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LA-7 First Impressions | British Invasion! | The Warbird Episode You've Been Waiting For | DCS · High Alpha Hooligans Podcast

• FiFi: Yeah, so when you guys are talking about this episode and saying something about the British invasion, I thought we were gonna talk about the Beatles. Now I have to talk about... Now... Now I have to talk about... Jesus. Save me. Save me. SCUD: That's not what this is about. I'll shake it up baby now. No, not that kind of British invasion. Jimmy: You're the Big Beatles guy. SCUD: This is about World War II in the Brits though. Airplanes, let me talk about the Beatles on, funny, this was not set up ahead of time, but I do have my Abbey Road shirt on. Jimmy: airplanes. FiFi: I'm like That's that's not ⁓ my god, can we just start the episode now? Jimmy: Abbey Road, take me home. SCUD: No, what they did you just holy shit. He just took Abbey Road to Beatles in British and he started singing American music like that. Jimmy: Is that not it? Listen, I am I am cultured. All right FiFi: Yep, I'm cutting it here. We're starting the episode. ⁓ SCUD: Welcome to High Apple Hooligans everybody. I'm Scott. We got Fifi confused about what kind of Brit stuff we're talking about and Jimmy is lost entirely, but we're all here. ⁓ This is going to be an episode about British Warbirds. We're going to talk about the Spitfire and the Mazze. But first, let's talk about our sponsor. Fox 3 Managed Solutions. Luck. Big shout out. Jimmy: I still have that song in my head, dude. SCUD: Thank you for everything you do for us, all the support. Also our partners, Eagle Dynamics, and ⁓ we've talked about it already before, but our partner, Flight Sim Expo, just around the corner, yet it is official, we are officially partners with them. We will be there in June. ⁓ I know there's a whole bunch of hooligans that are gonna show up and hang out with us there. That's gonna be awesome, but you should all sign up, join up, get your tickets and come. FiFi: It's official. Jimmy: Media partners, baby. SCUD: See us and all the other cool flight sim stuff there. You can get your tickets at a link that we will have in the description of the video. ⁓ Also, another new partner, Sim Gaming Expo in Chicago in September. And we are going there as special guests. We will have a booth. We will maybe be doing a Q &A panel and we'll be recording a podcast live there, all kinds of fun stuff. So look up Sim Gaming Expo. We'll have more information on that as we start getting closer to it. FiFi: Remember to do that. Jimmy: you FiFi: Yeah, that was a fun conversation. That was a lot of that was a fun conversation Jimmy: more to come. SCUD: ⁓ Yeah, that that was it's that's going to be a good time. Sim Gaming Expo, not just flight sim stuff. They're going to try to get a lot of flight sim stuff there, but it's all sim gaming. So if you're into truck driving games, race car games or any other sim gaming. Farm sim gaming. Yeah, there may be a dogfight tournament there. ⁓ Yeah, lots of lots of stuff to develop on that, but that's a new one. ⁓ Jimmy: Arm? Farmin? FiFi: Possibly, possibly a dogfight tournament at the expo. At the expo. SCUD: Yeah, and then we get, yeah, go ahead. Jimmy: question. What's up with all that SimFab stuff you have in the back? SCUD: This? Oh, shit. Hey, Sim Fab. We've given you a couple episodes for free so far. Why don't you give us a call, hook us up, or maybe on the next episode, I might have to cover that up. Jimmy: Yeah, that thing. FiFi: Yeah, what? I do I do need a new I do need to get a new chair though because this I bought this chair from waterfront rescue mission Which is like salvation army down here for like $19 and 67 cents and it is like I'm sliding forward out of it now It's like I'm waiting for the like it to collapse in the piston to go straight through SCUD: Hahaha! That will that will be pleasant. That's great. So hashtag sim fab. Everybody hashtag sim fab. Make them watch this sim fab. Hook us up. Okay, so we're already getting putting your shit on here. So hook us up. Jimmy: Our email address is hi. Yep. Our our our. Yep, our email address is high alpha hooligans at gmail.com. Hit us up. Or be chicken. FiFi: . Hashtag Fifi needs a new chair. you SCUD: Since we're talking gaming shit and Fifi needs a new chair, anyone who wants to send Fifi chair, let us know. Give me his address. No, but I do want to say I've had this chair for a while. Secret Labs chair. Holy shit. It is one of the best gaming chairs I've ever had. And honestly, the packaging was one of the it was one of the best package products I've ever received. The instructions, everything the way it was wrapped. And then I had a problem with the strut. It wasn't working. FiFi: You Jimmy: Ha ha! FiFi: I was thinking about doing that. I was thinking about getting one. Jimmy: Yeah. What's the brand on this one? SCUD: And when I called him and told him they sent me one and it was packaged like it was wrapped in packaging wrapped in plastic and then in a box and the box was like cut out at the phone was cut out to fit the cylinder perfectly like that sim fab or not sim fab but a secret lab. FiFi: Yeah, check this out. Look, my chair is like. Jimmy: They had mm They had a moza level packaging on that. SCUD: So ⁓ Secret Lab, us call. There's your one for free. FiFi: This new one's for free. SCUD: News today on the DCS side. New airplane, new airplane drop. FiFi: Yes. Jimmy: Beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep! FiFi: Hot start news hot hot off the presses. Yeah. SCUD: Very appropriate, very appropriate. This is bulletproof by Barnes. All right. So so this is about the British warbirds, but we're going to give you like the hey, we've flown it for like 45 minutes to an hour. First impressions of the new L.A. seven that just dropped the Russian warbird. Jimmy: Bulletproof Bob Barnes here. We just call it English or European warbirds. SCUD: Yeah, there's not, we haven't flown it enough to talk in depth about it, but I do think we should give first impressions of it since it just dropped. Jimmy: Wub wub wub. FiFi: Right? Yeah, since you guys like immediately downloaded it and it was like, we're going to try it out. That was actually kind of cool. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Got to. FiFi: One, it's 40 bucks. SCUD: Yeah, it's only 40 bucks early access. All right. It's just 20. It's just $10 four times. FiFi: It's only, it's 40 bucks. It's 20 bucks twice. So... Exactly. That's how you know, like that's how you know like some people worked in like sales at some point in their life because you know, like you break it down to the ridiculous. When you're talking about trying to make a sale, like when I was like, when I was trying to sell like somebody like a new Harley Davidson. Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, like we would break it down to the ridiculous like... Jimmy: It's only ten dollars four times! SCUD: It's eight $5 bills like. Jimmy: Ha Bro this ain't nothing, it's only 40,000 pennies alright? SCUD: Yeah, it's four Starbucks coffees, all right? Maybe five. Jimmy: ⁓ that's actually dude. That's wicked accurate with Starbucks pricing. FiFi: Your brand new motorcycle payment is only like $10 a day. come on, you could spend $10 a day. that's like, and then people are like, oh yeah, that's not too bad. guess I'm gonna buy that motorcycle and next thing you I'll sell an Harley's. But anyways. All right, cool. SCUD: Comrades, we need fighters faster than Germans. Jimmy: What if we make it out of aluminum and aluminum only? SCUD: It's too expensive. Jimmy: Mmm. FiFi: What if we make it out of wood? Jimmy: ⁓ SCUD: Yeah! Jimmy: That's cheap. ⁓ FiFi: All right. There we go. That's good enough. ⁓ going to be great. SCUD: That's fucking stupid. That's fucking stupid. All right. So the LA seven just dropped and and if he has not flown it, he's been watching me and Jimmy jumping and fly it. Jimmy, what are your first thoughts? What's your like initial day one jump in the plane? Do you want to tell people what it is? We'll need about it first. FiFi: Alright, and cut. Jimmy: Yeah, so the LA-7 Russian Warbird came after the LA-5. It is a... it's intended as a interceptor. Yep, yep, exactly. You know, it just fell comfortably between the 5 and the 9, you know what saying? It's a good... it's a low to mid-level fighter, so its domain is ground to 15,000 feet. It's got some technology on it that's... SCUD: before the LA 9. FiFi: It came after the LA5 and the 9. Yeah, it makes sense. SCUD: you Jimmy: good for the age, good for the era as front leading slats. It's a good airplane. It held an impressive record in World War II on the Eastern Front, you know, at the end of the war. It did come in at the end of World War II. It was introduced first flown in 1944. it is, yep, is the apex predator of the Red Army. FiFi: Yeah, it's like mid 44. Jimmy: of the sky for the time. And it was built to fight the 109, the 190s. mean, it's, it is a low altitude apex predator. FiFi: So interesting facts. I went and looked up some interesting facts. just the facts. Basically. So there's the poop joke. So yeah, so actually one of the top aces for the Russian Air Force flew the LA-7. SCUD: Yeah, it is. Go ahead. Go ahead. Fifi's got the facts. Jimmy: What? ⁓ Ooh, Factoids. I took a dump today and had Google. SCUD: Just a fax, man. Jimmy: That's when I do my best research. SCUD: Poop joke. Jimmy: My bad. Mm hmm. Yep. FiFi: So it was pretty potent in the short amount of time that it was. It's got credited with two ME-262 kills as well. It is a jet killer. And then it actually had speed paint on it. So for everybody out there who was in the car world, everybody knows it sticks to make your car go faster. And it's 100 % true because it was proven by the Russians because they actually had to put a special veneer lacquer paint on it since the whole thing was made out of wood. And... SCUD: Ooh, damn. Jimmy: ain't. FiFi: they actually had to sand it down and then repaint and sand it down. They actually found out that they got a few kilometers an hour out of it ⁓ just by painting it properly. ⁓ Because originally they thought that it was going to go faster because of where they moved the intakes to the wing roots, which also caused the pilots to pass out in the cockpit because they were sucking exhaust fumes down. But, but the paint actually made it go faster. So there you go, there's your weird LA-7 facts. Jimmy: Whatever. SCUD: Not important. Jimmy: Yeah. And, and that reminded me of a few things. It is a, it is credited. It's not like super duper fast. It's not like 450 miles per hour, but it does accelerate. Yeah. Four, four 10, four 11. ⁓ It is credited as having for the era, some of the better acceleration within its area. Yeah. Well, I mean, what's heavy though, but I mean, SCUD: That's cool. FiFi: I 410. SCUD: cousin made wood I like how Jimmy says 410 411 just he's like 410 plus or minus one kilometer an hour Jimmy: Yeah. Well, no, it's top rated speed is 411. FiFi: ⁓ yeah, there's there's scuds. You just hit scuds like pet peeve. Remember when we were like, we're flying formation? He's like, hey, lead, how fast you going? I'm doing 413 knots. Just fucking tell me 400 and slow down. SCUD: in Jimmy: No, because because I SCUD: Yeah, so go ahead. ⁓ Jimmy: Yeah, that was one of the metrics I looked at. looked at its speed compared to the Mustang, the Spitfire, and the 109. And the LA7 was in the first column and it was 411. SCUD: I know, I just thought it was funny the way you said 410, 411. 410, give or take one knot. One kilometer. I was hoping that wouldn't hit the podcast. Thanks, Vivi. Jimmy: Hold on. FiFi: Could you yeah six seven six seven Jimmy: ⁓ my God, dude, I've got a hilarious story for you of 30 seconds. So I work with the after school program and you know, the kids are awesome. And one day one of the kids goes, six, seven. I was like, that is, I mean, and they looked at me like, ⁓ you can say anything. I was like, I don't care. I think it's stupid, but you know, whatever. And he goes, bro, all you old people go six, nine. And you guys think that's freaking hilarious. And I was like. Point taken, continue. FiFi: Valid. Okay. Now that we've gotten thoroughly off track. SCUD: Valid, valid. Do you know what 69 means? No, shut up, idiot. All right. So, yes, it's ⁓ late entry, kind of peak of Russian fighter technology. That being said, it feels like it should have come out in the beginning of World War Two when you fly all the other warbirds, because it is like. Jimmy: As I was. SCUD: the Russians lag behind in their tech when it came to what we were building versus them. 14 cylinder dual roll radial engine. So if you think this is going to be like the I-16, ⁓ it's not. It's way, way higher performing than that and way more gooder. And ⁓ like Jimmy said, it's not a high altitude airplane. It's a low to medium altitude fighter, which is because that's Jimmy: Gooder. SCUD: what they needed to defend their country against the Germans coming in. They didn't need to go up high and escort bombers across, you know, France. ⁓ And in that very short legs, very, very short legs. But that tends to happen ⁓ when you look at other warbirds that were built for that purpose. We'll talk about it. The Spitfire is not a long range escort plane. You can put extra tanks on it, but it was designed to protect the United Kingdom. ⁓ The 109 was built to protect Germany in Jimmy: also not long range. Yep. A third. SCUD: German occupied territory. The LA-7 was designed to protect Russia and Russian occupied territory. And so it, I really like this after flying it for only a short amount of time. There's my first impressions, there's some really good and then there's also something that I think is really bad. ⁓ 3D model and visuals are phenomenal. The airplane is up to par with any other major module that you'd buy as far as how it looks. with one exception and that's the mirror. It doesn't look like a mirror. It looks like they just took an extra window of an aft looking view and pasted it where the mirror should be. Jimmy: It feels like cheap. FiFi: Yeah, that was weird. Jimmy: Dude, what, it looks like you have like a phone just like up here and it's like a, that's what it looks like and it's like. SCUD: Yeah, it looks like an iPhone clipped up there. So if you've if you've driven any like new car where the rear view mirror is not a mirror, where the rear view mirror is a screen with a camera looking back, that's that's what this mirror looks like. So on that aspect, I guess the Russians were way ahead of technology. FiFi: Once you see it. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. FiFi: But if that's literally the only gripe so far on the module, that's pretty awesome. Jimmy: cleanest mirrors ever. SCUD: That's the only gripe on the 3D model. Yeah, visually. Otherwise it is stunning to include the fact that the cowls open and you can see the entire engine, which we have not had on a warbird. Jimmy: Visually visually. Yeah, the the 3d model. Yep FiFi: Or when you showed me, when you looked down along the floorboards, the cables moving in the pulleys when you're working the controls and stuff like that. So that's really cool. When you're flapping. When you're the flippity-floppity. Yeah. Jimmy: When you're flapping. Yeah, the the the exterior model is fantastic too, because like sometimes. I don't know if it's like maybe like the community mods, but like sometimes it feels like the exterior model just kind of like is like overlooked compared to like the textures of the interior of the cockpit, but the exterior is perfect. Like every scene is textured. You can see like all the bendy bendy's. You can see the rivets. You can see all the deviation in like. SCUD: You Jimmy: every seam it's it's it's good especially where the canopy like the canopy slide rail i don't know what it is about it but it's modeled really really well and just everything like the cow flaps the motor like everything is visually pleasing on the eyeballs SCUD: I hate to say this, but here we are with another new warbird, right? And we've gotten a few warbirds, but this is the newest. And I'm going to say that now that we're getting newer and newer warbirds, this visual model for the LA7 makes the Mustang 3D model feel very dated. Exterior. When I look out at the wings and the Mustang, it looks like it's now kind of subpar. Jimmy: ⁓ darn. Yeah, I would take that. SCUD: compared to the textures we get on the Corsair and now the LA7. So they've knocked it out of the park with a 3D model. ⁓ The flying. Jimmy: Yeah. Yeah, even like the little pins like the pin, the gear pins that extrude through the top of the wing. Like there's no question that's not just like an image that is like a pin sticking up so you can visually see like gear extended. Like it's it's crisp. It is. SCUD: Yeah, they did really good with it. ⁓ Flight model wise, ⁓ so far, I would say it's kind of on par with the 109. It's not got the speed of the Mustang, but it does snap roll. It does got leading edge slats. And when I'm fighting against the instant actions are against 109 or 190. When I'm fighting against a 109, I feel like it's a very even match. It is a tight turning. Jimmy: It's a big wing too. SCUD: Yes, yeah, it's I wouldn't say it's Spitfire level turning, but it is it is definitely ready to go toe to toe down low with the 109. FiFi: mean, that's what it was designed to go against. it's good to see that it's represented well in the game. And that was actually a cool surprise watching it fly it and then, you know, looking over on the wing and watching the slats pop out. We're like, ⁓ shit, it's slats. SCUD: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ Jimmy: Dude, like it's not just like, like with its crisp like textures, when those like, when those slats move, like, they move it, FiFi: Yeah, they moved them. ⁓ SCUD: ⁓ The systems, right? So I think this is another one where they crushed it because it's it is as complicated as any Russian warbird should be. is is it is complex. The start procedure is is complicated when you when you have to like as the engine starts hand pump fuel in and then the engine start system runs off compressed air. But but that compressed air also is FiFi: It's very Russian. Jimmy: Yeah. SCUD: your brakes. And if you don't do the right things with the valves, you could start the engine and then find out you have no brakes. I struggled to figure out how to get the landing gear to go down because my landing gear wouldn't extend and then it wouldn't emergency extend because I didn't know I needed to use compressed air to emergency extend it. And then I'm trying to figure out why the gear wouldn't work. Sometimes it would. Sometimes it wouldn't. Well, it's because if you don't do what you're supposed to with the gear, you destroy the hydraulic pump. Jimmy: I got an analogy. FiFi: the SCUD: But then even if you do what you're supposed to do with the gear, the flaps don't come down. I'm trying to figure out why the flaps don't come down. And it's because of the way the hydraulic system is built and all these things that I thought were wrong with it. As I read about it, I'm like, no, these are all, it is exactly as complicated as it is supposed to be. What's your analogy? FiFi: you Jimmy: Dude, it's like, so it's like starting a Model T while scuba diving and trying to hold on to a Mustang. FiFi: you SCUD: Yeah. ⁓ so. Jimmy: That's actually, it's, it's, tell me it's wrong. ⁓ SCUD: I love the complexity. think it's fun. I really like the complexity of systems. And I think that is an area that like if you download it and fly it, you need to read up on the systems because it will bite you. It will not do what you expect it to do. Jimmy: ⁓ absolutely. I like that. ⁓ absolutely bro like. FiFi: So it's safe to say that it's a true study level kind of aircraft. SCUD: for just the simple things like starting the engine and keeping your brakes working and getting the flaps and gear to work like all the things you take for granted and all these other planes. It's like now you gotta do it just right. FiFi: You Jimmy: The air pressure alone by itself because the brakes run off of the same air pressure that runs the starter that I don't know what else it runs because the flaps and yeah, yeah, like if you don't shut off your starter air starter valve, it will continuously put all that air pressure into your engine, which is running by itself. So it's just drinking all of it. And then you just watch your gates go, get fuck brakes, you know, and then you pull forward and you're like, I ain't got no brakes. SCUD: It runs the pneumatic system for the guns. Hahaha FiFi: You ain't got no brakes. Jimmy: I know what's wrong with it. Ain't got no brakes in it. It's good. you. You have to know you have to. It is study level. It is definitely DCS level Warbirds and you're going to have a bit of pride when you fly this thing and you get back and you put your gear down and you still have brakes because you remembered sequentially what systems have to function. In like in sequence without forgetting to shut off other ones and bleeding everything out so. SCUD: Again, no breaks. ⁓ I would like to good. Yeah, very, very well done with the complicated systems. FiFi: So. Well guys, that sounds great. It sounds like it's an absolutely wonderful module. But please tell me, is there anything that could be improved upon? SCUD: Yeah. And if octopus may be watching this ⁓ Mag 3 responded when we call that a few things. So maybe these guys will ⁓ I think this is is an early access module. This is this is damn near a home run hit and then right is right as the ball is going out. You know, right as it's crossing the fence line, ⁓ sound engineering, sound sound effects jumps in with a glove and just catches the ball says not no home run today. Jimmy: ⁓ SCUD: I think that for all of the amazing things that this early access module presents right now, the sounds are lackluster. And you wouldn't know that when you started up because the sounds on the ground idling and taxing and starting up sound phenomenal. And then once you get it in flight, it is just dead on sound. We talked about it in past episodes where the sounds give you an immersion. FiFi: Ooh, good analogy. SCUD: and make the airplane come alive and feel real. We've talked about heat blurs, incredible work with sound and how you can hear every little rattle in the cockpit when it's buffeting. You can hear the teeth chattering and every, you know, the sounds of acceleration and the sounds of like moving the airplane around. All of that comes into your ears and it gives you this great immersion. This doesn't have that at least doesn't have that yet. The only thing that changes on engine sound at all is prop RPM. And so when you punch the prop forward and start manipulating the throttle. There is no change in sound at all. There's no change in exhaust note as the manifold pressure changes as you dive the airplane fast. There's no real crazy auditory sound that you're going fast. If you get it into the stall on the Buffett, there's hardly any sound of Stahler Buffett. There is a little whistle when the canopy is open when you get close to a stall. But when I'm fighting in it, there's a lot of time where I feel like it feels numb. Jimmy: Yeah. SCUD: I know I'm accelerating, I know I'm accelerating on the Bandit or I know I'm decelerating to not overshoot the Bandit, but I have no auditory clues to give me the sensation that it feels real. And so on that one, that robbed them of a home run. Jimmy: I want, if I could offer suggestions. So there is a little bit of like Buffett sound like Scott said. Like you can hear like, it sounds like a pizza box that's empty getting dropped on the floor when it starts a Buffett. Super. super quiet, like you've got to listen for that and don't be talking to anybody on Discord. You got to bring that up. And then also with the Buffets, there's cabling everywhere. Give us some sounds of like cabling, you know, stressing or, you know, slapping against the floor. And then also the front console, you get a little bit of shake, but I want to be able to hear that as well. Like for everybody who flies DCS without motion, without a butt kicker, without, you know, force feedback, there needs to be audible and visual cues to those Buffets. So and speed like you need like when you go fast, you can hear like a little bit of like wind going past the canopy, but it's like it is not. It does not impress upon your mind's eye or your mind's ear. The correlation of like actual speed. Yeah, cause you, you, it's good. You hit it like dead. It, does feel that because you can be in a turn pulling and you're at the edge of a buffet. hear the little faint, you know, and then that's, you know, you get a little bit. SCUD: Your mind's here. Jimmy: if you have force feedback, but we need we need more to know that we're near a stall, you know, there's turbulent air slapping, you know, the exterior of this is aircraft. SCUD: Planes make noise when they shake. It's loud. Like that's where that's where that's where he blur like hit it really well. Like like in the when I flew the 38 when you turn in the 38, I mean, you've got a headset on and earpieces in and all this noise. And when you turn that thing in, it buffets like it you're a pressurized cockpit and you can hear the canopy rattling like this is a wooden cable controlled warbird with a thin canopy like this thing should be making a shit ton of noise. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Really? Yeah. Yep. SCUD: when it shakes. So anyways, if they're listening, if they're watching, that's our advice. That's our gripe. That's our one gripe, that in the mirror. And it's early access. So here's hoping that maybe they improve the sounds. Jimmy: Yep. Same thing happened with the Iowa when it came out. Like lot of people had issue. It didn't sound good, you know, and you know, that was rectified over time. And I'm, I'm, I'm sure, you know, the voice of the player base, if we say we want better sounds, you know, I think we're going to get better sounds. And we're not saying that it's bad. It's the plane is fantastic. The one thing that neither Scudder I mentioned so far is this thing has 20 millimeter cannons. cannons like not machine guns cannons and it is nice to be able to snipe a German fighter for once and hit it with a three round burst and kill the engine instantly and walk away like, haha, suck it. You know, cause we're used to all dude it is. SCUD: Yeah, it does pack a punch. You know what else has cannons though? It has a war- FiFi: the Oh, do tell. SCUD: The Spitfire. Jimmy: How you gonna say Pee-Pee's dad? FiFi: Oh wow. SCUD: ⁓ Can we can we just throw the Fifi's dad song on this episode maybe at the end? All right. ⁓ So we need to move on and start talking about the the the warbirds the the British warbirds. I would like to throw in now just so it's not at the very end. ⁓ I would like to throw something that I forgot to say at beginning in and that is ⁓ stay tuned for our Patreon that's going to be launching soon. Jimmy: We haven't gone there for a while. I'm sorry, know. Dude. Did you see? SCUD: And I wanna just talk about a few things that we know are gonna happen on that. There's gonna be different tiers. We'll let you know when it actually goes live. ⁓ But ⁓ there's gonna be some swag that's given out depending on what tier you get to, some special access to us through the Patreon and through our Discord. There's gonna be a repository with all the missions that we build and fly. ⁓ And... What we're gonna do for the first time on this episode is when the episode's done, we're gonna record our post show behind the scenes of the episode, and that will be something you can access on Patreon. So I just wanted to make that now, that in the future here, look out for it. ⁓ And with that, let's jump into the Brit invasion, the Beatles, Beatlemania. Yeah, way before that. FiFi: Anyways. SCUD: All right. ⁓ Fifi's just, he just looks grumpy because we've already done a Mustang episode and now we have, he has to sit and listen to a Spitfire episode. FiFi: I love the Spitfire. It's a great plan. I have nothing against it. I just... Yeah, it is. You could say, yeah, one, Tom Hardy, two, Dunkirk. But no, you could say that the Spitfire was the one tool in the Allies' arsenal that kept the Germans from taking over all of Europe. Hands down. Jimmy: Dude SCUD: The Spitfire is iconic. Let's start with that. It is absolutely iconic. Go watch Dunkirk. party. FiFi: the Spitfire and the Hawker Hurricane before I get any hate. But those two aircraft were the two aircraft that saved World War II before the US entered. Jimmy: it stopped the access powers at the channel. FiFi: Yep. And it deserves it deserves the SCUD: Yeah, they were they were intercepting and shooting down buzz bombs that were flying in to England. I mean, it's it's it is a great airplane. FiFi: Yeah, it deserves a love. this is a long awaited, this is a long, long awaited episode. As much as we fly warbirds, I'm so glad that we're here talking about them now. Like, especially... SCUD: Well, and it's not just this it's it's this and then we'll follow this up with the Mazi, but we're starting with the spit FiFi: Yeah, we're starting with so let's talk about spit. Yeah, let's talk about the spit then. Jimmy: dynamic duo. SCUD: Let's talk about the spit. have an interesting fact about the Spitfire. ⁓ When you wouldn't. There were a lot. The ⁓ what is one of the most iconic things visually about the Spitfire? See if you guys guess it. The elliptical wing in the in the world of airplane design and lift over drag, which is a big part of designing a wing. FiFi: that there was like 30 different versions of it. the elliptical wings. SCUD: Not just during World War Two, but for many decades and decades, if not still today, but I know for a long time, like well into into the 20th century, that elliptical wing has the most efficient lift over drag curve. of all the other wings that have been designed for all the planes to follow, that airplane creates the most efficient amount of lift versus drag than any wing that's been designed. FiFi: Man, it explains why it turned so well and what speeds that it did it at. SCUD: It is a turning airplane. Jimmy kick us off with some, what do you want to talk about? You want to jump into the 3D model, flight model? you want to go to? Jimmy: Yeah. Let's talk, let's talk 3D model. How's it look? FiFi: think it's a little dated. ⁓ It's an older module it's okay to say that like it deserves to be refreshed but with that being said like it means you're gonna get like a pretty fleshed out module as well so it's everything's pretty much works as well as it should work and I don't I don't think there's really any bugs to it and the mirror is nice so you guys can't talk about the mirror SCUD: ⁓ well. It is an older module, just like the Mustang. It's a little dated. Very flushed. Jimmy: Yeah. would I would kind of ⁓ yeah it does it looks like a mirror it is I would so three yeah I would I wouldn't say that the 3d models dated because because I fly at very high resolution inside of a very high resolution headset and you know SCUD: It's got a great mirror. I love it. It's one of the two best mirrors in DCS. That and the Black Shark. They're like the two best mirrors in DCS. FiFi: You It's all good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, hold on Jimmy's wallets barking Jimmy: you know, pound pound, pound a blast. But I mean, visually, visually, when you sit inside that cockpit, like it is, it's good. Everything stands out. There's, know, every switch, every lever, every handle stands out. It pops. There's nothing sitting flat. There's no question of is this like, you know, a picture? No, this is a this is a proper 3D model. I think it looks good. SCUD: You FiFi: I mean it's gotta look good, it's gotta look inside that cockpit for you to find where all the frickin switches are, cause they're all over the place. SCUD: Yeah, I was going to say it looks great. It looks great. If you want to be in it, if you want to be in an airplane that feels more like you're in a submarine with wings, the British interior design man is mind boggling to me that half the switches aren't labeled. And that's just the way they are. You're like, you expect at least a label saying this switches does this now. They're not labeled. And then they're backwards. Like on is backwards and down is on. And there's Jimmy: There's like, there's like three switches. Yeah, left left butt cheeks, the only three FiFi: Thank Jimmy: Aft is FiFi: the SCUD: some weird stuff there. ⁓ And yeah, you look around and you're surrounded with like by copper pipes and tubes and brass. It's like it is. It's it's super marine and it's definitely like marine airplane. And that goes to the compass as well. I mean, I really like the compass in the American Warbirds and the compass in the German Warbirds are kind of weird. And then the compass in the Spitfire is Jimmy: brass pipes. It's not It is not big. It is not big at all. SCUD: It's like they literally took it out of a Navy ship and just put it between your legs. You have to like lean forward and look down on it and be in level flight. It is a it is such an it's so British. FiFi: Okay. ⁓ But you know what the crazy thing is? Pilots in World War II were flying that thing with six hours of flight training. SCUD: Yeah, that's true, man. It ⁓ is a great airplane to fly, flight model-wise. I love the way the Spit flies. ⁓ It is such an incredible turning airplane, ⁓ the normal one. And then the clipped wing, which maybe doesn't turn as well, but roll rate is incredible. ⁓ That's a spicy airplane, but it... Jimmy: Drop me in one. Yep. Yep. Dude, I like the clip. The clippy is spicy. FiFi: Yeah. Well, and well, that clip wing model, I forgot what it is. I'm not even going to try to remember what Mark model it is, but you got to remember that one doesn't have the eight 303s in it or four 303s in it. It's got two 50 cows and then two 20 mils in it. Cause that's like a late war model because that's what it's after they realized that the 303s weren't effective at all whatsoever. And yeah. And so they put, they put 50 cows on there. And so there's two 50 cows and two 20 mils. SCUD: Not enough, not enough punch. Jimmy: You don't say. Oh no no no no, dude, they're effective for ranging your cannon shots. SCUD: Yeah, that's about what it is. FiFi: for your 120 rounds of cannon that you get in the SCUD: Yeah, but yeah, the flight model feels phenomenal. That airplane is it performs really well down low and it is probably the maybe with the exception of the I 16. If you know how to fly it really well, it's probably the best turning warbird we have in the game. is your fight is what everyone wants to do. Like if you're in a Mustang, you should not be getting in a turn fight, right? You should be diving down with speed and then climbing back up to the heavens and FiFi: Let's see if you just put the i16 in there. Jimmy: Ambush. SCUD: You should be doing fast fighting, but when you fly in DCS, everyone wants to turn no matter who it is. Everyone will get into a turn fight and if you're in a spit and you drag somebody to turn fight, you are well suited to win that match with the exception of the 109 the 109 is close. It can turn and fight good, but the spit is. FiFi: Yeah, you're taking somebody's lunch money. Jimmy: Dude, this the spit can turn it can fly slow like it can recover speed quickly like you can do you can ⁓ it's everything you can reverse and that thing too like you if you're in like some scissors dump it you know, hit a hard flare let them go right past you you punch it right back up and you're on their tail. You know like it's it's it's good. SCUD: It's fast too. Yeah. Yeah. As opposed to the flying and playability of it too, as opposed to like the Mustang, particularly the Mustang, but other Warbirds, ⁓ the engine management is so much easier. The Rolls Royce engine is, yeah, one switch to open the oil coolers and you can, for the most part, romp on that engine and not really overheat it. Like, when the Mustang, you're Jimmy: 1 million 1 million score out of 10. One switch. Mm-hmm. SCUD: constantly watching the oil temps. It's a much easier airplane to manage as far as the engine and the other systems. ⁓ Flaps are up or down. That's it. So you don't have to worry about different flap settings. It's just it's simple when it comes to flying it. ⁓ Jimmy: Yep. And weapons is super easy too, like the gunsight is easy, know, bombs is beyond easy. It's one button, you know, like there's. Yeah, it has a, it has the slipper tank and a torpedo tank. Yup. ⁓ I mean, bombing, it's not bad. You can carry 500 pounds cause you can do a 500 center, two fifties on each wing, you know, and you dive on a target with that. You can do some ground strike, no rockets. That's okay. FiFi: Yeah. to get the super cool torpedo fuel part on it. SCUD: Yep, it's got the slip tank, the low drag fuel tank. FiFi: This look, yeah. Jimmy: You know, because we have cannons, because those cannons can punch through everything too. It is simple to use. Yeah. SCUD: ⁓ it's got great ground attack with the cannons. ⁓ I would say the gunsight, unfortunately, unlike the American warbirds, ⁓ the gunsight is fixed. Jimmy: It's not, yeah, not Gero stabilized. SCUD: So it and because that airplane has the ability to turn sharp and pull a lot of alpha for a warbird, ⁓ you find yourself inside the turn on the enemy and ranging and shooting on them. They are way below the spinner like they're the gun sight is great. It's great to like line them up and then you pull until you can't see them in their way down under your nose. And that's where you shoot. ⁓ FiFi: Yeah. ⁓ Jimmy: What I do is I offset so if I'm in a turn with them, I'll go two degrees nose up and I'll look over to the left of the cowling and then I'll hit the left rudder or I'll just roll a little bit more right into them so I bring the guns down across them and I don't want, with the American Warbirds, you drag them into your gunsight, right? With the Spitfire, you kind of roll the gunsight onto them and you can, yeah. No, they gone. SCUD: Yeah, because you can't see them. They're way below the nose. FiFi: Did Jimmy just turned into a real fighter pilot for a second and he see'd Taka with his hands. That was good. SCUD: ⁓ my gosh, was that was yeah, that was good. That was awful. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ What else? Playability and fun. We kind of hit on that a little bit, right? ⁓ I think. FiFi: Yeah, I would say it's one of my top recommendations for warbirds. If people want to fly warbirds, the Spitfire is right there. And on top of that, with the Normandy map, you're flying a Spitfire out of England across the Channel. There is not really anything more to say about it than that. And it's a good looking airplane. Jimmy: Yeah. I- FiFi: It's just a really, really good looking airplane. Jimmy: It does all that, plus it doesn't punish you. Like you don't get you don't get tail slip. You don't you don't snap roll. mean. But you can also recover from it like pretty easily to like if you do push it beyond like its maximum, you can recover that aircraft. Easier than the Mustang, you know. SCUD: You do, but you have to really push it to snap roll. Oh yeah, I would agree with that. And like we said, it's easier to manage the engine and the other systems. It is limited on fuel. It is limited. Yeah, I was going say it's limited on the fuel compared to the other bomber or the other fighters. Sound from the developer I thought was good. I didn't really mind the sound. It didn't feel hollow like we were talking about with the LA-7. It felt complete. And then I got the Echo 19 Sound Pack for it. FiFi: let's talk about the sound. Let's talk about the sound on it. Yeah. Jimmy: It's a... ⁓ the sound is... Mm-hmm. SCUD: And then I was like, ⁓ shit, this is what every module should sound like in DCS. Jimmy: Dude, those pops, those pops, dude. Yes. SCUD: especially an F3 view and you've got three, four, five Spitfires flying in formation, the sound of them going by. So the sounds are good, if you Mustang or a Spitfire, if you haven't gone and downloaded the echo 19 sound pack, are, you're at a disadvantage when it comes to how good this game can sound. I think it's extremely well done, but. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Agree. Completely agree. Yep. Yeah, I like that. SCUD: And I don't know. I'm sure there's some really good like if you if you own the Mustang and you download some campaigns like Blue Nose Bastards of Bodney, I've got that one. And that's that's great. It feels like Mustang flying. It's high altitude bomber escorts and stuff like that. I haven't seen, but I'm sure there are some excellent like Spitfire campaigns that make you feel like what it should like like you were defending England from the invaders type of thing. ⁓ Jimmy: Mm-hmm. User files too. There's there's so much on the user files for the Spitfire FiFi: You know, you... You know, actually there is, there is a really good Spitfire campaign out there ⁓ that I know of that you guys haven't mentioned yet. And it is the one that we host all the time, every Wednesday at Warbird Wednesdays on the high off of Hooligan servers. SCUD: Warbird Wednesday, which we're not flying right now because we're recording. Yeah, I was gonna say it's happening right now. Vader was like, are you guys going to be there? Both me and Jimmy like, nah, bro, we got to go record. Jimmy: It's actually going on right now. FiFi: Yeah, it's gonna be now, yeah. Yeah, we got to regroup, yeah. Jimmy: Sorry. It's yeah, no that in the warbird campaign that that dynamic persistent warbird campaign that we did last month on 175 was man. I didn't want I didn't want to fly anything else and I was like. I didn't. Maazi baby. FiFi: Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, no, you didn't play anything else. That's... You've abandoned all... SCUD: You know what's, you know what's what's what would make them the Spitfire like even cooler? Jimmy: Two engines. SCUD: is if you took two Spitfires and hooked them together and made them out of wood and then put a bomb bay in it. Jimmy: ⁓ Tell me more. FiFi: You know what's funny is when you talk about that, the Mazze actually has double of everything about the Spitfire. Double the engines, double the guns, double the people. ⁓ Jimmy: the people. SCUD: Double the people. Yeah, let's talk about the Mazze. I mean, it is the big brother to the Spit and the wooden wonder. Why would? Go ahead. FiFi: I mean, yeah. So we have to make sure, we need to make sure we stick to the DCS Mazze here because if you guys wanna watch a really, really good video about the Mazze, Fat Electrician has a phenomenal video about the Mazze and the history of the Mazze. So, yeah, no, we are way too small time for that guy. But. SCUD: Federal Electrician, you want to come on the show? Jimmy: Dude, that'd be fin. Awesome. SCUD: you We can, he can come on and talk about Buffy the forehead slayer. FiFi: The DCS mosquito is a really, really well put together module. ⁓ Jimmy: Mosquito! I love that plane. SCUD: It is incredibly well done. Like I was saying made a wood. Why made a wood? Probably. FiFi: Landing struts aside, landing struts aside. SCUD: similar to the LA-7 being made of wood. It's because this is World War II and metals is hard to get and hard to make airplanes out of when your supplies are running low. ⁓ So they made the Mazze out of wood and put two Spitfire engines on it. And that thing is fast, ⁓ fast. So let's get into the 3D model and visuals. Jimmy: Because we need worships. fast, fun bike. Dexie. FiFi: A plus, A plus, 100 % A plus. I love flying it. I love flying the Mazze. ⁓ There's actually a really cool clip on the YouTube, like one of our very first clips that we put up of Skud and I flying the Mazze together. ⁓ Yeah, A plus. There's not much, no complaints about the Mazze visually. ⁓ SCUD: Yeah, phenomenal. Jimmy: Yep. SCUD: I think it is gorgeous. And I do love the engines being just outside of the bubble canopy so that you get a really good look at the flames coming out of the engines when you fly that at dusk or at night. Jimmy: It is the cockpit. FiFi: Yeah, it glows just out of sight. Like you guys nailed it. Jimmy: ⁓ dude, yes it does. And the spitter and sputter like when you first start it, when you first start it and it like it's coughing out the exhaust like FiFi: Or even like with like the iridium gauges at night. And so, and like the little details about like how there's like chipping in there and stuff like that. So you can kind of see that kind of stuff. ⁓ But then there's things that didn't have to get modeled in it, that they did model. And I can appreciate that. Which is like the super secret cool radio in the back. Jimmy: ⁓ yeah, Yep. SCUD: ⁓ the night lighting inside of it's phenomenal. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Beep beep beep, which way's home? FiFi: I have never messed, yeah, I was like, was just trying to lead you in on that because I never messed with it, but I knew Skud was obsessed with it for like a month straight. Yeah. SCUD: I was going to talk about that here in a second. Jimmy: It's like ET radio home. SCUD: Well, so let's talk about the systems then. And this goes to the same thing we've said about the Spitfire. What the hell are the Brits thinking when they design a cockpit? Like, I mean, they can design an airplane beautifully, but when they design a cockpit, is the... I can't wait for the Lancaster to come out just so can see another completely ridiculous Brit design cockpit. It is same thing. The compass is this old ship compass looking thing. And the instrumentation and switches... Jimmy: Mm-hmm. Dude. FiFi: you the SCUD: Half of them aren't labeled and they're all over the place in odd weird places. The gun sight. You'd think it would be really smart to like put the gun sight in front of the pilot. No, it's like every time you shoot, you have to lean way over to look at the gun sight. And ⁓ it is a... FiFi: There is a button. There is a button that you can automatically move to it. But that's I think that's a I think that's a flat panel. It's a flat panel thing. Jimmy: Not in VR like the Lord intended. SCUD: Now, I know it's you got to lean over, man. You got. Yeah, it's like you got to fly it like like, yeah, like the Lord intended. It is multi crew. And the interesting thing about this airplane being multi crew is that is that the navigator does nothing that he's there to do nothing with any systems other than what the pilot wants him to do, like like a real crew member navigator would like you. You put the gear up and down and you move the flaps and you Jimmy: ⁓ my gosh. Who invited this guy? ⁓ there's there. SCUD: you manipulate the fuel switches and things like that. But, but it's not like the other multi crew where that where the other person has a distinct set of like controls that they're manipulating to do something like if you, if you just, you're just sitting there, you're just, you're just hanging out. The radio is behind you. Yeah. Jimmy: behind them too. You're like, you're in the back. No, you're in the backseat. Like sit down, shut up. You're like, okay, like you got you like because the pilots here you're like behind their shoulder like, but here's a quiz for you guys. There's one system that the navigator is the only person that can manipulate and you have to switch the two seat to turn it on. Do you guys know what that is? SCUD: You FiFi: the It's the fuel system, right? It's the fuel tanks, right? In the back, ⁓ Jimmy: The oxygen for the crew, it is up in the wheel well on the right side and you can't manipulate it as a pilot. You have to go from one seat to two seat to go up there and turn it on so you don't pass out. SCUD: No, you can get them from the pilot seat. You just have to turn way around. ⁓ okay. There you go. This is the one thing you have to do. FiFi: Wait, you guys took you guys took the mosquito over like 500 feet AGL? Yeah, Jimmy: ⁓ yeah. SCUD: That's not what it's designed for. ⁓ So on the system's notes, it is complex, but in a really fun way, especially night lighting. Just figuring out how to get all the different lights on the planet, because it's not like you just have wingtip lights. There's like seven different lights you can turn on. Jimmy: It's also simple though, like... ⁓ my gosh. And like you have to angle them too, cause you're landing lights. There's like two little handles. can be like, ⁓ no, no, we're landing. the lights go like here. No, no, we're taking off. And then you'd like adjust. It's like me auto lights. ⁓ FiFi: You SCUD: It is. I will say the radios behind me have always just been eye candy, right? Until I finally like sitting in the navigator seat with nothing to do. I was like, I'm going to figure out these radios and I read a little bit about them and you can like they're they're really complex, but you can get them up and running and turn them on. And if you learn how to run the radios and if a mission builder puts the right type of device in the map and it's a certain type of it has to be added in. by the mission editor, but there is the ability to use the radios in the back to bring up like an ADF NavAid type system where you get needles that show the signal strength. And if you're on course, so you could, and I'm sure there are already campaigns out there where you have to navigate off of that system correctly to get to where they're going. They would drop bombs off that system. They would use the signal strength. Jimmy: Hmm. SCUD: and then arc off of a station in England. And they knew if they arced off the station at the right distance and kept the signal at the right point, that there was another signal that they would see. They would see the needle start to do something with the second signal and that would signal to them, hey, you're about to drop your bombs. And when that needle hit its peak, it was bomb drop. This was all like math calculated so that if you were in the right spot at the right time and the needles told you you were there and that you could drop your bombs without seeing the ground. And all of that is modeled. If the mission builder, the campaign builder puts the right systems in for that. It's just really like, like it's a, whole complex system that they modeled that probably 1 % of the people that fly this airplane have ever messed with, but it's impressive that that's in there. Jimmy: you like electronic triangulation FiFi: And then, and then Sked gets bored. And then Sked gets bored with it and shuts off one engine. SCUD: I don't, I don't know, not, in the Mozzie. When we're flying the Hurk, I would do it. In the Mozzie, I don't have to shut out the engine. It will get shot out. Like, like at least half of every flight, you're going to lose an engine from flak. It's going to happen, which brings us to the flight model. Fantastic. And then you lose an engine, especially if it's a critical engine and you are just foot to the floor, trying to limp that thing back home without rolling over. FiFi: You do it to me all the time. Jimmy: Ha ha ha! Dude, foot to the floor, all the trim, feathered, dude. Yeah. FiFi: Yeah, that flight. That flight model is punishing. But I'm going to do it. I'm going to make an admission in the special menu for the Mazze and a lot of the other warbirds. There is a rudder assist option and I like to use it because I don't want to. I want to fly enjoying the plane. Jimmy: Hmm SCUD: Ooooo ⁓ FiFi: and I don't want to sit there and have to fight it for dear life the entire time. So, thank you. Jimmy: So here's here's SCUD: So yeah, if you're if you're a bitch, you can use the the rudder assist. No, but it is a really well done flight model and it is very difficult to fly this thing on one engine and you are probably going to lose an engine because it's going to get hit. ⁓ That's just the way this this goes. There there there are other things about the flight model that are awesome, too, like this airplane huge wing. Like when you're doing ground attack and just doing big, big wing over chandels to turn back on on target, it's so much fun. Jimmy: I've got SCUD: The wing flex, which you don't see in warbirds, but it's a wooden wing and you pull and you watch those wings flex and you actually get like wingtip vortices coming off of it, which is just brilliant. But it's a wood wing. So you can rip the wings off this airplane when you're fast. And that has happened. They there's so many times, especially right out of a jet into a Mazze and I'm like diving on a target and then I pull off the target and and it just just a fuselage spiraling into the ground because both wings went pop gone. Jimmy: ⁓ dude. Yes. Pull too hard. SCUD: ⁓ I will say that since getting the moza, I have found the mozzie to be way harder to fly at high speed because the moza works with that module when it comes to compressibility. And so when you get this airplane really fast, you don't have a lot of pitch control due to compressibility. And it's very you don't have a lot of fine control. It's like you're pulling all up or all down. And it fights you. And you can see that in the 3D model when you are going fast and you start to pull out of a dive, look at the actual stick in the cockpit. Even though your joystick is moving full back, that flight stick in the cockpit is moving like maybe an inch. Like that's all it's going to give you. ⁓ FiFi: Yeah, that's also something that killed a lot of P38 pilots before they made it to the L model where they put the little dive spoilers out to dirty the air out. Speaking of P38s... SCUD: Yes. Yep. Same thing. P47 has P47 has dive recovery spoilers as well. Jimmy: serve. FiFi: Speaking of P38s, ED, P38, the people want it. The people want it. The people want the P38. Yes. Yes. Listen, if you want these Matriarch cores, you're put out a P38. Yeah. SCUD: ⁓ my God, please. It will sell. Wags. It will sell. Yeah. Jimmy: Hahaha! SCUD: When it comes to the P38, if you build it, they will come. Jimmy: So back to mozzie and we've talked about how fantastic it is to fly I've got to throw out the the hooligan pro tip of the day And that's taking it off Dude everybody so every here's the cycle that everybody goes through ⁓ easily SCUD: I was going to say we didn't talk about takeoff yet. FiFi: Yeah SCUD: the hardest airplane to take off in DCS. Hands down. Jimmy: So here's the cycle everybody goes through. Everybody buys the Mazi. Everybody goes instant action with the Mazi. Everybody goes through, you know, learn to cold start in the Mazi. And then you go to taxi and take off in your Mazi and you start spinning. You're like Tokyo Drift. And it is, it is, it is, it is rough because you have this brain cycle. You're like, ⁓ you know, I'm to use a rudder, but now you don't have enough air cross there to, you know, turn. Then you're like, I'm going try to tap the brakes. No, that ain't going to work either. SCUD: Don't tap the brakes. Jimmy: Now that don't work. And then you're like, Oh, I'm just going to offset with the throttles. Now that ain't, that ain't gonna work either. The Hooligan Pro Tip. When you get lined up, roll five or six feet and make sure your tail wheel is sitting straight down center line because the, whichever direction that tail wheel is pointed when you hit throttle, that's where you're going. And it, it, takes a brain doc to teach you that. SCUD: It is a hard airplane to take off even even having started to get it down. It's not you don't relax like it is still a huge amount of concentration. I still modulate the throttles to try to keep it lined up, but the tail will being straight is the key and then smooth, smooth, slow power push and then the trim learn what the trim needs to be at because it is a wonky trim to get this plane off the ground. And then even then you finally get it off the ground and you're just like all the trim you put in to get off the ground. You're now fighting it. FiFi: Well, ⁓ Jimmy: Smooth, slow power. ⁓ immediately gone. SCUD: You're like, yeah, you're like fighting the plane and then don't put the flaps up right away. That was a mistake. I learned to I was like, ⁓ gear up flaps up. No, no, gear up and then wait a little while. Get some speed. Jimmy: No. Yep. FiFi: End. Jimmy: fly some more. Yeah. FiFi: And then when you, just about when you think you're fast enough to take off, wait another 20 miles an hour and then take off or else. SCUD: Yeah Jimmy: Oh yeah, I hold that nose down for a while. And it's funny, like you mentioned trim, because it is like you got to do a right aileron trim, you're going to right rudder trim, you're going like, buttload of freaking nose down trim. And then as soon as you take off, you're like fighting that immediately stick is back to the left and you're like, flipping it as fast as you can, you know, kind of zero out and FiFi: Well, because it's on those stupid little knobs, right? So that's what the, that's, that's what the bombardier that like the nav is doing. The knobs. Yeah. Yeah. He's just, he's, he's twinning, he's spinning the knobs. Jimmy: What are they on? Stupid little nuts. SCUD: That's what the yeah, that's what the navigator should be doing. Sitting in the Trib and stuff. I feel like I feel like like like once you break ground in the in the Mazee, I feel like it's one of those those circus acts where somebody spinning plates on sticks and you keep running to this plate and spinning this one. And like it just feels like like that is that's what I feel like I'm doing when I'm flying it. Once I get up to once you get it all cleaned up and you're flying though, it's a FiFi: the Jimmy: It is, I compare- SCUD: It's a dream. It trims out really well in flight. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. FiFi: Yeah, once you're over like 250 miles an hour, like that plane is a Cadillac. Or sorry, should I say a Rolls Royce because it's British. Jimmy: It's fast. SCUD: But it's OK. Cadillac, well, first race of one, they did OK. We'll give them time in the season. it is like a Rolls Royce, but with guns and bombs. Let's talk about Boom Boom. Boom Boom. FiFi: Well, the P-51's a Cadillac. Jimmy: So one thing I so we talked about like the odd switchology and everything. The oddest thing with the switchology when it comes to weapon systems has got to be the rockets. Cause it's like a Chinese finger cuff, you know, like the little thing you put it. That's what it is. That's how you arm your rockets. You'd like, ⁓ there's a hole in my fuselage. Rockets are armed. SCUD: It's a it is a Chinese finger trap. FiFi: Yeah SCUD: Yeah, everything it is. It's back to the same switchology, though. You're like, I'm to turn the guns on. Let me open the gun safety switch and then turn the switch down to on. ⁓ And yeah, the rocket switches this this like finger trap that you have to like get your finger under and this it's weird. ⁓ FiFi: Yeah I'm sure it was added as an afterthought. Jimmy: Bump. Dude. Bump. SCUD: ⁓ I'm absolutely sure it was. And the same with the bombs. Like the bomb cabinet. Yeah. FiFi: You mean the bomb cabinet? You start flipping them. Jimmy: It's a household circuit breaker where you're like, don't know which breaker is broken, know, you're flipping them all. SCUD: Yeah. And then there are other weird things too about like, you know, I can't tell you how many times every one of us have gone on a bomb run and then hit the pickle button and we're like, ⁓ the bomb doors. We forgot the bomb doors. But this thing packs a huge hit. Like it's got what is it? What are the cannons in the nose? I can't remember what they are. 420 mils. Jimmy: ⁓ paid tours you gotta open them FiFi: Thank 420 mils and then it's got, it's at least four 303s in it. Jimmy: 8. It's got a- yeah yeah yeah. It's a lot. SCUD: Yeah, it it's a ground pounding beast. Plus, you've got the Rockets and then you've got bombs and you've got bombs in the Bombay and bombs under the wings. We don't have the like the I don't know if the I don't know if the Masieri carried the the the damn busting bombs, but it's got lots. But I don't know. I look the history of it did, but but on the note of all these weapons, though, it's also the most hotass intensive warbird for weapons. FiFi: or you can carry fuel tanks. Jimmy: we We want the barrel bombs. We want the barrel bombs. FiFi: So I. SCUD: Because you need a trigger for guns and then a button for cannons and then a button for bombs and a button for rockets. You've got you could be on you could be attacking a target with four separate button pushes to fire all the weapons. It is a monster and it is ⁓ I don't think bombing is easy in it in a dive. It's like every warbird. You've got to get the speed and the angles just right. But coming in really fast low and putting like an 11 second delay on the bombs. ⁓ So good. You got enough time to drop the bombs peel off, look over your shoulder and then boom 10 seconds later. FiFi: Actually, actually wanted... Actually, actually want to talk about this because I, the last Warbird Wednesdays that I flew in and I was just flying top cover and shooting guns because I was in the Mustang. I saw you two doing these low altitude passes in the Mazis and skipping bombs across the water. And Jimmy, Jimmy was like, yeah, totally. You could do this. And I was like, wait, we could do this in DCS? Like the bomb just, so please, before I lose my, Jimmy: Hahaha! FiFi: Frickin mind, like tell me how you managed to do that. Like that is... SCUD: That was dog. Dog door was the one that taught us this. Jimmy: Easy. Yeah, that was dog. 300 miles per hour low level and then you hit them because the friction when you drop those bombs they don't just stop you know they gotta go somewhere that energy's got to be dissipated it goes pop pop pop pop you know and then you just wait for it to hit a boat it works FiFi: Of course. Cause I saw you guys throwing them into the sides. Like I was like at that moment, like when I, when I got shot down, like within the next like minute and a half afterwards. Yeah. Like I sat there and I actually left the server and then hit download on the Mozzie to like re-download it and put it back in my computer. Cause I was like, I'm going to figure this shit out. Like I have to make this like. Jimmy: I got goosebumps just thinking about it. SCUD: You It's fun doing those low level that mean that's that's what that plane did man low level under the fog. Super high speed ground attack and yes bouncing bombs into side of ships. FiFi: Yeah. I mean, I just want to. Who knows? Who knows the DCS because I did not know that that was even possible. But you guys like were doing it. And I was like, holy shit. Like this thing just got way cooler. SCUD: Yeah. And then you do that at night. We did. We did one ship attack in the Mazze at night and it was a dark night and it's already scary as hell being that low at night. But then you've got these the Mazze has these spotlights so that it can fly at night and see the ground in front of it. But the spotlights like we're lighting up, but I didn't know that. Jimmy: the Miata lights. FiFi: Beep beep beep beep beep Jimmy: Dude, you can put one, you can do one up, one down, like. SCUD: Yeah. Well, there's the landing lights, but you've also got spotlights in the nose. And I didn't know that it did this in DCS because I don't have ever done this before with spotlights on the plane while I'm flying low over the channel. But the water doesn't it lights up green like it's a green light like when the light hits the water, it's a green glow from the water. So being like super low, you know, 50 feet over the water and adjusting your FiFi: you Jimmy: Mm-hmm. SCUD: sensing your height off this weird green, it almost looks like NVG green glow from the water as you're dodging glowing tracer rounds. That was fun. FiFi: So wait, so even in the water at night now is because the green glow is like bioluminescence and you know, photo plankton and shit like that in the water. And that's like, well, there's like a legit thing because like, um, one of the most, one of the most fake. Yeah. Yeah, you did. I listen, I have a toddler. I've watched the movies so many brick at times. Um, but, uh, no, because one of the most famous accounts of talking about that was actually from the movie. Jimmy: bio-illuminescence. I just went to Moana. FiFi: Apollo 13 where Tom Hanks, as Jim Lovell was talking about how he was like finding the carrier on the way back home and he followed the trail. So that's, yeah, that's even modeled in DCS. Like I'm just finding all sorts of shit like. Jimmy: You're right. By a luminescence that was stirred by the carrier. SCUD: Yeah, and I don't know if it's bioluminescence or it's just the way the light reflects through the water at night, but it was a really cool effect. Mozzie super damn fun. ⁓ It is it. Can you fight another fighter in it? Yeah, you can. You better be damn good and they better be really bad if you want to go against the German fighter in it. ⁓ FiFi: I'm gonna take it aside. Jimmy: Fantastic visibility. Bring... just... bring a friend. Bring a friend or just get fast. SCUD: But can you, but if you get jumped by an enemy fighter, can you outrun them in a mazzi? Probably anything is that thing is monstrously fast. Also super easy to manage the engines until they get hit. ⁓ FiFi: So good bye. Jimmy: No, just nose down run. FiFi: ⁓ When they get hit. SCUD: It's the only airplane, because right now it's the only like true multi-engine that's not like a centerline thrust. Well, I take that back. Now we have the C-130. But up until that point, it's the only DCS module we have where single engine or an engine failure in a multi-engine airplane aerodynamics play a factor. there's a speed VMCA, which is your minimum control speed with an engine out. FiFi: Yes, specs on that name. SCUD: And if you get below that speed, you don't have any more control authority to keep the plane upright. It's going to roll over and you have to be above that speed. And in the Mozzie, if you've got one engineer, you can keep it above that speed, but you'll find out really quick when you get slow that there is no stopping this plane from rolling upside down. I've watched Jimmy multiple times come into land and I'm like, don't go slow. Just don't go slow. And then all of a sudden he's like, I need to look F2 him and he's upside down, but you'll find that. FiFi: Yeah, well luckily to help that out. Jimmy: Just drive it in. Just drive it in. SCUD: You'll find that speed really fast when you lose an engine and then your other engine gets hit and you start losing power. And it's this helpless feeling where you're like, I'm giving I can't go any lower. I can't clean up anymore. I can't stomp on the rudder any harder and I'm losing speed. And it is just like this this helpless feeling knowing this. This is not I either need to bail out or need to shut both engines down and glide in and land because once once the other engine starts losing power, you will crash this airplane and it is just phenomenally well modeled. Jimmy: Mm-hmm. You hard boys, time to re-slot. FiFi: Yeah. And then, and then, and then the navigator does his second job, which is pop the hatch so you guys can shuffle out of it. Yeah. SCUD: That's a cool thing too though. When you you do it, when you do bail out the little hatch pops and then your character like leans down and lunges out the door. Jimmy: You punch it. You like roll out, dude. Not that I've ever done that before, you know what I'm saying? SCUD: It's it's a well model there. FiFi: Yeah, no, never, never, never at all. Yeah, I can't, I definitely can't tell you that they're wearing blue flight suits with ties on with yellow May West vests either. No, no, we're perfect. True statement, two truths to the lie. That's such a statement. SCUD: Always. None of us have ever had to get out of the mazzi right after takeoff. Jimmy: In the last hour. In the last hour. You SCUD: I think this whole episode has just been gushing over both these modules. So I think it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyways. Both the Mazze and the Spitfire are fantastic Warbird modules in DCS. I think if you haven't gotten one or the other, get the Spitfire first, ⁓ because you can go fight in it and it's a little bit easier to manage. But ⁓ the Mazze is well worth full price, let alone binding on sale. ⁓ Jimmy: Fantastic. Yeah. They go together well. FiFi: Yeah. you SCUD: If you get the mozzie, you're going to have to put some practice and work into getting that thing off the ground because it is. FiFi: And you know what's gonna help you fly the Mozi better? Amoza. And you know who you're gonna buy Amoza? By clicking the link for us, because guess what? We have a link. We have a link. We have an affiliation. And the guys have told me that there was a 5 % discount on that link. Jimmy: OOOO in the description. SCUD: ⁓ we have a link. What do you mean a link? You mean like an affiliate? Jimmy: Yeah, so Simlab, give us a link. SCUD: ⁓ see, so you can buy through this. Yeah, SimFab, Secret Labs, you just combine them both. Jimmy: That's why I said simulab, my bad. You gotta wait. Yeah. FiFi: You know what be even cooler if we get a high alpha Hooligans seat. SCUD: That would be dope. High up a hooligan stitching. Jimmy: You got them hooligans holding up your butt while you're flying. FiFi: cool. Let us, let us, ⁓ my god, nah. How much is that chair? I need to get one now. SCUD: Yeah, look at this dude. This neck pillow is magnetic. ⁓ It's not cheap. But yeah, we are affiliates now. We are affiliates now with a few different things. One of them is Moza. ⁓ We will have our affiliate links right now somewhere on our YouTube. We are going to be making a web page and that way instead of having a ton of links, you can just go to one link that will have our Discord, that will have our Patreon, that will have our merch, that will have our affiliate links and all that. But right now, if you are interested in gear, FiFi: But I am, so never mind. SCUD: You want a bit of a discount? You want to throw a little money back to the podcast to help us out buy through our affiliate links? Thanks for reminding me on that. Fifi. Those as a good good save. Yeah. Jimmy: That's a good segue to legitimately though, like the moza gear that's out right now, the AB6, the AB9, like when it comes to flying warbirds, nothing can touch it. And I've, yeah, I've been through a few sticks in my day, but yeah. But no, mean, like that ecosystem, the moza cockpit, FiFi: Did you like that? That was good. Yeah, that was good. I approve. SCUD: ⁓ force feedback in a warbird is, that's what it's made for. Yeah, he's got a website. You can see that on. Jimmy: The software, the actual feedback, like the tangible feel of the airplane in your hand, the game changes. It's a world changer, yeah. SCUD: Absolutely. 98 % of it, 97 % of it. And then the 3 % is when Moza doesn't update and changes the setting like elevator weight, Moza, and it completely breaks that feature. Fix it. Come on, guys. But no, is the software. Otherwise, it's fantastic. Jimmy: You FiFi: Mm. Jimmy: Please, I mean, you can always roll it back, but then you lose the other new stuff. And then it's like, whoa, which one do I want to give up? But yeah, it's still new. It's still under a year old. Moza Cockpit is still brand new in the grand scheme of things, but it's the best flight gear you can be on with any Warbird. And then one thing I want to say about the Spitfire and the Mazze is if you're not flying in any Warbird servers, FiFi: cheese guys Well. SCUD: ⁓ FiFi: ⁓ SCUD: Go do it. Jimmy: Like Veevee said, we host one. We just finished out a dynamic persistent campaign that was fantastic. ⁓ Go buy the Spit, buy the Mazze. Just go do it. Because between those two airplanes, you can do everything in every Warbird environment that you can imagine inside DCS and you will excel at every aspect of flight and strike and attack. FiFi: Yeah. SCUD: And it's so much fun. They're both so much damn fun. ⁓ Jimmy: Mm-hmm. FiFi: So to start wrapping this up, Grammy music starts playing in the background. Overall, Warbirds are awesome. Fly more Warbirds. The LA-7, buy more Warbonds, Yep, there's... The LA-7, fantastic module. Great job, guys. The sound will get fixed over time, we know it will, but... Incredible module. Jimmy: Yep. Yep. It will make you... Warbirds will make you like the game in a whole different way. It's like a romantic era of aviation. SCUD: Buy more War Bonds. Jimmy: I like them cannons. FiFi: looks really good flies really good sounds decent will get better ⁓ Jimmy: If you guys wanna come on the show, email address is highalfahooligans.gmail.com or talk to 9line. SCUD: octopus FiFi: Yeah. Yeah. No, don't talk to Nineline about us though. He, he might, he might be like, those guys. Yeah. Clowns. It'll just be a clown face. and then, ⁓ and then the Mosquito Amazee must haves, must haves. would, if I had to, if I had to put a top three set of aircraft that you need to buy. Jimmy: No! SCUD: He'll just send you a meme back about us. Jimmy: We like 9Line. 9Line's our guy. Mm-hmm. SCUD: Hands down. FiFi: If you're going to be if you if top three aircraft that you should buy if you're interested in warbirds. If you're if you're interested in warbirds is Mustang. Mustang Spitfire Mazzee, those are the three. You can't go wrong with any of those. Jimmy: Hornet. Turn Hornet. ⁓ okay, okay. SCUD: I would agree with that. I love all the warbirds, except the I-16. I it was good. It just didn't scratch the edge. I tested it. But I love all the warbirds. They're all great. I love the German warbirds and I love the P-47. If somebody asked, I would agree exactly with Fifi. Mustang, Spitfire, Mazzi are the top three for me. FiFi: That was so much fun. Jimmy: That's such a different airplane. FiFi: You ⁓ Yeah, and in no particular order either. would put the Mazze after you get either the Mustang or the Spitfire, and I would suggest you fly the Spitfire before you fly the Mazze, but I think... SCUD: I would also say on that note, would say that the Spitfire is better than the Mustang, but that's just because it's refined and Sean Connery would fly that one. FiFi: I wasn't, you know, I was gonna be civil about this. I was gonna be civil. I was gonna be nice, but you know what? Oh, you know what? I'm the editor. I can just edit that out. I can just edit that out. I'm the editor. Jimmy: It's like this while you're flying. And as you go past Fifi, it's like this. It is, but, but listen, listen, God's not wrong. It is refined. It is refined in flight. The Mustang is a rabbit animal that is poised to kill. And you have to harness that animal. Like you've got to train. It's like being a dog handler. Like you might get bit, but you know, you're going to look cool while you do it. SCUD: ⁓ boo! FiFi: It's So anyways, we got a post show to film now. SCUD: you Jimmy: Mmm. SCUD: Yeah, which you can access by joining our Patreon as soon as we have it up and running, which will be shortly. FiFi: Yeah, so. ⁓ SCUD: I guess on that note, we need some dad advice from Jimmy. Nope. He's thinking about it. He's never prepared. Jimmy: Alright, listen guys. Listen. There's a... FiFi: He's thinking about it. I know we always smack him with it out of the blue. SCUD: He's like what almost a year of doing this and you're going to ask me this every episode. It has been a year too. Isn't it been? ⁓ not yet coming up. Jimmy: ⁓ my gosh. And we got ⁓ one more month. April, I think, right? Yeah. So dad advice as you begin to age, you know, you got to pick up a few hobbies and some of them are, you know, you got to go down one or three roads. One is you become an expert in an era of history, specifically around the war. So World War I, World War II, Civil War, you know, you pick your war, you got to learn one war that's a mandatory mandatory thing. FiFi: This is going... SCUD: It's true. FiFi: True. Jimmy: Then one of the other two, they're optional. gotta pick your route, pick your own destiny. One, you either have to learn how to make your own beef jerky or riverboat gambling. SCUD: ⁓ hold on though. There's you're missing one. FiFi: We're moving. Jimmy: ⁓ send it. ⁓ SCUD: There is a point where you also have to buy cargo shorts and New Balance shoes to stand in front of your like fifth generation Corvette you just bought because that is the midlife crisis like checklist like that is okay. Yeah, sure. A six six generation vet, but it's always a sixth generation vet that is super. This one's super special like this one is a it's a certain combination package that they only made like 14,000 of them. Jimmy: No, it's like, I think it's C6 now. Like it's, it's not the five anymore. ⁓ FiFi: For me for me Yeah, for me. And this was... Yeah. See, quote unquote midlife crisis was buying a Harley and only wearing flat bill caps for a long time with a plaid shirt. I have a collection of Vans, like Vans shoes. Yeah, I do. I do. do. So... Jimmy: It's only it's it's only highway miles to I mean, you know. SCUD: You dust them off before you start dancing. Jimmy: You go elbows up, side to side. FiFi: Yeah, so I have a Jeep and a Harley and I'm like I just realized like I am that guy ⁓ SCUD: Yeah, Fifi's inner Cholo's coming out. Jimmy: Guys, this is fun. SCUD: Alright. FiFi: I got some apes I gotta put on that thing now. Anyways. SCUD: ⁓ Rifle kazoo guys, thanks for watching. FiFi: He didn't see it.