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Love and Rockets Book Club #80 - Vol. 2 #10 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good afternoon, everybody! Welcome back to 22 Panels in the Love & Rockets Book Club that I just barely managed to start recording, because our favorite cat, Eddie, is very much in the mood to have his head pet.
• 0:16
  Tad Eggleston: And only by my right hand, so it makes it much harder to do things on my computer, because…
• 0:23
  Tad Eggleston: Because right now, my right hand is required for scratching… scratching heads and necks.
• 0:30
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 0:31
  Tad Eggleston: Hey, Maria! Hey, Marisol, how you doing?
• 0:34
  Maria Pena: Good morning.
• 0:34
  Tad Eggleston: I'll do my best to flip pages. It's gonna be harder than normal right now.
• 0:40
  Maria Pena: To become ambidextrous.
• 0:42
  Tad Eggleston: Move the mouse over to the left hand.
• 0:45
  Marisol: We'll see how this works out.
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: He'll get bored eventually, maybe.
• 0:51
  Marisol: Possibly.
• 0:53
  Tad Eggleston: Or decide to actually sit in my lap, rather than… Where he can…
• 0:58
  Tad Eggleston: do the max amount of damage if I stop paying attention to him, which is where he's put himself now.
• 1:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's like…
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: You don't want your coffee knocked over? You don't want this stack of books knocked over? Then you better pay attention to me.
• 1:11
  Marisol: Better keep up with the scritches.
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: That's the rules!
• 1:18
  Marisol: This is the price we pay for having domesticated cats.
• 1:22
  Tad Eggleston: We didn't, though. They domesticated us.
• 1:25
  Marisol: That's fair.
• 1:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 1:28
  Tad Eggleston: It's also true.
• 1:29
  Tad Eggleston: They just followed the grain, and then we noticed that when cats were around.
• 1:34
  Tad Eggleston: There were no mice eating the grain.
• 1:37
  Tad Eggleston: And therefore, we started doing things like leaving milk out to keep the cats around, because the cats hypnotized us or something.
• 1:47
  Maria Pena: But yeah…
• 1:48
  Marisol: About right.
• 1:49
  Tad Eggleston: Cats just kind of.
• 1:50
  Maria Pena: In other words…
• 1:50
  Tad Eggleston: Farming, and… and made themselves necessary.
• 1:54
  Maria Pena: They were in cahoots with the rats, you know, they…
• 1:57
  Marisol: Oh, for sure.
• 2:00
  Maria Pena: I'll bring you something else. Come on, leave the humans to me.
• 2:05
  Tad Eggleston: Well, also, they've… they've got… they've got some sort of…
• 2:09
  Tad Eggleston: Like, part of their scent is, like, A hallucinogen for mice?
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: Oh! So, so, so, like…
• 2:20
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes mice, like, literally don't realize that they're in danger. That's how cats can get away with playing with their food, because their food.
• 2:29
  Maria Pena: Who doesn't play.
• 2:29
  Tad Eggleston: Like, it's at a point where it doesn't realize that it's food anymore. It's like, oh, this is fun!
• 2:36
  Marisol: We're just hanging out, it's great!
• 2:40
  Marisol: You heard it here first, folks. Cat facts with 22 panels.
• 2:44
  Tad Eggleston: I think that they also have, you know, they always show snakes with those hypnotic eyes in, like, cartoons and stuff, but I think it's really
• 2:51
  Tad Eggleston: that's, because… My old kid, Matt, would sit in the window.
• 2:57
  Tad Eggleston: And stare at the birds in the trees?
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: and convince them that they had to dive bomb him. And they would dive bomb the window and knock themselves out.
• 3:11
  Marisol: Oh, no.
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: stop them. If he was in the window, you would hear, like, a bonk.
• 3:15
  Maria Pena: Hong.
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: Every 10 minutes or so.
• 3:19
  Marisol: Excuse me.
• 3:19
  Tad Eggleston: I once came home, and they were like…
• 3:21
  Tad Eggleston: Four passed out birds in the bushes in front of the house.
• 3:25
  Tad Eggleston: And you go over there, and you find out that, you know, you can see that there's a little bit of breathing, or a little bit of twitching. They're just passed out. They eventually get a… but, like.
• 3:34
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty certain all the birds in our neighborhood had regular concussions due to that cat.
• 3:38
  Maria Pena: Oh, gosh.
• 3:39
  Tad Eggleston: And all he did was… all he did was sit in the window.
• 3:44
  Maria Pena: I didn't do anything. It was just…
• 3:47
  Tad Eggleston: He convinced them! He convinced them that they had to go on the offensive.
• 3:51
  Marisol: Of course.
• 3:53
  Tad Eggleston: And somehow, they never learned that there was a window there.
• 3:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 3:58
  Tad Eggleston: And thank God they never broke it.
• 4:01
  Marisol: Yes.
• 4:02
  Tad Eggleston: That was always what I was worried, that I was gonna come home, and there was gonna be a broken window, because he somehow…
• 4:07
  Tad Eggleston: he somehow hypnotized, like, the big bird. Yup.
• 4:12
  Marisol: And it came crashing through.
• 4:14
  Tad Eggleston: I don't.
• 4:15
  Marisol: And then now you've got multiple problems, because then you've got a broken window, you got a bird in your house that's concocted.
• 4:22
  Marisol: And then…
• 4:22
  Tad Eggleston: Probably at that point, I'd have a dead bird in the house, because I think once they got in the house, Matt would have taken care of business.
• 4:29
  Marisol: That's fair.
• 4:31
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, just remembering some of the things he did to flies or mosquitoes.
• 4:37
  Tad Eggleston: Which Kelly dubbed Sky Raisins because of the way he treated them.
• 4:45
  Marisol: Such funny little creatures. I love cats.
• 4:47
  Tad Eggleston: They're great. I love cats, too.
• 4:48
  Maria Pena: too.
• 4:49
  Tad Eggleston: Don't get me wrong, my dog is amazing.
• 4:52
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly if he's listening.
• 4:54
  Tad Eggleston: Potato's a very good dog.
• 4:57
  Tad Eggleston: But cats are hilarious.
• 4:58
  Marisol: Yes.
• 5:01
  Marisol: So, Love and Rockets…
• 5:03
  Tad Eggleston: Number 10, Volume 2, Number 10. So this is the 60th regular issue of Love and Rockets.
• 5:11
  Tad Eggleston: Over, what, probably, like, 20 years at this point.
• 5:15
  Marisol: And is this the first one that's the big double issue?
• 5:19
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think… I think if you… if you think… if you go back…
• 5:24
  Tad Eggleston: Issue 10, Issue 20, maybe Issue 30? They've kind of done bigger issues on the 10s.
• 5:34
  Maria Pena: Right.
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: In general.
• 5:36
  Marisol: Gotcha.
• 5:37
  Tad Eggleston: It's just been a while, because between… between, like, having all of the in-between year stuff, and… Whatnot.
• 5:45
  Marisol: That's true, we didn't go straight to Volume 2, we had a bunch of stuff in between.
• 5:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right. It's probably been almost a year since we did Issue 50.
• 5:54
  Maria Pena: Mmm, yeah.
• 5:56
  Tad Eggleston: Hello.
• 5:58
  Maria Pena: Alrighty.
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: But, we got a lot of Julio Stay in this one.
• 6:05
  Marisol: We did.
• 6:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:06
  Marisol: 2?
• 6:07
  Maria Pena: like.
• 6:08
  Marisol: Two stories? Like, the first and the last one for Julio's death?
• 6:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it was like, it was like the, the, I think.
• 6:16
  Maria Pena: one story… Divided into two?
• 6:19
  Tad Eggleston: Two pages at the beginning, and then I think… was it one or two at the end?
• 6:24
  Marisol: They have two.
• 6:29
  Maria Pena: Oh, another thing, yeah… oh, no, just one more.
• 6:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, just once.
• 6:37
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 6:38
  Maria Pena: One more.
• 6:39
  Tad Eggleston: And not at the end, near the end.
• 6:42
  Marisol: God.
• 6:43
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:44
  Maria Pena: So, but it felt more like,
• 6:49
  Maria Pena: I mean, we've just been getting these vignettes of a day in… Julio's World kind of thing.
• 6:56
  Maria Pena: Right. And this was more of a story about child abuse, I guess.
• 7:01
  Tad Eggleston: And this… this vignette has… has kind of some deeper…
• 7:06
  Tad Eggleston: Implications on a lot of the vignettes that we have had.
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: We're, we're, like…
• 7:16
  Tad Eggleston: Julio's sister knows that this particular uncle is… not a good guy, so that implies that, like…
• 7:23
  Tad Eggleston: He had not been a good guy to her, or to the… when…
• 7:27
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 7:28
  Tad Eggleston: When they were young.
• 7:30
  Maria Pena: And then… but the people around…
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: And everybody kinda, kinda brushes her off.
• 7:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah, which is exactly what happens in real life.
• 7:38
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 7:39
  Marisol: Oh, yeah.
• 7:39
  Tad Eggleston: And then… and then they come home, and the… the baby's missing, and it's like, oh, oh, no, I have… I found him! You didn't find him, you took him into the fucking woods yourself. The baby didn't go there on its own.
• 7:51
  Marisol: The dad left the uncle with the baby alone.
• 7:54
  Marisol: Right, yeah. And that was his opportunity.
• 7:57
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 7:59
  Tad Eggleston: But that… And the muds… the mudslide makes it… So, it's the… The dad, and…
• 8:09
  Maria Pena: Everybody.
• 8:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, everybody except the bad uncle.
• 8:13
  Marisol: Yep.
• 8:16
  Marisol: Ain't that how it always goes?
• 8:18
  Tad Eggleston: But then… And then, their mom kind of surprises them.
• 8:23
  Tad Eggleston: Because they're worried it's gonna be hard to send mom away, or send Juan away, because, like, it's mom's brother, that sort of thing.
• 8:33
  Tad Eggleston: And then it's like, no, Julio, if Benjamin and Sophia say Uncle Juan did bad things, I believe them.
• 8:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 8:44
  Maria Pena: Yeah, because Julio wasn't denying that anything.
• 8:48
  Maria Pena: Juan did it, you know, like, his brother says, you know, Juan did it to you and to others.
• 8:54
  Maria Pena: Right. The only things you heard.
• 8:57
  Maria Pena: Julio says, so he, he actually…
• 9:01
  Maria Pena: Wants to keep the peace, and… Which is wonderful.
• 9:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and or he was that young.
• 9:08
  Maria Pena: He's blocked it out.
• 9:09
  Tad Eggleston: He might have also been a baby, so he might not remember.
• 9:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:16
  Maria Pena: What about that kid at the end that looks like, it's got a monobrow, like, cream color?
• 9:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and it seems to always be raining here. Have you noticed that?
• 9:27
  Maria Pena: But the rain is stopping at the end of…
• 9:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 9:31
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:33
  Marisol: Yeah, it's like, every time we get…
• 9:34
  Tad Eggleston: All of the Julio's Day stories are in the rain.
• 9:37
  Marisol: Always.
• 9:38
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:39
  Maria Pena: Even when he's in the city looking at the flappers, because obviously we must be.
• 9:43
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 9:43
  Maria Pena: 20s.
• 9:47
  Marisol: Rain all day, every day.
• 9:49
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:52
  Tad Eggleston: And then we go straight into Maggie without even any introductory page.
• 9:57
  Tad Eggleston: And man, was this Maggie story great.
• 10:01
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:01
  Marisol: So true.
• 10:05
  Marisol: So this is.
• 10:06
  Maria Pena: Way after the fire that,
• 10:09
  Maria Pena: burned Mrs. Galindo's house, which is Izzy's house.
• 10:13
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I think these… I think these, these… these… druggy, spiritual, Satanist-type…
• 10:25
  Tad Eggleston: Dorks.
• 10:26
  Tad Eggleston: Dosed her drink.
• 10:29
  Marisol: Oh, for sure.
• 10:30
  Maria Pena: this.
• 10:31
  Marisol: See him do it, and, like.
• 10:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:33
  Marisol: Ben?
• 10:33
  Marisol: With the little bottle?
• 10:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and he said that he was dosing everybody else's drink, but I think he dosed Maggie's, too.
• 10:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:43
  Marisol: I figured he did with what she was seeing later on in the story.
• 10:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I mean, I guess what I didn't know for certain initially was, like, whether he was a…
• 10:54
  Tad Eggleston: So much of a dick that he hadn't…
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: That he dosed her without her asking, or whether or not she'd actually done any drinking, because she figures out pretty quickly that, like, they're… they're dicks.
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: But then, yeah, the trippier things go, and she's not feeling well, it's like, oh, no, they totally dosed her out.
• 11:19
  Marisol: Well, they at least had a sip or two.
• 11:22
  Tad Eggleston: The history of the house, yeah.
• 11:24
  Maria Pena: It does show her having a seat. Jaime doesn't show her, but… but you don't know. Was it a… was it a trip? Maybe that's the thing, maybe… was it a trip?
• 11:34
  Maria Pena: induced by the drink, or was it just, you know, the usual buggy, weird shit around?
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 11:40
  Maria Pena: You know, because, I mean, was it easy?
• 11:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and it's definitely playing with, like, Peyote, Vision Quests, and…
• 11:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 11:52
  Tad Eggleston: And that sort of thing, where, you know… Hallucinogens are used to specifically go after.
• 12:01
  Tad Eggleston: specific information.
• 12:03
  Maria Pena: Yeah, to open your…
• 12:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 12:07
  Marisol: open your mind up a bit.
• 12:08
  Tad Eggleston: Because what we start seeing is actually before Maggie's around.
• 12:14
  Maria Pena: Yes, Maggie was… I wasn't even born, so she meets Mrs. Galinda.
• 12:19
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, Mrs. Glindo, all happy to have moved in.
• 12:22
  Maria Pena: And then, later on, when she's sick and.
• 12:25
  Tad Eggleston: But getting cursed by these, these…
• 12:28
  Tad Eggleston: Ladies that she won't give money to.
• 12:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:33
  Maria Pena: And then she's sick in bed and stuff.
• 12:36
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 12:37
  Maria Pena: And then Maggie sees herself as a… as a… as a little toddler with… with Izzy.
• 12:42
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 12:44
  Tad Eggleston: Izzy.
• 12:45
  Maria Pena: And, Louise?
• 12:51
  Maria Pena: And that's very hectic shim, isn't it?
• 12:55
  Tad Eggleston: We get the moment where she decides it's okay for her to be Maggie, too.
• 13:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It's like, oh, he's… he's so nice to that lady, then he can call me Maggie.
• 13:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 13:09
  Maria Pena: That's such a great mixture of… of Hank Ketchum and Charles Schultz.
• 13:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 13:16
  Maria Pena: Like, the way that the dirt is… the cross-hatching on her is very Hank's Kitchen.
• 13:23
  Maria Pena: Right. And then the… the shape of the head and the…
• 13:27
  Maria Pena: the way the mouth works, it's all shorts. It's really cool.
• 13:33
  Tad Eggleston: And the backgrounds are… are… all Jaime.
• 13:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 13:41
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's cool stuff. Oh, I love…
• 13:44
  Maria Pena: That, you know, that, that,
• 13:48
  Maria Pena: What is it? Second from the top on the left, with Maggie's little bottom. That is so cute.
• 13:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 13:55
  Maria Pena: You know, how those stiff little dresses that they put on.
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 13:58
  Maria Pena: They're a child, and they… they just…
• 14:00
  Marisol: Little poofy ones.
• 14:02
  Maria Pena: The Sierra underwear is so cute.
• 14:05
  Maria Pena: I mean, it's so beautifully observed.
• 14:08
  Marisol: And of course, she's getting all dirty and playing around in the pretty dress.
• 14:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:16
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, she's filthy.
• 14:19
  Maria Pena: She didn't… she'd be…
• 14:21
  Marisol: No, we're not.
• 14:21
  Tad Eggleston: She looks like he…
• 14:23
  Marisol: I spent fingers.
• 14:23
  Tad Eggleston: He's been studying pig pen.
• 14:25
  Marisol: Yes.
• 14:26
  Tad Eggleston: Schultz's pig pen?
• 14:28
  Maria Pena: Haha.
• 14:32
  Tad Eggleston: But then we've got the, the, the teenage. She gets to see Leti again.
• 14:37
  Maria Pena: Is that Mrs. Galindo? The… when she's really old, when she says, why are you so sad? Ghost, that's Mrs. Galindo, isn't it?
• 14:47
  Maria Pena: Much later. So Maggie is the ghost, which is really,
• 14:52
  Maria Pena: Because she's, you know, in the past, I guess.
• 14:55
  Maria Pena: visiting the past, as it goes. Yeah.
• 15:02
  Marisol: She does this sort of thing for a good long while in this story.
• 15:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:08
  Maria Pena: It's like, one minute the house is in ruins, next minute it's back, and she keeps going in and out of…
• 15:14
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and then she finds out that it's been so long since she lived in the hou- er, her house, that, like…
• 15:22
  Tad Eggleston: The people don't remember her family being there, they only remember… People after her family.
• 15:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:31
  Tad Eggleston: Which has gotta be weird when, like, you think of this as your home, but you've been away from it for so long that…
• 15:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I just… I just went through that in El Salvador. I went to visit my old home, and, you know…
• 15:45
  Maria Pena: Nobody knows who we were there now.
• 15:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, how long had it been?
• 15:51
  Maria Pena: 40… 40 odd years, yeah.
• 15:53
  Tad Eggleston: 40 years?
• 15:55
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:55
  Marisol: Wow.
• 15:56
  Maria Pena: I love this, this top panel here. I think that'll be my… I'm kind of putting my own…
• 16:03
  Tad Eggleston: party.
• 16:03
  Maria Pena: for that one. Yeah, because I… it was so nice to see them all young again, and…
• 16:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Maria Pena: And by the way, Hope is sitting on the back of Terry's chair, and Izzy's asleep, and it's just great.
• 16:20
  Marisol: Gang's all here, how we first saw them.
• 16:23
  Maria Pena: Oh, I hope he looks so cute in the next panel, it's just crazy.
• 16:28
  Tad Eggleston: And I love the, thank you, Izzy, you're a fine hostess, or, okay, bye, good rating!
• 16:38
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:40
  Maria Pena: And I love that, that, that, Penny saw a ghost, and it's Maggie, and she says, what did the ghost look like? More like somebody's mom, and that's Maggie.
• 16:52
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 16:53
  Maria Pena: They're so young, you know?
• 16:56
  Maria Pena: My Lord, Maggie's expression, like, oh boy.
• 17:01
  Marisol: Question on this.
• 17:03
  Marisol: What?
• 17:06
  Marisol: This, this bubble confused me here. In the right panel on the second row,
• 17:15
  Marisol: So was it more Luxe interior, or more Phyllis Diller? I don't get that.
• 17:22
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 17:23
  Tad Eggleston: Luxe Interior was, would have been, like, commercials for a, furniture-type…
• 17:30
  Tad Eggleston: And Phyllis Stiller was an actress that played…
• 17:34
  Maria Pena: She was… Still was, like, a comedian, and she was really, like, older woman, but…
• 17:40
  Tad Eggleston: But I think…
• 17:40
  Maria Pena: Truly me.
• 17:41
  Tad Eggleston: I think she was also the mom on a specific…
• 17:46
  Maria Pena: Oh, right.
• 17:47
  Marisol: Like a sitcom?
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 17:50
  Maria Pena: Okay, but Phil is still around…
• 17:53
  Tad Eggleston: Not 100%, I'm checking right now.
• 17:55
  Marisol: Hmm, cause I know I've heard that name before.
• 17:58
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 17:59
  Marisol: I just don't know exactly who she is.
• 18:04
  Maria Pena: Yes, definitely.
• 18:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yo.
• 18:05
  Maria Pena: Actress.
• 18:05
  Tad Eggleston: Back in time…
• 18:07
  Maria Pena: She used to wear crazy hair, and… Crazy makeup, like, really.
• 18:11
  Tad Eggleston: No, she was on Full Houses herself.
• 18:15
  Marisol: Oh.
• 18:16
  Tad Eggleston: She… she was… she was on…
• 18:20
  Maria Pena: Is it that era? Jefferson's.
• 18:22
  Tad Eggleston: herself.
• 18:24
  Tad Eggleston: -
• 18:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no, she's just a voice on that one.
• 18:33
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe she wasn't a mom on anything.
• 18:40
  Maria Pena: Well, I don't think they're saying, somebody's mom.
• 18:44
  Maria Pena: Oh, yay.
• 18:46
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, more somebody's mom.
• 18:48
  Tad Eggleston: That's right, because it was… it was…
• 18:50
  Maria Pena: That's… that's about… about Maggie, and Maggie looks like somebody's mouth.
• 18:56
  Maria Pena: Was… was it more… It was a woman, was it Laxinterior or Philistilla?
• 19:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, fill it, fill it.
• 19:04
  Marisol: distiller wood.
• 19:04
  Tad Eggleston: was a comedian that kind of looked old even before she was old, always had the permed hair, that sort of thing.
• 19:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Marisol: Do not show.
• 19:17
  Maria Pena: Luxe.
• 19:17
  Tad Eggleston: interior…
• 19:21
  Maria Pena: I… yeah, that's…
• 19:22
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess there was… there was a… Lux Interior was… was a singer in the cramps, so, I mean…
• 19:30
  Tad Eggleston: Could have been that.
• 19:33
  Tad Eggleston: But it was a male singer in the cramps.
• 19:39
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 19:40
  Tad Eggleston: But that would have been a punk rock band that… that… that I could.
• 19:48
  Maria Pena: Oh, somebody's wrong.
• 19:52
  Maria Pena: In the morning, though.
• 19:53
  Tad Eggleston: Show a picture of Luxe Interior really quick.
• 19:57
  Tad Eggleston: Because… being that it's Jaime, and cramps are definitely era-appropriate .
• 20:07
  Maria Pena: But is it air-appropriate for the… for the young?
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, that's what I mean. It's era-appropriate for the young locos.
• 20:16
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 20:16
  Tad Eggleston: That, I just shared the wrong one.
• 20:20
  Tad Eggleston: Oops.
• 20:22
  Maria Pena: Get it together, Ted.
• 20:24
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry.
• 20:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So, so that, that's luxury.
• 20:29
  Maria Pena: Superior. Oh, okay.
• 20:31
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 20:32
  Tad Eggleston: Cramps were mostly active in the late 70s, early 80s?
• 20:37
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 20:41
  Tad Eggleston: Christy Wallace was the other… Better known as Poison Ivy.
• 20:47
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay, there you go. So the Luxe interior looks like an old lady there, like, like an old…
• 20:53
  Marisol: looks.
• 20:53
  Maria Pena: Crazy-looking age. Wow. With the makeup and the…
• 20:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, the cramps… the cramps were… they called… well, I mean, as it says here, they called themselves Psycho Billy.
• 21:05
  Tad Eggleston: They were kind of a punk rock, rockabilly… Halloween… Bing.
• 21:17
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: Almost.
• 21:19
  Maria Pena: Psychobilic Dothabili.
• 21:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Maria Pena: Da-da-da, stop.
• 21:24
  Tad Eggleston: But I don't know if anybody else is considered Psycho Billy, Gothabilly, or if that's just what is the best way to come up with what they were. Because, you know, they weren't quite punk.
• 21:35
  Tad Eggleston: They weren't quite rockabilly, and they definitely had that… that goth…
• 21:44
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm trying to remember some of the song names, hopefully we've got some singles.
• 21:50
  Maria Pena: No, but what we're trying to establish is what do they mean? Like, what does… Right.
• 21:55
  Tad Eggleston: But that's what they meant.
• 21:55
  Maria Pena: Question. So the question means punkish, or Philistilla style?
• 22:01
  Tad Eggleston: And there's.
• 22:02
  Marisol: Oh! Okay.
• 22:05
  Maria Pena: So is it that, yeah, okay, so, you know…
• 22:08
  Marisol: No, that makes more sense. Thank you. Bear with me.
• 22:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Marisol: That answers my question.
• 22:19
  Maria Pena: Oh, and then we.
• 22:19
  Tad Eggleston: I'm like.
• 22:20
  Maria Pena: to.
• 22:21
  Tad Eggleston: You're the youngster.
• 22:22
  Maria Pena: speedy.
• 22:23
  Marisol: Yeah. This is all before my time.
• 22:26
  Tad Eggleston: Enjoy your time.
• 22:27
  Maria Pena: Oh, God, it's even before my time, but you know… I mean, it's… yeah.
• 22:33
  Tad Eggleston: This segment here was really crazy, when…
• 22:36
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Tad Eggleston: Seems like every time we saw… .
• 22:42
  Maria Pena: Easy.
• 22:43
  Tad Eggleston: Izzy, she was… she was not only In some crazy pose.
• 22:48
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Maria Pena: But also, Maggie's going through her whole history with Easy, so…
• 22:55
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 22:56
  Maria Pena: a death of Speedy.
• 22:58
  Tad Eggleston: Death this morning.
• 22:59
  Maria Pena: when… When, when, hope you weren't me sing.
• 23:05
  Maria Pena: I'm not sure about this tank one, what happened there? .
• 23:10
  Marisol: Me neither.
• 23:11
  Maria Pena: Can't remember that bit. There's a bit where it is gigantic…
• 23:17
  Marisol: Or she was right.
• 23:18
  Maria Pena: She was writing a book about… but not… Maggie was not included in it.
• 23:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so there's all these different, weird instances of easy… Staff, like, where she's… Hanging from the…
• 23:38
  Maria Pena: From the wall by her head.
• 23:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 23:42
  Maria Pena: Like, that's really fucking creepy.
• 23:45
  Tad Eggleston: act.
• 23:46
  Tad Eggleston: Popping up.
• 23:47
  Marisol: Yep.
• 23:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Maria Pena: I always… yeah.
• 23:51
  Tad Eggleston: The completely upside-down one.
• 23:55
  Maria Pena: And also, and these kids appear again, looking through the window into Izzy's house, so maybe that's what they used to do, trying to snoop.
• 24:05
  Maria Pena: And see her.
• 24:06
  Marisol: ugly.
• 24:11
  Maria Pena: And then.
• 24:12
  Tad Eggleston: But then we have, like, this seemingly well… way more put together Izzy actually arranging for the fire to be set, and that's just…
• 24:21
  Maria Pena: death.
• 24:22
  Tad Eggleston: Weird.
• 24:24
  Maria Pena: And while all this is happening, all of a sudden, Maggie's roots have grown out.
• 24:31
  Maria Pena: Like, her… Her hair's a lot longer. All of a sudden, yeah, her hair's longer, and her roots are showing to the middle of her head.
• 24:40
  Maria Pena: So it's like, was there, like, a time and space continuum?
• 24:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Maria Pena: Anything happened?
• 24:52
  Tad Eggleston: And then when we get back, she got the pool going.
• 24:55
  Maria Pena: Yeah, now she's back in the… Regular… in her regular work.
• 25:00
  Maria Pena: And… Talking to Hopi on the phone.
• 25:05
  Tad Eggleston: Apologizing for not being there for the surgery.
• 25:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Maria Pena: And, Poppy says, I love you, and she's… Again, confused. Once more.
• 25:19
  Maria Pena: That's right.
• 25:20
  Marisol: When it comes to Hopi, Maggie is always a confused mess.
• 25:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Tad Eggleston: That's not going anywhere anytime soon.
• 25:30
  Marisol: I wouldn't imagine it does.
• 25:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so there's that. I love that, the end, those last two frames, too. I love that.
• 25:40
  Marisol: Yeah, that's good.
• 25:41
  Maria Pena: But… yeah.
• 25:45
  Maria Pena: Oh, and here it is. So the next story.
• 25:48
  Tad Eggleston: Catching up on everybody.
• 25:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah, what… whatever happened to…
• 25:53
  Maria Pena: Ines and Bag Bag, and I remember them, and I remember… I don't remember Castle Radium, although…
• 26:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't remember Castle Radium, I don't remember Emaco.
• 26:04
  Marisol: I remember one of the.
• 26:05
  Maria Pena: code.
• 26:05
  Tad Eggleston: Do you remember Emaco?
• 26:07
  Marisol: No.
• 26:08
  Maria Pena: Look at the remote.
• 26:08
  Marisol: Remember our errata stigmata, that's it.
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I remember Arata Sigmata, I remember Inez and Bang Bang.
• 26:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Maria Pena: I don't know about Leonard and Bay, but I don't know.
• 26:19
  Tad Eggleston: They look familiar, but I didn't know their names.
• 26:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah. I definitely remember the Emiko's outfit.
• 26:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Just one of those, so… sci-fi jobs by Beto.
• 26:36
  Maria Pena: And then we have a little, analysis of,
• 26:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 26:41
  Maria Pena: I've always…
• 26:43
  Tad Eggleston: I almost… I almost feel like, causing trouble.
• 26:48
  Tad Eggleston: Cuz, cuz.
• 26:50
  Marisol: Oh, boy.
• 26:51
  Tad Eggleston: Beto and Shelly Bond are good friends, and Shelly is a huge David Bowie fan.
• 26:58
  Tad Eggleston: Aye.
• 27:00
  Marisol: Oh, boy.
• 27:02
  Tad Eggleston: So I feel like… I feel like there's… there's… there's mischief to be had here, if I feel like it.
• 27:08
  Marisol: There's opportunity to sow the seeds of chaos.
• 27:13
  Maria Pena: His, the character's expression is very apologetic, like, I'm sorry I'm saying this about Bowie, but, you know, he ripped off all these people's styles.
• 27:24
  Marisol: I'm gonna… I'm gonna say it anyway.
• 27:27
  Marisol: Let's be cool. I would honestly.
• 27:28
  Tad Eggleston: I honestly argue, though, that, like, he did it better than most.
• 27:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah, well…
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: Like…
• 27:35
  Maria Pena: There's a reason he and Jude…
• 27:36
  Tad Eggleston: the turns first.
• 27:38
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe they made the turns first, but he did it better.
• 27:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Tad Eggleston: I love Roy.
• 27:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah, this is, like, the end of Roark.
• 27:51
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Tad Eggleston: This was super fun, Roy.
• 27:54
  Maria Pena: She was a super fan, it's a pity that he paid the price at the end.
• 27:58
  Maria Pena: All the monsters in the zoo.
• 28:01
  Tad Eggleston: The frozen. That's what you get.
• 28:03
  Marisol: That's what you'd be looking for teasing the fruit.
• 28:06
  Maria Pena: That's right. He's singing, look at me, eating ice cream, and boom!
• 28:12
  Maria Pena: It's all his fault. He deserved to die.
• 28:18
  Marisol: Hmm…
• 28:19
  Maria Pena: I love that lady, that dead lady.
• 28:22
  Maria Pena: Tongue out, eyes wide open.
• 28:27
  Maria Pena: Nick?
• 28:29
  Maria Pena: Turn all the way to the back.
• 28:31
  Maria Pena: Oh, man, I don't know why I thought it found that very funny.
• 28:34
  Tad Eggleston: I, I love the, the little stunt boy.
• 28:38
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah, what's up? We've seen him before, haven't we? Yeah.
• 28:44
  Tad Eggleston: other Royce stories, yeah.
• 28:47
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 28:50
  Maria Pena: Slurping the brains of the men.
• 28:54
  Maria Pena: The epic battle of the Monsters was good.
• 29:02
  Maria Pena: It's a very bloody story.
• 29:06
  Maria Pena: And then…
• 29:07
  Marisol: What an end, though.
• 29:09
  Maria Pena: And I just noticed that there's this explosion here of the, that monster, and .
• 29:17
  Tad Eggleston: the first…
• 29:18
  Marisol: throat.
• 29:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and then in the next story, with the, you know, the Mario story, there's another explosion, and it's very similar. Like, you know, remember Al Jaffeine from Mad Magazine, and he used to, like, always have, like, vomit, and then…
• 29:33
  Maria Pena: at all.
• 29:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 29:34
  Maria Pena: Oh, the vomit always had chicken bones in it and stuff. It's a little bit like that. It's just funny, all the bits.
• 29:40
  Tad Eggleston: I love Dal Jaffe.
• 29:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah, me too.
• 29:46
  Tad Eggleston: This Julio estate was also cool. The…
• 29:50
  Tad Eggleston: the war's coming, I'm going to Europe.
• 29:54
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna take care.
• 29:55
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Maria Pena: Couldn't help me the last word. Who is she? Is she his sister?
• 30:05
  Tad Eggleston: I think so.
• 30:06
  Marisol: think so?
• 30:06
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 30:08
  Marisol: The older sister, right?
• 30:10
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 30:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Marisol: to be.
• 30:15
  Marisol: Cause it was just… her and…
• 30:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and a younger brother.
• 30:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's right, yeah.
• 30:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Marisol: Yeah, the three siblings.
• 30:32
  Marisol: I do like those top two panels between the night and daytime.
• 30:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Marisol: I think it's… it's simple, but it's so…
• 30:42
  Maria Pena: Wonderfully done.
• 30:43
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 30:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Maria Pena: This is good.
• 30:56
  Maria Pena: Okay, that's… I think this is the point where I thought, okay, this would be the end of the… of the issue, and then I turned the page.
• 31:03
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 31:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, shit, there's more!
• 31:04
  Tad Eggleston: And then it's like, oh yeah!
• 31:07
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah!
• 31:08
  Marisol: We have this other… we have a Mario story.
• 31:10
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe for the unknown.
• 31:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Marisol: I… I gotta be honest, I have lost the plot of this particular story.
• 31:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 31:19
  Marisol: I lost it a while ago, but…
• 31:21
  Maria Pena: I was hoping that it would all come clear in the last, install.
• 31:26
  Tad Eggleston: I'll do a little bit of recapping.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I ran away to try to protect you. No, you ran away from your family, prick. I don't want your protection.
• 31:37
  Tad Eggleston: I do… I do…
• 31:39
  Maria Pena: Oh, there's each one.
• 31:39
  Tad Eggleston: Not remember why they wanted to kidnap the son.
• 31:44
  Tad Eggleston: Because you've got the… People getting in trouble because they didn't manage to kidnap the son.
• 31:49
  Marisol: I don't even see…
• 31:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah!
• 31:51
  Marisol: They kidnapped him initially, I think he just kinda…
• 31:54
  Marisol: The kid just kind of got left behind somehow, or she.
• 31:57
  Tad Eggleston: Right, but you've got… what happened? You were supposed to get the Lillard kid.
• 32:02
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Maria Pena: And then, and then the grandmother ends up with the kid, which… but everybody's, like, really, really bummed that she ended up with the kid, and it's like, well, she's.
• 32:19
  Tad Eggleston: There's your explosion.
• 32:20
  Marisol: Yep.
• 32:21
  Maria Pena: That's where you're supposed to look at all the bits. I guess they're bits of people.
• 32:26
  Marisol: Just a few.
• 32:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 32:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Marisol: Like, I can't even fully remember what…
• 32:34
  Marisol: the dad escaped with. No, he escaped with a suitcase. Of, like, something.
• 32:40
  Tad Eggleston: That would either… Sync somebody or save somebody, I forget.
• 32:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Maria Pena: Well, they go… yeah.
• 32:50
  Maria Pena: It doesn't matter now, because it's dead.
• 32:53
  Marisol: Indeed.
• 32:57
  Maria Pena: And…
• 32:57
  Tad Eggleston: Mom became a badass.
• 32:58
  Maria Pena: That old lady that turns up at the end is like, who the fuck is she?
• 33:02
  Marisol: Yeah!
• 33:03
  Maria Pena: Teposperwinkle, it's like, I, thought the old man was the boss.
• 33:11
  Maria Pena: But no, this is a lady.
• 33:16
  Marisol: Final word?
• 33:17
  Marisol: That's me for the end.
• 33:18
  Tad Eggleston: zone.
• 33:19
  Marisol: They say in the title, that's it, the end.
• 33:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah, me for the unknown, for sure. The mother ends up looking like Rena Titan.
• 33:31
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's true. I like this one a lot.
• 33:35
  Marisol: I had to think about it a second. Like, what is that name? Who is that? Oh, I remember. Rena.
• 33:43
  Maria Pena: So, I didn't look him up, but who is Stefan de Leon? I'm looking him up.
• 33:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right now.
• 33:50
  Marisol: Yeah, I also did not look him up, and I also do not know who that is.
• 33:54
  Maria Pena: obviously.
• 33:55
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I know what's.
• 33:56
  Maria Pena: A boxer.
• 33:56
  Tad Eggleston: And it sounds like he was a wrestler.
• 34:00
  Tad Eggleston: That's it.
• 34:01
  Maria Pena: Oh, a wrestler.
• 34:02
  Tad Eggleston: It also won… well, no.
• 34:04
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, yeah, wrestler, wrestler, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:07
  Marisol: A wrestler who became an artist?
• 34:11
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds like he was at least working on it. I'm trying to see if I've got… because I've got…
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: the… the Pro Wrestling Fandom page, I've got the IMDB fam… er, IMDB page.
• 34:23
  Tad Eggleston: But this feels like something that if we found a… Oh? I found his obituary.
• 34:30
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 34:31
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 34:32
  Tad Eggleston: I was trying to see if there was a Wikipedia page, because that would be the… but let's look at the obituary, see what it says.
• 34:40
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 34:41
  Tad Eggleston: Survive by blah blah blah…
• 34:48
  Tad Eggleston: Stefan was a musician, illustrator, professional DJ, and former WWF wrestler who also wrestled independently under the name of the Superstar Destroyer.
• 34:58
  Marisol: Wow.
• 35:00
  Marisol: It's a lot of hats.
• 35:05
  Maria Pena: Okay. And he loves shamp.
• 35:10
  Maria Pena: I think the brothers love the three switches so much.
• 35:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Maria Pena: Oh, God.
• 35:15
  Tad Eggleston: But they're also big into wrestling.
• 35:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:26
  Tad Eggleston: Let me…
• 35:28
  Marisol: What is shimp?
• 35:30
  Maria Pena: Oh, he's one of the three stooges.
• 35:32
  Marisol: Oh.
• 35:33
  Tad Eggleston: At one time.
• 35:34
  Maria Pena: Well, there was… Curly, Larry, and Mo, and then Curly…
• 35:39
  Maria Pena: Curly kind of left, and he was replaced by Shemp.
• 35:43
  Tad Eggleston: So there's Stefan Daly.
• 35:44
  Maria Pena: Charlie.
• 35:45
  Maria Pena: Currently with bold.
• 35:48
  Maria Pena: Clearly one stature.
• 35:51
  Maria Pena: I used to love this too, just… Mmm…
• 35:58
  Tad Eggleston: It doesn't say much about him, so I think… I think… I think we have as much information about
• 36:04
  Tad Eggleston: Stephen DeLeon.
• 36:06
  Tad Eggleston: From this article, as we're finding.
• 36:09
  Tad Eggleston: anywhere else.
• 36:11
  Maria Pena: In a second.
• 36:13
  Maria Pena: He looks like a dick. Anyway.
• 36:15
  Marisol: Well, but…
• 36:18
  Maria Pena: I suppose… I suppose all wrestlers have to look like that.
• 36:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and it all… it also… no, even IMDB doesn't have much.
• 36:28
  Tad Eggleston: Like, from the writing here, that,
• 36:37
  Tad Eggleston: That… that… Beto had a personal relationship with him.
• 36:43
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 36:44
  Maria Pena: Sorry, better.
• 36:47
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, he might look like a dick.
• 36:50
  Maria Pena: Oh, what did his… cartoons look like? Do you have…
• 36:55
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's… That's what I was looking for.
• 36:59
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 37:00
  Tad Eggleston: But I wasn't… wasn't finding anything.
• 37:02
  Maria Pena: Art?
• 37:04
  Maria Pena: just say, Stefan de Leon, or maybe,
• 37:11
  Maria Pena: Images… oh.
• 37:12
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 37:19
  Maria Pena: No, this.
• 37:21
  Marisol: Mmm…
• 37:26
  Maria Pena: That's…
• 37:31
  Maria Pena: Hmm, okay.
• 37:35
  Maria Pena: Who knows?
• 37:38
  Marisol: Doesn't even show his art?
• 37:42
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it actually… it says… that he was… becoming a cartoonist, so maybe… He hadn't… really.
• 37:55
  Marisol: Oh, that's fair.
• 37:58
  Tad Eggleston: gotten there yet?
• 38:00
  Maria Pena: What are you?
• 38:01
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 38:03
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 38:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I can't find anything.
• 38:15
  Maria Pena: Okay, nope.
• 38:17
  Maria Pena: We're just sitting here silently going through.
• 38:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, yep, yep.
• 38:21
  Maria Pena: it's amazing.
• 38:22
  Tad Eggleston: La-dee-da! The internet should make noise while we're looking for things.
• 38:26
  Maria Pena: It is.
• 38:28
  Maria Pena: A shame.
• 38:29
  Marisol: I mean, it did used to make noise when you turned it on, so… It did!
• 38:32
  Maria Pena: Yeah, not anymore.
• 38:35
  Tad Eggleston: We should find that drop, so anytime we start to… start to… to… to… to fall down rabbit holes, we'll just play the… the dial-up.
• 38:45
  Marisol: The dial-up noise.
• 38:47
  Maria Pena: Maybe, huh?
• 38:48
  Marisol: Oh, my…
• 38:48
  Maria Pena: Maybe some… maybe we need some, like, you know, elevator music or something.
• 38:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Maria Pena: The royalty-free elevator.
• 38:57
  Marisol: their music?
• 39:00
  Tad Eggleston: Did you go through these, lists of comics, Maria? This is an impressive list.
• 39:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I… I was…
• 39:09
  Tad Eggleston: Frankly, Mario's list is the most impressive.
• 39:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's… well, that's the thing that I thought I had more in common with Mario than with.
• 39:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 39:18
  Maria Pena: Jaime. Like, I thought, yeah, Mario's list is more my bag.
• 39:26
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Marisol: And now I gotta go back and look at those lists.
• 39:31
  Maria Pena: Although, you're not…
• 39:32
  Tad Eggleston: No, and I'm…
• 39:33
  Maria Pena: I'm gonna have to dig.
• 39:33
  Tad Eggleston: up some of them.
• 39:35
  Tad Eggleston: They only…
• 39:36
  Maria Pena: include, Dan Klaus, which is good. Dan Klaus.
• 39:40
  Tad Eggleston: Some of it I know, but I don't no-no.
• 39:43
  Maria Pena: There's a lot of obscure stuff in there.
• 39:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm fascinated.
• 39:49
  Maria Pena: Like, he calls out, .
• 39:53
  Tad Eggleston: a, comic adaptation.
• 39:56
  Tad Eggleston: Lady Chatterley.
• 39:57
  Maria Pena: He's lover.
• 40:01
  Maria Pena: I'm looking at that art in that cover, and it doesn't look like something…
• 40:07
  Tad Eggleston: It's so…
• 40:07
  Maria Pena: the one I looked at for a long time.
• 40:10
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but that just makes me assume that the storytelling's gonna be that much better.
• 40:15
  Tad Eggleston: Cause, like, when it comes to…
• 40:19
  Tad Eggleston: To comics, it's not just about the pure quality of the art, it's about how you tell the story with the art.
• 40:25
  Maria Pena: Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 40:28
  Maria Pena: Like, I was really happy that… It's great.
• 40:34
  Maria Pena: I've never seen… that, to me, that looks more… That is more fun.
• 40:41
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, am I still scaring this screen, not the comic screen?
• 40:47
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Maria Pena: I'm showing you my screen the Kindle.
• 40:50
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 40:51
  Maria Pena: I was… I was happy to see the fabulous Fairy Freak brothers in Mario's list.
• 40:58
  Maria Pena: So, then, I used to.
• 41:00
  Marisol: There was a Hot Wheels comic?
• 41:03
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I did.
• 41:03
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't know about that either. And Alex Toth?
• 41:06
  Tad Eggleston: Doing Hot Wheels?
• 41:09
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 41:10
  Maria Pena: Well, I love that Mario listed Alex Toth and Joe Hubert, because they're some of my favorite artists.
• 41:19
  Maria Pena: 2… and Tarzan Comics, because I…
• 41:23
  Maria Pena: I was a big fan, thousand calls.
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: Hot Wheels Art Play.
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: Alex Toth.
• 41:35
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, because they, they had this, this… These, comics.
• 41:41
  Marisol: Did not realize that they had Hot Wheels comics. I learned something today.
• 41:44
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 41:45
  Maria Pena: Bye.
• 41:46
  Tad Eggleston: DC, even.
• 41:47
  Maria Pena: Fair, very easy.
• 41:48
  Marisol: Oh.
• 41:48
  Maria Pena: Peace.
• 41:50
  Tad Eggleston: In the 70s.
• 41:51
  Maria Pena: I've read that I wish I had, you know, our…
• 41:55
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is definitely some… some tooth art.
• 41:58
  Maria Pena: just Alex Stoth, yeah.
• 42:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 42:02
  Maria Pena: No, he's just… he's one of mine.
• 42:04
  Marisol: Hi!
• 42:05
  Maria Pena: at the top.
• 42:05
  Marisol: I need to be better about my writers and artists for comics. I know very few names.
• 42:13
  Tad Eggleston: It's a… it's a never-ending… Journey.
• 42:19
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 42:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Tad Eggleston: been good writers for… I mean…
• 42:23
  Tad Eggleston: I've been pretty good with writers for as long as you've known me.
• 42:28
  Tad Eggleston: But it's really only in, like, the last 4 or 5 years that I've gotten any good at knowing who the good artists are, much less being able to look at something and
• 42:39
  Tad Eggleston: have much…
• 42:44
  Tad Eggleston: Chance at all of going, oh, that's so-and-so.
• 42:47
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, there are a handful of artists.
• 42:50
  Maria Pena: Obviously, the…
• 42:51
  Tad Eggleston: When it's Sienkiewicz, I generally know it's Sienkiewicz. When… when it's Dustin Wen, I generally know it's Dustin Nguyen. Scotty Young, I generally know as Scotty Young, you know?
• 43:02
  Marisol: Yeah, Scottie Young is very… identifiable in his stuff.
• 43:06
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 43:07
  Marisol: It's just that sometimes you guys talk about… artists or writers who…
• 43:12
  Marisol: I'd never even heard of the name, or me.
• 43:15
  Maria Pena: Right. So far back. I'd heard…
• 43:18
  Tad Eggleston: A lot of the ones we're talking about, about, like, we're going into the 50s, I mean, we're talking about people that are before my time, but that I've learned about.
• 43:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 43:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah, no, it's,
• 43:33
  Maria Pena: Being an artist, obviously, I've always been more, I've always, concentrated on the artist, so I still don't know who writes the stuff, I just, you know, I just know the artist. I love this, this back, this.
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: I love this.
• 43:50
  Maria Pena: Catalog cover, or whatever it is, that is awesome.
• 43:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:56
  Maria Pena: I absolutely love that.
• 43:58
  Tad Eggleston: I love… I love the three… the… the 3-panel…
• 44:02
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 44:03
  Tad Eggleston: Back page, back page, too.
• 44:06
  Maria Pena: I remember going to this empty lot behind our house, and coming back covered head to toe in dust. That reminds me of, you know, like, they were… they were building something, and they had dug out all this really dusty
• 44:22
  Maria Pena: stuff.
• 44:23
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 44:23
  Maria Pena: You get… come back, and you'll be covered in it.
• 44:26
  Marisol: But, like, those are the best spots to play. Of course you gotta go there.
• 44:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah, there's machinery and shit. Of course.
• 44:38
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Maria Pena: So, Charles Burns… This is a hefty.
• 44:45
  Marisol: one.
• 44:48
  Maria Pena: I'm just looking at the list of ours.
• 44:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I think we also brought a number of things, kinda…
• 44:55
  Tad Eggleston: I think, like, the next issue is gonna be kind of fresh starts on a lot of things.
• 45:00
  Marisol: Yeah, because we ended Mario's story, Me for the Unknown.
• 45:04
  Tad Eggleston: It definitely ended Mario's story, but like…
• 45:09
  Marisol: We ended A Maggie story.
• 45:14
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 45:16
  Tad Eggleston: And I feel like we're at kind of an inflation.
• 45:19
  Maria Pena: point in all the…
• 45:20
  Tad Eggleston: stay.
• 45:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Maria Pena: It looks like, Ray is back in the next… next episode, next issue. I've… I've started to look ahead, which is not something that I normally do.
• 45:34
  Marisol: No, I…
• 45:35
  Tad Eggleston: Edit.
• 45:37
  Maria Pena: But.
• 45:39
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, let's see.
• 45:40
  Maria Pena: Peak.
• 45:40
  Tad Eggleston: Let's talk some panels.
• 45:42
  Marisol: Oh, gosh.
• 45:44
  Maria Pena: Alright, studio.
• 45:45
  Marisol: Probably the hardest part.
• 45:46
  Tad Eggleston: Your Jaime panel, Maria?
• 45:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that panel. I normally like a really, a really dynamic panel with lots of storytelling, but this has a lot of storytelling as well. I mean, they obviously just had a
• 46:02
  Maria Pena: Okay, because it'll be someone's birthday, and, you know, like, there's a lot of storytelling in that panel, and it.
• 46:08
  Tad Eggleston: Is it somebody's birthday, or is it just Maggie and Hopi being Maggie and Hopi?
• 46:13
  Maria Pena: Could be, but they do have… they do have.
• 46:16
  Marisol: Could be both.
• 46:18
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't see anybody saying happy birthday at any point, so, like.
• 46:23
  Maria Pena: Feels like you could do…
• 46:24
  Tad Eggleston: Either way.
• 46:26
  Marisol: But all the locals are there, and it's…
• 46:29
  Tad Eggleston: He's talking about when they were first molested.
• 46:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's the.
• 46:34
  Tad Eggleston: Another thing, like, if you don't read the words, this looks like everybody's just having a good time, blah blah blah, and then you start reading, it's like, well, I was molested when I was six, beat that, try four!
• 46:46
  Maria Pena: They have…
• 46:48
  Marisol: The weirdest conversation.
• 46:50
  Tad Eggleston: Does rangers count, or does it have to be relatives?
• 46:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Maria Pena: But it's a great way of approaching the subject, I mean, it's like, you know…
• 47:03
  Tad Eggleston: Ben Hopi, like, you didn't…
• 47:05
  Tad Eggleston: That didn't happen to you for reals. Fuck no, unless you count my dad walking in on me wankin'.
• 47:11
  Maria Pena: Sorry, you're bullshitter, I win.
• 47:14
  Maria Pena: But, you know, these are resilient women, they're just like, yeah, I got molested, I can laugh about it, or be, you know, I mean, I'm sure it doesn't take away from the trauma, but it's taking…
• 47:26
  Marisol: Right.
• 47:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 47:27
  Maria Pena: it, you know.
• 47:27
  Marisol: It's one of those things you, you wallow in it, or… You'd laugh and joke.
• 47:34
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 47:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Maria Pena: One of, you know.
• 47:37
  Marisol: If you don't like.
• 47:38
  Maria Pena: I should plan for everything, yeah.
• 47:40
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Marisol: Hello.
• 47:44
  Maria Pena: So… That was mine for… Jaime?
• 47:50
  Tad Eggleston: I think my Jaime…
• 47:54
  Maria Pena: As usual, there's a ton of them.
• 47:56
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, there's so many choices.
• 48:01
  Marisol: I know mine, for sure, has to be…
• 48:04
  Marisol: It's a couple pages after this where Maggie's walking with, like, the pack of dogs.
• 48:10
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, that was a good one.
• 48:12
  Marisol: Oh, that…
• 48:13
  Maria Pena: too, I was like, oh man, that's a good panel.
• 48:18
  Maria Pena: You know what I, I've taken to doing?
• 48:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, the side-on one, Marisol, or…
• 48:27
  Maria Pena: Top down.
• 48:28
  Maria Pena: I mean, they're all pretty good.
• 48:30
  Marisol: Yeah, I honestly have been having a hard time choosing between both panels in the second row, the one where we see the side view, and then the up view.
• 48:40
  Tad Eggleston: Well, then we'll just.
• 48:41
  Marisol: Angular.
• 48:41
  Tad Eggleston: row.
• 48:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 48:44
  Maria Pena: get both of them. You know what I've been doing? You know how if you click on the app, on the Panels app, you see all the pages little at the bottom?
• 48:55
  Maria Pena: That's… if you scroll through those, you can kind of see the composition of the panels in thumbnail form, like, and I kind of…
• 49:05
  Marisol: Oh!
• 49:05
  Maria Pena: I remember noticing that one with Maggie, with the side on one, because it looks good, really… even really small.
• 49:12
  Maria Pena: It looks really good.
• 49:14
  Maria Pena: I don't… it does it on my iPad, I don't know if it… maybe it doesn't do it, I don't know.
• 49:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 49:19
  Tad Eggleston: I think…
• 49:20
  Maria Pena: So you can scroll, you get your, you know.
• 49:22
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Maria Pena: note of the pages, you can scroll the bottom. I think… And you can really see.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: For me, it's Maggie… Going into a rent.
• 49:33
  Maria Pena: That's fantastic.
• 49:34
  Tad Eggleston: Ignoring… Ignoring being called.
• 49:39
  Maria Pena: She just needs a bit of time on her own.
• 49:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 49:44
  Tad Eggleston: I just told Hopi I love her.
• 49:46
  Tad Eggleston: Now I'm going to be alone.
• 49:52
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Tad Eggleston: There are a lot of good options for Beto, too.
• 50:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 50:09
  Maria Pena: Well, I think I'll go with the… Thanks for…
• 50:13
  Marisol: You sold us your panel for hers.
• 50:16
  Marisol: Ahmed, did you.
• 50:17
  Maria Pena: Explosion of the…
• 50:18
  Tad Eggleston: I just did, her walking into her apartment.
• 50:20
  Marisol: Oh, right.
• 50:21
  Tad Eggleston: Ignoring the fact that she's being called.
• 50:23
  Marisol: I don't know, I don't know why, my brain had a moment where it refused to process English. Gotcha.
• 50:31
  Tad Eggleston: I get that.
• 50:32
  Marisol: That happens.
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: I get that.
• 50:36
  Tad Eggleston: So you're, you're going with the exploding monster?
• 50:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 50:41
  Maria Pena: Because I thought that was so fun.
• 50:44
  Tad Eggleston: I think I'm going with Powie Zowie.
• 50:47
  Maria Pena: Bowie, Zoe.
• 50:50
  Maria Pena: 5 pounds that week.
• 50:53
  Tad Eggleston: Stunt boy, howie zowie.
• 50:56
  Maria Pena: Oh, you know what else was good? And, you know, I'm not gonna… I'm gonna keep… keep it to the monster explosion, but right after the explosion.
• 51:04
  Maria Pena: when Roy is dying, and his hand… the next row, his hand is kind of still twitching, and then he stops, and I thought.
• 51:13
  Marisol: Oh, that is a good one.
• 51:14
  Maria Pena: That's a good one, yeah.
• 51:17
  Maria Pena: Because it just tells you he's gone.
• 51:20
  Maria Pena: And then they're all in heaven.
• 51:22
  Maria Pena: Moving down, let's… It's pretty awesome.
• 51:28
  Tad Eggleston: It's the same page, it's literally right underneath me.
• 51:30
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah. Explore.
• 51:32
  Marisol: explosion.
• 51:33
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Marisol: I think mine's gotta be the… the little…
• 51:38
  Marisol: what would you call it? That bottom left one, where they're just all standing together up in the clouds.
• 51:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah, they're in heaven.
• 51:48
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's the Star Wars, Force Ghost panel.
• 51:55
  Marisol: Yes.
• 51:57
  Marisol: And they're just in the sky, in the clouds, over the city.
• 52:01
  Marisol: Skyline.
• 52:02
  Maria Pena: The protectors, the protectors of the city, because they defeated the monster.
• 52:11
  Maria Pena: Right, damn.
• 52:13
  Maria Pena: At great price, they paid the price.
• 52:16
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 52:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 52:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:21
  Tad Eggleston: So, next issue… what do we… let's preview next issue just a smidgen.
• 52:28
  Marisol: Just a little bit.
• 52:29
  Tad Eggleston: Just…
• 52:30
  Marisol: The next one also a double, or is it a single?
• 52:36
  Tad Eggleston: No, we won't preview the comics and stories that we'll do next. We'll just look at the next 11 rockets.
• 52:46
  Maria Pena: So this one's how many pages?
• 52:48
  Maria Pena: 35, okay, so this is our regular one.
• 52:51
  Marisol: Gotcha.
• 52:56
  Tad Eggleston: Starts with… When, one of Fritz's guys.
• 53:02
  Marisol: Her ex-husband?
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: women, yeah.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: And then Jaime has a sto- oh, wow, a Jaime Non!
• 53:13
  Maria Pena: Mmm, a high man, sci-fi.
• 53:15
  Tad Eggleston: Based on the novel.
• 53:18
  Tad Eggleston: Home Sweet Stars by Flippy Benjamin.
• 53:21
  Marisol: Nope.
• 53:22
  Maria Pena: Boom.
• 53:24
  Maria Pena: this morning.
• 53:25
  Tad Eggleston: Then we stop.
• 53:25
  Marisol: Oh, hey, we're getting ready again.
• 53:27
  Tad Eggleston: And we get Ray back.
• 53:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah, right. And frogs.
• 53:30
  Marisol: mouth.
• 53:33
  Tad Eggleston: And then… some kids' stuff… And…
• 53:38
  Marisol: Another Mario story.
• 53:39
  Tad Eggleston: From Mario and Beto.
• 53:42
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, Rena!
• 53:45
  Marisol: Oh, hey!
• 53:47
  Marisol: See, look at that, Maria.
• 53:48
  Marisol: occur into existence.
• 53:49
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Marisol: It is!
• 53:52
  Maria Pena: Rena, and more Julio's day, another bit of Julio's day.
• 53:56
  Maria Pena: Who lives there, still there?
• 53:57
  Tad Eggleston: No, it looks like a good issue.
• 54:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Looks like a good issue.
• 54:03
  Marisol: Are we doing… wash.
• 54:06
  Marisol: And, one of… Luba?
• 54:10
  Maria Pena: Louis Luba.
• 54:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it'll be Luba Comics and Stories…
• 54:16
  Marisol: I think it's Fritz After Dark?
• 54:19
  Tad Eggleston: Is it?
• 54:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, because we did Petra, Luba, and Fritz, right?
• 54:24
  Marisol: That was last time.
• 54:26
  Tad Eggleston: We're looking at Issue 7, Fritz After Dark.
• 54:30
  Marisol: Neat.
• 54:34
  Maria Pena: Oh, boy.
• 54:35
  Maria Pena: Luba, what… what am I looking at?
• 54:39
  Maria Pena: Issue 7.
• 54:40
  Marisol: Luba Comics and Stories.
• 54:46
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 54:49
  Tad Eggleston: This one.
• 54:52
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 54:54
  Maria Pena: Joy, what's it?
• 54:55
  Tad Eggleston: This is a mature readers only tag up at the top.
• 55:01
  Tad Eggleston: And you don't have to go far to know why.
• 55:07
  Maria Pena: So as you open, you see Fritz in a little negligee.
• 55:11
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Tad Eggleston: their guns.
• 55:13
  Marisol: With their guns.
• 55:15
  Tad Eggleston: Alrighty, well, it is always a joy.
• 55:20
  Tad Eggleston: For Marisol and Maria, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.