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Episode 282: Spoils Of War (SG-A 4.12) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: At the end two Gate episode two hundred and eighty
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Speaker 1: two talking Stargate Atlantis. Mitch, Maddie, y'all, that's who we
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Speaker 1: are doing, and we continue to be.
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Speaker 2: Well for now, at least at least for today, I
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Speaker 2: can confirm that is who you remain.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, hey, anything.
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Speaker 2: Could happen tomorrow. It might be Mitch. Who knows. Wow,
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Speaker 2: do you want that like a different Mitch or it
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Speaker 2: depends on the day.
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Speaker 1: You really want to be something of you look at that.
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Speaker 1: You look at me and go, hey, I want to
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Speaker 1: be that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to wake up at four am, go
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Speaker 2: to work. It's been my weekend taking the kid.
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Speaker 1: It's the sport, you know. The thing is I have
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Speaker 1: a laugh about it. And then can I send people
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Speaker 1: like you know that don't do that? You being one
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Speaker 1: of those friends, and I'll update them what I'm doing.
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Speaker 1: They go, oh, yeah, that sounds awful. I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I dare you? No, you love what I do?
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Speaker 2: You love it?
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Speaker 1: Drive off it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm already looking at this weekend just being like, ah,
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Speaker 1: we've got to nine thirty, you know, drop off of soccer,
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Speaker 1: but you know, in one suburb and then three four
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Speaker 1: suburbs over. We've got a nine to fifty basketball game. Oh,
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Speaker 1: can we make it?
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Speaker 2: And then I can test and then I can take
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Speaker 2: them home. That night we can watch eight games of football.
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Speaker 1: Stomach, Margaretcha, it's a bit like that. Maybe I would
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Speaker 1: rather watch it nine nine thirty nine thirty soccer, nine
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Speaker 1: fifty twelve twenty and two pm basketball and then there's
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Speaker 1: a three pm, five thirty seven thirty NRL that night.
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Speaker 1: Like my day's made, mate, Like.
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Speaker 2: It sounds horrible. God, So yeah, tomorrow, on that day,
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Speaker 2: I will definitely not be Mitch.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe day that's where that's that's where I thrive. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: we're talking Stargate Atlantis. I've already said that season four,
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Speaker 1: episode number twelve, Spoils of War, that's it. The old
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Speaker 1: synopsis says, when the team follows a tracking signal to
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Speaker 1: a damaged time shift drifting in space, they discover references
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Speaker 1: to a secret Wraith space written by Ali m that's
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Speaker 1: very short. They discover references to what, like you know,
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Speaker 1: that's what our podcast has become on some episodes just
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Speaker 1: become references to other things.
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Speaker 2: Well manch was the first time.
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Speaker 3: Uh anyway, I'm sorry, but that just happens to be
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Speaker 3: how I feel about it.
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Speaker 4: What do you think? What? What do you think?
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Speaker 2: It's an unedited pause. It's an unedited pause.
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Speaker 1: I mean every time I click on it and then
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Speaker 1: it comes up long and I'm like, ah, yeah, it
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Speaker 1: is the it is the longer one. Yeah, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean it was. I mean one. You know they're going
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Speaker 1: off to find it. This is where we get the name, right,
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Speaker 1: this is where we get the name name.
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Speaker 2: Finally, say it. I can, finally, without any regrets, say
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Speaker 2: Todd to Tod, toddd Todd. This is God to Tod,
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Speaker 2: Tony to Tod Todd.
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Speaker 1: Now, look, I know, I know that it's not the
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Speaker 1: show's fault. The show didn't high part what we're going
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Speaker 1: to call this guy, But considering like the misplaced maybe
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Speaker 1: secrecy around his name from you and Brendan to me
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Speaker 1: for so long and then it gets here, is like,
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna call him? I don't know Todd,
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Speaker 1: you know, just like so it's such a throwaway and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, you know, Maddie, I had to make
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Speaker 1: it what two more? What two three? Episod so to
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Speaker 1: go and you just casually say Todd And then after
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Speaker 1: about five seconds you realize what you like, Oh, I've
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Speaker 1: made a horrible mistake.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it's this long. Like if you
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Speaker 2: think about, like he was introduced last season, and he's
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Speaker 2: been in a lot of episodes this season, so the
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Speaker 2: fact that it's finally now they're like, oh, I guess
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Speaker 2: we should give him a name. Yeah. John's was like,
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Speaker 2: let's not call him a friend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't go on the Wraith not a friend. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I knew a pale guy when I was growing up.
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Speaker 1: Let's just call him Todd brilliant. Yeah, like going off
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Speaker 1: to track in and it's such a like in those moments,
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Speaker 1: if that's at any other stage of the episode, they're
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Speaker 1: probably not doing that. But because it's like, well, we
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Speaker 1: need to get to a certain place for this story.
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Speaker 1: How do we get there? Well, they get a tracking
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Speaker 1: signal sent out from the Wraith. Yeah, let's go and
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Speaker 1: see why he's still like got that flicked on, like
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Speaker 1: that guy who we cannot absolutely trust, of course, but
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Speaker 1: let's just go and see if maybe we can get
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Speaker 1: the jump on him getting the jump on us, because
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Speaker 1: we're curious and we're three minutes into the episode, so
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Speaker 1: you know, and then to get there go down to
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Speaker 1: the planet or it was a planet or a moon.
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Speaker 1: What are we talking about here, Let's just call it
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Speaker 1: a plant. You know what I guess in Stargate anywhere
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Speaker 1: they go really is a planet Star Wars. You're dip
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Speaker 1: it in between moons and plants, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what I mean. There was that one episode of
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Speaker 2: s G one where it was a moon. Remember it
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Speaker 2: was instead of P three x something something something. He
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Speaker 2: was m yeah, seven, it was where all the little
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Speaker 2: fireflies were.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very rare. Though it's very rare. They go
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Speaker 1: down there and they run into I mean, like I
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Speaker 1: know that Rodney joked that he was never going to
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Speaker 1: sleep again, but that was some pretty horror movie type
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Speaker 1: shit that that guy coming out of the the the
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Speaker 1: cocoon and he's just sitting there and just got all
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Speaker 1: the other sack juice all over him and like almost
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Speaker 1: like a faceless from the top half and just this
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Speaker 1: sort of gangly jaw, and then they strap over one
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Speaker 1: of the little brain masks over his face and gas
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Speaker 1: and I realized, like I know, i'd ask you guys,
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Speaker 1: maybe once we hit season two, I don't fully understand,
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Speaker 1: you know, it is my first watch through. I haven't
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Speaker 1: ever re watched episodes. I haven't gotten to this way,
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Speaker 1: you know, halfway through season four and went, yeah, I've
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Speaker 1: rewatched seasons one and two three or four times. No,
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Speaker 1: I haven't. I've watched each episode once, so I'm still
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Speaker 1: a bit.
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Speaker 2: Some of them.
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Speaker 1: Never, yeah, Atlanta's some pretty good. I've seen everything up
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Speaker 1: until this point. But you know, you never know, you
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Speaker 1: never know, you luck I don't understand. You know, you've
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Speaker 1: got the Wraith Queens, You've got the other Wraith, and
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Speaker 1: then you've got these guys that seem to have like
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Speaker 1: Wraith hair, but then they wear these weird masks and
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Speaker 1: you can't ever see their face, and so I'm like, well,
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Speaker 1: what are they and why do they do that? At
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Speaker 1: what stage of the evolution are they? I don't know
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Speaker 1: what's going on, and I don't remember. And I don't
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Speaker 1: mean this is as a criticism to you or Brendan,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like I actually didn't get a clear answer,
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Speaker 1: and so I thought, well, sometimes when that happens, it's
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Speaker 1: because I'm not meant to know yet. But I feel
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Speaker 1: like three and a half seasoned into a show, and
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Speaker 1: this happens, I'm like, so, is this how these guys
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Speaker 1: you know, they RUCKI they sort of peel out of
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Speaker 1: growing in the ground and you peel the egg off
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Speaker 1: them and there they are. But I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: I know that there's thousands of them, so that was
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Speaker 1: kind of frightening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. The reason you don't have an answer
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Speaker 2: to why Brannan I couldn't give you an answer is because
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Speaker 2: there isn't really an answer. I don't know that we
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Speaker 2: ever get a specificity of the difference between the scab
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Speaker 2: faces and like the talkie lieutenant guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and weird though, like three and a half seasons in,
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Speaker 1: we've got very clear distinctions between what they look like
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Speaker 1: and like you said, how they communicate, and it's just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're just different. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean even in the in the audio commentary,
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Speaker 2: they talk about how the cloning thing is something they're
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Speaker 2: trying to set up for later on. There was a
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Speaker 2: massive spoiler in the in the audio commentary, like, oh
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Speaker 2: my god, like if you'd have listened.
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Speaker 1: To because they recorded it at the end of the season,
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Speaker 1: So spoiler for this season or what they.
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Speaker 2: Were for this Basically they basically spoiled the season finale
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Speaker 2: this episode in the audio commentary, because yeah, this is
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Speaker 2: all recorded afterwards, so yeah, I'm so glad you listen
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Speaker 2: to that. But basically what they said is is they
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Speaker 2: they want they had an idea of what they wanted
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Speaker 2: to do with some cloning at the end of the season,
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Speaker 2: but they didn't want to just magically have cloning be
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Speaker 2: a thing. And they also like, well, we also have
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Speaker 2: an explored you know, how the Wraith approcreate or anything
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Speaker 2: like that, so they kind of combine those two things.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, they kind of saying this episode the Queen,
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Speaker 2: the queen can't make all of all of those drones
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Speaker 2: on her own. She just makes a couple and then
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Speaker 2: they're in a cloning facility where they're being cloned. And
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Speaker 2: that's how they won against the ancients back in the
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Speaker 2: days because they had a ZPM ZZPM and we're able
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Speaker 2: to increase their numbers so much more than what queens
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Speaker 2: would normally be capable of doing. But yeah, I don't
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Speaker 2: and again season four and five, my blind spot when
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Speaker 2: it comes to knowledge and stuff like that. I don't
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Speaker 2: believe we ever get a resolution to the difference between
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Speaker 2: a scab face and like a like a talky smart one.
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Speaker 2: But I think the insinuation is just that it's kind
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Speaker 2: of like it's like an insect colony. It's like sometimes
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Speaker 2: a queen is born, sometimes something else is born. So
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Speaker 2: I think it might just be a kind of I mean,
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Speaker 2: look at you. You've got dark hair. Both your sibblings
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Speaker 2: have got sort of blondish hair, you know. So I
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Speaker 2: think it all just comes down to like what sort
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Speaker 2: of genetic material there is. And I don't know whether
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Speaker 2: the queen intentionally built, like deposits herb genetic material. That
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Speaker 2: sounds so great it does and is like in the
9:21
Speaker 2: same way you're like, boy, boy boy, really tall boy,
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Speaker 2: that she's not like hoping for a drone versus a
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Speaker 2: non drone or something like that. I don't know. They
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Speaker 2: just get what they're given and then obviously then they
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Speaker 2: get cloned and that's you know, that's how So Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I did like when you talk at the the ZZPM
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Speaker 1: that the start of this and because this was the
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Speaker 1: return episode, right, they went on break and no, this
9:45
Speaker 1: is the second episode back. This is the second episode back. Yeah,
9:48
Speaker 1: so we get that sort of big thing happening last
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Speaker 1: week and then this one comes and starts by going, well,
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Speaker 1: this is what else was going on towards the end
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Speaker 1: of last episode, and I like, I kind of like
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Speaker 1: back when shows do that, it's not reck Connie, it's
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Speaker 1: not trying to find a convenient way of doing it.
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Speaker 1: It's just you know, like a couple of weeks ago,
10:07
Speaker 1: if we're you know, if you're watching it live, the
10:09
Speaker 1: Last of Us and you get so I think it
10:12
Speaker 1: was the penultimate episode of that series, of the season,
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Speaker 1: and it shows a lot of scenes that we've already
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Speaker 1: watched in the show, but shows someone else's point of view,
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Speaker 1: you know, the full ob one treatment, and it gives
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Speaker 1: different context to why certain decisions were made, certain actions
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Speaker 1: were taken. And we didn't really get that hinted at
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Speaker 1: in the big battle sequence when all the replicators were
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Speaker 1: getting you know, trying to find a word that's not
10:38
Speaker 1: going to give you a some low hanging fruit, like
10:41
Speaker 1: they all get sucked in, but that's good of what happened.
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Speaker 1: They all get dusted and you know, and they all
10:45
Speaker 1: started you know, magnet dazing toward each other. And then
10:48
Speaker 1: in this it's like, yeah, while that was going on,
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Speaker 1: you had Todd and his crew. You don't wanting to
10:53
Speaker 1: get out of there, and he's like, not until I
10:54
Speaker 1: get what I came for. And then you know, what
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Speaker 1: could you what could possibly be more important than get
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Speaker 1: away from a planet that's about to explode. And then
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Speaker 1: right at the last second they just bring in and
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Speaker 1: he's got two z pms. Yeah, like, holy ship.
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Speaker 2: That satchel was terrible though, the satchel that was really bad.
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Speaker 1: So it looked in case it looked like a little
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Speaker 1: leather satchel that just had the extra layers. Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is an organic satchel because everything we make is organic.
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Speaker 2: Terrible, terrible, But yeah, so there was there's some there's
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Speaker 2: some weird stuff with that, so that that opening scene,
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Speaker 2: parts of that were in last week's episode. Like during
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Speaker 2: the battle, we did cut to Todd's YE five that
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Speaker 2: was filmed for this episode. It was never intended to
11:36
Speaker 2: be in last week's episode. They only filmed it for
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Speaker 2: this but then inserted it into the almost in remembered
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Speaker 2: wlaying a few seeds or something just didn't give you
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Speaker 2: the full Yeah, didn't give you.
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Speaker 1: It was just his perspective, right, It wasn't ever like
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Speaker 1: he didn't ever suggest in last week's episode. Unless my
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Speaker 1: memory fails me, that It's not like you didn't get
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Speaker 1: resolution of what he was doing when they cut to
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Speaker 1: him at the end.
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Speaker 2: Of last They never they never set it up, and
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Speaker 2: at the end of the battle, the Raith just left.
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Speaker 2: They never met at the rendezvous point. So the fun
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Speaker 2: factors I was telling you last week is Todd wasn't
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Speaker 2: like the actor Christopher Heydel wasn't actually in last week's
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Speaker 2: episode because obviously he wasn't available, and the other guy
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Speaker 2: put on his makeup. So that's why Todd was in
12:17
Speaker 2: those scenes because they were filmed as part of this
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Speaker 2: episode and insert into last week's. But the fun part
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Speaker 2: is in those scenes, the little lieutenant that was closer
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Speaker 2: to screen that was saying things and the one that
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Speaker 2: brought in the terrible satchel bag. That's the guy that
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Speaker 2: played Todd last week. Oh yeah, that same guy. So
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Speaker 2: there was all that element of it, yeah, which I
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Speaker 2: thought was was really interesting. And then I just I
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Speaker 2: love the fact that the Wraith were playing four D chess,
12:42
Speaker 2: like I think one of the downsides and I think
12:44
Speaker 2: it's one of the things that the fans were kind
12:46
Speaker 2: of like ah about from last week's episode. As great
12:49
Speaker 2: as be all my sins is there were all those
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Speaker 2: just empty Aurora class ships just floating around that planet
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Speaker 2: that no one thought to beam onto when and get
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Speaker 2: out of there before the planet imploded, and then yet
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Speaker 2: obviously an entire planet of zzpms if you think about it,
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Speaker 2: Ronan and Rodney their team beam down to you know,
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Speaker 2: set the bombs and stuff like that, they could have
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Speaker 2: sent down five more teams to other ZPM rooms to
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Speaker 2: like take them and grab them. But then, obviously, if
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Speaker 2: suddenly by this week's episode, Atlantis has a fleet of
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Speaker 2: Auroral class ships and as many zzpms as they need,
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Speaker 2: we're playing the game on easy at that point, and
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Speaker 2: there's no there's no real peril. They can't really, you know.
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Speaker 2: So I get it from a writing point of view,
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Speaker 2: but it's still a little bit like, ah, so when
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Speaker 2: you see the fact that the Wraith were thinking that,
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Speaker 2: and you could argue that all the humans were like, well, no,
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Speaker 2: we need to focus more on destroying the replicators than
13:45
Speaker 2: trying to steal shit from them. You know, we can't.
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Speaker 2: We can't split our resources, you know that far or
13:50
Speaker 2: as the Wraith of the show, yes you can, ye.
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Speaker 2: So Yeah, I like the fact that it was you know,
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Speaker 2: at least we can see that the Wraith are ruthless
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Speaker 2: enough that yeah, they they fought in the battle and
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Speaker 2: they helped, but they're all so Todd in particular was yeah,
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Speaker 2: serving his own his own purposes and yeah, and then
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Speaker 2: it expands on the story of how the Wraith did
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Speaker 2: overwhelm the ancients back in the day by using this
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Speaker 2: this secret facility.
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Speaker 1: He took it like the forty chess. I guess at
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Speaker 1: what stage did he come up with that plan? Because
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Speaker 1: he's been held on Atlantis and then they, you know,
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Speaker 1: bring him into the Fold and say, look, this is
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Speaker 1: what's going on. He's like, I can kind of help.
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Speaker 1: They bring him to help, and then he you know,
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Speaker 1: he has to take them to other Wraith, which he
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Speaker 1: stays with is all part of the plan. Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And then as we see at the start of this episode, oh,
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Speaker 1: when he was there, he had already other plans in
14:38
Speaker 1: place to go down steal some ZPMs. And then he's like,
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Speaker 1: we came for this, you know, not until we get
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Speaker 1: what we came for. Okay, why do you need that.
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Speaker 1: The next time we see him, he's being held prisoner,
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Speaker 1: and we get lines between what the queen and the
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Speaker 1: other like her minions about.
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Speaker 2: The one that betrayed him. There was a line like
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Speaker 2: the guy that played Todd last week, he was in
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Speaker 2: this episode. He was like the tenant that betrayed Todd
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Speaker 2: to this queen.
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Speaker 1: And so what it was his? Yeah, that's I mean,
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Speaker 1: like the at what stage did he come up with
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Speaker 1: the plan and does he fill in his people about
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Speaker 1: what he's going to use it for? Then that guy
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Speaker 1: betrays him to the queen, but they let him do
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Speaker 1: all the you know, scientific work to make it happen,
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Speaker 1: bring over the giant battery, plug it all in so
15:21
Speaker 1: that she can then start doing what she needs to do.
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Speaker 1: And then okay, a lot of nice way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Yes deposit no.
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Speaker 2: Deposit genetic material.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so like, yeah, the backstabbing of backs stabbing going
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Speaker 1: on in this episode, And.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could you could like what do
15:38
Speaker 2: you call it, what not retrofit? You could retcon. You
15:41
Speaker 2: can retcon it to be like when we took Todd
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Speaker 2: and he had the meeting to get the other hives,
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Speaker 2: he said he could bring twelve hives to the battle,
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Speaker 2: and then that only seven have actually came or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And he said, not all of our hives have queens.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. I think during that meeting,
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Speaker 2: like my head canon is during that meeting, because all
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Speaker 2: the raiths will be like, why do we want to help?
16:03
Speaker 2: Why do we care? I mean, obviously in that episode,
16:06
Speaker 2: us as viewers go, oh, well, the reason the rath
16:07
Speaker 2: of helping is because the replicators are destroying their food sauce,
16:11
Speaker 2: so they you know, whereas I think, yeah, Todd's way
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Speaker 2: to get them over the line was like, well, here's
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Speaker 2: my plan while this is going on, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: send down teams and wigas steels these EPMs and then
16:21
Speaker 2: we're going to be able to access the Sacred Cloning
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Speaker 2: facility and blah blah blah blah blah. So I'd like
16:25
Speaker 2: to think that one of those queen, like the queen
16:28
Speaker 2: that we saw in this episode, was probably at the
16:31
Speaker 2: battle last week. She was one of the queens in
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Speaker 2: the hive or something like that. But the only thing
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Speaker 2: that I can't figure out is why the lieutenant would
16:37
Speaker 2: have quote unquote betrayed Todd in that regard, like because
16:43
Speaker 2: I feel like Todd couldn't have couldn't have cloned them
16:48
Speaker 2: without it, Like Todd needed a queen. As far as
16:50
Speaker 2: I can understand from the episode, he couldn't have done
16:54
Speaker 2: Like they couldn't have created an army without a queen.
16:57
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I feel like Todd not the kind
16:59
Speaker 2: of guy that's to use the queen and kill a
17:01
Speaker 2: queen because queens are too valuable and too important.
17:03
Speaker 1: So and it's not like, yeah, he's completely betrayed his race,
17:06
Speaker 1: That's what's so Like, you never know which side they're
17:09
Speaker 1: going to be on because of the situation they've been
17:11
Speaker 1: put in with the replicators and all that sort of stuff,
17:13
Speaker 1: and me in our battle, they obviously want to take
17:15
Speaker 1: us over. When the replicators, you know, emerged, it obviously
17:18
Speaker 1: sped things up a little bit. But you know, and
17:22
Speaker 1: some times when you see these stories where you get
17:25
Speaker 1: someone that is betrayed by their own people, they then join,
17:28
Speaker 1: you know, by the bad guys. They join the good
17:29
Speaker 1: guys and they swear off you know, they're old people.
17:32
Speaker 1: They've joined us officially, blah blah blah. In this Todd
17:36
Speaker 1: also wants to kill the other wraith, like, like he said,
17:38
Speaker 1: he wants to be able to, you know, use certain
17:40
Speaker 1: things to be able to kill a bunch of other
17:41
Speaker 1: different you know, factions, because that's where they've gotten to
17:45
Speaker 1: at this point, is that there's not enough food for
17:47
Speaker 1: the Wraith out there, so they need to kill the
17:48
Speaker 1: other race so that they can keep the food for themselves.
17:51
Speaker 1: So it's not like we can see him when we
17:52
Speaker 1: free him and go, well, we've given him a human
17:54
Speaker 1: name now for a show, and we have seen that
17:58
Speaker 1: he has been betrayed again by his own people, his
18:01
Speaker 1: own kind, you know what, And I reckon he knows that. Well,
18:04
Speaker 1: we probably want to kill him, but we're also not
18:06
Speaker 1: just going to do that out of spite. We kind
18:08
Speaker 1: of need a reason, you know, We've got our own
18:10
Speaker 1: morals and all that sort of things. So, you know what,
18:12
Speaker 1: he'll reluctantly join up to us, just because that's how
18:14
Speaker 1: this stuff usually works narratively in a TV show. You
18:17
Speaker 1: still got to think, well, no, your end game is
18:19
Speaker 1: his end game too. He just doesn't want to be
18:21
Speaker 1: part of yours. You guys want to stop all the Wraith.
18:23
Speaker 1: He wants to be part of the Wraith. It isn't stopped,
18:25
Speaker 1: but he wants to stop the rest of them. So
18:27
Speaker 1: we can't trust him, even though that's usually how this
18:29
Speaker 1: sort of shit goes. I don't know, it's that whole.
18:32
Speaker 2: The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing. Yeah,
18:35
Speaker 2: they're kind of like, well, we both have a similar
18:38
Speaker 2: goal here, so we will work together for It's like,
18:40
Speaker 2: what the what Survivor calls now? Like, remember it's Survivor.
18:43
Speaker 2: Back in the day, it was always like you would
18:44
Speaker 2: have an alliance and stuff like that, and now they
18:46
Speaker 2: call it voting blocks. Apparently in the new sort of
18:51
Speaker 2: wave of Survivor. It's like, well, we're not going to
18:53
Speaker 2: create an alliance that is going to take us from
18:56
Speaker 2: the beginning to the end. It's just for this next
18:58
Speaker 2: vote we are as a block. But after that vote,
19:02
Speaker 2: who knows what's going to happen because.
19:03
Speaker 1: Every already knows the game. Yeah yeah by now, Yeah,
19:06
Speaker 1: it's like a computer learning against Yeah.
19:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I feel like that's kind of what we
19:10
Speaker 2: are with with Todd. It's like, well, when when now
19:14
Speaker 2: goal is a ligne, we will work with him, but
19:17
Speaker 2: we know that we at the end of the day,
19:18
Speaker 2: we can't trust him, and you know, it comes down
19:20
Speaker 2: to it, he will he will kill us.
19:22
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day he took off right,
19:24
Speaker 1: like he's essentially by himself.
19:26
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, he took off in a dart.
19:29
Speaker 1: He's in a dart. We abandoned ship and took off
19:32
Speaker 1: in the in the puddle jumper and we are zz
19:36
Speaker 1: PM less, right, But that was the mission was to
19:39
Speaker 1: go and find it. But in the end it was like, no,
19:41
Speaker 1: we're actually got a bail, Like this is getting real bad.
19:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again, and I think I think, and that's
19:45
Speaker 2: why this episode, like I don't mind it, but I
19:47
Speaker 2: also forget about it a lot because I think it
19:50
Speaker 2: is in a lot of ways a repeat of last
19:53
Speaker 2: week in that at the start of the episode we
19:56
Speaker 2: have a hive, we got a hive, and then we
20:00
Speaker 2: have to use that hive to destroy this base and
20:04
Speaker 2: take out the zzzpms and all that kind of stuff.
20:06
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of like again, just doing it
20:11
Speaker 2: different then. Yeah. So but apparently that the shot, just
20:16
Speaker 2: that little five second shot of the hive crashing into
20:18
Speaker 2: the oil on the planet got the audio commentary that
20:21
Speaker 2: cost them forty grand what yeah Jesus, Yeah, good old
20:25
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight CGI prices look good.
20:27
Speaker 1: Though, like I did, I forgot where the lieutenant guy was,
20:31
Speaker 1: where he was in the in the story at that moment,
20:34
Speaker 1: because when they're like the ship, they're pointing it right
20:36
Speaker 1: at us, I'm like, yeah, but you've also been firing
20:38
Speaker 1: at them for ages I'm thinking of I was looking
20:40
Speaker 1: at a Wraith in the other ship. Yeah, and now
20:42
Speaker 1: we're almost like gonna well, I mean, camacaze. It's sure.
20:46
Speaker 1: I didn't think about the fact that they were going
20:47
Speaker 1: to do that aiming towards the thing in the ground.
20:49
Speaker 1: So yeah, you saught they might have taken on the
20:51
Speaker 1: other other ship, and who knows what they're going to
20:54
Speaker 1: do with that, But yeah, that was a good way
20:56
Speaker 1: to wrap it up.
20:56
Speaker 2: It's logistically you got to think about it. It's because
20:58
Speaker 2: there were some issues that people had with the episode
21:01
Speaker 2: in terms of just a few little clunky bits, but
21:05
Speaker 2: it's because of the you know, the destruction of the
21:07
Speaker 2: base at the end. Because on the scanners we see
21:11
Speaker 2: Todd's ship or Todd's transponder on a ship and it's
21:14
Speaker 2: like it's an our sublight from the nearest gate or whatever.
21:17
Speaker 2: So we take a puddle jumper go and find him,
21:23
Speaker 2: park the puddle jumper on that on Todd's Wraith ship
21:28
Speaker 2: that's empty or whatever, and then Taylor pilots and we go.
21:32
Speaker 2: We jump to another planet, and that planet is where
21:36
Speaker 2: the base is. But that base already has a gate
21:39
Speaker 2: in orbit around it, so technically, if we'd known the address,
21:41
Speaker 2: we could have just gated there straight away, but they
21:43
Speaker 2: needed that as the getaway plan because we'd hyperspaced from
21:47
Speaker 2: where Todd was to this planet. But then yeah, someone
21:51
Speaker 2: was like, well, why didn't they just you know, escape
21:54
Speaker 2: through the gate, And why didn't the Hive ship just
21:57
Speaker 2: like our hiveh ship. Why did we just fly the
21:58
Speaker 2: back to Atlantis and John could have escaped through the
22:02
Speaker 2: gate in the puddle jumper. It's like, well, because then
22:04
Speaker 2: the facility with the zzpms would have they couldn't destroy it,
22:07
Speaker 2: so that's why. So yeah, so by us destroying the
22:12
Speaker 2: Raith facility with our commandeered hive, by having the gate
22:16
Speaker 2: in orbit, we were still able to escape because there
22:19
Speaker 2: was the other the Queen's Hive was still in orbit.
22:22
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a lot of sort of jumping
22:25
Speaker 2: back and forward, the going wait and then this one
22:26
Speaker 2: and then move and so it's just a lot of
22:28
Speaker 2: chess pieces moving around and had to keep track off.
22:30
Speaker 1: And it feels like a bit of a panic decision
22:32
Speaker 1: as well. The idea, Like you said, they've got a
22:34
Speaker 1: big ship, there's zs EPMs down there. But it's like,
22:37
Speaker 1: you know what, what's the lesser of two evils here?
22:41
Speaker 1: And it was sacrificing those three things to be able
22:45
Speaker 1: to destroy that base and that entire facility. It's not
22:48
Speaker 1: like putting it out of action. Now, what's still the
22:50
Speaker 1: zse EPMs. Cool? If they find another one, you know,
22:53
Speaker 1: we've got to take out the whole thing.
22:54
Speaker 2: So but knowing that the ancients fell because of the numbers,
22:56
Speaker 2: because of this cloning facility when they were at full
22:58
Speaker 2: power and there were like, yeah, no, we've got to
23:01
Speaker 2: get rid of that. Something to deccurre to me though,
23:03
Speaker 2: was watching this episode in the like previously on They
23:06
Speaker 2: did it previously on, like for last week's episode where
23:08
Speaker 2: Rodney came up with the idea instead of separating the
23:11
Speaker 2: bonds of the replicators, to suck them off and put
23:14
Speaker 2: them into the into the into the big you know,
23:17
Speaker 2: the big glob. Does that technically make McKay smarter than
23:22
Speaker 2: the ancients because the ancients never came up with that.
23:25
Speaker 2: If you think about it, our guns the were they
23:29
Speaker 2: ARGs the anti replicator guns. They are based off the
23:32
Speaker 2: one that Jack made when he had the ancient repository
23:35
Speaker 2: of knowledge put into his brain and he made that.
23:38
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you could argue that it's like, well,
23:40
Speaker 2: he's a colonel. Even with all the ancient knowledge in
23:42
Speaker 2: his brain, he's still thinking of give me a weapon,
23:44
Speaker 2: give me a weapon. But as far as we're aware
23:47
Speaker 2: the ancients, that's based on ancient technology of separating the bonds.
23:51
Speaker 2: As far as we know, the ancients have never thought
23:53
Speaker 2: of Rodney's idea of amalgamating them all into one, into
23:57
Speaker 2: one thing. The flip side of that is obviously when
23:59
Speaker 2: the uh Asguard we're fighting like the bug replicators and
24:05
Speaker 2: they were like, well, we never we never conceived the
24:07
Speaker 2: idea of you know, a combustion propelled piece of metal,
24:11
Speaker 2: Like that's so low. So you could argue that, but
24:14
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that's pretty cool that like k was
24:17
Speaker 2: able to think just.
24:17
Speaker 1: To flip it. And I mean even I guess they
24:20
Speaker 1: mean in that previous one, to see his face when
24:23
Speaker 1: he realized, like, hang on, we've been doing it this way,
24:26
Speaker 1: why don't we just do it in revertes? Why don't
24:28
Speaker 1: we do the complete opposite, and he was almost impro
24:32
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you watch it, you're like, oh, oh
24:34
Speaker 1: my god, that well, I mean, that was that was
24:36
Speaker 1: a great idea. I don't know how you enact that
24:40
Speaker 1: on a on a grand scale, like you're going from
24:42
Speaker 1: like battle to battle and just you know, drawing them
24:45
Speaker 1: all in so that you can switch that on and
24:47
Speaker 1: you know, make a sacrifice, play to what was her name?
24:49
Speaker 1: What was a replicator? Fran fran You know, make a
24:52
Speaker 1: bunch of friends, find a bunch of friends and get
24:55
Speaker 1: that get her out there.
24:56
Speaker 2: No Carter again this week?
24:57
Speaker 1: They come on like, yeah, it feels like, you know,
25:00
Speaker 1: you get one right, Let's get some consistency. Okay, she's back,
25:03
Speaker 1: but the consistency is that she's you know, fifty percent
25:06
Speaker 1: or so.
25:06
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I did get a little bit of information
25:09
Speaker 2: about just because obviously I was positing some ideas and
25:11
Speaker 2: stuff last week about her contract or the week before
25:13
Speaker 2: about her contracts and stuff like that. So I did
25:15
Speaker 2: get a little little, little little tickle of the feather.
25:19
Speaker 3: It's always difficult when we write an episode that you know, technically,
25:24
Speaker 3: this should conversation should be taking place with Colonel Carter,
25:26
Speaker 3: but you know, Amanda, we only had her contracted for
25:30
Speaker 3: a certain number of episodes, and she wasn't playing a
25:33
Speaker 3: very big role.
25:33
Speaker 2: I mean, had that been her, that would have.
25:35
Speaker 3: Been like a half page scene with and that would
25:37
Speaker 3: have been the only scene with Cutter exactly.
25:39
Speaker 4: We would have thrown around at the beginning and maybe
25:40
Speaker 4: at the end.
25:41
Speaker 3: But ultimately that's kind of a waste of somebody with
25:45
Speaker 3: Amanda's talent. We don't want to just use it for
25:48
Speaker 3: scenes like that.
25:49
Speaker 2: Well Toy, then, eh, what are you keeping Toy just
25:54
Speaker 2: for that? Though? Well no, I'd just be there like, well,
25:57
Speaker 2: you know, we don't. We don't want to write an
25:58
Speaker 2: episode for her, you know, just to have her in
26:01
Speaker 2: it and waste her talent. And it's like toys, like, well,
26:05
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, but I imagine it's a weird thing,
26:09
Speaker 2: Like we spoke about it. Obviously, it's like Carter would
26:12
Speaker 2: have been a big ratings draw for the show, especially
26:15
Speaker 2: with SG one over. But surely they would have had
26:18
Speaker 2: to have paid Carter more, like paid Amanda either equal
26:23
Speaker 2: to or more than what she was getting for her
26:25
Speaker 2: tenth season. But then she's only probably done say ten
26:29
Speaker 2: episodes of the season, like she's only done half the season,
26:31
Speaker 2: which is a great deal for Amanda. Oh yeah, if
26:34
Speaker 2: she's just like, okay, I can get another year's worth
26:36
Speaker 2: of pay and only have to work half the amount
26:39
Speaker 2: of time, even less than that, because if you think
26:41
Speaker 2: about it, like in an sgu one episode said they
26:43
Speaker 2: film over a week, she's filming every day, and it's like,
26:47
Speaker 2: you know what we said in last week's episode, they
26:49
Speaker 2: only had it for two days, so she worked two
26:51
Speaker 2: days out of the week for that one. Obviously she
26:54
Speaker 2: would then went and did you know, continue them and
26:56
Speaker 2: Arch of Truth, but she would have got a separate
26:58
Speaker 2: paycheck for those. Yeah, I mean, congratulations on Amanda, But
27:02
Speaker 2: from a business point of view from the actual showrunners,
27:04
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it was the right choice. But you know,
27:08
Speaker 2: hindsight's always fifted, was it twenty twenty?
27:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when those decisions are being made, like what
27:13
Speaker 1: I wonder when the writers get that news, like, hey,
27:16
Speaker 1: we're going to have her, great, okay, but you're only
27:18
Speaker 1: going to be able to use her this many times too,
27:21
Speaker 1: Like you said, we'd love to write this scene in,
27:24
Speaker 1: but we don't want to waste her, and you know
27:26
Speaker 1: you're in a waste an appearance on one scene, so
27:31
Speaker 1: then to have to like rejig your writing. Who else
27:33
Speaker 1: can take that place? Does it make enough sense within
27:35
Speaker 1: the narrative to use that person if they're using that
27:39
Speaker 1: person for that problem or the next time we get
27:41
Speaker 1: Carter couldn't just have been another regular person or another
27:44
Speaker 1: secondary character that is in every episode. So it must
27:47
Speaker 1: be frustrating. Yet when like those, you know, writers never
27:50
Speaker 1: going to have the freedom to be able to control
27:53
Speaker 1: the entire narrative of the way that they want. It's
27:55
Speaker 1: all going to come down a budget. You can't argue
27:57
Speaker 1: against that. It has to make sense. But at the
27:59
Speaker 1: same time, when you're I mean, you know, let's say,
28:02
Speaker 1: you know the restrictions breed creativity, I get that. But
28:08
Speaker 1: still when you're like so recently been thrown this sort
28:12
Speaker 1: of golden egg in a way of Karda, someone who's
28:15
Speaker 1: got all this history and experience with not only some
28:17
Speaker 1: of the characters on this show, but in the entire franchise,
28:20
Speaker 1: and then to all of a sudden go yeah, yeah,
28:22
Speaker 1: but don't think you can use her all the time.
28:24
Speaker 1: In fact, think you can use her far less than
28:26
Speaker 1: what you're even hoping for.
28:28
Speaker 2: But it's also an interesting idea, and like, and we've
28:30
Speaker 2: spoken about it before, it's like, well, you know, Hammond
28:32
Speaker 2: wasn't in every episode, but he was contracted and it's
28:35
Speaker 2: like he had his credit in every single episode. So
28:38
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why they didn't do that with Tory
28:40
Speaker 2: in the first place, you know what I mean. And
28:42
Speaker 2: it's you know, obviously, you know I read that stuff
28:45
Speaker 2: where Brad was a big proponent for her character. But
28:47
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, yeah, Toy didn't have to be in
28:50
Speaker 2: every episode if she if she's playing the Hammond or
28:52
Speaker 2: playing the Karter, like, she didn't have to be in
28:53
Speaker 2: every episode. But they could have written that into a
28:56
Speaker 2: contract like they did with Hammond, you know, not to
29:00
Speaker 2: be I mean, maybe she was a lot younger than
29:01
Speaker 2: than Don Davis was, and you know maybe she wanted to,
29:04
Speaker 2: you know, be She's like, I'm in my prime. I
29:06
Speaker 2: want to I want to do some stuff. Whereas Don
29:08
Speaker 2: was like winding down. I think he was basically ready
29:10
Speaker 2: to retire when he got the offer for SG one.
29:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so I think, what a cushy way
29:15
Speaker 1: to do it.
29:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't mind kind of just the windown, just
29:18
Speaker 2: going to come in and work a couple of days
29:19
Speaker 2: a week and have a bit of extra pocket money.
29:21
Speaker 1: Well like a you know, it's a it's a side note,
29:23
Speaker 1: but I've heard some interviews with John Lithgow recently and
29:27
Speaker 1: he's been cast as Dumbledore for the HBO Harry Potter series,
29:31
Speaker 1: and you know, he's in his like early you know,
29:34
Speaker 1: heading towards mid so the seventy and he's like, you know,
29:36
Speaker 1: maybe seventy three something like that, and he's saying, well, yeah,
29:42
Speaker 1: this it was a hard decision to make because of
29:44
Speaker 1: where I live, where they're going to be filming it,
29:46
Speaker 1: and how long I'm going to be required for, he said,
29:48
Speaker 1: but also like this is the twilight of my career,
29:50
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at this as being the final thing
29:52
Speaker 1: I'll ever do. You know, by the time granted that
29:55
Speaker 1: they actually I am surely it's Harry Potter, sure that
29:57
Speaker 1: they'll actually get to make the entirety what they want,
30:00
Speaker 1: you know, seven seasons for seven books or whatever. That
30:03
Speaker 1: he's going to have a job for most of that time,
30:07
Speaker 1: and you know, who knows, maybe they get to that
30:09
Speaker 1: final year. Because it is a TV show, you're dealing
30:10
Speaker 1: with ten hours, thirteen hours. Maybe they'll find ways of
30:13
Speaker 1: you know, giving him more work, just what happens in
30:16
Speaker 1: some of those books.
30:18
Speaker 2: Secretly though, how weird would it be if like he
30:20
Speaker 2: only gets to say, like the end of season two,
30:22
Speaker 2: which is where the original Dumbledore died in the movies,
30:25
Speaker 2: like the actor, Yeah, and then they replaced him with
30:27
Speaker 2: Michael Gambo again. Yeah, as if they get season three
30:30
Speaker 2: and they've got to replace another Dumbledore.
30:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well God God willing. And that's the thing
30:35
Speaker 1: whenever they cast actors in these roles and they're so old,
30:37
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, but what if you know, I
30:40
Speaker 1: don't want this to be the role that kills them,
30:41
Speaker 1: but I also don't want this to be the role
30:43
Speaker 1: where they die in the middle of But just the
30:46
Speaker 1: idea of like, yeah, he's like winding down himself and thinking, well,
30:50
Speaker 1: I can do another job here and there, but this
30:51
Speaker 1: is going to be a bit of a safety net.
30:53
Speaker 1: And in a Harry Potter show, Jonathan is not going
30:56
Speaker 1: to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting
30:57
Speaker 1: as far as like physical work, and you know, it
30:59
Speaker 1: might be some of the more emotional stuff, more of
31:01
Speaker 1: the dialogue heavy just the presence, but he's not going
31:04
Speaker 1: to be you know, the main character, so he can
31:07
Speaker 1: take this and I assume don know, Donnas Davis thought
31:10
Speaker 1: the same thing. It was like, I only have to
31:12
Speaker 1: show up, wear a blue suit, you know, occasionally, and
31:15
Speaker 1: just shout something across a table to my team, and
31:19
Speaker 1: that's it. That's my bit.
31:20
Speaker 2: I can do that for my wife and do some painting.
31:22
Speaker 1: Easy love it. Yeah, so take it where you can
31:25
Speaker 1: get it. And then Carter being so much younger, going,
31:27
Speaker 1: you know what, my kids are young, and I can
31:31
Speaker 1: just enjoy the time with them while they are young,
31:34
Speaker 1: and then when I get when they get a little
31:35
Speaker 1: bit older, I'll go back to a bit more full
31:36
Speaker 1: time work.
31:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she did she did, you know after this,
31:39
Speaker 2: she did a couple more shows than She's going into
31:41
Speaker 2: doing a lot of directing as well. So yeah, because
31:43
Speaker 2: if you think about it, I think it's Olivia is
31:45
Speaker 2: her daughter yep was born at what at the beginning
31:47
Speaker 2: of season nine, so this is you know, so Olivia
31:50
Speaker 2: would be like two or something.
31:52
Speaker 1: Like that, So perfect time, perfect time, Yeah.
31:55
Speaker 2: For Amanda to just sort of, you know, do a
31:56
Speaker 2: little bit of work and then be able to spend
31:58
Speaker 2: some time at home.
31:58
Speaker 1: I'm sure they get a great crazy on the Atlantis, surely. Sure.
32:02
Speaker 2: See well, especially with Rachel preggers as well, like she's
32:06
Speaker 2: gonna need something, She's gonna need something soon, very soon.
32:09
Speaker 1: So well even and it's Canada, so yeah, I was
32:12
Speaker 1: gonna say they could have imagined if they had a crash,
32:14
Speaker 1: but it was kind of on set and so whenever
32:16
Speaker 1: they didn't need him to say anything, Ronan could have
32:20
Speaker 1: been over the hanging with the kids off the back
32:22
Speaker 1: of Miller's crossing last week, where you were saying that
32:24
Speaker 1: Ronan would have just had this weird like connection with kids.
32:27
Speaker 1: You know that you look at him in his hardened
32:29
Speaker 1: warrior and yet he's got such a soft spot and
32:31
Speaker 1: he's this great adult who just interacts with kids and
32:35
Speaker 1: loves reading them stories and playing toys with them and
32:38
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff that every time we need
32:39
Speaker 1: we've got an actual crash going on with Amanda tapping
32:42
Speaker 1: his own child is on set and on camera, and
32:44
Speaker 1: then we've got just got Jason Momo over there just
32:46
Speaker 1: like playing dolls with them.
32:47
Speaker 2: And this is the difference between you and me. You
32:49
Speaker 2: being a father, You're just wanting the best for your kids,
32:52
Speaker 2: whereas I'm like, either the evil part of me is
32:54
Speaker 2: just like, Nah, you'd send over like the Wraith when
32:57
Speaker 2: they're not on film and have them look after that.
33:00
Speaker 1: It could be on camera and it's something that's never
33:03
Speaker 1: ever addressed again. It wouldn't make sense because they don't
33:05
Speaker 1: have kids on Atlanta. Yeah, we'll see what happens.
33:08
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they did with the Ethosians and when
33:10
Speaker 2: they didn't have a craze, Look what happened. Those two
33:12
Speaker 2: stupid kids were playing wraithanerd and let the big smoke
33:17
Speaker 2: demon out.
33:17
Speaker 1: So well with the pregnancy, I mean, the Queen's there
33:20
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden she goes to feed
33:21
Speaker 1: on Rodney and I'm like, and then she she hesitates.
33:24
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? As he rubbed like the
33:29
Speaker 1: Atlantis Galaxy version of garlic all over himself. I don't
33:33
Speaker 1: like what's going on here? And then cut to the
33:35
Speaker 1: next I think I actually paused it then for ten
33:38
Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes and came back, and so when it restarted,
33:41
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on here? That doesn't make
33:43
Speaker 1: any sense? And then five seconds later it's revealed that
33:47
Speaker 1: Taylor has John Yeah, and I'm like, oh, oh that's cool.
33:53
Speaker 1: I like this. But then the battle of like a
33:56
Speaker 1: queen who is very powerful, but Taylor is somehow assisted
34:00
Speaker 1: by this fetus inside of hers. Oh no, both of
34:03
Speaker 1: your minds together, you know, providing is really great.
34:06
Speaker 2: Half fetus half fetus. Well done.
34:10
Speaker 1: And then at the end, like just her. You know,
34:12
Speaker 1: she's fighting for this position to stay on the team
34:15
Speaker 1: and wanting to do things. But then you know, John
34:17
Speaker 1: says saying, no, you're supporting, you know, not putting her
34:19
Speaker 1: into a box. But maybe because of how nervous he is,
34:23
Speaker 1: because I can only imagine, like you know, I never
34:26
Speaker 1: wanted to do that with Sarah, my wife, and say
34:28
Speaker 1: you can't do anything. But because I don't understand it,
34:31
Speaker 1: because I can't feel how capable I am, it's just
34:34
Speaker 1: natural to go, I don't know, don't do that. I'll
34:36
Speaker 1: do that, you know, don't do that. Someone else can
34:38
Speaker 1: do that, you know, take it eatsy.
34:40
Speaker 2: That's the difference. It's and I and I hate to
34:43
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. But it does really show that it
34:46
Speaker 2: was an all male writing team the way that Martin
34:49
Speaker 2: Guiro defended it last week or the week before, in
34:51
Speaker 2: the way that John was to Taylor, and they kind
34:53
Speaker 2: of doubled down in this episode, and yeah, it's the
34:56
Speaker 2: it's the John saying you can't not, you shouldn't.
35:00
Speaker 1: M M.
35:00
Speaker 4: I'm not having this conversation again.
35:03
Speaker 5: We have not had it yet. In fact, we've barely
35:06
Speaker 5: spoken since I told you I was pregnant.
35:08
Speaker 4: It's been a little busy around here.
35:10
Speaker 5: I understand why you did not want me to join
35:12
Speaker 5: the attack on the Replicator world, but that was a
35:15
Speaker 5: special circumstance.
35:17
Speaker 4: Look, as simple as op can become dangerous. I accept
35:19
Speaker 4: that you think it's that simple.
35:21
Speaker 5: Is this about you trying to protect me? Or are
35:22
Speaker 5: you still angry because I did not tell you sooner?
35:24
Speaker 4: This is about your people missing, This is about the
35:27
Speaker 4: father of your child missing. You want to go out,
35:30
Speaker 4: you want to carry it up, you want to kick ass,
35:31
Speaker 4: but you can't. And the sooner you realize that, the better.
35:36
Speaker 2: She said the other way, like she's like, you know,
35:39
Speaker 2: pregnant women in the Tharsian society live very active lives.
35:43
Speaker 2: I also, you know the Devil's Advocate sort of flip
35:46
Speaker 2: side of that as obviously it's like, well, yeah, well
35:47
Speaker 2: because they had to because they always have to deal
35:49
Speaker 2: with a potential right attack. And Taylor, in a lot
35:52
Speaker 2: of ways is a lot more safe where she is.
35:55
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just felt I felt icky the way
35:57
Speaker 2: Joan was like, you can't do it. It's not letting
36:00
Speaker 2: her decide what she can and can't do. It's him
36:04
Speaker 2: just saying you can't do it. And then the fact
36:06
Speaker 2: that you know, and it was a it was a
36:08
Speaker 2: plot point last week where when John told Carter about it,
36:13
Speaker 2: and because I met the preduice, like even they said, well,
36:15
Speaker 2: who's the father? And John's like, I didn't think to ask,
36:19
Speaker 2: but then suddenly, now he knows that it's an ethosion,
36:22
Speaker 2: who is the father of her baby? Yet Taylor says
36:24
Speaker 2: at the start of that, we've barely spoken since I
36:27
Speaker 2: told you, So it's like, I guess you could say
36:29
Speaker 2: one of the times they've barely spoken, you know they've
36:32
Speaker 2: got the information, or you know, Ronan knew that it
36:34
Speaker 2: was that it was Kannan, so maybe you know he
36:38
Speaker 2: told John about it or something like that. But I
36:41
Speaker 2: tend to lean more towards Taylor. Taylor's right in this
36:44
Speaker 2: in the way that she was saying, oh, you're just
36:45
Speaker 2: being pissy because I didn't tell you about it and
36:48
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. I just think John could
36:50
Speaker 2: have been more supportive, and I almost feel like the
36:53
Speaker 2: episode kind of was in a way trying to say
36:57
Speaker 2: that John was right. Like when Taylor kind of came
37:00
Speaker 2: to the realization after putting her baby in in danger
37:04
Speaker 2: from the Queen touching its mind or whatever, it's like
37:07
Speaker 2: she kind of like she kind of went, oh, Okay, yeah,
37:10
Speaker 2: I guess John's right, And I was.
37:11
Speaker 1: Like, oh see. I took it as almost like both
37:15
Speaker 1: are right. There's just a limit to Like, it's not
37:18
Speaker 1: like she can go and do whatever she wants. She
37:20
Speaker 1: can go and do more than what John was willing
37:23
Speaker 1: to let her do, but she can't do as much
37:26
Speaker 1: as she wants to do as much as she used
37:28
Speaker 1: to do. There is a limit that she's got to consolutely.
37:30
Speaker 1: But I just that's how I took it.
37:32
Speaker 2: I just think John wasn't very good and maybe that's
37:34
Speaker 2: just what it was. Maybe John just wasn't good at
37:35
Speaker 2: conveying what he was trying to come across. He just
37:38
Speaker 2: sort of wanted that protective mode and said you can't
37:41
Speaker 2: versus you shouldn't. Yeah, you know, or what what what's
37:44
Speaker 2: the what's the cutoff?
37:45
Speaker 1: This would be one of those supportive edits where if
37:48
Speaker 1: they played it now, Yeah, gross, and you'd see him
37:52
Speaker 1: say you can't, but out of his mouth would be shouldn't.
37:55
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, over the top yeah yeah. Absolutely Funnily enough though,
38:00
Speaker 2: and it I didn't really get the parallels until I
38:04
Speaker 2: saw this. And this isn't an around the World, but
38:07
Speaker 2: the Japanese title for this episode was mother ah, And
38:12
Speaker 2: if you think about it, that's a nice parallel in
38:14
Speaker 2: that the queen was the mother of all the soldiers
38:17
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and then you have Taylor and
38:20
Speaker 2: her thing, and then it's the climax is the two mothers, yeah,
38:23
Speaker 2: you know, having the little psychic battle and stuff like that. Yeah.
38:26
Speaker 1: And I was wondering how that was going to end
38:27
Speaker 1: because even though she is a queen, and as soon
38:29
Speaker 1: as she freed them, I'm like, oh, well, just just
38:32
Speaker 1: shoot her, like free Taylor from you know, her the
38:37
Speaker 1: role that she was playing to help her or help them,
38:40
Speaker 1: Just shoot her. But I thought, you know what, they're
38:41
Speaker 1: actually not going to do that, because even though she
38:43
Speaker 1: is a queen of this evil race that is trying
38:46
Speaker 1: to kill them they're trying to stop it would still
38:49
Speaker 1: be kind of like killing someone unarmed, you know, like,
38:51
Speaker 1: and they won't do that to them. When she's like, ah,
38:54
Speaker 1: oh no, John, help me, He's like bang, bang bang,
38:57
Speaker 1: thank you. And I thought, you know what, good because
38:59
Speaker 1: she was eventually going to defeat Taylor's grip on her,
39:04
Speaker 1: but in that immediacy, she was going to possibly hurt Taylor.
39:08
Speaker 1: You know, John wasn't to know the intricacies of the
39:10
Speaker 1: fact that she know she was potentially attacking the unborn
39:13
Speaker 1: baby or anything. But I liked that. Yeah, it gave
39:16
Speaker 1: the show permission to kill it, you know, because otherwise
39:20
Speaker 1: it would have been a bit like, oh, that's a
39:22
Speaker 1: bit like I get it, and she's a monster, so
39:24
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have been that icky about it. But
39:26
Speaker 1: at the same time, it just would have felt like, yeah,
39:28
Speaker 1: but you're, you know, you're shooting a harmless dog sort
39:31
Speaker 1: of thing, like it wasn't doing anything to you and
39:33
Speaker 1: in the case it might have bitten you. So yeah,
39:36
Speaker 1: the good good good to get around that.
39:40
Speaker 2: Did you notice, though, I think obviously they spent all
39:43
Speaker 2: their budget on the Wraith ship crashing. Did you notice
39:46
Speaker 2: the cheap Wraith cell? Remember how like back in like
39:49
Speaker 2: The Hive and Lost Boys, there was the cool like
39:53
Speaker 2: CGI shell that kind of like retracted from the war,
39:56
Speaker 2: whereas this was just like a ghould gate with gool
39:58
Speaker 2: on it that just kind of raised up out of
40:00
Speaker 2: the ground, and I was just something.
40:01
Speaker 1: They got from the Super Mario Brothers movie.
40:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah basically, And I was just like, ah,
40:06
Speaker 2: that's a shame. That's a shame. If anyone asks, I
40:10
Speaker 2: do have some some trivia. Apparently this is the the
40:13
Speaker 2: fourteenth on screen hive we've seen destroyed. Okay, someone's keeping
40:18
Speaker 2: track of that. I'm glad I don't have to. And
40:23
Speaker 2: my final bit is just my favorite bit of audio
40:25
Speaker 2: from the whole episode.
40:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, how big is this place? Don't worry, I've got
40:29
Speaker 4: an excellent sense of direction. Did you say you got
40:32
Speaker 4: last in the garden? Once I was ten, I was
40:36
Speaker 4: running from a bee.
40:39
Speaker 1: That's just more like the useless banter that happens between
40:43
Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, Rodney, It's like in those moments, I'm like, oh,
40:47
Speaker 1: shut up, but at the same time, I I love you.
40:49
Speaker 2: I love yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
40:51
Speaker 1: Like making himself look worse in John's eyes to try
40:55
Speaker 1: and make himself look better from his own point of view.
40:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's and he's basically saying, well, two a
40:59
Speaker 2: ten year old a Bee is more terrifying and just
41:02
Speaker 2: because than what we're doing now going through this wraith,
41:05
Speaker 2: you know, super super Max facility.
41:08
Speaker 1: If I had to choose, it'd be here. Yeah, it'd here.
41:11
Speaker 1: Get at a Gate. That is episode two hundred and
41:14
Speaker 1: eighty two, and we're back next week to talk quarantine.
41:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's a it's a post post twenty twenty.
41:24
Speaker 2: That's a It's a pretty triggering word.
41:26
Speaker 1: So, isn't it. Yeah, I mean to some people more
41:30
Speaker 1: than others. Yeah, I mean where we know, where we live,
41:33
Speaker 1: we did pretty well. We get away with things pretty well.
41:37
Speaker 1: But there are other people not too far away from
41:38
Speaker 1: where we live that, you know, under different gay lanes
41:41
Speaker 1: and different government, and they still like they have shivers
41:44
Speaker 1: over the like, yeah, all the restrictions they had to
41:46
Speaker 1: go through.
41:47
Speaker 2: At least we're passed that season eight episode lockdown.
41:49
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, yeah it is? Is it not? The SGA
41:52
Speaker 1: repeat of that?
41:53
Speaker 2: No?
41:54
Speaker 1: Are you sure sure it can't be? Can we get
41:56
Speaker 1: Ghiro into it?
41:57
Speaker 2: Not Gio?
41:58
Speaker 1: Someone?
41:58
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42:07
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