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Art Norman on Oprah, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates & 45 Years at NBC Chicago · In My Hometown

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SPEAKER_02: For more than four decades, Art Norman has been one of the most recognizable and beloved faces in Chicago television.
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SPEAKER_02: From reporting news to exploring the latest technology and introducing us to fascinating people, Art has built a remarkable career at NBC Five Chicago.
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SPEAKER_02: For me, this conversation is also personal.
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SPEAKER_02: Art has been a role model and mentor since I had first had the opportunity to work with him years ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Today, we're talking about his extraordinary career, how television news has changed, and some of the memorable moments along the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Enjoy the conversation on In My Hometown.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, Art, welcome to In My Hometown.
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SPEAKER_02: This is it.
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SPEAKER_02: This is it.
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SPEAKER_00: This is your hometown.
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SPEAKER_02: This is where it goes.
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SPEAKER_02: This is where it goes down.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, you are a Chicago icon, a Chicago new, you know, television news icon.
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SPEAKER_02: You are, no, you know this, and you are a recognized personality, one of the most recognized personalities.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that too.
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SPEAKER_02: That too.
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SPEAKER_02: We go way back.
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SPEAKER_02: We go back way back.
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SPEAKER_02: But when you, I mean, you've been at you were at AB uh NBC.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I almost said ABC.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: NBC Five Chicago for a very long time.
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SPEAKER_00: 45 years.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Four 45 years.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And so could you ever, when you started out in broadcast news, did you ever imagine that you were gonna have this long of a career and this amazing thing?
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SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
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SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, I just knew that when I came to work at Channel 5, uh I was walking a picket line in Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Oprah Winfrey.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: We're walking a picket line.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: We worked in the same newsroom in Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: So we were we sat next to each other in the newsroom.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh so we uh so they they uh Suzanne Mangioni, uh the executive producer at Channel 5, was what she's from Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, she was walking by the picket line and she says, How are you doing?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm from uh Chicago, WMAQ.
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SPEAKER_00: So I said, Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody looked at her, you know, and I said, I need to give her my resume.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: So I said, Honey, where are you going right now?
2:11
SPEAKER_00: She said, I'm I'm I'm going to the store over here.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, just walk real slow.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll catch up with you.
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SPEAKER_00: I got my resume tape in the trunk of my car.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna run and get it.
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SPEAKER_00: She said, fine, fine.
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SPEAKER_00: She was very nice about it.
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SPEAKER_00: I gave her the resume tape the next day.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, they flew me to Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00: No, there's no joke about it.
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SPEAKER_00: She got to Chicago and I got the job.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we weren't making no much big money.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like$40,$43,000 a year.
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SPEAKER_00: But the point is, I was making$19 a year in Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was a big jump.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So so I'm sitting there in the newsroom and uh I got the job and I'm looking around and I said, Man, this is strange.
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SPEAKER_00: Then Oprah calls me, she says, Art, gang jobs in Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Tim uh just broke up.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, Are you kidding me?
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SPEAKER_00: Oprah and I had the same agent.
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SPEAKER_00: So that that was uh uh Ron Chaparro.
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SPEAKER_00: So I said, uh I said, well, there's a guy, he did entertainment tonight, and he's good, he's doing entertainment tonight.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: He used to be the entertainment reporter at ABC 7.
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SPEAKER_00: She said, Yeah.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: I said, Why don't you shoot for that?
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SPEAKER_00: She said, I'll do it.
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SPEAKER_00: She makes, we call our agent, and he says, Okay, we're gonna get you up there, Chicago, for the interview.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm sitting there and I'm saying, Wow, Oprah's coming to town tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, I'm gonna hook up, you know, we'll hook up and you know, because we used to, we were like buds.
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SPEAKER_02: Buds.
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SPEAKER_02: Was she the the Oprah then?
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SPEAKER_02: Or she was she was just a she was reporter, not just, but she was a reporter.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a reporter.
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SPEAKER_00: She had to do the uh she had to co-anchor the 430 news with Faye Flynn and do the talk show.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: People are talking.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh which later became the Oprah Winfrey show.
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SPEAKER_00: But the point is, she did all that.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh it's amazing how how today we were making$19,000 a year.
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SPEAKER_00: Today she's a billionaire.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, isn't it?
4:06
SPEAKER_02: Shut up! Isn't it wild?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, there were so many of these people.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, Oprah is certainly one of the biggest, but so many other folks in Chicago that have really come through here and stayed here for a long time and made it big.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, we had Lester Holt and um Elizabeth Vargas, I knew that I know that you knew, and some, I mean, a lot of others.
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SPEAKER_02: And Faye Flynn, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Is that Faye Flynn, anchor of Channel 7.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember him when I was growing up.
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SPEAKER_00: He was he did the anchor of the 430 news with Oprah.
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SPEAKER_00: And then she had to turn around and and do the talk show in the morning.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was and everybody thought, you know, you gotta think about um, I hate to be racial, but Oprah's dark skin.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, and she just lost all her hair in Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: She went to a beauty parlor, and and they they put too much lye in it or something, burned her hair out.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't know how to do her hair.
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SPEAKER_00: Now here's the thing this is a chubby woman, short hair.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm telling her she's beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: You're beautiful, you're gonna kno knock it out the park.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, I hope so, all right.
5:11
SPEAKER_00: I hope you're right.
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SPEAKER_00: By the way, the the the our more our boss in Baltimore became our boss in Chicago, my boss in Chicago, Dick Rangel.
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SPEAKER_00: So you brought everyone over essentially to Chicago.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: He was here first, and then he hired me to come to Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00: So I said, okay, let's let's do this.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh Oprah went through the all the she she had a home run.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: See, the thing that that that when I would make it racial, she's dark skinned, short hair, overweight.
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SPEAKER_00: And the boss, and she says, she comes to visit me at channel five on the week that she would uh Dennis Swanson interviewed her, uh, week before he interviewed her.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, Come on over to Channel 5, hang out with me at the Merchandise Martin.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Oprah are hanging around.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, she meets Carol Maureen, Ron Majors, she meets all man, this is a nice place.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, Can you get me a job over here at Channel 5?
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SPEAKER_00: I said, sure.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll I'll I'll approach the president.
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SPEAKER_00: His name is Monte Newman.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll approach president.
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SPEAKER_00: I went to the president's office.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, man, this is girl out of Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a she's gonna hit a home run no matter where she lands.
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SPEAKER_00: She's she's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: She says, All right, is she a friend of yours?
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SPEAKER_00: I said, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: He says, You think you might be a little biased?
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SPEAKER_00: I said, a little bit, but she's really good.
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SPEAKER_00: She's really, really good.
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SPEAKER_00: So he says, Okay, okay, okay, all right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll interview, I'll send her out.
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SPEAKER_00: We go out for a lunch.
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SPEAKER_00: Monty Newman, the president of NBC, took Oprah Winfrey out to lunch.
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SPEAKER_00: And she's in my office with, I shared an office with Wander Saunders and a guy named Otis B.
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SPEAKER_00: Cannon, all and Jim Tillman.
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SPEAKER_00: We're all in the same office.
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SPEAKER_00: They put all the Negroes together back then.
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SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking just legends, but but you they were all black people.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
6:57
SPEAKER_00: But I was thinking legends.
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SPEAKER_02: That's where I was going.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to know where my people are.
7:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So so the Monty Newman comes by the office and says, Listen, Oprah, we uh let's go to lunch and we'll talk this out.
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SPEAKER_00: And so they left.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Warner looked at each other and said, Man, I hope she gets the job.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I said, Well, she she's got she's a good gap.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a gifted gap.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a great writer because we're both reporters in in Baltimore.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh he came back.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, How'd you do, Oprah?
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SPEAKER_00: How'd you do?
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SPEAKER_00: She says, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I shot myself in the foot.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, What do you mean?
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SPEAKER_00: He said, He said to her, Listen, I have the number one talk show host in America working here at NBC.
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SPEAKER_00: His name is Phil Donahue.
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SPEAKER_00: Would you hire yourself or somebody who's known, like Phil Donahue?
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SPEAKER_00: And she said, I go with Phil Donahue.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what she said.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And she didn't get the job at Chelsea.
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SPEAKER_02: She was very humble at the beginning.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Very humble.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very humble.
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SPEAKER_00: And then so.
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SPEAKER_02: And is that why they went she went into the syndicated sort of piece?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, that that came later.
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SPEAKER_00: That came later.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: Then she went over to the challenge.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: There's a book here.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a book here that you write.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a book everywhere.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: So this she goes to the thing and uh she's she gets on the air.
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SPEAKER_00: And and I'm sitting in the newsroom with Carol Marine and uh Ron Majors, we're looking at her.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my girl.
8:23
SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah, I know you burned over the place.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's doing a good job.
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SPEAKER_00: And she was anchoring the news with Faye Flynn.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:29
SPEAKER_00: And so they said, um and the president of NBC uh looked at the numbers, the ratings.
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SPEAKER_00: The first day she was on the air, there's a factor where people tuned in just to see her.
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SPEAKER_00: The second day, up a little higher.
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SPEAKER_00: Got to the point, her ratings were so good, she beat Phil Donahue.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: She beat Phil Donahue.
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SPEAKER_00: It took him off the air.
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SPEAKER_00: But the point is, and this is a a woman, so in other words, so the president of NBC, I'm president at the time of the National Association of Black Journalists.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to the convention, and uh Monty Newman walks up and he said, All right, I'm drinking more than I've ever been before.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, What do you mean?
9:12
SPEAKER_00: What are you drinking for?
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SPEAKER_00: He says, Well, I can't believe I had Oprah Winfrey sitting right there in front of me for two-hour lunch.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a guy that's paid to discover talent.
9:23
SPEAKER_00: Why didn't I see that?
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SPEAKER_00: All right, why didn't I see Oprah Winfrey?
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SPEAKER_00: I said, This is my in my mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Me and Warner and Jim Tillman all got together and said, Because she's dark skinned, short hair, and overweight.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't see the value of who that was.
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SPEAKER_00: He's passed on it.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: And she beat him so badly, she got only then they bec she went into syndication, and and 90% of the viewers watching TV here in Chicago are watching Oprah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It's such a lesson because it really is.
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SPEAKER_02: It's about, of course, not just uh judging anyone but you know by the the book, the cover, right?
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SPEAKER_02: The cover and being able to sort of look past that.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's of course, it's an age-old issue, but something that you've seen.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, you've certainly had the front row seat to Operwyn, for you've had a front row seat to so many others.
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SPEAKER_02: What have you seen as what would you say is sort of the biggest um uh change that you've witnessed in in local news or in Chicago local news?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, local news is it's it's very um if we go out on a story now, yeah.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: You have to throw write three versions of that story.
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SPEAKER_00: One is a basically like a newspaper article and they post it on the NBC website.
10:43
SPEAKER_00: Then you have to write the uh iPhone version.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: Right.
10:49
SPEAKER_00: And it's gotta be people have got to pick up the iPhone, read it, and understand what you're saying.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: No 15 paragraphs.
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unknown: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's you have to do, and then you have to put some video together, which is what Charlie does.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: He's a real good.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
11:04
SPEAKER_00: You have to do all three of those things.
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SPEAKER_02: Charlie Woodhask, your longtime friend and partner.
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SPEAKER_00: Broomsman at my wedding.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: Oh, um, yes.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean amazing, amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: We're tight.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:12
SPEAKER_00: Some people say, y'all, y'all start to look alike.
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SPEAKER_02: Right, right?
11:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you guys, so you I don't know about that.
11:19
SPEAKER_02: That is a funny joke.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna stay on that for a second.
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SPEAKER_02: Because for those that that may not know, Charlie is uh white, a and um uh he used to be very light haired.
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SPEAKER_02: It's uh we've all uh we've all changed our dark hair.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now it's lighter, yes.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: I guess now it's lighter.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but anyways, Charlie's uh the Charlie's also amazing and like we said, longtime friend and partner.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: You guys did so this is a good time to talk about um the weekend web, which is now tech trends.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh when when I always talk about weekend web, it's like it used to be always said the world wide web.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't really have to say that anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: No, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Do you so we go back, we go way back.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you remember when we first met?
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SPEAKER_00: Tell me about it.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: I recall that I had pitched you, I was doing public relations and at a Chicago firm, and I had pitched you on some tech product, and you were like, come on down, come on in for it.
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SPEAKER_02: And we um you had me in to feature it with you and Charlie.
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SPEAKER_02: And then I think I had told you, or you asked me, had I done this before.
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SPEAKER_02: And I said that I had been a reporter for a little little while, but I really wanted to, you know, continue that.
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SPEAKER_02: And you brought me back for the next four years.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I was I was coming in almost every month.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: Very good.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: And you're this podcast is awesome.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: I've been watching some of your podcast episodes.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: But we had so much fun, and I just, you know, so again, I was on probably every month for about four years, and all I remember is just how much of a cheerleader you were, not only to me, but to so many others.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes um, the mentorship that you have given to I've got over 300 interns that are now working reporters, amazing, including the guy that's on anchoring the news at Channel 5 now, Everard Cassimi.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was my intern.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: But the point is, you get to reach back and help people along the way.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: That's that's the key to success.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got to make people feel welcome.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: When you walked in for the first time, and I said, Boy, she's got I told Charlie, I said, she's got that it.
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SPEAKER_00: Look at her.
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SPEAKER_00: She she she's very confident what she's doing.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, She sure is.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: I said, Man, let's invite it back.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: And you hit another home run.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: Then you got products, technology.
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SPEAKER_00: You really knew your technology stuff.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you know what you blew me away.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: You know what the funniest is?
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SPEAKER_02: One time, this is again 20 years ago, but we did a segment on um tax software.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like turbo tax at the time.
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SPEAKER_02: And I did a two-part segment with you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so two weeks in a row of showing people how to do their taxes.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: I came home, my husband laughed so hard because I will I have never done that before and or since.
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SPEAKER_02: I would never, but I learned it to come on and to feature it.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: And um, and that was the fun.
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SPEAKER_00: You feel welcome.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: You gotta do it scary.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: I will relax you within 30 seconds.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: You do.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: And I will relax you, and then I'll make you better.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: You'll be very confident when you're talking about whatever you're talking about.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: And you you kick butt, girl.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: But I just think I learned so much from you in terms of um, again, you know, how you do reach back, how you are a mentor, how you are a role model, but of course, also that that energy um that you have.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: We we have great energy, and and I kind of make sure I infect everybody around me with that energy.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, I love it.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: And you do.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: My parents ran into you years back at some place, and they just, I mean, they were smiling ear to ear.
14:54
SPEAKER_02: I think it was like a knee.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: My mom has had a knee thing going on.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: I can't remember where they were.
14:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, but they saw you.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: She looked like you.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's it.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: She came up to you.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: Of course she did.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: She, I mean, she absolutely loves you.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: She talks about you all the time.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: How did you, though, you started that, like we said, over 20 years ago, um, that you guys started doing that.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and how did you first know to get into the tech segments?
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SPEAKER_00: Tech segment was something that uh, well, Charlie and I were uh are geeks.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: We're we're you don't look good, but you're geeks.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: And uh we would sit there in the newsroom, and this is before they had a graphical user interface on on Windows.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: It used to be uh a black screen with green letters on it.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: And then you and you had to everything was you had to type it yourself.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh there was no graphics, and uh, and then uh we were writing code for that and making things happen.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: We sit Jim Tillman was another guy, he was a brilliant man.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: The three of us would sit in the newsroom and just write code.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow and then uh then uh then I got to the point that I said, listen, let's lock in nbc.com.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: Are you really Charlie said can we do that?
16:08
SPEAKER_00: I said, hell yeah.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: I just found out about it.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: So we went and uh locked in nbc.com, wmaq.com.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: We bought we bought this the site.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: So NBC says they started getting hip to the what's happening.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: They said, uh, we want that back.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: I said, no problem.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: Right, you got me working here.
16:31
SPEAKER_00: You can have anything I got.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: Right, you're a team player.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, team play.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: You gotta be a team player.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: So they I gave it back to them.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: I had it, but I gave it away.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: Gave it away.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: I could have got said, I want a million dollars.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm happy to have a job.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: You just wanted it the for the good of what you were doing, and you thought about it, but you really were at the forefront of it.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, no one else really was.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: A math physics major in college.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: That's all I I'm a geek.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: And an engine, you started as an engineer also, right?
17:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: I would go to work at uh I would I was work from the uh 11 o'clock at night to six o'clock in the morning.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: I did those.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: And I walked through the station fixing klystrons and different kinds of machines, videotape machines.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: That's what I did.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: I fixed it.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: How did you move from that to on air then?
17:21
SPEAKER_00: Well, the point is that they uh well see in college, I anchored the radio news at my college.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: It's a historically black college.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: So um they they had an audition one day and they said, listen, we're having auditions.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: Art Norman just built a radio station on the campus.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: I did it.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: I built it myself from ground up.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: I went to the different TV stations in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I grabbed enough equipment to put it together.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: I got there and I put it together and I said, okay, this is the radio station.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: They said, okay, we're gonna have auditions for DJ.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: So back in the day was everybody was talking like Muhammad Ali, like I could butterfly sting like a bee.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: And they said, All right, you're gonna audition?
17:59
SPEAKER_00: I said, sure, I'll audition.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: I got in there, I was terrible.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Were you?
18:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't see that.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: I think well, I do think visual need to have a lot of things.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: And things like that.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have that as a young man.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: They said, all right, all right, since you built this station, you're gonna be a part of it.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: You just read the news every top of the bottom of every hour.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: That's what you do.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: That's all you have to do.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: Good evening, Art Norman with the news, blah, blah, blah, blah.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: And I did the news, top of the bottom of every hour for for for uh for the entire time I was in college.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: That's what gave me the impetus to to to go to uh outside of engineering.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: So there was uh there was a there was a job that uh at uh in Charlotte, and they said uh we want we need somebody to uh I was also doing radio at the time at W IST Radio in Charlotte, and I did radio, but I kept my voice there.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: But I could fix anything.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Right.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm a geek.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: I love it, I love it.
19:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, I it is great, and it so you moved it from the weekend web, it turned into tech trends, and you guys are still doing a lot.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: Over the years that I was there, you had Bill.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: I remember Bill Gates came in several times, but one time you called, I think you called me, and you're like, Bill Gates is gonna be here, and you can meet him.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: I I I ran right over there and you introduced me to him.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: It was so great.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: Was he one of your best um you know, interviews?
19:23
SPEAKER_02: Who who do you think back on as your most exciting manager?
19:26
SPEAKER_00: He he and Steve Case and uh um uh Steve Jobs.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: Remember, Steve Jobs came in.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: Did he founder of Apple, right?
19:34
SPEAKER_00: He walks in and he says, All right, Charlie, Newton is a failure.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll Newton was a handheld device that they made at Apple.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you might be.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Not the man, not the man was the failure.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Newton.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: But that was that was the name of the yes, so they said that uh we got something we just invented.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: I said, What's what do you got?
19:52
SPEAKER_00: What do you got, Steve?
19:53
SPEAKER_00: He says, it's called an iPhone.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, I'll go by Barnes and Open and get an iPhone for Dummies book.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: He said, if you have to get an iPhone for dummies book, I failed.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to pick this phone up and it works.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: I said, What are you talking about?
20:09
SPEAKER_00: He says, That's that's my impetus.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: I said, man.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: And then he came back in the next week later, he says, All right, Charlie, free iPhone for you, a free iPhone for you.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: Go go for it.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: We looked at him and said, uh, Steve, we can't accept gifts.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: We're journalists.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's payola.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: We can go to jail for that stuff.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: We have ethics rules here at NBC.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: He said, Are you kidding me?
20:39
SPEAKER_00: He said, You can't accept this.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: I said, No, but but we'll do you a favor.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: We'll go to the Apple store in Michigan now and buy one.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: He said, You will say, Absolutely.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: We won't let you, then we would and we won't we won't give it.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Won't won't let you get no gifts.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: Right, no gifts.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: So he said, okay, we'll do that.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: And then uh and uh Bill Gates got tight with him.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: Um we had our national convention of the National Association of Black Journalists Convention in Seattle.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: And so where Microsoft is, right?
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Is our SP Husbands?
21:13
SPEAKER_02: No, where Microsoft is, right?
21:15
SPEAKER_00: In Seattle, yes, so he says, um I want you to do me a favor, all right?
21:20
SPEAKER_00: I said, what do you need?
21:21
SPEAKER_00: What do you need?
21:22
SPEAKER_00: He says, Yep, we're tight, right?
21:23
SPEAKER_00: I say, uh-oh.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: What's going on here?
21:26
SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: He says, I don't when you have your convention here in Ch, I don't want any Apple machines on the floor.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: All the booths and everything will be PC products, no, no, no apples.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: I said, I'll give you$250,000 for your scholarships if you do that.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: I said the hell an apple.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: The hell an apple.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: I sent so many kids to college with that.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: It didn't go in my pocket, right?
21:58
SPEAKER_00: It went straight to the scholarship fund.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Warner says Warner says, how'd you get him to do that?
22:03
SPEAKER_00: I said, I just asked him.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: And he he he and his m Melissa.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Melinda.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Melinda.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: They they do that kind of stuff.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I know.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: She's she is um uh she's fighting for some other causes too.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: I know she's big on menopause, which I'm very into.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm into menopause right now.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: But Steve, I mean, yeah, Bill Gates would come by the newsroom and he he sit in the lobby.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: So I'll go out to the lobby to get him to take him in for the weekend web.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: He said, I said, Bill, you have entourage?
22:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean you sit here by your damn self.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: He says, Well, I'm staying at the shared across the street.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: I just walked across the street.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: By yourself?
22:41
SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah, what's wrong with that?
22:43
SPEAKER_00: They don't know who I am.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: So me and Charlie, we took him, we we do the weekend web with him.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Then we uh take him to uh he likes Rivas at Navy Pier.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: We're walking down from NBC to Navy Pier, and he's he's harping on the fact that nobody knows me.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: So we're walking down the street, three of us, three stooches.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Every five minutes, somebody said, Hey Art Norman, hey Charlie, what's up, man?
23:13
SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I love you guys.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: And Bill Case is laughing his ass off.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: He's saying, uh, I I told you, they don't know who.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: That is hysterical.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: That's hysterical.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: We sat there and we get tight, and uh one time he called me and he said, Listen, I'm um uh uh I have a I bought the uh uh encyclopedia encyclopedia uh program.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna make it into a Microsoft program.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: I said, okay.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: He says, I want you to um, he sent his father uh to to NBC to talk about licensing.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: We did a segment with his father.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: And we did a segment with it, he said, we got another guy, he's gonna come in, he's gonna talk about black history.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: I said, Great, that's wonderful.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: He says, uh what's his name?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: He says, his name is Skip Gates.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: I said, one of his relatives, you know.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Who the hell is Skip Gates?
24:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm sitting in the lobby waiting on Skip Gates, and he walks in.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: This is a black guy.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Really?
24:09
SPEAKER_00: Your name is Gates, right?
24:11
SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm head of the history department at Harvard University.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've seen you on PBS and all that stuff.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: He said, Yeah, yeah.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm in I'm in charge of the uh encyclopedia for for Microsoft.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: I do all the history research.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: He did a wonderful job.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: He did a wonderful job, and we we did a Was he a family member?
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Or he just happened to have the last name Gates?
24:33
SPEAKER_02: Last name Gate.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's very interesting.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: You see him on PBS all the time.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll I I'll have to I'll have to look.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: I that it I mean, you had such a lot of characters coming through.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: I used to uh remember coming in the door.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Gary Marshall came in.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what he was talking about when he came in, but I think it was uh well he had used the things that the great man, great man.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: He has the Charlie and I would go to the Northwest and he would they renamed the building after him and he wanted us to be there.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: He's a Chicago guy, you know.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: So he's like big fan of Art Norman and Charlie Woodgowski.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: I know it.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, every time I was there, I get I'm I'm I'm excited just sitting there in front of me.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: I said, Marshalls, don't start no stuff, just just act regular.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: It's so funny.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: I remember just every time being in the in the studio there that there was just all of these great people, and you were always at the center of it.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: Um how fun.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: You also had a show called Art Norman's Chicago, right?
25:30
SPEAKER_02: What was that all about?
25:32
SPEAKER_00: That was highlighting things in the black community that were were not in the first block of any news show.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, say for example, uh uh um the the the when when Jesse Jackson did something and it was he he was running for president, we wanted to make sure his word was out there.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh historical facts about the city of Chicago, like the uh the Sears Tower on the west side of Chicago, not the Sears Tower that you know, there was the Sears Tower before that, and it was uh staffed by black people.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: And uh and uh we did a lot of stories about positive things in the black community, but also we focus on other communities as well.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:17
SPEAKER_00: We did the Irish dancers, they they can dance, maybe those dance with the legs, they just flip them out and all that stuff.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Look at this.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: That's fun because that was art norm Chicago.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't all black, it was just stuff that you never saw.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: The community, again, another just um part of of what makes you you is reaching out and making sure that you're highlighting people that are not just celebrities, but just everyday people and what people are doing.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh and Chicago is an amazing place.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Have you ever thought about living somewhere?
26:48
SPEAKER_02: I mean, so you mentioned you were in Baltimore, but have you ever thought about leaving Chicago at all?
26:52
SPEAKER_02: Or you just love it here?
26:54
SPEAKER_00: I'm uh born and raised in New York City.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I was like, born and raised in New York City.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: I was my mother's head of the Usher board at Abyssinia Baptist Church.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: My minister was Adam Clayton Powell, okay, a civil rights leader and a former congressman from Harrell Harlem.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: And so uh that's the church I grew up in.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: So we we always reached out to everybody.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: We that was uh that was my background.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: My that's what gave me the impetus to be so dug on open, you know.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: And those kinds of things happen when when you grew up in a community where uh everybody was on welfare, public aid, or something like that.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: And I was on that too.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: And I went to my my uh, I remember um my mother is from Bessema, Alabama.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: And uh one of her good friends uh was a graduate of this black college in North Carolina.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: She said, Mary, that's my mother.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: She just left us at 102.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: So I wow, I'm so sorry.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: So she says, Mary, send your boy at knucklehead, Art Norman, send him to a black college.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Send him to my college.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: And uh I every summer, my brothers and I would go to uh Alabama and we go to his church and sing at his church or go to church.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: And his daughter became real famous.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: Which who is Condi Lisa Rice.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: I knew this he's going summer.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that wild?
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that great?
28:23
SPEAKER_00: So every time Condi Lisa Rice is in Chicago, she'll call me.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: She'll say, All right, what you doing?
28:27
unknown: Right.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: We go hang out.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: It's like two little kids.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, you also, I uh you were friendly with Obama before he became president.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, very, very friendly.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: I mean, again, where is your book?
28:40
SPEAKER_02: I I we it needs to be written.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: All of these stories.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: It's a great wild.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and great.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: It's on your podcast.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: I know.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: I love, I'm glad that we're going.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: I so you've you've um you've received some incredible recognition over the years, including the induction to the National Association of Black Journalists Hall of Fame.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, what what I get that too?
29:00
SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I think yeah, every time I look at Facebook, there's another recognition you're you're receiving.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: But um just a lot, a lot of achievements.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm I love to say that I know you.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: It um it fills me with such pride.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: You have you're just the most amazing.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: What what advice do you give to people right now who are looking at a career in general?
29:20
SPEAKER_00: I like I told Everard and um Everard Cassimi, who's now the anchor at Channel 5.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: I said, listen, be the first to arrive and the last to leave.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: And uh, and see, I catch these young people.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I remember Marion Brooks coming up to visit me.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: She was a college student at Spelman College, just hanging out.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Nothing, just hanging out.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: And then and and so Everard is like saying, he's in the newsroom sharing the office with me and Charlie.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: He says, All right, Island sent out over 80 videotape resumes.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Not a nibble, not a thank you, not even of uh we have it on record, but nothing.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: So I said, don't worry about it.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll help you out.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: Me and Charlie will get the busy.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: Our intern just got a job in Grand Junction, Colorado.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: Grand Junction, Colorado.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: White guy, a graduate from DePaul University.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: So I called him.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: I said, Alex, his name is Alex.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: I said, Alex, I'm gonna send your resume of this guy named Everard Cassime, walking into the news director's office.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: No problem.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: The next day he gets the job.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: And I said, I said, Everard says, 0.002% black in Grand Junction, Colorado.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: How'd you get me a damn job?
30:38
SPEAKER_00: And they say, diversity.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a big word, diversity.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: It is, it wouldn't seem fair.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: But I think it's that, and it's also, like you said, putting yourself out there, you are not afraid to go help people.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: No, not at all.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: And I hope and I I see that people then see that as your role model.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: They then want to um model that and go do that.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: So hopefully, Dr.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: Ian Smith doing great work.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, former intern of mine.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: We would go everywhere together.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, the president of um Midway Broadcasting, Melody Spann, former intern.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would you could go on and on.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I interviewed Ronald Reagan.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, Ronald Reagan, Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: President, can my intern ask you a couple of questions?
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SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure, sure.
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SPEAKER_00: So I give the microphone to her and she asks a question.
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SPEAKER_00: And Ronald Reagan looks at me and says, All right, she has better questions than you.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I I I think that um she probably learned from you.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it's wonderful.
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SPEAKER_02: I I could talk to you for hours.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I hope you'll come back.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll have Charlie come back with you.
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SPEAKER_02: Can you get Charlie here?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, we'll he's expensive now.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: I right.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll have to.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Because you pay a lot of money for me to get right.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll have to you'll you'll get an in.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: You'll you'll give me an in with Charlie, but I would love to have you guys back with you.
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SPEAKER_02: We're out of time already.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're out of time, but I would love to.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: I got more to say.
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SPEAKER_02: Of course you do.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding?
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SPEAKER_02: You have a 45-year-plus career.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, you are uh art Norman, after all.
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SPEAKER_02: But thank you so much for swimming by here.
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SPEAKER_00: You keep up the good work.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been watching all of your podcast and your podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: You do a great job.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Very good on camera, wonderful delivery, succinct to the point, no fat.
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SPEAKER_00: I like it.
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SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and all I can say is that um you can continue to reinvent yourself and you don't um, you know, you don't have to have just one chapter, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh write another chapter.
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SPEAKER_00: I used to say, who have you helped today?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I used to, I mean, I was 12 years old at Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem.
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SPEAKER_00: I I was a 12-year-old kid that introduced Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: King at church.
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SPEAKER_00: He used to say to me all the time, people, I I tell these stories to these kids in Chicago, and they say, You must be 104 years old.
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SPEAKER_02: I know, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: King.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, uh, I I think we end on that.
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SPEAKER_02: Who have you helped today?
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SPEAKER_02: Um, thank you very much for being here.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, you pay a lot of money for me to be here.
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SPEAKER_02: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: We're out, we're out of here.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Art.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks so much for hanging out with me today on In My Hometown.
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SPEAKER_02: I'd love to hear what you think.
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SPEAKER_02: Until next time, take care of yourself, enjoy where you are in life, and remember, we're just getting started.