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Set 2: Let's Be Irrational (w/ DragonflyJonez) · Stugotz and Company

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Speaker 1: Dragonfly Jones is joining us. Check out his podcast, The
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Speaker 1: Jenkins and Jones Podcast wherever you get your podcast, Dragonfly,
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Speaker 1: quick question for you, it's odd calling you Dragonfly. That's
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Speaker 1: not the question I had for you, though, Would.
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Speaker 2: You call me back?
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Speaker 1: I know we do, but I like Dragonfly Jones. Man,
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Speaker 1: that's a cool name. I mean it is. How did
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Speaker 1: you get that name?
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Speaker 3: By the way, it's all credits to Martin Lawrence. It's
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Speaker 3: from his his his TV show Karate character that he
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Speaker 3: played one of the many characters in that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering here, would you have been okay if
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Speaker 1: Wemby walked out with SGA's MVP award last night?
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's sounded like women who would have been
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Speaker 3: okay if you walked out with it from the from
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Speaker 3: the post game of comments we got from him, right,
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Speaker 3: It's just I mean, that's that's you know. One of
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Speaker 3: the things that I just love about this kid is
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Speaker 3: that you know, he had that question in the post
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Speaker 3: game where where you know, basically they asked him, you
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Speaker 3: know what, they're not getting the MVP motivation night and
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Speaker 3: he just said flat out yes, like you know, just
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Speaker 3: not not the pr prepared answer, just shot straight, like,
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Speaker 3: and that's something that's so intriguing about it, besides just
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Speaker 3: being a god on the court who just my brain
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Speaker 3: is still melted off off off his performance last night,
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Speaker 3: but then to see him in the post game, I'm like,
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Speaker 3: this kid has it all, like like you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, He's just he's the prince who was promised,
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Speaker 3: like like, this is the future face of the league,
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Speaker 3: and the league is going to be in great hands.
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Speaker 4: I don't understand Tyler Wyatt took till the year three. Obviously,
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Speaker 4: you know there's things that went on in the first
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Speaker 4: two years, but his first playoff.
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Speaker 5: Run seems to have everything right.
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Speaker 4: Like he had the early issue, right, the concussion, he had,
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Speaker 4: the elbow, he's showing how tough he is. He's going
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Speaker 4: in on the road and beating the defending champs, and
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Speaker 4: it's his first playoff run. It feels like this should
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Speaker 4: come in segments. It doesn't feel like it should all
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Speaker 4: come in this first year, which would probably scare everybody, right.
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Speaker 3: Right Exactly that Game three against Minnesota where he had
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Speaker 3: thirty nine thirteen and five blocks, and the five blocks
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Speaker 3: under sell how much of a dominant defensive force he
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Speaker 3: was that game like he's the only player in NBA
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Speaker 3: history rock and saying five blocks don't tell the true
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Speaker 3: story of how much of a havoc, how much havock
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Speaker 3: he was rehealing the defensive end right when after that
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Speaker 3: game three, I was like, how is this kid not
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Speaker 3: good enough to lead this team to a championship this
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Speaker 3: year in these playoffs? Like you can't convince me that
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Speaker 3: he's not good enough to And then we had that
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Speaker 3: game last night, right, forty one and twenty four, Like,
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Speaker 3: just like he hits a three ball from thirty feet
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Speaker 3: to senate to overtime. Yes, he locks the game up
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Speaker 3: by catching a lob forty one twenty four on the
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Speaker 3: road Western Conference Finals against a team he has just
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Speaker 3: looked like a machine this postseason, where eight and zero
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Speaker 3: until that game, and it's just bro Like your producer
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Speaker 3: tailor hit me up, shout out to Taylor, and he
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Speaker 3: hit me up and asked if I was gonna hop on.
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Speaker 3: I was like, yes, absolutely, There's there's no one I
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Speaker 3: would rather be irrational with about this. Guys, but I
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Speaker 3: do not understand the whole prisoner of the moment. Let's
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Speaker 3: just relax, Let's pump the breaks. I do not understand
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Speaker 3: why we have to be logical about a player who
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Speaker 3: defies all logic. That's what I've never seen anything like this, kid, You.
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Speaker 1: Tell them, yes, that's what I'm saying. Like, and I
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Speaker 1: just asked a question before you came on at the
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Speaker 1: age of twenty seven. Has SGA's window closed? Let's get irrational, man?
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Why not?
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, like I said, I'm just I'm
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Speaker 3: just not gonna be rational about a seven foot five
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Speaker 3: guy who was the biggest, you know, the most disruptive
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Speaker 3: force I've ever seen on defense in all my years
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Speaker 3: watching basketball. Who has handles, who can you know, shoot
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Speaker 3: the three ball? Who has footwork? Like we've never seen
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Speaker 3: anything like this? Like like, like I said, there's no
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Speaker 3: need to be rational about something that we just we
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Speaker 3: have never seen.
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Speaker 6: Tyler is calling the chet Holmgren victor wenbin Yama rivalry
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Speaker 6: of rivalry, disrespectful to all rivalries.
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Speaker 3: There's a tweet out from from Don two K, one
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Speaker 3: of my favorite followers, where he said something along the
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Speaker 3: lines of, I know, Check might think he's too cool
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Speaker 3: for all this, but he's got to get involved with whatever.
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Speaker 3: Wendy wants them to get involved with, right, because Wemby
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Speaker 3: you can tell that he just doesn't like that dude
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Speaker 3: on a personal level. Yes, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 3: like like you can tell that, and the whole thing
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Speaker 3: is like it feels like it's super tall guy beef
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Speaker 3: where it's where it's like, you know, I'm the I'm
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Speaker 3: the only you know, seven foot three plus guy in
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Speaker 3: this in this league who should be running things and shit.
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Speaker 2: Is incredible in his own right.
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Speaker 3: He had a stinker last night, but like he legitimately,
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Speaker 3: I'd say he's probably the second best friend reprotector in
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Speaker 3: the league behind Wimby in my personal opinion.
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Speaker 2: So he's no slouch either.
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Speaker 3: But it's just it's just like world's apart talent wise
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Speaker 3: in regards to those two.
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Speaker 2: But I will say that with the rivalry, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: the robbery.
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Speaker 3: Between these two teams is it's it's perfect, right because
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Speaker 3: it's the exact formula that you want in a rivalry.
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Speaker 3: You want your robbery to have the better team, which
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Speaker 3: is okay, see but the and and a team that's
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Speaker 3: close to them talent wise but not as good, but
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Speaker 3: they have the better player who can elevate the team
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Speaker 3: that's not as good as the other team to victory,
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Speaker 3: which is what we have with with Wenby, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: like that was the formula that it looked like we
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Speaker 3: had for you know, with Cleveland and Golden State until
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Speaker 3: KD decided to come in and disrupt all of that.
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Speaker 3: But it looks like this is going to be the
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Speaker 3: next great Robbery and I love it.
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Speaker 1: Man, should teams have tanked harder to get them? I mean,
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Speaker 1: let's be you know, play three guys at a time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, I mean.
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Speaker 3: If you want to go conspiracy, I don't know if
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Speaker 3: they're if if if they were going to let him
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Speaker 3: go anywhere. Besides, like I mean, you cannot waste this
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Speaker 3: generational talent and send them to like Charlotte or something.
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Speaker 2: No disrespect the imagine.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just a perfect storm, right because you know,
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Speaker 3: a generational talent winding up at one of the the
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Speaker 3: franch the cornerstone franchises in the NBA.
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Speaker 2: Who do this thing right? Who do the player development right? Who?
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Speaker 2: Who plays smart basketball?
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Speaker 3: Who he you know, he came into a whole you know,
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Speaker 3: net of support and mentorship with with with Duncan and
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Speaker 3: Pop and Parker and Manu and Robinson and they've all
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Speaker 3: been leaning on him and all that, right, So it's
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Speaker 3: just it was just a perfect storm where everything aligns
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Speaker 3: where we are just going to get you know, we're
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Speaker 3: gonna see this kid probably perform to the maximum of
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Speaker 3: his capabilities. Injuries, you know, knock on wood, that's the
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Speaker 3: only thing that can get in this kid's way.
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Speaker 4: I'll add one more layer to that. I think him
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Speaker 4: to that perfect storm. But I think him being French
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Speaker 4: is because you mentioned Chet feeling like he's too cool
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Speaker 4: for this stuff. Most of the kids, if you grew
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Speaker 4: up in America as this next great thing, you might
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Speaker 4: be the too cool for school guy as opposed to
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Speaker 4: Vic who is.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: No, I'm into every narrative. I want to play the
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Speaker 4: part that I've been watching from a distance all this time,
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Speaker 4: and it's perfect for what the league needs out of
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Speaker 4: the opposite, which is guys who don't want to play
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Speaker 4: exactly exactly.
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Speaker 3: You know, like you said, it might be a culture
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Speaker 3: thing because these youngins are like, ah, man, I'm not
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 2: That's hating. Why you hate and why no, you should
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Speaker 2: hate your rivals.
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Speaker 3: You should hate guys who are in your way in
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Speaker 3: regards to to getting wins, to getting you know, Larry
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Speaker 3: O'Brien trophies, you should have a healthy resentment for those dudes.
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Speaker 3: And and Wimby for sure has that like that moment
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Speaker 3: where he snagged that rebound and just laughed at Shade
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Speaker 3: Yes like, b y, I just I just love it.
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Speaker 3: I just like I said, never seen anything like him, Like,
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Speaker 3: I have just never seen a basketball player who makes
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Speaker 3: NBA players look the way Winmby does, right like I've
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Speaker 3: seen Shack the most dominant player of my lifetime that
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Speaker 3: I Win is.
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Speaker 2: And when I'm.
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Speaker 3: Watching Shaq, it was like, these dudes need to get
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Speaker 3: in the weight room, bro, they need to get their
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Speaker 3: weight up. Watching Wimby, it feels like watching a twelfth
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Speaker 3: grade to play fourth grader sometimes right right, like like
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Speaker 3: have you ever been to like a like a cookout
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Speaker 3: or family reunion and you want to play basketball with
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Speaker 3: like the eight year olds and you feel like a god?
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Speaker 3: Right like Wimby looks like that against the world's best
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Speaker 3: basketball players.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you guys mentioned the three that he took from
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Speaker 1: the logo.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: The thing about Wemby shooting threes, it looks natural. Imagine
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Speaker 1: Shack trying to shoot that three from thirty five feet away.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, Shaq looked awkward at the free though
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Speaker 3: line from you, so yeah, you did not want to
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Speaker 3: see sh Shaq would have broken another backboard if he
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Speaker 3: shot on three ball from thirty feet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So last night as a Knick fan, I'm feeling
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Speaker 1: pretty good. We got the calves. Everyone thinks we're gonna
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Speaker 1: beat him in five or six games, make it to
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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. I gotta tell you, after last night's game,
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Speaker 1: I've never been more fucking terrified in my entire life
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Speaker 1: as a Nick fan. I mean, how about that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, who's gonna be the who's gonna be who's
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Speaker 3: gonna have the main defensive assignment on Wemby?
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Speaker 2: Like you can't put Cat on him?
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Speaker 3: No, Oji, you know he's he's the best defender there.
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Speaker 3: But you know Wemby's got him by like ten inches. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson doesn't have the mobility, the lateral movement. That's
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Speaker 3: just a nightmare match. Of course, he's a nightmare match
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Speaker 3: with anyone, but with the Knicks, I just don't know.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know what looks you through Defensively.
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Speaker 6: We did beat them in the NBA Cup.
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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, very important.
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Speaker 1: We've won our title already.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Tyler before these guys just throw away the
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Speaker 4: Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get your I'm.
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Speaker 1: About doing that, by the way, No, everyone else is. No.
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Speaker 1: They make me nervous as well.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's this guy with a perfect bracket out there,
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Speaker 4: and he's got calve spurs, and so you should be
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Speaker 4: nervous about that guy. But I'm curious where you stand
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Speaker 4: on James hard and just the overall career, who he
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Speaker 4: is and where he stands, you know, just in the
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Speaker 4: the lineage of basketball greats, because he's taken a beating,
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Speaker 4: but a lot of people still want to stand for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that he is.
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Speaker 3: He's one of the most prolific scores we've ever seen,
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Speaker 3: one of the most prolific producers of points we've ever
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Speaker 3: seen when you factor in scoring and assisting, right Like,
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Speaker 3: he was a dude who at his peak was giving
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Speaker 3: you games where he was getting given you thirty seven
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Speaker 3: points and seventeen assists, right like, he was just ridiculous,
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Speaker 3: had a ridiculous run, MVP and all that. But it's
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Speaker 3: just you just cannot divorce the the postseason shortcomings from
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Speaker 3: him from his legacy you can't like like I think
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Speaker 3: I think perhaps the defining thing of him is we've
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Speaker 3: never seen a player so good have so many terrible
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Speaker 3: playoff moments.
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Speaker 2: I think that is legitimately his defining legacy.
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Speaker 4: Have you figured out the why other than saying, oh,
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Speaker 4: he chokes, because I don't think he chokes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that.
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Speaker 3: The brand of basketball that he plays doesn't translate into
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Speaker 3: into the postseason when when referees swallow the whistle and
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Speaker 3: let guys play. Also is a traffic cone on defense,
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Speaker 3: right like? And that's and that's the thing about the playoffs, bro,
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Speaker 3: The playoffs are going to The playoffs are are a
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Speaker 3: chess match where we are going to to you know,
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Speaker 3: single out whatever weakness the opponent has, and we are
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Speaker 3: going to spam that until we can't spam it anymore.
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Speaker 2: And Harden is a dude who who you know?
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Speaker 3: Like I said, the whistle doesn't go for his way
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Speaker 3: with with with with with the foul baiting.
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Speaker 2: And he's a cone on defense. Bro.
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Speaker 5: Can you think of a single I can think of two.
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Speaker 1: Is there a better insult than a cone on defense?
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Speaker 4: Can you think of any defensive highlights in James Harden's career.
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Speaker 3: He had He had a block to lock up that
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Speaker 3: game seven, I guess Okay, see I don't remember that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he's on this weird crusade to crush James Horden
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Speaker 1: and his entire career.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Now come up with a second.
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Speaker 4: Okay, because the two that I can think of outside
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Speaker 4: that one you.
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Speaker 1: Got me rooting for James Harden and the Cavs man
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Speaker 1: good because you're going to be let down.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 4: It was a no look strip that he had on defense,
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Speaker 4: remember that one time somebody was coming out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And then the other one was when he was playing
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Speaker 4: defense on his own teammate Kawhi Leonard, Remember that one
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Speaker 4: he Those are the only two defensive highlights I can
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Speaker 4: think for James Harden, and as Victor Webina will tell you,
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Speaker 4: it's an important part.
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Speaker 1: Of the game. Yes.
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Speaker 3: Also that time he deflected the ball with his face
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Speaker 3: when yes, yes.
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Speaker 2: And beating them dead on his in his grill.
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Speaker 1: I want to get back to being irrational. Is a
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Speaker 1: Game two a must win game for Oklahoma City?
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Speaker 2: Why not?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Yes, actlutely, why not the reason you get home courts.
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Speaker 3: You're supposed to win those two games you have at home,
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Speaker 3: right if you know a split doesn't bary you going
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Speaker 3: down O two with with no home court advantage, that's
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Speaker 3: a tough hole to dig yourself out of.
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Speaker 6: Tyler Dylan Harper became the only rookie to record seven
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Speaker 6: plus steals in the conference finals history. So my question
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Speaker 6: for you is what's more impressive the fact that Rutgers
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Speaker 6: basketball had two top five picks in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 6: five NBA draft or that Rutgers went fifteen and seventeen
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Speaker 6: with two top five picks.
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Speaker 1: Is that coach still there? I mean he is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is crazy, because Dylan he's just he's he's remarkable.
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Speaker 2: He's incredible man.
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Speaker 3: And the incredible game he had, you know, last night
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Speaker 3: gets overshadowed by by, of course, you know, Whomby's history game.
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Speaker 2: But but yeah, that is wild. I did not know that.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't keep up with college ball, so
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Speaker 3: I did not know that Rutgers was really just shit
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Speaker 3: in the bed.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike Breen told us yesterday, if
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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunston pulls us off the next winning NBA championship,
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Speaker 1: he belongs on the Knicks Mount Rushmore, do you agree?
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's I mean championship.
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Speaker 3: He'd be the only player in my lifetime to lead
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Speaker 3: the Knicks to a championship.
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Speaker 2: Why not, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Like like what what would what would be the Knicks
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Speaker 3: out Rushmore? There's of course Ewing, Yeah, Willis Red Yeah, reed,
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Speaker 3: And then I guess.
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Speaker 2: The other ones up for the taken Yeah, King.
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Speaker 4: Guys like that, he's already on the King, Carmelo, Anthony,
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Speaker 4: Jalen Brunt.
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Speaker 2: Yah.
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Speaker 3: I feel like Carmelo might be the most beloved Nick
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Speaker 3: besides like Ewing in my lifetime, like like I mean,
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Speaker 3: and and for him to like not have any huge
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Speaker 3: postseason successes and and and then expand base still loves them.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm not even saying that like derisively. I think
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Speaker 3: that that's great that y'all just like, hey man, you
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Speaker 3: wanted to be here and you bawled out and we
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Speaker 3: love you.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that fourth spot might be three weeks of Jeremy Lynn.
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Speaker 1: It could be I mean, yeah, maybe Riley, I don't know, Oakley,
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Speaker 1: what not?
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Speaker 2: Riley? What do you mean?
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Speaker 5: Hair down that mountain?
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Speaker 3: Riley would send a facts to take him off of that,
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Speaker 3: Aunt Rushwood, just like how we quit?
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Speaker 2: You are right?
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Speaker 1: So what'd you make here, just just to get away
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Speaker 1: from these games for a second. What'd you make of
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Speaker 1: the criticism that Sham's got for reporting the MVP on
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Speaker 1: Sunday and the MVP wasn't announced until last night?
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Speaker 2: I Mean, my whole thing is who didn't know it
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Speaker 2: was gonna be?
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Speaker 6: Sha? Like?
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Speaker 2: Does?
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Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter? And so Sham's like, like, Sean's
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Speaker 3: getting a little snippy with it. If you saw his responses,
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Speaker 3: like he's like, I have a job you're do and
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
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Speaker 1: Do my job.
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Speaker 2: Why is he answering to this?
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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean, I mean yeah, I just
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Speaker 3: don't No one was surprised, so I don't understand the
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Speaker 3: outrage personally.
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Speaker 1: It's an NBA problem, is he the fact that the
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Speaker 1: NBA has leaks that are gonna tell Shams who won
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Speaker 1: the MVP two days before? Not that I care, but
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Speaker 1: that's an NBA problem, not a Sham's problem. He's doing
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Speaker 1: his job.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 4: Problem is the word that you have to mess with there,
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Speaker 4: because I don't know if it actually is like it's been,
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Speaker 4: it's been something that's been leaked as far as I
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Speaker 4: can remember every single year. Yes, like the years where
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Speaker 4: it's a surprise where maybe we don't know who the
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Speaker 4: MVP is going to be because it's you know, it's
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Speaker 4: a uh two man race or something, then yeah, that's
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Speaker 4: the time where I'm just like, I really want to know.
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Speaker 4: But for the most part, it's not really a surprise
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Speaker 4: any year. If you're following the NBA.
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Speaker 1: Dragonfly, Are you enjoying the Steven A. Smith dragonfly? Every
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Speaker 1: time I call you dragonfly, Taylor laughs and it throws
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Speaker 1: me off. Are you enjoying the back and forth between
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Speaker 1: Jalen Brown and Steven A. Smith? Here?
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Speaker 2: It's perfect? I love it. It's great.
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Speaker 3: It is a It is a clash of two dudes
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Speaker 3: who take themselves way too seriously, the most hilarious, right,
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Speaker 3: Like you know they say, they say stylesman fights, and
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Speaker 3: we've got a great match up here with that.
15:53
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've been enjoying it very much.
15:55
Speaker 3: I love when Stephen A goes into his and to
15:57
Speaker 3: his mob boss whispering.
15:59
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to make it in a me
16:00
Speaker 2: and memo. That's when we're getting the good stuff right there.
16:02
Speaker 4: Bro, Has he ever actually cashed in on that. Have
16:05
Speaker 4: we ever seen what it looks like when he spills
16:07
Speaker 4: the real beings?
16:08
Speaker 3: No, Like, like I remember when he first like broke
16:12
Speaker 3: out that alter ego against Kevin Durant, and like I
16:14
Speaker 3: was like, he's talking like he's Tony Soprano out here,
16:17
Speaker 3: like like all over all over some basketball shit.
16:20
Speaker 2: Talk, like it was wild Jalen Brown.
16:22
Speaker 1: It's funny, though, I understand why he enjoyed this season
16:25
Speaker 1: more than any other season he's ever had. He felt validated.
16:28
Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to feel validated. No one thought they
16:31
Speaker 1: would be good. Jason Tatum was out, he was supposed
16:33
Speaker 1: to be out the entire season, and Jalen Brown's like, hey,
16:36
Speaker 1: now we're pretty good with me as a number one.
16:38
Speaker 1: So I enjoyed it. Who the hell cares that he
16:40
Speaker 1: enjoyed that more than winning an NBA championship.
16:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I That's another thing where I'm like, I'm
16:47
Speaker 3: not mad at Jalen at all for saying that. You
16:49
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Yes, the whole thing is, I
16:51
Speaker 3: think you can't say it because the sports fandom world
16:55
Speaker 3: is just ridiculous.
16:55
Speaker 2: It's either win or or everything is pointless.
16:58
Speaker 3: Right, But but but to your point like, I have
17:00
Speaker 3: no I have no problem at all with him saying
17:02
Speaker 3: this is a very unique season where more the most
17:05
Speaker 3: was asked to me of any time in my career,
17:07
Speaker 3: and I rose to the occasion. I'm proud of myself, Like, like,
17:10
Speaker 3: how is that something to take issue with?
17:11
Speaker 2: Right?
17:11
Speaker 6: Stu? In the In the stephen A Jalen Brown beef,
17:15
Speaker 6: this might be my favorite sound from it where stephen A.
17:18
Speaker 6: Smith takes a wild stray shot at Jalen Brown's production.
17:22
Speaker 7: Okay, Jalen Brown, before I even get into it, could
17:25
Speaker 7: you do me a favor. Please get your ass a studio.
17:29
Speaker 7: You looking like you in some dungeon, little little room
17:31
Speaker 7: or whatever. You make it fifty four million a year,
17:33
Speaker 7: Get a studio with a direct and a producer. Stop
17:35
Speaker 7: being so damn cheap. You got the money, pay it,
17:39
Speaker 7: okay for a better production.
17:42
Speaker 1: Not necessary, but awesome.
17:46
Speaker 3: And that's a nitty gritty man yeah, but like but
17:48
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's that's.
17:49
Speaker 2: Kind of what stephen A does.
17:50
Speaker 3: Like like Meryl the Kid, Meryl went on there like
17:53
Speaker 3: a hoodie and a fitted cap, and Steve there was like,
17:55
Speaker 3: you need to.
17:55
Speaker 2: Come on here in and suit next time. Brother, you're
17:57
Speaker 2: throwing me off. Like you know, he takes these productions
18:01
Speaker 2: very seriously. Man, stephen A.
18:03
Speaker 1: Is always trying to put up his journalistic bona fides
18:07
Speaker 1: his resume. He needs to realize I've had this discussion
18:09
Speaker 1: with him before. Okay, there's an entire generation of people
18:13
Speaker 1: who only know stephen A. Smith from first take. Jalen
18:17
Speaker 1: Brown is twenty nine. He doesn't know all the great
18:20
Speaker 1: journalism work that stephen A. Smith has done throughout his career,
18:24
Speaker 1: nor does he care. He only sees that guy on
18:26
Speaker 1: first take giving out hot takes, which isn't journalism, and
18:29
Speaker 1: steven A needs to realize that. It doesn't mean I
18:32
Speaker 1: take stephn A any less seriously. Steven A could wear
18:36
Speaker 1: a Cowboys hat for two hours on first take, I
18:39
Speaker 1: just ripped the Cowboys and if at twelve oh one,
18:42
Speaker 1: once he's done being a clown. If he does that
18:45
Speaker 1: and reports something important, I'm going to believe stephen A. Smith.
18:50
Speaker 1: But he needs to realize there's an entire generation that
18:53
Speaker 1: doesn't care about his journalistic background. They only see what
18:57
Speaker 1: they've seen for the last ten years.
18:58
Speaker 2: Is that fair?
18:59
Speaker 1: Yeah?
19:00
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly that. Like you know I first got hip
19:03
Speaker 2: to stephen A. Smith.
19:04
Speaker 3: You know, Alan Iverson is my favorite basketball player ever,
19:07
Speaker 3: Like bron is my personal goal, but Allen Iverson is
19:08
Speaker 3: my favorite. I'm a Virginia guy, you know, he means
19:10
Speaker 3: something to me on a very you know, personal level.
19:13
Speaker 3: And I first got hip to stephen A. Smith during
19:15
Speaker 3: Allen Iverson six ers years back when you had to
19:17
Speaker 3: actually go find sports news. You didn't have it on
19:20
Speaker 3: your phone, you didn't get alerts, and I would just
19:22
Speaker 3: google Alan Iverson articles and I would see, you know,
19:24
Speaker 3: this guy working at the Philadelphia Inquired Stephen A. Smith
19:26
Speaker 3: was often writing about Iverson. So that's how I got
19:28
Speaker 3: hip to stephen A.
19:29
Speaker 2: Smith.
19:29
Speaker 3: Right, So I kind of always look at him as
19:32
Speaker 3: a journalist who turned talking head. And I think a
19:35
Speaker 3: lot of people just don't, you know, like you said,
19:37
Speaker 3: especially with the younger generation, don't have that knowledge of
19:40
Speaker 3: his background.
19:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what I mean, the industry changes.
19:44
Speaker 1: He sorted to cut you off where he went from journalists.
19:46
Speaker 1: He's still a journalist, Okay, he's a Hall of Fame journalist,
19:49
Speaker 1: but he had to go in order to survive in
19:52
Speaker 1: this industry from journalists. Still be a journalist, but also
19:56
Speaker 1: an entertainer. And that's a difference. I wouldn't say that
19:59
Speaker 1: was him surviving. I always say that's him being who
20:01
Speaker 1: he is, right, because this is what I experienced with
20:04
Speaker 1: Steven It just as a beat reporter working next to him,
20:07
Speaker 1: you know, doing a Philly heat game, and I see
20:09
Speaker 1: him and he's dressed to the nines as you mentioned Tyler,
20:11
Speaker 1: like he takes everything that seriously, and yeah he's in there.
20:15
Speaker 5: He's got relationships with players.
20:16
Speaker 4: Where I'm just like, man, I want to develop these
20:18
Speaker 4: relationships like that. That guy really knows what he's doing.
20:22
Speaker 4: And then the next thing that I saw is when
20:24
Speaker 4: I realized, oh, he's not about this life. He's going
20:26
Speaker 4: to do something even greater. He was sitting there comparing
20:29
Speaker 4: his suit to Aaron mckeths Aeron McKee, the multi millionaire,
20:34
Speaker 4: and he's just a reporter for the you know, Philly
20:36
Speaker 4: Inquirer who writes with a bunch of explanation points, and
20:39
Speaker 4: yet he's comparing suits. I'm like, no, No, this guy's
20:42
Speaker 4: got bigger visions than just being a beat writer for
20:44
Speaker 4: the you know, the Philadelphia Inquirer.
20:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, bigger aspirations. Sure.
20:48
Speaker 3: I remember he had that short lived late night show
20:50
Speaker 3: back in like four oh five on ESPN two.
20:52
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So yeah, yeah, you know
20:54
Speaker 2: he's He's.
20:55
Speaker 3: Always someone who wanted to be in front of the
20:57
Speaker 3: camera for sure, and he and shot up to them.
20:59
Speaker 2: He made it out.
21:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, how do you think steven A felt when
21:02
Speaker 1: he came on the show and uh, he was joining
21:05
Speaker 1: I was joining him from my kitchen. I mean.
21:09
Speaker 6: That home goods ass sign you had behind you probably
21:11
Speaker 6: got him so mad.
21:12
Speaker 2: And I do this for a living. When spoon spoons
21:15
Speaker 2: on the wall and things of that nature, come on.
21:17
Speaker 1: To god, Yeah, get up, I have the Spurs wedding
21:19
Speaker 1: and four what do you think I mean? Wow, Yes,
21:22
Speaker 1: we're gonna get real erectional Oh yeah, no, it's irrational.
21:25
Speaker 2: Let's be irrational. Come on, you know what? Like, like
21:29
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't come here to be reasonable and measured.
21:31
Speaker 3: I'll do it together. Yeah, unrealistic I've ever seen. Yeah,
21:35
Speaker 3: I'll go Spurs in six.
21:36
Speaker 1: Really wow, I mean not even five.
21:44
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a little rope here, but yeah, man,
21:47
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, why not. I'm just not betting
21:49
Speaker 3: against Wemby right now?
21:50
Speaker 1: All right, now, understand the poll. How could you have
21:52
Speaker 1: to last night if you are, You'd be the dumbest
21:54
Speaker 1: person on the planet, you know.
21:56
Speaker 3: Right, forty one twenty four assist three blocks. There's only
22:01
Speaker 3: been two playoff games in NBA history. It was Wimby
22:04
Speaker 3: last night and Wilt against the Celtics in nineteen sixty two.
22:08
Speaker 1: Broy, We're all like, no one knows what brains every
22:13
Speaker 1: one walk up this morning, like bro.
22:19
Speaker 2: And that shot.
22:20
Speaker 3: He said that, that three ball from Birdie, Like, I
22:22
Speaker 3: just had a what is he doing?
22:23
Speaker 2: Oh my god? He hit hi moment.
22:25
Speaker 6: I haven't stopped thinking about that.
22:26
Speaker 1: Chose, But how does he do it? And it looks
22:27
Speaker 1: so natural from a guy who's seven to four. I've
22:29
Speaker 1: never seen that before. Imagine Matumbo taking that shot, right.
22:34
Speaker 4: He just looks so exhausted the whole time. I thought
22:37
Speaker 4: he was just going to give out at some point,
22:39
Speaker 4: like late in the third and the fourth quarter.
22:41
Speaker 2: He just kept going.
22:42
Speaker 4: He kept me his face looked exhausted, but he just
22:44
Speaker 4: kept going. And that's the I mean, that's the desire
22:47
Speaker 4: that everybody wants from.
22:48
Speaker 1: We discussed this yesterday. It's it's it reminded me of
22:52
Speaker 1: David Robinson winning the MVP. Elijah Wan being pissed that
22:56
Speaker 1: he didn't win the MVP, and then in Game one
22:59
Speaker 1: when they awarded David Robinson the MVP, Elijah won went
23:02
Speaker 1: for forty and they won Game one and ended up
23:05
Speaker 1: winning that series. It reminded me of that last night.
23:07
Speaker 3: Yes yeah, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, and it feels like
23:10
Speaker 3: it feels like Wemby is redeeming his brother in spurs hood.
23:14
Speaker 3: You know what I mean by going to bat for yeah,
23:17
Speaker 3: you know, for David Robinson in that capasse. Also, it's
23:19
Speaker 3: so similar to that twenty sixteen game against the Warriors
23:23
Speaker 3: where step hit that thirty ball from that very same spot.
23:26
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, man, Tim is a flat circle.
23:30
Speaker 1: Bro put it on the poul. Taylor is time a
23:33
Speaker 1: flat circle. Taylor has a new award he wants to
23:36
Speaker 1: introduce to you. Let's see what you think about it.
23:38
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Taylor.
23:39
Speaker 6: So, Taler, I think the MVP is kind of overrated,
23:41
Speaker 6: and I think Game one proved that yesterday with Wemby
23:44
Speaker 6: outperforming SGA. So I want to introduce to you the
23:48
Speaker 6: BPA Belt, the Best Player Alive Belt, and it's an
23:53
Speaker 6: award that could change hands. It doesn't have to wait
23:55
Speaker 6: until the end of the season. The BPA Belt can
23:59
Speaker 6: change at a moment's note, if this committee looks at
24:01
Speaker 6: Wemby AND's like, Okay, Wemby is now the best player alive.
24:04
Speaker 6: If five years from now a new player comes and
24:06
Speaker 6: wants the belt, then you could have that conversation.
24:09
Speaker 5: Kind of like a cool version of the face of
24:10
Speaker 5: the league.
24:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like it.
24:13
Speaker 3: I like it because I mean, he's for sure elevated
24:16
Speaker 3: in my best player in the World rankings this postseason,
24:19
Speaker 3: yeah to number one, right yes, I'd say he's number
24:22
Speaker 3: one right now. And even even before the postseason started,
24:25
Speaker 3: I've always been high on Wemby, like he was personally
24:27
Speaker 3: my my number three, Like I had, you know, Shaye
24:29
Speaker 3: Yogic in him, and I think that he's perhaps leaf
24:31
Speaker 3: progged both of them. He's for sure leaf Frog Yogic
24:33
Speaker 3: in my opinion after the show and Yogic had this postseason.
24:36
Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, I'd be all for that. We
24:38
Speaker 3: like some some what's what what's them? What's the WWE belt?
24:43
Speaker 3: The you where you can cash out at any time?
24:45
Speaker 6: The money in the bank, like yeah.
24:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, money in the bank.
24:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need we need to have it just like that, bro,
24:51
Speaker 3: Like like the committee can come and strip it from
24:54
Speaker 3: you after a performance, because they would have.
24:56
Speaker 2: Shore ran down on SGA last night like hey we
24:58
Speaker 2: need that, bro.
25:00
Speaker 1: Dylan Harper is ahead of SGA, right, I mean he is, Yeah.
25:04
Speaker 6: PA rank for the bp A ranking.
25:06
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
25:06
Speaker 2: Bp A rankys.
25:07
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I'm not gonna go back, but he's just yes,
25:15
Speaker 3: he's incredible. Yes, he's like like you know, a whole
25:18
Speaker 3: thing is you know that the discussion was, you know,
25:21
Speaker 3: does when we have you know, a number two guy
25:23
Speaker 3: that he can really on and Dylan has just been
25:25
Speaker 3: he just might be that guy like like they missed
25:27
Speaker 3: you know, of course he started in place for Fox
25:30
Speaker 3: and they didn't miss a beat, Like, yeah, bro.
25:32
Speaker 1: They did it. That's the Aaron Fox.
25:34
Speaker 4: They're gonna need him because you're not going to get
25:35
Speaker 4: forty one and twenty four from Vic every day.
25:38
Speaker 2: But that I mean, it's just you.
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean we have no idea.
25:41
Speaker 5: I mean, he's that driven.
25:42
Speaker 1: You're right, the Jenkins of Jones podcast wherever you get
25:45
Speaker 1: your podcast. We appreciate you doing this, man, I want
25:48
Speaker 1: to do it more often, so hopefully we will. Man,
25:50
Speaker 1: thank you.
25:51
Speaker 2: It was a blast, man, for sure. We got to
25:53
Speaker 2: do it again. Man, let's do it.
25:54
Speaker 1: Uh, let's make it irrational Tuesday. Every Tuesday, just you
25:57
Speaker 1: and I just throwing ship and see what sticks against
25:59
Speaker 1: the wall.
26:02
Speaker 2: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. Gentlemen, Thanks Tomer.