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RHOBH: How Kathy Hilton RUNS 90210 with Kate Casey · Reality with The King

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Speaker 2: The amazing KKSE is back.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me back.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, I just interview to you for
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Speaker 4: to that episode because it's the entire personal story growing
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Speaker 4: up in Detroit, ten siblings, well, ten including yourself, how
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Speaker 2: Yes, no, go on kkc's podcast Reality Life with KKSE
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Speaker 2: and listen to this amazing episode that just came out
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Speaker 2: where you guys know, I'm very private, so of course
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Speaker 2: it would take the journalistic skill set of Kate to
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Speaker 2: get me to reveal so much personal stories about myself.
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Speaker 2: But I'm so happy we did it. She made me
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Speaker 2: feel so comfortable and almost cried. I'm like, is this
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Speaker 2: a white crotch? As the interview like what are we
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Speaker 2: doing here?
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Speaker 4: Well, when you told the story about when you came
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Speaker 4: out and your dad, that made me cry. Then I
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Speaker 4: asked you to send me pictures of your siblings and
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Speaker 4: I what did I send to you about your sister?
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Speaker 1: You said, where's her reality show? I mean she's a stunner.
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Speaker 1: She's a stunner and a star.
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Speaker 2: Shout out to my sister Jazzy Bell, who also has
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Speaker 2: a podcast called.
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Speaker 1: Women in Hip Hop.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, She's a star and I love her dearly.
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Speaker 2: You know who else is a star to me?
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Speaker 1: Who? Your brother?
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Speaker 2: No? The Edibles Denise Richards took in this episode.
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Speaker 4: I want to know what happened, Like, do you think
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Speaker 4: she just took too many and too early? They drove
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Speaker 4: her around in that car too long. You know, she
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Speaker 4: lives in Malibu, so the parties in Encino. That's like
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Speaker 4: quite a ride and they had to pick up somebody
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Speaker 4: else along the way, Camille.
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Speaker 3: Yes, do you think like she just overshot it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's how Funny brought that up.
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Speaker 2: I definitely think she has so much time to pass
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Speaker 2: getting away from Malibu, going to pick up Camille, who
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming does live in Beverly Hills, and then having
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Speaker 2: to drive to Encino. Not to mention Kate, I'm pretty
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Speaker 2: sure Denise was nervous.
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Speaker 1: Because she was walking in the light. Yeah, so I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: Listen, allegedly, I'm pretty sure she swallowed and drank a
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Speaker 2: couple of things and it showed due to her nervousness. Because,
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Speaker 2: let's be honest here, nothing was happening on the show,
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Speaker 2: which is why the producers allegedly brought Camille and Denise
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Speaker 2: because things were falling flat in the drama meter and
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Speaker 2: they needed to do something to ignite some drama. And
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Speaker 2: I think Denise, by the way, who got paid to
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Speaker 2: be there. Let's be very clear, Denise got a check
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Speaker 2: to show up and they had to tell her what
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Speaker 2: was going on. And I think it was the nervousness
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Speaker 2: of all this pressure on Denise to deliver a good scene.
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Speaker 2: She had to like take something to have the courage
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Speaker 2: to stand up against Erica.
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Speaker 1: Jane. Do you think.
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Speaker 4: The same thing's happening with Sutton and Kyle. How Sutton
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Speaker 4: keeps pushing this conversation about denial denial? Is it because
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Speaker 4: Sutton is the only one that has the balls to
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Speaker 4: do it?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, listen you and the beauty of you.
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Speaker 2: The conversation that you and I have is we just
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Speaker 2: don't recap an episode and regurgitate what we saw.
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Speaker 1: And give our opinions.
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Speaker 2: We go deeper in terms of what we're seeing, what
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Speaker 2: I can share with you. Based on being a producer
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Speaker 2: in this business, it was a lot of pressures to
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Speaker 2: make sure this season was great without Lisa Renna right, Yes,
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Speaker 2: it was. It was the pressures of that because Lisa
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Speaker 2: Renna was the only person who will call things out.
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Speaker 1: Alex ba igniter.
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Speaker 2: She's a force igniter, not multiplier. She's a force igniter.
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Speaker 2: Alex Baskin, who was an EP of the show, was
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Speaker 2: on your podcast and I tell this story all the time.
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Speaker 2: When you interviewed him, he said, the difference between OC
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Speaker 2: and Beverly Hills OC cost each other out and Beverly
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Speaker 2: Hills they.
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Speaker 1: Don't, they don't, they don't do it.
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Speaker 2: And this constant battle between Kyle and Sutton, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: has a lot to do with the fact that nothing
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Speaker 2: was happening and these two were I'm not gonna say pressured,
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Speaker 2: but they knew that they had to do something because
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Speaker 2: this season was falling flat. And is the only person
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Speaker 2: that has the gravitaze to stand up against Kyle. And
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Speaker 2: I want people to know this. A friend of mine
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Speaker 2: text me and said, which is funny. Kate, a friend
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Speaker 2: of mine who's in the business, he texted me, he said,
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Speaker 2: who's the force multiplier of Beverly Hills. I'm having lunch
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Speaker 2: with a girlfriend of mine and we're debating who will
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Speaker 2: Carlos Kings say is a force multiplier? So now it's
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Speaker 2: like a topic of conversation at brunch Kate, So, I said,
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Speaker 2: Kyle Richards, and he said, I'm shocked you would say that.
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Speaker 2: I said, listen to me as to why I'm saying it.
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Speaker 2: Kyle understands that she has to move shit around. Let's
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Speaker 2: not get into the fact that she really pushed something
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Speaker 2: over the edge in Vegas because Kyle knew that Erica
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Speaker 2: Jane was to be is it getting a lab dance
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Speaker 2: deree is trying to figure out what hair dyes she's.
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Speaker 1: Using in a scene, and then the other girls are
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Speaker 1: checked out.
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Speaker 2: Kyle pushed, pushed, pushed Sutton to be crazy Town at
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Speaker 2: the dinner table scene in this past week's episode, Kyle
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Speaker 2: kept asking her say it.
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Speaker 1: What is that you want to say? Just say it.
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Speaker 2: Kyle was giving Sutton permission put it out there. Let's
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Speaker 2: have a conversation about it. Because I know the mummy
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Speaker 2: you do. I'm going to get you, which is why
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Speaker 2: she said, Kate, you have some nerve telling talking to
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Speaker 2: me about a diet when you don't eat well.
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Speaker 4: I think that they're both full force multipliers, but I
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Speaker 4: think that one is passive aggressive and the other is
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Speaker 4: aggressive aggressive.
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Speaker 3: I think Sutton is aggressive aggressive.
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Speaker 4: Yes, because Sutton is willing to say things the other
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Speaker 4: women won't, and she has great in the moment, you know, dialogue.
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Speaker 4: But I could not believe the way I think Kyle
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Speaker 4: is almost crossing over from her typical which is like
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Speaker 4: passive aggressive and aggressive aggressive aggressive.
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Speaker 1: Was you don't eat, which was like such a low blow.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And also you're drinking a lot, like this is
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Speaker 4: a different version of Kyle that's ever been She would
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Speaker 4: have never done that in the past.
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Speaker 2: No, because Lisa Renna would have. Yeah, Lisa Renna would have.
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Speaker 2: And because Kyle is the only os.
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Speaker 4: Coke in the bathroom is like the equivalent of the
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Speaker 4: season of like what you're pushing food around your plate?
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Speaker 4: That I was surprised too, because eating issues, surprisingly over
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Speaker 4: all these franchises is never really brought up, which is
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Speaker 4: such like a pervasive issue for women, especially over the
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Speaker 4: age of like twenty five. You know your body image
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Speaker 4: and how you eat predominantly I think in white culture too,
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Speaker 4: like being thin is so important.
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Speaker 1: Like do you watch Miami of course? Yes?
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Speaker 4: Okay, did you remember the scene where Lisa's kids get
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Speaker 4: a pizza? Yes, Lisa's very distracted on a phone conversation
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Speaker 4: with Jody and the kids get a pizza and she says,
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Speaker 4: this is your cheat, and then the little boy wants
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Speaker 4: to have another piece and she's telling them no.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was so weird.
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Speaker 4: It's weird, but it's like I think that happens all
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Speaker 4: the time.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that.
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Speaker 4: I'm glad the producers showed that because I feel like
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Speaker 4: they never show anything happen to do with eating issues.
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Speaker 4: And all of these women are on television now, and
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Speaker 4: I think it got exponentially harder for them, you know,
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Speaker 4: once they became a celebrity to like how they I mean,
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Speaker 4: you know, ozembic is like used everywhere, but we've seen
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Speaker 4: like a lot of their bodies change, and I think
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Speaker 4: it's because the pressure that they put on themselves, you know,
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Speaker 4: personally in the because of society, societal norms, and then
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Speaker 4: the added element of being on television when you have
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Speaker 4: people that DM you and they're like you need to
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Speaker 4: lose weight, Like I'm a I'm nobody, Like I'm a podcaster,
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Speaker 4: and I get dms like, you know, telling me things
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Speaker 4: I need to tweak about my face. I can't imagine
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Speaker 4: what these women get, like dms all the time about
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Speaker 4: you know, you look fatter this season, And I was
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Speaker 4: just surprised that it's taken this long, all these seasons
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Speaker 4: of Beverly Hills for somebody having an eating issue to
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Speaker 4: come up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Remember Crystal on Belly Hills was the first person a
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Speaker 2: Moser franchise of Beverly Hills to talk about it, and
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Speaker 2: then we had Joke Jackie Golschneider on Jersey to talk
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Speaker 2: about it. So when I'm very by the way, very
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Speaker 2: cool of those two women to be that open about that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I have great respect for them for that.
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Speaker 2: Oh No, for sure, because it's it's it's was realistic,
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Speaker 2: especially in the entertainment business, which is why Ozimpic is
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Speaker 2: like the new weight Watchers pill that everyone's taking. I
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Speaker 2: know men who are on a Zimpic, Like, it's not
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Speaker 2: just reduced to women.
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Speaker 1: It's this obsession with the weight.
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Speaker 2: So when Kyle brought up to Sutton that you have
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Speaker 2: some nerve talking about my diet when you don't eat
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Speaker 2: and you push your food around, I really wanted the
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Speaker 2: producer to do a montage so that we can see
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Speaker 2: that because prior to that statement, I never I never
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Speaker 2: really even thought about Sutton's eating habits, you know, And
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Speaker 2: now to your point, they're sort of alluding that Sutton
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Speaker 2: is a drinker, you know, like, is she an alcoholic?
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Speaker 2: We always thought possibly that something was just a weirdo
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Speaker 2: in the most complementity way of saying that, but now
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Speaker 2: they're trying to say, no, it's deeper than that, that
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Speaker 2: there could be some mixture of alcohol and medication, which
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Speaker 2: is the same thing that Erica Jane said last season
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Speaker 2: was the reason why she was acting so wacky.
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Speaker 4: So to your point earlier of Alex saying, you know,
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Speaker 4: Beverly Hills is different because they don't really address things,
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Speaker 4: and also their fights are about petty things. So it's
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Speaker 4: just interesting the concern maybe Lisa Renna's gone house, this
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Speaker 4: show going to be different. These comments are cutting deep. Yes,
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Speaker 4: if you're Sudden and you are on this ballet theater,
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Speaker 4: you know board, and you have been married to an
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Speaker 4: executive at PIMCO, and you're from the South, then you
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Speaker 4: have a certain way that you want people to perceive you.
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Speaker 4: And then someone on your cast is suggesting you have
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Speaker 4: eating issues and a drinking problem.
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Speaker 2: This is some heavy shit, it is, and that's the
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Speaker 2: reason why Sutton is so thrown off because I'm sure
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Speaker 2: she's like, look, I don't mind giving you guys good TV,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think Sutton ever thought.
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Speaker 1: Kyle would go there. No, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to challenge you though.
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Speaker 2: I think Kyle is more aggressive as a force multiplier
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Speaker 2: than Sutton.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why I so.
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Speaker 4: You know, I agree with you. I'm saying historically she's
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Speaker 4: been oh yes, yes, So this season I'm throwing me
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Speaker 4: and everybody else for a loop because she It's like,
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Speaker 4: so you're wondering, have you always been like this and
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Speaker 4: you've been like, it's been dormant, yes, and and you're
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Speaker 4: bringing it out now.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they they are you.
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Speaker 4: So frustrated by the marriage that you've had to Mauricio
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Speaker 4: where you did not have a voice, and not having
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Speaker 4: a voice in your family of origin with your sisters,
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Speaker 4: that now you have found a power in your sobriety
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Speaker 4: and in this friendship slash relationship that you have with
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Speaker 4: Morgan that you feel that now you can use your voice.
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Speaker 2: I think it's all of those things. I think it's
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Speaker 2: all of those things. I think, listen, I've always said
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Speaker 2: that people, Kyle is my favorite housewife across all franchises,
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Speaker 2: because she just has this amazing quality to me of
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Speaker 2: being so likable but not boring, Like there's something interesting
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Speaker 2: about a woman who's been on the show since season
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Speaker 2: one who understands how to produce moments in scene and
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Speaker 2: how to bring these women together but also drop a
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Speaker 2: bomb to tear them apart and to make sure we
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Speaker 2: get the drama that we're watching for her, right, which
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Speaker 2: is why she's She's always pushing the envelope and trying
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Speaker 2: to get deep in the story. And I as a
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Speaker 2: producer and I work with women.
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Speaker 1: She's a producer mind.
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Speaker 2: She's like you, Oh no, she's Oh, she's Kyle is fantastic.
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Speaker 3: She doesn't always have to be the front and center talent.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: I think she's actually most happy in the background.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, for sure, she's she Listen, Kyle does
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Speaker 2: care what people think about her. I think now she's
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Speaker 2: not caring as much. But she's always been a woman
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Speaker 2: who cared what people thought about her. So when you
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Speaker 2: have a Lisa Renna who doesn't give a fuck, who's like,
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Speaker 2: I don't care, it was nice to have somebody else
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Speaker 2: play that role. And to your earlier point because Kyle
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Speaker 2: did not have a voice in her sisterhood and she
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Speaker 2: did not have the biggest.
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Speaker 1: Voice in her marriage. Here she is on the.
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Speaker 2: Number one Real Housewives franchise on Bravo. Yeah, and she's
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Speaker 2: now dating, allegedly a woman who will talk about that
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Speaker 2: in a second. Two, honey, because they're smitten with each
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Speaker 2: other does not lie. Honey, they are smitten. But we'll
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Speaker 2: get to that in a second. She now understands that
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Speaker 2: if I'm going to divorce Mauricio, who's the breadwinner, I
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Speaker 2: need for Beverly Hill's Housewives to be successful because this
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Speaker 2: is my bread and butter at the moment, and I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to make this season flop. And that's why
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Speaker 2: she got in her red dress or her cramped ponytail
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Speaker 2: with the waterfall curls and and and.
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Speaker 1: Look never looked better.
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Speaker 2: And she gave something a run for her motherfucking money
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Speaker 2: and and and Kate, this this dinner party listen is
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Speaker 2: not as iconic iconic as Allison Dubois like. It fails
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Speaker 2: in comparison to that. But in my opinion, these past
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Speaker 2: two episodes were the best of the season.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, in next week's episode, she meets
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Speaker 4: with a therapist.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she talks about her sister.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about her sister.
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Speaker 4: So she wait to your point though, like she would
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Speaker 4: have never done that in seasons past because she's terrib
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Speaker 4: she should be terrified of upsetting Kathy in any way.
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Speaker 4: But there's something something happened with MAURICEO. Something happened and
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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.
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Speaker 2: You don't what what are you? Because you're the smart one.
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Speaker 2: What do you because listen the reason why?
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Speaker 4: I mean I can only guess through the television with
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Speaker 4: my armchair psychology degree. But I mean there's something he
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Speaker 4: he did something that was such a betrayal to her.
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Speaker 4: Something happened where she I tend to believe that having
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Speaker 4: separation from her sister, being isolated from her sister and
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Speaker 4: her nieces and nephews, then having her best friend die
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Speaker 4: by suicide, that would be a ton where you expect
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Speaker 4: your partner to be there for you. Was that is
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Speaker 4: when you would need the most. And like also added element,
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Speaker 4: a lot of her kids are, you know, going off
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Speaker 4: to college, moving on the house. It's like an identity
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Speaker 4: issue of like, you know, my kids don't need me
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Speaker 4: as much. But the significance of your best friend, you
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Speaker 4: like childhood best friend, your witness to your life experiences,
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Speaker 4: the person who knows you better than anybody, who you
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Speaker 4: don't have to explain things to. If I were Kyle's
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Speaker 4: friend this week, and she'd be like, Kate's great, She's
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Speaker 4: got to give me a history of you know, fifty
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Speaker 4: years her friend dies by suicide, and she's isolated from
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Speaker 4: her siblings and her nieces and nephews, and they're all
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Speaker 4: having life experiences like Paris having a son that she's
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Speaker 4: not getting access to.
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Speaker 3: You would expect your partner.
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Speaker 4: To be there, and if they are not, whether it's
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Speaker 4: they've cheated or they're checked out because they have their
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Speaker 4: own reality show and they're trying to get booked on
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Speaker 4: Dancing with the Stars. He was not there for her
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Speaker 4: in some way that was such a life changing boundary
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Speaker 4: crossing issue that she is willing to come forward and
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Speaker 4: say I am separated and I don't know what the
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Speaker 4: future is like. I don't think Kyle five years would
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Speaker 4: have said that. So something something significant happened.
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Speaker 2: I never looked at it that way. I think you're
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Speaker 2: onto something in the sense of listen. I was always
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Speaker 2: told in any successful marriage, there has to be one
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Speaker 2: star per household for sure, because it's a.
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Speaker 3: I mean my mother said that. Did your mother say that?
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Speaker 4: My mom said that. She would just say always say
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Speaker 4: when you find a partner, there can only be one
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Speaker 4: star of the show. So when you're the star, they
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Speaker 4: take a backseat, and conversely, when they're the star, you
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Speaker 4: take it. There can never be two stars.
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Speaker 1: No, I'll go on record, I will never date a star. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's not. I don't have time to compete with you.
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Speaker 2: And when you look at relationships that have lasted until
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Speaker 2: the end of time, a lot of it has to
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Speaker 2: do with the fact of what your mom said in
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Speaker 2: terms of there has to be somebody who's the star
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Speaker 2: and the other person takes the back seat, and then
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Speaker 2: roads can change, but you can't do it. There is
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Speaker 2: something interesting that when Mauricio got the buying Beverly Hills
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Speaker 2: shown Netflix, Netflix, that all of a sudden there's been
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Speaker 2: like these rumors always existed, but now it is so
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Speaker 2: prevalent to where they're announced a separation and Mauricio's agency
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Speaker 2: is killing it. He literally has the number one agency
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Speaker 2: in all of them, in all of like California, you know,
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Speaker 2: this man left the Hilton Okay, left the family business
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Speaker 2: and started his own agency, which, in case you guys
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Speaker 2: don't know, allegedly that's the main reason why At and
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Speaker 2: Kyle have issues because Mauricio left the family Hilton agency
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Speaker 2: to start his own and now he beat them twenty
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Speaker 2: times over. Yeah, so Mauricio, who never looked better, living
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Speaker 2: his best life, he now has what he wants. Kyle
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Speaker 2: no longer probably has the availability to Mauricio. You have Morgan,
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Speaker 2: who I never heard of until her her tattoos appeared
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Speaker 2: on the show. By the way, pretty girl, very soft spoken.
21:29
Speaker 2: I was expecting more of like a death Row Records
21:33
Speaker 2: little Wayne type of voice.
21:35
Speaker 4: You know who? She reminds me of, Oh Leather Tuscadero
21:39
Speaker 4: from Feeling what was that called Happy Days?
21:42
Speaker 1: Who is also who is played.
21:45
Speaker 4: By Susie Quatro, seventies singing ballad star stumbling in Looking
21:50
Speaker 4: up on YouTube, you will be like, oh my god,
21:52
Speaker 4: Christy McNichol, she's got the whole look. Can I say
21:55
Speaker 4: that because I have older sisters so my references can
21:57
Speaker 4: be a little bit off, but she looks just like her.
21:59
Speaker 4: But I will also say this, like there's a lot
22:01
Speaker 4: of speculation obviously whether or not they're in an intimate relationship.
22:05
Speaker 4: What we all can agree on is they have an
22:08
Speaker 4: emotional connection because of and Kathy's pointed this out too,
22:14
Speaker 4: Morgan has had a mistectomy, Their mother had a mistectomy.
22:18
Speaker 4: Morgan has tourettes. There are like things about her that
22:24
Speaker 4: I could see, like there's something connection that they've talked about.
22:28
Speaker 4: Another alluring thing about someone who's significantly younger than you,
22:32
Speaker 4: who is outside of your bubble. Imagine if you're Kyle
22:36
Speaker 4: and by the way, I don't know you know them personally,
22:40
Speaker 4: but this is my how I perceive things. If you're
22:45
Speaker 4: Kyle and you've had the same friends for decades and
22:49
Speaker 4: then someone younger comes in their perspective of you and
22:53
Speaker 4: your life can be very Entrancein Yes, an outsider who says,
22:59
Speaker 4: wait a minute, so like this goes on with your sister,
23:03
Speaker 4: and then like MAURICEO does this, and you're like, oh
23:07
Speaker 4: my god, you're right, Like why do I put up
23:09
Speaker 4: with this shit? Why does why is this okay? Somehow
23:14
Speaker 4: you will take that from an outsider in a way
23:17
Speaker 4: like because Fay is friends with Kathy and Chris Jenner's
23:20
Speaker 4: friends with Kathy, and Sutton's friends with Kathy, and I'm
23:24
Speaker 4: assuming that a younger person is like, I don't care
23:28
Speaker 4: about Kathy, I care about you. That could be very
23:32
Speaker 4: very entrancing.
23:34
Speaker 1: C K I knew you had the answer, you know
23:38
Speaker 1: what I mean.
23:38
Speaker 4: Like sometimes when somebody outside your little bubble is like
23:41
Speaker 4: I would never stand up for that.
23:43
Speaker 3: Why would you?
23:44
Speaker 4: And listen, there's the added component of the they're both
23:46
Speaker 4: women that are sober, you know, I don't necessarily think
23:52
Speaker 4: and based on things that Kyla said, like she doesn't
23:54
Speaker 4: feel like she was an alcoholic per se, but more
23:58
Speaker 4: of like she didn't like her relationship with alcohol, apparently
24:00
Speaker 4: there's a difference from that like yeah, I think she
24:03
Speaker 4: just said I I think perst. Probably she looked back
24:06
Speaker 4: at episodes from the previous scene season.
24:10
Speaker 3: I didn't like the way she looked.
24:11
Speaker 2: Especially the scene where she pushed and while I was
24:14
Speaker 2: talking to Diana.
24:17
Speaker 4: And she may have thought, maybe this stuff with Kathy
24:19
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't been drinking
24:21
Speaker 4: in scenes. So now you're with somebody who doesn't drink,
24:25
Speaker 4: who likes to work out, who has you know, is
24:29
Speaker 4: in the country world. She doesn't feel like needs her
24:33
Speaker 4: like I'm assuming for Kyle, the people that are around
24:37
Speaker 4: her life all the time want something from her.
24:40
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh everybody wants.
24:43
Speaker 4: Something for her. How refreshing. If it's somebody who comes
24:46
Speaker 4: from a completely different world, it doesn't need something from her.
24:50
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
24:51
Speaker 2: Kate once again hit the nod on the head. So
24:56
Speaker 2: I don't drink. I have had a drink in like
24:58
Speaker 2: almost ten years. Drink, I will say as somebody who
25:03
Speaker 2: doesn't drink. When I stopped drinking, I stop hanging out
25:09
Speaker 2: with the people who used it to you know, have
25:14
Speaker 2: fun and party and stuff like I just I became
25:17
Speaker 2: a different person. I was more focused on, like my
25:19
Speaker 2: career and other things happening.
25:21
Speaker 1: Right.
25:21
Speaker 2: When you are a sober person, you attract people who
25:27
Speaker 2: are a part of this new face in your life
25:29
Speaker 2: who represents this new person. Because not drinking around people
25:32
Speaker 2: in our business, you're weirdough, So when you find your
25:35
Speaker 2: community and you find somebody who doesn't do it, you
25:41
Speaker 2: engage and converse over something totally different. I also am
25:45
Speaker 2: a workout fanatic because when you don't drink, you find
25:50
Speaker 2: other ways to get this burst of energy. And I
25:54
Speaker 2: wake up at five thirty in the morning, I work out.
25:56
Speaker 2: I'm a crazy person, right, I relate to Kyle someone
26:00
Speaker 2: much in that sense, And you're right, Listen, this is no.
26:03
Speaker 1: Shade to her friends.
26:05
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with you in terms of I don't
26:09
Speaker 2: think she has anybody in her life probably who doesn't
26:13
Speaker 2: need something from her. I don't think Dere's her real
26:15
Speaker 2: friend in the sense of I think if Dereet was
26:19
Speaker 2: not on the show, her and Kyle would have nothing
26:21
Speaker 2: in common. I think Piku and Mauricio being men, what
26:26
Speaker 2: they have in common is the fact that our wives
26:28
Speaker 2: on this crazy show and they're crazy.
26:31
Speaker 1: But Drey needs.
26:33
Speaker 2: Kyle because without Kyle, Deriy is nothing on the show.
26:38
Speaker 4: She has said that after Morgan came into her life
26:42
Speaker 4: that they don't have the same friendships.
26:43
Speaker 2: You're right, And she also said, you don't drink anymore,
26:46
Speaker 2: and that was our thing. We would get drunk and
26:48
Speaker 2: go to Vegas and party. That's not who Kyle is anymore.
26:52
Speaker 2: And the reason why Derei feels that way is this,
26:55
Speaker 2: when a person gets sober, the biggest fear that they
27:00
Speaker 2: friends have is I'm going to be axed out because
27:02
Speaker 2: I am a drinker and Derey is feeling like she's
27:06
Speaker 2: going to be ostracized because she no longer can call
27:10
Speaker 2: Kyle and say let's have let's let's go to the
27:12
Speaker 2: barge with happy Hour, let's go to Vegas and get
27:15
Speaker 2: fucked up and like dance on people. That that's what
27:18
Speaker 2: happens to you. You listen, guys. Anybody who doesn't drink
27:21
Speaker 2: knows this. You lose friends. I'm a product of losing friends.
27:25
Speaker 2: When I stop drinking, you lose friends because you guys
27:29
Speaker 2: don't have that much in common anymore. And that's why
27:32
Speaker 2: I love this new Kyle who understands that what you
27:37
Speaker 2: said so brilliantly, I now am seeing myself outside of
27:44
Speaker 2: this fucking nine oh two and no bubble, And and
27:50
Speaker 2: I don't like who I was when she told Mauricio,
27:54
Speaker 2: I can't get how many tattoos I want, like I
27:56
Speaker 2: can't do what my mom.
28:00
Speaker 4: I love that scene. She would have never said that
28:04
Speaker 4: years before she really was a wife. I think people
28:06
Speaker 4: forget this too when you look back at old episodes,
28:09
Speaker 4: Like she does all of her kids laundry, she's making
28:11
Speaker 4: their lunches, like she was a very very hands on mother.
28:16
Speaker 4: And I would presume he expected the same of himself
28:20
Speaker 4: in his life, like you know, you need to show
28:22
Speaker 4: up at every event. I need you to be here.
28:25
Speaker 3: Also, he's owns a.
28:26
Speaker 4: Real estate company, right, he wants his wife, who's a
28:29
Speaker 4: reality star and has worked in the entertainment industry for
28:32
Speaker 4: decades to come. She was probably enormously helpful in him
28:37
Speaker 4: building his business, right. So it was great in that
28:42
Speaker 4: moment where she's like Hubert, like, you know, you don't
28:45
Speaker 4: get to look at my body like it's That was
28:48
Speaker 4: a great scene. That was like a Sister Wives Janelle
28:52
Speaker 4: and Christine leaving Cody. Yes kind of scene. I love
28:57
Speaker 4: it when a woman like finds her.
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Speaker 2: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
31:01
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. We have to get
31:05
Speaker 2: into the big Kathy, who you call.
31:09
Speaker 1: The mayor of Beverly Hill.
31:11
Speaker 2: So, Kate, I was floored when I'm telling you Kyle
31:18
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck.
31:19
Speaker 1: I love this new Kyle. Kyle, my apologies.
31:23
Speaker 2: You should have been in my top ten Greatest Housewives
31:26
Speaker 2: of All Time list.
31:27
Speaker 1: You were number eleven. She she was number eleven.
31:32
Speaker 4: I don't remember that she was eleven.
31:33
Speaker 2: Well I never revealed who was eleven, but she wasn't
31:37
Speaker 2: into the That's why Kyle is going to replace somebody else.
31:41
Speaker 2: I'm going to redo it. In twenty twenty four, Kyle
31:44
Speaker 2: Is when she revealed and challenged Sutton, broke the fourth wall.
31:51
Speaker 2: No say it, say what she said to you tell
31:54
Speaker 2: everybody's fucking kitchen. When it was revealed, honey, that big
32:00
Speaker 2: Kathy called Sutton and cussed her out. The fact that
32:06
Speaker 2: Kathy has the power to ice you allegedly out of
32:10
Speaker 2: Beverly Hill's parties, which is why when Lisa, Renna and
32:14
Speaker 2: Erica Jayne said you did say the F word to
32:17
Speaker 2: the DJ, you said it, and Crystal and everybody else
32:21
Speaker 2: had amnesia. They all felt in that moment, I'm not
32:25
Speaker 2: going to be ostracized from the Beverly Hills socialites.
32:28
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Okay, maybe you did.
32:30
Speaker 2: I had no idea the power that Kathy Hilton has
32:35
Speaker 2: not had.
32:36
Speaker 4: I think I think that there's this weird wartex there's
32:41
Speaker 4: real power and perceived power. If she was that powerful,
32:45
Speaker 4: that was the tweet I put out. If she was
32:47
Speaker 4: that powerful, she should be the mayor of Beverly Hills.
32:50
Speaker 4: Like obviously this woman like people do what she says.
32:54
Speaker 4: I think it's a lot of that is perceived power,
32:57
Speaker 4: you know, And I think it originates in they're Richard's family.
33:02
Speaker 4: Like I'm telling you everything that we need to know
33:04
Speaker 4: about every house wife. I've built a show about it.
33:06
Speaker 4: You got to go look at someone's origin story and
33:09
Speaker 4: then all the puzzle pieces fit together. And in the
33:12
Speaker 4: family of origin, Kathleen Dugan, who was their mother, she
33:15
Speaker 4: set it up like this with these three sisters that
33:18
Speaker 4: they all have like their positions and they have decided
33:23
Speaker 4: to continue with that. This is like an intergenerational thing.
33:26
Speaker 4: And listen, Beverly Hills is great because it's relatable and
33:30
Speaker 4: unrelatable at the same time. There's that dichotomy. Yes, it's
33:33
Speaker 4: relatable because in the in the in Kyle's personal story,
33:38
Speaker 4: and especially when Kathy was on the show and when
33:40
Speaker 4: Kim was on the show, we are witnessed to the
33:43
Speaker 4: family dynamics of these sisters, and there are so many
33:45
Speaker 4: things that are related about oh To that you and
33:48
Speaker 4: I can relate to that I'm sure most people can.
33:51
Speaker 4: At the same time, it's totally unrelatable because it's in
33:53
Speaker 4: this city where everybody works in the entertainment industry. They're
33:58
Speaker 4: very beautiful, they have a lot of wealth, they have
34:00
Speaker 4: access to money and power. It's almost like we're standing
34:03
Speaker 4: outside their family room window and we're watching them, so
34:09
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's both unrelatable and relatable. And the
34:13
Speaker 4: family dynamics that they've chosen to continue even as they
34:17
Speaker 4: have their own children is that they have these like
34:20
Speaker 4: three positions where Kathy is like the dictator.
34:24
Speaker 3: She dictates the rules, like we should behave.
34:27
Speaker 4: This way, you marry a guy like this, you should
34:30
Speaker 4: live here, your house should be decorated like and you
34:33
Speaker 4: can see micro moments where like Kim will walk in
34:36
Speaker 4: the door and Kathy would be.
34:37
Speaker 1: Like, you're gonna wear that. You're really you're gonna wear that.
34:40
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, these are all positions where they
34:43
Speaker 4: were kind of set up by their mother and that
34:45
Speaker 4: they've continued to kind of carry on well after her death.
34:49
Speaker 4: But that was the power dynamic that the mom set up,
34:54
Speaker 4: but some of it's still perceived power. That even though
34:57
Speaker 4: Kyle's in her fifties and she has her own six
35:00
Speaker 4: sas and her own family and her own set of friends,
35:02
Speaker 4: her sister still has power over in a way. So
35:07
Speaker 4: that is real power. The perceived power are the people
35:11
Speaker 4: that are outside of that family dynamic, the women on
35:13
Speaker 4: the show, the Crystals and the Suttons. And when Eric
35:18
Speaker 4: points out in the last episode that what you just said,
35:20
Speaker 4: like they're all in fear of Kathy because if you
35:24
Speaker 4: puss her off, like you're gonna cut off, I think
35:27
Speaker 4: that's perceived power.
35:28
Speaker 1: Like is that really a reality? I don't think so.
35:33
Speaker 4: But the dynamics of these three sisters have somehow trickled
35:39
Speaker 4: out into their friendship circle. I don't know if fay
35:43
Speaker 4: Resnick would have the same opinion that the others that
35:46
Speaker 4: maybe she would, I don't know. But this is why
35:50
Speaker 4: I find Beverly Hills to be the most fascinating because Kyle,
35:54
Speaker 4: the producers, their sisters have given us access to the
35:57
Speaker 4: family dynamics. If you take any Housewife and any other franchise,
36:02
Speaker 4: they would be exponentially more interesting if we were given
36:05
Speaker 4: access to their siblings and more to their parents, because
36:09
Speaker 4: they become even more complicated. The more complicated they become,
36:13
Speaker 4: the more interesting they become, the more empathy we have
36:16
Speaker 4: for them, the more we fight for them. Right, if
36:19
Speaker 4: you just met Teresa Judae and she showed up at
36:22
Speaker 4: a party, you may not like her as much as
36:26
Speaker 4: you would because you met her parents, you met her brother,
36:29
Speaker 4: you met her sister in law, you meet her kids,
36:32
Speaker 4: and then you're like, oh, there's like so much more
36:35
Speaker 4: to this person. So I think that people like Beverly
36:38
Speaker 4: Hills because of the Richard sisters and I'm sorry, like Kyle, Kim, Kathy,
36:44
Speaker 4: whatever they paid for them, it's worth it because despite
36:49
Speaker 4: the fact, this is really an Irish Catholic family. And
36:53
Speaker 4: that's maybe why I get it so much, because it's
36:54
Speaker 4: like so similar to my own family dynamics. It's relatable
37:00
Speaker 4: the family dynamics and not here's a question I have
37:02
Speaker 4: for you.
37:03
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this a lot today.
37:04
Speaker 4: Is like I get their dynamics a lot because my
37:08
Speaker 4: family of origin is similar like an Irish Catholic. I'm Protestant,
37:11
Speaker 4: but like my mom was raised Catholic. I went to
37:13
Speaker 4: a Catholic college, so like the way that they're not
37:16
Speaker 4: allowed to talk about deep issues, like as soon as
37:19
Speaker 4: they get into it, they cut it off. The way
37:21
Speaker 4: that Kathy showed up at Kyle's house at the end
37:24
Speaker 4: of last season and Kyle starts crying and she goes
37:28
Speaker 4: Kyle Kyle, which is like, shut up, stop crying. That
37:34
Speaker 4: is very much my culture, Like sweep it under the rug,
37:39
Speaker 4: pick up your chin. No one wants to hear about
37:41
Speaker 4: your problems, and this should definitely not be on TV.
37:46
Speaker 4: How how do you look at that as a black man? Like,
37:52
Speaker 4: how would it be different if the Dugan Richard's family
37:57
Speaker 4: or the King family?
37:58
Speaker 3: Like how what?
38:00
Speaker 1: What?
38:00
Speaker 4: What dynamics are similar to your family and different?
38:03
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. It's funny, you're so you're so smart.
38:06
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up.
38:08
Speaker 2: The black gay perspective of the you know of all
38:12
Speaker 2: of this. Obviously, I have nine siblings. I know what
38:16
Speaker 2: it's like to operate out of a big family. The
38:19
Speaker 2: thing is this, in every siblinghood, you do have a spokesperson.
38:25
Speaker 2: You do have a leader, whether it's the mother or
38:27
Speaker 2: the father of the ship group. When it's more than
38:29
Speaker 2: like three, there is there is like the matriarch and
38:32
Speaker 2: the patriarch.
38:33
Speaker 1: Right.
38:35
Speaker 2: What I can relate to with with the Hilton, well
38:39
Speaker 2: with with with the sisters, right Kim, Kathy and Kyle,
38:44
Speaker 2: is the fact that you don't go against the family.
38:47
Speaker 1: You just don't.
38:48
Speaker 2: You don't go against the family, and you don't say
38:53
Speaker 2: anything to them on camera because Kyle is less worried
38:59
Speaker 2: about the perception of the fans when it comes to Kathy.
39:04
Speaker 2: It's more about the damage that is going to happen
39:07
Speaker 2: behind the scenes that Kathy is allegedly going to do
39:12
Speaker 2: that will never see the light of day. And this
39:15
Speaker 2: is Kyle's concern on camera. I'll get the blame for
39:19
Speaker 2: it because Kathy is going to play along with this
39:21
Speaker 2: aloof personality she has that the fans eat up right,
39:27
Speaker 2: Kyle fear is the world would think I'm the bitch
39:31
Speaker 2: when they have no idea that the moment they yell
39:35
Speaker 2: rap and we go home, there's going to be months
39:39
Speaker 2: of me being attacked by Kathy allegedly that the world
39:43
Speaker 2: will never see.
39:45
Speaker 1: And that's what Kyle is so worried about.
39:47
Speaker 2: That's why she cries or just cut off, cut off
39:50
Speaker 2: when she said that if I get let me tell
39:53
Speaker 2: you something, which which is not something me and my
39:55
Speaker 2: siblings ever do when we get into it. We don't
39:59
Speaker 2: pick the cousins against each other like that's that's I'll
40:04
Speaker 2: say it. That's fucked up dark.
40:06
Speaker 4: It's dark.
40:07
Speaker 2: So if if Kyle and Kathy have an issue Paris
40:13
Speaker 2: and what's the oldest name, Kyle's oldest daughter, Yeah, Paris
40:18
Speaker 2: and Parah can't talk Farah can't Sarah can't be around
40:26
Speaker 2: Paris's new son. Maybe that's the fuck. The part about
40:30
Speaker 2: this is the fact that in my fam and the
40:34
Speaker 2: black family household, when we have issues among siblings, we
40:38
Speaker 2: don't We don't bring it to the cousins like that.
40:41
Speaker 1: It's separate.
40:43
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why the most dangerous person in
40:46
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills to me.
40:49
Speaker 1: Is Kathy in the sense of.
40:52
Speaker 2: The perceived power that Sutton and Crystal that they make
40:59
Speaker 2: on Kathy is because they see what Kathy.
41:03
Speaker 1: Can do with her real blood family, and.
41:07
Speaker 4: They're like, look, great observation, great observation.
41:10
Speaker 2: If this bitch can isolate her her fucking sister, we're pony.
41:17
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why, because let's be real, I
41:20
Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts.
41:21
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's dangerous too. Because they're like,
41:25
Speaker 4: I can only get so close to her because the
41:28
Speaker 4: slightest thing that upsets her, I'm off, Like I'm cut off.
41:35
Speaker 1: Kathy is so powerful.
41:37
Speaker 2: They never showed what was in Lisa Renda's Malila envelope
41:41
Speaker 2: on the reunion.
41:42
Speaker 1: Kathy is so powerful.
41:44
Speaker 2: Lisa Renna left the reunion and resigned from the show
41:49
Speaker 2: because for her, she probably realized even in the midst
41:53
Speaker 2: of this, she's being protected allegedly, right, you would think
41:58
Speaker 2: Chris Jenner is the most powerful part in Beverly Hills just.
42:01
Speaker 4: My property of But again, but is this real though.
42:07
Speaker 2: Which is why I agree with you. I always thought,
42:11
Speaker 2: like kathink that power for Honey's Chris Jenner. But it's
42:14
Speaker 2: perceived because they see the power there.
42:18
Speaker 4: Yes, there is power because it's perceived power. Yes, when's
42:22
Speaker 4: our college course that we're going to direct?
42:24
Speaker 1: Oh, Honey, you see La n Y you look war gates.
42:30
Speaker 4: Were coming for you at Columbia. But wait, Detorisa Judice
42:34
Speaker 4: does the same thing that Kathy does, because those cousins
42:37
Speaker 4: don't talk either.
42:38
Speaker 1: See don't I don't think no, no, no, they don't talk.
42:42
Speaker 4: No, they don't talk. They don't follow each other.
42:44
Speaker 1: I don't think they talk.
42:45
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's esa telling her daughters don't
42:47
Speaker 2: fuck with your cousins.
42:49
Speaker 1: That's the difference. I think, Yeah, you're Kathy.
42:53
Speaker 2: Kathy allegedly is telling Paris Nikki you're not allowed to
42:58
Speaker 2: speak to them, and they're like okay and that or maybe.
43:01
Speaker 4: She doesn't say it, but they know, let's start.
43:07
Speaker 1: Nobody goes against Big Kathy.
43:09
Speaker 4: I have to. I would love to talk to Kathy
43:11
Speaker 4: Hilton about her mother. Yes, I really feel like if
43:15
Speaker 4: we understand Big Kathy in there in a way that's
43:19
Speaker 4: different than reading the op Jerry Oppenheimer book, which we
43:22
Speaker 4: all could do, but it's really when you talk to somebody,
43:25
Speaker 4: you get really a sense of like who their parents
43:27
Speaker 4: were and what set them up to be the person
43:30
Speaker 4: that they are, and how they look at parenting and
43:33
Speaker 4: sibling relationships and friendships.
43:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it all really does make more sense now
43:40
Speaker 1: listen the Gults. I think I think there's.
43:43
Speaker 4: Something happened with Kathy that if we understood her story more,
43:49
Speaker 4: it would make sense why she's so protective, why she
43:52
Speaker 4: isolates people, like something must have happened to her as
43:55
Speaker 4: a kid, family dynamics or what life circumstances where he
44:00
Speaker 4: feels completely vulnerable and or doesn't want to feel vulnerable
44:06
Speaker 4: and therefore cuts people off.
44:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you.
44:10
Speaker 2: I think you're probably the only person who can get
44:14
Speaker 2: a solid interview out of Kathy Hilton, because I think
44:19
Speaker 2: a lot of people would just fan out, like, oh
44:21
Speaker 2: my god, you're so funny and hunky dory and yeah,
44:24
Speaker 2: team Kathy.
44:26
Speaker 1: I think you being a neutral party, like you.
44:31
Speaker 2: Don't give a fuck about what team you're like, You're
44:33
Speaker 2: not on anyone's team here. The beauty of you is
44:37
Speaker 2: you're able to see things from a deeper perspective.
44:41
Speaker 1: And you're able to team truth. Yes, exactly your team.
44:44
Speaker 4: I'm your team, like understanding and truth.
44:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:48
Speaker 4: I feel like, listen all of these housewives, I feel
44:52
Speaker 4: like we're all we all want the best for them,
44:57
Speaker 4: and I feel like a lot of them really just
44:59
Speaker 4: want to be her heard. Yes, And it's not always
45:03
Speaker 4: easy to do when you're part of an ensemble cast
45:05
Speaker 4: and you get like snippets of their personal lives. That's
45:10
Speaker 4: why I like doing interviews with them, because I really
45:13
Speaker 4: think that they all have such a unique way of
45:16
Speaker 4: looking at the world based on their own life circumstances,
45:20
Speaker 4: and the more you learn about them, the more you
45:23
Speaker 4: you're kind of like, Okay, well that's the reason they
45:26
Speaker 4: parent the way. That's the way that they don't always
45:30
Speaker 4: feel protected in their friendships. Like you could do this
45:33
Speaker 4: for every single housewife, but I just think Kathy, Kyle,
45:38
Speaker 4: and Kim are so fascinating because of the added element
45:42
Speaker 4: of like two of them have been working since there
45:45
Speaker 4: were kids, Like what is that like? Imagine your own
45:50
Speaker 4: family if like two of your siblings had been working
45:54
Speaker 4: in Detroit in commercials and movies, and then at some
45:58
Speaker 4: point if your parents are reliant on their income that
46:01
Speaker 4: they generate.
46:03
Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
46:06
Speaker 4: Now they live in a city where everything is about
46:08
Speaker 4: how much power you have, Like that's going to mess
46:12
Speaker 4: you up too. So that's why I'm saying the power
46:14
Speaker 4: and the perceived power are are are sometimes hard to
46:19
Speaker 4: understand in just their family, But then you add like
46:23
Speaker 4: a city that's all about power and perceived power. Perceived
46:27
Speaker 4: power is like that person is like like influencers in
46:30
Speaker 4: modern day era, Like that's perceived power. Do they really
46:33
Speaker 4: have power?
46:34
Speaker 1: Though?
46:34
Speaker 3: Can they green light movies and TV shows?
46:37
Speaker 4: Right?
46:38
Speaker 1: Right?
46:38
Speaker 4: But people think because they have like four point two
46:41
Speaker 4: million followers on TikTok that that's power, it's perceived power.
46:45
Speaker 2: Hm.
46:48
Speaker 1: No, you're right, you're right, You're absolutely right. Like why
46:51
Speaker 1: aren't all these TikTokers running for office?
46:55
Speaker 4: That's like they're so powerful, so many people follow them,
46:57
Speaker 4: they want to buy it, like, but they don't run
46:59
Speaker 4: for off best Why because it's perceived.
47:01
Speaker 1: Its perceived. It's perceived. No, it really, it really is.
47:06
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why when you look at this episode, listen,
47:11
Speaker 2: Denise Richards being on is like whatever, Like, we get it.
47:14
Speaker 2: She was, she was, you know, nervous, Nelly nervous, She
47:17
Speaker 2: was nervous, she drank a little allegedly, yes, exactly. But
47:24
Speaker 2: what I got from this episode was really the I'm
47:28
Speaker 2: going to say it, the perceived power of Kathy and
47:33
Speaker 2: I am more interested in seeing how that play out
47:37
Speaker 2: versus seeing pque redo Pretty Woman Part five with dried
47:42
Speaker 2: and the return necklace, Like I really want to dive
47:46
Speaker 2: more into what you said, like what is happening in
47:50
Speaker 2: Kyle's life to where she now has a voice and
47:56
Speaker 2: she she feels so much freedom and you.
48:02
Speaker 1: Can you see a different person? Yeah, do you like
48:06
Speaker 1: this new Kyle?
48:09
Speaker 3: I do, but I don't like how mean she can be.
48:13
Speaker 3: I don't think the moment.
48:14
Speaker 4: Where she said to Sudden moving the food around the
48:17
Speaker 4: plate was very kind. It could be very damaging. I
48:20
Speaker 4: don't think alluding to someone having an alcohol problem is
48:23
Speaker 4: very kind. And I don't think I would suspect the
48:26
Speaker 4: reading she's gonna say. I didn't like myself in that moment, yeah,
48:29
Speaker 4: because I think she's a deeply caring person. Yeah, And
48:34
Speaker 4: I don't think that she that actually reminded me of
48:37
Speaker 4: the moments where she was probably drunk, like being snippy.
48:40
Speaker 4: But you know, you know, we always say people that
48:44
Speaker 4: are hurt people, right, I think you're seeing somebody who's
48:49
Speaker 4: deeply in pain at that. But when they were filming that,
48:53
Speaker 4: and I suspect the longer time goes on, she's gonna
48:56
Speaker 4: have more clarity. But I didn't like those scenes. But
48:59
Speaker 4: I I like someone finding freedom. And you know what, frankly,
49:02
Speaker 4: I like, I like a show where I watched someone
49:06
Speaker 4: season after season and then suddenly they reveal themselves or
49:11
Speaker 4: they reveal another interesting part of themselves. And very few
49:16
Speaker 4: housewives can do that for me, you know, I'm kind
49:19
Speaker 4: of like, I get it. I know your story, and
49:22
Speaker 4: you know that you got to hire people for these
49:26
Speaker 4: shows that are very complex because it's I want to
49:30
Speaker 4: follow someone's story, and if you're really like pretty bland
49:35
Speaker 4: and one sided, one note, I'm going to get over
49:38
Speaker 4: you pretty quickly. I Vicky Gumbelson. But I like that
49:43
Speaker 4: this is like a whole new chapter, you know.
49:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:46
Speaker 2: No, Kyle's story obviously breathe new life into this season,
49:51
Speaker 2: and I'm very intrigued with what she has going on.
49:56
Speaker 2: I wish the other ladies on the show had enough
49:59
Speaker 2: personal story to go along with what Kyle is.
50:02
Speaker 1: Giving us, because I do agree with you.
50:05
Speaker 2: I do feel like this season is lacking real personal story.
50:10
Speaker 2: I miss seeing Erica like defend herself and getting like,
50:15
Speaker 2: you know, the bad bitch persona that she always had.
50:21
Speaker 1: Deree forget about it.
50:23
Speaker 2: We're never getting anything ever again. I've already said that
50:26
Speaker 2: three years ago.
50:27
Speaker 1: She's still on. So that's that, Crystal.
50:29
Speaker 4: You know what they you know, it's a story that's
50:30
Speaker 4: kind of they glossed over. I hope they go back to.
50:33
Speaker 4: Is like the fact that Crystal's brother was heartbroken because
50:38
Speaker 4: of that breakup and this like this alluding to like
50:43
Speaker 4: Crystal's hand in that.
50:46
Speaker 3: That's interesting too.
50:46
Speaker 4: It's also I mean cultural issues, like Chinese families, are
50:50
Speaker 4: they like that tight that you're old, the older sister
50:54
Speaker 4: has power over the younger brother, Like I why, I
50:57
Speaker 4: wish they would explore that more. I thought that was
50:59
Speaker 4: really interesting. Of course I'm a lunatic and I DM Crystal.
51:03
Speaker 4: I was like, I need, like, what's happening with your brother?
51:05
Speaker 4: Did he mean anybody? She said he's single. And then
51:08
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, why can't he get back with the girl?
51:10
Speaker 4: And she said he met somebody else? Oh, I know,
51:13
Speaker 4: that's so sad. Then I went, why can't he be
51:15
Speaker 4: the bachelor? And she said, but he's forty two, And
51:17
Speaker 4: I said, but he's an Asian forty two, which is
51:19
Speaker 4: an Irish twenty six year old. So I mean, make
51:25
Speaker 4: that happen.
51:26
Speaker 1: No, And by the way, I think he's so hot.
51:27
Speaker 4: By the way, he's very cute. By the way, let's
51:31
Speaker 4: not gloss over the fact he's like a major pop
51:33
Speaker 4: star in China.
51:34
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, Like what did not know that? But
51:38
Speaker 2: that's what I want from Beverly Hills, Like, let's give more.
51:40
Speaker 2: We can't just focus on Kyle. I'm loving it. But
51:43
Speaker 2: let's listen. That was one scene that I was really
51:47
Speaker 2: captivated by. But we don't see we haven't seen it.
51:51
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were like.
51:53
Speaker 4: Oh, we got it, we gotta chase this story. I
51:55
Speaker 4: also think some of the Erica stuff, I wonder if
51:57
Speaker 4: they're couching it because they're going to use it for
51:59
Speaker 4: that too. Episodes special where we follow her a Las Vegas.
52:02
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe.
52:07
Speaker 4: I think Durreet has phoned it in for a long time.
52:11
Speaker 4: But maybe the truth is there are lots of people
52:15
Speaker 4: in this world who are really nice, interesting people, but
52:18
Speaker 4: they're just not great for television.
52:21
Speaker 1: Maybe she's just like we are.
52:23
Speaker 4: You can learn her whole story in one season, you know,
52:26
Speaker 4: like she doesn't have the longitevity because she's not maybe
52:30
Speaker 4: complex enough. Or I would say, if I were a producer,
52:36
Speaker 4: which obviously I'm not, I would say, why don't we
52:39
Speaker 4: explore more of her origin story? Like her I think
52:42
Speaker 4: her parents are from Israel. Oh, and so it's like, Okay,
52:47
Speaker 4: she grew up in Connecticut, Like what is that like
52:49
Speaker 4: to be like raised by parents from another country? Like
52:54
Speaker 4: what was that like in Connecticut? And then you know
52:57
Speaker 4: she was traveling all over the world working in the
52:59
Speaker 4: fashion industry. I feel like they kind of touched on that.
53:02
Speaker 4: Maybe they her first season, but maybe there's more there
53:04
Speaker 4: that that could be What is it like to be
53:07
Speaker 4: a Jewish woman in America in the year twenty twenty four,
53:10
Speaker 4: Like that would be like the story that I would
53:13
Speaker 4: want to chase a bit.
53:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what what's that like in Beverly Hills And
53:17
Speaker 2: what does that mean for your social circle and all
53:19
Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, I really listen. This season is lacking
53:23
Speaker 2: substance for me. I enjoy the dinner party, but I
53:27
Speaker 2: enjoyed it because it brought more information that we just
53:32
Speaker 2: didn't know, and that, to me is what's fascinating about
53:37
Speaker 2: these past two episodes. We'll see what happens next week,
53:42
Speaker 2: but I really want them to focus more on that
53:47
Speaker 2: and seeing how that dinner party hopefully produced more great
53:52
Speaker 2: moments that we'll see afterwards. Lastly, I am interested in
53:58
Speaker 2: is a Marie the New.
54:01
Speaker 1: So We're psych your Psychic?
54:02
Speaker 4: Because I was just gonna say I didn't like the
54:04
Speaker 4: clip where Anne Marie is asking uh Sutton about the
54:09
Speaker 4: esophagus issue because she's an anesthesiologist, I believe, and remember
54:13
Speaker 4: she had the conversation with Kyle. Kyle was like, I
54:15
Speaker 4: think it's weird. She says, like things get caught in
54:17
Speaker 4: her esophagus, and then Amory's like is it a sphincter issue?
54:20
Speaker 4: Like what? And it looks like she's like in a
54:24
Speaker 4: group of other people kind of drilling down on Ston
54:28
Speaker 4: like well, this esophagus story, like it doesn't make any sense.
54:33
Speaker 4: Now if it's true, let's live in that vortex. Like
54:36
Speaker 4: if it is true that Sutton does have some eating issues,
54:40
Speaker 4: which we don't know if it's true, but it's been
54:42
Speaker 4: like alluded to. I'm not going to feel good about
54:46
Speaker 4: a scene where someone's like this story doesn't add up
54:49
Speaker 4: or you like, do you have anorexia?
54:52
Speaker 3: Like that would be pretty gross and yeah.
54:55
Speaker 4: That's dark, Like I don't know if people really want
54:57
Speaker 4: to see that. You know, people would like to see
55:00
Speaker 4: a scene where maybe Sutton is on a hike with
55:02
Speaker 4: somebody like a Kyle and Kyle talks about like, you know,
55:06
Speaker 4: I grew up in an industry where I was a
55:09
Speaker 4: six year old on a movie set and I'm being told,
55:12
Speaker 4: you know, you got to watch what you eat and
55:14
Speaker 4: the very realistic pressures because we can't forget that Sutton
55:17
Speaker 4: was a ballerina, yeah, and like, well they need to
55:21
Speaker 4: explore that too, Like what is it like to be
55:24
Speaker 4: a ballerina? Like I'm a daughter who's a dance and
55:28
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about I'm a sports mom really
55:31
Speaker 4: at heart, I played college sports, and as an outsider
55:35
Speaker 4: to this dance world, I'm like, wait, what like the
55:37
Speaker 4: things that people say to dancers about their weight, and
55:42
Speaker 4: then you think about how much worse it would be
55:44
Speaker 4: if you were a she I believe was a very
55:46
Speaker 4: good ballerina, like I think she danced in New York
55:49
Speaker 4: and the pressure of like your body, That, to me,
55:52
Speaker 4: is a much more effective conversation. That's a conversation starter
55:56
Speaker 4: and could be really healing to a lot of the women.
55:59
Speaker 4: That frame is the majority of the audience. That, to
56:02
Speaker 4: me is a much more effective and powerful conversation than
56:06
Speaker 4: this esophagus story is like bullshit, And you know you're
56:10
Speaker 4: the one who pushed food around your plate, Like I
56:12
Speaker 4: don't feel like that's what we should be doing in
56:14
Speaker 4: the year twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four.
56:17
Speaker 1: No, no, I cannot agree more with that.
56:19
Speaker 2: I'm definitely intrigue with what a Marie has going on
56:22
Speaker 2: outside of buddy.
56:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, like who is she? Yeah? Like, what's her story?
56:27
Speaker 5: I want to see They're they're positioning her to be
56:31
Speaker 5: belittling to a woman about her eating issues without providing
56:37
Speaker 5: the audience opportunity to get to know her.
56:40
Speaker 3: Don't you think that's kind of setting her up for disaster?
56:43
Speaker 1: Uh?
56:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I'm lying, because the audience is
56:46
Speaker 2: going to be that yeah. Yeah.
56:48
Speaker 4: Like like she talked about how she was an athlete,
56:52
Speaker 4: she's married to an athlete. I want to know her
56:54
Speaker 4: personal story. I don't like how they kind of just
56:57
Speaker 4: like threw her into a dinner scene either. I would
56:59
Speaker 4: have like like something where I learned more about her
57:03
Speaker 4: before she just shows up to a party. But I
57:06
Speaker 4: feel like that's a lot of housewives now, Like New
57:08
Speaker 4: York we saw that too. It's like and then they're together,
57:11
Speaker 4: and I don't know, maybe I'm old school that way,
57:14
Speaker 4: like I need a little.
57:15
Speaker 3: I need a little bit of appetizer before the dinner.
57:18
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna say something to you because obviously I
57:21
Speaker 2: produce shows and create them too. A new season one
57:25
Speaker 2: of my shows were filming it long story shure, we're
57:28
Speaker 2: adding someone new to the cast and the first time
57:31
Speaker 2: she filmed with us. It was a big explosive argument
57:35
Speaker 2: she had with a cast member, like huge, it was
57:38
Speaker 2: major and the whole time, I said, this can't be
57:44
Speaker 2: how people meet her for the first time. Yeah, you
57:47
Speaker 2: can't meet her at a group event and she's arguing
57:49
Speaker 2: with a fellow cast member.
57:51
Speaker 1: That can't be it.
57:52
Speaker 2: I said, we have to show who she is at
57:54
Speaker 2: home first. You have to like rest in her world
57:58
Speaker 2: and know who she is and feel like, oh, I
58:00
Speaker 2: know you. So when you see them argue like Okay,
58:05
Speaker 2: now I really know you. But that can be the
58:07
Speaker 2: first time you meet them, because you're gonna be like
58:10
Speaker 2: what You're either thirsty, you're trying too hard, and it
58:15
Speaker 2: doesn't connect to the audience.
58:17
Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right about that.
58:19
Speaker 2: If we would have met Kyle going over Amory's house,
58:24
Speaker 2: I'm having a dinner party.
58:26
Speaker 1: I would love you to.
58:26
Speaker 2: Come cut to like a package of a Marie with
58:31
Speaker 2: her husband and the kids, seeing her world. Then when
58:34
Speaker 2: she gets there being nosy, You're like, yeah, that's who
58:38
Speaker 2: she is, and I'm now I know.
58:40
Speaker 1: Her at least. Yes.
58:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, But overall, I enjoyed these past two episodes, So
58:47
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, I'll say this once, I'll say it again,
58:50
Speaker 2: Alex Baskin, please.
58:52
Speaker 1: Hire Kate Casey as a producer or a consultant. I know.
58:57
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying it publicly, So Alex.
58:59
Speaker 4: Ai, they do a great job higher Kate.
59:02
Speaker 1: You know, I just I am.
59:04
Speaker 4: A big fan of production because I think the audience
59:09
Speaker 4: really rips on them when they don't like something. But
59:11
Speaker 4: I just this is a team of people who work.
59:15
Speaker 4: They're fans of the show too, and they work really
59:18
Speaker 4: really hard. They are embedded in people's homes and lives
59:22
Speaker 4: and they get to know the cast very well. And
59:25
Speaker 4: I think they're all doing the best they can to
59:28
Speaker 4: do really great storytelling. And yeah, sometimes people miss things,
59:33
Speaker 4: but you know, it's a really tough, tough job, and
59:36
Speaker 4: I just like great storytelling.
59:38
Speaker 2: Now listen, Belly Hills is number one for a reason
59:43
Speaker 2: and it's the best. But I still want them to
59:46
Speaker 2: hire you because I want them to I.
59:49
Speaker 1: Want the women to go deeper. And I think it
59:51
Speaker 1: takes a moment.
59:52
Speaker 2: Like you, who is a housewife to say no, Sister,
59:56
Speaker 2: I actually relate to you, and like, I know, I
1:00:00
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1:00:02
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1:00:04
Speaker 3: By the way, that's why I'm like, why am I
1:00:05
Speaker 3: not on Watch What Happens Live?
1:00:07
Speaker 1: Ask me.
1:00:07
Speaker 4: I'm a real housewife. I got five kids at home.
1:00:10
Speaker 4: I got a husband that works all the time. Like
1:00:12
Speaker 4: I'm in the thick of it, Like I can give
1:00:14
Speaker 4: you a perspective.
1:00:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you. That's why I've listened.
1:00:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Thank you for thank you for.
1:00:20
Speaker 2: A producer credit at least consulting something. Okay, thank you, well, Kate,
1:00:25
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1:00:26
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1:00:51
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Speaker 4: the cult moved to be with her, and they would
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Speaker 4: drink colloidal silver so her like skin turned purple. And
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Speaker 4: so when she died because she went into organ failure,
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Speaker 4: they wrapped her dead body in a sleeping bag in
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Speaker 4: Christmas lights and covered her with glitter and they made
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Speaker 4: a shrine to her. I'm not kidding you.
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