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78 The Scientific Explorer Who Talks to Gods and Faeries: Artemaeus Treadwell · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, this is episode seventy eight when Artemais Treadwell,
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  Speaker 1: interesting guy, very well balanced approach to life in everything
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  Speaker 1: changed for him because earlier he used to be like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of a trained professional, I believe, or
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  Speaker 1: at least he had some type of degree or knew
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  Speaker 1: a lot about it or was well read something of
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  Speaker 1: that nature. When it came to consciousness and it came
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  Speaker 1: to you know, like universal truths about the universe, parallel
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  Speaker 1: universes and you know, quantum physics and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: and he met this woman, his wife, Tilly tread Well,
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  Speaker 1: and everything changed for him like he used to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how she she kind of proved to him
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  Speaker 1: that it's a little bit more than that. You have
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  Speaker 1: to check out the episode to hear what happened, and
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  Speaker 1: it's very cool conversation. I don't you know, you guys
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  Speaker 1: episode is pretty cool. I hope you guys enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: With what he's got that it's got a crazy name.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Amadeus, it's Artemaeus. There it is, Sorry, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those names that I don't normally say.
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  Speaker 1: This is a cool episode, so please enjoy, Please enjoy
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  Speaker 1: the episode with Artimaeus treadwell.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm m m.
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  Speaker 3: Y.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: A thank you for coming on. I reached out to
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  Speaker 1: you quite a while ago, maybe a month and a
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  Speaker 1: half ago.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the schedule tends to be a little bit tight
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  Speaker 5: to work in with you know, a day job and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: I understand now. I was up on the roof today
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  Speaker 1: putting them solar panels, and about twelve thirty thunderstorms kicked
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  Speaker 1: in and we had to get off of there for
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  Speaker 1: an hour and a half and just kind of wave
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  Speaker 1: in the garage. I didn't get up there. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that's life, man, It's just that's the part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, you know, every day is something different.
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  Speaker 1: You try to learn something, you try to you know,
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  Speaker 1: try to cut some bad stuff away and just try
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  Speaker 1: to become a better version of yourself, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes it's just going with the flow too, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to force anything. Being smart about what
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  Speaker 5: you're doing and analyzing what might be the best move
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  Speaker 5: to make at that particular moment makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, So please do me a favorite and
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  Speaker 1: tell me, you know a little bit about yourself and
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  Speaker 1: where we can find you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. So right now, my wife and I Tilly,
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  Speaker 5: run a channel over on YouTube. It's called The Weird
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  Speaker 5: Walk Home, and I've had to take a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of a pause speaking of life in general. I have
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  Speaker 5: been doing a video diary called The Intermediary Diaries, where
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  Speaker 5: I talk I've blogged basically about all of my paranormal
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  Speaker 5: experiences since getting involved with Tilly. So prior to Tilly,
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  Speaker 5: my life was i would say fairly average, didn't have
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  Speaker 5: very many paranormal experiences at all. But Tilly, if anybody
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  Speaker 5: knows is an intermediary of sorts, he might be able
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  Speaker 5: to call her. She has a great many paranormal experiences
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  Speaker 5: on the regular. Her experience is vastly different from me,
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  Speaker 5: just the average guy out there and just coming together,
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  Speaker 5: I have really changed my worldview, my view on human psychology,
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  Speaker 5: and I've learned a great deal from non human psychology.
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  Speaker 5: So the experiences that I have seemed to be fairly
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  Speaker 5: different from what the average person might experience with you
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  Speaker 5: were mentioning like dog man or UFO experiences or you know,
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  Speaker 5: anything of that nature, where people tend to be a
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  Speaker 5: little bit cautious, fearful. Maybe they're what they would label
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  Speaker 5: as negative experiences with demons or you know that sort.
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  Speaker 5: But I have not had such a thing, and I
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  Speaker 5: think it's been because of my my understanding now being
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  Speaker 5: in such close proximity to Tilly, who has such a
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  Speaker 5: different psychology than what I'm used to, and dealing with
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  Speaker 5: the average person high ego content.
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  Speaker 4: You know she is?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what you she is? What what you might call
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  Speaker 5: part of the neurodivergent community. Some people will say that
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  Speaker 5: that includes the autism spectrum. I would believe that. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: say that necessarily an autistic person is an alien. I
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  Speaker 5: mightn't go that far non human person, but the psychology
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  Speaker 5: is pretty similar from what I'm finding out. So through
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  Speaker 5: all these experiences that I've had with you know, my
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  Speaker 5: prior knowledge before coming to all this was very very
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  Speaker 5: much based in evolutionary biology, the average human psychology and
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  Speaker 5: animal behavior. Having kind of a direct comparison between the
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  Speaker 5: two has helped me, I think, to evolve as the
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  Speaker 5: average human being. So I want to in part any
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  Speaker 5: of that experience seen and what I've kind of kind
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  Speaker 5: of worked through and developed thus far as a result.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay, tell me a little bit. So tilly's your wife.
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  Speaker 4: Jeez, Yeah, so i've been thank you. Yeah, we've been together.
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  Speaker 5: I'll see, it'll be ten years here, coming up in November,
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  Speaker 5: and yeah, i've been married about half that. And so
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  Speaker 5: I met Tilly just about ten years ago. We were
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  Speaker 5: doing the online dating thing, and like I said, I
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  Speaker 5: was pretty pretty average up to that point.
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  Speaker 4: We did it off pretty well. Yeah, I can look.
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  Speaker 5: Back on it now and say that, but I had
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  Speaker 5: a massive ego and was very much head up my
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  Speaker 5: butt kind of thing, had a very humbling experience in
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  Speaker 5: you know, these paranormal occurrences that have happened, and then
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  Speaker 5: also just basically being schooled by my wife in a
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  Speaker 5: good way.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, well, tell me at her, tell me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about her. What was she, What was
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  Speaker 1: she like when you met her? What what what struck
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  Speaker 1: you as being different when you met her?
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  Speaker 5: Perfect way to start this. So we had we hit
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  Speaker 5: it off with direct messages. So I thought, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we could take it to the next step. We can
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  Speaker 5: go on an actual date. And so I went to
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  Speaker 5: go pick her up, meet her in person. And when
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  Speaker 5: she came bouncing out of her apartment, you know, she
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  Speaker 5: was just like happy, bubbly, you know, person just that
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  Speaker 5: what she would say, quintessential ray of sunshine. I now,
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  Speaker 5: looking back on it, I realized that the response that
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  Speaker 5: I had to that was just a reflection of what
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  Speaker 5: I my inner world was going on in there. But
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  Speaker 5: I remember seeing her coming out all happy and you know, dandy,
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  Speaker 5: and I just went nobody can be that happy. And
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  Speaker 5: it was you know, I say this now trying to
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  Speaker 5: be as you know, humble as possible and just admit
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  Speaker 5: every single fault and where I went wrong, because I
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  Speaker 5: feel like, you know, that's the first step to you know,
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  Speaker 5: learning from your mistakes and growing and moving forward. So
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  Speaker 5: that was the first impression, you know, meeting her in
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  Speaker 5: person anyway, And so we still went on the date.
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  Speaker 5: I still entertained it. I thought, okay, maybe I'm missing
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  Speaker 5: something because we had such good rapport with the messages,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, the dates dragging a bit. Eventually we
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  Speaker 5: ended up in a mall and we were having such
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  Speaker 5: a good time with actual conversation because I decided to
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  Speaker 5: stop being an asshole essentially, and we were you know,
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  Speaker 5: walking around talking having a good time in that way,
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  Speaker 5: and the mall had actually shut down and locked up,
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  Speaker 5: and we didn't even know, you know, the guards Apparently
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  Speaker 5: security didn't even know that we were still in there.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how because it's not like we were
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  Speaker 5: hiding somewhere. And so we went to go leave and
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  Speaker 5: you know, the security you know, comes out, oh no, sorry,
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  Speaker 5: I gotta let you out and even know you're in here.
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  Speaker 5: So I go to take her home. You know, we
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  Speaker 5: get in the car, and I've told this story many
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  Speaker 5: times and I keep trying to find a better way
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  Speaker 5: to tell it, but it's it's difficult because when we
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  Speaker 5: got to the car, she decided to you know, let
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more of you know, who she was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, really underneath everything. Because I imagine being an
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  Speaker 5: intermediary sharing stories with people saying, yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: I hear people talking that you can't see, and I can,
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  Speaker 5: you know, give information to you that there's no way
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  Speaker 5: anybody else could have known that. So that can be
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  Speaker 5: a very vulnerable thing for someone to just you know,
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  Speaker 5: reveal to anybody. There are lots of different yes, the
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  Speaker 5: reactions that people can have to that, and and so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and getting people to know you some more. So she
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  Speaker 5: decided to basically tell me who I was at what
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  Speaker 5: I would consider to be the soul essence, that that
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  Speaker 5: level of ourselves that goes well beyond the masks and
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  Speaker 5: the ego and the facade, the character, the avatar that
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  Speaker 5: we put up here on this planet and walk about,
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  Speaker 5: you know, being what we would say is us, but
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  Speaker 5: really is not the deep soul us true. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: so she decided to tell me who I was at
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  Speaker 5: that level, which I had never even written something like
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  Speaker 5: this down about myself, much less told anybody else. But
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  Speaker 5: it resonated so deeply that it was in that moment
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  Speaker 5: that type of intimacy that I think so many people
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  Speaker 5: are looking for, where they feel like they are actually
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  Speaker 5: being seen for who they are, you know, and I
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  Speaker 5: at that moment, having grown up the way that I did,
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  Speaker 5: which in the household of my father was a marine. Which,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, anything that I say about my parents,
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  Speaker 5: i'll give the disclaimer. I love them the pieces. I
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  Speaker 5: know they did the best they could of what they had.
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  Speaker 5: We have a good relationship, and how things were a
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  Speaker 5: little bit rocky there for a while. But anyway, my
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  Speaker 5: dad tours of dirty marine emotional intelligence not exactly his specialty,
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  Speaker 5: and my mother very young high schooler when she had me,
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  Speaker 5: so still a child herself. So anyway, all that to
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  Speaker 5: say that, you know, I kind of learned not to
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  Speaker 5: really trust people, or at the very least, you know,
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  Speaker 5: shows of emotion and things like that were very much
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  Speaker 5: squashed way down right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been extremely transformational for you to meet.
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  Speaker 4: This person, very very much. So.
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  Speaker 5: She gave this to me, you know, and you know
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  Speaker 5: I to say. She also said, in addition, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we I feel like we have this soul contract. We
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  Speaker 5: came here to fulfill a purpose together. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I love that for you, you know, and I, and
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  Speaker 5: and the way that it was delivered. Plus some validation
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  Speaker 5: that she gave me on top of it, which I
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  Speaker 5: will give in just a minute. All of that just
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  Speaker 5: like instantly stripped away, you know, those walls that we
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  Speaker 5: usually build up within ourselves to keep people out, to
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  Speaker 5: keep ourselves protected, which I understand why we do that,
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  Speaker 5: but it can often be limiting and and for me,
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  Speaker 5: it definitely was very stagnating. I didn't realize how suffocating
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  Speaker 5: that was until that particular moment. And so she reveals
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  Speaker 5: that to me, and then she also tells me, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, you know, I will give you something that will,
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  Speaker 5: you know, validate what I'm saying so that you don't
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  Speaker 5: think I'm just cold reading or pulling this stuff. You
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  Speaker 5: know that anybody could necessarily pull just with a lucky guess.
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  Speaker 5: And she said, there is a there's a being, spirit
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: guide essentially who is coming to me saying that their
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: name is Chief and they're presenting as a Native American chieftain.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: And she said, this, this entity is you know, connected
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: with you as like a spirit guide and somebody who
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: has been with you and your family, watching over you,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: taking care of you, that sort of thing. And as
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: she describes this chieftain, I immediately I went, oh, my god,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I know who exactly you're talking about. And we don't
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: have any Native American in the family, but my father
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: has always elected Native American memorabilia paraphernalia. And on the
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: wall outside of my bedroom door that I grew up
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: with and our family home was a portrait.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Been there for years.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: And so she described, you know, the type of head
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: dress that he was wearing, the colors, the face, the pose, everything,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: and said, you know this, this entity is presenting themselves
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: as this, so that I can tell you, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: with some validation that the information that I'm giving you
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: isn't just you know, thin air lucky guests. There is
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: something behind it, you know, proof essentially which you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: this particular entity may not have been an actual Native
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: American chieftain in any life, could have been presenting itself
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: in such a way that again is personal to the
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: individual question. So when I say that, you know when
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: later if we talk about mimics, that'll become important. So
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: it was just that sort of one two punch, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: from that night, I really I think I was set
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: up at that point to really accept a world that
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: was much bigger than I knew at that point, which
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: has made me a totally different person from that point.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's that's the start of it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna before we continue on, I want to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: tell you that I'm really digging your tattoos. I can't
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: see them, but I love the how they come up
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and then go across.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, cool.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: It's all of the heritage from you know, most of
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: my bloodline, which is all like Scandinavian British Isles, so
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: it's very you know, Celtic and Norwegian mythology essentially.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And do you whold lot of do you hold a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: lot of weight in your and your ancestry bloodlines and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the connection you have to that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: So I think, gosh, I mean a lot of what
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: I feel are my prior, my past lives here. The
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: connections that I have here are probably very much heavily
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: towards the more violent warlike you know, Scandinavian, probably Viking,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: that is most likely a lot of my heritage, and
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: up to that point had the ego that I had
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: identified with, which has now since been mostly stripped away.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Was was very heavily based in that. And I still
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: you know, my tattoos. I don't wish to get rid
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: of them. They're just part of the story of this,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Like of yeah, right, of this consideration of yourself right
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in present form. That's interesting, you know. I was thinking,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: like when you were telling me about meeting Tilly, your
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: your wonderful wife there, like when you're with when you're
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: with somebody for a very long time. I was with
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: my wife. We are now separated and divorced, but like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we were together for twenty two years, and it's really
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it's really the odd thing about is that when you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: meet somebody and you have that connection with somebody, the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: strange thing that happens is that you start realizing all
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: your faults, you know what I mean. You could see theirs,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but then they start pointing out yours and you go, oh, man,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of work too, I got a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: lot of shadow work to do.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, what was that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: What was that like for you did she was she
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: able to like see and tell you something because you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: keep talking about the ego? Yeah, was she was she
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: able to like, you know, slowly like help you strip
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that away and become what you are now.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: So what's interesting is that she did that, but not
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: in a very direct way. So when she first came
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: to me, she didn't. She still was having trouble understanding
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: the human ego because the way that she had lived
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: her life up to that point very much a part
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: of non human psychology, which is very low in ego content.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: You could say, pretty naive, very innocent, and very much
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: based in mutual cooperation and respect. It doesn't have a
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: very high survival instinct, will just put it that way,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: like a lot of kids do, which you know, to
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: be very selfish. That's natural. Not saying that that's a
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: bad thing. I'm just saying these are just you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: the objective quality description of the equalities. And so she
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: didn't quite understand that bit. But by my you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: loving her in return learning how to do that and
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: then her just loving the core of me helped me
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: to it. Essentially gave me the fuel to face the
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: courage to face all of that you know, super wounded
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: warrior ego that I had and begin to heal that essentially,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: and she's she has since come to understand more about that,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: about human ego and you know, the average human psychology.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: But it was it was definitely more just her being that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like you know, exel like an angelic kind.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Of Yes, yes, lucky doesn't even begin to describe.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, That's which is why I think it absolutely has
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: to be a soul contract, because there's no way somebody
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: that good if they knew, if they knew what they've
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: gotten involved with somebody with as much baggage as I had.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: So there's been a lot to work through.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Definitely, Well, could you do me a favorite, maybe go
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: through somebody like you were talking about, you know, paranormal experiences.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Have you experienced some of this with her? Yeah?
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: So when after that first night there, it was a
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: little bit of a cooling off period, I think because
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: it was such a profound, you know, impactful thing that
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: that needed to simmer for a little bit, It needed
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: to grow and get in some roots before the paranormal stuff,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: the real you know, paranormal activity started ramping up so
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: that I could trust her and her ability to facilitate, communicate,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: with interpret these experiences. While you know, I was busy
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: tamping down that fight or flight response that people typically
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: have to these sorts of things because it's the unknown.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Right, that's very scary for the sure.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: So so so there was a simmering down period. We
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: were living up north at that point, and then we
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: moved down to Florida in twenty eighteen, which for anybody
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: that knows the paranormal in general, Florida's a hotbed for
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: that stuff. There's a lot of weird crap that happens here,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: and I think it must just be the vibration of
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: the land itself. It just is a portal, is a facilitator.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: For this kind of thing. Has a lot of springs,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: uh fire. Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: It's also it's also maybe the original fertile Crescent part
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of the original because I'm here on the Yucatan Peninsula.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So if you're in Florida, so it's the scene. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: then you have Alabama. So I don't know where you
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: know the prefix for that word comes from. Point Yeah, yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: just this stuff I pick up to listening to podcast. So, yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Florida's Florida's It's got many reasons a lot of wild people.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am convinced now that Florida Man is definitely
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: part of the paranormal lore at this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Point because they don't me as some of the other shit.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: But yeah, but anyway, so, so nothing really happened paranormally
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: until we moved to Florida January twenty eighteen. And then
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: it started with the first experience that I have seems
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: rather benign, but also was one of those moments that
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I just I had no explanation for. I couldn't just
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: reach back in my bag of you know, scientific whatever
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: and go, oh, it was probably this. No, there was nothing,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: And so I felt like at that point I was
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: forced to confront the possibility of other that category that you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Know, we cannot yet quite explain. So and it's so
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: basic too.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: I've lost my cell phone briefly, you know, like people
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: usually do, you misplaced it, and I had been in
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: the house, hadn't gone anywhere. In fact, I didn't think
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: i'd left the bedroom when I lost it. So I'm thinking, Okay,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna, you know, pull off the covers on the
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: bed and you know, pillows whatever. It's got to be
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: under here, somewhere, you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: No luck, no luck.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: And now I'm searching other areas of the house. Okay,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I've lost my mind. Maybe it's somewhere else. I had
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: it in my hand and set it down somewhere absent mindedly.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I'm looking everywhere. Nope, can't find it. Still now I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: looking inside the fridge and you know, under the car, like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: where the hell is this thing? Like, you know, I'm
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: getting despery, you know, find it, you know. So so
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: then I'm like, all right, let's go. Let's go back
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: to where I last saw it. It's maybe I missed
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: it somehow, you know. And I had pulled all the
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: covers off of the bed and I, you know, felt
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: all over it wasn't there. But when I went back
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: to the bed, I ran my hand over the mattress,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: which at that point only had the fitted sheet on it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: My hand hit what felt like my phone, and I went, okay,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: what what it's It's under It is under It's under
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: the fitted in sheet, right under the fitted mattress mattress
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: protector is my phone, which until he is not the
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: kind of person pulled pranks like she wants it's any
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: paranormal experience to there'd be no no doubt whatsoever that
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: she did not cause that it was something that you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: paranormal experience that happened, you know. And so I all
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the fitted sheet, there's my phone, and I'm sitting there thinking,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: thinking I didn't make the bed, and I felt all
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: over the bed. It wasn't there before I know it wasn't.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: I couldn't miss it. So at that point the only
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: explanation that I had was one that Tilly offered, which
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: at that point was kind of like a Okay, now
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: that you've seen something, here is a possible explanation that
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: your phone disappeared into the quantum and it came back
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: roughly where you left it, but not quite where you
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: left it. And it's somewhat a tangential, you know, related
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: adjacent idea to the Mandela effect, where you know, multiple
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: layers of reality all happening at the same time, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: that we are experiencing different realities sometimes when we have
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: a memory of something being one way and in the
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: current reality it is another way. So at that moment
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I was introduced to the Mandela effect and not just
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a oh, somebody's memory might just be misremembering which happens often,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and I had attributed all Mandela to that just people
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: got crappy memories. It happens, you know. And in this case, though,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: because the phone reappeared where I had already checked thoroughly
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: and in a manner in a place that it could
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: not have gotten there from. You know, anything that I
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: did right was that was the introduction. And I've had
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: other situations where things have appeared, disappeared, and reappeared on
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: me multiple objects over the years. At this point, it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: a rather common occurrence, rather annoying occurrence that I find
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: at this point, but nonetheless it never happened to me
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: before and now multiple times. One of which I'll mention briefly,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: this hair tie. This this was another one of those
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: things that as Tilly and I were standing in front
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: of a mirror, bathroom mirror together and there's it's a
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: plane piece of glass, there's no shelves anywhere around, it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: a very small room, and I'm we're both staring straight
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: at the mirror and write it about I don't know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: lower chest, slash of belly height, a black hair tie
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: as I'm staring at the mirror just drops to the
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: countertop and it did not come.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: From behind me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: It wasn't, you know, Tilly putting up her hair and
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: somehow it just you know, fell out of her hair
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: and down over onto the countertop. It literally appeared from
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: thin air and fell maybe six inches maybe right on
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: the cou so and it was high contrast too, so
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: I couldn't miss it. It wasn't a corner of my
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: eye trick or anything like that. So I tried every
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: which way that I could to explain how that happened.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: And you know, before I might have been like, oh,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: so what, it's, you know, something small, But when you
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: really think about it, you know, small or not, it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: still something.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: That we do not have an explanation for.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Where it appears as something literally popped into existence from
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: the ether from nowhere.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the ether is the way they used to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: describe everything around us, you know what I mean. Now
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to use like you know, black matter and you know
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the troposphere and all that stuff, it's just it's just
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a scientific term. But in the old days, before before
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the Rockefeller school system, that was very common, you know
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I think I think a lot of
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I think we've lost a lot of our are because
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know, being the Scandinavian toil, you got your runs,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you got there's a lot of there's a lot of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: who that I enjoy about that, you know. I trying
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to explain because I'm here in the like I'm saying,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the Uga Tampa. And so my girlfriend is Maya and yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and she tells me, you know, all her stories about
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, ghosts and you know, witches and weird stuff
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: around here. And I was thinking, I was like, yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but you understand Europe because I lived there for twenty years.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And I try to imagine it if I went back
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to say, two three thousand years before it was populated
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the way it is. It is a spooky, you know, cloudy, foggy,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: misty ballgy place. It's so strange. Yeah, and people missed
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: out now, you know. We get on a train in Frankfort,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: we get off in Paris to go to Disneyland. It
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was just wonderful. I'm like, I think you're missing a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: lot of what we lost, you know what I mean? So, yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: what do you okay? So you're basically kind of headed
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: towards like some type of I don't I always say
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it what I might be jumping a gun again, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: can't think of a word right now, but you're you're
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you're trying to underline your idea of what the paranormal is.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can kind of like lay that out for
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: me and tell me what you think it is.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, okay, so oh yeah that's a big question.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: So yeah the gun, that's okay.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: No, we can work with it, we can roll with it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: So I mean these these little stories basically to say,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: you know, a little bit at a time, easing open
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: that crack, you know, for I think the average person
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: like me to be able to experience these things that
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: we do not have an explanation for that we cannot
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: see with our you know, average human eyes or perceive
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: average human brain without freaking out. Basically, the paranormal for
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: me encompasses at this point everything that the average human
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: it doesn't usually experience or see, you know, because what
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: the way that I the theory that I have is
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: that humans have a particular neuro chemistry, neuro wiring that
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: only allows us a narrow spectrum of experience.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And it's there for a reason, right It's a it's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a it's an evolutionary survival thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: That's definitely one aspect of it. Absolutely. That's things like
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: the default mode network and you know, I.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Forgot that you studied this, but you're gonna go ahead school.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I'll try to make it as easy as I can.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You're using words like ten ten.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Tangential yeah, which is yeah. Sometimes I I grab words
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: that I think would be that will work.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I have no ego and asking you what does that mean?
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I promise you please do Yeah. I was gonna say,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not afraid to explain. In fact, if I'm if
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: I say something you don't understand, please ask me, because
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: I you know, we don't have much time to talk.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: So I try to go through as much as I
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: possible can, so you know, the part of the chemistry,
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: the brains that we have are definitely geared towards surviving here.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: That is one of the main axioms, one of the
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: main tenants. One of the main features of life on
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: this plan is that you must survive, right, which is
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: not something that other dimensions.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Other non human.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Peoples, that's not part of their psychology because it's not
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: an aspect of their experience. It doesn't govern their daily lives.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: They have different experiences because the rules are set differently.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Than we have here.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: So I mean I always ask people, I mean, imagine
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: a world where you weren't worried about not having enough
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: food because like in other dimensions, they feed off of
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: ether and there is no such thing as no food.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: So if we were not worried about starving to death,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: you know, having an uncomfortable experience in that way, how
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: would that free up our psychology and our treatment of
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: one another when we're not fighting over resources?
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Essentially?
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Now, I'm not saying again that the experience that we
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: have here is somehow bad. It's just an experience. We
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: come here. I believe to have this experience, you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: as terrible as it may be sometimes to experience, it
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: is nonetheless in experience, so in the infinite and so yes,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: the default mode network, which is as you grow older,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: your brain will take your experiences and go, Okay, this
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: was good because I got you know, food, I got care,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I got you know, shelter, I got something from it,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: something good. And I'm going to do this again. This
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: experience was you know, took away from me. I got injured,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I got hurt, I got you know something you know, mentally, emotionally, physically, whatever,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: it was bad experience I'm not going to do this again.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: And you know, good bad, good bad good bad this judgment,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: and it happens throughout your life to the point where
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: your brain starts to kind of close you in a box,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: even though there's an infinite number of experiences you can
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: have here. If you are not paying attention, if you're
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: not being mindful, your own brain will start to control
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: your behavior based on this good bad judgment. And we
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: call that the default mode network. It's the way that
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: your brain starts to you know, kind of oh, evolve
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: itself basically in this life. So what's interesting is that
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: psychedelics turn off.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I was going to go there.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I think it actually, I think what actually happens is
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that like we're only perceiving, like I think something like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: ten percent of what actually is happening because of that,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: because of that default mode. And what happens is that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it like opens that up, which is where the paranoia
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: comes in, because you can experience much more, say pleasure
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: one hundred times more, we'll just go with a number,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but you can also experience a thousand times more displeasure
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: because you're now open to that. So if that happens, guys,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the cannabis realm. This is
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: which I'm not an expert in, but I do like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: just look at the clock and wait twenty minutes and
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: then tell me how you feel.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, this two shells basically say it again, this
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: two shell pass basically yes, absolutely, yeah, that is that
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: is that applies to well, our lives in general.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Eventually, it kind of it kind of messes up the filter.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It kind of messes up the filter it takes to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: filter away in the pre prefrontal cortex and says, hey,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: did you notice that shadow in the corner over there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it'll activate different parts of your brain so
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: that you can actually perceive different vibrations, different wavelengths, which
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you know. Is that I mean, that's a whole nother
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: discussion entirely. So basically, what I deemed the paranormal is
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: all of that other stuff that you know, the average
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: human being is not used to experiencing because of those
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: you know, typical brain structures and functions. So for me,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that's everything from remote viewing, telepathy, clairvoyance, to being able
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: to communicate or see non communicate with or see non
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: human entities.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Gosh, oh stroll projection.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean there's there's a lot of things,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: and then also all of those entities that exist in
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: those other dimensional realms, cryptids, interdimensional beings of all sorts.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it encompasses all of all of that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: For me, you kind of lean in the same area
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that I kind of come from. Honestly. You know, you'll
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: have you know, you have your you know, you have
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: your Christians. I'm not going to pound on them whatever.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I have friends who are that, but they'll say, oh no,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it's all demons or or or you know, they're you know, bigfoot,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: are giants from you know, the fallen angels and whatever
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: they call that. Can't think of the word right now,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And then you'll have people to go, you know, it's
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this or it's that. But I kind of like what
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'm basically trying to understand. It's like you're saying, like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the dimensions are all around us at all time,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: at all times, and we're just experiencing this part of it,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the three four dimensional space, and it's like sometimes they
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: kind of bump into each other and kind of spill over.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And I think if you kind of condition yourself to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: be open to that experience. I mean, if I'm wrong, please,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: then maybe you will see it differently. Is that what
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you're trying about?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Kind of say like a yeah, yes, in a roundabout way.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: And I have more that I can give you on
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: that specifically scientifically, I think. Again, so there's a couple
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: aspects to why we don't as the average human, experience
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: more of this. One of those, again, is the neurodivergence
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: or you know, the way that the brains are wired.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: So there are oh gosh, there was a series put
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: out called the Telepathy Tapes by an individual who themselves neurodivergent.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: I think they identify as somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Those brains are wired differently, and briefly I'll mentioned within
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: those Telepathy tapes those individuals talk about being able to
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: visit essentially a virtual classroom in their minds, see other
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: neurodivergent beings or non human entities and communicate with them.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: And that makes sense to me because and by the way,
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: the name it just popped into my mind, Kyle Dickens,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: was the name of the person who put out the
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Telepathy tapes. If anybody listening is interested in that sort
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: of material, The reason that that can happen. So our
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: brains are consistently in a particular wavelength, so a radio frequency,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: you could consider it. So there's alpha, beta, beta, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: delta or the four major brain frequencies. So alpha is
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: the I guess you could say relaxed meditative state. There's beta,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: which is high beta or low beta which is high
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: beta would be I can forget which one. Maybe don't
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: quote me, but it's fight or flight usually or intense
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: workout states. Doesn't have to be you know, fight or flight,
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: but it could be you know, functional day to day.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Beta is the twilight where you're not quite asleep, not
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: quite awake in delta's deep sleep. And so for me,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I think the reason that I can communicate and experience
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: things in the dream realms because it typically happens in
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: theta when I'm in a completely different brain wave state.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: And for people who are higher ego content, And when
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I say higher ego, I don't mean full of themselves.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: I know that's typically what it has come to mean
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: in the average vernacular, average lingos speak when people talk
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: about it. But when I say ego, I just mean
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: somebody who is very much enveloped in their own interests
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: and story and in their own heads basically, so maybe
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: less objective, less able to look at a situation and
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: just see the facts. They'll be giving judgments about those things,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: or they will be experiencing how does it impact me?
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Usually it's a very self focused state.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: So people with high.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Ego content who have a particular you know, neurochemistry or
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: brain makeup, parts of their brain maybe not as functional
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: as others. That's not saying that they're film it's just
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: different parts of the brain working and active. Those people
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: will struggle to have paranormal experiences, and or if they do,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: they may judge them as very negative, may have the
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: more negative paranormal experiences. Because I have also developed theory
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: on this based on my own interactions with non human entities.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: At this point, having dialed my ego down way down,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: been humbled by an experience with ayahuasca. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: got knocked all the way down with that one, which
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: you know necessary. I think at that point I realize,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: now I'm good with all of that. Lots of insight,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: but you know, I have through working to dial down
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: that ego and then working to meditate and or focus
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: more on the brain wave states that I'm in. That's
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: where I can have my paranormal experiences or tap into
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: some things more conscientiously, basically purposefully with purpose. And there
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: are some people that just naturally they have the brain
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: wired and communicating a certain way, and they just naturally
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: exist in a certain brainwave state that it's like a
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: radio frequency. They're just tuned in to the same frequency
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: that non human entities inhabit or communicate on. So you
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: can manipulate it a little bit with the right things.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: But if you aren't born a certain way, genetics will
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: also play into that, which is why there are some
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: people that say, oh, I've been seeing and hearing things
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: since I was a child. They have, you know, a
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: particular brain that's different from the average person that can
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: tap into those kinds of things more naturally.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, Well, can you tell me about these non human
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: entities and your experiences with them?
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, so I have only had well, my gosh,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: where do I start with that? Okay, so I to that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Prior to that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Point, my experiences with non human entities had been what
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I would say, neutral, where I would notice things watching,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: where I would be communicated in my dream state by beings,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: presenting themselves as things like Egyptian gods, for example. I
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: had one of those somewhat recently.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: The dream.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: It was a message actually given to me, and I
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: gave that message to the person for whom it was intended,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: and it was very relevant, resonated timely was needed. And then,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: you know, a side from those which have been like
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: I said, neutral to borderline pleasant, the only what I
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: would say negative, downright actually terrifying experience that I had
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: with a non human entity was resolved relatively quickly by
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Tilly on my behalf. Essentially, I'll go ahead and get
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: into the story because talking about it and a round
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: about is probably not helping.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: So, and this is more.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: After this experience, I started to realize more about, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: how non human psychology works and how we could actually
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: use that to hack our own relationships or what I
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: would consider to be healthier interaction. So anyway, this negative
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: experience that I had, it happened in the dream state,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: and I'm or twilight you could say, fata brain waves.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting up in my bed, you know, looking dead ahead.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Why I'm not really sure, but to my left in
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: this dream state is a mirror on the wall, which
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: in reality, did not exist, in my waking reality didn't exist.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: But I'm looking up a see out of the corner
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: of my eye in the mirror, something moves inside it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: And I know, because I'm looking ahead of the mirror
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: that there's nothing in front of that mirror. And so
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: that's now at the part of your brain if anybody's listening,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: maybe the hair on the back of your neck standing up,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: because that's the blizzard portion of your brain that's putting
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: pieces together, going, hey, dude, if there's nothing in front
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: of that mirror and there's something moving in the mirror,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: that's not We're not used to this.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: That's not right, so maybe we need to check it out.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: And no, sooner did I turn over to look did
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: something very large, very dark start coming headfirst through this mirror?
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: And I didn't even have time to react. This entity
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: elicited from me a response that was absolute, like pure
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: wavelength of terror, sheer terror. And I've never had that
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: in my life. I've never been afraid for my life.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: I've had a pretty good life. I've never been in
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: a situation where I was genuinely concerned about my well being.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: And it was just like when you go to the
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: doctor and they hit you on the knee and you
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: get that knee jerk response. You have no control over it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: This is being immediately caused me that deep and visceral
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: feeling of oh shit. And I started screaming in this dream,
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: also something that I don't do ever. In fact, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: don't think I've ever screamed like that. And it was
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: like the floodgates just turned open and I was just
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: a nothing but a vessel, a channel for the pure
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: wavelength of horror. And I, up to that point, had
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: had some experience with lucid dreaming, so I knew how
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: to end a dream that I didn't want to be
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: a part of anymore. So I did and as I
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: come to I'm shaking, I'm sweating, you know, I'm heart's
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: beaten a mile a minute. So that response is still happening,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: and Tilly's sound asleep next to me, so I.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Woke her up.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I said, hey, I think you really need to know
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: there's I feel like there's something around here that clearly
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: this this thing does not mean well and I need
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: some help because I don't I don't know how to
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: navigate around this. I don't know why it happened, which
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: is the experience that I imagine a lot of people
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: who come into contact with cryptids or other beings that
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: maybe have the ability to you know, hack this lizard
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: brain portions.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: The fear response.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: And so I'm lucky enough to turn to Tilly and say, hey,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: like help, And she said, you know, I don't feel
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: like this this person is around anymore. Still, I think
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: the message was given, but let me let me tap
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: into this and see if I can communicate and find
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: out what's going on. And so after I leave to
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: go to work, she invites this entity in and come
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: to find out that she had been discussing with a
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: colleague of hers this the business essentially of this particular entity,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: and he did not.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Appreciate that at all.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: And so Tilly, being the ever so respectful person that
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: she is, said, I'm I'm really sorry. I didn't know
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: that this wasn't okay. I probably should have asked first, like,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: you know, I didn't know, Please tell me what I
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: can do to make this better. And in non human psychology,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: they have the interest in the ability to make very
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: clear agreements one two three, you know, rules about engaging
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: with one another it's very cooperative and respectful, and those
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: rules will always be adhere to without exception. So you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I broke it because I was hungry or I didn't
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: get enough sleep or you know, no, those are not
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: those are not excuses. It's always adhere to. And if
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: there ever needs to be a change, there's a mutual
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: coming to the table. You work it out, you find
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: new rules. It's what's good for you is good for me, okay,
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: and you know, we go about our ways. So she
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: made an agreement one two three with this individual, and
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: those have always been adhered to, and I occasionally must
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: be reminded of them because as an imperfect human, I
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: cannot remember all of those sorts of things, which is
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: why I don't make deals with non human entities, because
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: I can't keep them simply based on you know, my
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: lack of ability to remember and the hey, admitting my limits,
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: you know. So yeah, so, so she made that deal.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: And this has been several years now. I've not had
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: anything even remotely approaching that kind of experience. And from
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: what I understand, non human entities only operate on contracts,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: and whether or not you understand of the contract, you
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: may be you know, putting out particular parameters that draw
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: in these entities as a contractual agreement, which is why
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: it behooves anybody to do their shadow work. As you said,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: understand who you are underneath, why you're doing the things
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: you're doing, so that you can keep the paranormal activity
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: to what you might consider a more pleasant frequency. And
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: you know that makes a whole loaded difference in the
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: experiences that you're going to have.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: So right, so you're saying you have to, you have
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to you have to kind of fix yourself, yes, before, like,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: if these things are happened to you, you have to
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: look inside and see why.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: They're happening to you exactly.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: And this is not victim blaming for anybody out there
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: hearing this. You know, I was attacked by a demon
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: or something, and you know, yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What happened to me is recently, I had
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: two nights ago, I had my first what do they
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: call that, uh, sleep paralysis in a long long time
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and for years, for years. So I got to look
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: into that. I don't know what it was I was
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: trying to it was something said about myself. I believe
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like, you know, this is a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: part like I knew it was there, something bad and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: dark that's there, and I was trying to protect somebody,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: which I think was me. And then when I went
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: down to tell this person, you know, watch out for
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: this whatever this was, it looked kind of you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like a native and like a you know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a native person from the western side of the world.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: And it had a face paint on it that was
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: kind of lines I remember to face. And it came
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: out from a bookshelf and just jumped out of me
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and I woke up screaming, but I couldn't wake up.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I was in theda, I guess you would call it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: But I could hear myself screaming. I could hear myself screaming.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So I kept screaming until I woke myself up. Sure,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: So that was that was That was really intense. It's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: been quite a while since that's happened.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Yeah, So, I mean there could be a
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: lot of things going on there, one of which is,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, sleep paralysis could be something based in a
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: medical issue, so it doesn't always have to be paranormal.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: That's one thing we got to keep in mind, is
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: that for anything that we can't explain not necessarily something
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: to jump stress formal, but you know, sleep paralysis, that
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: could definitely be a medical condition, you know, But to
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: also think, you know, we we tend to jump straight
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: to protecting ourselves. Again, that's part of the human training
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: because we're we've got to try to keep these meat
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: suits alive while we're here. That's the whole point, right,
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: But avoiding a problem is a is a massive trigger.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: So essentially, you know, burying your head in the sand
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: and saying nope, that that doesn't I can't do anything
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: about it that doesn't exist, you know.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: That.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: With me, it's like I know there is one, but
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't know what
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, but it's slowly kind of opening itself,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: like layer by layer. I kind of go, okay, this
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: is a little bit of this. But it's like I
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: can't point the finger out. I need to point those
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: three fingers that are in return back to myself and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: see what that is. And I think I'm trying to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: figure it out. And I think as it's opening up,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: more things are coming out.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm working on a dude, I'm working on it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're doing that's great. You're doing the work
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: like that. The other thing is fighting the thing. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: I mean think about everything as a frequency, as a vibration, right,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: So you know they say fire doesn't beat fire.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: So when we come at a problem or something in
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: our dreams and we are fighting something, and I've heard
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: this over and over against people who have analyzed their
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: dreams and then decided to do and they say, oh,
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I'm always fighting this dragon or I'm fighting this demon,
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: or you know, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, So they
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: get fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, But when they finally
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: sit back and just go, okay, I'm not going to
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: fight you. This isn't about dying. You know, there's fates
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: worse than death certainly.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: So what what is try?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Aboudy?
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: Go ahead you yeah, dude, So you know what is
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: it that I can do here that's different? And in
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: these dreams people say, you know, all of a sudden,
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: that thing that was trying to kill me just kind
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: of smiles and then goes away, and yeah, I never
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: had that dream anymore, you know. So it's like you said,
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: turn that in and on yourself. Okay, I'm fighting something.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: I don't need to fight. I need to look at it,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: embrace it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: You know. The only way out is through.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like that old adage when you stare
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: into the abyss, the abys stairs back at you right,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: kind of like that. It wasn't like I was fighting.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: It's just surprised me even though I knew it was there. Yeah,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you know, saying and that's why. It just it just
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: freaked me out, which woke me up, but it didn't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: really scare me as much. It was just like kind
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of like boom, and I was just like, oh god,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: you know, so that's all I was. Yeah, I went
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: back to sleep ten minutes later, you know, girlfriend woke up,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that's what's wrong with you? And I go, I had
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: a bad dream, okay, yep, or right back to sleep.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't that bad.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I've had one to keep me up for, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: half the night, but not that one. That one, even
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: though it was very scary, it's just it's gotten better.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's yeah, they could be scary, they can be,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: but I think they they know that, they know that
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: they know how to push those buttons because that's part
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: of what we are. People always want to like hide
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: themselves away from that, you know what I mean. I'm
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: not that I'm I'm a good person, but like, yeah,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of course you're a good person, but you also have
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: bad thoughts too. People don't want to hear that. People
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: don't want to hear that or face.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: That about themselves, and good and bad are are totally
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: subjective depending on the perspective, you know, for anybody, the
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: shepherd who you know looks at the wolf and says
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: the wolf is a bad guy, also has a family
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: to feed, you know. So it just depends on which
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: end of the stick you're on. And that's why I
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: don't I do not consider good or evil. There are
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: no judgments like that. There are only different aspects to
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: an experience, right, right.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Experience? Yeah, if you're supposed to supposed to be able
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to look at things from six different anguish, which will
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: also to be a box because that would be in
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the three dimensional space you're working, which is also kind
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of incorrect because if you're working in the three dimensional space,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that means you're still here how without you bro I'm
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: riding your wave, man, because I get a lot of
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: people that say differently, that's what I enjoy It's like
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the teasing a part of a concept and an idea
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: had I had a fire lotus to witch on it.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: We got into the things that this person was talking
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: about was really the way they were talking about it
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: really reminded me of a lot of Eastern mysticism and
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the Pineal plan and the connection to the eye and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: all those things. And I was just like, oh yeah,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and they were like wow, and and you know what
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's I enjoy that too, because you know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of this kind of podcast realm is like,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you know, people expect, you know, the big got you
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: headlines and stuff, but like, why can't we just have
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: conversations that you know, if it interest you, that's great.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: If it don't, well maybe we can change your mind
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit and maybe maybe it'll help you. You
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's what I want to do.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: It's like I was saying, you want to spire all
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: out because I do enjoy like tool and I really
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: enjoy Yes, Well, let me let me wake you up
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: to a band. Do you ever listen to the band
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: called yob Oh?
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard that one yet.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Well, go check out yob and listen to the Path
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to ascension the path to a Send from twenty fourteen
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: incredible doom Metal Psychedelic doom metal album. It's all about
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: internalizing and it goes dude, and that's.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Where I am spelled. Why why A U B or No?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: It's like boy backwards yob oh okay, yeah, incredible, Like
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: changed my guitar playing. It changed my concepts of how
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: music is written. Yes, and you know, the songs are
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: all like ten to twenty minutes long, and it's just
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: you're out there, dude, you're out there, and you know
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you're a little bit of green. Get in my back.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: It just it just it just go inside and ride
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the wave. It's you know what I mean. I enjoy
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: Well, and what's cool about you know, for anybody who's interested,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: you know, marijuana obviously, that is one way to achieve
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: a particular brain wavelength. That's what's happening anytime you do
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: these as they call them mind altering drugs. That's what
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: they're doing is they are changing the pathways in your
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: brain so that you are processing things differently. You are
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: able to do the same things with meditation. It takes
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: more practice. It's not a you know, I kind of think.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I kind of think, honestly my opinion on this. I mean,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I like, I love to hear I think, like, you know,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: marijuana is its own entity. It's it's it's it's a connection.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It's a connection to the plant world. You're literally talking
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: to the too whatever that is to the other to
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I would say, it's to plant vegetation itself. Ayahuasca is
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, you know, it's you know,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's two plants mixed together to rue this
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and that. If not goes into your stomach and it
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: breaks down, how did you guys figure it out? The
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: plants told us to, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: What, Yeah, I.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Love that stuff. I love I've read a lot of books.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I'm big Terrence mckinna fan, and you know Alan Watts,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I get into all that stuff. Yeah, dude,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I love that stuff. And people don't. You know, people
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: don't like that. People don't like to internalize a lot
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: of things. They just kind of want to go onto
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the next wave. Which if you do that, then they
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: control you. You're being controlled my opinion.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean here's the interesting thing and something
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: that i've kind of or rather I should say I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: found it interesting in what I have arrived at. You know,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: when we're thinking about different people out there, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: how how the reception of this information is taken. As
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: you were saying, you know, people people quote unquote are
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: looking for the gravy headlines, something that gets their attention,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: you know. And I think that for the people who
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: are living unconscious lives, who are not as mindful, are
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: being once again controlled by that portion of their brain,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: the lizard brain that is looking for the gravy headlines,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: because it's still about is this going to kill me?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Or is this going to help me? Kill me? Help me,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: kill me, help me?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: You know, So it's always looking out for the the ba,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: the hits you headline, because that is what grabs their attention.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: The people who are living conscientious lives, the mindful ones,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: the ones who have already started to subvert that lizard brain,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: that primitive brain, the lower portion, and begin to listen
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: to the things that like this, they're more subtle whispers,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: you know, these other podcasts where it's more about going within,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: you know, gaining that esoteric knowledge. You know, so I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: don't bother with you know, trying to for any of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: our own content, hit the gravvy headlines, or you know,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: hit that panic button in the brain to get people
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: to click click click, click click, because that's not the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: audience that's going to get anything from the information that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: I'm telling them. They don't that's applicable to them. They're
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: not on that level, and that's okay. That is the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: experience and the existence that they're living at that point.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: For the other people, that's who I speak to.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I like both. I like both. The thing is like,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: there's not I think you come to a certain point
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: if you're what like, for example, you know, sports are
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: kind of silly if you really think about it, they're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: super silly, you know what I mean. But I still
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: enjoy them. I still enjoy them. But the thing is,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of what it is. You know, when you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: get that emotional feeling of like yeah, it's like, well,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: it's that primal thing where like we're together. You're wearing purple.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I wear purple, so therefore we're on the same team.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm aware of that. So I still enjoy it,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm aware of it instead of letting you be
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: who I am. That's a part of what I am
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that's all it is.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's other aspects of sports.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: We can even crack that open a little bit further
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: and say that there's certainly that tribalism aspect of it,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: that's basically ritualized warfare. You know, that's what sports are.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what sports are. And I totally agree
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: with you on that level. Well, but there's also other
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: aspects to different sports. It's like baseball, for example, I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: love baseball. I don't watch football because I know that's
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: a little bit more of a visceral sport. Nothing wrong
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: with it, I'm just this is not my thing, you know,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: But baseball because there is more strategy in certain ways,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: it's not as fast paced, it's more I don't know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: it's there's something a little bit more relaxing to it
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: for me, but still you know, exciting in that way.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: But I don't watch it for the competition in that way.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: I watch it for all of the other aspects of
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: it and then for the people participating. If it's not
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: for the competition, it could just be about moving your
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: body in ways that actually help to facilitate brain development, health,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: you know, all of those things. It doesn't have to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: be one, you know, for one faceted reason.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would even being a musician. You look
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: like a musician. I'm going to go out there and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: say you most likely are.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: I've dabbled a little bit. I've dabbled.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But the concept of playing an instrument is very
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: good for the mind. It's there's so many processes going
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: on at the same time that opens your mind up
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to the experience. It's like, okay, you you learn a composition,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: whatever that is, however you learn it. I don't read notes,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I just you know, you taberature or it's in my head.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: You learn you're playing it, and so you remember it's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: this way as you're playing it, you hear it and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: you correct while playing it all at the same time
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: and judging it and correcting it. This it's it's uh,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: it's a very and then you get to learn like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the left and right hemisphere at the same time,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: or you know, especially like guitar like myself, or drums.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: It's even you know, splitting fours on drums, and it's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: it's very therapeutic and it's very it's very uh. It's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: interesting too when it comes to like you know, the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: people always talk about you you say the ether, I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I say the muse, or even the concept of just, uh,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: what's the imagination? People just kind of oh, it's just
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: your imagination, Like everything you see, this Internet we're using
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: is built on the back of an idea that came
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: from what nowhere? Yeah, somewhere.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing new under the sun? Is the concept that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I've heard? Is that the yeah?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, so that that everything has already been you know,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: everything already exists. It's just a matter of manifesting it
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: in a particular dimension from somebody who is then channeling it.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: So being an artist, for example, you know some of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: the greatest artists, yes, anybody who any of the greatest
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: artists that have talked to you have been given interviews about, well,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: how did you come up with this major hit? You know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: you wrote it in one evening or fifteen minutes in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: the back of a napkin, like and it's the greatest
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: hit of all time?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Like, how did you do that?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: They will talk about it just essentially coming full form
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: into their mind and all they're doing is putting it down.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: For everybody to experience, and so.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: And so again, this is where we can kind of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: take the paranormal and translate it through this this lens
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: here is that those when when artists of any kind
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: are creating in that way that they are channeling from
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: the ether and manifesting it, creating it in this lower
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: dimensional reality.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird because the thing that happens with
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: words like channeling is that they get the stigma about
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: them because there's hucksters who are in it for the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: wrong reasons. You know, if you say, you know bigfoot,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: people look at you like you're crazy, and you're like, not, dude,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: this is or for it? What about what about the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: what about the uncontacted force people? You know, there's people
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: who just swear by I speak to Native people like, yeah,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I had to take a you know, I went into
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the woods for six months and I had to meet them.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: And there's ones who were trade with you, and there's
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: ones who won't trade with you, you know what, you
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like there's there's I love
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: this whatever this is, you know, and people like people
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: just take it. So the like unexamined is I think
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the word the best way. The unexamined life is a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: life kind of I don't know, just from my point
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: of experience or the way. It's just kind of boring,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: What I mean, it's just for me, wasn't that?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Was it Socrates or Aristotle? Can't remember which one of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: the you know, scientists or philosophers. I think it was
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Socrates who said the unexamined.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Line Socrates did? I just did? I just quote Socrates?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: I think you did? Just pull out a philosopher there, yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: all right, yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: So I mean there's these you know, words of wisdom
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: have been around for quite a long time in esoteric knowledge.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: It's it's there for a reason, you know, it's ancient
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: knowledge that I I have found fascinating to dig into.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Once you get beyond that day to day grind of
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: I just need a coffee, I just need to pay
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: the bills, I just need you know, whatever, whatever, and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: you really start to slow down and examine things.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, what was I going to say?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: There was something about oh, the channeling, So a quick
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: note about that that I noticed you say that it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: has a loaded negative association in common language. And this
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: is one of those things that I learned when studying
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: with Tilly and learning non human psychology, is that they
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: do not have loaded language. They have a word and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: that word means that word. There is no emotional association,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: there is no multiple duplicit interpretations depending on what culture
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: or what day of the week, or you know, like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: it's not none of that. It is literal language, which
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: took me so very long to learn with Tilly that
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: you know, things like oh, I'll just be a minute,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: and if you're not back in sixty seconds, that's perplexing
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: because you said a minute.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: One minute is sixty seconds.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: And so as a you know, yeah, or you know,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: we have these common sayings like kill two birds with
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: one stone. You know, when we say something like that,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: we mean we've accomplished something, you know, too different with
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: two different one action, two different accomplishments were made at
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: the same time. But the vibration of that language is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: very violent, so we are killing.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Something with it.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: But most people when they use the phrase I kill
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: two birds with one stone with that, they just you know,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: I had.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Actual joke about that. I've done stand up comedy too
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: for many years. And as killing two birds with one
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: stone is fortuitous, killing one bird with two stones is malicious,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: it's just I love wordplay. So yeah, this is I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: think we have so much more to unpack. I like, yeah,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: is there any possibility that maybe your wife would come on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she probably would.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be a little while because we're going to be
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  Speaker 5: attending the Full Disclosure Now Conference in next month in
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  Speaker 5: July down here in St. Pete's Beach, Florida. So I mean,
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  Speaker 5: for anybody if they're listening and they're here in the area,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to be distinguished guests speaking speaking, not speaking
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  Speaker 5: this year, but we'll be We're on the list of
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  Speaker 5: just honorary guests essentially that'll be out and about with
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  Speaker 5: the coordinator of the group or I'm sorry, the coordinator
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  Speaker 5: of the event and yeah, so you know, for anybody
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  Speaker 5: that wants to chat some more of you happen to
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  Speaker 5: be there, cool, that's awesome. But yeah, it'll probably be
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  Speaker 5: closer to like September October before we have dates to
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  Speaker 5: be able to come back on and talk a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: This is it's been, it's been. I enjoy it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a kind of I love putting pieces of the puzzle together.
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  Speaker 1: That you know, there's things that you're saying that I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with. There's things that you're saying that I
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  Speaker 1: don't that I had just put this way that I
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  Speaker 1: haven't experienced yet. That's good enough for me, That's fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like an olive branch, I
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  Speaker 1: think you would say. And it's been a fantastic conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Is anything you want to Is anything else you're promoting
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  Speaker 1: other than being there in Saint Pete?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, in Saint Pete also when I was mentioning earlier.
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  Speaker 5: So we have that series that I've been putting out
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  Speaker 5: on YouTube. It's been on pause for a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm going to be back to it. The channel
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  Speaker 5: named The Weird Walk Home, and the series that I'm
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  Speaker 5: working on it's called The Intermediary Diaries. But also Tilly
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  Speaker 5: has a Facebook that you can reach out to us
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  Speaker 5: her name at Tilly tread Well, send messages there that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff. She usually does all the social outreach
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  Speaker 5: and you know, scheduling and stuff for me in that way.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, and I think it'd be I think it'd
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  Speaker 5: be real fun to have you let me know next
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  Speaker 5: time what sorts of things that you the differences that
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  Speaker 5: you have, because I love talking about, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: different Because of course I could benefit as well from
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  Speaker 5: getting those different aspects, and I think passion those things
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  Speaker 5: out real time is helpful not only to us but
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  Speaker 5: anybody listening who might have those same things going on.
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  Speaker 1: So absolutely, it's it's it's an it's an I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: an exchange of different concepts and ideas and maybe different
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  Speaker 1: approaches into looking into things. I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: by any means enlightened, but at least I know that
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Process, right, and it never ends and it never ends exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and all those links, guys are down in the
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  Speaker 1: description below. Okayis I get it? Is that your Is
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  Speaker 1: that your name or is that like your name that
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  Speaker 1: you picked or did your family?
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  Speaker 4: That's it? Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, all right, your dad's awesome. That's a cool name.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard that one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This has been This has been fantastic, man. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: it so much, and I want to definitely most definitely
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  Speaker 1: have you back on a live and that way you
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  Speaker 1: can kind of maybe field some questions because I think
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  Speaker 1: my community would love to talk to you.
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  Speaker 4: Man, absolutely would love it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and thank you so much for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciated it.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All that appreciated it, why would I say the pastry
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  Speaker 1: absolutely okay guys. So I hope you guys enjoyed the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Remember we are the I, we are aware.
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  Speaker 2: Love you all, An
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  Speaker 3: I