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Return to Power · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast, along with my
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  Fellas, we're back. It's been a couple weeks,
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  Hiatus, as everyone feeling tonight, Feeling Good, Feeling
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  Good, Man. Sterling got a broke pinky, but
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  we Still Ballin over here we are.
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  I hear you man. You know, those those sports
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  injuries, especially those nagging one's kind of a pain in
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  the ass, man. Yeah, that face play slow you
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  down but at least it's something that he can kind of play through
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  in the short term, right? 100%.
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  Yeah, we made them a little A bit more aware to made it, love
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  it a little bit more. You know, you want to be lazy
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  sometimes and then you break a pinky and you have to miss a
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  game. And then you like, oh I can't
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  wait to get back in there and hit.
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  I can't wait to do something so, you know it made angle, so I'm
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  happy to happen. But if it happened at least it
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  was something that he's able to play through.
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  Make some love it a little bit more.
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  Absolutely here, man. We just we we finally are done
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  with baseball for the year. Oh, Donald baseball in time.
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  Pool Time. Pool time at the pool but
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  baseball ended Good. The oldest son's team won his
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  division championship and the your point he was kind of sad we
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  were driving home that night and he was like I'm kind of sad he's
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  like I'm going to go back and play with you guys anymore.
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  Yeah this year. Okay okay so other than that we
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  are yeah a lot of pool right now.
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  A lot of sunshine lot of playing outside until the Sun starts
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  said in here. I mean Give me one of them
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  pulls, man. Yes, if you get into a pool
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  shell, how you doing, man? That's not your usual background
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  right there. It is not, I am in a fancy
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  pantsy apartment here, in Salt Lake City, taking a week-long
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  vacation out here in Utah, with the little Airbnb.
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  So, I've been doing some hiking, some outdoor stuff and also just
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  experienced the talents, but it's been awesome.
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  It's been the trip of a lifetime really So that is all for they
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  say if a bear or something starts chasing, you supposed to
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  get big and make a lot of noise. So yes, Greg never never run
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  away from a bear. That tells a that your prey,
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  okay? Okay?
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  Post that motherfucker in the mouth, unless it's the cocaine,
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  but, and you're done now. You can, he's not, he's not in
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  Gatlinburg. I just saw the movie
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  in the college football game. We all went through, we got our
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  know, It's we've got stuff we wanted to talk about but before
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  we get to all that fun stuff and we definitely want you all to be
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  interact and we get to that, we got to talk Rudin because it's
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  been a little while since we discussed recruits and I first
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  want to start with the transfer portal because the day,
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  literally the day that we were talking to coach pry.
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  Antoine Ryland Powell who was in the portal from Florida,
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  transfers up to the Hokies originally Indian River High
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  School down in Portsmouth, he transfers with two years of
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  Eligibility left from the Florida Gators.
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  Something we had talked about about a month ago.
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  Defensive line was key, right? We had lost a younger player.
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  Tell him a pitch to you first. What do you think?
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  You think we upgraded it line with getting?
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  This is definitely definitely upgraded at the line.
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  But what I liked about Out that pickup was just circling the
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  wagons pretty much you know had a shot at the kid out of high
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  school for whatever reason. We don't land in this new staff
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  comes in, we go 3 and 8 which is not very good and this kids
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  coming from Florida and somebody on that staff said hey we got a
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  vision, they had some kind of connection with somebody that he
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  knows or him. Glenn we get in and we get him
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  to come home. Yeah, you know like that.
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  That is where that is where football has to go for us.
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  You know, you miss on recruit. You don't say screw you have a
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  nice life. No, it's still check on him.
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  Hey man I seen your first game. You got your first snap, keep
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  grinding and keep it moving. You know what I'm saying?
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  Like, that's what it has to be. That's what college football has
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  to be now because at any point, somebody can go, hey, I'm ready
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  to leave. I'm ready to transfer back home
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  closer to home. So I think that definitely great
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  job filling a spot of Need For Us.
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  Great job and he's going to come in and play, you know, so that's
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  awesome. Definitely going to come in and
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  play and that connection was going welfare.
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  Be Glenwood. The director of high school
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  relations for the Hokies was his coach down at Indian River.
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  So not only having him but I think again, it's the vision
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  because your point tally, three and eight grand, you know, three
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  and eight football teams don't shouldn't be getting guys.
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  Like pal who have had success. I mean, because we take a look
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  at his numbers here in sort of a part-time role last year.
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  Yet, you know, right at 30 tackles three sacks, three
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  forced fumbles. And that was a part-time role
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  and you know, he's 63 is about 245 pounds slightly undersized.
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  But Just just rushing to pass. Just kidding.
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  Yeah, yeah and you know like tally said definitely position
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  need that. We've talked about here, you
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  know, we were saying if we need to get a d and we need to get an
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  offensive lineman who we need to get somebody to play, DB whether
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  it be a safety or some sort of nickel Corner.
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  Hybrid type player went out. Got one took care of business
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  there and probably got the best one that we had a chance at
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  getting right into. Terms of the relationships that
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  we had there previously, you know, connections to Virginia,
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  obviously from Indian River. They're so kind of give the best
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  one on the board that you feel like you have a legitimate shot
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  at that. That's, that's good.
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  That's that you're closing in on the, on the realistic goals
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  there. So I think that's, that's a big
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  thing to do. And I mean, he's shown, he's a
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  player and limited roles. I'm hoping that he's going to
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  step into that in a larger role with the Hokies.
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  If he can come out there and You're still that starting job
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  in kind of solidify that other side of the defensive line and
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  that the DN position that's going to be big for us, because
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  that's, that's something that we need going into the season,
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  100%, 100%. So big get there.
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  And you know, one too many days ago, we got another one in some
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  other place, we talked about right offensive line this time.
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  And it's not a division, one transfer but it's effectively an
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  FCS got coming up and that's Clayton.
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  Frady who's Transferring up from Gardner.
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  Webb had been a three-year starter down there because he's
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  a covid guy. He has two more years of
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  Eligibility. Love play tackle there, I know,
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  Brian, I know you looked a little of his tape, where do you
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  foresee him? And you know, there's been some
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  discussion that he's not as good as certain current offensive
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  lineman, but if they went and got him, there's a reason
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  because if you feel good about who you're currently got, you're
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  not just going to go out and waste.
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  Actively a roster spot to me on depth.
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  Yeah you know looking at him I feel like there's there's some
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  potential there. I'm hoping he's a guy that can
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  slide in maybe two guard even though he's more of a more of a
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  tackle if he can slide inside to guard I think that would be a
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  better fit for him. I think that would with with the
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  Step Up in competition. I think he's athletic enough to
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  make that work and that would you know, get Get someone a
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  little more shuffling on the interior there, which is
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  probably where we're the most unsteady in terms of front-line.
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  I feel like we're pretty solid at the tackles in terms of the
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  Frontline, very sketchy on depth.
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  So we'll see how that works out. But you know, we look at
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  offensive line. We're talking about getting the
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  best five out there, that can work together as a unit.
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  So not necessarily the most talented five, but we're looking
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  for the That make us the best as a unit.
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  So it remains to be seen what that's going to look like by the
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  time you know, September rolls around.
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  Yeah. Definitely definitely has to go.
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  It not any elements. A tally.
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  What do you got? Just saying just you know
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  definitely always good to get somebody who's has had some
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  significant snaps so that helps, you know, coming in and being
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  able to fight for The spot. I don't know if he comes in and
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  starts, but I think that they want them to come in and start,
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  but even if he doesn't, somebody else steps their game up and
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  say, how I'm ready to fight like Coach Price said, on the, on the
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  last part. If you hadn't go, listen to it.
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  Go listen to it. Where you mean, you've been in
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  Utah, with with, with Sheldon, you need to go back and listen
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  to our last part, with Coach Brown, he said, hey I'm bringing
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  in people to take your spot, you know.
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  So as an offensive lineman, this this summer youth Hey, I'm not
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  letting somebody come in and take my spot.
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  So if he does come in as a as a, you know, a transfer and it's
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  able to give us some some snaps as a death play and I still do
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  it because you hate to say it but somebody's gonna get hurt.
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  You know, somebody's going to get the toes stepped on,
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  whatever the case may be, so we just need somebody's the five
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  best. Like you said, not that have to
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  be the most five, talented. But the five best it's going to
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  work the best together. And go get the job done.
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  So I like to pick up there for me.
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  Yeah, and I take a look at it too.
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  Is he played right tackle and he was all big style.
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  He got some, you know, some preseason All-American honors
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  but he played right tackle. I looked at that in that I think
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  we've all said about, we chaplains physicalness.
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  Little more big, more Parker. It's the right side, right.
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  If a guy's playing right? Taylor, Brian Point can slip in
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  and make that move for that. So again your portal Seasons
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  effectively over, you know, the only thing we kind of didn't hit
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  was a defensive back but I think again is that because we got
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  some guys who are pretty pretty well regarded coming in.
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  Actually take out that they're all there.
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  Now everybody finished enrollments.
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  Everybody's everybody's they're doing summer workouts we're
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  seeing social media hit that up so it'll be interesting.
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  Well thank you. I think the big thing with that
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  is that when we looked at the three positions that we said
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  we're in need, they were to where we needed for sure
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  Frontline. Or like first line depth.
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  Yep. Help you with those DD and
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  offensive line. We needed somebody.
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  We need an extra body there. We've got bodies in the DB
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  Arena. We just had probably a little
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  bit more unproven talent that I think we'd like, so if, if I had
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  to way where I was going to fill in, if you only had to take two
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  of the three, that's the to I would have been a hundred
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  percent because what, because with the defensive backs we
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  already feel, it was that we needed the fourth.
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  We needed that fourth Corner. They could do a little bit of
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  everything, so we'll see how it plays during the season.
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  I, let's flip over to the class of 2014.
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  Or and it looks like it might be turning into a really good one.
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  Currently 24/7 has us overall at the 24/7 level at 24 and
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  composite rank at 24. Y'all fixin seeking a cc6 in the
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  ACC. It's June, it's June.
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  We're going to discuss anything, but several June's ago, it won't
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  looking good but now it's looking much better and we have
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  had basically a six-pack of players recruit or commit over
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  the last few days and I want to start the one in this is this is
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  way back, you know, a few weeks ago actually write out a week
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  ago. June in June was Tommy.
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  Ricard A6 that for 265 interior offensive.
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  Lineman from Hudson, Ohio, a 87 by 24/7, top 30 player in the
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  state of Ohio top 60 interior offensive.
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  Lineman I'm going to pitch to Brian on this one.
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  Brian. What do you what do you think of
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  time? Because I know you probably
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  looked a little tape. Yeah I mean pretty solid recruit
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  over. 87 on 24/7 right there about the same level composite.
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  I mean looks good. Yeah.
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  Similar problems to a lot of offensive linemen coming out of
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  high school. You know, could use a little bit
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  better work with is with his hands and his feet, but I think
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  he's got a good motor and I think he's going to be a good
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  player for us. We'll see how he develops.
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  Offensive line is such a crap, shoot, a lot of times as far as
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  You know, how, what, what are the ceiling?
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  Where is, where is the Sealy you gets really hard to tell.
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  Where that ceiling is kind of coming out of high school, but I
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  think he's a solid guy that I think will grow into the
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  position and, and give us some some good overall action
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  long-term. We'll just see if he's going to
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  develop into a starting caliber player brother than NFL to that
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  helps. Is it really what's the
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  brother's name? Shit, I can't remember.
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  He plays for, he plays for The Ravens.
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  Thank you. The fullback he's actually
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  All-Pro is All-Pro fullback to? Yeah, Patrick I feel well yeah,
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  that he is a damn good fullback. So yeah, that's a good bloodline
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  right there. Yes, I was going to say.
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  So what? And a lot of times people say,
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  you know, that doesn't matter. You know, it's a coach's kid or
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  if it's some NFL bloodline of stuff like that.
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  What that helps is as a athlete you going to hit A wall, you
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  don't know when you're going to hit it, but you're going to hit
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  a wall. When you got somebody who's
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  already been through it. And then they went to the next
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  level, they can tell you. Okay, I know how to help you get
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  through this, so when he gets to college looks like he's 64 to
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  65. It gets there and he goes causes
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  brother up and goes. Hey, man, everybody's bigger
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  than me and faster than me, and he can go, boom.
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  This is what I think you can do. So it helps to have somebody
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  like that, just besides the skill that he has, So I like
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  that the most about him, like Brian said, I watched a little
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  film on him. I think that 87 range is about
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  Where we should be punching on most of our commits, if that's
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  our floor on our commits. I think we have some solid
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  classes, you know, every now and then somebody is going over.
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  Shoot their ranking or undershoot.
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  It but I think when we're going and we're evaluating and we
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  looking at people that 87 range is about what we need to be.
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  We need to stay out of the métis tools and 84s what we had, you
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  know, maybe a couple of years ago and things like that but
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  solid commitment. MIT.
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  Alrighty, so awesome. So I'm glad y'all like Tommy
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  Ricard again, I like the size again.
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  Tell you've been kind of preaching it the last ever since
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  you've been with us, not if they've got that size on the
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  offensive line, it makes it a lot easier.
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  Alright, another guy who has some size for his position and
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  committed is Quinn. Reddish down from Independence,
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  which Independence is a power down in the state of North
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  Carolina. He's 63, he's 185.
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  He's right. There's a three-story.
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  He 634 in the state of North Carolina.
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  What are y'all seeing on him? He's got the body.
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  Yes, he's got the build to be a safety Tally.
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  What do you think of them? It's again, when I'm looking at,
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  I looked at a little bit of film on the kid and I love the 63,
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  you know, I love the 63, almost 200 pounds being in high school.
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  And again, when we talk about rankings, it says right at 85,
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  something like that. He doesn't strike me.
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  From what I've seen as like most Phillips when I looked at his
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  face and I was like yeah he's shooting, he's shooting above
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  his ranking. Like he just looked different,
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  you know what I mean? And it was like he just can't
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  kind of came out of nowhere. Then we send them in the spring.
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  Game and I was like, okay that's what I thought.
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  So he's still in high school. I got to I got to see him for a
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  little bit and check up on him. Not saying he's not going to be
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  a good recruit, but I wasn't as excited about reddish as some
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  people were. But again I'm just the guy
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  behind the computer right now. So I will be watching them.
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  I'll be watching and I hope he does some big things.
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  He's got a year left in high school to turn it up.
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  Right. What do you think of them?
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  Yeah, I'm right there with Tally I feel like he's got a good
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  solid skill set that. He's bringing out the gate.
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  We'll see if he can. You punch above his weight
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  class? I haven't necessarily seen
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  anything that indicates that in the tape, kind of like tally
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  said, but your solid solid pick up and, you know, I think the
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  big thing we're going to talk about this a lot later.
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  But, you know, I think the development for Virginia Tech is
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  going to start leveling up a little bit.
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  So we'll see if he Grow into that position and make some
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  noise. All right, good deal.
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  Well, what's happened over the last two days, has kind of been
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  crazy and it, it started with someone.
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  We're going to bring on just a couple minutes here, but let's
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  talk about the other three that we brought on since then.
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  And it's first of all, let's take Andrew hinch up another
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  Cleveland, kid 65 to 60 on the defensive line.
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  Tally, Tally immediately got happy when he saw that, wait and
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  see. Sighs.
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  He's an 86, he's a top 40, Ohio kid, and just kind of looking at
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  it health, some interest, you know, from West Virginia and
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  some other schools down there in the Mac.
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  But you know, you had JC and Marvin him and all, would he
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  when he committed, everybody's like, offensive linemen
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  defensive lineman, this like that kid tag every defensive
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  coach on the right? Right, I think he's playing
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  defensive line and I don't know me.
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  It's been a whirlwind. That jobs, did anybody bring you
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  the chance to check a little bit of tape out?
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  I looked at a little bit of his tape.
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  Yeah. I mean, I think this is a
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  probably like a solid, good depth pick, right?
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  Out the gate, he's a big kid. You know, I'd say he plays a
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  little bit too high and out of his stance that that'd be my
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  biggest criticism at the gate. But, you know, we'll see what he
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  can do on the defensive side because that's a different ball
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  of wax. So he shows pretty good, pretty
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  good motor. So that's what you're going to
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  need them to do. Benson side of the ball so solid
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  pick up. You know, it's not blowing me
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  away but I think it's a very good solid pick up especially
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  from a big weekend that we had. Yeah, I think I don't know what
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  a lot of people. Some schools, you probably can
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  recruit a certain way, Virginia Tech.
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  I think it's a little bit different.
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  I've never understood people saying, we can take them in
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  December. We can take them in.
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  I feel like where we are and what we're doing.
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  If somebody's if we're interested and they want to come
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  let him come because you are you can always say hey this ain't
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  working out. We got somebody else.
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  Yeah you got to find some way to go but when you're scrambling at
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  the end of a recruiting class and trying to fill a spot is not
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  a good look and that just doesn't work out for us.
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  So I don't like the, we could have took him at another time.
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  So I didn't have a problem with him taking him especially when
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  you're building momentum like we're doing hey man.
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  You got some people, this disinterested in?
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  We're interested. Make it happen.
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  So. Yep.
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  Keep it, keep that train rolling.
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  We need it. We want to roll in all through
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  the summer because if I mean we're so used to come on now.
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  We Virginia Tech fans. We so used to some bad publicity
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  during the summer there. Any positive publicity we get,
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  we happy. So you know, I'm excited about
• 22:28
  that. 100% a 100% what a the ball, kept rolling and it kept
• 22:32
  rolling yesterday. Six foot seven.
• 22:36
  Lb 3 star in 87, rank a top 15 player in the state of New
• 22:40
  Jersey. New Jersey can put out some, uh,
• 22:42
  some dogs out there. Aidan Lynch from Mount Olive,
• 22:46
  High School in Flanders, New Jersey, you know, had quite a
• 22:52
  kind of quite a few, guys did get some interest from Georgia,
• 22:55
  Michigan State, Nebraska, Penn State.
• 22:57
  So, he had some eyes on him and he committed to the Hokies.
• 23:01
  Brian, I know you look at this too.
• 23:02
  As soon as Brian sees an offensive lineman commit it's
• 23:04
  like, Paul's what? I'm doing.
• 23:06
  Yeah, you to take, you got to check it out.
• 23:08
  He get into the size jumps off, right at the gate.
• 23:11
  You got good wingspan good-sized.
• 23:14
  You 67 to 75. That's the kind of size.
• 23:18
  You like coming out of high school, good player, good.
• 23:23
  I think he's a little bit more pop.
• 23:24
  Probably the most polished of the guys that we've talked about
• 23:27
  today, only from a technique standpoint.
• 23:30
  So I'm excited about him. Looking for exactly what I was
• 23:33
  doing it. Right.
• 23:34
  Exactly what I was going to say Brian because I Check that out a
• 23:36
  little bit and the problem that you run into with lime and like,
• 23:40
  that just so big 67 and they play high and it's although all
• 23:47
  straight. Yeah.
• 23:49
  But but when he, I mean being 67, he has some pretty like burn
• 23:53
  said, he's pretty polished with his technique, you know, and
• 23:56
  saying to be able to use those arms.
• 23:58
  Those long arms and actually have the technique and not play
• 24:01
  so high. So I was excited to see.
• 24:04
  I was excited to see that. That pickup.
• 24:06
  I think that's a good pick up and I think again, that's where
• 24:09
  that's our sweet spot. That's what we shoot.
• 24:11
  So we shoot what? Well, let's talk about the last
• 24:14
  guy didn't because we shot a little higher for him.
• 24:16
  And you know what, somebody's going to join us in, just a
• 24:18
  couple minutes. Told us, it's one more on the
• 24:20
  way. It's one more on the way and he
• 24:22
  won't lying. That's Marcellus Barnes jr.
• 24:25
  And I'm a Cali school down in Chattanooga.
• 24:27
  Tennessee. A composite for Star.
• 24:30
  He is right at the 300 national rank.
• 24:33
  He is a top 10 player. In the state of Tennessee.
• 24:36
  Now they're ranking him as a corner and a top-25 one at that.
• 24:40
  And I mean you kind of look at his offer list, you know, you
• 24:43
  got Florida, stay you got Baylor, you got George.
• 24:45
  You got a ton of school showing interest in this kid and tally.
• 24:49
  Would you think I'm because that's kind of down your way
• 24:51
  near Chattanooga. Yeah.
• 24:52
  Well, so, yeah. So that's a, that's cool.
• 24:55
  Did he goes to all boys school? So I know he's got a lot of
• 25:00
  testosterone built up, you know? And I know women on that campus
• 25:04
  here in the beginning, See, someone getting to see some
• 25:06
  women but anyway we'll get out of it, get out as far as a
• 25:10
  recruit goes watching this tape, he's 62, you know, again you
• 25:15
  looking at sighs coming from the safety or Corner position and
• 25:20
  he's coming downhill, and he's making tackles.
• 25:22
  I seen him. I think somebody posted on
• 25:24
  Twitter him, setting the edge. If you can get a corner in high
• 25:28
  school to set a hedge, or a safety to set the edge and turn
• 25:32
  the playback inside, but also make the play.
• 25:34
  Yeah, like you free. You're badass.
• 25:36
  So he brought a party over there.
• 25:39
  I didn't know much about him. I'm on, I ain't gonna lie to you
• 25:42
  because I didn't think we had. I mean I've seen him before but
• 25:45
  I didn't think we had much of a shot but you know like you said,
• 25:49
  somebody we got coming on, might have played a part in that so we
• 25:52
  start turning some heads man and shit.
• 25:55
  Let's go. Let's get it.
• 25:57
  But that's cool. Did he goes to his a good school
• 25:59
  to get in? Because that's one of the big
• 26:01
  schools in Chattanooga. That's about hour and a half
• 26:04
  away from me, okay? That's a, that's a big school in
• 26:07
  that I want to stop our house, but they close to.
• 26:10
  So they can they putting out guys?
• 26:12
  Yeah, it's a good. It's a good school or something.
• 26:14
  It's a good school. That's when you start seeing it
• 26:16
  Brian. Did you get any quick looked at
• 26:18
  him? May the big thing that stands
• 26:19
  out to me is just length and size, man.
• 26:22
  You get a corner that can play with some leverage like that.
• 26:24
  That's big so big pickup for me. I mean that's one of those guys
• 26:29
  that, you know, you kind of get one of those from a Virginia
• 26:33
  Tech perspective. One of those every three or four
• 26:35
  classes So I mean I think that's a solid pick up 100%.
• 26:39
  Well I've been teasing it about the last three or four minutes
• 26:42
  here while talking about it. But let's just be straight up
• 26:45
  all of this got kicked off by one individual announcing his
• 26:49
  commitment just few days ago, he's a 64 linebacker.
• 26:53
  He's 195 pounds per 247. He'll tell us is actually when
• 26:57
  he gets on here, maybe from st. Vincent Pilate High School in
• 27:00
  Laurel Maryland. A four-star, both 24/7 in
• 27:05
  composite a top 24/7, a top 220 player in the country.
• 27:10
  One of the best players in Maryland.
• 27:12
  On three says he is the best player in Maryland.
• 27:14
  I agree with them surprise, guest appearance.
• 27:18
  Joining us tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Gabe Williams.
• 27:23
  Gabe. How are you tonight, man?
• 27:25
  I'm good. How y'all doing?
• 27:27
  We are doing Jay. Thank you for take for you for
• 27:31
  messaging, Brian there. And tell us you want to hop on
• 27:33
  for a few minutes now, because I've been busy, man.
• 27:59
  You could have went anywhere, you want to First what really
• 28:03
  caught my eyes coach Brooks. So coach Brooks from Marilyn.
• 28:07
  He was actually my first offer. So you always had that close
• 28:10
  relationship and, you know, he's a family friend and stuff like
• 28:13
  that. So when he told me he was making
• 28:15
  a move to Virginia, Tech automatically made my list, you
• 28:19
  know, so I went up there for spring practice I'm like, hold
• 28:21
  on, I actually like it, you know.
• 28:23
  And now coach Marvin coach Clinic coach pry a, you know,
• 28:27
  them just having a vision for me, being the face of the
• 28:29
  defense and, you know, just doing everything in a defense
• 28:32
  that really caught my eye. So I knew it was a place for me.
• 28:34
  I just came back on the official to make sure so.
• 28:38
  Yeah, and the people there, the environment and the opportunity
• 28:42
  to come in and make an early impact.
• 28:43
  That's really what caught my game, right?
• 28:46
  I don't know how many fan base that you've interacted with,
• 28:49
  but, okay, a Virginia Tech man. We, we pay attention.
• 28:52
  We be Darlin it. So when I seen, you get ready to
• 28:55
  go on your official, I said this motherfucker got a van, a party
• 29:00
  bus. Oh yeah, he bought the
• 29:02
  committee. I knew sorry, but that was
• 29:08
  pretty cool, man. Like again seeing stuff like
• 29:11
  that from commits like you because a high-profile guy, like
• 29:13
  yourself man to take your time and do stuff like that to
• 29:18
  interact with fan base to put just, you know, a minute video
• 29:21
  out, that's big the fans. And so we appreciate that and
• 29:25
  thank y'all, man. So when you going to be on the
• 29:29
  recruiting trip, they talk about whether you go on kind of slide
• 29:32
  in saying we'll kind of little bit everything what's those
• 29:37
  discussions been? Like so basically it's really so
• 29:40
  right now they want me to play the Star position but they said
• 29:43
  I could play boundary safety the like in the world depend on how
• 29:45
  much weight I put on it. It's something I can pretty much
• 29:48
  play everywhere and that's really what I told you caught my
• 29:50
  eyes. So really in the star does
• 29:53
  everything he blitzes, he covers place in that and that's pretty
• 29:55
  much where I show on my highlight.
• 29:57
  Tape and stuff like that. So it's just like the picture.
• 30:00
  When you talk about covered I think I heard you talking on, on
• 30:04
  the foil podcast you said that you play cornering.
• 30:08
  You just hit a growth spurt, right?
• 30:10
  Yeah. I was playing safety training
• 30:12
  with you and then I just caught a growth spurt so they moved up
• 30:15
  closer to the line. But, you know, so my sophomore
• 30:18
  year in high school they ever had, like a big receiver or, you
• 30:21
  know, unguardable dude, that's like me out there.
• 30:23
  So nice. I still got that in my
• 30:25
  background stuff like that. Yes, sir.
• 30:28
  Well, we definitely need that. We got PTSD or six.
• 30:31
  Get some, our linebackers getting caught on a slot
• 30:35
  receiver and you put on skates. So help me.
• 30:40
  I will definitely definitely keeping up with you.
• 30:42
  It's big to hear that. That's that's part of your skill
• 30:44
  set as well. Yeah.
• 30:45
  And I want to ask how big that plays into it because obviously
• 30:48
  we all seem like a Parsons that is a, that is a that's right
• 30:53
  from that's coach prize guy, right?
• 30:54
  We saw him coaching from the beginning to basically, A top-15
• 30:58
  linebacker pick, you don't see linebackers going the top 15
• 31:01
  anymore. You just don't, but what he did
• 31:03
  with Micah it was that versatility when someone when
• 31:06
  you see that and you see Brent Prime Chris Marv, they know how
• 31:10
  to use these pieces. They know my skill set.
• 31:13
  Like you said, you're going to put you out of star.
• 31:16
  We got to talk to Keyon to Jenkins last year.
• 31:18
  Who's playing that position currently?
• 31:21
  And, you know, concert came from a safety position.
• 31:23
  But when you have someone who has that sort of Degree of
• 31:27
  building those players and not just all, he's a great
• 31:30
  linebacker. Mike Parsons can do everything.
• 31:32
  And man, I hear you saying you play Corner.
• 31:35
  You're playing safety. You're playing linebacker in
• 31:37
  high school, this year. How's it feel to go to a coach
• 31:39
  that, you know, has developed one of the best in the NFL that
• 31:42
  done. That, it's definitely a plays, a
• 31:45
  big part because like, you don't want to go like me, I have a lot
• 31:49
  of big offers, but when they try to tell you your this or this,
• 31:52
  you know, I'm saying, I want to go somewhere that please me
• 31:55
  everywhere. I shows all my versatile because
• 31:56
  I feel like Some separation. That's probably why I'm working
• 31:58
  so hard because I could do everything, you know I'm saying.
• 32:01
  So why would I go to a college that's going to turn me into an
• 32:03
  edge rusher? When I know I could do Ed brush
• 32:05
  and cover. You know I'm saying?
• 32:06
  Right there and also that played a big part because join the ACC
• 32:10
  like I knew a lot of people don't believe it but the ACC has
• 32:13
  the best athletes, you know? And also I don't have to be 230,
• 32:16
  you know, saying taking on the huge power 5, lineman, like they
• 32:19
  got an Iowa Wisconsin. You know I'm saying so it was
• 32:22
  just a, I was just thinking, you know, You don't listen.
• 32:29
  It was smart, man. I'm telling you, the best stuff
• 32:49
  you do. We're going to put you in the
• 32:50
  best position to do it. And I love that, man, because we
• 32:53
  got a chance to weeks ago to sit down with Coach Brown right
• 32:56
  here. But can he some he coached by a
• 33:01
  great? You coach?
• 33:01
  Ba Coach? Quin coach, Marv, coach Pride,
• 33:04
  GoDaddy be like not of people. Most people could it be because
• 33:07
  UDP was a dog. You know, he wasn't.
• 33:09
  Oh yeah, he was dog. Yes, he was man and already 68.
• 33:15
  I'm already plugged in with the other line backers, like trick
• 33:18
  for me Edmonds. You know, I'm saying, so it's
• 33:20
  just just the connection that already have with the guys in
• 33:23
  the people who already walked through this program, you know?
• 33:25
  And they believe in Maybe so it's really just to believe, you
• 33:28
  know. So that's really what got me
• 33:30
  going. Trying to get this 24 class
• 33:31
  together cuz I'm like like you know the opportunities here
• 33:35
  y'all just got to come take it, you know?
• 33:37
  Yeah. And I mean you really hit the
• 33:39
  ground running man. I really appreciate that.
• 33:41
  I mean, the engagement that you've been able to generate a
• 33:44
  wide over the last two or three days has been amazing.
• 33:47
  And I'm glad the Hokie nation is kind of, you know, rode that
• 33:50
  wave with you. So that's been good.
• 33:52
  I think for everybody, that's the way.
• 33:54
  I feel like that The reason why it was hard for Maryland stuff
• 33:58
  to recruit me because it didn't have the fanbase, you know?
• 34:01
  So if you go somewhere with the fan base and makes it easier to
• 34:03
  recruit, see I'm making my job easier you know, I just tell the
• 34:06
  guys, like we got a we got a fan base that believes in us, you
• 34:09
  know, they didn't have the past years that they wanted but
• 34:11
  they're still here and they're still trying to support the
• 34:13
  guys, you know, and then I get them on the phone called pride
• 34:16
  and all them and then you know y'all do y'all work?
• 34:19
  And then boom. We got another commitment.
• 34:21
  Is how it works. I'm telling you.
• 34:22
  It's the philosophy that be manually.
• 34:25
  Harriet your head is your age man.
• 34:27
  Like well you you got a long football career to play but you
• 34:31
  already talking like a I'm a Salesman but that's what I do.
• 34:35
  Should you talking like a Salesman?
• 34:36
  I'm ready, man. It's just the way I was
• 34:39
  recruited. So I know which recruitment
• 34:40
  works and which does yeah. So yeah, I think I see people
• 34:44
  already trying to copy. How you doing it though.
• 34:46
  Hey. I'm just saying it but I see
• 34:52
  some people trying to use your tactics already and trying to
• 34:56
  use the tactics. But
• 35:14
  what you did last night, you said the Dogs Out.
• 35:50
  Trying to get that done right now, man, I'm trying to be good
• 35:52
  parents and in January where we can night then we need that.
• 35:59
  Yeah, get a jump out there, get out there and spring see what
• 36:02
  you can do against the upperclassmen and I'm going to
• 36:05
  show you ready to turn up and fall on the show y'all what I
• 36:08
  can do. And yeah hope the nation
• 36:10
  everybody who been engaging with Gabe man.
• 36:12
  Y'all better be on his feet. Checking out his games.
• 36:16
  You know what I'm saying? When he's posting stuff, I need
• 36:18
  y'all to get on it, man. Y'all got to keep Yes, it is.
• 36:22
  And that's what we do. We got some Hokies and we got
• 36:25
  some tell you. I wish I could tell you
• 36:27
  everything. I know I'm in trouble.
• 36:30
  We don't get in trouble if we don't get in trouble right now.
• 36:38
  We're patient. We're patient.
• 36:39
  We can wait the thing is I'm not.
• 36:50
  All right. Y'all heard it here first.
• 36:52
  It's definitely going to bump us up to 1024 right now, this team.
• 37:00
  All right, we'll listen Gabe, I don't want to get you in
• 37:03
  trouble. I'm not now, I appreciate
• 37:05
  lizard. We appreciate you joining us,
• 37:07
  man. So we got a bunch of stuff.
• 37:11
  We hope you listen to rest of the night because what we're
• 37:13
  talking about and this is the one piece like this.
• 37:15
  This is one of the pieces were going to talk about tonight.
• 37:17
  Y'all, how do we return to the power with Virginia Tech?
• 37:20
  Was gave. You got three guys up here.
• 37:23
  I turned 40 in a couple months. Brian's 39 tally, 38.
• 37:27
  We grew up, man. I saw a DB play, we saw X play
• 37:31
  on the field at man was nasty. We saw JG.
• 37:36
  We saw Winslow play on the field, we saw Pearson play on
• 37:38
  the field. We saw all those coaches who are
• 37:40
  Hokies play, that are going to be coaching, you that played on
• 37:43
  that field and I hear the passion in your voice and I hear
• 37:47
  the things you're trying to do, you're trying to bring the best
• 37:49
  players. It's just a recruit and as a
• 37:52
  commit right now in, I just, I want to say it.
• 37:56
  Like, we talking about tonight returning to power, and I think
• 38:00
  I'm later like, you and that mentality, that's how we're
• 38:03
  going to get back to where we were and then we will have like
• 38:06
  five of me, man, it's good. We go baby,
• 38:18
  you know? So it's going to be Yeah, I do
• 38:22
  understand but this division start cooking the popcorn right
• 38:26
  now. Yeah.
• 38:52
  Come on baby. There we go.
• 38:53
  Well, being equipped playing around.
• 38:54
  Let's go bullshit. We appreciate you taking a
• 39:00
  little bit of your time tonight. 60.
• 39:08
  Supposed to be 20 25. Yes,
• 39:20
  have a good evening. We'll continue to chat with you.
• 39:23
  Oh man. Now you got a, you got a dog up
• 39:25
  here, talking with the white beard.
• 39:29
  That's the original. He's the white.
• 39:36
  He is, he's my second cousin. Yeah, that's the old.
• 39:42
  He started the vics coming, he started the vics coming to
• 39:45
  Virginia Tech. There you go.
• 39:48
  He's real active on Twitter so game, if you don't follow him
• 39:50
  yet, Yet, if you haven't had, he does and he has a lot of
• 39:53
  podcasts and things like that. Actually him in Mike have a
• 39:55
  podcast together. Yep.
• 39:56
  So if you haven't started following the white man, give
• 39:58
  him a follow when you get opportunities and great follow
• 40:02
  one thing I can say, do. The recruitment is hard.
• 40:06
  Yeah, it's a lot of work, but it, but it takes what you got.
• 40:14
  Do it, takes passion, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:15
  And I think that's what the coaches when I talk a lot about
• 40:19
  them, but I think that's what the coaches lacked that we had.
• 40:22
  So, it's great that we got prying the guys in Mars, which
• 40:25
  I've known mark for a long time. I my first cousin is a high
• 40:29
  school Coach and he's interacting with Marvel lot.
• 40:33
  When Marvels. Marvin to Vanderbilt and then he
• 40:36
  was at Florida State. So, my cousin and I acted with
• 40:39
  him a lot, man, and agencies passion, man, and being real
• 40:43
  with people being real with people man.
• 40:45
  So that's really what caught my eye.
• 40:48
  I'm saying they don't when I went it in this Pat me on the
• 40:51
  ass you know I'm saying it just you know they told me what I
• 40:54
  needed to work on and stuff like that so that's really what
• 40:57
  caught my attention to like the realness, you know that was like
• 41:00
  you're good at this but you like this, you know, some sand.
• 41:03
  So we've been working. Going on stuff like that, you
• 41:05
  know, and we've got to start his own calls during the week and
• 41:08
  stuff like that, so I can get to learn the defense and stuff like
• 41:10
  that. So it's like I'm already ready.
• 41:13
  So it's telling you about to get crazy.
• 41:18
  What, man, we appreciate your passion, we appreciate what
• 41:21
  you're doing for us and we look forward to watching you all.
• 41:23
  All your your singing you on to getting into Virginia Tech.
• 41:27
  So have a good night, man. We appreciate you.
• 41:30
  Thank y'all. Go Hokies.
• 41:34
  That was awesome. Well I love a good impromptu
• 41:38
  interview impromptu is heck I mean Shelton by the way Shelton
• 41:43
  we're going to now let you comment because Shelton has been
• 41:46
  completely off Twitter. So he him hearing us name.
• 41:51
  Everybody who's been committing is the first time he's heard it
• 41:54
  and just tell us what you think a gay man, because like he's a
• 41:58
  top ranked kid, you know, when you hear a kid come on like that
• 42:02
  and you In that. What's that tell you about it?
• 42:05
  Dude, it's great to see. I mean, from what I can tell
• 42:07
  already, he's just smart mature mature, young kid mature Beyond
• 42:13
  his years, and getting a guy that especially in the DMV.
• 42:17
  I think, I think Brian and I were talking earlier, texted me
• 42:20
  earlier about how important the DMV isn't trying to lock that
• 42:22
  area down because there's a lot of talent and that in that area.
• 42:26
  So that's it. That's a big-time pickup.
• 42:28
  Definitely. Shout out to shout outs.
• 42:31
  A lot of brought to me. Yeah, great Great pickup by my
• 42:35
  coach pry, great pickup definitely made a difference is
• 42:39
  you don't know, you know I know I know we had we talked about a
• 42:42
  little bit already but we're going to look back at some of
• 42:44
  these, this offseason moves and on the coaching staff and say we
• 42:48
  had a little bit of a addition by subtraction there.
• 42:51
  I thought, I feel like saying, great, great pickup by Brooks
• 42:54
  100%. We 45 in and we ain't got you
• 42:58
  two main topics. Get you get you get, you get
• 43:01
  your long gear on because we gonna be going away.
• 43:03
  While because that was awesome. I love having like you said,
• 43:06
  they're Shelton Kiss 16 year old, he very mature talking,
• 43:10
  very sure discussions about, you know, what, I loved what he
• 43:13
  said, right at the end there, Tyler for you for you, let him
• 43:16
  off. They know what I'm good at but
• 43:19
  they know what, I'm not gonna want me to be better at what?
• 43:22
  I'm not and they're telling me that now when you're actually
• 43:26
  trying to win me, not not, not once I'm on campus and they're
• 43:30
  trying to win games with me, they're telling me now when
• 43:32
  they're still trying to Get me to commit here.
• 43:35
  That I think that's big that speaks, you know, to what we
• 43:37
  talked about, when we had prion, a couple weeks back about the,
• 43:40
  the realness. I mean, he's, he's real tell
• 43:42
  he's gonna tell you what it is. I mean, he's, he might tell it
• 43:47
  to you in a way that, you know, that make you feel bad about it,
• 43:50
  but he's gonna be real with you gonna be real with you, all
• 43:53
  right? And I said it while he was
• 43:55
  talking with, and I went a little bit hardcore because I've
• 43:58
  said, 40 39, 38, I know you ain't 39 yet run.
• 44:01
  I ain't 40 yet. Tally.
• 44:03
  I know you ain't 838 quite yet, right shell, around it up.
• 44:06
  It's okay. Round it up.
• 44:08
  We've been talking about. How do we get return to power?
• 44:11
  How do we get to back to where we were?
• 44:13
  When we were young, you were a baby and we were in our 20s
• 44:16
  doing all sorts of crazy stuff. How do we get back there?
• 44:19
  And we were going to start off tonight.
• 44:21
  We're going to talk about conference realignment because
• 44:23
  it's been a Hot Topic and it is something when you're returning
• 44:25
  to power, it's got to be looked at.
• 44:27
  And I want to start first when it came out just a couple weeks
• 44:30
  ago back to Magnificent Seven. It's Clem.
• 44:34
  FSU Miami U NC NC State and UVA all kind of getting together
• 44:37
  chatting about each other, Brian.
• 44:40
  What did that tell you? When that popped out that there
• 44:42
  was they, a group of teams effectively, kind of chat about
• 44:46
  each other? Like, you know, how long can we
• 44:48
  actually deal with this shit? I mean, I think it speaks to the
• 44:52
  unrest with the current payouts that the ACCC has for their
• 44:59
  bigger programs, especially the programs that are drawing eyes.
• 45:03
  To the television, right? So these are programs that Have
• 45:09
  enough Cloud even in Bad seasons, that they're going to
• 45:12
  put up good ratings. Consistently even against, you
• 45:15
  know, bad opponents even when the team itself is like us last
• 45:20
  year a 3 and 18 and you know you look at Virginia Tech, obviously
• 45:25
  you got Clemson. We know how good they've been
• 45:31
  you know you look at at FSU, they're back on the rise, they
• 45:34
  have such a consistent fan base, you know, Miami.
• 45:39
  Through. They are, you got you NC NC
• 45:42
  State, very passionate fan base, very much land, grant University
• 45:47
  just like Virginia Tech. So I mean NC State's probably as
• 45:50
  close to a sister School in the ACC as we can get.
• 45:54
  And then you got UVA, which is more of the truly Olympic sport
• 46:00
  dominance. I mean, so when you kind of look
• 46:03
  at all those together, I mean it makes sense.
• 46:04
  That that is kind of the group that was looking to make some
• 46:08
  moves. If I understand the, I can
• 46:12
  understand their frustration with the current state of the
• 46:14
  media payout, right? It's when you compare it to like
• 46:19
  universities in the Big Ten and the SEC, it's just ridiculous.
• 46:23
  It is ridicu, Sheldon, tell anything to add on top of that,
• 46:26
  there are many motherfuckers, just tired of playing on the
• 46:28
  cooking network at 11:00 and I don't matter.
• 46:32
  If we only won three games, you know what I'm saying, we'll put
• 46:35
  up a graphic later on, it's other teams has been winning
• 46:38
  three games and they playing at at times and playing on, you
• 46:42
  know, Plan on networks, this much better than some of the
• 46:46
  stuff that we've had to do and you got to find a stream and
• 46:49
  stuff. Like, when you have a fan base,
• 46:51
  just as passionate as I was like, you got to give them a
• 46:54
  product, you know what I mean? As far as on the field but also
• 46:58
  even we just missed the ball on a lot of stuff lately.
• 47:01
  So yeah. What Brian is saying like the
• 47:08
  The schools that have been The Magnificent Seven, looking to
• 47:11
  make a move. I definitely understand why can
• 47:14
  you get anything on this? Yeah, I mean, nothing like super
• 47:18
  insightful. I just think it's kind of crazy
• 47:20
  that like, over the next ten or so, years, whenever the contract
• 47:23
  expire, Vanderbilt's gonna be making forty million dollars a
• 47:27
  year more than Eva Tsui and Clemson.
• 47:29
  So I don't know, right to what degree to what degree can never
• 47:32
  assume Clemson actually tolerate that I don't know, but they're
• 47:35
  not to lower their ass out of that Geor is, it's Damned.
• 47:38
  That's bleep and I'm gonna definitely ask that.
• 47:40
  The only reason that the one thing that I will say about
• 47:43
  these seven schools about this happening, is people can say, oh
• 47:47
  no, there's been no contact, there's been no communication
• 47:49
  between bullshit. If they're coming up and they're
• 47:53
  talking to each other, there has been communication from other
• 47:55
  conferences. I would bet my ass on that
• 47:59
  because there ain't no need to talk about it.
• 48:00
  Unless there's potentially some where to go now.
• 48:04
  I'm going to flip to you on this Shelton.
• 48:07
  Is it just basically covering a gunshot wound with a Band-Aid
• 48:11
  with the acc's? You pay structure trying to pay
• 48:14
  the better? You do the more you get?
• 48:16
  Yeah, from the research. I've seen it's a very, very
• 48:19
  small impact. Like, I don't know what the
• 48:20
  exact numbers are, but that's, that's like chump change.
• 48:23
  It's not going to change much like you have to change the
• 48:25
  actual structure of the television contract.
• 48:28
  Yeah, I'm with you on that. Y'all boys.
• 48:30
  Got anything on that? I mean, great.
• 48:31
  You get I get all of my bowl money.
• 48:34
  Great! Wonderful birthday.
• 48:37
  Don't add 18 million Bond. And here's the thing though, and
• 48:50
  eventually this is probably what could kill the ACC.
• 48:54
  It can't be broken right now. Although there are MERS about a
• 48:58
  part of it, they could be broken in a couple years.
• 49:01
  Somebody's got to show the new Grand race for that can be seen,
• 49:05
  but it only takes 8 to dissolve the league.
• 49:07
  It only takes eight. There's clearly seven that a
• 49:11
  happy about where they are. You found an eight that has a
• 49:14
  partner with a lot more money. They can bring him to that
• 49:16
  program. Do y'all think that will happen
• 49:20
  before we see anything? Do you think the grant of rights
• 49:22
  be dissolved? Whoever wants to lead this?
• 49:27
  Sally, I'll let you roll first on this one.
• 49:30
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 49:31
  Shit. I was waiting to see what you
• 49:32
  had to say. I'm just, I'm kind of surprised.
• 49:35
  I'm kind of surprised, kid move outward in there.
• 49:38
  At least one of them. Yeah, I can see, Louisville more
• 49:41
  than Pit to be honest. Because I feel like they have
• 49:45
  some of the more elements that are both attractive to the Big
• 49:48
  Ten and to the SEC in terms of you know, probably the Big Ten a
• 49:55
  little bit more because they're getting an additional Market
• 49:57
  that they don't have right now. Yeah, although Penn State's got
• 50:01
  a big hole in Pennsylvania. So I think what's going on.
• 50:05
  This is my opinion, my opinion on.
• 50:07
  I think the 18 going to go to the big 12 and I think what
• 50:10
  they're going to look at. It's like Louisville to pit.
• 50:13
  Good good. Good call on those two Sheldon
• 50:16
  for the Big 12. It's well, it's a different
• 50:18
  Market. We pick up someone closer, you
• 50:21
  kind of have that Cincinnati West Virginia.
• 50:23
  You've got that little Rust Belt feel to it and they're going to
• 50:27
  look back and say, okay, we can't get Here and here because
• 50:30
  whatever but can we is it okay to make 15 or 20 million more
• 50:36
  year? Not 30 to 45 million more year?
• 50:39
  And I've been really think that's what's going to happen.
• 50:41
  There's going to be someone in there that just says, you know
• 50:43
  what, fuck this goddamn 30 million dollars a year.
• 50:47
  The Big 12 can give us 55. I wish we could get 85.
• 50:50
  But you know what? We want to stay relevant.
• 50:53
  We got to do that. That's my opinion.
• 50:58
  And I think that's a visually. What's going to kill the ACC
• 51:00
  unless they can renew renegotiate, the contract?
• 51:03
  Because the honest truth is and I'll say this dead pain.
• 51:07
  Should the ACC be making as much money as the SEC of the Big Ten
• 51:10
  though? They don't pull the ratings.
• 51:12
  Should they be making as much less that they are right now?
• 51:15
  No, I think it's closer than people think, but that is what
• 51:18
  it is. Well, at least he's at least
• 51:20
  these to be higher than what the big clubs making right now,
• 51:23
  which is it's not it's not That's the bullshit part of it.
• 51:27
  And it's not even going to be once, you know, Texas and
• 51:29
  Oklahoma, take a fucking hike. So they took a dip.
• 51:33
  It took a dip. Yeah, they basically
• 51:35
  renegotiated at basically, but it's still going to be a movie
• 51:39
  ACC even at the radiation level. I almost start with you on this
• 51:44
  show. What's your preference?
• 51:47
  The Big Ten or the SEC, definitely a sec, okay?
• 51:52
  I would rather, I would rather lose to LG by 40, just That was
• 51:55
  you by 40 football game. I don't care.
• 52:00
  I don't know. No, thank you.
• 52:26
  No, thank you with everything you need.
• 52:27
  You just say it was good for you, man, for me.
• 52:31
  Because if we go to the SEC I live in the middle of a sec
• 52:34
  country, I don't want to get fucked up by Alabama Auburn,
• 52:37
  text it Tennessee, every week. No, I'm good on that, but I do
• 52:44
  understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, we can get more
• 52:48
  money. We got two options, we can get
• 52:50
  more money with both options. I'd like to take the little bit
• 52:54
  of power. If of least resistance, I want
• 52:57
  to win a little bit more games like I'm 37, man.
• 53:00
  I'm not trying to get beat by 40.
• 53:02
  You younger than me, shit, I want to win.
• 53:10
  Now that's just me. I can understand what shall we
• 53:17
  get? Yeah, I mean I'm kind of with
• 53:21
  Talia a little bit. I think the Big Ten is a Good
• 53:25
  fit probably from an entire athletic department standpoint.
• 53:30
  You know when you think about wrestling and things like that,
• 53:33
  I think if you're just looking at the football side of it, the
• 53:35
  SEC is a better fit but at the same time when I when I compare
• 53:41
  the two travel overall is going to be about the same.
• 53:44
  So that's to me, not not much of a factor, you know, some people
• 53:48
  are we'll talk. Whether that's may be affecting
• 53:50
  three games a year. I mean, it's cold as shit in
• 53:53
  Blacksburg and in October late, October, and early November
• 53:57
  anyway, so that's not, that's not a big deal to me.
• 54:00
  So it really comes down to if we go to the Big 10, you know, if
• 54:04
  we take some steps we could potentially be.
• 54:08
  You know that fifth or sixth maybe seventh best program in
• 54:12
  the conference at some point in the near future I don't know we
• 54:16
  quit. I don't know if we in the near
• 54:18
  future. Are the sixth or seventh best
• 54:21
  team in the Sec in the next two to three years.
• 54:26
  If you're looking to be competitive in the, in the
• 54:28
  conference and also still reaping, the financial benefits,
• 54:33
  the Big Ten is the answer. NC as cool as Shelton.
• 54:39
  You you made it. You made it like seeing LSU
• 54:44
  Planet Alabama, having them come see, that's the funny part.
• 54:48
  We're old 20 years ago, we saw LSU and Texas A&M, come on shit
• 54:55
  but it's more of what this I don't know who this is.
• 54:58
  I wish they had their names because effectively I think with
• 55:01
  the Big Ten if to me I'm looking at it as a as a whole Whole,
• 55:06
  Wisconsin and Iowa. They always do what they do out
• 55:09
  in the west Nebraska has to prove.
• 55:10
  He can get back. There's three main ones and I
• 55:15
  look in the whole realm of it and it's like if tech gets back
• 55:19
  where it was just a decade ago, just at the end of the 2000s or
• 55:24
  the late 2000s and early 2010's, it can be the fourth or third
• 55:29
  best in that conference. Yeah.
• 55:31
  And and then also, it's the travel piece of you.
• 55:36
  Maryland Rutgers Ohio State Indiana there five, six hour
• 55:40
  drives, Brian you made the point.
• 55:42
  It's not an overall, it's not going to be anything, but I feel
• 55:45
  like the big Ten's a better fit, I also.
• 55:48
  And this is the way I feel. I think the Big Ten Wolf's that
• 55:51
  DC Northern Virginia Market. I think they feel, if they look
• 55:55
  at us, they're saying we're not only getting that market.
• 55:57
  We're going to get the Charlotte Market to.
• 55:59
  We're going to get this big Market where they can pull two
• 56:02
  to two and a half, three and a half, four, and a half million
• 56:04
  on a normal game day. Day for TV and that's where it
• 56:07
  goes and they might get some of that Triad to.
• 56:10
  That's true tried. All right last piece I'll let
• 56:14
  y'all go just real quick and I'll name mine first.
• 56:17
  I think yes we can return to power outside of the Big Tooth
• 56:21
  because I think the way it's going to be set up.
• 56:23
  Is there still going to give crumbs to lower tier
• 56:27
  conferences? What about y'all?
• 56:32
  I think there's a chance because I think with the, with the
• 56:34
  college football, playoff coming in, there's still going to be
• 56:36
  some room for people to eat. So if you're, if you're the big
• 56:40
  dog at the, you know, whatever the number three is just below
• 56:46
  the big to your in at least be in the conversation.
• 56:49
  People are going to be talking about you so there's still some
• 56:51
  potential there. It will be kind of a big East
• 56:56
  type situation where you won't get respected until you go out
• 56:58
  there and kick somebody in the teeth, right?
• 57:02
  But I think you can still get there.
• 57:04
  Yeah, take it. Back my heart.
• 57:06
  You have some say, piggyback on kind of what Brian saying it's
• 57:11
  going to be harder. But I think there's opportunity
• 57:13
  and again, you just can't, what would you take?
• 57:16
  Has as far as the fan base and the venue is just if you need to
• 57:21
  its own. So it's going to keep attracting
• 57:25
  people, no matter what, no matter what conference so,
• 57:29
  Opportunity. But a lot Slimmer.
• 57:33
  Yep. Significantly lower margin for
• 57:37
  error. You're essentially talking
• 57:39
  about, you got to be undefeated or one loss.
• 57:42
  If you want to be relevant it looks like the big to you're
• 57:46
  looking like Cincinnati now. Yeah you know, a school like
• 57:50
  that perfect way to say. Alright let's do the next and
• 57:53
  it's got to be done. It's got to be talked about the
• 57:55
  school administration because there's a, I think text out of
• 58:00
  1.8 billion dollar endowment. Clearly we saw from that
• 58:04
  graphic. Just the other Eat the athletic
• 58:06
  department is an absolutely no debt while they were able to
• 58:09
  make that decision to effectively, take what 5.9
• 58:12
  million, in build, a new locker room because you ain't got no
• 58:17
  dead, it's easy to ask for money.
• 58:20
  What? Babcock?
• 58:20
  As we all know, as a Flashpoint discussion, when you talk to any
• 58:24
  hokey fans, there are people that love with there.
• 58:26
  Are people that absolutely hate with, but can he be the ad to
• 58:31
  leave? This?
• 58:31
  She also near an alumni. So I'm gonna ask you this one
• 58:33
  first. Can he lead?
• 58:35
  Read this back to where we want to be.
• 58:37
  I think you can. Yes, what happened?
• 58:41
  Tpd obviously. There's there's a lot of I think
• 58:45
  politics that goes on inside of school administrations at like
• 58:48
  administration's. Like it's really really complex.
• 58:50
  I think a lot more so than a lot of people on the outside kind of
• 58:53
  want to admit. I think what's done a really
• 58:56
  good job of obviously building up our Olympic sports programs.
• 59:00
  Be kind of see that with the number of new sports to success
• 59:02
  there with football. I Think It's tricky because
• 59:06
  honestly, you know, inherited situation where we had some debt
• 59:10
  from from the Weaver era and it took us a while to kind of build
• 59:13
  up, you know. The fundraising and all that
• 59:16
  stuff with like support staff and coaching centers and
• 59:19
  Facilities like all that stuff takes time.
• 59:21
  Like I said, I think there's there's a lot of factors that go
• 59:24
  into it. There's a lot of people that
• 59:25
  have to make decisions about that kind of stuff.
• 59:27
  It's not just wit obviously to Falls with him as a maybe but I
• 59:31
  think Tech is in a much better spot resources Lies when it
• 59:34
  comes to those three things that I mentioned.
• 59:36
  There's trying to put more money into the program and right now I
• 59:40
  think it's just a matter of Coach probably being able to get
• 59:43
  a job done. Like I just Think, for me, I
• 59:45
  just think the coaches have to win games, like it's that
• 59:47
  simple. I mean, we're not, you know,
• 59:49
  this isn't like that 2012 where we're falling behind, like we've
• 59:53
  got the money, we've got the money, be a top buddy program.
• 59:55
  I think I just think we need the coaches to kind of step up and
• 59:58
  do the jobs Kylie, will you think I agree?
• 1:00:02
  I agree with Shelton saying there, you know, even when he'd
• 1:00:07
  I do think it needs to be a little bit more of a focus on
• 1:00:10
  football. Because football is your money
• 1:00:11
  maker from Our perspective from somebody who is holding the
• 1:00:21
  money who's making the decisions is like, well, best girls, you
• 1:00:24
  know, when his basketball is doing this, or baseball is going
• 1:00:27
  here, football steal the money maker but you got to promote
• 1:00:30
  that because that's what's winning at the time.
• 1:00:33
  But as much as everybody jumped on with last year, or in the
• 1:00:37
  past years, and say we should be playing here, we should be
• 1:00:40
  playing here. Well, if we went in, did with
• 1:00:42
  the fuck, we were supposed to do and beat the shit.
• 1:00:44
  Out of ODU. I'll beat the shit out of
• 1:00:46
  Liberty. Nobody cares that we go to and
• 1:00:48
  play. It's just, we didn't get the job
• 1:00:51
  done. You know, the players didn't do
• 1:00:53
  it in the coaches, didn't do it. So if we do play ODU, or we do
• 1:00:58
  play Liberty or whoever the fuck we play, whose line up in front
• 1:01:02
  of us. If we go in there and their
• 1:01:03
  coaches, do that job, like, Sheldon saying, I don't think
• 1:01:06
  that we here witch named as much, you know, like for
• 1:01:10
  scheduling those games, like we can, we should be winning them.
• 1:01:14
  Even at ODU last year, that wasn't with fault that we lost.
• 1:01:19
  We may have shouldn't have went there, whatever, but it wasn't
• 1:01:22
  his fault that we lost and you don't, we made mistakes and we
• 1:01:25
  lost the game, you know, if we go down there and we drum them
• 1:01:28
  like we supposed to then everybody's happy and we on to
• 1:01:31
  the next week. So I think that we can be in
• 1:01:36
  this position and we can and we can start that start that run
• 1:01:39
  back up. Gabe Williams already showed us
• 1:01:42
  that. Yeah and I mean look at that.
• 1:01:44
  I mean, you know, Whit was kind of dealt a less-than-ideal hand
• 1:01:50
  from the end of the, the Weaver are, right?
• 1:01:53
  So you know, I know I get the focus on building back the, you
• 1:01:59
  know, some of the Olympics for it's in the non residue because
• 1:02:01
  those were heavily neglected. The entire depart was to
• 1:02:06
  collected across the board towards the end there, but
• 1:02:09
  particularly those kind of letter left flailing by the
• 1:02:12
  wayside there. You know, he's gotten those back
• 1:02:16
  to a point where you feel like there's stability consistently
• 1:02:19
  competing and then we started to see some of the money kind of
• 1:02:23
  come back in but you know, we look back it's part of that is
• 1:02:26
  the laissez-faire Mom and Pop Style managing that we saw
• 1:02:30
  towards the end of the Weaver are and we were just being her
• 1:02:33
  was taken care of business. And there wasn't a whole lot of
• 1:02:36
  money put in there, so, I feel like that, that played a big
• 1:02:40
  factor in how it kind of prioritize football less out the
• 1:02:43
  gate. And probably put him, you know,
• 1:02:47
  in the in the target of a lot of a lot of hokey football fans
• 1:02:51
  because I mean football is the Bell cow man football pays the
• 1:02:53
  bills so hopefully, you know, because of that, hopefully we
• 1:02:58
  don't end up losing some of the overall Revenue.
• 1:03:02
  The the kind of raising all boats there because we let
• 1:03:07
  football kind of flounder there for a little bit, but at that
• 1:03:09
  definitely think wit can turn it around.
• 1:03:11
  We got some good investment coming in now between the locker
• 1:03:14
  room. You know, some of the, the big
• 1:03:16
  initiatives on some of the facilities that we're doing and
• 1:03:21
  things like that. So in the, in the bigger
• 1:03:23
  emphasis on building the staff, so like those, their salary pool
• 1:03:27
  for the coaches, as big for me, especially when we look at the
• 1:03:30
  off-field roles as well. So if we can keep moving in that
• 1:03:35
  direction, I feel pretty good. I'm with all y'all on this.
• 1:03:39
  I think he can be the man to lead the way, just the way he
• 1:03:41
  built up the other parts of the program and then what he did
• 1:03:45
  effectively in 2018 because he was building it up, he was
• 1:03:49
  dumping money elsewhere. And when that season went down
• 1:03:52
  the shitter, he pivoted hard and sort of dumping money back in
• 1:03:57
  the football because he knew effectively, it wasn't like, it
• 1:04:01
  was with Frank. We weren't just going to keep
• 1:04:03
  going. It was like that too.
• 1:04:04
  Few first few years but he pivoted, Hardy got those new
• 1:04:08
  dorms built talking, remember that happening at the new dorms
• 1:04:12
  built, made some upgrades facility.
• 1:04:14
  So I think he saw it and now he's clearly dumping even more
• 1:04:17
  money into the football program. I'm going to be real cool with
• 1:04:24
  this one. Is wits hands tied by Tim
• 1:04:29
  sayings. Because Tam's is on record and
• 1:04:31
  saying, effectively, he does not believe in the football arms
• 1:04:34
  race. That's on record, that's not me.
• 1:04:37
  Just making it pulling something out of my ass.
• 1:04:40
  He said that and now he sits in a conference, this making 40
• 1:04:44
  million a year, when their other conferences, making 100 million
• 1:04:47
  a year. Do y'all think Sands ties his
• 1:04:50
  hands? Sheldon kind of hit on that
• 1:04:54
  earlier. So Sean, I actually think his
• 1:04:58
  hands are tied by other people in the ID personally.
• 1:05:02
  Well yeah I'm not going to I'm not going to so you know, I'm
• 1:05:13
  not going to comment on that but I do think way to sort of like a
• 1:05:16
  punching bag for fans who are just mad and one of them to
• 1:05:18
  about the state of the program. He's a good idea obviously.
• 1:05:22
  Like like Curtis mention, you know, his intelligence is not
• 1:05:25
  the issue like he's done a great job, putting up the revenues for
• 1:05:28
  the number of Miss Cortez. We talked about, I just think
• 1:05:31
  it's a matter of getting, you know, getting this staff to
• 1:05:33
  support they need and just, you know, having enough time to kind
• 1:05:36
  of wait it out. But yeah, as far as Sands goes
• 1:05:38
  like there's probably a certain people that also play a factor
• 1:05:43
  in that, that type of stuff. So that's kind of my that's come
• 1:05:46
  up in the news is another thing too.
• 1:05:48
  I may just kind of the same point but a little bit
• 1:05:51
  different. What is your Virginia Tech fans
• 1:05:54
  talk about? Excuse me.
• 1:05:56
  I was a genie tech fans talking about.
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  Oh, he's a, he's a nice. A, a snake said, snake oil
• 1:06:02
  salesman. Well, he's a used car salesman,
• 1:06:04
  the, some talking about different coaches.
• 1:06:06
  Well, fuck it. You got to be some kind of
• 1:06:08
  salesman, and we Punnett six years with a coach who was just
• 1:06:13
  like, hey, this is what it is, you know, until it came to the
• 1:06:16
  end. And he says, I need help.
• 1:06:18
  I need this. I need that.
• 1:06:20
  You got to have a coach that can stand In front of not, just
• 1:06:24
  with, but stand in front of the athletic department and say, for
• 1:06:27
  us to be successful, this is what we gotta do.
• 1:06:31
  So he's got to be a Salesman to do that and I think prize been
• 1:06:34
  doing that, the weighted he came in and the way to he, he hit the
• 1:06:37
  ground running. I know.
• 1:06:38
  It seems like it's been years and years ago, but when he
• 1:06:41
  arrived him, going to all the different events and shaking
• 1:06:45
  hands and kissing babies and sitting at groundwork, you got
• 1:06:49
  to be able to do that to show the athletic department, where
• 1:06:52
  You're trying to get to, as a football department.
• 1:06:55
  So 100%, I this is a simple. Yes, or no question.
• 1:07:00
  Can this Administration Sands everybody in the athletic
• 1:07:04
  department with included? Can they fast-track enough
• 1:07:08
  resources in the next five years?
• 1:07:09
  So say 2029 to get us ahead or level with most tier 2 non
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  Blueblood programs Ryan. I mean I think we're on the
• 1:07:21
  right track for that already, right?
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  So, you know, we already moved up into kind of the top two or
• 1:07:26
  three, four, sometimes, five, depending on the year, in terms
• 1:07:30
  of what we're paying coaches, we're starting to move that way
• 1:07:34
  into what we potentially could pay recruiting staff.
• 1:07:38
  So we're not going to be Clemson right out the gate.
• 1:07:40
  We're probably not going to be Florida state anytime soon, but
• 1:07:43
  I think we can definitely be a tour ahead of everybody else in
• 1:07:48
  our conference, right? Now on that front so I
• 1:07:51
  definitely think that's doable, okay.
• 1:07:54
  Now if you're talking about if we're in the SEC in three to
• 1:07:59
  four years, that's when it gets a little more questionable, but
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  I think we've got a decent enough Foundation.
• 1:08:06
  Where we're not going to be behind, I just don't know
• 1:08:09
  whether we're catching up to those.
• 1:08:10
  Tier two programs, if that's the path we end up going down.
• 1:08:17
  Yeah, I've personally I just I don't think money is that big of
• 1:08:19
  it? I mean it's money met but you
• 1:08:22
  reason that we're not like a top 10 or top plate program, but I
• 1:08:24
  don't think it's a reason why we can't be, you know, talk 30,
• 1:08:26
  like we've got the resources, our facilities are good, you
• 1:08:29
  know, the support staff, they've got all this position.
• 1:08:31
  So it's like we've got the, we've got, the resources were
• 1:08:34
  investing now. It's just a matter of time
• 1:08:35
  before it pays off coaches. I think it comes down to the
• 1:08:39
  coach. I've been, it comes down to the
• 1:08:42
  product. And, like I said, you got a
• 1:08:44
  headache coaches, leading the program yet, Experiment believe.
• 1:08:48
  So, even when you do go three and eight, you still got people
• 1:08:51
  to say, hey, we're going to follow this guy.
• 1:08:53
  So right now, I think we're in the right direction.
• 1:08:56
  Prior to going to be watching us, man, I need your help this
• 1:09:00
  year, go fuck some people up, there you go.
• 1:09:05
  I so obviously the next big elephant in the room and it's
• 1:09:09
  always in the room because it seems like if I talkin about
• 1:09:12
  including Dion, just the other day is in il and What do y'all
• 1:09:17
  think about the football donation strategy, prioritizing
• 1:09:21
  ni L donations over donations to the Hokie Club, over donations,
• 1:09:25
  to the scholarship fund? Does it have to be a
• 1:09:28
  prioritization? I mean, we're not in debt.
• 1:09:32
  I didn't do it. I mean, and IL has to be a focus
• 1:09:36
  whether it's the focus or not is I guess the big question, right?
• 1:09:41
  If you're not if you don't have a significant in il presence,
• 1:09:46
  you're going to be falling behind on the recruiting trail
• 1:09:51
  and I think not so much with getting guys.
• 1:09:53
  Like I think, I mean it's dumb. Some of the stuff I've seen some
• 1:09:57
  like tier two, tier two tier three programs do to get like a
• 1:10:01
  mid three. To give program that shit's dumb
• 1:10:05
  but where we need to be good at is if we've got a four star that
• 1:10:11
  is ready to commit, but we're not quite where they need to be.
• 1:10:14
  We got to be able to push that over the top and make it close
• 1:10:17
  that deal. If we've got a star player on
• 1:10:21
  our team that getting some Nibbles from bigger programs,
• 1:10:26
  we've got to be able to push that a little bit hired to
• 1:10:30
  incentivize that player to stay. In Blacksburg, that's where it's
• 1:10:34
  going to be the big winds from an ni o perspective.
• 1:10:37
  So I don't think it needs to overtake the Hokie Club in terms
• 1:10:41
  of priority, but I definitely think it needs to be a tiered
• 1:10:44
  approach in how we're funding the program going forward.
• 1:10:49
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:10:50
  Because, again, mind that use not the main thing, but one of
• 1:10:53
  the things you hit, all right then and like coach process, it
• 1:10:58
  Shameless plug. If you haven't seen it, go back
• 1:11:01
  and watch it. Cold for our.
• 1:11:03
  See it, you got coaches, talking to you players during the
• 1:11:07
  season, pretty much did, you know, you got coaches, trying to
• 1:11:10
  poacher poacher players all the time.
• 1:11:13
  So nrel has to be somewhere in there to be like, hey, we can
• 1:11:18
  take care of you here. Here we go.
• 1:11:20
  We got you, you know, you've already proved yourself here.
• 1:11:24
  Let us let us, you know, do what we do and let you continue to
• 1:11:30
  grow here. So And I are definitely has to
• 1:11:33
  be a focus because of things like that.
• 1:11:35
  Not the focus, but a focus. And I mean the other thought
• 1:11:41
  about it too. Is y'all think we're like the
• 1:11:44
  Deon interview yesterday about it?
• 1:11:50
  Was there's only to me. He was trying to say, only
• 1:11:52
  Elite. Guys should get in il.
• 1:11:54
  These collectives are the problems and it's like so a guy
• 1:11:57
  killing himself. Shouldn't get any money for
• 1:12:01
  playing college football Dion. I hated that, I hated him saying
• 1:12:04
  that if you all doing here you go.
• 1:12:05
  Looks like my son could get a million dollar deal.
• 1:12:08
  It's like so the kid over here shouldn't get twenty thousand
• 1:12:12
  dollars for planted. I agree with him from a high
• 1:12:15
  school recruit standpoint but the other but despite the
• 1:12:19
  player, Your retention, if you got a kid, that's developing
• 1:12:23
  well, and doing all the right stuff, you should be able to put
• 1:12:26
  some stuff on that player. Whether he's getting Nibbles
• 1:12:31
  from outside of the program or not.
• 1:12:34
  So the and that's why it's a question is, there's our
• 1:12:36
  strategy, right? I mean, all I'll say is this, I
• 1:12:40
  think our strategy is working good.
• 1:12:42
  Did Mansoor go anywhere after being clearly, clearly hit up by
• 1:12:46
  a bunch of people, probably with a nice bunch of money in his
• 1:12:49
  pocket for his pockets. I mean are you still okay?
• 1:12:55
  So you sit here, if we did it, if we're doing it right or doing
• 1:12:57
  it wrong, I think the collectives and all are doing
• 1:13:01
  it, right? They're finding ways to get it
• 1:13:04
  done, you know? And and that's the pieces like
• 1:13:11
  is it right when guys like that? Don't leave and you clearly see
• 1:13:16
  you know, and I know he's not involved yet likely with it.
• 1:13:19
  But guys like Gabe, come on clearly the Visions laid out
• 1:13:22
  there within IL and In as far as leveling up at the ni o, do we
• 1:13:29
  need to? I mean yeah, everybody needs to
• 1:13:32
  write in some way but because this is it's always going to be
• 1:13:36
  changing. It is they're gonna come in,
• 1:13:38
  they're gonna put some restrictions in it or they're
• 1:13:40
  gonna come in and they're going to say this and they're going to
• 1:13:42
  do that. So you're always going to have
• 1:13:43
  some stuff going, that's a little bit different.
• 1:13:45
  I'm excited that we are just having a part in it now, because
• 1:13:52
  down here, while I'm at it, it's been happening.
• 1:13:53
  Like yeah, fuck. And I ll it was just like do
• 1:13:57
  your mama need a house? Or you need a car, here you go,
• 1:14:00
  you know what I'm saying? So to have something that just
• 1:14:03
  at least puts us you do in the same ballpark with some of those
• 1:14:07
  schools helps 100% All right, let's flip it over because it's
• 1:14:14
  we've been leveling. We got to get to recruiting and
• 1:14:17
  I'm going to put just want to tally because Shelton, Brian
• 1:14:21
  myself. I think I bias might show
• 1:14:23
  through on this one. I felt tallied in and outside
• 1:14:26
  guy being from Alabama, might be a little bit more.
• 1:14:29
  So tally, what's more important getting the best players we can
• 1:14:33
  in our 6:00 hour radius or recruiting the state of
• 1:14:37
  Virginia, better than any other team, Penn State UNC Carolyn NC
• 1:14:42
  State. Clemson etc, etc. so tough
• 1:14:46
  question, and it's kind of hard to answer because you gotta You
• 1:14:51
  got to kind of do both. You know I'm saying?
• 1:14:53
  Like you really don't have a choice but to do both, it's like
• 1:14:55
  that six hour radius. 6 hours is not impossible to drive to go to
• 1:15:01
  a football game, therefore, a family.
• 1:15:04
  You know what I'm saying? The state of Virginia, or people
• 1:15:09
  close to Virginia, Tech 4 hours away, three hours away.
• 1:15:13
  We'll go watch. Somebody play that is from their
• 1:15:18
  school, you know? So that goes, A long two.
• 1:15:22
  Hotel rooms being rented, that goes along with the city of
• 1:15:26
  Blacksburg making money because people going to restaurants,
• 1:15:29
  that goes along to selling out the stadium, having a better
• 1:15:32
  crowd for TV selling more concessions, while you're there
• 1:15:37
  then just recruiting people to recruit them and then their
• 1:15:41
  families can't come, watch them. You don't have nobody to watch
• 1:15:43
  him play. So recruiting the best in the
• 1:15:47
  state is good or getting the best players from the stadium.
• 1:15:52
  Or between instead of Virginia is good, but you can't neglect.
• 1:15:57
  Like we talking about Gabe Williams.
• 1:15:58
  You can't neglect a player, like gave Williams.
• 1:16:01
  That is the spearhead right now of this 2024 class.
• 1:16:07
  And I do think we get some guys from Virginia.
• 1:16:10
  I do think we get, you know, maybe 12.
• 1:16:15
  I don't know, top guys from Virginia.
• 1:16:17
  When I say top maybe top 10 guys from Virginia this year but
• 1:16:21
  they're not There yet. So if you're sitting around
• 1:16:24
  waiting on that top 10 guy to start your class off and they've
• 1:16:29
  been holding off and holding off shit, you miss a big weekend
• 1:16:35
  like you just did, you know. So you're right.
• 1:16:39
  I guess my answer would be, you know, that six our radius is, is
• 1:16:42
  probably the best route to go just because it's so much talent
• 1:16:47
  around that area, that we'd be missing if we didn't. but we're
• 1:16:52
  not neglecting Virginia either, which is what the problem was,
• 1:16:57
  before what we was doing, I'm doing Show me what you think.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, like guitar for me, I want to talk a lot about, you know,
• 1:17:11
  locking down the state of Virginia.
• 1:17:12
  I think it's more helpful to look at, in terms of just like
• 1:17:15
  taking Blacksburg and drawing a giant circle around it.
• 1:17:18
  So that's where you keep hurting.
• 1:17:19
  So, North Carolina DMV Tennessee excetera.
• 1:17:23
  Personally, I know some people might disagree this.
• 1:17:25
  I'm not super gung-ho on the town level right now.
• 1:17:27
  In the state of Virginia, the last two years it is it's been
• 1:17:30
  pretty rough in terms of NFL draft picks getting.
• 1:17:32
  After from the state now that might change going forward.
• 1:17:35
  It could just be a little blip but to me you look at over the
• 1:17:39
  past, you know, six or seven years like most of text players,
• 1:17:41
  the best players are from North Carolina and an ogre killed
• 1:17:45
  Farley Divine Diablo. Exile the field living, you can
• 1:17:48
  name a bunch of them like tree the talent.
• 1:17:50
  Yeah. Trey Turner thanks for the tip
• 1:17:53
  there. It's like that's where the
• 1:17:55
  talent is. I mean, like I didn't know this
• 1:17:57
  until recently but the state of Virginia is actually losing
• 1:17:59
  population and North Carolina's growing in population.
• 1:18:02
  And so to me, like when we're talking about what the
• 1:18:04
  recruiting base is, you got them to North Carolina, because
• 1:18:08
  that's where that's where our best players have come from for
• 1:18:11
  the most part. Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:18:15
  In some of this goes back to what Pratt talks about with
• 1:18:19
  relationships, right? So when we talk about a kid,
• 1:18:21
  like Gabe Williams just came on. He talk, what did he say?
• 1:18:25
  Relationship with Elijah Brooks. Yep, is a big key in why?
• 1:18:31
  He gave Virginia Tech a look. So you can't ignore those
• 1:18:34
  relationships regardless of whether they're those high
• 1:18:37
  schools that you're spending a significant amount of time in by
• 1:18:41
  recruiting the state, or Whether it's the relationships that
• 1:18:44
  you've developed in your recruiting footprint or from
• 1:18:47
  previous stops, you've got it, you can't turn away a connection
• 1:18:52
  again as tally said the problem before, wasn't that, you know,
• 1:18:57
  the staff lean into some of their, you know, lower Midwest
• 1:19:02
  Roots. There.
• 1:19:03
  It was that they completely ignored the state of Virginia in
• 1:19:06
  the process. Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Right so I definitely think the six hour radius is More
• 1:19:14
  important from a macro version verse perspective.
• 1:19:17
  But you know, you still need to be in the Virginia High School's
• 1:19:22
  every year because you want to be there when a kid is good and
• 1:19:27
  he wants to play for Virginia Tech 100%, you don't want to be
• 1:19:30
  the guy coming in last. Are you going to be the school
• 1:19:33
  that is late to the party on a kid that ends up being good at a
• 1:19:38
  school that you decided to ignore for two or three Cycles?
• 1:19:41
  Exactly. In in like it's like we're all
• 1:19:46
  here. It's like Virginia is important
• 1:19:48
  because likely two out of every five players are going to be
• 1:19:50
  purged in from Virginia. Let's just be realistic.
• 1:19:53
  We look at an 85 scholarship, probably 30 of them are.
• 1:19:55
  So we're going to be from Virginia, if not a little bit
• 1:19:58
  more, but I sit here and I look at that radius, we draw that
• 1:20:01
  Circle. And I think there's four states
• 1:20:06
  that are going to be critical. I think Virginia still is
• 1:20:08
  critical. I think finding stars and find
• 1:20:11
  developmental players, which shows going to get to in a
• 1:20:13
  little while here, from the state of Virginia, is going to
• 1:20:15
  be super critical. But the states of Florida,
• 1:20:19
  Georgia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Those four states are going to
• 1:20:25
  be a to me if we get back we're going to see it.
• 1:20:29
  And I'm not knocking Maryland, but Maryland's, right next door.
• 1:20:33
  Don't have to for drivers for to get to Maryland.
• 1:20:36
  Please don't and you're not talking in North Carolina as
• 1:20:39
  well, which is also at the two states.
• 1:20:41
  Closest to us, that tally has made a point four hour drive
• 1:20:45
  three-hour drive for those guys. It's, those ones that are a
• 1:20:48
  little bit further, there are just in there just in the six
• 1:20:52
  hours or their little bit outside that six hour range.
• 1:20:55
  And I think for the program it's getting several pop 30 top, 25
• 1:21:00
  players to commit to Tech. Getting the inroads in those
• 1:21:05
  schools and it may be five years.
• 1:21:07
  We're looking at it and saying it's not top 30 anymore, we're
• 1:21:10
  going to get to top 15 players from the state of Georgia.
• 1:21:13
  This year, we're going to get you top 15 players from the
• 1:21:16
  state of Ohio this year. And it's that growth of those
• 1:21:19
  schools where it's still six hours, somebody on the northern
• 1:21:23
  part of Georgia can give me a car on Friday afternoon, drive
• 1:21:27
  up to Blacksburg. Go see their son play.
• 1:21:30
  Get out on Sunday, drive back. It's a full.
• 1:21:33
  Yeah, but it's nothing that can't be done and I think that's
• 1:21:36
  going to be the big important part.
• 1:21:38
  Now, the other thing I'll say is the transfer portal ain't going
• 1:21:41
  away. Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Tennessee as well but Tennessee's wanted to touch his
• 1:21:48
  us, tell you drove up from your home's, an hour and a half.
• 1:21:53
  We took about six hours to get to Bristol.
• 1:21:56
  You know how old half. So, it's only about five hours,
• 1:21:58
  right? Yeah, five hours for to about
• 1:22:01
  five hours to get the Bristol. I believe.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah. Now so that again they in
• 1:22:08
  Chattanooga can drive up, we can see the sun go back home without
• 1:22:12
  much of a thing. But the thing that Coach Price
• 1:22:15
  said was talking about the he was talking about Transfer
• 1:22:21
  portal and he said it straight up to us.
• 1:22:23
  It's need and fit. If you need an older guy in a
• 1:22:26
  room to discuss it, right? You got to go on those to me
• 1:22:31
  that's someone like pow because at the defensive end room
• 1:22:35
  defensive end room wise. He's already played a Glide in
• 1:22:38
  the SEC right. He's already probably got just
• 1:22:42
  as much experience as Nelson and McRae.
• 1:22:44
  Does he seem better? Tackles than probably anybody on
• 1:22:48
  our defensively. Exactly.
• 1:22:50
  And that's nice. Fit and then he talked about it
• 1:22:52
  the other way. And I love him saying this when
• 1:22:55
  we miss on a guy, if we don't hit on a guy, we think we're
• 1:22:57
  going to develop this guy. I love hearing him say that
• 1:23:01
  because he's basically saying this is football, you're not
• 1:23:04
  going to hit on every player so when you swing and Miss on
• 1:23:06
  players, you got to be willing to go out there and find
• 1:23:08
  somebody. True, very true.
• 1:23:13
  I got one more question on recruiting, and this is like his
• 1:23:18
  story in me is I'm asking you all can print, pride, get his
• 1:23:24
  Cornell Brown And when I say Cornell Brown, if you're a
• 1:23:28
  hockey fan is old as we are. You know who Cornell Brown is,
• 1:23:30
  but Cornell Brown was a win for Frank Beamer 30-plus years ago
• 1:23:34
  because he was a number one player in the state.
• 1:23:36
  He was basically a top 50 recruit and when he chose
• 1:23:40
  techie, chosen over UVA who effectively was looked at as the
• 1:23:43
  power in Virginia that point I'm amongst a bunch of other offers
• 1:23:48
  Can Brent pride, get that player sooner or later?
• 1:23:53
  To Richmond or excuse me to Virginia Tech.
• 1:23:58
  Yeah, I mean I think that's I think we're looking probably
• 1:24:01
  this cycle and next cycle is going to be the most important
• 1:24:04
  in terms of Landing that type of player.
• 1:24:08
  You know I don't think it's going to be a number one in the
• 1:24:10
  state of Virginia Tech caliber player but I think we can get a
• 1:24:16
  top 250, top 200 player that is whether it started out the gate
• 1:24:23
  or somebody that's contributing very early.
• 1:24:25
  But is setting the tone tone from a culture perspective,
• 1:24:30
  right out the gate. And we very May well have been
• 1:24:34
  talking to that player tonight. You know what time will tell?
• 1:24:38
  But I think I think that's that that's what you're going to need
• 1:24:41
  and I think it's for me if it's going to happen in these happen,
• 1:24:44
  either this cycle and that cycle.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah. And you know if you go back and
• 1:24:49
  listen to what Gabe said when he was on, he said you know, these
• 1:24:53
  coaches are giving you the opportunity and giving you, you
• 1:24:58
  know, the position to come in and play.
• 1:25:00
  So opportunities there for a lot of these recruits to come in and
• 1:25:05
  make that early impact in the be that Cornell type of
• 1:25:11
  Trendsetter, you know, Elite, he will recruit and come in and
• 1:25:16
  play early and, you know, change the culture of Virginia Tech to
• 1:25:21
  be back to what it's supposed to be there opening, the flood gate
• 1:25:25
  up and said, hey, this is yall's team, you know, we just, we want
• 1:25:28
  to know that you'll want to be a part of it and that's what I
• 1:25:31
  like, what game is done, you know, he he's took on the road
• 1:25:34
  to say, hey, I believe in this place and I want to get some
• 1:25:38
  other people hear that. Want to believe it until I don't
• 1:25:41
  want to dig too far into what he said, but it's on wax, you can
• 1:25:45
  go back and listen to it yourself.
• 1:25:47
  He said it's some other people that's involved that we don't
• 1:25:49
  know about yet, so we could have been talking to him.
• 1:25:53
  We could be talking about it. True.
• 1:25:57
  What you think? Sheldon does he need it soon?
• 1:26:00
  Does he need that type of player soon?
• 1:26:03
  I mean soon. Yeah maybe I mean it's hard to
• 1:26:06
  it's hard to project coming off you know a three-name season but
• 1:26:11
  I don't know. I think it's it'll be the 2025
• 1:26:15
  classified be more or - kind of where we're headed.
• 1:26:18
  I just think right now it's kind of too early as far as like
• 1:26:20
  where we are as a program to really be projecting too much in
• 1:26:23
  the future but yeah I'd say so is it sooner rather than later
• 1:26:26
  for sure. All right, good deal.
• 1:26:28
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  y'all. So second half of here, we are
• 1:27:00
  going to be talking will let Sheldon take over for a few
• 1:27:03
  minutes because Sheldon did some deep deep digging on Player
• 1:27:07
  Development and he's got a bunch of stuff he wants to show us.
• 1:27:10
  So she all the floors. Yours sir.
• 1:27:13
  Yeah. So one of the things I've always
• 1:27:15
  been interested in studying is really what goes into Player
• 1:27:17
  Development. It's something that's
• 1:27:19
  fascinating for a long time because I feel like there's just
• 1:27:21
  some little nuances that that go into what make a team successful
• 1:27:25
  or unsuccessful. And I think one thing that's
• 1:27:28
  helpful to look at is just, you know, what other programs are
• 1:27:31
  doing because you can't really, you know, figure out what the
• 1:27:35
  formula is. If you don't really study like
• 1:27:37
  how other teams do it and what what successful teams what
• 1:27:41
  successful teams do, they get part of ailment.
• 1:27:44
  So obviously, you know, I started recruiting Because a lot
• 1:27:46
  but I also acknowledge that they are imperfect.
• 1:27:49
  And so I just wanted to figure out really, what is sort of like
• 1:27:51
  the secret sauce that makes a program?
• 1:27:55
  When essentially, I think we look at it seemed like Virginia
• 1:27:59
  Tech. They're sort of like a
• 1:28:01
  perception among tech fans that, you know, back in the Glory Days
• 1:28:04
  of the Frank Beamer era check was winning with these, you
• 1:28:07
  know, three-star, recruit seized under scouted guys, that were
• 1:28:09
  kind of like the, you know, Blue Collar chip on your Older like
• 1:28:14
  Little Engine That Could but really that's not until
• 1:28:16
  accurate. Like we had tons of star players
• 1:28:18
  during the 2000s. You look at you know, Marcus
• 1:28:21
  Vick and Macho Harris and Xavier adibi and David Wilson like
• 1:28:25
  these were all players that were really talented.
• 1:28:27
  Prospects that other powerful programs wanted.
• 1:28:30
  So it wasn't just like we were kind of you know The Little
• 1:28:33
  Engine That Could like we're winning games because we had
• 1:28:35
  star players. We had good players, we beat you
• 1:28:37
  know we beat Alabama and Tennessee because we had better
• 1:28:39
  players than made it so it's always helpful to kind of, you
• 1:28:42
  know, keep in perspective. Our development only gets you so
• 1:28:45
  far and on a fundamental level, you do have to get recruiting,
• 1:28:48
  right? If you're not, if you're
• 1:28:49
  creating is not the biggest focus of your program, then you
• 1:28:52
  are doing it wrong. But with that being said, we can
• 1:28:55
  also look a lot at there's programs that do develop players
• 1:28:59
  very well and Brandi can give you the graphic up in a moment.
• 1:29:03
  So you can see, I made a list here, a top 10 player to jump
• 1:29:07
  rooms using, the SP plus rating should count for strength of
• 1:29:10
  schedule and kind of translate into the recruiting rankings.
• 1:29:13
  He's and in doing this, I wanted to identify really free common
• 1:29:17
  themes here, which I sort of looked at that.
• 1:29:20
  These programs have the first is coaching continuity.
• 1:29:23
  So you look at it seemed like Utah.
• 1:29:25
  How wedding has been there for 18 years Kirk rights?
• 1:29:27
  Iowa has been there for 24 years my kinda Oklahoma State, 18
• 1:29:31
  years. The average coaching tuner for
• 1:29:33
  these 10 programs is 10 years. So why that matters?
• 1:29:39
  You know, you look at a guy like France at Iowa, he's been there
• 1:29:42
  so long. He knows all the Coach in the
• 1:29:43
  state and he kinda has a good feel for what players are fit
• 1:29:47
  for playing in his program? You know, he had a strength
• 1:29:50
  coach that is no longer there but have been there for a while
• 1:29:52
  staying with Gummy at Oklahoma State and gummy is even on
• 1:29:55
  record saying that, you know, consistency is the most
• 1:29:57
  important thing establishing a big-time college football
• 1:29:59
  program and especially on the staff to like, you know, you
• 1:30:03
  want your coordinators to be there long time.
• 1:30:04
  That's a Clemson. Did a good job of you want your
• 1:30:06
  strength coach to be to be there for a long time?
• 1:30:08
  It's all about sort of establishing continuity so that
• 1:30:12
  crew It's see that and they kind of know like okay this is the
• 1:30:15
  Seth has been there for our. They've been doing it for a long
• 1:30:17
  time that kind of helps sell you sell players in the recruiting
• 1:30:21
  Trail. So if anyone's interject after
• 1:30:23
  that, after that point you're free to.
• 1:30:25
  Well, I think what that's also what we saw as well, like you
• 1:30:27
  said, we had star players but for the longest time it was the
• 1:30:30
  same staff here at tech for years, it is very important
• 1:30:35
  because go back to the you said you said it right off the
• 1:30:38
  get-go. Sheldon recruiting is important.
• 1:30:41
  But if you've got that coaching continuity with the Head.
• 1:30:43
  Coaches, the saying guy, parts of the staff are the same when
• 1:30:46
  they walk into that school. Everyone knows them.
• 1:30:51
  The players are likely comfortable because, yeah, you
• 1:30:53
  know, take coach calf coach. Kevin all had been walking down
• 1:30:57
  into 75, 74 Years. Everybody knew him.
• 1:31:01
  So it makes perfect sense. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:31:04
  You say coaching continuity is the same as identity.
• 1:31:08
  You know what I'm saying? When you got the same coaches,
• 1:31:11
  you know, that team is going to have a certain idea.
• 1:31:13
  Entity, you know, they're going to play a certain way.
• 1:31:15
  You know, a coach is going to just be a certain type of Coach
• 1:31:19
  whether it's the head coach, or the position coach, and you
• 1:31:22
  don't have a lot of revolving door type stuff.
• 1:31:26
  So that point is definitely a big point.
• 1:31:29
  The coaching continuity because like you said, when you are
• 1:31:33
  going to recruit and it's the same people year after year,
• 1:31:38
  number 1, that means that somebody's having some kind of
• 1:31:41
  success. You're Getting fired.
• 1:31:44
  Yep. They like where they are.
• 1:31:47
  So they're not leaving and they're building relationships.
• 1:31:52
  Well I hate to keep going back to.
• 1:31:53
  It gave Williams told us when coach Brooks got hired on to
• 1:31:58
  this staff that was his first offer.
• 1:32:01
  So it instantly jumped us up because of a coach.
• 1:32:06
  So yeah that's definitely a big Point.
• 1:32:10
  Yeah. To piggyback off of that, when
• 1:32:13
  we talk about you talk about identity.
• 1:32:14
  I also think about coaches having an innate ability of
• 1:32:19
  getting certain players at certain positions.
• 1:32:22
  Ins in a spot where they can make some big plays and get to
• 1:32:26
  the next level. So, when we think about Virginia
• 1:32:28
  Tech historically, we look at, okay done really well with dual
• 1:32:32
  threat. Quarterback sacks always had a
• 1:32:34
  solid solid running back core, really good, linebackers Elite
• 1:32:39
  defensive backs, right? So you knew if you were coming
• 1:32:42
  to Virginia Tech, you do what type of identity they had?
• 1:32:44
  And you knew what type of players they historically could
• 1:32:47
  get to the next level. So when you have coaching
• 1:32:51
  continuity, you That as a, it's no longer a variable, it's a
• 1:32:56
  constant, right? So you know what you're getting
• 1:32:58
  in that perspective. Definitely.
• 1:33:01
  And that kind of leads into my second key, which was having an
• 1:33:04
  identity and recruiting. So like I told you guys I'm here
• 1:33:07
  in Salt Lake City for the week. I went up took a run by Utah.
• 1:33:11
  Standard a Utah is a very very good program for a variety of
• 1:33:15
  reasons. But one of which I think is very
• 1:33:17
  important is the fact that they have established and identity in
• 1:33:20
  recruiting. So About in any given year about
• 1:33:23
  one third of the roster is composed of Polynesian players.
• 1:33:27
  And this is not a fact I knew until researching, but Samoan
• 1:33:30
  players are 58 times more likely to make the NFL than their
• 1:33:33
  American counterparts. So because of that, you know,
• 1:33:36
  history, that established there. I've got a pipe on of this
• 1:33:38
  pollination kids that just come up to the school and they
• 1:33:41
  develop them and they and they put them in a fellow.
• 1:33:44
  Make it also to take a team like Wisconsin who historically has
• 1:33:47
  been built on these you know big beefy mean offensive lineman.
• 1:33:50
  They're going to play Smash Mouth football.
• 1:33:51
  They're going to Run the ball down your throats and the reason
• 1:33:54
  they do that is because they have to Wisconsin does not have
• 1:33:57
  the access to skill talent to play another brand of football
• 1:34:00
  because recruiting is mostly defined by geography.
• 1:34:03
  So they have established that sort of niche of okay, we're
• 1:34:06
  gonna have a big offensive lineman.
• 1:34:08
  We're going to play, you know, Pro style and just try to run
• 1:34:10
  the ball down your throats and that's what they've done.
• 1:34:12
  Big white office environment. Well, and again, it goes back to
• 1:34:19
  what we just talked about here, right?
• 1:34:21
  Shelton. We were talking about good
• 1:34:23
  running backs and you talked about David Wilson, the line of
• 1:34:26
  great running backs. Go back to um go Kenny oxendine
• 1:34:30
  you go to Lee Suggs, you ghost if you go KJ you go Ryan
• 1:34:34
  Williams Darren Evans. It wasn't like 10.
• 1:34:37
  I got this one. Really good guy, a lot of those
• 1:34:40
  guys were highly coveted. It was that running back big
• 1:34:43
  deep on the inside Ron, you said, linebackers.
• 1:34:46
  And then the back in Setbacks. So we knew our dead identity and
• 1:34:51
  now we've got coach Pride effectively trying to start a
• 1:34:54
  new identity for a new era and now we have to see what that
• 1:34:59
  vision is over the next little while here in, can it come to
• 1:35:03
  fruition to what he wants it to be?
• 1:35:05
  Because I think we're going to talk about in a little while
• 1:35:07
  here, something about the defense because it's a certain
• 1:35:14
  portion. We're going to talk about a
• 1:35:16
  little while here but go ahead. Alton or branching, out Kalyan
• 1:35:19
  anything else to say on this one?
• 1:35:21
  I'm good on that. Y'all cover the good parts.
• 1:35:23
  They're okay. And so then I'll finish up here
• 1:35:26
  with the third key which is establishing a culture now,
• 1:35:30
  culture is kind of, you know, one of those Buzz words that
• 1:35:32
  people kind of fur out, but it really is a big deal.
• 1:35:35
  I think we talked about, you know, Utah, they've got a great
• 1:35:37
  culture that get place to stay, you know, they go on missionary
• 1:35:39
  trips for the LDS church for a couple of years they come back,
• 1:35:42
  they're 24, 25 years old. So they're essentially, you
• 1:35:44
  know, effectively like the six year, senior playing college
• 1:35:46
  football. And then, you know, Wisconsin
• 1:35:49
  they've got the walk on program, that's develop stars like, JJ
• 1:35:51
  Watt kind of know where they are and they recruit to that and
• 1:35:55
  then you click, it seemed like Kansas state, who's also on this
• 1:35:57
  list, you know, they hired a guy and Chris climbing who came from
• 1:36:00
  winning program at NDSU. So, you know, he had, you know,
• 1:36:04
  five or six great years are really learned how to win.
• 1:36:06
  Learn how to be a head coach, and you kind of take him from
• 1:36:08
  there. He's also, I think a very good
• 1:36:09
  cultural fit kind of similar to Virginia Tech, you know, he's
• 1:36:12
  not a guy for the Limelight, he's a he's a good fit, the kind
• 1:36:15
  of state and they're not flashy they just You know, develop
• 1:36:18
  players and kind of get the job done.
• 1:36:20
  So I think that third part of it is really just you know culture
• 1:36:23
  establishing knowing who you are and then recruiting to your
• 1:36:26
  identity. All right, so if there is
• 1:36:32
  obviously the best player development programs, who's the
• 1:36:36
  worst? Yes, we have that.
• 1:36:39
  We have that graphic as well. It's, it's pretty ugly.
• 1:36:50
  Can y'all hear me? It doesn't mean they're
• 1:37:28
  automatically going to be good like a four-star.
• 1:37:30
  Recruit Scott develop themselves, you need coaching.
• 1:37:32
  Coaching always matters. It matters whether you're
• 1:37:35
  recruiting three stars, four, stars or five stars, it always
• 1:37:37
  matters. And I think, you know, I was
• 1:37:39
  having a conversation the other day and maybe you guys could
• 1:37:41
  chime in, on this, with them a person.
• 1:37:44
  Whose opinion, I highly respect. I cannot reveal his name due to
• 1:37:46
  his is very high important job status.
• 1:37:49
  But he said, he actually thinks that the idea that Tech can out
• 1:37:53
  developed player. Out develop teams is kind of a
• 1:37:56
  misnomer. That they just have to out
• 1:37:58
  recruit them, you know, we talk about all the talent they got
• 1:38:01
  during the beaver days, you know, you look at a program,
• 1:38:03
  like, Georgia, Georgia won two national championships with a
• 1:38:07
  former walk-on quarterback who's now going to the NFL.
• 1:38:10
  So, if that's not an elite Player Development, then I don't
• 1:38:13
  know what is, I think, as much as we emphasize how much it
• 1:38:16
  matters. We have, that was.
• 1:38:16
  So, we also understand that there is sort of a limit to how
• 1:38:20
  much you can develop players. And at the end of the day, it
• 1:38:23
  does come down to recruiting studs.
• 1:38:25
  Like, there's just no getting around that.
• 1:38:26
  You got to recruit good. There's got good work ethics and
• 1:38:29
  just want to get better and on a fundamental level, you know,
• 1:38:32
  regardless of, you know, all the other factors that go into it.
• 1:38:35
  That's just what it boils down to is recruiting players that
• 1:38:37
  fit your school, your system and your identity.
• 1:38:40
  It's really silly to think about it, but we're talking about the
• 1:38:43
  85 87 88. Put the, it's easier to take an
• 1:38:48
  87 in to make it a better player, than 84 or an 83.
• 1:38:53
  Because if I'm not, and I know I'm talking numbers here, but
• 1:38:57
  but if they're here on a scale, then there is a chance to take a
• 1:39:01
  step up, right? It's like they're out there a
• 1:39:04
  high 3-star. Can we develop that to make him
• 1:39:07
  play like a high for star? There is that possibility?
• 1:39:11
  It's a lot easier to take that to go to here to take cam.
• 1:39:14
  Chancellor's are a dime a dozen, right?
• 1:39:16
  Yes. They just are low.
• 1:39:18
  Two stars that literally become 5 Stars.
• 1:39:22
  So again you make the great point, the better we recruit the
• 1:39:25
  more chances in this the easier developing.
• 1:39:29
  Yeah. Go ahead John, I'll let you
• 1:39:31
  finish. Okay.
• 1:39:32
  Yes. Just cook.
• 1:39:33
  I mean you take a guy like Caleb Fairley.
• 1:39:35
  Like he was a high three star. Yeah.
• 1:39:37
  But I think he was a four-star in the 24/7 rankings.
• 1:39:40
  Like if you ask people in the tech program, like they all knew
• 1:39:43
  he was an absolute stud. So there's always going to be,
• 1:39:46
  you know, some degree of like, you know, can we get the guys
• 1:39:48
  that maybe we think our little bit, you know, overlooked but to
• 1:39:51
  your point Curtis just take out on a one out of ten scale.
• 1:39:56
  If you recruit at a as a level 7 out of 10, it is significantly
• 1:39:59
  easier to be a 9 out of 10 program that it is if your
• 1:40:02
  create a level 5 out of 10. Okay, I'm all about.
• 1:40:04
  It's all about degrees and relativity.
• 1:40:07
  Yeah you're not going to get, you know, 12, or 13, high
• 1:40:12
  ceiling, guys, that are in 84 in every class.
• 1:40:15
  Like, at some point, you got to start recruiting guys that are a
• 1:40:19
  little bit more. Ready to play, right?
• 1:40:21
  Yeah. Everybody can't be a project.
• 1:40:23
  Yeah. Hey, are you coming to come into
• 1:40:26
  play? You can't have what you can't
• 1:40:28
  have a class full of projects that have.
• 1:40:30
  You got to have a game-changing player in every class, A couple
• 1:40:37
  of them really to be, you know, too.
• 1:40:39
  Get back then I ain't saying like they have to be a five star
• 1:40:43
  player, but you have to have somebody who's ready to step in
• 1:40:47
  and play. Yeah, you can't, you can't be
• 1:40:50
  averaging at or under an 86 for your class class, average, every
• 1:40:55
  year, right? So and that's kind of weird.
• 1:40:58
  Virginia Tech has lived up until, you know, hopefully this,
• 1:41:02
  this, this cycle here, you know, since kind of what 2019 2018.
• 1:41:09
  And you can't live like that, but you look at it this list,
• 1:41:12
  I'm Thomas mentioned it in the comment there.
• 1:41:16
  I'm shocked not to see a UNC or a Texas A&M on this on this
• 1:41:22
  list. Yeah.
• 1:41:24
  So UNC is I haven't talking to them a ton.
• 1:41:27
  They probably recruit around like a top 15, 20 ish level and
• 1:41:31
  they're probably more like a you know top 35-ish program I think
• 1:41:34
  people over State you know how bad how bad it is.
• 1:41:37
  Like they did. They did.
• 1:41:38
  The orange ball in 2020. You know, they went and they
• 1:41:41
  went 95 laughs. You're like, yes it's they're
• 1:41:43
  not getting as much out of their talent but it's not like, you
• 1:41:45
  know, they're not a Trainwreck essentially by contrast, you
• 1:41:49
  know you look at a team like let's just say Florida State
• 1:41:52
  like if they were an absolute tire fire under really tagger
• 1:41:55
  and obviously Mike Norvell had to take a couple years to build
• 1:41:57
  up that offensive line. Like that's, that's a much much
• 1:42:00
  more dire situation. So, yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Obviously there's always, you know, degrees to it.
• 1:42:03
  All right. So you've got all here, the best
• 1:42:06
  coaches. So I want to hear What you got
• 1:42:09
  to say about what what are the best coaches as part of that?
• 1:42:14
  Yeah, I don't so I don't have to go for it, but I had to put up
• 1:42:16
  on my computer. So Troy Calhoun, it Air Force,
• 1:42:20
  Hugh, freeze Ken niumatalolo a lots of service category
• 1:42:24
  presentation on this list. Oh yeah, Josh heupel, Tennessee
• 1:42:28
  shot clock at appstate, Jeff Monken at army, Frank Soldier,
• 1:42:31
  Ohio, Scott Satterfield person called Wedding and him.
• 1:42:34
  So obviously, the one name that might stick out, there is Josh
• 1:42:37
  heupel, obviously he, you know, he did a great job with him
• 1:42:40
  hooker, a Tennessee that team last year, they actually
• 1:42:42
  weren't. I They were 21st and composite
• 1:42:44
  Talent. They finished, you know, top 61
• 1:42:47
  the orange ball against Clemson. I think he is a really really
• 1:42:51
  good offensive coach. Like people did not give him
• 1:42:52
  enough credit for the, for the job he did for the job.
• 1:42:56
  He did UCF. I know that obviously, tech
• 1:42:58
  fans, you know, feel very agreed with the way that things ended
• 1:43:00
  with the theater staff and hooker.
• 1:43:03
  But I also think that, you know, at some point we just to give
• 1:43:06
  credits hyphal because he is just a genius offensively like
• 1:43:10
  hooker really Thrive his system. I don't think he would have
• 1:43:12
  thrived a lot of it. That all things might be a cheat
• 1:43:15
  code. Yeah, why won't be interested to
• 1:43:18
  see what Tennessee does this year?
• 1:43:20
  With what? Joe Joe building at the Hume?
• 1:43:25
  I'm a big hinden guy. So I want to see what they
• 1:43:29
  produce, the same type of offense, this next year as they
• 1:43:33
  did last year, not saying, the hype was not a good coach
• 1:43:36
  because he is, but I don't think they replicate that success this
• 1:43:40
  year. That's just me, though.
• 1:43:43
  Yeah. Milton's issue was always
• 1:43:44
  concerned consistency, he was very inconsistent in the starts
• 1:43:47
  that he had before him and took over, and he had some up and
• 1:43:51
  down, starts last year, after hitting got injured so well, I
• 1:43:55
  mean, even they got, they got the quarterback in the, in the,
• 1:43:57
  in the him as well, right? The kid, they paid all the money
• 1:44:01
  to Niko Niko something, right? I think you're right here.
• 1:44:07
  Yes, I saw it back they got again.
• 1:44:09
  I mean they've recruited very well.
• 1:44:11
  They have the pieces to be Top 10 team.
• 1:44:16
  I just don't, you know, I've been around this area for a long
• 1:44:20
  time, so I'm not sold on the on the tendency is back thing yet.
• 1:44:25
  But if they are, I got to give hypo his his credit because
• 1:44:29
  they've been they've been working at it for a long time.
• 1:44:32
  They had that Alabama curse on him for a long time, man, 15
• 1:44:35
  years. It was what to me is what
• 1:44:37
  happens when you assure out a guy that won a national
• 1:44:40
  championship or two Bad seasons. Well, not anymore.
• 1:45:05
  Happen for a little while. Really, like you said, there's a
• 1:45:15
  balance there, there's a balance, you have to develop
• 1:45:18
  with where Tech needs to be 100%, but you keep saying that
• 1:45:22
  you keep saying like you've got to have developmental, but
• 1:45:25
  you've got to have guys that can come just play like that need
• 1:45:29
  minimal development, you know, to get to back where you need to
• 1:45:33
  be in and that's what it's going to take.
• 1:45:35
  It's going to take good recruiting classes and I'm not
• 1:45:38
  saying time valuations. Now, by all means if gave is
• 1:45:42
  saying we go to get a top 15 recruiting class and we get a
• 1:45:45
  top team, 15 recruiting class. I'll be dancing over here.
• 1:45:48
  Come December. Trust me.
• 1:45:50
  Y'all want to talk about an episode regardless?
• 1:45:52
  What happens in the season if we if there is a teen number next
• 1:45:56
  to us during the close our show with Jeremy?
• 1:46:02
  I don't know if I'll go fifth Evan Williams, but I'm going to
• 1:46:05
  get fit, come on, man. You could, we get if we get a
• 1:46:07
  team recruiting class, I'm coming to Virginia and we
• 1:46:11
  recording, I'm recording live. It one of y'all's house.
• 1:46:15
  I'm telling you right now. It might be that might be meet
• 1:46:18
  me at Shelton's house on this couch, but I'm coming to.
• 1:46:21
  Somebody's house is sort of the tally foot is only at the swag
• 1:46:34
  or the drip factor in Tally. What were the three that you
• 1:46:37
  feel like are the winds right now for us?
• 1:46:41
  You know the Players Lounge. That's that's that's a that's
• 1:46:45
  good performance and Nutrition Center and then the progress on
• 1:46:51
  the athletic Village, all of that stuff is is wins.
• 1:46:55
  You know what I'm saying? But we've got, we got some other
• 1:46:59
  stuff going to as far as like, Some of it needs some work which
• 1:47:05
  I know we're going to get to but it's getting better.
• 1:47:08
  So, what? We'll get to the stuff that
• 1:47:12
  needs work, but the Players Lounge and and all of the things
• 1:47:15
  that they've renovated is definitely good because you see
• 1:47:18
  the pictures of, you know, like everybody's taking pictures in
• 1:47:23
  the Players Lounge. Yes.
• 1:47:24
  You know, and I think we were taking pictures in a fucking
• 1:47:27
  basement for like seven years, it looked like Dungeons and
• 1:47:33
  Dragons. It's like what was going on.
• 1:47:36
  So now we taking pictures. We got fucking lights, warts,
• 1:47:39
  and all types of shit. But anyway, I'm gonna let
• 1:47:43
  somebody else jump in. Well, I sit and think about just
• 1:47:48
  the nutrition center where, you know, they have a place to go
• 1:47:51
  right? Right after they're done.
• 1:47:54
  That's a huge. When you're off the field.
• 1:47:55
  You're right there. You don't have to do anything
• 1:47:56
  else. It's all catered to you in the
• 1:48:00
  way. Merriman's getting built up with
• 1:48:02
  some of that stuff going on with those.
• 1:48:04
  And again, is that what's going to absolutely sway, a player,
• 1:48:09
  maybe not, but it's that thing is that it's like the first
• 1:48:13
  visit, right? It's like the first visit first
• 1:48:17
  time you go into a restaurant and things, look, shitty.
• 1:48:20
  Do you come back? I don't even care if the food
• 1:48:23
  was good, food was good, but I'm looking around and come back to
• 1:48:26
  this place again. But if the atmosphere is good, I
• 1:48:29
  mean, I like the way this, look the food to I'm coming back for
• 1:48:31
  the second visit, it may not be what ends them completely, but
• 1:48:35
  it probably gets them back in the door two or three more
• 1:48:37
  times. Yeah, I really can't started to
• 1:48:41
  rub. I really can't overstate how
• 1:48:42
  important the a nutritionist areas in particular.
• 1:48:44
  Like I've I've talked to on multiple coaches at BT and
• 1:48:48
  different sports. That have cited at the nutrition
• 1:48:50
  center is being like a big part of it.
• 1:48:52
  I know this is a somewhat well-documented, but like,
• 1:48:55
  before that was built, we had guys eating, you know, catering
• 1:48:58
  like Dominos, pizza and Jimmy, John's Subs, after practice.
• 1:49:01
  Like, that's that's that is what good?
• 1:49:09
  The north to build your body. So that having that there is
• 1:49:11
  huge, like, that's a huge part of text facilities upgrades.
• 1:49:15
  Yeah, I feel like we were like rested on that.
• 1:49:16
  Okay. We'll Regina you take dining
• 1:49:18
  facilities are like number one or number two in the country.
• 1:49:20
  Yeah, but if they're not even the right stuff, that's not
• 1:49:23
  getting any better on the field. Well, Focus getting fat.
• 1:49:26
  Not muscular Jimmy Jimmy Johnson's.
• 1:49:28
  Not getting you to get off the edge against the alignment.
• 1:50:31
  Your locker rooms like you home, man.
• 1:50:32
  Like you spent a lot of time in your locker, you know, and you
• 1:50:36
  see people like LSU that has a comfortable place for the
• 1:50:39
  players thats it, so they can take a nap.
• 1:50:44
  It's a big deal man. It's a big deal of dealing now
• 1:50:46
  with how social media Works which is another thing that's on
• 1:50:50
  the needs. Work with high social media
• 1:50:52
  works, you get your players and you get your recruits to do
• 1:50:57
  marketing for you. Marketing is a big thing.
• 1:50:59
  Thing for sales period. Like hate this, put recruiting
• 1:51:05
  with sales but that's what it is.
• 1:51:07
  So when somebody has this fucking thing right here and
• 1:51:10
  they're able to pop it out that they're paying God knows how
• 1:51:13
  much of a month for pop it out and take some cool videos, cool
• 1:51:17
  pictures and say, hey, I'm over here at Virginia Tech and then
• 1:51:21
  they got that name up there in lights, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 1:51:24
  blah, blah, that's cool. You know, we've been lacking
• 1:51:26
  that we've had, I think one time they show, Our locker rooms and
• 1:51:32
  it looked like fucking it looked like a clan fucking cross.
• 1:51:40
  I said, what the hell kind of what is that?
• 1:51:43
  You don't like our lockers is pitiful, man.
• 1:51:45
  So the locker rooms updated definitely that's good.
• 1:51:49
  That's coming. The social media has been doing
• 1:51:52
  better the general has. Yeah yeah and then that comes
• 1:51:59
  Along with the coaches giving access and things like that.
• 1:52:02
  So that's been better. And then the last one fucking
• 1:52:06
  uniforms man. Like I don't even think that
• 1:52:10
  I'll I do think that I uniforms a bad a little bit, but I think
• 1:52:15
  we have better combinations that we don't use.
• 1:52:20
  That's my problem. I think some of the combinations
• 1:52:23
  we have slick, he like, even when like All of these kids have
• 1:52:31
  been coming in in the recruits and stuff, go look at what
• 1:52:34
  they're wearing, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:52:36
  Like it ain't me. I mean, it is me.
• 1:52:39
  That's what I want, but you see what someone someone's got.
• 1:52:42
  The all-white song. Something all whites is
• 1:52:44
  definitely a big, the white helmets, different things like
• 1:52:47
  that. You see the guys wearing orange
• 1:52:49
  a whole Keystone sleeves. Like, yeah, we haven't thought
• 1:52:53
  about any of this shit. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:52:54
  Because I think we just had people with the mindset of They
• 1:52:59
  want to be a traditional school, but to be traditional, you have
• 1:53:03
  to have traditional wins, you have to have a winning
• 1:53:06
  tradition, we just don't have that, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:53:10
  You got to find other ways to be successful.
• 1:53:13
  So those uniforms are a big part of it, you know?
• 1:53:16
  Like again, none of that stuff matters.
• 1:53:18
  If you go out and you three and eight you have to year after
• 1:53:20
  year, but it plays a part in getting people to come?
• 1:53:24
  Well, I think to your point it's like I do like the traditional
• 1:53:27
  uniforms out the white It is when they hit the white.
• 1:53:30
  Perfect is tight. I mean, it's a Sleek.
• 1:53:33
  Look, I still love all the Rune. You can't roll out all the time,
• 1:53:38
  but to your point, the Orange is a couple years low looked great.
• 1:53:42
  Great. And still someone?
• 1:53:44
  Tell me in this crew here. Why haven't we won?
• 1:53:48
  Blackmore, I know the Boise State game was ass and it sucked
• 1:53:52
  at the end. But those uniforms go back.
• 1:53:55
  That was 2010. That's 12 13 years ago now.
• 1:53:57
  Yeah, those Uniformed, you could bring to today and they'd still
• 1:54:01
  be tight. They still have the uniforms on
• 1:54:04
  the uniforms. Do we work?
• 1:54:05
  What Frank's last game and Lane the black with the orange
• 1:54:10
  orange? Like those was nice uniforms,
• 1:54:13
  you know, it's just a variation man.
• 1:54:14
  And sometimes people need to see that.
• 1:54:17
  I think we need a fashion designer on the team.
• 1:54:21
  They can be me. I ate.
• 1:54:23
  Maybe they can pay me. 70 grand, I do it.
• 1:54:25
  I have us looking real. Like, they'll let me go.
• 1:54:28
  Okay, what about Sheldon? Brian y'all, y'all agree,
• 1:54:31
  anything else? You'll feel like needs work?
• 1:54:33
  Maybe doesn't need work or winning.
• 1:54:35
  I mean the uniforms to me, have become stale.
• 1:54:41
  I like so I'm a fan of the 99 Throwbacks.
• 1:54:44
  I think that's something that we should do every now and again.
• 1:54:47
  Hmm. But I think We need to, we need
• 1:54:51
  something fresh. Whether it's something kind of
• 1:54:54
  super clean. That's kind of been the trend
• 1:54:56
  lately or whether it's something more of a throwback to some of
• 1:55:02
  the uniforms we worn in the past, just kind of, you know,
• 1:55:07
  brought into a little more modern look now.
• 1:55:10
  But we need to get a out with the stupid straight behind the
• 1:55:14
  nameplate. Whatever the hell that trailing
• 1:55:17
  stripe is that that shit is goofy looking from behind.
• 1:55:20
  It looks a little better on the orange because it Blends in.
• 1:55:23
  But on the maroon it sticks out like a sore thumb, same with the
• 1:55:27
  white. So I'm not a big fan of that.
• 1:55:30
  I know it's like kind of a nod to this side that but it doesn't
• 1:55:35
  look good. I'm not a big fan of stripes in
• 1:55:37
  general, unless they're likes, tight, Pinstripes, or on the
• 1:55:41
  cuff of the of a sleeve, get the shoulder straps away, get the
• 1:55:46
  deck Stripes away, give me something clean and fresh.
• 1:55:50
  Good. Yeah, uniforms could definitely
• 1:55:53
  use a little tweak. I will also say with regards to
• 1:55:56
  facilities, they probably don't matter as much in the in the
• 1:56:00
  days of like the NIU because cars are getting paid, but you,
• 1:56:04
  you do need to have good facilities to win at a top-25
• 1:56:06
  level. Like they're, you know, that's
• 1:56:09
  that's kind of like a sort of rite of passage for every human
• 1:56:11
  wants to be successful in football to show two recruits
• 1:56:14
  and to fans and everything that you're committed to winning
• 1:56:16
  football. I think what s done, upgrading
• 1:56:18
  the facilities are last couple years have been fantastic with.
• 1:56:20
  The players are players l'orange.
• 1:56:22
  And just, you know, everything else will I G and everything.
• 1:56:24
  Like that's been really, really good.
• 1:56:26
  I think you're going to see hopefully that they often
• 1:56:27
  recruiting pretty soon. All right, Brian.
• 1:56:30
  Let's pitch it to you because the next one was kind of your
• 1:56:32
  big hot button topic and white. Why you feel like this is
• 1:56:36
  important man. Yeah, we're going to talk a
• 1:56:39
  little bit about NFL success and that's, that's been a big thing
• 1:56:44
  for me. I know I talked about a little
• 1:56:45
  bit earlier when I was talking about, kind of that culture in
• 1:56:48
  that identity, when we think about Virginia Tech, we think
• 1:56:53
  about again dual-threat, quarterback sacks that have a
• 1:56:57
  shot at making the league or get drafted into the league.
• 1:57:01
  We think about running backs that have some success in the
• 1:57:05
  NFL. We think about linebackers Hers.
• 1:57:08
  And obviously we think about BB you but I'm going to
• 1:57:14
  specifically point out the offensive player success in the
• 1:57:18
  NFL because I feel like in the last 10 12 years that's where we
• 1:57:21
  really fallen off a map. I think we still had some
• 1:57:24
  success. Getting those players to the NFL
• 1:57:27
  on the defensive side of the ball, we've really fallen off a
• 1:57:30
  map on the offensive side of the ball, your takeaway Khalil
• 1:57:34
  Herbert. We haven't had a running back,
• 1:57:36
  go to the NFL since David Wilson, you know, we look at
• 1:57:41
  outside of offensive line. We haven't really had high draft
• 1:57:44
  picks coming from that side of the ball in the last decade.
• 1:57:49
  So that's where we need to start seeing some traction if we're
• 1:57:53
  going to, I think take the next step because if you're not
• 1:57:57
  putting players into the NFL at skill positions on offense, it's
• 1:58:01
  really hard to attract them to play for your program.
• 1:58:05
  It's true man. And that's where it leads and
• 1:58:07
  you say the offensive players because we can all look and see
• 1:58:10
  for ourselves defensively. We've been putting guys, first
• 1:58:13
  film things. First, two day, picks
• 1:58:16
  consistently, the last decade, and it is going to take an
• 1:58:19
  offensive play. Do we, do we ever get one that
• 1:58:22
  clicks engine starts bringing that reputation back.
• 1:58:27
  But something else, you mentioned Brian.
• 1:58:29
  And what I love tonight. Gabe's interview, who do you
• 1:58:32
  say? He talked to Tremaine Tremaine.
• 1:58:36
  Oh yeah, it is a, that means. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
• 1:58:41
  And it's not only having players talk to them about who we are
• 1:58:46
  but then bringing them back. Yeah, and that's how you build a
• 1:58:52
  culture man. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:58:54
  It was like for so long, we heard so many players and so
• 1:58:57
  many, you know, former players talk about, you know, we haven't
• 1:59:01
  been welcome back or there's no open door policy.
• 1:59:04
  Or we can't get tickets. And we can't do this.
• 1:59:07
  We can't like, you're not hearing that right now.
• 1:59:10
  Do you know what I'm saying? You're not hearing that.
• 1:59:12
  It seems like everybody even though we had a rough season
• 1:59:15
  seems like everybody's still behind prior all last year.
• 1:59:19
  You know, we talked to the white, we talked to Lauren
• 1:59:21
  Johnson, which sent his kid or you know I ain't no place in.
• 1:59:26
  This kid is kid made his own choice Braylon Johnson to go to
• 1:59:30
  Virginia Tech but he, yeah, he blessed he blessed it, you know.
• 1:59:34
  And he Said, hey, I think these guys are going in the right
• 1:59:36
  direction. So you've got former players.
• 1:59:39
  The saying, hey, we got this thing, going back in the right
• 1:59:43
  direction. We just gotta give it a little
• 1:59:45
  bit of time, and we're going to be.
• 1:59:46
  All right, so Virginia Tech has always had that that DBU Mantra
• 1:59:56
  on it, you know, whatever people are going to argue, whatever,
• 2:00:00
  but should be LS, your should be this, but I will say I'm a
• 2:00:03
  Titans fan. And I was not excited about
• 2:00:06
  Caleb Farley getting drafted to the Titans just because I knew
• 2:00:10
  his injury history. But if he was at any other
• 2:00:13
  school besides Virginia Tech, he would have got drafted that
• 2:00:16
  high. That's just my opinion.
• 2:00:18
  I think the reputation of Virginia Tech developing
• 2:00:23
  cornerbacks as well as what he did on the field.
• 2:00:26
  When he did play played a part in him, get drafted that her, he
• 2:00:29
  would have been at a school. Like I just say, man, I don't
• 2:00:33
  know maybe Marilyn, North Carolina.
• 2:00:35
  I don't think he gets drafted. I don't think he gets drafted
• 2:00:38
  that. So we got to dig back into that
• 2:00:42
  to, you know, like I know that's not on there when we talk about
• 2:00:46
  offensive success. I mean, when we talk about NFL
• 2:00:48
  success, you're talkin my offense but we do got to dig
• 2:00:51
  back into that and then maybe some of those players when we
• 2:00:55
  get those I don't top 20 defensive again, top 15
• 2:01:01
  defensive defenses, the offense, has some players that flash and
• 2:01:07
  then, you know shit, we put some players in the lead because I
• 2:01:11
  know most Virginia Tech fans did not think that we wouldn't see
• 2:01:17
  Jerrod Evans in the league like watching him play that one
• 2:01:21
  season is like yeah he's going somewhere you know, everybody
• 2:01:25
  thought that but it's partly because of The defense, put them
• 2:01:29
  in positions as well. So, it's got to be an overall
• 2:01:32
  effort. They still gonna play
• 2:01:36
  complimentary football and that that goes back to having skill
• 2:01:40
  on both sides of the ball. There's one last piece I want to
• 2:01:45
  talk about it and I kind of made this my little baby as we were
• 2:01:48
  putting this together last few weeks and that's reputation.
• 2:01:52
  And, you know, the first thing I say is Blaine's always going to
• 2:01:57
  be like Loud. It always is, it doesn't matter,
• 2:02:01
  but I want it to be scary again for again, for our Heyday.
• 2:02:05
  Brian tally, it was scared teams, did not want to freaking
• 2:02:13
  come play here, and a lot of that was to the second point of
• 2:02:16
  we played nasty, you came here. You walked out with war wounds
• 2:02:21
  and to when I say so, making Lane scary again is almost like
• 2:02:24
  that same mentality of playing nasty hitting people.
• 2:02:28
  Being physical as hell, both on offense and defense their
• 2:02:32
  reputations, start building, and you're already inside that
• 2:02:36
  teams. Mind that they Sunday comes on
• 2:02:39
  and they see Virginia Tech's on the schedule, right?
• 2:02:42
  We got a man. We might beat them, but we're
• 2:02:44
  going to come home. We're going to be bloodied.
• 2:02:46
  Somebody's gonna go home with a broken bone.
• 2:02:47
  We will have busted ribs will be pleading.
• 2:02:50
  And then the last piece is y'all said it time and time again.
• 2:02:53
  Is I don't think DB use going anywhere.
• 2:02:56
  We look at what we've got now, with Jalen stroke at what we've
• 2:02:58
  got with Mansoor, some of those young guys coming in that's not
• 2:03:01
  going anywhere. Charges went to the league.
• 2:03:04
  It's true. Yes guys.
• 2:03:05
  Just want you to leave. It's not going anywhere.
• 2:03:09
  I'm going to pitch this to Sheldon and you talk about one
• 2:03:11
  of the parts reputation you want to come on Sheldon but take out
• 2:03:15
  defensive back. What's one position group?
• 2:03:17
  You wish the Hokies could consistently put studs out
• 2:03:20
  again. Hmm, I'll take may be offensive
• 2:03:25
  line, I mean, we have a while. Yeah, we love you.
• 2:03:31
  And we also had a, we had a good run of running back to email and
• 2:03:36
  Kevin Jones and all those guys. I think the skill thing, might
• 2:03:41
  partly be like, a different Graphics issue.
• 2:03:44
  Like how what's this go? I will tell in our recruiting
• 2:03:46
  gradius like, you know, I would imagine most of the scale tones,
• 2:03:50
  probably in like Florida, George California.
• 2:03:53
  Like what are we do? We have like Geographic
• 2:03:55
  proximity to a lot of good talented, quarterbacks and
• 2:03:58
  receivers and running backs like I'm Jin Liquors like because I
• 2:04:00
  don't know. I will say the overall
• 2:04:06
  quarterback Talent level in Virginia has kind of fallen off
• 2:04:10
  the mat so that that's that has hurt us.
• 2:04:14
  You know, probably Trace make soil is probably the last big
• 2:04:18
  name guy. Yeah seriously.
• 2:04:21
  Yeah. And so I mean the the talent
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  level at quarterback in the state has fallen off
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  significantly. That's hurt our ability to
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  Recruit skill position and sometimes it's hard to recruit
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  wide receiver. When you can't recruit a
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  high-level quarterback, especially when you try to lure
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  in state Talent. So I think one is beginning the
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  other here, obviously, we had some success with Jerrod
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  getting, you know, recruited there when winter came in.
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  And then hidden hooker Robeson was a talented quarterback from
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  North Carolina, but there really hasn't been a ton of in-state
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  town at the quarterback position.
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  Position and again a good while and it's definitely had been
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  consistent. Yeah, I don't you know just
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  thinking about recruiting and thinking about what we are.
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  I don't know many wide receivers or quarterbacks that'll just go,
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  you know. Hey I'm gonna go to Virginia
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  Tech and I'm going to the league like it's that's a hard sale
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  because that's just not who we are at the moment.
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  Maybe we can transition to that one day, but that's not us.
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  But what I'd like to see What I think we are is players like
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  Gabe Williams. Coming off the edge linebackers
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  and getting those defensive ends, get those dominant
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  defensive ends because for a while that we always had a
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  defensive end that people 100% had the game plan for, you know,
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  and even even some of the guys who didn't have long stints in
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  the league when they were there. They were very, very productive
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  at the defensive end position. So I think, if we can get back
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  to To consistently having that NFL caliber end at least one,
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  you know, of course you want more than one, but at least one,
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  I think that that, that takes us back to the old defense that we
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  had, you know what I'm saying? Even with like Trayvon hill, we
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  had trade run. He'll like, people had the game
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  plan for him. Yes, you know, you go back, you
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  talk about daddy. Nicholas James Gail World.
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  Kale world's, give me all this. Goes on and on just about the
• 2:06:32
  that that position Edge rusher. And I say defensive end, but I
• 2:06:36
  mean Ed Ruscha. So when you talk about, you
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  know, even Tremaine coming off, the end is fucking scary.
• 2:06:43
  You know what I'm saying? To have a linebacker that can
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  cover that much ground and put pressure on a, on a quarterback,
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  but also be a run stopper. We got to get back to having
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  some players like that. So I think that's the position
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  that we should focus the most on because that's what probably is.
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  He's come from Defense. He's come from being a
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  linebacker coach and we keep throwing that Michael Parsons
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  name. Not Michael Parsons name out.
• 2:07:06
  And then you already have people that you can point to that even
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  if he didn't coach him. Like, I think if Amare Bono had
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  come back, I think it would have helped him a lot.
• 2:07:17
  Uh-huh. You know, to sit a year under
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  Pride Marv, think it would help them buddy, he's in the league,
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  he made it, you know what I'm saying?
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  He's living his dream. So you can recruit a play and
• 2:07:28
  say, hey, this guy went to Virginia Tech Maribor know, give
• 2:07:32
  him on the phone, then you got your main it because those guys
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  like that that's the position right now that we can recruit at
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  and we can bring back pretty quick.
• 2:07:41
  You know, I'm hoping that we see Kelly Lawson, take that next
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  step and be one of those guys, as well.
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  So, if prior can, you know, live up to his living up to his
• 2:07:52
  reputation and get a couple of those guys to the next level,
• 2:07:55
  man, that'll that'll put Virginia Tech back on the map a
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  little bit. Where we need to be, in my
• 2:08:02
  opinion. Yeah, I mean, we talked about a
• 2:08:05
  little bit everything, you know, we talked about conference
• 2:08:07
  realignment, we talked about the administration and I
• 2:08:09
  overcrowding every player development drip, we talked
• 2:08:15
  about reputation, but the key to all of this is that we gotta win
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  some damn games, right? We go out there and win some
• 2:08:23
  games, some of these other things, get a lot easier and
• 2:08:27
  that's just going to compound upon itself until.
• 2:08:30
  You know, we can build ourselves back up to where we want to be.
• 2:08:32
  So, winning winning games, is going to go a long.
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  Way. Obviously, he is key and I think
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  Brian. Yep.
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  And I think the, I think the thing is, if we start winning
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  games, everything we discuss here tonight, you start seeing
• 2:08:44
  little checks, right? Mmm, and we we landed Gabe, some
• 2:08:49
  of those guys gaze been talking about we landed them and they
• 2:08:51
  came in and did it right away. Hey you remember that kid from
• 2:08:55
  Ohio tally didn't like he's the best damn defensive tackle on
• 2:08:59
  the team right now because they developed it right?
• 2:09:02
  It's like it. It's right.
• 2:09:04
  It's got to be a checkmark. It's got to be everything.
• 2:09:07
  I think all the stuff we hit on and we talk to her tonight.
• 2:09:10
  Y'all all done. Awesome.
• 2:09:12
  Hidden points if we start checking them.
• 2:09:16
  There's no reason we shouldn't win drink.
• 2:09:22
  Green. And if you start winning the
• 2:09:23
  games, there's no reason you can't get back into those
• 2:09:25
  conversations with some of those Elite Talent guys that we need
• 2:09:29
  to start those building blocks on that front.
• 2:09:33
  Because if you can win some games recruiting players to your
• 2:09:37
  program, gets a lot easier. I'm gonna just say it here.
• 2:09:40
  Now, I know we been running kind of long and we get ready to get
• 2:09:44
  out of here, but I want everybody in the twittersphere
• 2:09:48
  in all the social media world's to understand it all.
• 2:09:51
  Was one of the first to say this is going to be a good year.
• 2:09:55
  Y'all motherfuckers kept talking and saying we was going to be
• 2:09:59
  sorry and we couldn't recruit this.
• 2:10:01
  What happened? And now see you on the
• 2:10:04
  timelines. Having parties.
• 2:10:08
  Just telling you you need to think back to you boy, tally.
• 2:10:11
  And I told y'all it was coming. I still got that optimism.
• 2:10:16
  This is the year and again and ain't saying we back.
• 2:10:21
  Get us to A bowl game and we back in now baby.
• 2:10:24
  We good finally save you. Not keeping that same energy,
• 2:10:27
  take the Mona. All right, boys.
• 2:10:31
  Anything, anything breaking breaking breaking for me?
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  I just want to tell Shelton, man.
• 2:10:39
  Have a safe trip. Yeah, don't be out there
• 2:10:42
  wrestling. No bears and mountain lions and
• 2:10:44
  nothing. Hey, you know, I know how white
• 2:10:47
  people do when y'all get in nature.
• 2:10:51
  Hey, Be like me. You hear a strange noise.
• 2:10:54
  You go to other way. Yeah, we'll see.
• 2:10:58
  I guess I got a small pocket knife.
• 2:10:59
  That's all I got. So they can do a whole lot of
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  damn police. You got something well, shall
• 2:11:06
  men, we appreciate you. Taking shelter was on vacation.
• 2:11:10
  He said he's on take the two hours, right man, for doing that
• 2:11:14
  tonight because you added a ton with that development and your
• 2:11:16
  other comments again, safe travels back to the Commonwealth
• 2:11:21
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