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3-year-old Dylan Ehler Missing From Grandma's, Boots Found in Nearby Waterway · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little
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Speaker 1: boy is missing. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend at the Truro Police Department, Chief
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Speaker 1: Dave McNeil, the Fox of this. Yesterday afternoon, about one
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Speaker 1: twenty in the afternoon, the Truro Police Service received a
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Speaker 1: call to the area of Queen Street and Elizabeth Street
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Speaker 1: regarding a missing three year old boy who was later
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Speaker 1: confirmed to Dylan Eller. Dylan was at his grandmother's residence
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Speaker 1: on Queen Street playing outside. His grandmother became briefly distracted
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Speaker 1: and turned around for a moment, and when she turned back,
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Speaker 1: Dylan was no longer in the yard. Patrol officers arrived
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Speaker 1: within four minutes of the first call. We began to
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Speaker 1: gather information and evidence photo of Dylan, description area of
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Speaker 1: where he was. Officers did a quick neighborhood canvas. We
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Speaker 1: called her Keenan unit to respond. He was there very
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Speaker 1: quickly and began to track in the area. Where is
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Speaker 1: this baby boy? Again? Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: with me and all Star panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Dave mac joining me
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Erv Brandt, formerly with
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Speaker 1: the US Marshall Service International Investigations Brand. You can find
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Speaker 1: him at IRV brand dot com. Karen Start were now
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Speaker 1: in psychologists joining us from New York at Karen Start
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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen with a see James shell Nutt twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years metro major case now lawyer at the shell
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Speaker 1: Nutt Law Firm dot com. And two very special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us, Jason and Ashley. This is baby Dylan's parents.
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Speaker 1: To both of you, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: First to you, Jason, tell me about the circumstances of
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Speaker 1: Dylan going missing. The day dylanan missing. UM, I showed
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Speaker 1: up at a round three o'clock and I walked right
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Speaker 1: into it and the cop told me my son was missing,
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Speaker 1: and UM a search and Dylan had went missing at
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Speaker 1: one twenty four. So at that point Canine was just
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Speaker 1: getting there. UM. So they took you know, forty minutes
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Speaker 1: or longer to get there with Canine Munich and it
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Speaker 1: took a little over three hours for boots in the ground.
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Speaker 1: UM it was chaos. I remember chaos. What could you
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Speaker 1: discern had happened. I didn't know what happened at that time.
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Speaker 1: UM well, I mean certainly you said, hey, what happened?
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Speaker 1: Where did he go? How did he go missing? Yeah? Exactly?
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Speaker 1: UM and UM, you know that wasn't really my concern.
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Speaker 1: I knew he was missing at that time, so the
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Speaker 1: first thing came out of my mouth. Has anyone been
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Speaker 1: near the brook or the river? I didn't have time
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Speaker 1: to talk to Dorothy or anything. You weren't told whether
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Speaker 1: he had been playing in a car. Where do they
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Speaker 1: think someone sped away with him? Whether he You didn't
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Speaker 1: ask any question about how did he go missing? What happened?
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Speaker 1: M The cops said that she turned her back and
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Speaker 1: Dylan got away. So as soon as I heard that,
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Speaker 1: I just I wanted to go search, but I wasn't allowed. Gotcha?
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me
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Speaker 1: the facts surrounding the disappearance of baby Dylan. All Right,
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Speaker 1: Dylan was dropped off with his grandmother and she ended
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Speaker 1: up Sutton dropped off by who? And which grandmother actually
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Speaker 1: dropped Dylan off with her mother, Dorothy Parsons at Dorothy's
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Speaker 1: house around eleven o'clock in the morning, Dorothy said, I'm
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Speaker 1: probably gonna take him outside with the new puppy. She
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Speaker 1: had a new puppy that was about the only thing
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Speaker 1: that could keep up with Dylan, because Dylan was a runner.
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Speaker 1: He liked to run. He was all boy, and so
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Speaker 1: he and this little puppy would just play. Now, at
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Speaker 1: around one fifteen we get this from Dorothy Parsons. She
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Speaker 1: said she turned around for about eighteen seconds to put
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Speaker 1: the dog, the puppy, on a lead. When she turned back,
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Speaker 1: Dylan was gone. We're talking, according to her, eighteen seconds,
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Speaker 1: he was gone. Dorothy then starts screaming for help. She's
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Speaker 1: screaming for Dylan. She's screaming for neighbors. Neighbors actually hear
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Speaker 1: her screaming. She's screaming. Call nine one one. One of
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Speaker 1: the neighbors does that. At about one twenty four pm.
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Speaker 1: The officers arrived four minutes later. Okay, so they're playing out.
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Speaker 1: Are they at their yard? They're still in the yard
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Speaker 1: of the home. Dave Mack, Yes, ma'am, they're in Dorothy
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Speaker 1: Parson's backyard. Okay, Karen start joining me. Karen, do you
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Speaker 1: recall the case of Samantha in a Aaron running. You
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Speaker 1: and I were together on several occasions when I spoke
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Speaker 1: with Aaron. Aaron's baby girl, Samantha, who was around three,
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Speaker 1: was at the grandmother's house where Aaron had taken her.
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Speaker 1: The grandma was inside in the kitchen looking out the
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Speaker 1: window straight at Samantha in the front yard. She was
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Speaker 1: playing with other children, and just like that, a car
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Speaker 1: came up. A guy got Samantha and took off. Just
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Speaker 1: like that, the grandmother runs out. She's out the house
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Speaker 1: in ten seconds, never got Samantha back alive. It can
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Speaker 1: happen just that fast. Do you remember that case, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, Nancy, because it takes no
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Speaker 1: time at all to abduct a child. You all you
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Speaker 1: have to do, and it's it's not the grandmother's funk.
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Speaker 1: It's something you would never believe, but it can happen
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Speaker 1: that quickly, especially when you hear that it's a little
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Speaker 1: boy who likes to run, right, so you take care
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Speaker 1: of your eyes off with him. He runs and if
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Speaker 1: somebody is there planning to take this little boy, it
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Speaker 1: takes no time, just no time. So I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about that very case. Now, in that case, Samantha was
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Speaker 1: just a little bit older than Dylan. She was approaching five,
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Speaker 1: as I recall, But it was right there in a
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Speaker 1: residential area, playing in the front yard. Let me go
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Speaker 1: to Dylan's mom joining us, Ashley Brown to you and Jason,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. And I know this
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Speaker 1: is painful to go back over, but thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us and going through with us. For those
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Speaker 1: of you just joining us, we were talking about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of a beautiful little boy three years old when
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Speaker 1: he goes missing. Dylan Eller's chipline Row two eight ninety
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Speaker 1: five fifty three fifty one repeat nine O two eight
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Speaker 1: ninety five fifty three fifty one. Ashley, tell me about
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Speaker 1: your mother's yard and her home. Was it enclosed? Was
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Speaker 1: a single dwelling? Did she live in apartment? Was it rural? Suburban? Urban?
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Speaker 1: Tell me about her home. Um, well, she lives on
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Speaker 1: in the corner of Queen Street and Elizabeth Street. Um
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Speaker 1: it's a rather large house. Um it's a kind of
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Speaker 1: a duplex. One on top of the other situation. Her
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Speaker 1: her parents in laws lived downstairs and her own her
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Speaker 1: husbandsiness upstairs. Okay, wait, who lives downstairs and who lives upstairs. UM.
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Speaker 1: Downstairs is her in laws, her husband's parents. They own
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Speaker 1: the house. UM. So they live in the downstairs half
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Speaker 1: of the home and there's an upstairs house. UM with
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Speaker 1: Dorothy and her husband Jeff. They live in the upstairs
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Speaker 1: half of the home, and they ran. So was the
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Speaker 1: yard enclosed, Ashley? It's it's partially enclosed. UM. So there's
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Speaker 1: a partial sense. Um. There's a partial fence by the road. UM.
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Speaker 1: And then there's bushes on the other side, UM, separating
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Speaker 1: her house and her neighbor's home. So it's it's partially enclosed,
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Speaker 1: and it opens up to the drive lake. How far
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Speaker 1: away is the home from the next door neighbors? I
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Speaker 1: don't know, ten or sixteen feet, They're they're pretty close together.
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Speaker 1: Is it heavily traveled? Is there a lot of traffic?
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Speaker 1: Is it suburban? What is it? Um? Queen Street the
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Speaker 1: main street. UM is pretty heavily traveled. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of traffic in the area. UM. There's a big train
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Speaker 1: station or a train yard on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the road, so there's trains going all the time. UM.
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Speaker 1: It's it's a busy area. Okay, that's telling me a
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Speaker 1: lot time stories with Nancy Grace straight out to you.
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Speaker 1: IRV Brent joining US former US Marshall service V. What
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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Because think back to Samantha
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Speaker 1: Runyon who was five when she goes missing, and it
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Speaker 1: happened just like that. Given the layout. What we know
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Speaker 1: a neighbor, somebody across the street, somebody that knew the neighbors,
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Speaker 1: somebody going by in a car. I mean eighteen seconds
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Speaker 1: when you're right there with a child, that's kind of hard.
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Speaker 1: But she could be wrong about eighteen seconds. Where do
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Speaker 1: you get eighteen seconds from? Where do you come up
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Speaker 1: with that number? I mean she may have had to
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Speaker 1: chase the dog to put the lead on him. And
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Speaker 1: when you're bent over and you're putting a lead on
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Speaker 1: a dog, and if it's jumping or playing, it's a puppy,
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Speaker 1: it might take one or two minutes. Every time our dog,
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Speaker 1: fat Boy, sees me get the least take him on
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Speaker 1: a walk, he goes crazy so excited. Sometimes I have
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Speaker 1: to hold him between my legs to put the lead
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Speaker 1: on it. So it can take a minute. If you
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Speaker 1: have to grab the dog and hold the dog, it
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Speaker 1: could have been up to two or three minutes. That's true.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like she gave the best approximate approximate cake
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Speaker 1: that she could. And it's hard to judge time when
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Speaker 1: you're under stress. And it's it's critical in a case
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Speaker 1: like this because, like you said, it can happen so
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Speaker 1: fast then that the person or persons can be gone,
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Speaker 1: you know, within a few seconds. And so the the
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Speaker 1: very initial response is the most critical when you start
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Speaker 1: the search. If you're going to do an alert for
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Speaker 1: things like that, for a missing person, it's it's critical
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Speaker 1: that it's done immediately, which doesn't seem to be done
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Speaker 1: in this case. Well, I mean nine one one was
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Speaker 1: called nine minutes after the grandma started screaming that according
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Speaker 1: to what we've just been told, was at one fifteen
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Speaker 1: nine Momo was called by neighbors at one twenty four
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Speaker 1: the cops got there. What took so long? According to
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Speaker 1: Jason Eller, this is Dylan's dad is to get what
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Speaker 1: the dogs there, Yes, the canine unit. So our first
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Speaker 1: meeting with the police, they said twenty minutes the dog arrived,
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Speaker 1: but then W five News he said forty minutes. So
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of confusion. So when I got there,
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Speaker 1: it was three o'clock and the lady officers said, the
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Speaker 1: canine unit just got there's we're talking at least an hour.
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Speaker 1: They said that the dog was on another to see you.
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Speaker 1: But we have our CNT just a few minutes away
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Speaker 1: from us, literally, so I don't quite understand either. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so the cops got there. How it sounds like the
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Speaker 1: cops got there pretty quickly. Oh, Search and rescue took
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Speaker 1: about three hours to get called in. Okay, So it
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Speaker 1: sounds to me like the cops got there pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: It took a while to get the k nines and
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Speaker 1: Search and rescue assembled, but the cops arrived pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: Guys taking us an our friend, Avery Haynes at W five.
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Speaker 1: We've had about seven or eight ransoms. What people actually
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Speaker 1: trying to connect with you and say, we have your son,
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Speaker 1: although they're going to kill my son if we don't
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Speaker 1: give them so much money. A guy sent a picture
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Speaker 1: of I think it was a picture of maybe Dylan,
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Speaker 1: but it was all photoshop and looked like he bruises
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Speaker 1: on his face and stuff, and he wanted three bitcoin,
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Speaker 1: which is worth forty some thousand dollars untraceable money. There
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Speaker 1: was another one where he said he had done in
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Speaker 1: the truck and he had tossed smote the window doing
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Speaker 1: one hundred kilometers if I didn't send them a couple
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Speaker 1: of thousand dollars. Ransom, ransom threats is the only way
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Speaker 1: I can put that to James Shellnutt twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: metro A major case. What do you think? What do
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Speaker 1: you make of that? Truthful? I can't say exactly what
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Speaker 1: I think about that on their but I will tell
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Speaker 1: you this, it's not common for somebody to do that.
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Speaker 1: There are some sick people in this world. And I
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Speaker 1: will tell you I have worked missing person's cases. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I've had any where someone truly called
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Speaker 1: and asked for ransom. You see that a lot more
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Speaker 1: movies in the United States. You see it a lot
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Speaker 1: more when it comes to immigrants to come here from
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Speaker 1: across the border. You see it in other countries in
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Speaker 1: the US that's not come I saw it in the
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Speaker 1: case of a missing Alaska barista. Her name was Samantha
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Speaker 1: ko Niggas I wouldcall, and a ransom note was put
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Speaker 1: in a public part with a photo of her, and
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Speaker 1: she had her hair done differently. She wore long hair
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Speaker 1: and in this photo and this is significance. She had
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Speaker 1: it in braids, and they wanted money for her safe return.
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Speaker 1: As it turned out, we later learned she was already
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Speaker 1: dead and they had stitched her eyes open, and they
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Speaker 1: had braided her hair, not knowing that she would never
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Speaker 1: have worn it that way. But that and a few others,
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Speaker 1: you know, Frank Sinatra Junior, I mean I can think
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Speaker 1: of some. We just had a billionaire on the West Coast.
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Speaker 1: His domestic help was kidnapped. It was a thought that
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Speaker 1: the kidnappers wanted his adult daughter. So it does happen,
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Speaker 1: but it's few and far between. But it does happen.
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Speaker 1: To Jason Eller. This is baby Dylan's father. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about those ransome threats? Um, yes, so um the one
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Speaker 1: with the bitcoin that was pretty hard to take. Um.
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Speaker 1: I remember um calling my lead investigator about it and
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Speaker 1: he actually told me to get off Facebook and Messenger
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Speaker 1: and he's like, this is bulls and he Hummond and
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Speaker 1: had told him to come down. So I guess, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, with some others, there's I've had. I've had
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Speaker 1: ones where they would send a murdered while it was
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Speaker 1: probably fake, but I showed the cops. Um, it'd be
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Speaker 1: a woman all beat up and shot and then they
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Speaker 1: said your son would be next if I didn't send
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Speaker 1: a few hundred dollars. I mean, they got pretty crazy,
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Speaker 1: um just for a little amount of money to large
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Speaker 1: amounts of money. Was there one that had a photo
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Speaker 1: ostensibly off Dylan except all breezed up? Yep, it was
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Speaker 1: a picture of Dylan I shared online. It took me
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Speaker 1: a while to figure it out. But they must still
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Speaker 1: photoshop it and had bruises put on space or something
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Speaker 1: like that. Who are these people that would do such
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Speaker 1: a thing Karen Stark to take a photo that Dillon's
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Speaker 1: dad had shared online trying to find his son and
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Speaker 1: then photoshop it to make it look like he was
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Speaker 1: all bruised and beaten and try to get money. Who
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Speaker 1: would do something like that, Well, somebody Nancy, who could
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Speaker 1: care less about the feelings of the parents or the
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Speaker 1: fact that this is a real, live little boy. Someone
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Speaker 1: who decides that this is a great opportunity for them
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Speaker 1: to make some money and photoshop a picture. And that
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Speaker 1: is nuts if you listen to what they're saying. And
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Speaker 1: we both know it's not the least bit unusual for
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Speaker 1: people to take advantage of someone else's tragedy and try
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Speaker 1: and make money and see if they can find a
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Speaker 1: way to gain an advantage for them, and not care.
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Speaker 1: And that's the key point here. No conscience, no caring
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Speaker 1: about what these parents are going through, none whatsoever. Guys.
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Speaker 1: The description of this little boy is something that no
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Speaker 1: one will ever forget. He is rosy cheeked, dark brown hair,
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Speaker 1: big beautiful brown eyes. I'm looking at him right now
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Speaker 1: to actually brown his mother. I'm looking at the photo
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Speaker 1: of him wearing the little it looks like a space jacket,
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Speaker 1: the little black space jacket, like an astronaut would wear,
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Speaker 1: with black pants and black shoes. He's outdoors on a
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Speaker 1: front yard. How tall would you say that Dylan was
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Speaker 1: ultimately three feet about three feet. He's certainly not overWe
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Speaker 1: but he is well nourished and precious. Guys, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen now to our cut number four.
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Speaker 1: This is Sarah Plowman at CTV. We're circling back to
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Speaker 1: the moment this baby disappears on the front yard with grandma.
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Speaker 1: Three year old was last seen by his grandmother in
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Speaker 1: Truro here in her backyard for the first time. Today,
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Speaker 1: she spoke with CTV news. I went to tie the
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Speaker 1: dog on her lead and I turned around, and Dylan
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Speaker 1: is just it's gone, just gone. I have no explanation.
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Speaker 1: Parson says it all happened in about eighteen to twenty seconds.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't recall anyone nearby who looked suspicious. But I
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Speaker 1: don't think he went near the water. I don't think.
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Speaker 1: I think somebody, somebody has them to not be able
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Speaker 1: to have you here. You am laughing, playing, I'm just destroyed.
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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our cut nineteen Avery Haynes,
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Speaker 1: W five put your dove inside? Did you make a
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Speaker 1: mistake and you're just not saying it? I just know
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Speaker 1: something's wrong. I felt it since day one. Jason and
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Speaker 1: Ashley both feel as though there's just something missing and
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Speaker 1: that you're not sharing it because you're scared of getting
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Speaker 1: charged criminally with neglect. There's nothing that's a secret. Even
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Speaker 1: I know there's something not right. There's a puzzle piece missing,
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Speaker 1: and you don't have the piece of that and I
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Speaker 1: don't have it. I don't have that piece. Are you
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Speaker 1: responsible for your grandson's disappearance? In my mind? Yes, Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Jason an Ashley both feel as
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Speaker 1: though there's just something missing and that you're not sharing
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Speaker 1: it because you're scared of getting charged criminally with neglect.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing that's a secret. Even I know there's something
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Speaker 1: not right. There's a puzzle piece missing, and you don't
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Speaker 1: have the piece of that, and I don't have it.
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Speaker 1: I don't have that piece. Are you responsible for your
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Speaker 1: grandson's disappearance? In my mind yes, reality probably yes. You
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Speaker 1: call your mom Dorothy, I do why after my son
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Speaker 1: went missing. I can't look at her. I can't speak
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Speaker 1: to her. I don't want her in my life. I
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Speaker 1: just I don't consider her mother anymore. You're hearing the
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Speaker 1: voice of Dylan's mother, Ashley Brown, referring to her own mother,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Dorothy Parsons. Ashley, why do you say that? Um, Well,
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Speaker 1: my kids are everything, Dylan everything, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: he's gone it just destroyed our entire family. I think
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Speaker 1: I'm always been a whole responsible. What do you feel
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Speaker 1: is missing? Because to me it doesn't sound right either.
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's at least sometimes eighteen I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily feel like she was malicious and invent or anything,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a peoplement thing the time,
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Speaker 1: whether she did something else, they all went back inside
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Speaker 1: for some reasons. There's some time missing. It's more than
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Speaker 1: something is missing. You're right, because Jason, let me tell
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Speaker 1: you a story. I took my twins. They're now fourteen,
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Speaker 1: but when they were just I'd say they're about three.
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Speaker 1: They're walking really well, they could run. We went to
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Speaker 1: one of those giant baby superstores and I was looking
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Speaker 1: for organic sunscreen, and I found that in those superstores
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Speaker 1: they have floor way almost to the ceiling shelves. So
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Speaker 1: I was all the way down on my knees looking
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Speaker 1: on the bottom shelf, trying to find this from my children,
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Speaker 1: and the twins were right behind me, and they both
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Speaker 1: were wearing those little crocs. So I look and look
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Speaker 1: and look, and I'm talking to them and my daughter's
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Speaker 1: answering me back. Finally I get up and I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess they don't, haven't. I turned around and there
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Speaker 1: was Lucy, but no John David. I had probably been
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Speaker 1: down there all in maybe three minutes, not looking at them.
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Speaker 1: They were right there with me, and I didn't hear
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Speaker 1: him leave. And you know, I picked up my daughter
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Speaker 1: like a football and started running and screaming to lock
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Speaker 1: the doors in case someone. I thought maybe somebody got
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Speaker 1: him and was leaving, and I was running full speed
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Speaker 1: like a quarterback down the main aisle. Didn't see him, screaming,
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Speaker 1: screaming at the top of my lungs, turned around coming back.
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Speaker 1: He had been playing and had snuck away and was running,
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Speaker 1: and like when I would run, he would be going
23:49
Speaker 1: back and forth between the aisles and I didn't see him.
23:53
Speaker 1: So it can happen just like that. But eighteen seconds
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Speaker 1: from a front yard and I'm looking at photos right now,
24:02
Speaker 1: the pictures, and there's not a lot of houses out there.
24:08
Speaker 1: It's a paved road with homes. But I think you'll
24:13
Speaker 1: be really hard for just eighteen seconds to pass. And
24:19
Speaker 1: you don't see him running up and down that street.
24:21
Speaker 1: I mean you can see, I would say, at least
24:24
Speaker 1: a quarter of a mile down the street unobscured vision.
24:29
Speaker 1: So something isn't right. Can I mentioned something? He also
24:34
Speaker 1: had a pair of boots on that we're a size
24:37
Speaker 1: too big, so that would have made him eat a
24:39
Speaker 1: little slower. Wow, now you're saying and the sound I
24:43
Speaker 1: just played that something is not right. Tell me what
24:48
Speaker 1: you think happened. Because a parent's gut is usually correct
24:52
Speaker 1: in my experience. Go ahead, what do you think? So
24:55
Speaker 1: what I think is, well, it started when I first
24:57
Speaker 1: showed up. The officer pulled my parents or my mom
25:01
Speaker 1: and my sisters the side, and the officer did say
25:04
Speaker 1: that there's two different stories. One that she ran upstairs
25:09
Speaker 1: to put the dog in, ran back down Dylan was gone,
25:12
Speaker 1: and then the one where she went downstairs to tie
25:14
Speaker 1: the dog. And then that was the last time we've
25:17
Speaker 1: seen that officer. So I thought, you know, something's odd,
25:21
Speaker 1: and I never I don't know just the way she's
25:26
Speaker 1: she acted. The waiters stories Cheam and I under a
25:33
Speaker 1: full grown dog that was very, very hyper. He was
25:36
Speaker 1: a King Shepherd colleague, and to tie dogs for a minute,
25:40
Speaker 1: two minutes, five minutes, you'd know where that child's at.
25:43
Speaker 1: I mean it was a puppy. That puppy should have
25:46
Speaker 1: been triggered by him running. He was only a five
25:50
Speaker 1: to six month old puppy. Just a lot of little
25:52
Speaker 1: things that don't make sense, and that that short amount
25:55
Speaker 1: of time. How has she the mother Dorothy Parson's the
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Speaker 1: grandmother of Dylan, how has she acted since he went missing?
26:05
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Ashley Brown, Um, I I find
26:12
Speaker 1: that she's she's just trying to push off the flame. Um,
26:19
Speaker 1: I don't see her doing a lot like in the
26:23
Speaker 1: type of things like doing posters, doing searching, rallying for Dylan.
26:30
Speaker 1: I don't see any of that. Was her home searched
26:33
Speaker 1: carefully at the time, Jason eller Um. They said they
26:38
Speaker 1: checked her home three time and and no, nothing unusual there,
26:44
Speaker 1: nothing unusual there. As far as let me ask you
26:47
Speaker 1: this to you Ashley and Jason, both of you who
26:52
Speaker 1: saw Dylan last that day? Did any neighbors see him outside?
26:58
Speaker 1: Anybody other than the grandmother thought that we know of.
27:02
Speaker 1: There was no neighbors outside that you know, but everybody
27:08
Speaker 1: should have been around. We were in it just started
27:11
Speaker 1: the COVID lockdown, in lockdown, so everybody should have basically
27:16
Speaker 1: been home. This was during COVID lockdown. There were no
27:20
Speaker 1: witnesses that saw Dylan OUs in the yard that day.
27:22
Speaker 1: Who else was it how when he went missing? Other
27:24
Speaker 1: than his grandma? As far as we know, nobody. Dorothy's
27:31
Speaker 1: husband comes home to lunch every day from work, so
27:36
Speaker 1: he was at home approximately twelve o'clock, and it stated
27:42
Speaker 1: that he left to go back to work about ten
27:45
Speaker 1: to one did he see Dylan. He saw Dylan when
27:49
Speaker 1: he came home from lunch chest they were still inside,
27:51
Speaker 1: so Dylan was inside until ten to one, twelve fifty?
27:55
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Is her husband his Dylan's biological grandfather.
28:07
Speaker 1: Had there ever been any incidents with Dylan while he
28:11
Speaker 1: was in the care of your mother and her husband.
28:15
Speaker 1: Not to my knowledge. He never came home with bruises.
28:17
Speaker 1: He never complained that. No, no, nothing like that. We
28:22
Speaker 1: have rumors that Dylan had, so we know he was
28:26
Speaker 1: alive and well at twelve fifty. By one fifteen, the
28:30
Speaker 1: neighbors were hearing screens. Is that correct, Jason? That isn't
28:36
Speaker 1: a hundred percent correct. The neighbor across from hers stated
28:39
Speaker 1: that she wasn't acting erratic like a grandmother that lost
28:44
Speaker 1: a child. The neighbor down the street seen her looking
28:50
Speaker 1: around and asked what happened. They think that's how it went. Okay,
28:53
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're saying. Tell me from the beginning.
28:57
Speaker 1: First of all, my first question was Jeal's alive at
29:00
Speaker 1: twelve fifty twelve fifty PM, alive and well. When the
29:05
Speaker 1: husband leads to go back to work at one fifteen,
29:08
Speaker 1: neighbors here screams. Is that part right? I'm he guys
29:13
Speaker 1: says differently. The timeline is from the police department Nancy,
29:17
Speaker 1: where they we know that ter a police at one
29:20
Speaker 1: twenty four. That's when they say the call was made
29:23
Speaker 1: to the police to nine one one at one twenty four.
29:27
Speaker 1: The claim that was after you know, he went missing
29:29
Speaker 1: at approximately one fifteen. And that's from the reports from
29:35
Speaker 1: the police department. So, Jason Eller, we have established with
29:40
Speaker 1: Dave Matt that the screams were heard at one fifteen,
29:44
Speaker 1: the call was made by neighbors at one twenty four
29:46
Speaker 1: to nine one one. But you're telling me that there
29:50
Speaker 1: was some inconsistency in the story. What inconsistency, Jason Eller?
29:58
Speaker 1: There's some inconsistent because when our PI went in canvas
30:03
Speaker 1: the area the witnesses, Um, we're not talking like she
30:09
Speaker 1: was screaming. Um, it was completely different. Actually, there's stories
30:14
Speaker 1: don't actually compel with the grandmother's stories. So um he
30:18
Speaker 1: had he That's that's one of his big concerns. You
30:22
Speaker 1: know that they weren't properly questions. So let me ask
30:25
Speaker 1: you what did the neighbors say happened? Um? She apparently, Um,
30:30
Speaker 1: the neighbor lad across from her, said that I thought
30:33
Speaker 1: if he wasn't acting erratic like uh like you know,
30:37
Speaker 1: being she figured she would be more loud and be scared.
30:41
Speaker 1: But she looked more calm and she should be. Another
30:45
Speaker 1: neighbor said that she was seen at twelve thirty looking.
30:50
Speaker 1: Another neighbor said that he noticed something. Maybe there wasn't
30:56
Speaker 1: her yelling for doing maybe once I know, the neighbor
31:00
Speaker 1: went down and look through the brook and there was nothing.
31:03
Speaker 1: There was no child. I believe you mentioned earlier that
31:06
Speaker 1: a neighbor spotted her looking for Dylan. So apparently this
31:13
Speaker 1: lady was waiting and she Dorothy had came to her
31:18
Speaker 1: door and asked her if she was being daing. So,
31:21
Speaker 1: Jason Eller, you're saying that right around the time that
31:26
Speaker 1: the grandma was looking for Dylan, a neighbor went and
31:29
Speaker 1: looked in the creek and there was no child in
31:32
Speaker 1: the water at all. There was no child in sight anywhere.
31:38
Speaker 1: There were no footprints, no nothing. Straight back out to
31:41
Speaker 1: IRV Brandt joining me, former US Marshall's Service and author
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Speaker 1: of Flying Solo, Top of the World on Amazon, or again,
31:49
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. If a neighbor went
31:52
Speaker 1: immediately and checked out the creek, and there was no
31:56
Speaker 1: child in the water, and there was no child were
32:00
Speaker 1: to be seen that quickly, remember eighteen seconds before the
32:05
Speaker 1: grandma says she realized he was gone. That makes it
32:09
Speaker 1: really hard for me believe that child ended up in
32:11
Speaker 1: any water. That's correct, you would it would lead you
32:15
Speaker 1: to believe that the child was taken and probably transported
32:19
Speaker 1: by car at that point, and was probably kidnapped instead
32:23
Speaker 1: of woundered off like you said, you could see in
32:27
Speaker 1: both directions up the road, if the child was running
32:30
Speaker 1: up and down the road, and if someone checked down
32:33
Speaker 1: by the creek and didn't see any footprint, didn't see
32:37
Speaker 1: a child, it would be a reasonable assumption to believe
32:42
Speaker 1: that someone picked him up. Ashley Brown, tell me about
32:45
Speaker 1: that creek near Dorothy Parsons home. How deep is it? Well,
32:50
Speaker 1: on that day it was deeper than usual. In some
32:53
Speaker 1: spots that was almost chest deep. But normally it's not.
33:00
Speaker 1: It's not an overly deep brook. Now you're saying a brook.
33:06
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a middle image of what kind
33:09
Speaker 1: is it like a river? Or how? Why does it
33:12
Speaker 1: is it something that children play in? Had Dylan ever
33:14
Speaker 1: played in it before. Dylan has never played in it before.
33:17
Speaker 1: He's never been down to that brook, and I don't
33:20
Speaker 1: think kids play in it in that area. It flows
33:25
Speaker 1: underneath the train tracks that come from the train yard,
33:30
Speaker 1: and there there's quite a bit of debris in it.
33:33
Speaker 1: It's not overly wide. It's it's a brook. Um, it's
33:36
Speaker 1: a small it's a small brook. It's probably a few
33:39
Speaker 1: feet wide. I would guess maybe five six feet wide.
33:43
Speaker 1: But you're saying it was six feet deep. I mean
33:46
Speaker 1: chest deep. That'd be four feet in some spots, yes,
33:50
Speaker 1: not all, not all areas of it. The reason I'm
33:53
Speaker 1: asking if he had ever played in it before, Jason Eller,
33:57
Speaker 1: is if he had never played in it, then how
33:58
Speaker 1: would he even know to go to it? Law I
34:01
Speaker 1: know law enforcement. We're trying to say he heard it
34:04
Speaker 1: or search and rescue, which I didn't believe. So that
34:07
Speaker 1: brook some places were about waist deep. There's no one
34:11
Speaker 1: spot in that brook that's chestie. I know that brook
34:14
Speaker 1: to the back of my head now. I've been to
34:16
Speaker 1: it at the highest points. I know. They did a
34:18
Speaker 1: mannequin test that they had to take the weights out.
34:21
Speaker 1: It completely failed. They had to push the mannequin out
34:24
Speaker 1: of the brook into the river. Then they had to
34:25
Speaker 1: push it down the river. I mean, like there's so
34:32
Speaker 1: much to breed in that brook. There's actually a tree
34:34
Speaker 1: that was crossing the brook and all the branches were
34:37
Speaker 1: coming down. I remember when it dried up and we
34:39
Speaker 1: were going through it. We had to push our way
34:41
Speaker 1: through these branches to keep going through the brook. And
34:45
Speaker 1: there were many types of what are they call it
34:51
Speaker 1: fences in the brook, so many logs crossing. So if
34:55
Speaker 1: he had gone in that brook, he would have been found.
34:57
Speaker 1: It was pretty full. There was a there was a
35:00
Speaker 1: spot actually that squirrels in the brook, and it all
35:03
Speaker 1: kind of hits one corner of the brook and it
35:07
Speaker 1: caused some erosion through a hole in the in the
35:10
Speaker 1: corner of the brook. There was a shopping cart in
35:14
Speaker 1: the hole, and that's where his first boot was found.
35:17
Speaker 1: So to me, with the power of the water hit
35:19
Speaker 1: in that corner, he should have been there too. What
35:21
Speaker 1: do you make everyone, you just heard that Dylan's boots
35:24
Speaker 1: were found near the water. Now I'm curious these boots, Jason,
35:29
Speaker 1: you said they were two sizes too big, and then
35:32
Speaker 1: one was in one spot by the water and the
35:35
Speaker 1: other was in another spot by the water. Dylan boots
35:39
Speaker 1: were a size too big, and so one was found
35:43
Speaker 1: in a shopping cart underwater, and it was by I
35:46
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was a beaver dam, but there was
35:48
Speaker 1: a build up of debris from the water swirling into
35:51
Speaker 1: that corner. So to me, it was almost impossible for
35:53
Speaker 1: him to get out of that spot. And then he
35:56
Speaker 1: would have to pass a tree, the one that you
35:59
Speaker 1: would have to dig through to get through, and his
36:03
Speaker 1: boot was through all that and it made it just
36:05
Speaker 1: a boat to the mouth of the river. But it
36:08
Speaker 1: must have sunk there. See when it when you when
36:11
Speaker 1: it comes out to the end of the brook where
36:13
Speaker 1: just before it merges to the river, there's like some backflow.
36:17
Speaker 1: So anything that just a boat hits the river kind
36:19
Speaker 1: of floats back up the brook a little bit. So
36:22
Speaker 1: it's quite an interesting area. The mannequin did the same thing.
36:25
Speaker 1: It kind of floated back up. It didn't work that
36:27
Speaker 1: Bloody had had to push it in. Who bought him
36:30
Speaker 1: the boots His grandmother did. It was it was either
36:35
Speaker 1: for Easter or for his birthday. The two were pretty
36:37
Speaker 1: close together just before he went missing, So the grandma
36:41
Speaker 1: bought him the boots just before he goes missing. Do
36:44
Speaker 1: you believe Jason and Ashley that he actually went into
36:49
Speaker 1: the water. No, I think there's more to the story,
36:53
Speaker 1: and I always have Ashley. Do you think he went
36:58
Speaker 1: into the water? I definitely think that there's more to
37:00
Speaker 1: the story. But I also think with the time delays
37:03
Speaker 1: with search and rescue, if he was somehow not seen
37:08
Speaker 1: and he would have had time to make it to
37:11
Speaker 1: the brooks. So for me, I'm still I'm still fifty
37:15
Speaker 1: fifty with it, see and I'm almost the same fifty
37:20
Speaker 1: fifty because search and rescue did take three hours for
37:23
Speaker 1: boots from the ground, and in fact they were ready
37:26
Speaker 1: within fifteen to twenty minutes, So that's on the police.
37:28
Speaker 1: But the neighbor went and looked at the water immediately
37:32
Speaker 1: and said there was not a child there. When I
37:35
Speaker 1: arrived at three, there was nobody there except for one
37:38
Speaker 1: officer and the canine just went into the woods. And
37:42
Speaker 1: I know when the canine unit came out, the one
37:44
Speaker 1: officer and the dog. The dog wasn't west, the officer
37:47
Speaker 1: wasn't wet, and in fact, the officer told me that
37:51
Speaker 1: this dog's not meant for looking for children, especially after
37:54
Speaker 1: this much loss of time, So that's true story. I
37:58
Speaker 1: don't make that stuff up. I understand that it took
38:02
Speaker 1: them three hours to get there. I understand what you're
38:05
Speaker 1: saying about the dog. A neighbor went straight to the
38:10
Speaker 1: creek when the grandma screamed, and there was not a
38:15
Speaker 1: child in the water. That suggests the child was never
38:21
Speaker 1: at the water. I mean, does any of this making sense,
38:25
Speaker 1: James shal Nutt, No, it doesn't make sense. The neighbor
38:29
Speaker 1: goes straight to the water, doesn't see the child, the
38:31
Speaker 1: search and rescue doesn't find the child in the water.
38:34
Speaker 1: I'm almost wondering if either the boots were staged or
38:37
Speaker 1: if someone just tried to get rid of the boots
38:39
Speaker 1: in the water and the child was somewhere else. I
38:41
Speaker 1: keep hearing that the one where one boot was, Where
38:44
Speaker 1: was the other boot, Ashley Brown? The other boot was
38:47
Speaker 1: found farther down the brook, closer to the opening to
38:51
Speaker 1: Salmon River, and it was found submerged as well. Guys,
38:55
Speaker 1: if you have information on the disappearance of this beautiful boy,
39:00
Speaker 1: Dylan Eller, please dial nine zero two eight nine five
39:06
Speaker 1: five three five one repeat nine zero two eight nine
39:12
Speaker 1: five five three five one No one has been named
39:16
Speaker 1: a person of interest or a suspect or a defendant.
39:21
Speaker 1: We don't know where Dylan is or how he went missing,
39:26
Speaker 1: but many people believe he never went in the water.
39:32
Speaker 1: So where is he? Nancy Gray's Crime Story, signing off
39:37
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,