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Are we living in the return of The Mahdi? ft. Sadiq Damani · After Maghrib 🌙

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  All the Ballahana shut down like in the regime's Mallahu Rahman
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  Rahim brothers, sisters, Salaam Alaikum.
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  But welcome back to after Maghrib.
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  We are around the midway point of Shahramadhan and we pray and
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  Shah Allah. The month thus far has been
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  spiritually uplifting and a chance to reconnect, of course,
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  with the last final to Allah, the Holy Quran, the basically,
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  but also with your friends, your family and your communities and
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  of course, the podcast. So if you're not already
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  subscribed, make sure you smash that subscribe button.
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  Check out the last two or three podcasts where we're talking
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  about Shaharam Avan. We've been talking about how to
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  make the most out of this blessed banquet of the last
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  panel to Allah and to really make the most of the days that
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  we are in. We're approaching the most
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  critical juncture of Shaharam Avan, that of course being a
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  martyrdom of a Miramar, Manin, Alabita, Salaam Salaam, and of
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  course the Knights of power, the Knights of destiny.
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  Of course, we know that is worth more than 1000 months, Haydeman
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  al Fisher, and this is inshallah something we are going to be
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  looking at today in the light of Imam al Mehti, Ajahwah al
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  Apology Sharif and how to use this month to really rekindle,
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  reconnect and to understand Imam al Mehti and his mission, his
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  purpose in a greater depth. As you can tell, I am not joined
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  by my dear brother, said Ali. Unfortunately, he's not well
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  today, so I just hope, we hope he's not going to miss his fast
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  tomorrow. But we miss you, said Ali.
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  But I have the most adequate replacement, my dear brother MO
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  Salaam Alaikum Muhammad Ali. How you doing, bro?
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  I'm good, I'm good. How was your week?
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  It was good. The last time we did this exact
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  pod with our blessed and respected guest, Muhammad asked
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  me how was your weekend? And it was a Thursday, so I was
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  like, it was, I was OK. I don't really remember it but
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  Al Hamdallah, how was Shaharam al?
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  Hamdallah has been good man. I've been mostly going to
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  Stanmore, which is obviously as good as we have a various.
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  Homes where the high is. Homes where the high is
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  absolutely. So, Yeah, Al Hamdallah has been
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  good, man. Yeah.
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  How about yourself? Yeah, it's been good, man.
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  We've had good discussions. It's different, of course, this
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  year we were talking before the podcast about kind of the social
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  challenges of parenting and kind of how in this blessed month,
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  you are more irritable, you're more tired, you're more, you're
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  more, you know, burdened. I don't want to say burdened,
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  but your schedule's busier. So then you are more, you have
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  to be more patient and more agile and versatile.
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  So Hamdallah, it's been a blessing, but also
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  responsibility in the test. But brothers and sisters, we are
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  happy to introduce someone who's, I think, no unfamiliar
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  face to you all. He's, of course, been on the
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  podcast. And the last time he was here,
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  Muhammad and I had the honour of sitting beside him, our dear
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  friend, our brother, Sadiq Damani.
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  How are you doing, brother? Hamdulillah, good, good to be
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  there. Hamdi.
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  Yeah. Welcome back to London.
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  Hamdulillah. How?
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  How's your trip being so far? Cold.
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  Yeah. I missed the sun.
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  Oh wow, it's been a warm frost event the last couple of weeks.
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  We had a random 18° day the other.
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  Day. I don't know where that came
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  from because it was like 2. 3. Four.
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  And now we're back to cold rain. And grey skies, well, London's
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  London, right? It will never change I was
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  hoping. You do forget you.
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  You grew up here, so yeah. It doesn't doesn't feel like it
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  sometimes, you know, like seeing the grey skies.
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  What is this thing? I've become so accustomed.
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  You have of course been speaking in Haideri Jamaat, South London,
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  Hamdallah. We've had great feedback and I'm
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  sure it's been good. How's it been for you?
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  Really nice, really, really nice.
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  I think it's a, it's my in law community, right?
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  That's why I'm married into the community.
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  So there's always, there's been like a nice relationship over
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  there for the last 10-11 years. It's nice to see people like
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  some of the topics we went into were not just, I guess your
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  typical pulpit topics. They were a bit more academic, a
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  bit more theoretical. And it was nice to see these
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  guys glued for like 4550 minutes straight.
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  I think there's like a, there's an interest in seeing textual
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  proofs, understanding what their element have to say, not just
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  always being necessarily inspired at a high level, but
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  actually to go, let's go in a little bit and then come out by
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  the end of the day and see where you emerge.
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  And I think there was some it's nice to see people engage with
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  that more and then ask you after like, so can you tell me where I
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  can buy these books? Like, wow, that's, that's our
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  objective, right? Connect to their Isle of Man,
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  take everyone there. So it's good, Hamdallah,
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  Hamdallah. We're of course, as I mentioned
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  at a really critical point in Shah Al Mahan, we are
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  approaching such heavy and and weighty nights and, and it can't
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  be understated how important the the Knights of Power ladies of
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  Qatar is. If I can ask you just to start,
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  what does it really mean to you on a personal level, on an
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  emotional level? How do you connect?
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  How do you spend your nights of God that I know over the last
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  few years there's been these discussions about how to spend
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  the nights. Is it ritualistic and rigid or
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  as kind of free flowing and you go where the heart is, you know
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  as you were saying earlier when you when you become a parent.
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  And harm the the the dynamic changes right where you where
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  you used to pull off a full night.
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  You're now thinking my kids going to be up in 40 minutes.
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  Yeah, it's a slightly different dynamic.
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  Honestly, that led me to something you could call it a
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  CHEAT SHEET perhaps, but it's there for a reason.
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  And that was monojat of tatibin, which is recommended in the Amal
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  somewhere. I don't think it's one of the
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  prominent things that's recommended us.
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  But any, anything that takes you towards Allah, especially in
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  Toba on these nights is very special.
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  And frankly, the reason why I picked it for I think it was
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  like maybe four years ago when my son was just born.
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  And it was very much in like the, the lack of sleep phase.
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  It was just what's quick, being very blunt, what's quick.
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  And I came across and it was like 8 minutes.
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  OK, good. You know.
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  So I remember I sat there and put my headphones on.
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  I think it was Mulla Mortova. Quraish, Quraish, Quraish,
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  Quraish. Quraish.
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  Quraish spell, Quraish in English spell.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mulla Ortola, beautiful and
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  beautiful smell, God bless him. And he had he was reciting it
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  and I just remember thinking like, OK, if this is like the 8
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  minutes I've got off the night or whatever time I had, let's
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  focus in. And that's now become a pinnacle
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  part of my and I'd really recommend it to everyone who
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  discuss it's a it's it's 100% worth it.
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  Like turn down those lights, let everyone else go to sleep.
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  And if you just want to focus in like the way that it begins when
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  I when I tell you know, one of the early lines is like I've
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  clothed myself in ignorance and the imagery of it when we had to
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  study English GCSE. What's the imagery of the verse
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  when we don't care about William Blake and war poetry.
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  But now we're in the realm of like spirituality and and
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  godliness and told me like yeah. And if I and other verses along
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  the lines like if I was to knock at any other door, then which on
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  the door would I arrive at? It's just like this kind of
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  theme and it's it's beautiful. So that and especially, I think
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  when you start to realise the importance of the Emalem sun
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  within the Knights of Qadar, the raising of the must have for the
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  Quran on one's head. And really seeing that these two
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  things are, you know, Sharif Al Quran, the partners of the Quran
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  or the part of the Quran, you start to realise that, wow, what
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  was just a place the Quran on the head and get arm ache
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  halfway through has now turned into something a lot more
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  powerful on that night. Rather, it's it's it's renewing
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  beta 100%. In many ways, they are the
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  interpreters of that book. And again, even if you pick one
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  imam of that night, if you're struggling on time or focus or
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  whatever, pick one Imam or just invested in them.
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  They can, they can do wonders. Yeah, wonders.
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  Yeah, man, I I completely resonate with that actually.
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  You know, like you said when you you connected with Munaja Tata
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  being for me for the last few years, I think Ziya Jamita is
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  huge. And it's, as you said, it's
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  recognizing the connection with of the IMA with this knight.
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  And especially when we're talking about the importance of
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  the knight and the like, the magnitude of the night, I feel
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  like Ziya Jamita teaches you or tells you the magnitude of your
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  Imam on that on that night and allows you to really think
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  about, you know, the the focal point of this night of that who,
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  who is this man that, you know, is, is, is embodying this like
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  beauty on this night. So, yeah, genuine, like
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  genuinely, I think that is it's so beautiful as well that you
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  said that when you're listening to this dua or munaja Munajaat
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  or Zearat or however to ponder upon the meanings of them, you
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  know, like that in itself is a form of Ebada, right?
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  The idea of you know, because pondering upon the meaning is is
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  searching for knowledge as well, right?
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  And searching for knowledge in itself is also in Ebada and
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  especially. On the Artman night.
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  On the Artman night. Exactly.
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  So yeah, that to me is is is is very important as well.
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  I think I struggle a lot with recitation of of long art mile
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  and I'm just being very honest. Yeah, yeah.
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  That's not a good, that's not a good thing.
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  I like, I hope to improve on that on that front.
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  But I think in terms of being able to ponder on meanings, even
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  if it's like a short part of it as Yara that is recommended on
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  the night or any of the Amal to be able to sit and to be able to
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  ponder really deeply into the meanings of of any of them
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  because they're all treasures, right?
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  Everything that we recite and it's taught by the Imams, Iim,
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  Salam, they're all treasures. So even being able to ponder and
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  to be able to understand even maybe a fragment of of some of
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  the things that we recite, it's it's huge on on a nightlife.
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  Case of 500% there's, there's so many benefits to gain.
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  And I think we spent the last couple of weeks really trying to
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  reconnect with, with especially the Holyoke Quran.
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  And we find we find so many themes.
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  Last week in in our podcast, we were talking about covenants in
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  sort of Baqarah and how Allah has the covenant with mankind
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  and Bunny Sahil. And, and then of course, he
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  talks about Nabila Muhammad Sallallahu Ali and how the
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  people recognise and await him and await the the final message
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  in the book and then reject him upon his arrival.
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  And at that point, when I was reading that, I had kind of a
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  realization that we have traditions which talk about the
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  same sort of context with Imam al Mehti.
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  So, for example, we, we see a rabbit or not money, if I'm not
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  mistaken, that at the time of his the hall, the people come to
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  the Imam and he'll say some go say to him, go back, O son of
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  Fatima, after recognizing him and praying for him.
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  For so long, 11 centuries, our Imam has been in labour.
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  He has been non apparent to us and I think that's such an
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  important thing to recognise that although he is content with
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  the will of Allah, the color of Allah span to Allah.
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  At the same time, he is anxious to be able to come and to to
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  fill the world with justice and Iman and of course Yakin in the
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  final in the true message. A lot of the time we hear about
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  the connection between the holy of Quran and Imam al Mehdi.
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  Of course, in sort al Israel we read Bismillah Rahman al him.
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  Beware of the day we will summon every people with their leader
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  Imam. And I think that's something
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  which brings my mind to Imam al Mehdi, but in the context of
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  Layal al Qadar and Imam al Mehdi.
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  What is the kind of the relationship and the correlation
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  between our awaited and our current Imam and the the night
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  of the night it comes down? Ultimately our indication, I
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  guess begins with that blessing Sora of Khazar itself, where the
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  verse gives you a clue about something to investigate as to
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  what's going on. Just a point on that before we
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  look at that specific verse within it, because we're
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  speaking, we're about to mention our stories because of Sheikh
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  Somali in one of his discussions prior to Shahram Alam beginning
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  that he posted on his channel, which I think everyone even if
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  you've Shahraman's begun still ever watch of it.
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  He was speaking about preparation for Leila Zumkazov
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  and he said and as we were saying before the podcast, like
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  he's before recording that he's very measured.
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  He is very measured Scotland very he was on our podcast.
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  I saw you had just recently on Salah.
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  I think he had a beautiful. I don't think don't neglect your
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  Salah like keep on to that was. Such a amazing you know what?
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  So when people, and This is why we always say go back to their
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  Aluma, not to just randoms, go back to their aluma who are
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  measured, who are refined themselves here.
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  We've known him since we were kids.
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  He was the guy on the pulpit where we were like, is he still
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  talking? We were those Muppets.
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  You know, he wouldn't mind us saying that, I'm sure teacher.
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  But like, listen, we now see, OK, we were given a gift, you
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  know him and shape up and poor like really?
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  So he was saying as a measured, measured Adam.
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  He said the ulama prepare for Shahrukh fin.
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  Leila tan khadar. The morning after Leila tan
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  khadar finishes. Wow.
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  So Leila Tan Khadar, let's say it's tonight, they finished by
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  Fajr, they start preparing for next Leyland Telhader after Fajr
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  300 and whatever days. When he said that, I was like,
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  that's nuts. He said how you'll find a lot of
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  them. They'll say recite Swords and
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  Kader 1000 times a day. If you can't do it throughout
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  the year, these 30 days or 1920130123 days up until later,
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  Telhader comes Swords and Kader every night, every day, thousand
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  times. This is the level that these
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  guys because they understand the matter for that night.
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  They are prepping it. They are really prepping.
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  And I remember one of my teachers when we told him that
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  we were expecting our second child, he was like Sadak, just
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  keep reciting sort of some kind of don't stop, don't stop.
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  Just just tell your wife, keep, keep reciting, keep.
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  What's the obsession when you understand that it's every
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  single Amor comes down in that night, you know?
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  OK, there's that these guys who are clearly on a certain level
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  realized something about this night that we don't appreciate,
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  you know, and if you imagine the Emali and Saddam are of people
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  who can see beyond many veils, I'm going to get into a
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  theological session. How many veils?
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  All the veils, whatever. They can see many through many
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  veils. They can see things that we
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  can't see in this life. They can, for example, see.
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  Anyway, we'll leave that discussion to another side, but
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  they can see things. You do wonder about those angels
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  descending on that night. What are they seeing and what
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  are they experiencing in that time?
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  And that verse, Tenez, Zululu, Melaka, war, Ruhu, which is
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  again another big discussion. What's there?
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  You've seen the Melaka and the roar Fihab in the rabahim in
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  Kuliam Kuliam. OK, fine, All of this stuff is
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  descending. We would inquire to where?
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  Upon what? In what context, right.
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  And it's not, I would say it's from my understanding, it's not
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  explicit in the verse as to where it is going.
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  We just know stuff is coming down or these angels are
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  bringing it down and the roar is bringing it down.
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  But we enquire as to where. And the narrations are very
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  clear about what the answer is to that.
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  And it's a shame that I would say we don't look at that enough
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  if we don't go back to those narrations enough to say this
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  line of enquiry where we kind of stop there.
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  And here let's, let's contemplate, let's reflect on
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  this first one. If you're missing a crucial
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  piece as to where it's descending, your reflection or
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  your pondering or your Teddabur is going to be very limited in
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  scope. If you just expand slightly,
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  read a couple of the wires associated with it from the
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  fasiline, you'd be like, oh, it goes down to the most
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  spiritually refined perfect soul or Hajjah upon the face of the
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  earth at that time. Yeah.
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  And then you start thinking and then you start reflecting going
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  what's his role, what's he up to?
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  How does that affect us? What is he going through in that
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  moment? And so on.
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  The whole thing opens up. And that's that's why I think
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  this discussion opens up this connection between Leila
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  Salkhador, Saurat, Alkhador Senezil and Mila Mila.
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  OK, where are they descending to?
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  Where are they are going upon? And then we see it is with the
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  Imam, and that's where this whole thing opens up.
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  How can we prove that though? So when we say Kulli Amar, what
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  does that mean? Well, I mean, I've seen some of
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  the Omar they mentioned with regards to Amar and Amar of
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  Allah's panel to Allah, this is something that's mentioned in
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  Zhatu JAMA as well, right? Well, emeru ileiko, right?
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  The idea that Allah's, they translate it as affairs.
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  You could say the other and the other of Allah.
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  The mechanisms by which Allah keeps the universe afloat or in
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  existence. I mean everything to do with
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  existence. Essentially this is the Amor of
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  Allah, Subhanaw to Allah, right? So when we understand men, Kuli
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  AM it, it it it's truly beyond comprehension.
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  Even when we talk about the Amour of Allah's panel to Allah,
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  that is everything to do with his shown and his affairs that
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  is descending upon the Imam on that night.
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  So yeah, like as as brother Sadaq mentioned, you're talking
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  about an individual who is in the place of Rasulullah on that
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  night, Rasulullah upon whom the angels would descend, the ruh
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  would descend. As you mentioned.
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  Obviously there's discussion about what that ruh is.
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  Obviously the Mufasareen, they mentioned different opinions.
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  There's some they say that it refers to Ruhul Amin, which is
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  Jibrahil. And then there's there's then
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  there's a discussion while Jibrahil is from the Malaika.
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  So how can it it distinguishes between Malaika and ruh.
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  And I remember I read the ruhaya from, I believe it was Imam al
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  Barker, Ali Salaam. It might be in tafsir forat of
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  coffee if I remember correctly, and he mentions that the rule is
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  Fatima Ali Hasalam. Now I looked at an explanation
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  of some of the ulama with regards to this and they
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  mentioned basically that the rule being mentioned here is not
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  ruhal Amin but ruhal odos. And the idea that this is the
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  mechanism through which Allah subhanahu to Allah has supported
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  all of his prophets. All of the Hajj of Allah
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  subhanahu to Allah from Adam all the way to our Imam were
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  supported by this kind of entity or this mechanism that is
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  referred to as Rahul Kodos in the Quran.
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  And the on the, on the realm upon which the Noor of Muhammad
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  Sallallahu Ali like exists, that part of the Noor of Muhammad is
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  what is represented by, say the and that to me as well is is
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  beautiful in, in the sense that because obviously we see the
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  imagery with regards to the Layla itself, right?
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  And the idea that the Layla is, say the Fatima Zahra.
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  And it brings it all together in the sense that you see the
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  connection as well between Imam Sahab Zaman and say the Fatima
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  where Imam Sahab Zamani says in this stocky where in the leafy
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  fibrilla hassana that I have a great example and my in the
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  daughter of Rasulullah. So you can see the connection
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  there between Imam Zahab Zamma and Seyda Fatimah Zahra on that
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  night. That night is the night of the
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  Alan Beit 100% the and and of course, our teacher Shekhar
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  Mandamani also mentioned a point that I didn't think of as well
• 20:14
  that all in M. Which is mentioned in the the
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  people of the amma right? So you can see how the Quran and
• 20:22
  Hadith are also like they build you.
• 20:25
  Intertwine the picture. Like it's a jigsaw puzzle puzzle
• 20:28
  that only fits together in one way, right?
• 20:31
  I think it's beautiful, genuinely.
• 20:34
  And I think there's a big part of this, perhaps you can say for
• 20:37
  for many of us, we we all know about Hadith Akalain and we all
• 20:42
  know that Salaam Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi told us to
• 20:44
  hold on to these 280 things, that Quran, the Qatar, Allah.
• 20:49
  Well, it's like the, the, the, the, the family of the Holy
• 20:53
  Prophet and to never to hold on to them and you'll never go
• 20:56
  astray. And he says until the day of
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  Kiyama. So then the question of course
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  arises, if they are always to be together, never to be separated,
• 21:05
  how will that be the case? And until the day of Qayama, if
• 21:08
  after the whole life of the Holy Prophet Muhammad's Allahu Ali,
• 21:11
  what is the Quran, you know, kind of joined with what is it,
• 21:17
  what is it, what is it connected to?
• 21:20
  You know 100% till today until today, right?
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  And and the verse gives that away in in the verb that it
• 21:26
  uses, Tenezalu Malaika. It's continuous.
• 21:28
  Yeah, yes, yes. The Tenezaluu, yes, you have to.
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  You have to question. It doesn't stop at the end of
• 21:33
  the prophet's time. It continues and then go on.
• 21:37
  To say so, is that a point to say that it wasn't a case where
• 21:40
  the Amar of Allah span to Allah until Yomalkayama was revealed
• 21:43
  at the time of the Holy Prophet? It can't be the case right?
• 21:46
  That all of the Amar of Allah until Yomalkayama was revealed
• 21:50
  at the time of the Holy Prophet Muhammad.
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  I have no idea what was revealed.
• 21:52
  Because if the if the verb, no, what I mean is if the verb, if
• 21:56
  the verb is an ongoing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Form it was always coming was revealed.
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  Rather it reveals on in a continuing ever going form.
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  I would it's something to something too scared to to offer
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  comments. Who knows, maybe online gave
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  everything to the prophet in. That one night and then I I
• 22:12
  don't know what you want to discuss.
• 22:13
  So would you say that this, especially this, this kind of
• 22:16
  verse and of course the many other verses in the Holy Quran
• 22:20
  point to a rational argument about the existence of the Holy
• 22:23
  Imam? I feel like we live in a day and
• 22:26
  age where when we think of Shahad Al Mahan, when we think
• 22:30
  of it in one form, a separate entity to the Holy Quran, which
• 22:33
  we see in a separate light to the and we see these, as you
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  say, as different pieces in the wider jigsaw possible.
• 22:41
  We don't glue it together. So a big issue we have is I feel
• 22:45
  the the, the shirk and the doubt that comes with the existence of
• 22:50
  the Holy Imam. May we be sacrifice for him and
• 22:55
  shame upon us as a community for devaluing the Holy Imam.
• 22:59
  And I think a lot of that comes back to our own personal
• 23:02
  conviction in not just his existence, but the application
• 23:07
  of his presence in our daily lives.
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  How do we kind of balance this and understand this?
• 23:15
  And here we begin. This is this is this is the
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  journey. This is OK.
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  Let let let let's try this, right?
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  I'm going to I'm going to mention a couple of narrations
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  that I found about this night. Just to answer to your earlier
• 23:26
  point off what's happening after the Prophet, right?
• 23:29
  Because if we can illustrate through a narration that the
• 23:35
  Tenziel is taking place beyond after the Prophet's death, then
• 23:39
  we open up this discussion of, OK, Haditha faqalain is now
• 23:43
  actually not adding up. But it can't again, it makes
• 23:45
  sense, right? It's continued to the Imam or
• 23:47
  Ali, Ali Salaam, who else does it continue to?
• 23:49
  And if we can prove that, then we can arrive at the point, OK,
• 23:51
  what's going on with the Imam? And if I've got Sheikh in his
• 23:54
  existence or in his birth or whatever the Shubha Hut is
• 23:57
  nowadays, there always seems to be a new one coming out, then we
• 24:00
  can address that and pick it apart.
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  Yeah, pick it apart. So 2 narrations.
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  The first one's a little bit longer, the second one's quite
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  short. In fact, I'll start with the
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  short one because, you know, attention spans are short.
• 24:09
  So we'll go with this one. Then we'll go to the long one.
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  Is from Holy Faith for my mum, Baqar Ali Saddam, where he's
• 24:14
  reported to say do you know when it is the night he was asked?
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  Do you know when it is the night of Qatar?
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  And honestly, this line, this response is a goosebump. 1 He's
• 24:26
  asked, do you know when it is? The Knight of Qatar on
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  Bahrainism reported a reply saying, how can we not know when
• 24:33
  the angels surround us on that night?
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  That's a madness. That's like Tenezolin melodica,
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  right? They're coming down.
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  So if they're going somewhere and he's saying, how would we
• 24:48
  not know? Did you see?
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  Did you see the bus? Yeah, because it came up in
• 24:53
  front of me. I saw it, yeah, of course,
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  because what are these? What are these angels doing
• 24:57
  around me? Where are they?
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  Where are they going? The long generation.
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  So that proves it from Malabar, Ali, Saddam, which again you
• 25:04
  would assume would apply to the prior 4.
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  But. Do you mind mentioning the books
• 25:08
  and just so that? For sure I can bring this one.
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  It's it's always that's nice to proper more.
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  It's nice to Yeah, I know, I know you.
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  You weren't nice for the viewers to, of course, hear the names of
• 25:18
  the books. Familiarize us.
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  I like the. Answer though, because the
• 25:21
  reference I have here is via Bihar, so we need to go and
• 25:23
  check it. It won't like be answered there.
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  But yeah, it's found in Bihar 9414.
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  But we can we can go and check it.
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  It's probably going to be from, not Omani or.
• 25:32
  Shechers or something? Then the longer narration that
• 25:37
  proves it early from earlier from the first time or Ali
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  Salaam. Ali Salaam reported from his
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  father, mum Bahar Ali Salaam again once Imam Ali Ali Ali
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  Salaam recites it, saw it to Qatar in the presence of his two
• 25:47
  sons, mum Hassimar Hussein Alihi Salaam, and he said to them and
• 25:51
  Imam Hussein Ali Salaam said to him his father or father.
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  It is as if recitation brings a sweet taste to your mouth.
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  The Imam replies or Alleli Salaam, oh son of the messenger
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  and my son, I've experienced in this night what you have not yet
• 26:05
  experienced. When it was first revealed your
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  grandfather sent for me and recited it to me.
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  Then he gripped my right shoulder and said, Oh my
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  brother, my successor, the custodian of my nation after me,
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  and the one who will fight my enemies until the O Multiyama,
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  this Sora is for you after me and for your children after you.
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  Indeed, Jibrail, my brother amongst the angels, has informed
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  me of the future of my nation and will keep you informed just
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  as he did with me during the days of my prophetic mission.
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  This Sora contains a light that will radiate in your heart and
• 26:38
  the hearts of your successes up to the advent of Al Khar Imman.
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  Wow, checkmate. Yeah, checkmate fully.
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  Checkmate not not to use a Haram game.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Checkmate.
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  Everything's there. It's done.
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  It's. Done who, when and where and and
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  the. Continuation when and so
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  suddenly this this is the thing. It's it's very difficult for at
• 27:03
  least for me to digest having sniffed the slightest of
• 27:08
  fragrances of generations that have made Salam.
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  Thanks to our mentors and teachers who have exposed us to
• 27:13
  them to not pair up these verses of Quran with the narrations
• 27:18
  that go alongside with it. It's almost like now when I read
• 27:20
  a verse of Quran, I'm like, OK, beautiful.
• 27:23
  And what did the Imam say about it?
• 27:24
  That's like where my head goes now.
• 27:25
  And what did the Imam say about it?
• 27:27
  Because I don't want to apply my version of this understanding.
• 27:32
  OK, so the angels came down. It was at the time of the
• 27:35
  prophet. So it's only the prophet.
• 27:37
  OK, so it stops there. Imagine if someone starts their
• 27:40
  reflection with this kind of mindset because there is no
• 27:44
  explicit statement to an English speaker.
• 27:47
  Let's say that this is a present tense, it's ongoing and it must
• 27:51
  therefore continue to the imam of our time.
• 27:52
  They could just tell you like, wow, it must have been such a
• 27:54
  special night. There's so many dollars on that
• 27:56
  night. You're missing the whole picture
• 27:58
  because I don't, I don't have a lot of laziness, intellectual
• 28:01
  arrogance, lack of willingness to want to understand that the
• 28:05
  right are going to open this up for you.
• 28:07
  But when you open it up with that, your whole reflection now
• 28:09
  goes on Imam Imam Hodge on the earth like it's a whole
• 28:14
  different game, right? And I would say the lack of
• 28:20
  conviction that maybe the average Joe, average Jawad has
• 28:24
  in the Shiite community, let's say if they get more exposed
• 28:28
  generations like this, you could argue that all of the
• 28:31
  intellectual proofs or rational proofs about the existence of
• 28:34
  the Imam are not even necessary because they're seeing this
• 28:36
  going, Oh my God, the Imam is so central to all this.
• 28:39
  Why would I even bother doubting his existence?
• 28:42
  Like this almost serves as a proof for them, right?
• 28:45
  If they're told by a trusted set of scholars that these are
• 28:47
  trusted narrations and so on and so on, of course they'd be like,
• 28:49
  well, it'd be silly for me to doubt.
• 28:51
  Like I'll give you just to hold the example, Imam what mean Ali
• 28:55
  Salman, Imam, let's take Imam Hassan.
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  Ali. Salam.
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  They're not going to sit there going.
• 28:58
  I doubt the existence of Imam and Hassan.
• 29:00
  Why? Because that I've heard so much
• 29:02
  about him. I've seen his central role in
• 29:03
  some of the battles. I've heard La Yomakiyomakiya
• 29:06
  about Abdullah. I've heard about his poison
• 29:08
  liver and his wife. But like there's too much going
• 29:11
  on there in historical accounts and what I've heard and what I
• 29:14
  understand for me to now go, ah, but he didn't exist.
• 29:17
  But when it comes to the Imam, our lack of general
• 29:21
  understanding about his role, his, his, his remit, his
• 29:26
  willaya, etcetera, kind of makes us go, well, I don't really know
• 29:29
  much about him, therefore he probably doesn't exist either.
• 29:32
  So we're kind of going the other way around.
• 29:33
  We're going, I need to figure out that he has exist, he does
• 29:36
  exist and don't understand what he's like, which is also fine.
• 29:39
  But I think that's also because we're not spending enough time
• 29:42
  with with the narration. Honestly I feel like I spammed
• 29:44
  this but genuinely Karam kumnor like genuinely like it's as you
• 29:50
  said if if we are not reading the Quran and not immediately
• 29:54
  thinking what did the imam say about this?
• 29:56
  There's a severe lack in our understanding of the religion as
• 29:59
  a whole like when we look at the Quran.
• 30:01
  This was a discussion I was following recently.
• 30:04
  Very interesting discussion about the ayat of the Quran,
• 30:08
  whether they are mokam or muta shabe.
• 30:11
  There's ayat in the Quran that will describe the entire Quran
• 30:15
  as mutashabe, Kitaben mutashabe. OK, can a whole book that is
• 30:21
  ambiguous in its in its meanings.
• 30:23
  And then there are ayat which mentioned kitaben.
• 30:26
  Oh, kemat ayatu from my first relat, right.
• 30:30
  The idea that there is a the book, the Quran that has been
• 30:33
  made entirely clear. So you're sitting there
• 30:36
  thinking, wait a minute. Which is it?
• 30:38
  Which is it? Yeah.
• 30:39
  You've got the ayat that are saying that it's completely
• 30:41
  unclear, and you've got the ayat that are saying that it's
• 30:44
  completely clear. So surely there's a context to
• 30:47
  both of those ayat that explains it, right?
• 30:50
  And you see that in the ayat in Sora to Al Imran where Allah
• 30:54
  says that, that The Who are Lady Angela Khattab minhu ayat and
• 31:04
  Mokkamat. And now that tells you is saying
• 31:15
  we've sent down the book in it there are mokam ayat, clear
• 31:18
  ayat, and there are ambiguous ayat, yes.
• 31:21
  As for those who have disease in their hearts, they're going to
• 31:23
  follow those which are muta shabe seeking its
• 31:26
  interpretation, but none know its interpretation except for
• 31:29
  Allah And those who have been ordained with knowledge who we
• 31:34
  see in the hadith and we know from common sense to be honest
• 31:37
  are the albeit are in slam. So therefore you can see the
• 31:42
  context there. There shows you that if you do
• 31:45
  not return to the albeit or ask one of them for the tawin for
• 31:48
  you, that whole kitab is not a Shabbat.
• 31:50
  Shabbat. Yeah.
• 31:51
  You you don't have you. You don't know what's going on.
• 31:54
  It's not ambiguous. You're going to be coming up
• 31:56
  with all sorts of just a few interpretations.
• 31:59
  I know. And there's a danger there,
• 32:01
  right? It's a Sharan danger.
• 32:03
  Yeah, the imam said manifesto Quran birahi he forgot kafa.
• 32:08
  Yeah, it's. Crazy.
• 32:09
  Whoever does stuff seal of the Quran with his own opinion, he's
• 32:12
  disbelieved, right? So there's a there's a big
• 32:15
  danger there. Like if we're not thinking, what
• 32:18
  did the Imam say about these ayats?
• 32:20
  There's there's a very, very amazing discussion that Sheikh
• 32:22
  Mansouralli, he mentioned in one of his lectures last year in
• 32:25
  Shahramadhan in Kenya, Nairobi. I think I was like, Oh my God
• 32:31
  when he said this. Yeah.
• 32:31
  And we'll return to the conversation with Imam, but I
• 32:34
  think it's important one for us to digress a little here.
• 32:36
  He said in this verse, he said open up your Quran.
• 32:41
  Go to that page I said check in your must have in the page when
• 32:46
  it gets to what rasikhone filler in just before it you'll see the
• 32:52
  signal to stop in your Quran. It's like, why?
• 32:57
  Because people are trying can decide who to say the insight?
• 33:03
  What's the the insight? Of the yes and they say that the
• 33:07
  wow is exactly rather than wow. So basically.
• 33:12
  In the types of wow. There's different.
• 33:15
  Types of wow. So what they say is that and
• 33:18
  they want you to stop, stop. So they say only Allah knows
• 33:21
  it's a wheel. And then they say that the world
• 33:24
  was just enough. He starts a new.
• 33:26
  Sentence and then he pulls out a hadith.
• 33:31
  He pulls out a hadith and I think it was a Mama Sadiq.
• 33:34
  I could be pulls out hadith where it's like we like we're
• 33:37
  commanding you continue. Did you finish with what Ross
• 33:40
  Cornerfield they are part of those who give you this chat
• 33:43
  week Marshall yet the scriptures and again we can put the verse
• 33:46
  probably somewhere on in the description or whatever.
• 33:48
  Let people go and check that that sign is sending you to
• 33:51
  stop, but the Imam is sending you to go.
• 33:54
  Keep going. Why?
• 33:56
  Because. And you know, what's interesting
• 33:58
  I think is that with regards to the Rasconafil endpoint, people
• 34:02
  think that the Shi I believe that the Rasconafil end or the
• 34:06
  wow, the Shi I believe is wawel up and it continues to
• 34:09
  Rasconafil end. And the Sunnis believe that it
• 34:10
  stops. But even if you go back to
• 34:12
  classical Tafasir in the in the in the Sunni paradigm, there are
• 34:17
  companions like Ibn Abbas and other like scholars that come
• 34:22
  after him in the Sunni paradigm that are claiming to be
• 34:25
  Rasconofil Ellis. So that shows that that opinion
• 34:28
  as well linguistically is a viable.
• 34:31
  Opinion. It means that means that they
• 34:32
  wouldn't believe that. They're claiming.
• 34:34
  Right, they're claiming that we're the Rasconofil ilm who who
• 34:36
  know the Tasirafa. Kora, which tells you what they
• 34:38
  would have been believed about that.
• 34:40
  Wow. Exactly.
• 34:41
  So it started off them trying to take the the the statement away
• 34:45
  from the two days. Yeah.
• 34:46
  And now they want to just cut off the.
• 34:49
  There's nothing new there, right?
• 34:50
  Yeah, exactly. Alright, I'm gonna, I'm going to
• 34:52
  progress this with because we've, we've got a big I'm I'm
• 34:56
  I'm interested in this and I think it addresses some critical
• 34:59
  points about the, as the beta and the holy Quran.
• 35:02
  And of course that that hadith you mentioned Imam Hassan and
• 35:06
  Miramat Manin, and then of course, the Holy Prophet
• 35:08
  Muhammad and the Miramat Manin Aliyah Salah Salam, that those,
• 35:12
  those hadiths parallel so well with these verses.
• 35:16
  I think when we're talking about the weighted Imam and we're
• 35:20
  seeing that these things all start to make sense.
• 35:24
  If we're like detectives and then we're looking at all these
• 35:26
  pieces of a mystery and you know, and also murder mystery.
• 35:29
  But it's kind of like in that sense, it's, it's a, it's a game
• 35:32
  to the sense, you know, for us, right, we're, we're trying to
• 35:34
  decode this, deconstruct this holy book, these, these holy
• 35:39
  narrations and, and trying to make sense of it.
• 35:42
  We've got all of these pieces of evidence.
• 35:44
  Now what do we do with it, especially in the world, like
• 35:46
  you said, there's a lot of them. The Shabbat about kind of the,
• 35:50
  the birth of the imam or the the role of the imam.
• 35:54
  What are in your minds? Unless you've got something else
• 35:56
  you wanted to say, like another narration.
• 35:58
  No, no, I think, I think we can. We can.
• 35:59
  We want to. What are in your minds perhaps
• 36:01
  some of the most striking evidences for those of us who
• 36:06
  may struggle with conviction about the Imam Ajala Alafaj
• 36:10
  Sharif, about his existence, his birth, the likelihood that he
• 36:14
  does exist? I know for example, we've spoken
• 36:17
  in the past and we've done a lot of content in Hamdallah after
• 36:20
  Maghrib, our our event a couple of weeks ago, Hamdallah in his
• 36:23
  honour and much more where we talked about there being doubts,
• 36:29
  not so much as to the fact that Imam and Methi was born, but
• 36:34
  more so who was it that was born, his name, the details and
• 36:38
  so on and so forth. But have you got anything which
• 36:40
  you can help to enlighten us with just?
• 36:42
  Before that, I'm so sorry to to interject, but also if you could
• 36:47
  speak about first of all, why are there even doubts?
• 36:50
  What, what, what is the origin confusion?
• 36:53
  Or why is there a higher as to like like if we are to describe
• 36:58
  it like that, why is there a confusion in the 1st place?
• 37:01
  Sure. Why is there a confusion in the
• 37:04
  1st place? I guess on the one hand that the
• 37:06
  narrations tell us it's going to be there, so it's going to be
• 37:08
  there. So we can't do anything about
• 37:09
  it. In some respects, it's a
• 37:10
  guarantee that's going to happen and we're going to be filtered
• 37:12
  and filtered and filtered and we'll see who's who's remaining.
• 37:15
  But I guess if we were to like look at society right now and
• 37:18
  what's going on at least within our share communities, right?
• 37:20
  And I'd say this is true. And I wouldn't say in all ethnic
• 37:24
  share communities. I'd say there's a small number
• 37:26
  of them that are suffering from this at the moment more than
• 37:28
  others. I don't want to say who and then
• 37:30
  get into all that kind of stuff. To be honest.
• 37:35
  I think there has been a lack of #1 feel deeper theological
• 37:41
  recognition of the importance of Imama in the pursuit of a
• 37:47
  slightly more woke version of Tawheed where people have
• 37:53
  unfortunately pinned the interests in the existence of
• 37:59
  the Imams as Hulu and dressed that up as this is modern
• 38:05
  Daeshianism. So if you believe in the Imam,
• 38:07
  if you believe in Imam Ali Ali Salaam is of such a level of
• 38:10
  understanding. Ross Horneville Hainman amongst
• 38:12
  them. Oh, come on, man, you've gone a
• 38:14
  bit too far here. It's so I mean almost saying it
• 38:18
  makes me feel lame. How how can they even arrive at
• 38:22
  these conclusions. But unfortunately, I guess in in
• 38:24
  the realm where someone doesn't understand the connection
• 38:28
  between the vice gerund of God upon this earth.
• 38:32
  If someone comes up to you, and I think this is true of a lot of
• 38:35
  youngsters and even adults, actually, someone comes to you
• 38:37
  and says Islam is a monotheistic religion.
• 38:40
  It's all about Torhid. It's all about Allah.
• 38:42
  Yeah, look at you asking for help from, you know, it's it's
• 38:46
  such a nice, nicely spiritualized argument That
• 38:49
  sounds very pretty, Sounds very pretty.
• 38:52
  But then when you see the eyes of you know, the Prophet needs
• 38:55
  to do forgiveness for you. It's like, well, hold on then
• 38:57
  that's that's messed up a bit there where you say key him.
• 39:00
  OK, he's purifying like you have so many other eyes.
• 39:02
  And then I actually know Allah has given certain authority to
• 39:06
  these individuals in order to carry out things on God's
• 39:09
  behalf, like you and I can do. If we are given a realm of
• 39:13
  ability, you can ask someone, please do that on behalf of me.
• 39:16
  I've commanded you to do it. I'm the one that's doing it.
• 39:18
  But I've just delegated it to someone, right?
• 39:21
  So I think it's maybe come from a place of, ah, Islam, tahid,
• 39:25
  tick. Tahid equals no partner with God
• 39:28
  tick, no doubt. So that doesn't mean Allah can't
• 39:31
  delegate responsibilities to people.
• 39:32
  That doesn't mean he doesn't involve certain Hodge Hodge of
• 39:35
  him on earth. Had he wanted to, had God wanted
• 39:38
  to, and I remember one of our teachers said this, had God
• 39:41
  wanted to reveal this Dean to his mankind, he could have done
• 39:46
  so. Had he wanted to do so without
• 39:48
  the use of intermediaries, why not?
• 39:50
  He can do whatever he wants. So what is the wisdom behind
• 39:54
  saying in this earth, I'm going to place within it a Khalifa
• 39:59
  right away from Adam. What was the wisdom behind that?
• 40:02
  There must be something right? There must be a reason why
• 40:06
  124,000 of them come across. He's like, I'm going to use you
• 40:10
  guys as a way to project this message.
• 40:12
  Now there could be many, many reasons for it.
• 40:14
  One of them is that we can then say, OK, you did give us a
• 40:17
  fellow human that we can relate to to a degree and that's a way
• 40:21
  for us to get there. But as soon as these guys have
• 40:24
  pitched this idea of God to heed.
• 40:27
  Don't go to anyone else because otherwise that's anti tahrid.
• 40:29
  And the average Joe doesn't understand the connection
• 40:31
  between the herjudge of Allah, the herjudge and Allah.
• 40:34
  Then they're like, Oh yeah, that's tahrid.
• 40:38
  That's how it works. And your scripture tells you
• 40:40
  that. So I think that's maybe where
• 40:41
  it's and I think it's a very like sincere intellectual
• 40:45
  pursuit of someone young who's like, yeah, well, I do just want
• 40:47
  to go to God. I do just want to go to, it's no
• 40:49
  problem. Go to God.
• 40:50
  But he's commanded you to suit certain things like obey him and
• 40:53
  the Prophet and those in authority are from amongst you.
• 40:55
  So clarify your torrid a bit. So I think that may be where
• 40:58
  some of the concern has come from perhaps.
• 41:01
  It's interesting there's a there's a rewire in Kamaluddin
• 41:06
  by Shaq Sadour. He mentions A hadith where he's
• 41:10
  speaking about Mam sahab Zaman and is speaking about why he was
• 41:14
  named and there's multiple rawayat that mention he's meant
• 41:19
  he was called it because of this and he was called it because of
• 41:22
  that. But this one really like it sent
• 41:24
  shivers down my spine. And I spoke about it on on Jamaa
• 41:27
  Knights as well. The Imam says in it, he says in
• 41:33
  the Masumi al Khatim that he was called Khatim because he will
• 41:42
  rise after the death of his remembrance.
• 41:46
  And then the next line is more scary.
• 41:48
  It says what irritated Akhter al Qaeda bit Imamati that most of
• 41:54
  the people that believe in his Imama will apostasize from the
• 41:57
  religion. You'll be like, what does that
• 41:59
  even mean? Somebody that believes in the
• 42:01
  Imam or al Qaeda bit Imamati, someone who's calling him the
• 42:05
  Imam has done irritated from the religious crazy.
• 42:09
  Now you're you're you're trying to understand.
• 42:10
  OK, what does that irritated mean?
• 42:13
  What does it mean for his remembrance to die?
• 42:16
  Right. And it's as you were kind of
• 42:18
  mentioning earlier as well that you were saying like with
• 42:21
  regards to our events and if we were to truly fuel the presence
• 42:25
  of the Imam, it. Would be central.
• 42:28
  How different? Everything.
• 42:30
  How different would our life? Be which which I I would I'd
• 42:34
  chime in here to say and it very much is within the hoser.
• 42:39
  When you spend time with the senior element of the hoser,
• 42:42
  they don't stop talking about the Mr. it's the central theme
• 42:46
  of everything right That is they begin with it they end with it.
• 42:51
  But in the English speaking world it.
• 42:52
  Hasn't trickled down. It's not there not not to that
• 42:55
  extent, not to that extent. And I was saying some of the
• 42:58
  brothers were asking me, they were like how can we figure out
• 43:00
  where can we get our trusted guidance from?
• 43:02
  I said, look, if you see a pattern amongst the senior,
• 43:05
  trusted, widely trusted, we're not talking about right wing,
• 43:08
  left wing, broad, like 99% of Shia Alema, you'll see common
• 43:14
  themes between them. You'll see they're very humble.
• 43:16
  You'll see they're very softly spoken.
• 43:18
  You'll see they're extremely well read.
• 43:20
  You'll see their grasp of Arabic is immensely strong.
• 43:22
  You'll see them weeping with ease about say the shahada and
• 43:26
  you'll see them constantly referring to the Imam of their
• 43:28
  time. Yet if you now take some and
• 43:31
  there's many more things, if you take that barometer and place it
• 43:34
  in front of people that you are listening to today, you're like,
• 43:37
  you know what? It's not about what he said.
• 43:39
  It's about what he didn't say. He didn't talk about the imam
• 43:42
  for the last 10 different discussions he's had.
• 43:44
  He didn't I mentioned about the last 30 discussion.
• 43:47
  In fact, when he refers to him, he refers to him as a movement,
• 43:49
  not as a person. He's very subtle though, right?
• 43:53
  It's very subtle, but you pick up on these little clues.
• 43:56
  Once you know what the established belief system is,
• 43:59
  you start to compare that as the litmus test.
• 44:01
  You're like, something's missing here.
• 44:03
  It'd be like, for example, if someone was like, you know, they
• 44:06
  come onto your onto the podcast and they're like Mashallah, you
• 44:09
  know, the the eloquent Caliph Ali was a very wonderful guy
• 44:13
  because you guys have strong Iman that he is an Imam.
• 44:17
  He'd be like, why is this guy saying like Caliph Hazarat Ali,
• 44:22
  OK, maybe there's culture there, but he keeps talking about why
• 44:24
  did you never say Ali Salaam, you know, Ravi Allahuan, you
• 44:26
  know, hold on, hold on, hold on. The clues are there because
• 44:28
  there's a certain norm. There is a certain norm about
• 44:31
  the way that their alima speak when it comes to their general
• 44:33
  muha. There are their general lectures
• 44:35
  and you'll always see the imam being mentioned.
• 44:37
  I remember one of my teachers said something that blew my mind
• 44:40
  when we started, I started sessions with him, very senior
• 44:43
  alim. And he said in one of the latter
• 44:46
  books of us all that Hausa student will study.
• 44:49
  A very senior Hausa student will study one of the authors, I
• 44:52
  think Chef Alan Sareba. I could be wrong, but he writes
• 44:55
  in the like introduction of his book that along the lines of if
• 45:01
  there was nothing left to drink on the face of the earth except
• 45:04
  wine, wine becomes allowed for you to drink in order to stay
• 45:08
  alive. He was basically saying our
• 45:11
  research as olamar is like wine. It is the very, very, very last
• 45:17
  resort that becomes wajiban you to follow.
• 45:21
  But as soon as the Imam comes, forget all of what we've done.
• 45:25
  There's no point because now you've got now we go back
• 45:27
  straight to the source that puts into perspective.
• 45:31
  These guys are like I've given 7080 years, but if the Imam was
• 45:36
  to now appear before my eyes and I was to recognise him, all my
• 45:40
  books put them to one side. What do you have to say?
• 45:45
  Because they have that mark of him, because they've pieced
• 45:48
  everything together, right the way from the proof of Fuckalane
• 45:51
  to illustrate that, right the whole way through.
• 45:53
  There must be a continuation. Tenezil and Malaika, it's still
• 45:57
  happening. OK, Who's it happening to today?
• 45:59
  And look at all these narrations and look at the biography,
• 46:01
  biographical analysis and so on and so on and so on.
• 46:03
  And they're like, it is almost bizarre for an individual to not
• 46:08
  arrive at this conclusion. And maybe we can now like start
• 46:10
  going into it to look at these. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 46:12
  Like we see in the in the reports as well that those who
• 46:17
  are the greatest of of all time are those who have been given
• 46:20
  intellects Marafa such that the Imam to them is like they are
• 46:25
  witnessing him that he's not in labour.
• 46:27
  So we see there first of all, there's intellectual arguments,
• 46:30
  right? There's all right, there's
• 46:31
  intellectual kind of understandings about the
• 46:34
  existence of the Imam that make you feel like or or not they
• 46:39
  make you feel like you, you are in the presence of the Imam.
• 46:45
  And I think that's a great place to start when we're talking
• 46:48
  about intellectually, just proving that with conviction
• 46:51
  that the Imam is present. Like how would we go about that?
• 46:54
  We go about. Fine, so we're going to refer to
• 46:56
  save money here because as we know for all of us, this is well
• 46:59
  out of our depth. So we just follow what the
• 47:00
  senior Alima have said. For those who don't know, I
• 47:03
  think obviously you guys had him on the podcast and I shall laugh
• 47:05
  and making that happen. Save Munir is one of the I told
• 47:09
  I said Munir Abbas is one of the most senior Alima in today's
• 47:12
  age, we'd say based out of Najaf at the moment.
• 47:15
  Previously informed originally from Saudi, a direct student of
• 47:19
  the likes of ISIS, Sistani himself, Itella Wahid himself
• 47:23
  and others. It's breezy as well.
• 47:25
  I think he was taken and many others and he's recognized to be
• 47:27
  one of the most senior around. So he has a series of discourses
• 47:30
  on our awaited saviour, which have been compiled into a book
• 47:34
  called the Mehdi Understanding the awaited.
• 47:36
  All of the books that transformed my view, at least in
• 47:39
  my relationship with the Imam and forever indebted to the
• 47:41
  respected say it. So in one of his chapters, it's
• 47:44
  called a necessary reality and he goes into proving the
• 47:48
  existence of the Imam. OK, initially he starts at the
• 47:52
  point of the proof of Thakalain is like that's more than
• 47:56
  sufficient. Actually that covers you.
• 47:59
  He looks at also a Lavina yachtman or Nabil Rabe in
• 48:01
  Solitude Bukhara and there are wires associated with that to
• 48:04
  say that the Rabe is the Imam and the mutarin that I mentioned
• 48:08
  are the followers of Imran Oman. Again, that should suffice.
• 48:10
  And actually the rational proof of Imarma should also suffice
• 48:13
  because if you believe that Imran Oman is if you believe
• 48:16
  that there is a concept of the Imam and Imran is the Imam and
• 48:20
  therefore the trickle down effect thereafter, that should
• 48:22
  actually suffice you more than enough that there is a 12th Imam
• 48:25
  and games done right. However he goes, let's now
• 48:28
  investigate into the Imam himself to put all this to to
• 48:31
  all this to bed. Now we need to understand the
• 48:33
  method that he uses. And I'm going to read this out
• 48:37
  so that people don't think this is just sadly going on a rant or
• 48:40
  anything, right? I just really want to read this
• 48:41
  out. This is my notes from his his
• 48:43
  books. I can't say these are quotes,
• 48:44
  but I'm pretty sure they were quotes.
• 48:46
  He basically says, how are we going to do this?
• 48:49
  Are we just going to check for Sahih narrations only, which
• 48:51
  again has become the new cool thing, right?
• 48:54
  So he narrations very important, we're not disputing that.
• 48:57
  But is that the only technique one can use in this science in
• 49:01
  order to investigate? He says, He says it's a
• 49:05
  fruitless way to analyse history and it is not a scientific
• 49:09
  approach either. There's a big statement coming
• 49:12
  from such a big scholar, right? Who is you know, Ishtihad?
• 49:16
  Times are many, many faults. Right.
• 49:18
  So it's not the first time he's mentioned that even even with
• 49:21
  regards to some of his reviews on on on other scholarly works
• 49:25
  that have written about history using only Sahih narrations,
• 49:29
  he's mentioned that multiple. Times like.
• 49:31
  This is not the scientific. Part So he said if we took this
• 49:34
  approach, we wouldn't even be able to approve anything much
• 49:36
  regarding the Holy Prophet Salallahu Alayhi 1 So he's like,
• 49:40
  what can we do then? So he brings along the approach
• 49:43
  of say, the Sistani and Shaheed Mohammed Barkhra, Saddam and
• 49:47
  Allah grant him a greater, greater status in the heavens
• 49:50
  and the shallah say to Stani along the life bit.
• 49:52
  And they learn all of our trust in Maraja.
• 49:54
  So they use the approach of mathematical probability,
• 49:56
  cumulative probabilities, where they say, if I was to bring you
• 50:00
  one piece of evidence, you may say, OK, there's a good chance,
• 50:05
  let's say 20% chance of this being true.
• 50:08
  If I was to bring another piece of evidence, OK, maybe 20 + 20,
• 50:12
  I'm about 40% sure. And if I bring enough pieces to
• 50:15
  the detective table, as you said, the inverse of a murder
• 50:18
  scene, you know, the proving of something, right?
• 50:20
  But it is, it is kind of that right, Trying to look at the
• 50:22
  CCTV footage and check everything out.
• 50:25
  At some point you get to the point where not to make this a
• 50:28
  bit weird, but you know the whole Epstein thing with
• 50:30
  Madeleine McCann and you know, they're looking at the pictures
• 50:32
  of the woman that was with her and they're like, oh, is that
• 50:35
  the one then you look at? OK, well, she was involved with
• 50:38
  Epstein and and it starts to people will say it starts to add
• 50:40
  up. That is this kind of method of
• 50:42
  being a detective and putting all the evidences together.
• 50:46
  So again, it's important to mention this is a method that
• 50:48
  said Sistani himself advocates for.
• 50:51
  And therefore you arrive at the point where you have the more
• 50:54
  evidence you get to a point of probability where you reach to
• 50:57
  your own conviction, a level of certain certainty and
• 51:00
  conviction. Now what is required for Ahmed
• 51:03
  to get to that point of certainty will be different to
• 51:04
  Muhammed. It's not necessarily you may be
• 51:07
  convinced after two, right? I'll give an example.
• 51:09
  If someone comes in randomly to the studio now and says, ah,
• 51:12
  Marshall Allah, your friend Hassan has just had a son.
• 51:15
  None of us know him. He's a complete unknown.
• 51:17
  He's mature rule to us. We'd be like, OK, I mean, the
• 51:21
  fact that he knows that we have a friend called Hassan sending
• 51:23
  us as a kid, high probability. But maybe because he's much
• 51:26
  whole to us, he's unknown. We don't know, right?
• 51:29
  It's a great way to explain why even narrations that have
• 51:31
  someone who's much whole don't necessarily make them
• 51:33
  unreliable. Because this guy knows someone
• 51:35
  called Hassan, that he's a friend of ours and we know that
• 51:37
  his wife was pregnant and he's just had a kid, that the content
• 51:41
  actually is more important than the guy who's come to tell us,
• 51:43
  right? But let's say now another guy
• 51:45
  comes in and he's like, guys, Mobrook, your friend Hassan,
• 51:48
  he's just had a kid. You're like, OK, too much.
• 51:51
  Whole people have now come in and they've said he's had a kid.
• 51:55
  Pretty likely, right? But maybe Ahmad, like now, bro,
• 51:57
  I'm skeptical. I'm not sure.
• 51:59
  I'm not. I'm not feeling like me.
• 52:01
  So I'm tired today, you know, I'm not having it.
• 52:04
  Third guy comes in, OK, maybe you know him and maybe he's not
• 52:07
  a trusted guy, though maybe he's actually is completely wrong.
• 52:09
  But at least you know him. And he says, oh, this guy who
• 52:12
  has said he's had a kid. So too much hole.
• 52:14
  One body, but one that. If and I was like, I've reached
• 52:17
  conviction, this is a great way to illustrate how one can arrive
• 52:21
  at conviction even without having someone that you know is
• 52:23
  Muttahi and firm belief and trusted of good memory, right?
• 52:27
  So I think for our viewers, it's important for them to understand
• 52:30
  why this method is more than accepted because apparently we
• 52:33
  don't trust Seizistani enough. So we have to, you know, explain
• 52:35
  what his method as well. OK, so seizist same one of them
• 52:39
  brings many different pieces of evidence.
• 52:42
  The first evidence that he comes with is very, very obvious when
• 52:45
  Lukulukhomenhart for every generation there is a guide or a
• 52:50
  leader and similar to the verse that you mentioned, Ahmed, that
• 52:54
  you'll be raised by Imam Mahim with their leader.
• 52:57
  So even from a starting point Yeoman had or kulna or nazim
• 53:00
  Imamahim and even from a starting point again, this is
• 53:03
  one piece of evidence that is now brought to the table.
• 53:06
  Now Thakalain when added to that, that I'm going to leave
• 53:09
  you 280 things and one of them is from one of them is the
• 53:12
  elevator Ali Musam. Even in Ehlusunna books within
• 53:15
  musnard is there and word for word is I leave amongst you 280
• 53:20
  things, one of which is greater than the other, the Book of God,
• 53:22
  which is a book extending between the heavens and the
• 53:23
  earth and my house on the progeny.
• 53:25
  The two will never separate until they reach me at the pond
• 53:28
  of Paradise. Therefore, for so long as first
• 53:31
  piece of evidence to bring to the table, we're putting all the
• 53:33
  previous ones aside. First piece of evidence, for so
• 53:36
  long as the Quran exists, does it exist?
• 53:38
  Yes, there must be a partner with it.
• 53:41
  That is from Ehlebate Alim Salam, correct?
• 53:44
  We would now say in our detective mode, we've got no
• 53:47
  names on the table yet. We've got to ask the question in
• 53:50
  our first clue of the day. Who could that be?
• 53:53
  Yeah. Obviously the Shia sat over
• 53:56
  there will go. I've got a name, Imam Mehdi.
• 53:58
  Thank you. We put it on our table.
• 53:59
  But we're objective, non bias detectives.
• 54:03
  So OK, we've got one name, Muhammad al Mehdi from the
• 54:07
  lineage of Hussein, from the lineage of Said Zahra and Rasul
• 54:11
  Allah Alayhim after Rasilati or Sara, Fine.
• 54:14
  Any other names? What you got?
• 54:17
  What you got? Yeah, you know, Mahali's
• 54:20
  grandson. OK, bring what you want.
• 54:23
  You know, who have you got? Actually, even at this point,
• 54:26
  there's a big stumbling block. How many more names can you put
• 54:30
  forward? Even based on this singular
• 54:32
  point? That doesn't necessarily mean
• 54:35
  that that is enough to say it is the imam, but it is enough to
• 54:38
  say there are no other names in the hat.
• 54:41
  Even if you put another name in the hat.
• 54:42
  Let's see if they survive the test of time from the rest of
• 54:45
  them. OK?
• 54:46
  The rest of them would then for example, have there's a lot more
• 54:49
  discussion here. I don't want to go into it too
• 54:51
  much, but let's let's see what the next one says.
• 54:54
  We now have that first piece of evidence.
• 54:55
  There must be an Imam whilst the Quran is there or a leader
• 54:58
  whilst Karan say fight Imam Mehdi.
• 55:01
  Second condition or the condition.
• 55:02
  We can now check against this. Now we go to a narration from
• 55:06
  Sahi Muslim. I always find it weird calling
• 55:08
  it Sahi Muslim. Anyway, let's run with it.
• 55:11
  The religion will continue to be established until determined our
• 55:15
  IE judgement Day or you are led by 12 successors, all of whom
• 55:22
  that's already condition one. No one else put a name in the
• 55:25
  bag, just in Marmetti. Let's say there's a guy called
• 55:27
  Jawad who's in the hat as well. OK, Jawad, random guy, but
• 55:31
  people think he's a very good leader, like the woolly hat guys
• 55:34
  or whatever. Are they still around by the
• 55:35
  way, Woolly hat guys, they're still going.
• 55:37
  They're still about they're still about still arms to them.
• 55:40
  You know I'm. Really interested in for another
• 55:43
  to be careful what we're saying. Like so I don't know the story.
• 55:49
  Off camera, off camera, off camera, off camera.
• 55:51
  Salaam to them. Yeah, no, not even that, but
• 55:54
  even. There anyway, so let's say we've
• 55:57
  got Imal Mehndi and Jawad. There's two names in the hat.
• 56:00
  The next condition that comes is number one.
• 56:02
  You're led by 12 successors. Is Jawad coming from 12
• 56:05
  successors? Highly chance no.
• 56:07
  What does 12 successes mean? Leave it to your imagination,
• 56:09
  come up with whatever you want, but the only person at the
• 56:12
  moment that's looking like someone is connection to
• 56:14
  something off 12 who are successors.
• 56:17
  This mammal Mehdi still gets another big team, but there's
• 56:19
  another clue in this same narration.
• 56:20
  Again, this is from Sahi Muslim and now narrations.
• 56:22
  It's too easy. So we're doing it from the other
• 56:23
  side, all of whom are from Quraish.
• 56:26
  Quraish Jawad, Where'd you come from?
• 56:29
  Right mammal Mehdi Quraish sure loving this, He's enjoying it.
• 56:35
  So it's very clear. It's very clear.
• 56:37
  And same actually provides says Ibn Ibn Kaffir, one of the Sunni
• 56:40
  Maliki scholars in his Tifsilon. It says apparently this includes
• 56:43
  the Mahdi who was promised in the narrations that mention him
• 56:46
  and tell us that his name is the same as the Holy Prophets.
• 56:49
  So. Now you narrow it down to name.
• 56:51
  That's. Wrong.
• 56:52
  But you've got, you've got to ask the rational guy who has
• 56:54
  just said one random guy came in and said your friend has just
• 56:57
  had a kid. Mobrook has some context.
• 57:00
  This guy's come in and said, by the way, that Imam that you guys
• 57:02
  need to be looking up to, he's from Quraish within 12
• 57:05
  successes, basically the whole vibe.
• 57:07
  Who have you got? Literally the only name we've
• 57:11
  got is Mohammed Mehdi. Now Mohammed, he's like, I'm
• 57:14
  already 100% it's done. Ahmed's still 20%.
• 57:17
  Still not sure. So OK, we'll keep going.
• 57:19
  But actually that's more, more than sufficient at this point.
• 57:22
  OK, third one, this is a very interesting one.
• 57:24
  I if I was to critique this, not that I mean in my place, but as
• 57:27
  in out of preference as to which arguments I prefer.
• 57:29
  This one was a bit like this is a bit of a weird one, but I'll
• 57:32
  share it anyway. Seminar says in the Old and New
• 57:34
  Testaments. This is the third piece of
• 57:36
  evidence in the Old and New Testament even before Islam, of
• 57:39
  course, in the book of Isaiah and in the Book of Revelation in
• 57:42
  the Gospel of John, there is a name known as Pyric Lytos, which
• 57:47
  translates to the praised one. What is the translation of the
• 57:50
  name Muhammad? So who is this guy?
• 57:55
  So again, random Christian now comes in says we've got someone
• 57:58
  called Parekh Leitos. I think I've definitely
• 58:00
  mispronounced them. Anyway, means the praise 1.
• 58:03
  Who've you got? Does Jawad stand the test of
• 58:05
  time or have you got another candidate that it adds another
• 58:08
  level of probability. He then says a guy called Al
• 58:11
  Qadi Assembity, a convert from Christianity and a Hanafi Muslim
• 58:13
  says this description does not apply to any theory except for
• 58:17
  that of the Imamiyah in regards to the existence of Muhammad Ibn
• 58:21
  Al Hassan as the 12th Imam. If that's not brought someone
• 58:26
  yet to certainty, I start to wonder what will.
• 58:30
  But no worries, save money keeps going and I think he'd by his
• 58:33
  own admission say this isn't all of them, this is just a small
• 58:36
  package of them. The next one he then says is
• 58:39
  that he goes OK, let's now go back to the 3rd century, IE at
• 58:41
  the time of labour. Tasola, what's going on?
• 58:44
  Of course we have the four ambassadors of the Imam, the
• 58:47
  father and son, and then two people disconnected from the
• 58:49
  father and son and disconnected from each of them, he says.
• 58:53
  No notable scholars of all Muslim denominations at the time
• 58:59
  denied his birth or his labour. Say that again.
• 59:03
  No notable scholars at the of all Muslim denominations at the
• 59:08
  time of Labour's Surah denied the imam's birth.
• 59:13
  Technical question, Go on. What about Ash Al Mahani?
• 59:16
  Or did he deny? No.
• 59:17
  Ash Al Mahani claimed to be. He didn't deny the birth, he
• 59:23
  just misrepresented himself. Tried to be Joab basically and
• 59:27
  then the other evidence hatted him out.
• 59:29
  Now this is a very interesting point and one of the other Alima
• 59:32
  mentions this. They said if there was ever a
• 59:34
  time to call out someone's sudden fake existence or fake
• 59:39
  birth, prime time would be at the time it happens.
• 59:44
  It wouldn't be a century later. Even ten years later, you're 10
• 59:49
  years too late to the. Fact you do there and then of
• 59:51
  course. Makes complete sense.
• 59:53
  Yet we have the four ambassadors saying yeah we're back and forth
• 59:55
  in letters. No one's saying you're not.
• 59:58
  No one's saying you're making it up.
• 1:00:00
  No one reputable is saying that anyway.
• 1:00:02
  He's saying even if you look at Shekhar Khalani, Shekhar Sadour
• 1:00:07
  Ibn haul away etcetera, they all report their own sightings and
• 1:00:10
  dreams and interactions with Imam Ali Salah.
• 1:00:13
  Very true. No one's saying that they're
• 1:00:15
  lying. So where did it all come from?
• 1:00:18
  Where did that whole argument of these guys must have been lying
• 1:00:21
  come in? Not at the time.
• 1:00:23
  It comes later. Why did it come later?
• 1:00:25
  He's to figure out how we're going to mess up and add some
• 1:00:29
  deception to this. Maha, your style basically,
• 1:00:32
  right? Who am I going to pay to
• 1:00:33
  fabricate stuff and mess things around for people?
• 1:00:36
  So he said there was so the same when he was saying there's so
• 1:00:39
  many of these sightings and reportings such that it reaches
• 1:00:42
  the level of Tawata off too many are happening.
• 1:00:45
  Therefore it must be true because they're all isolated
• 1:00:48
  reports where these guys don't even have relationships with
• 1:00:50
  each other except the father and son.
• 1:00:52
  And he goes into a proof as to how this could be the case of
• 1:00:55
  how could they go and replicate the exact same handwriting over
• 1:00:59
  a span of 69 years when they were all distinctly different
• 1:01:02
  from each other except the father and son.
• 1:01:03
  But that's not to say that they could have colluded with the
• 1:01:06
  other two ambassadors. He's like, is this not enough
• 1:01:08
  now at the 3rd century time? What's also interesting is in
• 1:01:12
  the topic arts, like the way that the Imam writes is you can,
• 1:01:17
  you can sense the you can sense the Quranic meanings within them
• 1:01:21
  within every single line. Like you can take a topic and
• 1:01:24
  you can go through it line by line and you can find either a
• 1:01:27
  verse or another hadith that shares at least wordings or or
• 1:01:31
  concepts within. It's like the Imam showing you,
• 1:01:34
  he's saying, I'm saying exactly the same as what my forefathers
• 1:01:36
  said. Here you go analyse it.
• 1:01:38
  Even if you if you have issue, analyse it.
• 1:01:42
  I remember one of our teachers said, I think it was Imran
• 1:01:44
  actually could be a mistake. And so I don't want to misquote
• 1:01:46
  it. But you were saying, again, when
• 1:01:48
  you spend time with these kind of ulema at the top of their
• 1:01:51
  game, because they've spent so much time within the narrations
• 1:01:55
  and then story time to kind of explain it.
• 1:01:57
  And the the concept is there, but the exact technicalities may
• 1:02:00
  be different. He's saying one of these
• 1:02:03
  students came into it, came into a class and basically said to
• 1:02:05
  his teacher, I'm struggling with the narration.
• 1:02:08
  So the teacher said, tell me which narration is this?
• 1:02:11
  He's like, it's from your Masada and he says blah, blah, blah,
• 1:02:13
  blah, blah, blah. And the teacher looks at him and
• 1:02:15
  goes, that's got the fragrance of Mahmud Bakar, IE these guys
• 1:02:20
  know when it's coming from a muscle.
• 1:02:22
  They're that well tuned with it. They're that up to date.
• 1:02:24
  They understand their wording, they understand their approach.
• 1:02:27
  They understand the nuance between the way the different
• 1:02:29
  Imam Ali Muslim would write, right?
• 1:02:32
  You speak to someone who's been studying and translating.
• 1:02:34
  For example, one of the brothers has been one of the senior
• 1:02:36
  scholars has been translating national for the last 21 years
• 1:02:39
  right and he did Charlotte soon to publish in English right.
• 1:02:43
  You were to ask him. I'm going to present you with
• 1:02:45
  something from a mirror on what Menin and something from Ahmed
• 1:02:47
  Calvin and he said because he spent so much time he meant like
• 1:02:50
  immersed in it like this feels more like a mirror on what Menin
• 1:02:54
  because they're used to their wording.
• 1:02:55
  I'm not even saying put if the director.
• 1:02:57
  Says everything's tonality and it's.
• 1:03:00
  Interesting as well that this is actually mentioned in the rewat
• 1:03:03
  about the fuck a Hut. It says Lana udu al fape hum
• 1:03:08
  incom fape Han hatta yul hanafil all that.
• 1:03:11
  We don't consider a fape to be a fape until he understands the
• 1:03:15
  Latin like, which is the style like in the way that they speak
• 1:03:19
  even like this is like it's comparable to like even some of
• 1:03:24
  the old like poets in Jahiliya and even at the time of the
• 1:03:27
  imams, like you could hear their poetry and the people that know
• 1:03:30
  poetry. You know people who say that,
• 1:03:31
  yeah. And even for us, if someone
• 1:03:34
  presents Shakespeare in front of us, yeah, as much as we didn't
• 1:03:37
  understand what's going on with Shakespeare, speak on behalf of
• 1:03:39
  all yeah, immigrant children who couldn't care less about
• 1:03:42
  Shakespeare, we were like. Star Shakespeare, you can.
• 1:03:44
  Tell you could tell, right? And guys were very passionate
• 1:03:47
  about let's drop Noori's name in, you know, this is a Noori
• 1:03:49
  poem. Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Right. You don't even need to question
• 1:03:52
  it. It's a Noori poem, right?
• 1:03:54
  When when you see that at that time they're receiving these
• 1:03:57
  letters and no one's causing a doubt about it.
• 1:03:59
  They're not accusing the Knight of Bean of being fake.
• 1:04:01
  They're not accusing Cheryl Collini of making it up or what
• 1:04:05
  do we want, right? So we add that again, does Jawad
• 1:04:08
  stand that test of time? He's struggling at the moment.
• 1:04:10
  We need to change Jawad because I feel like I'm acting.
• 1:04:12
  Can I, can I, can I ask you, sorry, just to, to kind of
• 1:04:15
  interrupt, but is, is the, and I know we've been going on guys,
• 1:04:18
  sorry. So we're going to try and wrap
• 1:04:20
  up soon and shout Allah. But my question is, is, is a lot
• 1:04:24
  of the doubt about the fact that the Imam is the Imam Muhammad al
• 1:04:29
  Mehdi Ajdallahlad al Afolaja, or is it Jawad?
• 1:04:33
  Or is it actually about whether he was born, if that makes
• 1:04:36
  sense? OK, I know even if he wasn't
• 1:04:39
  born, then a lot of these things don't make sense.
• 1:04:41
  It gets to 11 and not 12, right? Right.
• 1:04:44
  So is is the question then. So as it was what I'm trying to
• 1:04:48
  understand. So what's the alternative?
• 1:04:50
  So for example, if someone's like, I'm not convinced what has
• 1:04:53
  been the alternatives put forward?
• 1:04:55
  I I honestly don't know a credible argument for what's
• 1:04:58
  been put forward instead. Except I'm not saying this is
• 1:05:00
  credible. It's just a viewpoint that I've
• 1:05:02
  heard that some people have kind of flown with, which is it's
• 1:05:05
  very much the Sunni stance. We believe there is someone, he
• 1:05:09
  has the name Mehdi or isn't known as a concept of a Mehdi, a
• 1:05:12
  guide for people, and he's coming soon.
• 1:05:14
  So for example, he is yet to so he will not reappear, he will
• 1:05:20
  appear. Yes, that's that's basically the
• 1:05:22
  only thing that I've heard that is, I guess I don't think it's
• 1:05:25
  credible, but it's it's an opinion.
• 1:05:27
  Have you heard that? I think, I think if we get
• 1:05:29
  through the rest of the evidences, I think even that.
• 1:05:33
  That's that's very much the, that's very much the next one,
• 1:05:35
  yeah. That is, is barely realised.
• 1:05:37
  So. I'll mention these pretty
• 1:05:38
  quickly, I didn't realise the time had gone that quick.
• 1:05:40
  But he then presents another one which is basically that Imam
• 1:05:44
  Khaldam Ali Salaam mentions and prophesises the name of the
• 1:05:47
  names of all of you inmate including himself and after him
• 1:05:50
  I'm not sure the awaited saviour.
• 1:05:52
  Again, if you believe that this is sufficient in its metin and,
• 1:05:58
  or if you need to clarify it's chain, if if that's kind of the
• 1:06:01
  approach you're taking, yeah, go for it and see where you end up.
• 1:06:04
  That'd be another additional evidence.
• 1:06:06
  Like why would a Maqsoum Imam suddenly come up with these
• 1:06:08
  additional names? And again, the name that was
• 1:06:10
  mentioned, the end was not Jawad.
• 1:06:12
  Jawad was ninth. I think that's why I was like,
• 1:06:13
  we need to stop acting Jawad anyway, let's go with it.
• 1:06:16
  But actually this final name does come up in the narration.
• 1:06:19
  It ends up by saying Ali, Muhammad, Al Hassan, Miner Ali
• 1:06:23
  and the Hajja, the son of Al Hassan are my leaders.
• 1:06:25
  I vow, I vow allegiance to them and forswear their enemies.
• 1:06:28
  So it comes up, right. But actually, if we now look at
• 1:06:31
  the birth point and this is where same 1 takes a slightly
• 1:06:33
  different town. And I really like these
• 1:06:34
  arguments he presents. He says if we want to understand
• 1:06:38
  something, we need to go to the specialists of that area.
• 1:06:41
  If we're trying to ascertain the birth and lineage of a group of
• 1:06:44
  people, we need to go, do we need to go to genealogists
• 1:06:47
  because they're the specialists. So what do genealogists have to
• 1:06:49
  say? Because that could actually be
• 1:06:51
  case in point, right, in terms of his birth and existence.
• 1:06:53
  And it's from the right lineage. So he says looking at the family
• 1:06:57
  of the Hashemites, there are at least 17 non 12, the
• 1:07:01
  genealogists that testified to the birth of a child named
• 1:07:04
  Muhammad to Al Hassan Al Askari Ali Hassan.
• 1:07:07
  And he lists them and we won't list them for now.
• 1:07:09
  He then goes to another argument again saying let's go to the
• 1:07:12
  historians view. And he said many historians of
• 1:07:14
  all Muslim denominations have recorded his birth and his
• 1:07:17
  occultation. And again, he mentions all of
• 1:07:19
  them. So I would say if you look at
• 1:07:22
  even those 17 non 12A genealogist that testified to
• 1:07:26
  the birth of the Imam, you could take the cumulative probability
• 1:07:30
  mentality. So I don't know if he's born but
• 1:07:34
  let me go to non 12 or to avoid any bias.
• 1:07:36
  Yeah, multiple experts. Each one of them is.
• 1:07:39
  Another the cool. Guy that's come to tell.
• 1:07:41
  You. Yeah, none of them have anything
• 1:07:42
  to benefit. From it and that and if itself
• 1:07:44
  would suffice as a intellectual. Proof.
• 1:07:47
  That that arrives, that's very interesting.
• 1:07:49
  So at the conclusion of it, it is very clear that any
• 1:07:53
  reasonable and rational individual cannot say #112 is
• 1:07:58
  not something that's distinct. The fact that the from Quraysh
• 1:08:01
  is not distinct, the fact that there must be a continuation
• 1:08:04
  because of Thakalain is not distinct.
• 1:08:05
  The fact that the people at the time in the 3rd century around
• 1:08:09
  the time of labour to Sukara were speaking about him,
• 1:08:12
  receiving letters from him, reported interactions with him
• 1:08:14
  and were not called out for it at that time.
• 1:08:16
  Then you look at the genealogists.
• 1:08:18
  Then you look at the togetherness of the historians.
• 1:08:20
  Then you even look at non Shia scholars.
• 1:08:23
  Basically saying that's a pretty good proof for the Imami of you.
• 1:08:26
  Whether they testify to it or not it's a different matter.
• 1:08:27
  But they're even conceding. How much more proof does this
• 1:08:31
  so-called Shia of Earl Muhammad need to arrive at this, let
• 1:08:36
  alone Tenezil and Malaika? To who?
• 1:08:40
  To who? And you have to, if you say it's
• 1:08:43
  not the Imam, right? If you say it's not the Imam,
• 1:08:47
  then to who is it going down to? Because clearly these are all
• 1:08:51
  connected. But fine, if not the Imam, bring
• 1:08:54
  your proof as to who? I just, I don't know anyone,
• 1:08:59
  anyone or anything that could even get close to fulfilling one
• 1:09:02
  or two of those criteria, let alone all of them have just been
• 1:09:06
  presented. Therefore, intellectually you
• 1:09:07
  would say this is the Imam. And and you know what's also
• 1:09:11
  interesting as well? And another argument I had from
• 1:09:16
  one of he was mentioning with regards to the idea of Rabba.
• 1:09:20
  And this was really interesting, the idea that all of the Imams
• 1:09:24
  are in Salaam from Rasulullah and to and through the Imams are
• 1:09:29
  in Salaam. All of them, I believe.
• 1:09:32
  I think. I think it was all of them.
• 1:09:34
  They mentioned the Rabba. That is the sure, yeah.
• 1:09:40
  That's actually all these slides here, Yeah, said Ahmed Ashkouri.
• 1:09:44
  We were debating his second name Ashkouri in his book in his
• 1:09:47
  Seminole work that mainstay translated each of I've written
• 1:09:50
  each of them down where at least one narration from each of them
• 1:09:53
  out soon except said Zahra, but there's definitely some say
• 1:09:55
  Zahra site to this exact point about.
• 1:09:57
  Specifically. About the concept alluding to a
• 1:10:02
  raber, an extension of life, Heira, Valala, etcetera.
• 1:10:05
  All that basic, all there. So what what he mentioned was
• 1:10:08
  that Sheffield Collini and also there's the reports in in Al
• 1:10:12
  Kafi. They don't just mention a raber,
• 1:10:15
  they mentioned 2 labours. Wow.
• 1:10:18
  Yeah. So first of all, Shechel
• 1:10:21
  Collini, he died in the year 329.
• 1:10:23
  Or some of them might actually say, like, what is the stronger
• 1:10:26
  opinion is he died in the year 328.
• 1:10:29
  That's what Rabiesil cobra, I'm sorry, Rabiesil cobra began in
• 1:10:34
  329. So Shechel Collini has put
• 1:10:38
  reports in a cafe mentioning that there's going to be a
• 1:10:42
  second Raber. So the fact that these chains,
• 1:10:47
  they go back to the Imamas that came before this scholar said,
• 1:10:52
  in fact, if there wasn't Evaiba, we'd have a big problem this
• 1:10:55
  year because. We're going to.
• 1:10:58
  We'd be like, how do we explain that it's a?
• 1:11:00
  Very interesting point. He he he said that the amount of
• 1:11:03
  narrations that exists, like if there was no labor, we would be
• 1:11:07
  struggling as a school. We would be like, what are we
• 1:11:09
  supposed to do about this? Right.
• 1:11:11
  So even that it prove it serves as a proof that was spoken about
• 1:11:17
  all of about all of the imams that came before that shows you
• 1:11:21
  beyond any doubt. Do you know what, it's just kind
• 1:11:23
  of like hit me just now is like especially when you look in in
• 1:11:26
  the psychology of these Olama and this Mohadi teen at that
• 1:11:29
  time, Shekhar Khalili and all of kind of the Mohali teen, at that
• 1:11:33
  point, they would have had to have such a level of Iman and
• 1:11:36
  yakin that there is going to be XY and Z coming.
• 1:11:40
  And we know this based on what we have.
• 1:11:42
  Read before before you died as in Shekhar before.
• 1:11:46
  He said he's speaking about a second of a bus which is in a in
• 1:11:50
  a period of time where the lay individual might still be
• 1:11:52
  expecting the Imam to return anytime.
• 1:11:54
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:11:55
  And he's putting it down in a coffee.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah. That this is the narration, that
• 1:12:00
  there's going to be a second of a bus.
• 1:12:01
  Crazy. I'm not even going to see it.
• 1:12:03
  Exactly. Doesn't know he's going to see
• 1:12:05
  exactly, but he's put it. And we're, we're, we're in in
• 1:12:08
  many ways in a similar position now.
• 1:12:10
  Yeah. Like we have all these
• 1:12:11
  abundance, like it's common sense.
• 1:12:13
  It's got to be there. There's all these arguments, the
• 1:12:15
  cumulative process you've been through, we know XYZ is going to
• 1:12:18
  happen, the horse is going to happen.
• 1:12:19
  All the the signs and all of these things we now have have
• 1:12:24
  such an abundance. It was like, well, it's going to
• 1:12:26
  happen. Like are we going to believe it
• 1:12:29
  or not or not? And that's, that's that that we
• 1:12:32
  arrive at, right. It's not that we're at a time
• 1:12:35
  where we as an English speaking Shia community, wherever we are
• 1:12:39
  in the world, have not received those narrations.
• 1:12:42
  Kitaba Labour Times 2 translated right.
• 1:12:45
  Kamala Dean translated, Al Kafi, translated.
• 1:12:48
  It's not that those narrations haven't reached us.
• 1:12:50
  It's not that scholars are not there to tell us what is right,
• 1:12:53
  what is wrong, what it's reached us.
• 1:12:56
  We have no choice now but to go. Am I backing it or am I not?
• 1:12:59
  And there was some very, I mean, I told you out for some honey
• 1:13:03
  meal like extended life. Amazing, amazing, amazing
• 1:13:06
  scholar in his. There's like an English abridged
• 1:13:10
  version of Ilahiyat his his theology book, right available
• 1:13:13
  on on Amazon in his discussion on the 12th Imam.
• 1:13:17
  And he's done this in a few occasions in the book.
• 1:13:19
  From what I've seen, he puts down some stats and I love
• 1:13:22
  stats. Something although 33% of stats
• 1:13:24
  are made-up. Appreciate it.
• 1:13:28
  I like that. I like that.
• 1:13:29
  But these ones are factual. That's such a solid press.
• 1:13:31
  You know what? What can I just say?
• 1:13:32
  That's the old sodic. That's that's the Sonic, I think
• 1:13:36
  like 20 years ago. Yeah, this is it.
• 1:13:38
  Terrible, terrible banter for a 15.
• 1:13:40
  Year old, right? So, Victoria Sodic, I'm sorry,
• 1:13:43
  I'm sorry. I'm.
• 1:13:46
  Sorry. Killer.
• 1:13:48
  I'm sorry. I'm.
• 1:13:48
  Sorry. So he puts down some stats about
• 1:13:51
  narrations of Imam and Mehdi recorded in Shia and Sunni
• 1:13:54
  sources and honestly these threw me.
• 1:13:57
  OK first one GLAAD tidings of the Imams appearance. 657
• 1:14:04
  narrations from the household of the prophets of Allah, 389 from
• 1:14:10
  the children of Emir and Mahmudin, 214 from the children.
• 1:14:13
  Say there's a hurrah. 192 That he's the 9th of the children of
• 1:14:17
  Mama Hussein. 148 It's from the children of Mama Sajad, which
• 1:14:21
  I'd never actually plot that that's a theme as well. 185 From
• 1:14:25
  the children of Mama Ascari. 146 that he will fill the earth with
• 1:14:30
  justice and equity. Kristen Wadler.
• 1:14:32
  But you're a big number. It's not.
• 1:14:34
  It's actually it was lower than I thought, 132 still high.
• 1:14:37
  I mean, would we said after three mature guys tell us about
• 1:14:40
  something, we're convinced 132 about a long occultation, 91
• 1:14:45
  long life of the imam, 318 the 12th Imam of the household, 136
• 1:14:51
  two more Islam encompassing the world. 27 And regarding the
• 1:14:55
  imam's birth, drum roll, 214 we said there's three guys come
• 1:15:00
  into this room telling us about someone that we know expecting
• 1:15:04
  to give birth and says they've given birth and we don't even
• 1:15:07
  know the guy. We trust it after three, this
• 1:15:09
  is. Atlajaf Sopani Mushroom Wicked
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  and this is publicly available. This is this is in his book
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  Introduction to Islamic theology.
• 1:15:18
  It's a blue book. It's available on Amazon,
• 1:15:20
  beautiful hardcover as well. Really recommend it.
• 1:15:23
  But just I, I just want that point to soak in.
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  We said three people come in and say the birth of your friend,
• 1:15:30
  their child, their child has happened. 3 was enough to us say
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  yes. We're saying Azur Suhani saying
• 1:15:35
  214. Is that 214 accounts, witnesses,
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  narrations, narrations that reference it right.
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  So they could be people citing similar things, separate,
• 1:15:46
  separate, separate incidents. And in the sense of like I.
• 1:15:49
  Don't know if they're separate chains, they could be the same
• 1:15:51
  chain reported in multiple. Times, but for sure there's
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  going to be a multiple variety yeah 250 wow wow, wow, that's
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  not a joke. So again, at what point does
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  this Shia go? I think the Imam exists.
• 1:16:09
  I hope at this point they go for sure the Imam exists for sure.
• 1:16:13
  This all makes sense. I almost feel embarrassed for
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  questioning it for any point in my life.
• 1:16:18
  And then they move to the next question of Leila's and Khadar
• 1:16:21
  is a few nights away. What am I doing now in order to
• 1:16:26
  prepare myself for that night and bring the Imam into the
• 1:16:30
  equation now? Because if they don't do that, I
• 1:16:32
  think they're just being willing, fully arrogant and
• 1:16:36
  ignorant in front of the fact of Tenezil and Malaik.
• 1:16:38
  Can I ask you kind of because look, there's Marshall Allah,
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  you've firstly, thank you. I have to say money and also for
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  you for, for, for elaborating it and kind of dissecting it for
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  us. And you did it so eloquently.
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  Yeah, love, bless you, bro. But kind of with all of this in
• 1:16:55
  context, I think we've been on a journey in this discussion thus
• 1:16:58
  far. So we've talked a lot about the
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  Quranic, the weight of the Holy Quran.
• 1:17:03
  In the other debate, Aleimu Salaam Ali Al Qadar, we've
• 1:17:06
  talked about some of the verses within sort of colour as well as
• 1:17:09
  other verses. We've then gone on the journey
• 1:17:11
  to understand Imam and Mehdi in sort of colour.
• 1:17:14
  And then why there are Shiva hearts and there's doubts about
• 1:17:16
  his birth and his existence in the 1st place and why by proving
• 1:17:19
  those, those matters of fact, we'll then have now, which is,
• 1:17:24
  which is where I believe we're at.
• 1:17:26
  We'll be able to determine how to approach not just the Knights
• 1:17:30
  of Kudl coming up in the coming days, but also how to rewire our
• 1:17:34
  mindset after the Knights of Kudl, the morning after the
• 1:17:37
  Knights of Kudl, as you mentioned, right?
• 1:17:39
  So our mentality, our community mindset, our family mindset, our
• 1:17:43
  individual mindsets should be wired around a marmalade.
• 1:17:49
  It's an injustice to him. It's an abomination, the fact
• 1:17:53
  that we name our children Mehdi and we name our children
• 1:17:56
  Muhammad, and we call ourselves the Shia of al Mehdi, Adulah da
• 1:18:00
  al Afar. We recite da al Faraj at every
• 1:18:02
  event we do Adulah da al Afar, Shaiv after every salwat.
• 1:18:06
  And we consistently talk about being the ones who want to fill
• 1:18:09
  the world with justice, what the Karbala to be avenged and all of
• 1:18:14
  these themes that we talk about every single year we party on 15
• 1:18:18
  the Shaaban. And you know, all of these
• 1:18:20
  things are so critical on the superficial level of our
• 1:18:26
  community affairs. But internally, are we really
• 1:18:29
  processing it? And is it a critical part of my
• 1:18:32
  existence? Am I doing dar al Ahad and am I
• 1:18:34
  doing my, my ziyad nahiyan, all of these kind of things which
• 1:18:39
  consistently will reconnect me with the Holy Imam and allow me
• 1:18:42
  to understand it not just his role in my life, but what is my
• 1:18:46
  role in his mission? You know, we've talked about
• 1:18:50
  Shekhar Andamani Mellah. Bless him and reward him for
• 1:18:53
  everything he's done for each of us individually and of course
• 1:18:55
  for after Maghrib. And if anyone has not already
• 1:18:58
  seen which I'm, that is so good. And it's a relevant
• 1:19:01
  conversation, Muhammad, which you I'm sure you can explain
• 1:19:03
  much better than I can. He did a 2 hour discussion with
• 1:19:06
  you on the philosophies of the GABA on Jamaat Knights.
• 1:19:09
  Yeah. So we had a discussion basically
• 1:19:12
  where I was bringing all the questions that anybody would
• 1:19:17
  want to ask about the involvement of the Imam Alay
• 1:19:20
  Salaam during the Reba itself. Like what is what is the Imam
• 1:19:23
  actually like? What is he doing right now?
• 1:19:26
  And how is he relevant to us? Right.
• 1:19:28
  So this is where we spoke about kind of, you know, why was there
• 1:19:31
  Reba in the 1st place? Yeah, You know, because that's,
• 1:19:34
  you know, the first question anybody would ask.
• 1:19:36
  Well, what's the point? Yeah, exactly what's the point,
• 1:19:38
  right. The difference between the
• 1:19:40
  Reba's, is it a blessing or a punishment?
• 1:19:43
  Yeah. Is the Imam in in Reba?
• 1:19:45
  Does that mean that he's not doing anything?
• 1:19:48
  Like, does that mean he doesn't affect us?
• 1:19:51
  Like you know, if he is doing something, what are the
• 1:19:53
  mechanisms? But behind the does.
• 1:19:55
  Something right? All of these kind of questions,
• 1:19:57
  we went through a lot of them. We spoke about hadith as well
• 1:20:00
  with the importance of hadith. Which we always do, of course.
• 1:20:04
  And yeah, I think it was, it was like a really in depth
• 1:20:07
  discussion. Shakaman was obviously amazing.
• 1:20:10
  That was a solid episode. I think it's probably the most
• 1:20:13
  viewed. I loved it.
• 1:20:14
  I think it's probably one of my favorite, if I'd say like top
• 1:20:17
  three after Magdam shows out of the 203 hundred things we've
• 1:20:22
  handed. I was amazing.
• 1:20:22
  Mella rewarding, but he mentioned something to me when
• 1:20:25
  we went on autobion together. I had the privilege of being
• 1:20:27
  with him a few years ago and inshallah again soon if the
• 1:20:30
  opportunity comes, but he talked to me about Imam Hussein, Ali,
• 1:20:33
  Saddam and Arbaeen being all about Imam Ehdi.
• 1:20:38
  And how's the movement of the Imam and your presence is you're
• 1:20:42
  there as part of someone who's representing the Imam and
• 1:20:44
  therefore the Imam and your BAE acts for the Imam when you go
• 1:20:48
  for other BAE. Hey fully rewired my mindset
• 1:20:51
  about other baeeen, specifically other baeeen because it's it was
• 1:20:54
  so beautiful. You don't necessarily connect
• 1:20:55
  the 2 right? You never and this is what I'm
• 1:20:57
  saying, like I went into and I I mentioned him last week on our
• 1:21:00
  group chat with him and I said to him, I was like, like Imam
• 1:21:04
  Mehdi Shah Ramaban in my mind. You think, do I have to TA if
• 1:21:09
  you don't the Karim and all of these kind of things and that
• 1:21:11
  whole passage and like that's what you connect it to, right.
• 1:21:14
  And like you said, the must have on your head and all of these
• 1:21:17
  things. But it's so evident there for us
• 1:21:21
  to pick up and central. We haven't connected it.
• 1:21:24
  Once we connect it, everything changes.
• 1:21:26
  You're wearing a new pair of lenses on your face and you see
• 1:21:30
  everything in a different light. The whole religion changes.
• 1:21:33
  You know, you know, Sheikh Shamali, in this lecture for the
• 1:21:35
  introduction, Shah Ramadan pointed at something very
• 1:21:38
  similar that again, it's one of those comments that just throws
• 1:21:41
  you and you're like, whoa, I've not appreciated that, He said,
• 1:21:45
  again, paraphrasing, when you and I are given news of a loved
• 1:21:50
  one that has just died, that throws, this is a very close
• 1:21:54
  loved one. It throws you for the best part
• 1:21:57
  of a few weeks at least before you can start really rewiring
• 1:22:00
  yourself and a few months every now and then you'll start to
• 1:22:02
  think about it. Within a year you reach the year
• 1:22:05
  anniversary and you're still you're still struggling said
• 1:22:10
  you. And I can't handle all of the
• 1:22:13
  Amar coming down to us telling us this guy's going to die, this
• 1:22:18
  guy's going to die, This guy's going to get cancer.
• 1:22:19
  This guy, this guy, this guy, this will be born his hajile to
• 1:22:22
  be accepted. Imagine the strength, the
• 1:22:26
  spiritual strength of the Imam to receive tenezil and melanica.
• 1:22:32
  What ro hafiha be in the rub him min khulle Amar not battable
• 1:22:37
  Amar kuli Amar. And when the Quran says kuli
• 1:22:40
  Amar, it means kuli Amar that that is the strength of your
• 1:22:45
  Imam on that night. And that one again just blew.
• 1:22:49
  Me, I was like, I think. I think honestly like the
• 1:22:55
  scholars that are able to connect Imam Sahib Zaman in all
• 1:23:00
  of the aspects of, of, of our religion and even in our ebadat,
• 1:23:05
  for example, like you know, these, the scholars are very
• 1:23:08
  important in this, in this arena because there are a lot of
• 1:23:11
  things that we do whereby we might not be able to see the
• 1:23:15
  connection that it has with Sahaba Zama.
• 1:23:17
  For example, there was one of the, the scholars he was
• 1:23:19
  mentioning with regards to Shahramadhan and I actually had
• 1:23:22
  a recent post on, on this on Instagram and I found it very
• 1:23:26
  beautiful. He was, he was discussing, first
• 1:23:28
  of all, the understanding of taqwa, right in the Quran,
• 1:23:33
  right? The idea you're fasting so that
• 1:23:35
  you can gain taqwa. And then of course we see
• 1:23:39
  Insuratu Bacara Hudel, mutakin Aladdini.
• 1:23:42
  So the most important part of taqwa is obviously belief in
• 1:23:46
  the, the label. That's the characteristic of a
• 1:23:48
  mutaki and taqwa linguistically goes back to work higher which
• 1:23:53
  is prevent prevention, right protection.
• 1:23:56
  Yeah exactly. Prevention put casting something
• 1:23:58
  aside now he discussed from a while of say the Fatima Zahra
• 1:24:04
  and also including this concept of taqwa within it.
• 1:24:08
  She mentioned in her hot pot of of Fedek say that Zahra, she
• 1:24:12
  mentions, she says was the arm to have beaten class that first
• 1:24:18
  thing is for strengthening of your sincerity.
• 1:24:21
  Now the scholar explained, he said when you're talking about a
• 1:24:25
  class, his sincerity towards God, there's multiple layers on
• 1:24:29
  this on this journey of sincerity.
• 1:24:32
  He said there's a surface layer, there's a deeper layer and
• 1:24:35
  there's an essence to to that sincerity.
• 1:24:39
  The first layer, he said the surface layer of, you know,
• 1:24:43
  abstaining from food and drink, that is a level of sincerity
• 1:24:46
  that you have on the right head. The apparent that you can break
• 1:24:49
  your fast at any time, but you're but you're not even in
• 1:24:52
  secret, for example, you're not breaking your fast.
• 1:24:54
  That's a apparent level of sincerity towards Allah.
• 1:24:57
  Then he mentions the deeper level of sincerity whereby the
• 1:25:01
  fast is inclusive of your limbs and your eyes and your tongue
• 1:25:06
  and staying away from the alarm, right?
• 1:25:09
  Then he says the essence and this is what kind of blows your
• 1:25:13
  mind, right? He said that the essence of the
• 1:25:16
  fast is turning away from everything and preventing
• 1:25:21
  yourself from anything that is not connected to the Imam of
• 1:25:24
  your time. And that is the essence of the
• 1:25:28
  fast. Understanding the meaning of
• 1:25:31
  taqwa and sincerity towards the Imam of your time.
• 1:25:35
  And that is like that is when you, when you think about the
• 1:25:38
  man, you, when you talk about the Imam of the time, the idea
• 1:25:41
  that he is wedgeful law, he is where is the face of Allah that
• 1:25:50
  the Saints turn towards when we talk about preventing ourselves
• 1:25:55
  from anything other than our Imam, That is, that is our
• 1:26:00
  connection with God himself. And that is the idea of taqwa
• 1:26:05
  and that is the fast that is mentioned in the ayah.
• 1:26:08
  Changes fasting. Just for you straight away
• 1:26:11
  you're like OK now Shahramadhan for me.
• 1:26:13
  It's a different lens IS. Imam.
• 1:26:15
  Look, but then you know what, people will hear that and go
• 1:26:18
  these guys and after Mohrib, they've lost it.
• 1:26:20
  It goes back to that same point where we said, oh, this is this
• 1:26:23
  is not to heat. This is too far.
• 1:26:27
  And it's a tough one. Like at some point that
• 1:26:29
  individual who's thinking this right now has to go and
• 1:26:32
  reconcile and be like, either you're saying the entire hoser
• 1:26:35
  has lost it or you're not grasping the understanding as to
• 1:26:38
  what's being shared by them. If you do something like that,
• 1:26:42
  if you do think like that, please DM essential ILM on
• 1:26:46
  Instagram and. So Joe's never had a shout out,
• 1:26:49
  by the way. Is that his like?
• 1:26:50
  Debut for Do you want to talk about just before we wrap up
• 1:26:53
  because look firstly I just wanna thank you and you smashed
• 1:26:56
  it yeah WhatsApp community is amazing your your snippet.
• 1:26:59
  Instagram, I don't I've I've not like you guys, but you haven't
• 1:27:01
  done. That's all the algorithm.
• 1:27:02
  I'm done. With it, no, not finished for
• 1:27:04
  those who don't know. So just to kind of wrap up,
• 1:27:07
  firstly, I wanted to thank you for everything.
• 1:27:09
  I think both of us really enjoyed it and not just thank
• 1:27:11
  you both for yourself, but you have like been such a mammoth of
• 1:27:16
  a presence here. And I think saying saying no, I
• 1:27:21
  mean, I think both of you done incredible job.
• 1:27:23
  And I'm sure said Ali is at home and you know, he's cheerleading
• 1:27:26
  right now as I am because you guys have smashed at me.
• 1:27:29
  Laura Woods, you both. Always feel like I haven't been.
• 1:27:32
  Able to fill his seat. No, honestly, you've done
• 1:27:33
  incredibly. I've been here that in awe.
• 1:27:36
  But you know, it's not just that I think like the key principles
• 1:27:39
  you've both touched on the Quran, the Yahoo debate,
• 1:27:42
  ultimately Tokid, and then principles that we need to have
• 1:27:44
  ourselves, Eklas and kind of Takwa and our Saba and all of
• 1:27:49
  tying these all in together. And then of course, our
• 1:27:52
  observance of key things like understanding that these things
• 1:27:59
  are taught to us by the Olama and staying close to the Olama
• 1:28:03
  and what they've taught and what they teach.
• 1:28:06
  And that that is, it's always going to lead you into, into
• 1:28:09
  goodness, right? It's, it's, it's any, any, any
• 1:28:15
  people who generally tend to have an issue, a minority or
• 1:28:18
  whatever, they all have something in common.
• 1:28:21
  And that is an issue with the Olama.
• 1:28:22
  So it tends to be a key theme, right.
• 1:28:25
  So anyway, the last thing I want to say is essential ILM, do you
• 1:28:28
  want to tell us what it is how people can engage?
• 1:28:31
  Sure, sure. It's like the elevator pitch.
• 1:28:35
  Yeah. The problem it aimed to solve
• 1:28:38
  for was an increase in access to information and knowledge, good
• 1:28:43
  and bad knowledge, good and bad information gave to a rise in
• 1:28:47
  two main issues in the English speaking community.
• 1:28:50
  Shia Community 1 is a rise in atheism.
• 1:28:53
  I think we're all seeing it. It's happening.
• 1:28:55
  And I think that's true for every religion, to be honest,
• 1:28:58
  but also a rise in alternative thinking away from what the
• 1:29:01
  hoser is saying. And when I say that, I'm talking
• 1:29:03
  about the giant hoser. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:29:06
  And a lot of the doubts that fuel that have been answered by
• 1:29:12
  our ulema for the last 1200 years.
• 1:29:15
  So for example, Shuba had doubts about the Imam was not answered
• 1:29:18
  by Save Munir in 2000 and whatever ten, 2020, it was
• 1:29:21
  answered by Sheikhar Sadour in Kamala Dima Tamar like 1200
• 1:29:24
  years ago, like done and dusted, right.
• 1:29:26
  It's just that our ulema and the strength of our ulema have kept
• 1:29:29
  it going and going and going and going.
• 1:29:31
  So the idea was very simple. The knowledge that solves those
• 1:29:34
  doubts exists in the books of our olima.
• 1:29:37
  We have failed as a community to read.
• 1:29:40
  We've lost the culture of reading and we can go and sit
• 1:29:44
  here and say read, read, read, read, read, but the end of the
• 1:29:46
  day people aren't going to do it.
• 1:29:48
  So the idea was to try and bring life to what is being taught in
• 1:29:53
  those books in means that people actually engage with day-to-day.
• 1:29:57
  So we fought the fight on Instagram and I've admitted
• 1:30:00
  defeat to the algorithm. I couldn't be bothered with it,
• 1:30:03
  but I haven't for the last five years.
• 1:30:04
  We've been able to hold a mixture of sessions right the
• 1:30:06
  way from 32nd reels to infographics to three to four
• 1:30:11
  minute highlights of like specific points of books through
• 1:30:15
  to 15 minute podcasts, through to one hour sessions.
• 1:30:18
  And what has stuck the most in particular has been most
• 1:30:21
  recently what we've tried, which is 3 to 7 minute voice notes
• 1:30:26
  that are literally excerpts from the book directly the idea.
• 1:30:30
  And I don't share them on Instagram.
• 1:30:31
  They're shared on the WhatsApp community.
• 1:30:33
  And it's very simple. It's like 3 to 5 shared every
• 1:30:35
  week from different books, from different Alema.
• 1:30:38
  At the moment we're a bit of a breakfast Shahramadhan, but
• 1:30:40
  we're going through a book about Nabi Adam and his Saddam and
• 1:30:43
  clarifying what actually happened with regards to the
• 1:30:47
  fruit and the tree and Shaban. And did he disobey?
• 1:30:50
  Did he not disobey? And what does that mean for
• 1:30:52
  Bunny Adam as well? And again, it just, it's this
• 1:30:55
  whole reframing, this whole rewiring when you just spend
• 1:30:57
  time with your Adama and you're like, Oh my God, all those
• 1:31:00
  doubts I had about Nabi Ardem and how do I reconcile Iceman
• 1:31:03
  and stuff is solved. And I understand how I am Benny
• 1:31:06
  Ardem, how that event not necessarily affects me, but it
• 1:31:10
  implicates the way I live. And so that's what we're trying
• 1:31:13
  to. Do you're doing an incredible
• 1:31:15
  job. May Allah reward you, grant you
• 1:31:17
  more Baraka and Afiya and Charlotte as well.
• 1:31:23
  I'm just, I'm just mentioned two more things.
• 1:31:25
  That's OK. Just very, very small things.
• 1:31:27
  First one is, and this is again about this point of the Imam.
• 1:31:30
  If anyone is still sat on the fence and they're like, not
• 1:31:32
  sure, not sure. Said Manira mentioned this point
• 1:31:35
  and I'm going to try and extrapolate it a little bit.
• 1:31:38
  One of the proofs that the Olimi use about the existence of the
• 1:31:41
  Imam is look around in your society today.
• 1:31:45
  If you still see scholars guiding towards Hak, If you
• 1:31:52
  still see the majalis of Sheikh say the Shahadat taking place.
• 1:31:55
  If you still see tears being shed for him.
• 1:31:59
  If you still see the affairs of Ehl Beita Aimsan being revived.
• 1:32:03
  If you still see young children embracing and getting along with
• 1:32:06
  to show you. If you still see the Quran
• 1:32:08
  existing in your household today and being read in Shahramaban,
• 1:32:12
  you can have no doubt about the Imam because none of that would
• 1:32:16
  happen if he wasn't around because the earth would collapse
• 1:32:19
  in on its inhabitants. And for me, that was like, I
• 1:32:22
  remember in particular in one of the Muharram Majalis I was
• 1:32:25
  giving, I was looking around like at some points when you're
• 1:32:28
  speaking, you do just kind of look at.
• 1:32:30
  The. Crowd I didn't want to give
• 1:32:31
  context, but I think to hammer this point how I have to give
• 1:32:33
  contact was in Karachi. Karachi had never had to our
• 1:32:37
  understanding an English major list before.
• 1:32:38
  So remember the organiser said to me look probably no one's
• 1:32:41
  going to turn up but would you like to do it?
• 1:32:43
  Was it Yeah sure. So the first day it was held
• 1:32:46
  privately, first night as you'd expect from Haram full 200
• 1:32:50
  people. Next year they said come back,
• 1:32:53
  but this time they held it in a public centre.
• 1:32:55
  I said, look, we don't know how it's going to go because we're
• 1:32:57
  putting it at the same time as all of the big order of
• 1:32:59
  speakers. And in Karachi it's like, it's
• 1:33:02
  like Heathrow airport, like Majal is kicking off every 60
• 1:33:04
  seconds. I said honestly, respectfully, I
• 1:33:06
  don't care, right? If there's a few people there,
• 1:33:08
  we're good to go, right? It's as much for me as it is for
• 1:33:10
  anyone else. I remember, I think it was
• 1:33:12
  around the Knight of Abu Father, I'm looking around, there's 900
• 1:33:15
  people packed into this whole SAT outside speakers going
• 1:33:19
  outside for English majalis in Karachi.
• 1:33:23
  I'm seeing guys who I know a multi millionaire sat here next
• 1:33:26
  to a guy who's come on a bike who barely understands English.
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  If that isn't the work of the imam in the background, I don't
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  know what is. That unbelievable moment.
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  It's got nothing to do with the speaker, quite evidently.
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  It's got everything to do with the Imam and him being Yala
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  Farhat Hossein. And when you again, when you see
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  it that way, you start to see it differently.
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  And that's when, and I'll just end on these two points.
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  I'm very sorry, but these are two narrations because this is
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  from the Holy Prophet and Imam Sajjal about those who are
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  believing in the Imam in the time of labour.
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  OK, The Holy Prophet reported to say at one point, sorry, he he
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  says when he's got his companions around him or his
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  brethren around him, he says, oh, Allah, allow me to meet my
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  brethren. And so those around him are
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  like, what do you mean we're not your brethren?
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  Like what are we then, Right. It's kind of like when people
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  came back from battle and he was like, well done on your Jihad al
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  Jihad al Asgar. And they're like, you're having
• 1:34:25
  a laugh, like we've got bruises or whatever.
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  He's like, welcome to Jihad al Aqaba.
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  This is off the soul. So I sat around him and said, I
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  can't wait to meet my brethren. What do you mean isn't that us?
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  He says no, you are my companions.
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  He says my brethren are a people at the end of times who believed
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  me without seeing me. God has taught me their names.
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  That in if itself, if you are someone who believes in the
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  prophet without seeing him, and he says at last taught me your
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  names. He said God has taught me their
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  names and the names of their fathers before.
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  He will extract them from the loins of their fathers and the
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  wombs of their mothers. Each of them is the most
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  protective of his faith and will be like 1 clasping a burning
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  ember. They are the lanterns of the
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  night and God will save them of every dark and murky sedition.
• 1:35:13
  And Imam Sejad very in a very kind of similar context of
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  narration, he describes the following and saying surely the
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  people of the era of Imam Mehdi of the occultation who believe
• 1:35:24
  in his divine leadership and who await his appearance are better
• 1:35:28
  than the people of any other era.
• 1:35:30
  That is because the last panel to Allah gave them the
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  intellect, comprehension and knowledge that allowed them to
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  see occultation at the level of presence.
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  He made them at that era at the status of those who struggled at
• 1:35:45
  war alongside Rasool Allah. They and those are our real
• 1:35:49
  devotees. They are our true Shia and they
• 1:35:53
  are the callers unto God's religion in public and in
• 1:35:56
  privacy. If you want to be like one of
• 1:35:59
  those, jump the fence and. Say wow, wow.
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  A lot, a lot to take away for me.
• 1:36:13
  Or the puzzle. I feel like I'm going to go home
• 1:36:16
  and just got all in. I have some.
• 1:36:19
  I think that's the answer. And so much, so much more
• 1:36:24
  reflection. And this is perfect.
• 1:36:27
  And I'm so grateful to Sadiq and Suman.
• 1:36:29
  Thank you guys for allowing this conversation to happen.
• 1:36:33
  And I hope, brothers and sisters, if you've made it this
• 1:36:35
  far, firstly, well done. Like shout out to you.
• 1:36:39
  Heavily admitted. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:40
  One hour 38 is or one hour 37. So you guys are real ones and
• 1:36:46
  more so remember us, of course, these are holy nights.
• 1:36:50
  Our NIA has always just been to serve you and to to make our
• 1:36:53
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• 1:36:55
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• 1:36:57
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• 1:37:01
  probably our 4th Shahana Mavan on the podcast.
• 1:37:04
  I was like, if I think back to like year one and the sort of
• 1:37:08
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• 1:37:12
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• 1:37:18
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• 1:37:27
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