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Patriots Unfiltered 9/1: 53-Man Roster and Practice Squad Reaction, Burning Questions For Regular Season · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Let's Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: It's a busy stadium, it really is. The Patriots have
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  Speaker 1: their premiere tonight because which which is the number one
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  Speaker 1: fundraising event for the Patriots Foundations. So that's a huge event,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like all the high rollers are here, the
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  Speaker 1: whole team will be here. It's a major, major event.
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  Speaker 1: And then during the day we had what we call
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  Speaker 1: photo Day, which players come through and they do line
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  Speaker 1: reads and you make sure you got everybody's photo for
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  Speaker 1: the broadcast for all the networks and and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's been going on. And then in between that the
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  Speaker 1: players have their own stuff going on, probably a walk
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  Speaker 1: for practice and practice and all that. So it is
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  Speaker 1: like this place is hopping for a Thursday. Really yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know ten days out too, you know, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not even like it's a Thursday of a game week,
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  Speaker 1: which is obviously, you know, a busy time but you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it is bustling. Yeah, the stadium right now. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: pop out for a little bit, go into the locker room,
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  Speaker 1: come back, and then pop out for practice and come back.
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  Speaker 1: So it might be the first us return from from practice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to alter that, I know. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because Evan's going to be from practice coming with his
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  Speaker 1: practice reports. But and plus not to mention all the
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  Speaker 1: moves yesterday of the practice squads, and yeah, we should
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  Speaker 1: probably um the nuts and bolts of that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: talk right off most of the cuts. I think we
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  Speaker 1: had sort of Mike Mike has and the practice squad editions, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, when I start with with the I got
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad guys, because starting with Linna Bowden junior,
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  Speaker 1: who is it is? Um on the big board, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: that is that sixty eighth? No, that was an offensive
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely a lineout. Okay, that's there was a
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight on the field. There was no sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room. So maybe maybe just to try out,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely he was an offensive alignement. So but I'll
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  Speaker 1: run down the practice squad starting offensive line, which is
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  Speaker 1: Bill Murray, James Farence and Cody Russey. Cody Russy did
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  Speaker 1: make the practice squad tough for David Devin Asiassi though
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  Speaker 1: got signed. He was like hanging out here, I think,
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  Speaker 1: waiting to sign here and then got swapped up by
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals. So they did retain both Matt Sokol and
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Widermeyer, two tight ends. Who Widermeyer has been here
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  Speaker 1: a week not even maybe a little bit more moving
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  Speaker 1: on little Jordan Trey Nixon, Lynn Bowden. So three receivers
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  Speaker 1: now on the practice squad. Running backs they brought back
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Harris and JJ Taylor, So you know, Mike J. J.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor get thrust in action. We're still waiting to see
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  Speaker 1: on time Montgomery what happens there. Then on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of all, Lebrian Rage. I remind Farms up front too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know Farms qualifies as a rookie still. I
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  Speaker 1: know he was in the USFL for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Not sure what his age is exactly, but um, but
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  Speaker 1: of course Lebron Ray Alabama, Uh Cameron mcgron, Harvey longie
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  Speaker 1: back as well, and then uh Terrence Mitchell cornerback veteran
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  Speaker 1: and Brad Hawkins who was in other safety. So I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's really so okay. So that's that's the practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: And then who were guys that got cut and who
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to the practice squad. Dah, I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to do those one to the top. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: the list of exact cuts, but um, well, I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you a couple of noteworthy guy. Henry Anderson was
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  Speaker 1: put on IR um and I believe he is already,
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  Speaker 1: if not already been announced, he's reached an injury settlement
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  Speaker 1: with the team. So um, so Henry Anderson again two
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  Speaker 1: years now, we've seen very little of him. I think
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  Speaker 1: he played in a couple of games last year, if
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  Speaker 1: if barely. Yeah um. And then yeah, Christian Wilkerson as well.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Wilkerson also put on IR so he's done for
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  Speaker 1: the year. Those are the two. Those are the two
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  Speaker 1: injury reserve guys. The twenty four. Uh, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: surprise this Justin Bethel, maybe a little bit of Justin
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  Speaker 1: Bethel was was a little bit of a surprise. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: Sherman a little bit of a surprise. And he just
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  Speaker 1: signed with the Broncos practice squad. So he's found Colorado
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  Speaker 1: out of Colorado, so kind of going home for him.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was a little bit of a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was one of those guys a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people say, I just would have assumed he was
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  Speaker 1: back on the practice squad. No, No, he's one that
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  Speaker 1: got away. But so all of those guys that might
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned, except for Lee Bowden, were cut, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: resigned to the practice. So there's now sixteen guys in
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad, So fifteen of them were cut and resigned, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you're really talking about what like like fifteen more
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  Speaker 1: guys that were actually not even it's ten more, you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A Siasi, as Mike said, was here, reportedly here at
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  Speaker 1: the at the stadium when he found out that Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: claimed him off waivers. That was the only cut that
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots had that was claimed off waivers. And I
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  Speaker 1: do want to add um really classy tweet that we
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  Speaker 1: all see it from his dad, Dave Asiasi, thanking us
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  Speaker 1: for the coverage, thanking specifically Evan Um. I think he
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  Speaker 1: had a little bit of a relationship with Edim because
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  Speaker 1: he talked to him in Vegas. Um. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: just I thought that was a really classy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't go well for for Devin here, but he
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  Speaker 1: put up something with Bill Belichick thanking him specifically and
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  Speaker 1: personally for you know, trying to developing. Lets never know
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  Speaker 1: where you're gonna do. I just thought that was a
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  Speaker 1: really classy move. And I'm not saying that all the
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  Speaker 1: parents don't do that, but you know, he happened to
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  Speaker 1: reach out to us, and you know, let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: we're you know, yeah, that's all it takes for us.
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  Speaker 1: You give us, yeah, you know, mister Myers, mister Assiasse,
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  Speaker 1: you give us the time of day, and we love
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  Speaker 1: you forever. So thank you to Dave ASSISI for that.
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  Speaker 1: Were you surprised that? And and I could be wrong
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  Speaker 1: here because I just read this last night, but um,
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  Speaker 1: they kept all the linebackers, you know, for the most
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  Speaker 1: Like everybody's still here? Is now? Is there a lob
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  Speaker 1: jam now at linebacker? Like were you count in practice squad? No?
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  Speaker 1: I mean like so well, they cut camera grown, they
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  Speaker 1: cut Hotbrey longy okay, but Tovai is still here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know Mac Wilson, Anthony Jennings seven seven seven linebacker
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  Speaker 1: and one of those is just a special teamer like
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  Speaker 1: DeMarcus Mitchell's really just a special team. Well that would
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  Speaker 1: be that would be that he'd be the eighth one. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, you are accounting, you know, Bentley McMillan to
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  Speaker 1: buy Wilson, and then on the outside, Uch Judean and Jennings.
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  Speaker 1: So who do you think gets to play? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that they'll all probably get to play a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, I think probably the details lie
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  Speaker 1: in the game plan between Tavai, McMillan, and Wilson. I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think generally you're gonna get Judon, Jennings,
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  Speaker 1: and Ucha in roles every game. But I think in
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  Speaker 1: the middle is where they probably experiment a little bit. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think McMillan's probably the most balanced of
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  Speaker 1: the three. I think Toby's a little more of a
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  Speaker 1: run stopper, and I think Wilson's a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of a coverage guy. See, I'm gonna go a little
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  Speaker 1: bit even more. I would say Bentley and Judon are
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  Speaker 1: the only two that I know will play. I think
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  Speaker 1: Jennings is certainly being given an opportunity to be on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of Judo. How he performs, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: Ouch I think is going to be given the opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: like might just sort of be that situational pass rushing
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  Speaker 1: um and then Mac Wilson, Ray Kawa, McMillan and to
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  Speaker 1: Bay like I don't again, I don't really see what
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  Speaker 1: they see in to Bay, but they play them a
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  Speaker 1: lot right now, so I can see how those guys
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  Speaker 1: end up, how much they end up next to Bentley
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  Speaker 1: and then in Wilson's case, I think in place of
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  Speaker 1: Bentley in subpack. I think that's a good observation pause.
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  Speaker 1: How much are they really going to play four linebackers
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  Speaker 1: at once? I mean they did in the preseason, but
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  Speaker 1: I doubt once they get into the game, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: probably just going to be three guys. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's the what's the sub package look like? And does
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  Speaker 1: Jennings get a chance to rush too? You know that's
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  Speaker 1: some sound kind of curious because I think he showed
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  Speaker 1: a little flash in that too, coming forward off the edge.
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  Speaker 1: And you know there were times like that last preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: It was, Um, I wish I had my notebook in
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  Speaker 1: Um so any so let's go to cornerback. Sean Wade
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  Speaker 1: made it right, Sean Wade didn't make it. Terrence Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: didn't Sean Wade. But Mitchell's now on practice dippering Mitchell back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's uh. I mean, I know we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into this later, but I do think it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a youth movement at the cornerback position. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, is he going to stay on the outside
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  Speaker 1: if so, you know, it's Mills and Jones on the
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  Speaker 1: outside and Miles Brian on the inside, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: two rookies and Sean Wade on the active roster, guys
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  Speaker 1: that you know haven't really played yet obviously the rookies haven't.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mitchell is kind of the backup of that
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  Speaker 1: veteran on the practice squad that you're able to have now,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll see. I'm curious how those guys, if those
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  Speaker 1: guys are able to play. I mean, if you get
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  Speaker 1: past the top three, you're getting into unknown territory pretty quick,
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  Speaker 1: especially with those young guys. So just to round out
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the defense, what's the safety depth chart
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  Speaker 1: look like? Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it depends
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  Speaker 1: on a Yeah, it depends on how you feel about
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  Speaker 1: Schooler if you're gonna I'm slipping him into the special
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  Speaker 1: team's of Bracken in my depth chart. But yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: you know it's it's seven, it's sorry, five guys. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's Dugger, mccordy, Phillips, Peppers, bledsoe. It depends on
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  Speaker 1: how you would consider Miles Bryant. Yeah, I think some
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  Speaker 1: people would call him a safety. Someone would call him
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  Speaker 1: a slot corner. And it seems like Jonathan Jones could
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  Speaker 1: also be in that, but he's gotten away from it.
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  Speaker 1: He's playing outside corner. So I heard something interesting. We wait,
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  Speaker 1: I can wait for that. I can table that until
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  Speaker 1: we're done with the roster. I suppose we shouldn't. We
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't cross too many topics. Just something about Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get back too later. But yeah, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was probably as a whole, the least
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  Speaker 1: surprising set of cuts that I can remember. The Paul
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  Speaker 1: Patriots all Access coming in third, coming in third, first favorite. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: get on the survey? Because that's what you need to do, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they keep popping up. Sorry, Yeah, we don't care about
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, right. It stops you when you're so how
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  Speaker 1: about gasper and Murray finished ahead of alone. For mego
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  Speaker 1: Gasper and Murrays is a unique Saturday right, very niche
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  Speaker 1: niche show. They tied at five percent. Let's move over
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  Speaker 1: to the offense and go over the depth charts for
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  Speaker 1: the offense. Where are we on offensive line? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I mean I think, you know, good
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  Speaker 1: for Chasing Hines. I mean he started slow, wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: out there and managed to get a roster spot, so
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit of an unknown and
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  Speaker 1: maybe you know something that pushed will Sherman off. Yadi
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  Speaker 1: Kad just wasn't out there on Monday, but he was
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  Speaker 1: back out on Wednesday, so that was a good sign
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: in terms of just you know the depth that Justin
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  Speaker 1: Harran both stayed, Chasing Hines stayed. And then you know
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  Speaker 1: the top line, the starting five, So is that eight linemen? Yep? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Now I thought this was interesting. Some people thought that
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  Speaker 1: that there their light on lineman, which I think eight
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  Speaker 1: is a regular number eight or nine, and with the
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  Speaker 1: expanded practice squad there's always multiple offensive lineman. So predictably
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  Speaker 1: they brought back Ferns Yea and Billy and Dan Cody,
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  Speaker 1: so you have now you have eleven offensive lineman in
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  Speaker 1: your program, and unlike other positions, offensive lineman can plug
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  Speaker 1: and play. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like
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  Speaker 1: James Barrens can play center if David Andrews goes down
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  Speaker 1: right and sure, you know, and guard and yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean like because Bill had made a comment
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  Speaker 1: earlier this week which I thought was very accurate about
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  Speaker 1: you're not really getting impact players off your practice squad
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  Speaker 1: around the league if you looked at it. I'm paraphrasing,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not necessarily looking to bolster your practice squad
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  Speaker 1: with a guy you think is going to be the star,
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  Speaker 1: you know, two years from now. But offensive lineman can
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  Speaker 1: plug and play like you can get you know, a
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  Speaker 1: requisite performance from an offensive lineman off your practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: That's not out of the realm, right, I mean, did
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  Speaker 1: you guys agree with that? Sure? Yeah, totally. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I just I'm intrigued by
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  Speaker 1: Jason Hines, and you know is that I just think
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  Speaker 1: I think your depth gets killed pretty quick. If and
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  Speaker 1: when you cold Strange gets hurt, you're you're right into
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  Speaker 1: a rookie again. I mean, I know cold strangehip too,
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  Speaker 1: but so one of the guys that was cut and
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  Speaker 1: not brought back was Hambright. Hambright um this year, Durant,
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  Speaker 1: yes year, Durant who who was here to last year,
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  Speaker 1: Harrington Hambright, who we thought was sort of making a
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  Speaker 1: push earlier in camp and he kind of petered out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, he did. Let's move over
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  Speaker 1: to wide receiver. So I think you got some questions
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  Speaker 1: just because you only have four guys healthy right now,
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  Speaker 1: and Parker, agilore Borne and Myers, and even Myers, has
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  Speaker 1: you been wearing like a sleeve on his leg? He
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  Speaker 1: was got a little banged up in that last game,
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's h obviously Parker's in here. So
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  Speaker 1: that does give a little bit of a new twist
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  Speaker 1: of things, but all otherwise, it looks a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the same like it was last year in terms of
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  Speaker 1: who's going to be rolling out there a week one
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  Speaker 1: other than Parker. And I'm just wondering what the plan
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  Speaker 1: would be. I was wondering if they were planning on
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  Speaker 1: bringing someone from the outside onto the roster for what
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  Speaker 1: Thornton if they put Thornton on ir. So there's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things in mind here. The fact that he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been placed on IR. Does that in any way
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  Speaker 1: make you think that they think it might not be
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  Speaker 1: four weeks? Four games he has to miss. You tell me, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: you broke both your collar bones. Is there any chance
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  Speaker 1: you're playing a football game in four weeks? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it would be six weeks by the time it happens, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we get to that foot, My guess
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  Speaker 1: is he's still going to end up on IR at
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  Speaker 1: some point. You know, maybe they want to bring a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Lee Bowden and give him, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: week of practice and see if he's, Yeah, if he's
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  Speaker 1: capable of doing something. I think he's more time Montgomery.
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  Speaker 1: And but there's no rush, right, Like they've got like
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  Speaker 1: six seven days before they have to put him on IR. Right,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: they can put him on IR anytime they want, That's
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, like they don't have to put
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: him on IR. Oh they don't. But like if they
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: want to open up a roster spot, they can do
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: that at any time. Correct. It just doesn't seem at
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: this point like there's any real sense of urgency to
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: open up either one of the Montgomery or Thornton spots
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to put someone else on the active roster at least
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, the Montgomery one, to me makes more
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: sense because I think I think there's a lot of
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: uncertainty of you know, on his injury. I would think
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: a broken collar bone is more of a plus finite.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: They had a procedure, so they they're in there and
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: they've seen it, and I mean, you know, they know, Okay,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: it's going to be this much to right. That's why
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I said, like, that's why I'm wondering, you know, maybe
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: do they think that it won't be four full weeks
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: maybe four full games. I don't know. The procedure quickens
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: it up, you know, I don't know. I mean, the
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: sooner the better. I just, uh, you know, what what
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: are expectations going to be like for him when he
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: gets back, and how you know, how much can they
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: get him involved and kind of salvage this year after
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: such a promising start. I mean, you know, I don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: want to overstate Montgomery, but those two guys, it's just
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: they had good camps. They were had an element of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: new and excitement, and now with the running back injuries,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: the rookies running backs didn't really perform. Like I said,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you're kind of looking other than DeVante Parker. This is
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: kind of the same you know, select piece of the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: offensive line. This is kind of the same off you
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: rolled out last year. So Freddie, just to get I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: can give you the exact because I actually do have
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I have this on my oh yeah, you do my phone. Um,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you can sort of go over this. These are the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: players that were cut. Um and I'll pause after everyone
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and you can tell me if they're on the practice squatch.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So Devin Asiassi obviously claimed by Cincinnati, Drew Deja, Lais
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Yasa Durant, Arlington, Hambright, Josh Hammond, Kevin Harris, Brad Hawkins, Oil,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Jordan Humphrey, Cam mcgron, Bill Murray, Trey Nixon, Jeremiah Farms,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Lebrian Ray, Cody Russey, Will Sherman, Matt Sokel, JJ Taylor,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Tristan Viscayano, Nope, Nate Wheland, No Wildland. Not sure about
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: that one, Jayland, Weidermeyer, Yes, a pledge pin Hey, Henry
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Anne person is I said on IR and I believe
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he has reached a settlement. Christian Wilkerson also on IR
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Um justin Bethel, No you say no, no, no, we
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: had we had a good thing go no, okay, James
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Ferns yes, Harvey Longi yes, Terrence Mitchell yes, okay. And
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the only other roster related thing is Daniel Equality is
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: suspended for the first two games, so he does not
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: count on the fifty three man roster. Huh okay, so
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: he is. He was placed on reserve suspended list by
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the team, so he doesn't even have to make the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: roster initially, he just automatically, Well they did. They retained him.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: They did retain him because that's what the reserve suspended
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: list means. Um. But no. I mean they could two
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: weeks could go by and they could say, well, okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: well we're not going to activate you. He's gotta go.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I just feel like if you're a player like that
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: on the bubble, like couldn't you just like, man, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: just gotta get busted for steroids and get a couple
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: games suspension so that I can kind to the roster.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like, speaking of the suspensions, Josh Gordon
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: made a practice squad, Oh did he? Yeah? I forget
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: when signed him, but he's he's on somebody's practice sorry.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: When he leave Kansas City, was that who who got
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: rid of him? Yeah. Yeah, they had nothing but good
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: things to say about what he did off the field.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He's just he's just h yeah, he's just not the same.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: He's not that guy in twenty You're not that guy.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: You're not that guy anymore. Matt, Did I do that one? Right?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you? He could be one of that gets into
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: my could have been coffee book. Yeah right, you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: opportunity missed. And then I mean, just why did he
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: lose the He just wasn't even close to the same
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: player when he was here, Like there was no I mean,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: he's a big guy. He had a couple of flashes,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: but he just wasn't dynamic like he was before. Just
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: lost that explosion that he had, that that straightaway speed
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that just never really seemed to show up. He was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: more of a contested receiver by the time he got here. Ye.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So that's the roster, as you know, and it will change. Um,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: this isn't set in stone now. There'll be movements on
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: an off the practice squad. They'll be guys cut down
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the road, the running backs probably maybe worth a little
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: bit more, you know, just discussion with the Montgomery uncertainty,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: with James White retiring, I mean, I wrote about it today.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Just it felt like going into camp you had a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: really good group of young guys and some veterans you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: brought in. I mean, I don't want to make too
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: big of a deal out of replacing Brandon Bolden, but
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, at least you had that kind of reliable
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: veteran there as a third back, because you know, Stevenson
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and Harris were kind of in and out of the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: lineup last year. It was, you know, it didn't really
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: have both of them until you know, certain points in
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the season. I forget exactly when, but I don't know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It's just it feels like now you're kind of just
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: going in with those two guys again. It's a little
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: bit weird. Not in neither of the rookies really really
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: hoping that Montgomery would be this year's Bolden. Yeah, maybe
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: even a little better. Oh me too. It seemed like
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: he was headed for that for sure, you know, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they retained peer Strong, but but cut Cavin Harris. How
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: does that play out? I mean, did they see something
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and Strong is he going to be able to do? Yeah?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly put the all the ground twice. We can't have it. Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I was underwhelmed with both running backs. I thought there
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was some flashes every once in a while. I know
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Pierre Strong can run. I honestly didn't really see it
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: on the practice field the way I saw it with
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: some other guys. I thought Mack Wilson his speed showed
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: up on the practice field as compared to some of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the other linebackers. Obviously Thornton compared to the other wide receivers,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: his speed showed up. I didn't think Strong looked any
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: quicker or faster than the other running backs. Yeah, I mean,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like we had a little bit of an
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: impression made upon us by Ramandre last year in practice
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of just his kind of unique way that he sighed
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and the way he moves. But the only thing that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: popped about Kevin Harris was his thighs. I thought, I think,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think Kevin Harris can be between the tackles option. Yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know at some point, you know, obviously, Fred You're right,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I mean the ball security thing. And again I know
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: people are like, well he was down by contact, Like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: build doesn't care, and he's right not to care. Like
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you going to leave that up to the judgment of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the reff. You need to you need to finish the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: play with the ball, right, and when you get I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, ten touches, fifteen touches during the course of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the summer, and the ball doesn't end in your hands
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. That's don't like the play ends
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: when you hand the ball to the reff right. Yeah, well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: now that I mean to connect that to JJ Taylor,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: who had, you know, similar issues when you got into
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the vegul of the season. You know, is he gonna
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: be a call up? Is he gonna play? Are they
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: gonna trust him to play a significant role, like without
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: bolding in the mix? Are they just gonna go with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: those two guys because it seems like the direction of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the offense we talked about it doesn't seem like we
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: need a pure third down back. We need, you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: just guys who can do multiple things. Jake Bailey will
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be kicking off. I assume probably, okay, I would assume.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably a sound okay. Jake Bailey. His
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: parents were there in Vegas every day they came down.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I was not sure where he's from exactly, but they were.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But they were in attendance multiple days down in Vegas.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Nice and of course Nick Folk remains the kicker keep
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: on going. Yeah, the Angels, Nick Folk. So my Jonathan
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Jones thought, and I wish I could credit someone because
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I heard this on the radio yesterday and I don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: know if it's accurate, but the thought was that this
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: whole Jonathan Jones on the outside thing isn't really Jonathan
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Jones on the outside. It's Miami specific because they have
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: two smaller lightning quick receivers and Waddle and Hill, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you know, assuming one of them is going to be
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: on the outside at you know, at at times. Because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're just gonna say that's the thing.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: There's no one good enough to say you just do this.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to scheme the hell out of it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But like, as an example, Pittsburgh in Week two is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: going to bring Deontay Johnson in the slot with Chase
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Claypool and maybe Pickens on the outside. Think, I don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna I don't think you're gonna have Jonathan
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Jones on the outside against Chase Claypool, right, You'll have
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: him in the slot against Deontay Johnson. I think unlikely.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting point, But I would also wonder,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like then can't you just bust out out into game
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: planning and then do you have a specific plan of
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a backup? Especially? I mean, I would have thought it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: would have been Mitchell just by default as a veteran.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think maybe they like what they've
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: seen a Jack Jones. Yeah, so that's it. It could
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be you know, I don't know, it's it's tough to say,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Miles Bryant, but but really this this this practice squad
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is a taxi squad. Yeah, you know, they can pull
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: guys up and down as they need. And so I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: think a Terrence Mitchell will play this year. Oh I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: think you'll play, Hell, I think you'll play. I don't.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's a good thing, but I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: think you will. But yeah, there'll be certain games where
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know what this is, I'm gonna steal
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a fred fred is M. Do you need to run
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to them, I'll steal a fred is M. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think if Terrence Mitchell has to get elevated off
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the practice squad, it probably means the rookies aren't ready. Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Like I would love to see Jack Jones and Marcus
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Jones take roles, right away in the defense. I know
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that's probably unrealistic. You know, I'm you know, I'm not
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm not I'm not gonna tell you those guys
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: they clearly aren't ready. They're busts. No, like third and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: fourth round picks don't generally just step into the NFL,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and especially at that position and dominate. I mean, that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that's asking a lot. Do we have an SID No
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to the last time there were three guys in the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: same position group with the same last name. I don't know.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Definitely an SID fact. Yes, I'm surprised. Well,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be nice. I'm trying. I'm trying to be different,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: all right, trying to be different, not not my regular
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: continkerus self, all right. Eight five five five hundred is
• 25:40
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• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Dot com is the email address. Yeah, I just thought,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt about it, Fred, you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get a chance to talk about it much.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was the least surprising round of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: cuts that we've had in several years. Like, Yeah, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: did roster. I did a roster projection about eight days
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: before Coutts, and I missed five guys, Like, that's not
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys to miss that far out. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: had I done it that morning, I would have only
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: missed three guys. Yeah, because I had sort of rethought.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I would have missed Sean Wade, Terrence Mitchell, that was
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: one that I missed. I would have missed Kevin Harris
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: either way, because I thought they were going to keep
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: all five of the backs, and Chason Hines I didn't
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: know like he I don't know if he had done enough.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But you know, by the time Cutts rolled around, it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was pretty apparent to Marcus Mitchell was going to make it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And I think the writing was on the wall at
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Devnasiassi when he wasn't able to play against the Raiders. Yeah,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that was like sort of a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: last chance there for him. So I think overall they
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: only had one guy that was claimed off waivers. I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: don't think you lost a lot out of like impact
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: players and around the cuts, and I don't think there
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: was anything that was overly surprising. Yeah, all right, eight
• 27:08
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• 27:10
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• 27:14
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• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Because of the premiere tonight, the locker room is moved
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: up significantly to day. So as soon as the locker
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: room duties are done, he'll come back and then he'll
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: bounce out again for practice. Uh, and then he'll be
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: back again so uh, and then I will Alex be
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: joining us, as I believe the plan is for them
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to be in the locker room and hopefully come come
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: back and give us a flat you know, like what's
• 27:40
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• 27:42
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• 27:45
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• 27:48
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• 29:38
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• 29:40
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• 29:43
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• 29:52
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• 29:54
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• 30:01
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• 30:05
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• 30:07
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• 30:10
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• 30:12
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• 30:14
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  Speaker 1: So um, yeah, it's we're here. We're finally here. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: don't know, did it seem like a long offseason or
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a short offseason to you, Paul, I don't know. I
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: always feel like they go by so fast, especially the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: summer part. I think, you know a lot of times,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like the the March April can kind of drag a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: little bit and then all of a sudden it gets
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• 30:56
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• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I looked on my watch and had a side September first,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like to me once, I you know, well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: for us, once training camp starts, our summer is over.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: But like you know, the mark at the end of
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: summer for me always is the end of the longest Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I agree. I'll be putting the cover on the pool soon. Yeah. Yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: there ain't no going back. Matt stinks at a hot tub,
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• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to the A sticket outline. Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: So I was looking at the top ten concerns that
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the Deuce posted and I was just my question is
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: which concern was he? Like, is the number one the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: most concerning? Or is the number ten the most concerning?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You have to ask him. I don't want to speak
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, I don't know if they were ranked.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he ranks. I don't know if
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: we k Yeah, what's your touch? Yeah, the offense, I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: really was going into the season. I predicted, like I said,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: ten and seven. I said they're going to go ten
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and seven this year based on how strong that offense was,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and they just they're not. Yeah, they're not is what
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I thought they were. And I'm kind of concerned that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they might have played around with it too much or
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: made too many changes, and it just doesn't it's not gonna.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll back you up and I'll get a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: little bit more granular concern point of emphasis, you know, highlight,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. It's Mac. It's Mac.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: How is Mac gonna be in year two? You know
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he does seem jittery, Well he did in that last game.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Well we'll see, you know, Like I said it last show.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: When it comes to the offense and the defense, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm looking at. I don't know what
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at yet, and I won't know what I'm
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: looking at until the first couple regular season games when
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you're playing for real, you know, real tackling, real hitting,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: real game planning, you know, scheming for the game. Then
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: we'll get it. We'll all have a better idea of
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: what we're looking at. But right now, I have no
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: idea what I'm looking at. You know, yeah, I think
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I have to agree with that. It just it seems
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like it's it seems like it's a it's a change
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that's going to have to take some time to get
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: used to. So I'm thinking that maybe in these first
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: four games we might go God bless if we had
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: two and two, But you know, we might go one
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and three. But then the schedule kind of gets a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: little easier, and I can see us just start building momentum,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and I kind of that's my hope for the season
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: is the team builds momentum as it moves forwards. Everybody
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: gets more in sync and they find the niche for
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: where they need to be and that, you know, we
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: get some success out of it. And that's kind of
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: my take on the season. Anyway, great show, guys that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep listening. Zolac has been saying they're
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: going to go two and Oh, they're gonna win their
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: first two games, and then they always and they have to.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: They have to win those first two games. But so
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they have to. Yeah, I don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: know if he's guaranteeing that they're gonna win two games
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: or he just thinks it's there. No, you know what,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: he actually used the words, and he used them right
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: after the Raiders game. There must wins. Yeah, I don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: really buy that. I mean, I think we saw last
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: year that they started two and four and they were
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: able to bounce out of that. Now, I'm not telling
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you that that's ideal. That's the way you want to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: do it all the time. It's build yourself a big
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: hole and rip off a long winning streak. I think
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it's hard to do that now. Todd's right, after those
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: four games, I think, you know, in some order, it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Detroit in Chicago and Cleveland without Wattson, you know, so there,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I think the next four it's certainly plausible that you
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: win all four. Yeah, you know, but I think it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: just as plausible that you lose the first four. So
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I it's it's not going to be easy. And then,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: unlike last year, you don't have any you know, unless
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: something happens with with with a stretch of those game
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: games that stretch drive from Thanksgiving on. That's what I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: looking at. I want to see does the team play
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: better at the end of the year, because it's been
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of years now since we've seen that, Right,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it used to be the calling card. The last three
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: years it hasn't been its And it won't be easy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It won't be easy to finish strong. With the schedule
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that they have. It's you know, like the soft teams,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the non playoff teams. It's like at Minnesota on Thanksgiving night,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that game, I don't think that will be an easy game,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and that's a tough spot because they've got two Thursday
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: night games in a row. Yeah, well, you're looking at
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it and you're like, but that actually helps because then
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you don't have you know, one of them's not you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, one of them is not a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: short week. You could have two Thursday night games and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: at different times of the year and they both be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: on short weeks at least it's Thursday to Thursday, right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: But that but the other one is Buffalo, Like to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you a point, So you got Buffalo twice, Minnesota, Cincinnati,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I think Miami, that's not going to be an easy
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: stretch of games to finish with down the stretch, no,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So but that's what I'm looking at. Can they can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: they sort of reverse that trend even if they don't
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: have a great year, Let's say they finished nine and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: eight or eight and nine or something like that, but
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: down the stretch, instead of getting you know, two games
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: against Buffalo where you don't even force a punt, you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: maybe you split those two games or you know, much
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: more competitive in the two games, right than you were
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a last year defensively anyway, because because the first game
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the day after Christmas, that was a competitive game, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they couldn't stop the Bills offense. You know, I think
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: everyone's hoping that the worst cases, Yeah, they didn't have
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that greatest season record wise, but it's evident that they're
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: not far away. And I think you hit the nail
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: on the head, Freddie. You're focusing on mac Jones, right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you know? Is is he showing signs of developing? Right?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I care less about the results. I know that Bill
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: chastises us for being completely result oriented, but that's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: results that I'm looking at. Is him right? How does
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: he look? And I agree with the way Todd said it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: He has looked a little frazzled. And the two the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: two preseason games that he played, he wasn't sharp. Yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and we and you know you kind of predicted it earlier, Paul, like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: no matter what happens, he won't get the blame. You're
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: hearing it, right, I know. You know, have you heard
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: anybody say Max not playing well? Right? Well? Or or
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Max not playing well? What do you expect? This is
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: what they did to him? Yeah? Well I have heard that,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: but I've also heard you know, it's particularly in that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: last game people criticized him, Um, well, he played badly game,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and so we have to be careful like what's his
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: fault and what's not his fault? You know? But like
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: a good quarterback, you know, can make an offensive line
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: look better. They can make the people around them look better.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be part of his job, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: is yeah, And this is like part of what I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: was saying with the whole Well, if you give him
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a clean pocket to step up in and you allow
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: him a chance of throw, and the guys get open
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and you have a good running again. So what do
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I need you for? Right again? Right? If if the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: other ten guys are dominating, I could just put anybody
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: back there and he'll be serviceable, right right. You need
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a guy who can make I need a guy who's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: gonna make those guys look better. You know, I have
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: my snarky thing about the offensive line that I do
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to you all the time, right, yeah, you need an
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: offensive line except for like Cincinnati at the worst offensive
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: line in football and they went to the super Bowl,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and the year before Kansas City at the worst offensive
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: line in football and they went to the I know
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it's a snarky like, and I know you need a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: better offensive line play than with the Patriots have had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: so far this summer, But there's some truth to it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: When you're good enough, you lift that offensive line that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: struggles and you make it look better than it is.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And Tom Brady I think did that for twenty years. Yeah,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: if you're running around and your old line doesn't know
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: where you are, they're trying to block a guy, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it turns out like you run right into the guy
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: they're trying to block and makes the old line look bad.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But to be fair, it's not always there. All Um,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So it's Mac, It's Mac, and it's Mac. Yeah, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: then we can talk about the rest. I want to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: see him looking more comfortable. Yeah, absolutely, all right, five
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: past five hundred eight. Ticket Hotline web Radio at pagris
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: dot com is the email address. Um Chris writes in,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and he's from Toronto. Nice city, by the way, ever
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: been I have never been a very cosmopolitan the Torontonians. Now,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I've never been to Nice. Nice take if you ever
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: want to go. I think I've been to Quebec. Well,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Quebec is a big place, Um, Mount Orford skiing, Sure,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's the only time I've been to Canada.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: First time reaching out, But have gotten into your show
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in local takes over the last year and got hooked
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Paul's direct way of delivering his opinion is also a plus.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, you're very direct. See we get
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to get that on that the survey there that the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: ninety eight point five survey. Quick question, do you think
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: there is a clock on Mac this year? Based on
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the preseason and training camp reviews, it looked like he's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: having trouble getting comfortable with the system and coaches. Is
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: there a clock? I'm not sure I understand well doing
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: does he have an internal clock on when he has
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the ball or do you think
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his time running out on? Well, it could be. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: read it as how long do you give him before
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you say, you know what, we need a quarterback? Oh
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, that was the second part of what
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I meant. I don't think we're there. I think he
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I think you stopped doing that kind of an evaluation
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: after this season. Ye Like, if it doesn't go well,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: when he doesn't look good, then I think you have
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to wonder. All right, I'll give you one Freddy, Okay,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he's a good one. That's going to send you into orbit.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Somebody who works with us, I'm not going to mention names,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: believes that this is a team that has a chance
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to finish with a top five draft pick. So let's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: just say top ten. Okay, Okay, if that happens. So
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: let's say they go six and eleven. Do you draft
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a quarterback next year? Supposedly it's a deep draft for quarterbacks. Again,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna hate me for this, but like,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: why were they six and eleven? You can't be good
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: at quarterback if you're six and eleven. What if they's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what if they have a top five offense? The defense stinks? Okay,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you know what you could like Deshaun Watson. Okay, Yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: let's assume it's not that kind of a performance. You're right,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. You could lose a bunch of thirty
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: eight thirty five games and have a bad record because
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: your defense just can't stop anybody. Let's assume it's just
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a run of the mill six and eleven team where
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: your quarterback doesn't play well, your defense doesn't even nothing
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: really looks good, and you lose a lot of games.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Would you draft a quarterback if you had a top
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: ten pick next year? If it's a guy, I like, yes,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I think you have to talk about it. Yeah, I mean,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: obviously you're not going to reach it draft someone you
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: don't like. You hope that you don't always have that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: opportunity unity, So when you do have that opportunity, you
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: have to consider it. You have to look at it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You have to make a hard decision, you know. And
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: even if even if we draft this guy and it
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: turns out that Mac turns it around and we can't
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: use the guy, you know, Okay, so he was a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: top five draft pick, top ten draft pick, you get
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: rid of him, you know. But I think I agree,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like I said, you can't you hope that you don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: have that opportunity every year. I think that's a good
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: way to put it. Like, you're not going to be,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: especially with Belichick, Like you're not going to be in
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the top ten a lot because even if you have
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an average roster, he's gonna probably find a way to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: beat the similarly average to below average teams. Ye right, Yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Like a team like the Jets last year, I don't
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: know what they wanted. They win three or four games,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're probably not winning many more
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: games than they should, right because they had the Jets, right,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: they had a first year coach, they have a really
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: young roster. Bill's going to find a way to win
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: all of the games against teams that are similar to him. Yep.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And in that league, it's gonna get you around seven
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: or eight wins and you're not going to be in
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the top ten. I see what they did with Cam Newton. Yeah, yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you know they went seven and nine. H Dana, Virginia
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and Michigan. Which cut this week was the most surprising
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: for each of you. Um, you know what, believe it
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: or not. I think Bledsoe he didn't get cut. Well, yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: he got cut and put on the prom he did
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: not get cut. Oh he's on the roster. Who am
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I thinking of? I don't know. Oh Bethel justin Bethel,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: probably at Bethel. Um, yeah, I would say either him.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I really just either him with Kevin Harris. Yeah, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you know Bethel, because you know, Bethel's probably the most
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: he is a good special teamer. And I was surprised
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that he got cut. But yeah, I was a little
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: surprised there too. Um. Keeping with the cut down theme,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: could each of you name a reason why you would
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: make a Bill Belichick team or a reason why you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: would be cut. For example, some of the reasons we've
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: heard for Belichick keeping people are versatility, being a leader
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in college, watching a lot of film, and being smart.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Some of the reasons we've heard for Belichick not keeping
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: people are repeating errors, freelancing, being late, and taking smack
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and talking smack about other teams. Which aspects like this
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: have you demonstrated in real life? I don't know. Yeah,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean I would get cut because I'm a malcontent.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I would always be questioning why we're doing something like
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: right now. If I was on the offense, I'd be saying,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: why don't we have an offensive coordinator? And they would say, Um,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: leave your key at the door. You can you can
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: go now, Like my computer is giving me trouble. Oh okay,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: so now don't run in here. It's just the touchscreen
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: is not working. That happens to mine everyone. So what
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is the deal with that? When that happens, Matt, I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just lift it off the keyboard and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: put it back on the keyboard. The keyboard detaches. Oh okay,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Oh it's actually a tablet. Okay, because that happens to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: me on post game shows a lot. My my little
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: pen stops working. You have to like click it all
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the time. Uh, Mark and clarology, Freddie, that's why Bill's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: always checking him around on the sideline. Love our Microsoft
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: surfaces though, oh we love we love our surface tablets.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this means, Um Paul Carter or
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: GG Hamilton, I'm a luke something gig kidd. And if
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you lost your entire offense coaching staff, how many games
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: would you win? He's up on Bill, go pads. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: don't have no idea. They lost their entire offense. If
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you lost your entire offensive coaching staff, how many games
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: would you win? But that was I don't know what
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it was their fault. Oh, I see what he's saying.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Like he's saying, if you lost how if you lost
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: all your coach but like if you did how many? Yeah? Yeah?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: The thing that he that that's missing in that is
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: he choose, he chose not to replace them, right like yeah,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: whatever he's up on, Billy says um Nate Northeast Pennsylvania.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Just read Schefter's tweet on the Twitter machine. Did you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: guys hear our buddy Nikil Harry is on ir No.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I knew he was going there. He has a serious injury. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it's too bad for him, too bad, for him, Ben
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and Marilyn um wish I could call in, but I can.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: As you know, the Patriots now have thirteen rookies on
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: their roster, but still have the second oldest roster in
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Do you guys view this as a problem, Well,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, you got Hoyer, you got Slater, you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: got mccordy, who kind of skew it right. No, No,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: if you take out their top four guys in age,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: their ninth, ninth oldest, who's old that's gonna play? Well,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care who plays. Who's young, that's gonna play
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange and he's not that young, Mac, he's young, Okay?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Who more Stevenson, Damian Harris, Samian Harris not young? Fourth year? Okay?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I consider that he's not old like middle of it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He's still on his first contract. Right, But this is
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: what makes you one of the oldest teams in the league.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You don't, you don't have I know, but first contract
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: guys are young. I consider them. Okay, so we'll call
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: him young. Okay, Yeah, Jalen Mills, Matt Judon, you got
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the Jones Brothers, Hunter, Henry Johno Smith. Are those guys young? No?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But you can't have everybody on your phone. But I'm
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: just saying they don't have a young roster. They have
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the second oldest team in the league by average age.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: They did an exercise on this, your boy, I believe
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it was Tucker Poynton yea, eliminated the top four Hoyer,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Slater mccordy. Who's the fourth one, horyor Slater mccordy. Um,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: they have a fourth thirty something year old folk folk.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Eliminating those four, they would go to ninth. Now that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it's not being tabulated by eliminated everybody else's for oldest players, right,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: because that to me is apples to apples, Like if
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: you eliminate Tom Brady from Tampa, where did they go?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Tampa's the oldest roster in the league, right right, So
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: my guess is Tampa would still be the oldest team
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: without Tom Brady. And right on down the line, they
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: have ten. A lot of people will like they're embracing
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a youth movement. They have ten rookies, not really like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: they have. Cole Strange will start. I think the Jones
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Boys will play. Yeah, right, we'll see about Thornton. He's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: on IR. That doesn't really count yet I think he'll
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: play a little bit at some point. You get a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: couple of special teamers in Schooler in Mitchell, but you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they're still on its first contract. Okay, they have some
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: young guys fred, but overall their roster is the second
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: oldest in the league. To I have to look at it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I think there's a technicality there. Yeah, it's called a No,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I think I think. I don't think they're as old
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: as they've been in the past. They're older than they
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: were last year. And I'll tell you another thing that
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: makes them a little older. Yes, they have ten rookies.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Their rookies are all older than normal rookies. That's true.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: They did they have a twenty five year old rookie
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: in Jack Jones. They drafted some fish in a lot
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of twenty four year old guys. Yeah, but okay, no,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, Like, so we're saying that that's
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: what's using right, But let me look at that. Is
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it like, oh, they're average ages twenty eight point six
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and everybody else is twenty eight point three, twenty eight
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: point two. You know, really, so that's like saying you're
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: good at running the ball or you're bad at running
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the ball. You know what the difference is, like point
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: two yards per game. Like, it's not like one team
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: one team averages you know, five point two yards per
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: carry and you know the tenth grade team averages two
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: point one yards per carry. No, it's it's it's a
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: lot closer than that. Yes, you're right, Fred, Like their
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: average age is like twenty six and change, and the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: oldest is like twenty six and change, right, and a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: tent is probably twenty six and change. Like, I get it,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But but it's apples to apples. It's the average age,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I know. But the fifty three man roster for all
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: thirty two teams. Yeah, but I don't think it means anything.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I think it means unless it's, like, you know, really
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a wide disparage. I just would say that in general.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Nothing in general to me, I don't understand why you're
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: fixating on the disparity because if it's if it's apples
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to apples, it's it's the same for everybody. But it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: an average age for everybody, I understand. But when it
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: when it comes to age, if it's like decimal points,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Okay, if they were the youngest would
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: you say it mattered, not if it's decimal points? Well,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: what is decimal points? And what I'm saying is like
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: if the average age for the Patriots for thirty and
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that was like two years older than every other But
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: what stat is like? That is what I'm asking you.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: What what what stat has a variance of like and
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: a significant amount of saying that age is not in
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the same category that running passing. It's not the same. Okay, Well,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: would what would you think would be a characteristic of
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: one of the oldest rosters in the league. What would
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: be a character What would you think of a team
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that was one of the oldest teams in the league
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that has a lot of like guys on second and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: third contract, Would you think they're good? I don't know
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: if I would. I would think the older the roster,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the better the team because they're they're poised to win.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know my Tampa is the number one team,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: but I believe when the Patriots had believe, I believe
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the top five is all teams that had winning record slash.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It depends on who they are. You have to look
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: at it in contact, you know, Like I said, when
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: it was Gronk and Brady Edelman, you know, mccordy Slater
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: right in twenty and eighteen, I think they probably had
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: an old roster. Yeah, but they won the Super Bowl, right,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you know so? But I'm right now, I don't think
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of people think they have a roster that's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: capable of competing for a Super Bowl. But but yet
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: it's in the top five. Bet you back then they
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: were there was a bigger disparity, because I'll bet you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. I'll bet you the disparity between average age
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: is very similar. I don't think it. I think you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: have to look at who the players are and then
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: take it from that. It's like if you have a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: bunch of old players, I don't think they have a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: lot of young players that are going to be major contributors.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: They have a handful. I don't think they have a lot. Well,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that's the thing we have to find out because if
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: they're not, if they don't get contributing impact from those
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: young players, they're not going to be good. That's what
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: we're waiting to see. Can the Jennings play well, Can
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Ouche play well? Right? You know, then I would say
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if that happens, then I would say
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Yeah, that you have a gunner who's
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: thirty five and a kicker who's thirty six, I would
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: agree with you. But I think people are looking at
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and say, oh, the Patriots are old, they're not going
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to be good. No, and you're saying the opposite, No,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: they're not. I don't think anybody's saying they're old, they're
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: not going to be good. People are saying they're not
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: good in they're old. Yeah, that's not a good combination.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think like there's a difference there. I don't
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: think they're that old. Honestly, they're old. Yeah, I mean
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really understand how you can say otherwise. Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I mean if you if you go down the roster,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the number of people who have you know that are
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: you know, like where you used to like Edelman Grant,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: those guys were old. They were old. You know, they
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: were like in their eighth ninth year in the league.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: That's old. If you're in your first contract, that's that's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: not old. They don't have a ton of guys that
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: are major contributors in their first contract. Yeah, but that's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: what they have a few but they're gonna have guys
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: in their first contracts that are gonna play. But I don't.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: But I think you're missing the point about like age
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: in terms of outlook. I don't think anybody thinks they're
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: not going to be good because they're old. I don't
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: think anybody thinks that. I think some people, I think
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Tampa is the oldest roster in football. I don't think
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: anybody thinks they're not going to be good because they're old. Well,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I think that some people are saying, Oh, they said
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get younger, and now they're still the second
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: oldest team in the league. You know, Yeah, that's I mean,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that's largely true. Yeah. Well, I think that they're trying
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: to rebuild. I think that's accurate. This is where I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: agree with you on your on your part, like, I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: think it can be deceiving because of where the players
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that are old are. Ye, Like, if you have like
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: a star wide receiver who's aging and a star defensive
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: end who's aging, Like if you have like Julio Jones
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and Von Miller, Right, you guys, that's that's like, that's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: different than Matthew Slater and Nick Folks exactly. That I
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: agree with you exactly, Like I'm fully on board with you. Yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: but but I just I just disagree with Like I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: think that people aren't saying they can't be good because
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: they're old. I think people are saying they're not good
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and they're old. Wow. The people, you know, the haters,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the people that don't think that they have anything. Sure,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And Mike just stormed into the radio studio. Yeah, Mike,
• 54:52
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• 54:53
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• 54:55
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• 1:05:22
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• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: are they not? They are? But I'm saying that as
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: someone whose mattress came from a box at Costco and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I just pulled it out, and well, you're right. I mean,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I think if why no, no, I think, if you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: don't weigh a lot the mattress, the mattress doesn't matter
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: that much. It's only when you're heavy, you know. Is
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it a temper pedic. It's a temper pedic, because he's sweet.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: What kind of bed does it call? It's a temper
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: pedic right, probably, Yeah, does it go up and down
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: to they have like controls on it, told the old
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: person adjustable bed. No, but he can change the TV
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: channels with his butt cheeks so it didn't have to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: his arms. Yeah, yes, pam oh Jos song. That's another
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: great moment from all right back here on Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: eight five five pats five hundred deuce back from practice
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the locker room, Yeah, we're here from joke Jacobe Myers.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: He went up and spoke at the podium, little talk
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: of of last year of the opening against Miami, letting
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: that one get away a little bit, how mistakes can
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: kind of come back to bite in. Then yeah, I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: made my way into the locker room to Von Godchild
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit obviously played in Miami. So excited
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: to go back down there. But yeah, mostly players kind
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: of starting to get ready to go out to practice,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: which I will will join them here in a few minutes.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: But a little bit weird going in before practice. They
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: were certainly surprised to see us in there, and they
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: came walking through the door like what who was? There
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of media in there. There was there was
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: a good chunk a lot of cameras, a lot of cameras,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: so um, you know, getting built up for next week.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Then it all gets going. But it's been kind of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: a weird, a little bit weird being back in the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: locker room. But because also nice, um, I don't know
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: next week's schedule, but we know they're leaving on Tuesday.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Will there be availability on Monday? Maybe that's a I mean, yeah,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of probably anticipating that maybe in the afternoon
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: like usual, there will be because we'll we hear we're
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: TV stars, we gotta shoot you on TV. That'll be
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: it for this week for availability. So if there isn't,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: then you have to go down to Miami to talk
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: to them, right, that could be it. That's a good point.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Stocking up on the footage. There's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: probably plenty of devon Gatcha and that was slowing down
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: when I get out, so we thought that far in advance,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: by the way, in terms of our coverage, Yeah, what
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: we got what we're gonna be covering availability. Oh yeah,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, we'll have a We're good, We'll
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: have an Okay, we'll have a good quarter down there.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Ye uh. Tony writes in while watching NFL Live this
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: week and discussing the Cowboys, it occurred to me that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: in terms of a GM, the glory hole man has
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: been better than the goat coach, perhaps much better in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: terms of acquiring draft capital. Of course, Dallas hasn't won anything,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: but maybe the blame there is on his coach hiring.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: See I've said that for many years. Yeah, I think
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of people criticize Jerry Jones, and they said, well,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: he's two hands on, he's he wants to be the GM,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: and he picks the players. And I always said, like,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: when was the last time you said, Dallas, you know, overachieved,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Like you always say they underachieved, So you always think
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: they have more talent than they get. The problem is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: he doesn't pick the right coach, and his overbearing nature
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: makes it hard to get a good coach. I think
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I think he's always sort of forced to settle for
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: the Jason Garretts and the Mike McCarthy's of the world.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Well what if he doesn't pick the right players? No,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I think he Again, I don't think many people feel
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: that way. I don't think many people feel like they
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: won't win because they have Ceedee Lamb and Dak Prescott,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: like Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard, like they don't win
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: because they don't ever put it all together. The Patriots
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: need talent, young talent, but they lacked the twenty four
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: to twenty eight year old prime of career talent it
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: takes to win. I know it might be a popularity poll,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots didn't get one player in the NFL
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Network's top one hundred players. And I can't argue with that.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Yes they did, they got two. No, that was NFL Networks,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: not ESPNS, he said. I thought he said ESPNS because
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't get any an ESPN's top hundred. Who shows
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: that one? I don't know. I think it was coaches, GMS,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: personnel guys. But I don't hold me on that guy, Jones,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: because I don't really feel you know, as you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I don't really care about any of those kinds of lists.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Um to Fred's point about the whole twenty four to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: twenty eight I think you have a chance because I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: think last year's draft, the top three picks contribute last year.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Now you have a draft where I think you have
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: a chance for the top four pat picks to contribute.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: We'll see strange Thornton Jones Jones, right, Ye, so if
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you start to do that, you have Dugger from a
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: few years ago. Now you have to sign some of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: these guys should their second contract. That was Fred's point,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Like Damian Harris, I don't know if he's going to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: get a second contract. Like this is the other thing
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: that I think greatly changes your viewpoint right right now,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Like Isaiah Wynn is all right, it was an okay
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: first round pick, yeah, you know you got and then
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: they don't resign him, and it was like a bust. No,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Like it just goes from this to this because they
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: don't resign him. I think if you if you pick
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Alignment in the first round and he doesn't stay with you,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: that is it's a wasted pick on your part. I know.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: But I don't you think that that's where we're headed? Yes, yeah,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: so like yes, so I don't have to wait. I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: can tell you I think that was a bad pick.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: It was a bad pick. Yeah, you think Dugger gets resigned.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that's even up in the air
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: now too. I think Dugger is going to be contingent
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: on the rest of that group. Right now, that is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: a great group of safeties right well, at some point
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: it's got to end. From a quartery. Adrian Phillips has
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: another year, a couple of years. I think, yeah two
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: sign the extension last year, so I'm not sure exactly,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: but I think he's got okay. So Adrian Phillips will
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: be back. Jabrill Peppers is on a one year deal.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: If he plays well, he's gone, right unless they just
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: love him and he loves them and they work out
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: some extension during the seat. And I don't know who knows,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: but I think there's a chance that you really need
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Dugger because I think there could be some turnover there.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: They want Phillips and Dugger going forward, maybe with Bledsoe
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: in the wings. This is where Mike and I were
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: talking Freddie and you want things to be sort of
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: excited about or encouraged by for the future. That's what
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: it is like, That's what they used to do all
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the time. Like a guy like Bledsoe, he looks like
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: he might be able to play a little on defense.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think he will this year, but he looks
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: like a guy that if you lose Peppers and Phillips
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: and Dugger, you know, with some combination of those three,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: we could yeah, we could feel this guy in he
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: could play. Whereas you know, in the past, you haven't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: really had any of these draft picks developing, like you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: had to go out and spend fifty five million dollars
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: on two tight ends because the two third round tight
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: ends you drafted didn't look like they were going to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: be able to do it. Right now, I think that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: you have some guys that have been drafted. You know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: might you in two years from now be able to say,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe next year you say thank you Lawrence guy.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe in two years you say thank you Davin Gadcha,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: and you have Sam Roberts, a late round draft pick
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: that looks really athletic and kind of intriguing. You know, maybe,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe that's the way it works. That's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the way it worked for a lot of the first
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: fifteen years of the dynasty. It hasn't worked that way
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: over the last say, six or seven years now, and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're always chasing it. Where you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: two years ago, when we were talking about drafting JC
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Horn and a cornerback and now we get to this
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: year and we're like, now we need the corner. Last
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: year talking a little bit about a tackle as a
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: potential pick in the first Net round and now not
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you know, no offense to cold strange, but what you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: wouldn't give to have, you know, another tackle in the pipeline.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: And I just I think you can point to so
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: many specific instances, whether it was like Matt Light to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Solder or you know, Shane Vereen going to James White
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: or you know where where they had a plan in
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: place where these guys are probably gonna leave that hasn't
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: existed lately. And I think you're you got a good point, Paul,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: with the safeties now where it feels almost like, well
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: we have everything now with the safeties. You've got an
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: old guy, you got a young guy, you've got a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: free agent. You've got a lot of differs. They haven't
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: drafted well, right, But I do think there are signs.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to tell you that they had great tasts.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's gotten the signs of the last two drafts, yep,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: look pretty good. Yeah, it's gotten better, but you know,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and Nury's still out on a lot of it. But
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: but the other part. I've had that four or five
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: year stretch where it wasn't good. Oh yeah, and that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: hurt them. You go back to like her. They had
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: thirteen was it fifteen players they took in the top
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: three rounds from was it seventeen through twenty one, and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: they basically have two hits out of those thirteen players.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: You know Dugger and Damien Harris. Yeah, and maybe you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: know Jerry out a little bit on Anfredy Jennings, maybe
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: he has something this year, maybe a little bit with
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: j But I think those guys, those are the kind
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: of guys that are now getting a chance to play,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: whereas you know, maybe if they had played last year,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: you would know a little bit better. He has the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: problem now because now let's say those guys knock off
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the rust in a guy like Jennings's case, because he
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: hasn't played at all and you got to suffer through
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: some growing pains in year three. Then all of a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: sudden he comes in year four. He's like, oh, he's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: a pretty good player, and you're probably gonna lose him. That's,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: you know, to me, the tough part, because you can't
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: resign everybody. Some guys are gonna get blown away in
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: free agency and you're gonna lose him. So that's the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: thing that if you can get some young players and
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: you can stack years and get two or three years
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: out of a young player, and then you have a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: decision to make as opposed to, well he really only
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: did it for a year, or do we repay this guy?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I'd love to see some extensions.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's definitely a feature, as Fred said,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: missing on the draft picks. There haven't been guys to
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: extend Phillips being you know, an exception they didn't draft.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: But you know, I would love to see some of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: those guys because could somebody earn an extension this year.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It's just like you know, that tells you when they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: have one of those guys. They just have not been
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: many Jonathan Jones, Shack Mason, but yeah, a lot of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: guys that they've they've made an effort to retain. Yeah,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: and I don't think that The really telling thing is
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: when you look at all those guys and when they left,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: none of those guys have really done anything. I mean,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: j C. Jackson is to me a rarity over the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: last three or four years. Guys that, you know, young
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: guys that have left for free agency that were highly coveted. Yeah,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: tun Tuny's another one. Tuny's another one. They should have
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: never they screwed up Tuny, I think so. Yeah. I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: found myself watching Cole String and just feeling like he
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: looked similar to Tuney, just for body type and you know,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: kind of his way he gets down his dance and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I just found myself wondering, like what happened? Like, you know,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: it's just there's been so many missus recently. You had
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: a guy and I know he's a guard and that's all.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: You know, no offense to the cards out there, but
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I think they inflated his worth by giving him. They
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: had two really good guards that they paid through the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: nose for and it just didn't really make sense, No,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: but they inflated his worth by giving him that tag.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I think they could have kept him just,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: you know, figure something out, extend him, Like how did
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Mankins last as long as he did? That's you know,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: like what was different about him that you know that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: there were fights and stuff about contracts, but you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: at least they made an effort. But I think a
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago when you were looking at like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: the height of Mason and Tuney, I would have been
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: surprised to say, you know, in a couple of years,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: these guys are both gone. He lasted as long as
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: he did because it was the pre the new CBA
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: and it was the longer contract, and he actually because
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: of the young I mean, I don't have it all
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: right in front of me, so I'm probably gonna mess
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: some of this up. But he also got caught in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: the uncapped year, which I think was ten if I recall,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: is that the year that he held out because they said,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: do you remember, like he was supposed to be a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: free agent, but because of the uncapped year, he wasn't
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: a free agent. Yeah, oh right, because the stipulation was
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: that he got screwed. Yeah, And he ended up holding
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: out for the first half of the year, came back
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and then they traded them, you know, shortly thereafter he
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: you know, he's not all that different really and when
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: when but he was unhappy with the situation. Now they
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: kept him. They were able to when he didn't get
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: traded until like before the fourteen season, so they kept him.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: But that was contentious. Yeah, still made it nine years,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: but uh, five hundred eighth ticket outline, it's stacking up.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Willem and Philham. What's up, William? Hey?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey? Doing good? All right? I just
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: want to figure bank off of what y'all were saying.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: So don't think kame. They were two thousand, nineteen picks,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty picks. So that's another bus correct. Ye? Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: didn't send it out and didn't look at you went
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: with car mcgron. That's why you ain't draft the lines
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna practice squad. I mean, yeah, that's a
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: fifth round pick though, that's that's fine. Yeah, right, My
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: thing is all right. So let me put it like this. Okay,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you last you actually you spent all the money. Usually
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it's the truck want pass. It's busy in Philly. Card
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: y'all want my life to pick um it. You had
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: you had spent a lot of money like last year. Okay,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: now you take a step back. The team is like
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: your minutes basically, so you're gonna make it work what
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: you got. And then now next year you want to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: spend more monas to fill up a lot of positions.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: You see where you got to come back to that.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Gat offensive line is closest right now, and you have
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: the corners. Good lord, you know what I mean, you
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: kind of scared. We got a lot of Jones brothers
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: and they and they like five nine five. So I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: mean Bill, I mean, I get what Bill be doing,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: but he's just he has to it a free agency
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and the draft, gentleman, I mean, this is this is
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the seriously, it really is. I
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, we all, y'all all, I mean,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: y'all even know it's yourself. It's Bill Belichick and his
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: draft and his free agency. These players, I'm like, it's
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: never not it's like he hit more bad that it's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: more bad and good with him. I mean, he hit
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: some picks and stuff like that. But you know what
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's why I'm focusing
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: on the last two years. Thanks. Well, like, I think
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: there's signs that I mean, you know, he's coming out
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: of that slump. We were having a little conversation in
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: the locker room and just how different you know, the
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: open locker room period is, and you know, we're saying
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it used to be your kind of knew Julian Edelman,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: the big the big star guys to go that would
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: whole court and that you would have to go get.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: And it just isn't that many guys anymore, you know,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: there's not I mean mccordy mac obviously goes to the podium,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: but you know, there's just not a lot of guys
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: that everyone is clamoring right now is as stars. And
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I think he's right, and any through free agency in there,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: I would just stick with the draft. I think you
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: just need you need these young guys. You need to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: find some new stars and you know, hopefully these class
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: works out with the Joneses. And but somebody also mentioned
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and hey Alex Alex is here if she just came
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: back from the locker room. Um, you know, somebody mentioned
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: those guys that are like twenty eight years old and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: in the prime of their career and our stars, we
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: don't have that. And that was kind of the point
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: that I was making about the the age, like they
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: don't have the like the studs that are that are
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: like right there right And that's why people I think
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: are saying, like, well, we're old, but we don't have those. Yeah, well,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I think you went into free agency, and you didn't.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: You didn't go sign a bunch of thirty two year olds.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you signed guys at the end of their
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: first deal, but they're not stars. I mean, you know all.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: You know, even if you think Nelson Aglor is pretty good,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good. I think Kendrick Borne's pretty good,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean there maybe you could say solid
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: NFL players, but that's that's who your core is right now?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Are you know those solid guys and you need them?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: You need them to be better this year, Alex Impressions
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: of the locker room, you know, kind of to go
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: off Mike's point a little bit about people not really
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: knowing who the stars are. It's it's been really uneventful.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: And like reporters, of course, you have like your Karen's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: and your Mike Races who are going to go up
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: to guys and talk to them, But a lot of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: it is people kind of standing around waiting for a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: scrum to start. And like today it was really weird
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: because like no one was talking to anyone and Mike
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: and I went to get an interview with Davon Godchaw
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: and it was only after I did that interview with
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: god chaw that everyone came and like started love started trends. Yeah,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and they did. They repeat all your questions and you're like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I already asked them all those guys. Not really. We
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: were talking about more off the field, some fashion week stuff.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: What's that girl's name, Chanel? I'm in there? You gone
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: she was born with a name like that? Like it
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: just she was born, Like that's a model. That's a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: model name. Yeah, her mom must oh she's is her?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Is her mom the model? Them? Is there? My my
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: misremembering something. I think her mom actually might have been
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: a model, but I'm not sure even try dud. I know,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up. I'm gonna go out to practice.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Get that song ready, Morrel morel. So you talked to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: gotcha anyone else? Um? Nope, it was kind of really uneventful.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I went in for my stories, right, so
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I got what I needed and that's what you have
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to But yeah, like these other reporters that they go
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: in just to go in. It's like me, I just
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: go and I stand out when I go in. It's
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: it's for morale, right, Just so when he thinks the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: fellows a down, he goes in and lifts up the spirit. Yeah.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Do you give him pep talks? Yeah? Just seeing me there?
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Just okay, mister Kraft made an appearance. Oh did he
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: randomly took like a little stroll through. I think he
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: was chatting with had he been working out or anything?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Or now he had the button up on? So unless
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that's what he works out and he has the full
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Spandex workout, that for him. That for him, only Fred
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: can talk about Robert kraftwin it's Mandex. Oh yeah, okay,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I have a vision of like one of those biker outfits.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: He doesn't really too bad, um T shirt and shorts
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: on like everybody else. An eventful locker room, you know,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: just a lot of questions like is this the hardest
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: game to prep four? And what about the heat in Miami?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: You know it's like, yeah, what are they even going
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: to ask that they haven't asked a million times through
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: preseason and training camp. Yeah, but I would like to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: talk to some of the defensive guys about the speed
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: of Miami, like what are you thinking? You know, That's
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: why I brought up that Jonathan Jones thing. I wonder
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: if it's more specifically Miami related than more of a change. Yeah,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: because we know right now, every practice right now, it's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: all Miami. I'll tell you another one, Freddie. That's kind
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: of interesting. You know we talked about Lee Bowden. They
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: signed to the practice squad two years in a row,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: signing the guy from Miami right before the opener when
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: you're playing in Miami. Oh yeah, absolutely. I thought they
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: were going to sign Sony Michelle for that reason. Yeah,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: because you think he can play. Yes, some reason, I
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: think he can play. Has he landed anywhere yet or no?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I think the Chargers. Oh that's right, he did go
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: to the Chargers. Yeah, yeah, back back to LA. So
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's signed, but I thought that
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: was in the works. Good for him, all right, Logan
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Ryan resigned with Yeah, Tampa. I guess that was one
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: of those roster manipulation things. Ryan Jensen saw that. Like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Logan Ryan, nice guy, he likes dogs. Yeah, him and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: his wife have like a whole little foundation. I thought
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Brady helped him out with that yesterday. Yeah, a little
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: photo up. Um, let's get back to the stacked up phones.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: We'll go to Christian in LA. What's up, Christian? Hey, guys,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Good. So I'm just sitting
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: here wondering and having maybe it's an awakening to me
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: and and being it's not for all the winds of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the conference winds and divisions and obviously Super Bowls,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: but we have fired several times over the people that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: we have doing our scouting and generally our drafting, because
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: it seems like without Tom and I hate to do
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: this without Moms, like covering up how bad it gets
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: rid of the ball, so the lineman don't have to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: really be that good or how you know, how well
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: even at placed to defense for the receivers didn't really
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: have to be that good. I don't see how we've
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: hit on anything in the last really ten years that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: that maybe Tom didn't cover up right with who he was.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: And now I'm starting to realizing this time without him,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: that we really don't have enough an identity to fall
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: back on. I mean, we think it's built, but now
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: we're seeing this sort of strangeness with buildness. To see
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: them with the coordinator things and you know, not naming offensive,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: but because it's coordinators, and it just makes me start
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: to begin to feel like we were we ever really
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: good at it, and if we were or weren't. Why
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: weren't we firing the people doing these things right? The
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: drafting and scouting of receivers. But what do you guys
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: think about that? I think you're anoying ignoring over a
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: decade of excellence, like complete and total excellence for Bill
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Belichick and his drafting. Well, yeah, so that would mean
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: that all the players that they picked, like Matt Light,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Richard Seymour, Vince Willford, Ben you know, like all those
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: guys weren't good if they didn't win. They won, Because
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: that's why I said, you're ignoring over a decade worth
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: of dominance. Like if you want to talk without that
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: about that first round but not the first bound vote?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: What have we really like? And now not not talking
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: about the teams? I mean the draft thing. Okay, so
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: we've been scouting with my receivers. But okay, so like,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: how did you like Chandler Jones and Dante high Tower?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I love them? Okay with with with Chandler Jones, we
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: do what I'll what would be getting rid of. But
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: that's a different story. Yeah, but that's a different You
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: said you want to fire him because he you know,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: if they didn't win the drafts were were suspect. Now
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I would tell you in the last five years that's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: one thousand percent accurate. I'm not going to sit here
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: and tell you that the twenty twenty draft was good
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: or the twenty you know, the twenty seventeen draft with
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, Derek Rivers and Tony Garcia and you know
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: those like, I'm not telling you that's a good draft,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: but I think but I think from two thousand to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: about I don't know, thirteen fourteen that they drafted really well,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: very consistently. Please allow me to reprase the question what
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: a draft? What draft outside of like Tom Brady excellent,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: did we do well? And if that makes any sense,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: like if we take away Tom Brady players like who
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: we who were you placing Tom Brady with? Though? Like
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: are you replacing him with Ryan Mallett? Well, what did
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: he think? But let's say let's say we had a
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: m who has been guying that when when Tom went
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: up for the season, Um, you know he got Castle
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Mat Castle? Right? So do you think Matt Castle was
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: great and that's why they went eleven and five? Or
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: do you think they had a really good team, like
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: like good personnel team, the team was good, Matt, what
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah, I think I think we lost
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: and lost him, you know in Christian calls all the time,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: and like, you know what, it's not necessarily an argument.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I just think that he's downplaying a lot of stuff.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: His point is they it's it's Brady, okay, and that's fine.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of people think that. I'm not. I'm not.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not arguing with it's Brady that they won six
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: super Bowls and went to nine, but it was also
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: the rest of the team that helped them get there
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: as well, you know, like he he he made them
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: a dynasty, but I think they were also a good team.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Like they would have won six super Bowls. I'm not
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: saying that without Brady or gone to nine. I'm not
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: saying that. But he doesn't go to all those without
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: the supporting casts either. There were super Bowls where if
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Dante Hidetower doesn't make a crazy play that you don't
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: even know, I'm just kidding. I mean, there was something
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: that I was waiting for Alex's chime, its like, and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: they were all they were all like close games. The
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: only one that really wasn't was the thirteenth and six
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: game or whatever. Was a close game. It was, but
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: ten minutes it didn't seem that way. It seems like
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to me it didn't like the Rams. That's because because
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: you were like me and you knodded off in the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: middle of that. I was boring Super Bowl boring. I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: was in the edge of my seat, but I was
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: very Our defense was playing so well. And when you
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: when your def when but we had Tom Brady, when
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: your defense is playing well, you feel comfortable. Are you
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: trying to say that you thought they were going to win? Yes, okay,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna win two ye. It doesn't
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: mean it was. It was not. No, but compared to
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: the others, oh, that was. It was close. Compared to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: the others. The others were like winning on a field
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: goal at the end of the game, you know that
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: type of thing, or coming back from you know, amazing
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: how much time was left when Gronk got made that
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: catch to get down to the one, like Alex, do
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you remember that it was halfway through the fourth it's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: three to three. I know, but it didn't It didn't
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: feel I thought the Patriots are gonna win the whole game,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: and even but I kind of think that all the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: game and the Eagles win the Super Bowl, Like it
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: was a closer game than it felt the Eagles, you
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: know the first one, see I thought, yeah, I don't know,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna win that game the whole way.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I agree, But it was still a close game score wise,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Like that was close. They had a chance at the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: end and he threw it interception. I think that I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: think the rams was closer than than that game was.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: That was the problem is the Eagles kept turning it over. Yeah. Um,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: but I agree with Alex's point about you know that
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Brady obviously is the key, but you need like I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: just think that Christian is sort of downplaying some of
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: the great players that Build drafted high towers won that
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Alex brought up, Like the good example is they went undefeated,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, sixteen and oh with Brady and
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: oh seven, he gets hurt. They play an entire season
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: without him. They were still eleven and six without Tom Brady.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: That's a five game difference. That's enormous, No, it is.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: But you're eleven and five with a guy who's never
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: played quarterback in the NFL R So you had to
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: have some other good players, right, They were stacked. There's
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: no question they hit. They there was a reason that
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of people went into that oh eight season
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: thinking that they could finish it this year, right, they
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: could go you know, all the way and go undefeated again. Yeah,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: but you know, he gets hurt ten minutes into the season. Ye.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: But I, like I said, I if you want to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: talk to me about you know, the last five six drafts, Yeah,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Bill struggled, you know, the Duke Dawson's and I mean
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: just look at some of these names here. I mean,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown, Jordan Richards, Geno Grissom, first three picks in fifteen,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: that's not good. You know, Cyrus Jones, Joe Tuney, great pick,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Jacoby Brisette, Vincent Valentine. You know that's sixteen seventeen,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: it's Derek Rivers, Tony Garcia, you know, dietrich Wise good
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: pick after that. So there's a lot more missus than hits. Yeah,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, and then it gets really you know, Isaiah
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: win Sony, Michelle, Duke Dawson, right, you know, Nikkil, Harry
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: Jowan Williams. You're getting like virtually nothing out of these guys,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Chase Winovich. So but again it's inarguable. It's also inarguable
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: that they drafted much better than Christians given him credit
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: for before when they you know, originally got good yea,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: And yes, Brady made it great. Yeah, Brady always gave
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: you a chance to win it all. But you needed
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the other pieces too. Mike is in Georgia. Hey, Hey,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: how you guys doing. I gotta I gotta pick up
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the case, so I'm gonna get right to it. And
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: then uh um li'sten to you, you guys reply. But now,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: if you go back to our first Super Bowl, which
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: was like oh one o two against the against the Rams,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: one of the Rams players said, I can't tell you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: who the Pages have on uh offense, one of their
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: defensive players that I can't name any of their receivers.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: So I didn't bring that up to say we've we've
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: never had like those offensive cards, you know, other than
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: like you know, Welter Edelman or something like that, you know,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: when when he was past his prime. But we've never
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: had those those those top dogs, you know that that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: could you know, go up and get it or whatever
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: the case that's that's gonna you know, bring us all
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: the way through the season, you know, Uh, we we
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: we've never had those top tier yeah, like you can
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: say it more and more emphatically, but they have and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: when they and when they got the top tier guys,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: they went undefeated. We had Randy Moss, we had Welker,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: we had you know, uh Grunkowski. Yes, they won with
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Troy Brown as their top receiver, no. One, and they
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: proved that they could win. Yeah, and then they went
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: undefeated when they got like the greatest receiver of the generation.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: But I think I think I know what you say,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Like recently they don't have you know, the CD Lambs
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: in the dk metcasts and those guys. We haven't. That's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, recently we haven't had those guys. You're right,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: you're right, But right, but to the point, Bill still
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: made a way to you know, even you go back
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: to what Bill still made a way. Well, I'll say
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Bill and his staff made a way for the Pages
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: to come out and win. Yeah. Now right by running
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: the ball and playing defense. You can't do that anymore. Right,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: But now to my question, how much do you think
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: the loss of rain Trust has contributed to the Patriots
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: problem Because back then we had but Charlie wife, Robio O'Connell.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, guys were awesome, But I think I think
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: you're onto something, Mike on that. I think, you know,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: the constant brain drain, you know, losing guys every other year. Um,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I think it has to hurt. It has to hurt,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: you know. Well, it used to be there was guys
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: that were around for six, seven, eight years, and then
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: when a guy left, then they send it to a position.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Right now, in eighteen Flores left and took a bunch
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: of guys, you know, Patricia left and took now Josh
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: left and took you know, four or five guys like that.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: It's just a handful of seasons, right what she said.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: And you know when Charlie left, he left for the college,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, right, yeah, But but also you had like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Josh was here for five years. Ye when when Charlie left, right,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing. Also, I'm saying like
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Charlie didn't take a bunch of people. Well I know that,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, so Josh and oh five called
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: the place he had been on a like he had
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: been part of it as an assistant for a while now,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: And I want to be disrespectful to the people because
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know how good a coaches they are. But
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you went from eighteen. It's like Flores leaves
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and takes a couple of guys with him and like,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, boy or in O'Shea, those kinds of sipping away,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Chip, Chip, I mean, how many different quarterbacks
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: coaches have they had the last three or four years?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Mick Lombardi, Bohart agree, missing somebody like Yeah, it seems
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: like it's a revolving door, going back to like Jerry Schaplinsky. Oh,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: what's the guy? Um, Jimmy Stewart. I make the Jimmy
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Stewart name with him. Uh, you know, I always whenever
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: we talk about him, what was his name? What was
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: his name? M Oh, come on? He went to Did
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: he go to Miami? I know, just because of your
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: your stupid noses bleeding? I know that you know who
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: I'm talking. I don't know who it is. I'm looking.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm looking it up. Yeah, he was the QB coach
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: for a cop. I'm not going able to read this
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: type without my glasses, all right, he's making fun of me. Thanks, Mike,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: appreciate the call. I'm looking. Yeah, it was. It was George, George, George,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that's it, George, George, God me, George George. Yeah, he
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: left with Bill O'Brien, right right, Yeah, But I do
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: think the brain drain of the coaching staff, and like
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Alex said, it's the last couple of times it's been
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: stacked together. You lost four or five guys with Floors,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: then two years later you're losing four or five guys
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: with McDaniel. It happened. I mean, you lose guys to retirement,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: probably by force, right, or by necessity rather not force. Ye,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: I hope. Oh, Jed Fish. Jed Fish is the other
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach. I think you've had four quarterbacks coaches the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: last four years. Yeah, Like, that's hard, that's not good.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Steve in New York case, Steve oh Man,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: you guys been talking about what I was going to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: say him do the same thing with the with the coaching. UM.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I think that if we had this team with um uh,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: you know, if we had the Skarnakia and um you
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: know Josh McDaniels or you know, it doesn't have to
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: be him, but you know one of our other coordinators,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: if you had in the past, I think we would
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: feel a little bit better because then we can think, oh,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: the coaches can bring this around. But you look at
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: it now and you think, Okay, Matt Patricia. I'm not
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: gonna say whether or not you know he can coach
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: the offensive line or play calls. I mean, you know,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: give the guy a chance. You know, I think, you know,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: give him a chance to prove himself. But I do
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: think Bill has set him up to fane you. There's
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: no way this guy can coach the offensive line, coach
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: the technique you need to do, um, get these guys
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: up to snuff, and then also at the same time
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: develop a game plan and call plays on the game day.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: That just I don't see how we can do that
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: always him. I'd be like, all right, Bill, either maybe
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: play caller and get someone else as a full time
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach or you know, vice versa, because it's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: just not going to work. And I think that we
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: need to have some more either assistance or someone to
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: help these guys because you look at the talent. I mean,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I was listening to Greg Barnard, you know, saying that
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: you know, we do have talented offensive line, but you know,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: a cold, strange technique. Look looks off the rest of
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: the cards. I'm not doing what the rest of the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: offensive line or not doing what they're supposed to. And
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, these guys have the talent, but we just
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: don't have the coaching around them to support them. And
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's where you see the player frustrations right
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: now in that piece. We'll see, we'll see if they
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: have the talent. Thanks day. Henry is in Leeds, England.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Hey Henry, all right, ups. First, first thing reason I'm
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: call and it's just that I had my first time
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: a clumb Childer the other day. Oh it was delicious.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Where did you have it? The popb Oh? Okay, that's
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: so in England you had clam chowder? Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't a profit clum sholder. It was guy.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they do really good clam chowder.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know that's a you know
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: what a place. Yeah, and my my question really, um,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I think not well, at least from my perspective. Start
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: of the media covers, I go over here, there's a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: lot of sort of questions around how good the team's
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be a playoff team, blah blah blah, and I'm
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: just wondering, from your guys perspective, at what point does
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: sort of max individual success out with the other team. Um? Yeah,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: I'll take off one, guys, all right, thank you. I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what the question was. Did you hear the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: question out? At one point does max individual something outweigh
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: the whole team? Okay? So it's kind of like what
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: we're talking about earlier in the show, Fred, Like, if
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: MAC is showing development, that to you and I I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: believe is more important really than the record. It gives
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: me hope. We hope that they win games obviously and
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. But if MAC is playing well and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: trending upward, I think that that would be something that's
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: encouraging for the future regardless. Right, right, So I think
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: that does away with the team. I think max is
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: it built? Is it easier to build around a good
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: quarterback or is it easier to build around a good team?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I think quarterback? Right? You got it? Personally, it's so
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: hard to find that good quarterback, you know. Um, Spi
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: and Fresno with the Patriots finished this year with a
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: top five draft pick, would you take Brady back for
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: one more run? No? I would take a quarterback and
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: with the top five, like, why would you you know, oh,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: so you get you would trade the top five pick
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: for Brady? Maybe thanks, that's what he's saying. Yeah, I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. I don't think Brady would come back.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think he would come back either, but I
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want him back. Honestly. I would want to rebuild.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I want to get better. Uh. Jim James Pettigrew, the
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: most interesting pages fan in the world, says rank, I think,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: rank in order of favorability, these potential scenarios for this
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: year and looking forward. And this is a quarterback head
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: coach combos, rank in order of favorability, Mac and Josh,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Mac and Bill, Tom and Bill, Tom and Josh this
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: year and going forward? What I would like to have
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: right now Mac and Josh. No, Bill and Tom. No,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: he said this year and looking forward. I thought he
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: was asking what the best combination was for this year
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: and going Bill and Tom. I'll take that and going forward. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: you're only gonna get one or two more years out
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: of Tom. That's okay. I'll take my one or two
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: years of dominance across that bridge. You get there, right, okay, uh,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: he says, I think Mac and Josh would be my favorite.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: I agree. Not sure if the worst is Mac and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Bill or end of career Doushy Tom trying to undermine
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: new coach Josh. Okay, I'm just off of the like
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: the dominance. I think Bill is the best and I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: think Tom is the best, and I'll take that for
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: however long it lasts. Well, but you know it's not
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: gonna last long. I think it's but I don't know
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: that the other one's going to be any good. That's
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: the well. I know that Tom and Bill is good
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: because I saw it for only a short period of time,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: like the world could end, even it's twenty one years
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: a period. Anthony Sony di sign with the charges. We
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: were right, yeah, Anthony with Delaware in Delaware, have you
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: guys talked about Terrence Mitchell being cut instead of donuts?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I kid he was cut, but he got on the
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: practice squad not listening live. So Paul, don't kill me.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: If someone answered, you'd already. Matt Jones's numbers under center
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: verse shotgun are under center one hundred and forty nine attempts,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred and four completions, eleven hundred and seventy one yards,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: six touchdowns, five picks, ninety two point five rating. Shotgun
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy two attempts, two hundred forty eight completions,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand, six hundred and thirty yards, sixteen touchdowns, eight picks,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: ninety two point five ratings. So they're both the same.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I then think Paul wanted to know his numbers under
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: centered with play action. Pro Football Reference has play action numbers,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: but not sure if all of them were under center.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Deuce could look it up. So what was this?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: This was like some discussion we had. Yeah, I mean
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: I appreciate all the numbers in the effort, I was
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: not really interested in the numbers. I was interested in
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: your opinion, Fred and my opinion. When we talked on Tuesday,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Um Alex about Mac under center as opposed to shotgun.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Does anybody remember that being a problem last year, him
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: being under center, Like, oh, you can't have him under center,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: and he he just doesn't look comfortable. Like now that
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: seems to be a big thing. Just get him in
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: the shotgun, let him spread it out. But this is
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: what he does best. I don't remember it being a
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: problem last and this is what people don't understand, Like
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: it's really inside football, right, but like there's a big
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: difference between play action under center and play action shotgun.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: Oh huge. You can do both, but they develop differently.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: And if you can't develop your play action under center,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: you're putting yourself in a hole. But the other thing is,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily interested in numbers because the number under
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: center is so much smaller that it's it's skewed. Yeah,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: it's about half even, you know, even good or bad. Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Like so those numbers turned out to be
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: very similar. I think the passer rating was exactly the
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: same change, right, Yeah, so Mike, I guess what I'm
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: trying to wonder is does he not look comfortable to you? Well?
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: That was the one thing about him last year that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: it was just how poised he always looked and how comfortable.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: And it's just I don't know if it's a trust
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: thing this year, but it's a little different. I agree,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: And that's what I'm wondering, is the trust it doesn't
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: have something to do with under center or not, because
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of people are Evan Is
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: on this. You know, Evan and I have talked about
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: this a lot off the air. Is it just because
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: he's under center and it's not what he wants to do? Yeah,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: let's see Brett and Haliburton Ontario. After seeing this initial
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, I looked at it in terms
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: of how many guys are all Pro potentials for this year,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: not Pro Bowl, all Pro. I came up with maybe
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Jude On, maybe Bailey, barn more question Mark, but not
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: a three down guy yet. So really only two guys.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Yeah? You know what's I'll
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: due respect to the punter that's chairs yeah, um yeah,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of star power on
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: the roster. Do you have another all Pro candidate? Ex
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: list is my list? I like I like Barmore, yep,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: I really like Barmore And I thought I saw signs
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: in that last preseason game that Bill was a little
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: bit more willing to play him with more downs. So
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping, Yeah, I hope. So, I mean if he's
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: just a third down guy, then his value goes way down, right,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: because because I don't think he's a natural pass rusher.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I think he's a natural pocket collapser. Yeah, he's he's
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: His superpower is strength. He's strong as an ox. You
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: know you can't You can't block him with one guy.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Um Jim in Pittsburgh writes in just curious, what are
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: the chances that Belichick's text to b Flow about the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Giants job wasn't an accident at all? I've heard this before.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Zero percent. Yeah, I agree. I hadn't heard about any
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: bad blood between the two coaches. Do you think this
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: was his way of using an innocent mistake to let
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Flores know the Giants were using him and perhaps Coach
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Bill didn't like it. No, it was a mistake. That's
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: also just so mean to do to someone like Bill.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Can't be that cold. Yeah, I think there's a zero
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: percent chance. Yeah, that hit that that was mean anything,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: But I've made that mistake. You have a lot of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: people on your phone with the same first name. You
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: put him on your contacts with just the first name.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Make the name, you make that mistake. You gotta have
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: last name, first last name, if not the company they
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: worked for too, or how you know them. I have
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: it all. That's because you network. I don't have anybody
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: like that. Also, because in high school I texted a girl,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: and I meant to text my best friend, but I
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: texted the girl but it wasn't good. Well, it was fine,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: but it was awkward. I did it with my son's
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: youth basketball coach. I thought I was texting my brother
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, this guy asked him to
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: be on the on the Top team. I go, problem
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: is he's a bit of an a hole. Oh sent
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: to the guy? Oops, Um, George and Madison, New Jersey.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: I randomly just finished watching a Breaking Bad followed by
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: A Better Call Saul Marathon. That's this is directed at me.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: If you ever ended up like Hector Salamanca where you
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: needed to give you a bell to communicate, would you
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: still do the show? Ring one? Yes, Ring two? No.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: You know what he's talking about. He's watched a Better
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Call Saul nor the guy he can't talk, so he's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: got this bell. Okay, Yeah, No, I wouldn't do that.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. No, we'd set you up with
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: a white board and we would just say what you're writing, okay,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: A blink one blink. Uh. Let me just throw a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: few questions out there to see how it work. Um,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: do they sign mac Jones to a long term contract
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: next year? Uh one ring b Yes, No, they can't.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: They could extend him next year. Why not because he's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: only two years as his contract and to wait till
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: after the third year. Oh, after the third year. Okay,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: so unless that's changed, I mean I could, as as
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: I often am with the contract Minutia, I could be wrong.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Does JOHNU. Smith break five hundred receiving yards this year?
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: John U? Smith? Five hundred yards? I'll say no, So
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: it's bing bing? Oh? Okay bing bing? Yeah? Uh? And
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: does Devin ASIASI get cut by the Bengals, and if so,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: does he end up on the Patriots practice squad? I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: have no. I'm gonna say he doesn't get caught by
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the Bengals because I think they signed another tight end too,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: so they must need tight ends. Okay, all right, Um,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: let's see Benn and Brooklyn writes in he says, while
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: the criticism of Bill's recent drafts is fair game, I
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: feel like the pendulum has tipped too far for context.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Minnesota just cut Kellen Mond sixty six overall different and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: the Niners cut Trey Sermon. Both were taken two years ago.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are other examples. Alex Leatherwood, but different regimes.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: The Niners isn't, but Minnesota the what's his face? Kevin
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: O'Connell is the first year coach, so he obviously doesn't
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: like Kellen Mond. Yeah. And by the way, Kellen Mond
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: was taken with like the sixty six pick of the draft. Right,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: that's a little different than you know, like a first
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: round pick Alex Leatherwood. That's astonishing, even though it was
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: a previous regime that took him. That was Mayock, Yeah,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: your boy mayok, yeah, Mike and Gruden. I can I mean,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm wrong. I'm sure there were examples. I
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: can't think of one first round pick ever that got
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: cut the next year that didn't have something to do
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: with something off the field, right, I can't think of that. Second.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: While I love Brady, the take that it was all
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: him is too much would be like Cole Strange gets
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  Speaker 1: cut next year after after training camp. Yeah, can you
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: think of that? Like I think this place would like
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: burn down? Oh yeah, I think Brady threw for one
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: touchdown combined in the two Rams Super Bowls. So that's
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: his take that it's not all Brady. What difference does
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: it make? What happens in one game. Yeah, I think
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: he threw. He threw for like a combined eight hundred
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: yards in the two playoff games to get to the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Against the Rams in eighteen, they threw for
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: like three fifty and it's the Chargers and Chiefs. Think
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: about that Chiefs game third and tens, right, right, Um,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: let's see, I'll tell you. I know the guy's gotten
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: a little strange since he's left. But does this mean
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: we have to like trash everything he accomplished like to
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: that extent, right, Mike our Mark Wrights, and we lost
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of very season coaches. Of course, it looks
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: bad and you can't and you just can't rehire. It
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: takes time. Him to Gael you could you chose not to.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: There's a difference there. They need to get to know
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: each other. I think the talents there for mac um.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Next next step is to win games. Yeah, okay, uh
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: and he will, says Mark. So Mark is very uh. Yeah,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with this point about the coaches. They
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: lost a lot of coaches in a short amount of time.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: They did. Yeah, I mean I think that to be
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: surprised that Josh McDaniels was going to get a job
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: at some point and leave and not be prepared to
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: replace him is kind of negligent. Just like a few
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: years ago, he was literally one foot out the door
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: ready to go to He came back for the second
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: time Alex in twenty twelve, Like, you had to know
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: he was going to get another job and leave at
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: some point, and I don't think they had a plenty
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: almost did and then decided to stay for it. Seemed
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: like the narrative was that he was getting the keys
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: to the kingdom and he was going to eventually take
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: over this team. But I know, I know what the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: narrative was. Fred, you want to tell Alex about the
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: narrative about you know, Bill was gonna have McDaniel succeed him, right,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: what what? Why don't you tell Alex what the plan?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: It's not his decision. Fred gets very mad when people
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: say that Bill is situating things. So this guy does
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: this and this guy replaces him, and friends like, it's
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: not his decision to make. It will not be his
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: decision exactly that. I totally agree with Fred, it won't be. Yeah,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: So this whole succession plan that people are talking about
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Yeah, The only people who know what that is?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Are the crafts? That's it? Oh listen, you might want
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: to listen to this little word toward the end of
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: the show. But guess who's back for practice. I felt good.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I like that good. It might be the last time
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: we get it. I know it might be amazing. I
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: had to run in quick. I know, I know time
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: was running out, so I just wanted to, uh to
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: come in just to say Isaiah Win was not at
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: practice today, so traded Freddy's on the trade block. He
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: was in the locker room earlier, so I don't know.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was traded, but did he
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: have a big hefty bag this guys right? He had
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: one of those sticks with the bag tied to it
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: at the end like see you later, guys. So that
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: was interesting. I mean he's been around, so they were
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: full pads yesterday. Um a couple number changes too, I
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: know Mike Grease tweeted out that Jack Jones was moving
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: to thirteen. That that does not happened yet, so threw
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: it off. Threw us off a little bit, but um yeah,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: otherwise I just watched stretching. But I know you guys
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: are run on time, so I felt like, I did
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: we have a thirteen in camp? I don't think, so,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: why did you just go to that when he got
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: his number of now, I don't think so, I don't know.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's all. I was wondering what that
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: conversation is, like, who do you go to ask permission
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: to do that? Well, and the coach is weird about it.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: It can be now hit like the little little inside
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: retail Freddy. Yeah, sometimes if you have a guy who
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: you're selling his jersey in the pro shop, say they
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: have to buy them. Yeah, if they're going to change
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: the number, they have to pay for like the existing inventory. Yeah,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: let's see, you're gonna cost us money. No, No, So
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: what he got like, I mean, it was quick, I
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: think like they were just starting drills. But I wanted
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: to get that get into to give that little report.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: So otherwise, a couple of the new guys Boden was
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: out there eighty um, but no no sign of this
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: other guy, Liberty Wattson that had a locker in the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: locker room. So for now it seems like everything's, you know,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: kind of the same. But yeah, a little bit of
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: an interesting twist stadium as they went good, a lot
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: of media, a lot of media. Thank god, thank you
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: to the security guards, like heads up, guys, and like
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: kind of pushed us out of the way. His bill
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: was coming through, like he was coming up hot behind us,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: and we didn't quite realize it. And the security guard
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: was just gave us a little like, you know, move
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: over a little bit, guys, you know, gave us the
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: heads up here. God forbid being watched. But a mood day,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: beautiful day mood. H they have good mood, good mood.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: Fell like some good energy out there, I think, I mean,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I'm probably everybody's excited to get the heck out of here.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: I would guess how college football this weekend? College football
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: College football fights pit West Virginia tonight. Oh yeah, is
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: that good? It's not a good one. No, Kenny, pick
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: it anymore than you astounded me. How you only know
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: one thing? Actually one in the hand. You know, the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Patriots you appreciate and Holy Cross Hockey. That's it. Our own.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Tamara Brown will be on the sideline for the South
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Carolina Georgia Tech game. Yeah, be on the lookout for her. Exciting,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: very excited TB. We called her t oh, I thought,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: I looked at Alex. I was like, that wasn't elx.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Sounds are good, but uh yeah so we I mean,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. Almost see him again maybe Monday,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: but tomorrow she'll be maybe not oh oh yeah, okay, hurt?
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe or maybe you know what, they just grab her. Hey,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Freddie wouldn't be the first one we lost like that poacher, right,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: another one that left me behind kidnapper. All right, Well,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this edition of the show.
• 1:58:06
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• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: next week we start our in season schedule, so we
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: got a hurry picks on Thursday, right, all right, talk
• 1:58:17
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