Latest / Simply Bitcoin / Alejandro Muyshondt | El Salvador's National Security Advisor | Simply Bitcoin IRL

Transcript

Alejandro Muyshondt | El Salvador's National Security Advisor | Simply Bitcoin IRL · Simply Bitcoin

0:07
Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of
0:10
Simply Bitcoin IRL. I'm very, very excited about
0:13
this episode. We have a very special guest.
0:16
His name is Alejandro, I'm gonna ask him to pronounce his last
0:20
name. Good.
0:20
It's quite difficult for me to pronounce it, but he is the
0:25
National Security advisor of the country of El Salvador.
0:28
So I have a ton of questions for him, really looking forward to
0:32
this episode. But before we jump in, I want to
0:35
give a shout out. Out to the Bitcoin company.
0:37
That makes this show possible. Swan Bitcoin is the best place
0:40
to buy Bitcoin. It's built by bitcoiners.
0:43
It's for bitcoiners, set up a DC, a plan, set it to forget.
0:47
Also, check out their new products Swan Ira.
0:50
They have, they have a Ross, they have everything.
0:53
And if you if you have any questions, Roth?
0:56
Aye, forgive me for that. If you have any questions about
0:59
the swan Ira, you can always hit me up on Twitter or the orange
1:02
peel app, but no more delay. I want to bring up our guest
1:05
Alejandro. Thank you so much for coming on
1:07
the show today, and I combined, I sincerely apologize for not
1:11
being able to pronounce your last name.
1:13
So if you don't mind, how do you say it?
1:17
My last name is from who slander and Belgium and it is pronounced
1:23
most current most hunt. Okay.
1:26
Interesting. Interesting.
1:27
Very interesting. Well, thank you so much for
1:30
coming on the show today. El Salvador has been on the news
1:33
a lot, hasn't it? So could you tell everybody what
1:38
your role is? So, you're the National Security
1:41
advisor. You know what, what does that
1:43
entail? Oh, it's the same role as the
1:46
National Security advisor of the United States, but without the
1:50
United States budget. So yeah, it's kind of difficult.
1:56
At the beginning, it was an impossible thing to do to get
2:01
rid of of organized crime and terrorist organizations.
2:08
So, mainly I'm a an advisor to the president And what is it and
2:15
what is it that you know what? Again because a lot of people
2:20
are not familiar with that, right?
2:21
So like what are the responsibilities of the national
2:24
of a national security advisor? Some things cannot be said on
2:31
are the things that you can say, well 01.
2:36
Find the best response to the actual situation to tackle
2:43
organized crime organization. And there's another rule that we
2:49
don't have that problem to have a knowledge of foreign and
2:56
foreign foreign actors that want to do damage to a country.
3:03
Yeah. And there's definitely plenty of
3:04
those lately, right? You we have the Legacy corporate
3:08
media propaganda media, you know, trying to go out trying to
3:12
tarnish the name of El Salvador, trying to tarnish the, the
3:15
Bitcoin law. Also you had a recent law or
3:20
some senators in the United States.
3:22
You know, are trying to pass a law in Congress, that would be
3:25
investigating El Salvador's Bitcoin adoption.
3:28
Clearly the fact that El Salvador adopted Bitcoin or
3:33
Bitcoin legal tender is is definitely spooking.
3:36
A lot of people specifically, you know, the political class,
3:40
the elite political cost at least in the United States that
3:43
get a tremendous amount of power from being able to create money
3:47
for free that everyone else has to work for and not to mention,
3:50
not to mention, also weaponizing that currency, you know, through
3:55
sanctions, right? And also using the IMF for
3:58
political for political means as well, right?
4:01
So are those Are those all things that are on your radar?
4:05
Media is not on my radar sanctions by IMF and other
4:12
agencies. Yes.
4:15
But is one of the reasons that if Queen was adopted?
4:21
In every podcast that I've been invited to shows like this, I
4:27
orange, build up, calluses and 2018, but then, there was no
4:33
lightning Network. So we were being ghosted by Two
4:41
political parties we think could not receive funds.
4:45
So I came up with the idea. I've been in Bitcoin, since
4:49
2012. And I went to talk to one of the
4:53
president's brother landing and said we need Bitcoin.
4:57
So, I explained what was partying and bickering.
4:59
That's a long story, but when Bitcoin became legal tender
5:05
mainly, it was because money is u.s.
5:11
She is what niced. So in a in case of any followed
5:14
by IMF or any other big organizations, we had something
5:21
to bypass the Swift system and our GDP relies 30% on
5:30
remittances. So they could tackle us either
5:35
way VIA taking out of us out of the Swift system or Taxing the
5:42
hell out of the the remittance money in either way will be
5:47
would be greatly affected. So to me, leave at least that
5:54
was the proposal for Bitcoin. Yeah, and and let me ask you
5:59
something. This is very interesting, right?
6:01
Why was named bouquet lay open to bitcoin?
6:05
Why was he open to the idea of making Bitcoin legal tender?
6:08
Why did he jump on that? Well, he's a very smart guy.
6:14
He likes to Knology, so I'm really not in the president.
6:22
Said he saw the benefits of having Bitcoin has Goaltender.
6:28
Yeah. And what have those benefits
6:32
been so far? So Bitcoin has been legal tender
6:35
for about a year. In El Salvador, you I'm assuming
6:39
you're on the ground over there. What have you seen?
6:43
Well and September 7th 2281, Bitcoin law came into effect at
6:53
the beginning. It was a little bit chaotic
6:56
because we had to develop an app.
6:59
Oh, I'm not opposed to fill up in 90 days.
7:01
So there was no offer testing stress, testing or any kind of
7:05
testing. So when it was released, it was
7:10
hell, everyone wanted that those $30.
7:16
So people downloaded the app and in first four hours, we had four
7:25
million downloads. So, Seems like we lost
7:37
Alejandro. I'm assuming he'll be back in a
7:41
second. I'm going to bring up Opti in
7:45
the meantime. What's up Opti?
7:47
Well, huh. Interesting interesting place to
7:51
stop. It was just getting heated.
7:54
It was, it was just, it was just getting exciting.
7:57
Hopefully other hand rope. There we go.
7:59
He's back. He's back.
8:02
All right at 100. Could you hear us?
8:04
Yes. Okay.
8:05
Awesome. Seems like you dropped out for a
8:08
sec, but the last thing that you were mentioning was the the
8:13
effect about how everyone wanted the $30, that it was a little
8:17
bit difficult rolling out the the chivo App application in the
8:22
beginning. So yeah.
8:25
Yes everybody, everybody wanted those three daughters even if
8:28
they were not good Queen herself and then some people will with,
8:33
with malicious intent A cloning or national ID and they were
8:38
getting accounts with real National IDs for people that
8:44
didn't even lock to achieve and when they logged into G, will
8:47
they saw that their $30 were gone.
8:50
So we started an investigation and many of those were caught
8:57
and now are facing jail time for fraud.
9:02
And what big thing has done to our country is firstly, it has
9:09
given us a spotlight. And, secondly, well, people are
9:18
coming to us on Twitter and three years, 30 years back in
9:23
time I wouldn't have imagined people from the US Canada, New
9:30
Zealand, Australia, Netherlands, France, and many other countries
9:36
have come to this country. To get the residency.
9:39
It was he the other way around? So that is good.
9:44
But in order to have that ready for the people, security had to
9:50
be fixed because we didn't have the father, those people that
9:56
flow of people coming in, with their own security, we had Yeah,
10:02
and I want to, I want to talk about that.
10:04
So, and I think that's misunderstood, at least in the
10:07
u.s. So I'm, you know, I live in
10:10
Miami, I'm originally from Venezuela.
10:14
I've spent I've lived in Colombia lived, in Liverpool,
10:18
column in Cana. So I understand Central and
10:22
South America, whatever, so, um, channel.
10:25
So so do Panna, but I understand, but a lot of the The
10:32
narratives that we hear that the anti buchelli narratives
10:35
personally, as you know, someone who understands such a Central
10:40
and South America. I think what 9 bouquet is doing
10:44
is amazing. I think that, you know, he's
10:48
cleaned up crime. It's never been done before.
10:52
Most governments are just so corrupt.
10:56
You know, which have is to the Moodle did to Venezuela is just
10:59
a total atrocity. Not as I mention the murder rate
11:02
and you know, the capital flight, the brain drain, all of
11:05
that stuff. But again, that's my personal
11:07
opinion, some people are talking about, you know, the violation
11:12
of Human Rights. My opinion is why should gay
11:17
members that kill people? Have, you know, why is that a
11:20
priority off of people that are just peaceful and stuff like
11:24
that? So what would I guess my
11:26
question to you Alejandro is, how bad was it before?
11:30
The T, how bad was it in El Salvador?
11:34
How bad was the the situation on the ground?
11:36
In El Salvador. Before, nineteen bouquet Lee
11:39
started locking things down and we'll go from there.
11:44
Well, we had a murder rate, that was a hundred and six homicides
11:50
per capita. And now we have The murder rate
11:56
of 6.5% capita. So we have taken down that a
12:00
lot. We have tackled that and we have
12:04
victim where we come from being the most dangerous country in
12:09
the world, to becoming one of the safest in Latin America.
12:14
When we arrived at the government, there's an index
12:17
that vision of humanity provides is not an index that we manage.
12:22
Yeah, we do have a formula in order.
12:25
For us to to have that before it is posted by them.
12:31
So we can measure our numbers with theirs, and that's called
12:36
the economic cost of violence. And it's an index that is
12:40
compared to in percent to the GDP of the country.
12:44
Our country is really small. It's 20,000 kilometers squared
12:48
and with a GDP of 27 billion dollars, And when we got into
12:54
the government, the economic cost of violence index was 27%,
13:00
then we didn't have representation in the Congress.
13:04
So we didn't have any Loans for security, we needed to implement
13:11
lots of stuff at the beginning. What we were, we got police
13:17
force with three thirty year old guns.
13:21
That wouldn't even work. So the policeman was just having
13:26
the gun and that can Couldn't Shoot.
13:29
So we started from the bottom up, we modernized the police, we
13:36
gave them Six hours. I'm a bigot since our fan.
13:40
So six hours a day, what they got.
13:43
And secondly, our military was Puny military force.
13:53
In fact, If if if, if it wasn't going to be taken care of the
14:00
best thing that could happen, doneness to unlimited eliminate
14:03
the military force, and become like, Costa Rica.
14:06
But one of the things we wanted is to keep our sovereignty
14:13
sovereignty sovereignty sovereignty.
14:16
Yeah, yeah. So sorry.
14:18
Yeah. So, in order to have a we're not
14:21
attend, she that will invade other countries.
14:25
But we believe that in our self-determination and
14:28
self-defense so we needed to beef up the military force.
14:33
So from 1600, it was Taken to 40,000, but six.
14:43
Yeah, 40,000. And we had to give them a web
14:47
new weapons as well. New technologies, new tools for
14:51
fighting crime among the police force because in the past
14:58
governments to the, the military was just They're why I didn't
15:04
pass government's care about the crime?
15:08
Who is a big business, we had two primary, Darren's here a lot
15:15
daily schedule which is a Mexican guy created in Los
15:18
Angeles and we had we have the MS-13 created in Los Angeles by
15:25
a scurrilous and ex-military from Cellar to protect against
15:29
the A-Team inject in the Clinton era, those gangs and gang
15:34
members were being deported to our country.
15:38
So, they came here started organizing, and at that time, in
15:45
the 90s, we were being governed by the Republican Party called
15:48
Arena. And they saw that they could
15:53
benefit economically from hi. So, most of the people who were
15:57
in the government from Elena, they started Private security
16:03
firms and what? The state cannot Supply and the
16:07
private security firms dead but things got out of hand at that
16:14
time. In let's say 1995 you could
16:17
squash the gang members. In months.
16:23
So let they let that grow. And there was an accord when
16:30
publish Guevara Died. I think he committed suicide but
16:37
yeah Juan Pablos go out that dies.
16:40
The Mexican cartels get yeah. Can an agreement with the
16:46
Colombian cartels and say that they established that someone is
16:51
transporting drugs that they will not be paid in cash.
16:54
So they keep a percentage of what they're trafficking.
16:58
So Marcos here and another Latin American countries.
17:04
We have a disadvantage of being in the middle of South America
17:09
and North America, which is one of the biggest cocaine buyers So
17:18
we are like a bridge to get there.
17:23
So the narcos here says they cannot pay.
17:27
Let's say in half a kilo or ounces, they needed a structure
17:34
to do the Narco stuff too. So G song that use the gang
17:44
members so they gave The guy members money, and one of my
17:51
hypothesis. In my upcoming book is that
17:54
every organized crime organization or terrorist
17:57
organization is in size, equivalent to finances that they
18:03
manage. So If they have enough money,
18:11
they can expand like any company and they became an international
18:18
terrorist organization. And now they didn't need the
18:23
narcos. The other, they still did the
18:27
buildings for for citing ounces and all that they became
18:32
traffickers. Not only drug traffickers, but
18:36
human Vickers weapons traffickers and all other
18:41
illegal activities that you can imagine.
18:44
So we became really big and if you have an organization that
18:53
big, you need a lot of cash to to keep it up as an upkeep.
19:00
So in my hypothesis was if you go And tackle the funds.
19:06
They will at some point have to collapse for at least cut
19:12
spending and diminished in size. Yeah.
19:18
And, and and okay. So clearly there was a problem,
19:23
clearly the previous administrations of the previous
19:27
political parties. There's the left-wing party in
19:28
the right, bring party. I think you mentioned the
19:30
right-wing party which is Arena. Both of them regardless of who
19:35
was in power would actually be cooperating with the eart better
19:40
said, economically benefiting from The Gangs, what would be
19:44
the human toll on Society. Well, we had a civil war that
19:51
lasted twelve years from 1980 to 1990 1992.
19:56
Then the full piece of quartz came and the conflict.
20:00
We we lost 75 thousand lives and in the post era.
20:10
Has that doubled and in numbers? So we look at you're saying,
20:18
post the Civil War? The amount of deaths due to
20:22
gang, violence doubled. Yes, you had days which the
20:27
murder rate was 100% murders on a daily basis.
20:33
And who and where these gang on was this gang on gang violence
20:36
or with this spill into there was gang on gang violence but
20:41
mainly on citizens. So what would your response be
20:45
to a lot of these Western Publications that?
20:49
First of all, they're not Hispanic they don't live there,
20:52
not based in Central America, they're not based in Latin
20:54
America. But let's say these, you know,
20:57
Western people that you know to borrow from Alex, glad steans
21:02
Book benefit from Financial privilege and there you know,
21:06
opinion on this matter is you know, even though nine buchelli
21:12
could clearly has brought down the murder rate, clearly is
21:16
saving the lives of, you know, hundreds of people, if not
21:20
thousands of people, if not tens of thousands of people, what
21:23
would your response be to them? And there's also, you know, a
21:26
lot of the criticism is come from the Legacy corporate media
21:30
that is clearly on the side of Fiat.
21:32
Clearly, it's not on the side of Bitcoin.
21:35
What would be your response to them as a local as someone who
21:39
lives in El Salvador? Well finishing the economic cost
21:44
of violence issue in 2012. We we closed with the economic
21:51
cost of violence of 14% still unacceptable.
21:57
My goal is to take down that 26 percent.
22:01
Being that we took out 13% of of what the organized crime was
22:10
receiving in money. Those are 3.4 billion dollars
22:15
that now are going to the to the regular economy.
22:18
But the criminal Enterprise So in my hypothesis I was right.
22:24
If you tackle the funds, they will have to cut spending and
22:29
increase their size. Decreasing their size.
22:33
Also helps us. They fight among amongst each
22:36
other for leadership leadership. So sometimes they give up until
22:44
on their, on their own people to get the leadership.
22:48
And I don't work well. Okay, so clearly and then so and
22:57
I'm very curious about this, right?
22:59
So you mentioned, the economic cost of current of crime, right?
23:06
Could you default buttons economic cost of violence?
23:08
Could you define what that is for anyone?
23:10
Who's not familiar with that term.
23:12
Well, they could. I'm a cause of violence is what
23:15
crimes? And Violent crimes cost the
23:18
state and what the state is losing in money in Revenue so
23:26
you can go to vision of humanity dot-org and you can further
23:29
study the economic costs of violence.
23:31
Don't take it as face for as face value.
23:36
For what I say, you can research your own and see how we're doing
23:40
there and going back to when the Gang.
23:47
Members and organizations became big.
23:51
They had enough muscle to negotiate with the government.
23:57
So they sat with the government and they started truth.
24:01
So in that truth, they extorted the government.
24:06
So the government started paying them in order to reduce crime.
24:10
So there was like this valve, we let you kill 20 people on a
24:15
daily basis, don't know more than that, and that was not
24:19
acceptable, in my opinion. And I think mostly people will
24:23
coincide with what I'm saying. the other thing is, when the
24:29
government did not pay up, Like in GTA 5, they started on GTA 3.
24:38
We would that they did Rampage and they started killing
24:41
everyone that got in front in front of them.
24:43
So one of the record was a hundred and something people
24:51
being killed on the same day. You had public transportation
24:58
buses being burned down by the gang members with the whole
25:00
passengers inside being burned, alive.
25:07
And this. Okay.
25:09
And this was an I mean that's a very powerful statement right
25:14
there was buses being literally set on fire with people inside
25:20
alive, 100 people dying a day. Now, what a lot of people would
25:26
say, is you know, what, what, what was the cost of?
25:30
Reducing the violence, the cost of reducing the violence was was
25:36
Seeing power to the state. What would your response be to
25:39
that? Well, if you defend organized
25:41
crime, organized, terrorist organizations, you different
25:47
defund, the organization, the state will rise because it will
25:53
have more money taxing. And let's say we have a sales
26:01
tax as well. So if that goes up the other It
26:06
goes down. Yeah and so and then one of the
26:10
other concerns is basically that the rise of the power of the
26:15
state. If you know, if you look at
26:18
historical context, right could potentially be used on its own
26:22
citizens. That's a complicated matter.
26:30
I'm not not a big fan of the big state but in this case, it had
26:36
to be done because it was unbearable and you had migration
26:41
crisis and you have lots of people going to the state
26:45
illegally and mainly the that they didn't go by plane.
26:53
Some did they just got their visas?
26:55
And overstayed most one from on foot from Guatemala Guatemala.
27:02
Mexico to Seattle Waters or any other.
27:08
Frontier point that you had with the US and people that have got
27:14
great, they got killed, they got kidnapped, they get extortion.
27:22
So People were. Willing to go there in order to
27:32
escape this country. Yeah.
27:36
Okay, interesting. So and I want to focus on the
27:39
park that it needed to be done. Now I my personal opinion is I
27:45
completely agree with that. Most of most of you know
27:50
Colombia is a little bit safer. Nowadays, Vanessa event as well
27:53
as total shit. Show parts of Mexico specially
27:57
specifically the US Mexican border you know complete its
28:02
Anarchy. Basically it's run by gangs not
28:04
to mention. That's not a turkey, occur.
28:07
According to Murray rothbard Anarchy, is who didn't find it?
28:12
As that's chaos. That's not panarchy.
28:15
That's okay, each doing his own without bothering anyone.
28:22
It's chaos, and, you know, obviously what you guys did
28:29
their you stepped in, you were talking about it earlier, you
28:32
know, you funded the military, you funded.
28:35
The police forces that dramatically decrease crime, why
28:41
do you think all these International Publications were
28:44
so focused on El Salvador, while you know, there's basically
28:50
Basically, you know, the war is happening, Ukraine.
28:53
There's a lot more other violent countries in the world.
28:56
Why were they so hell-bent? On focusing on 9 bouquet Lee and
29:00
his administration and from your perspective?
29:04
Well, if you go to data and you see the officers involved
29:13
shooting in the US, It's a double standard that the u.s. is
29:19
questioning what we're doing. Because what has been done is
29:24
been fun, surgically with clothes and all because we have
29:29
declared a war on criminality and terrorism and we're not
29:37
showing the hell out of people. In some cases?
29:40
Yes, there's been an officer-involved shooting but
29:45
last year a different here. You have to wait upon upon being
29:50
fired to return fire. Not like the USA, But police
29:54
fires upon you and that then ask what you were doing.
29:59
So, we sadly, we have had some officers down and we have had
30:05
some Terrorist Town, but we have managed to Tackle about 69k gang
30:14
members? Are you say 69,000 gang members
30:19
have been arrested? Yes and Arkansas.
30:23
No, no, no. We're gonna rested rested.
30:26
Yeah, Kilda is less than 20. And officer is down lessen.
30:33
The pain still way. How were you able to round up
30:37
69,000 people without violence? Well, the money, the money that
30:42
you're talking about earlier, right?
30:44
Yeah. You have to take out the money
30:46
and intelligence here plays a really important part.
30:50
So in order to do this surgically and precise you need
30:57
intelligence, couldn't tell and you need God.
31:04
Tell more you about that but you get my point other things just
31:11
to come to have that clearing in case this podcast that gets to
31:16
HR W or else cats team, we're not waterboarding people.
31:21
We're not torturing people to get out and tell that is in my
31:26
opinion, that that's shitty Intel.
31:29
That's what people tell you, what you want to hear.
31:31
And that that's not real until There are other ways to get in
31:35
till and this is not get more, we don't have get more and if
31:41
the US wants these terrorism terrorists, we can gladly ship
31:46
them to get more if they want to.
31:48
That's not I wouldn't say that. For others.
31:52
It's better for the u.s. to have them.
31:54
Get one. Yeah, known.
31:57
And that thing of double standards, I completely agree.
32:02
I remember, you know, at least in the US, you had the you have
32:07
the current political front runner of the opposing party.
32:12
He was just indicted in New York City.
32:14
I do not see that happening in El Salvador and it's not being
32:19
talked about by the Legacy. Corporate media.
32:21
So there is this type of double standard.
32:26
And again, I think this the US has taken this, you know,
32:29
holier-than-thou stands for quite a while.
32:33
Now does that frustrate you at all?
32:35
I know that, you know, the the corporate media doesn't have as
32:39
much control as it once had, I think it's lost a tremendous
32:44
amount of its legitimacy, and I think it loses more of its
32:47
legitimacy every single day. But does that, is that something
32:52
from a national security perspective that you take into
32:56
account? Yeah, we take that into account
32:58
button, there's a this Canadian truck driver, you wrote that you
33:05
have DJ Victor. He is the man.
33:08
Yes, and he said mine. He said that the media is not
33:13
being paid for you to present news.
33:17
It is paid to shove a political agenda.
33:23
So you have to be careful with the media and you him.
33:27
Host narratives. Yes.
33:29
Definitely affect us because they, some of those media
33:33
Outlets still have credibility. Some are losing their, their,
33:39
their credibility. And that's one of them was CNN,
33:44
and all of you cannot be CNN and Fox News all the time.
33:51
You you need to do your own research, what they're telling
33:55
you because they will tell. You the opposite of everything.
33:59
So in between all those opposites, there lies the truth.
34:06
Yeah, and speaking of Fox, right?
34:09
You had the most popular broadcaster on Fox 3.5 Tucker
34:17
Carlson had nine bouquet late. Not only on Tucker Carlson
34:20
tonight but also on Tucker Carlson today and he was going
34:24
against a lot of those mainstream media narratives and
34:27
they fired him and what happened to the Carlson and they got rid
34:31
of him. They got rid of him and then
34:33
reminds me of an article that and I'm saying, boo.
34:35
Kelly wrote sir president named bouquet, they wrote for Bitcoin
34:38
magazine, drinking the Kool-Aid. Correct where he says that their
34:44
most important tool is their control, their most important
34:47
weapon is their control on truth, right?
34:50
But I think that the internet is slowly breaking that, I think
34:53
that their ability to control the narrative when people could
34:57
just go seek out there in their own information.
35:00
It's not the news world that our grandparents, our parents were
35:04
raised in You could pick up a phone, you can go to YouTube,
35:09
you can go to rumble. You can go to Noster.
35:10
You can go to Twitter. Yeah, but back then the agenda
35:13
was not that harsh like it is now.
35:18
Do you think? So, let me ask you something, is
35:20
it? Is it because is it?
35:22
Because the agenda wasn't so harsh?
35:23
Or is it because people were not aware, because I do remember in
35:26
2003, they sold the American public on Iraq hopping have been
35:31
having weapons of mass destruction.
35:34
And I saw a tweet by Jack Pacific and it was a very
35:36
powerful tweet. He said if social media existed
35:39
in 2003, the United States would not have gone to war with Iraq.
35:45
Sad thing there is that war? Is beneficial to countries like
35:53
the US with the military industrial complex and War.
35:58
Also serves a purpose of laundering money, and everything
36:04
is very fighting out there for you to enjoy your freedom.
36:09
And that's a big fat lie. It's a freaking lie, man.
36:12
That's a freaking. And does that?
36:14
Does that worry you, right? The, you know, the The
36:18
military-industrial complex, some people call it the Deep
36:21
State. I don't call the Deep State,
36:22
because it's it's right up in your grill.
36:24
These days, I called the administrative state that
36:27
benefits, tremendously from being, from the money printer
36:32
from the u.s. being able to issue its own currency, the u.s.
36:36
is allowed to deficit spend every year.
36:38
Then they divide and conquer the populace through the Democrat
36:42
Republican, culture, War, all of that stuff benefits.
36:45
The elites Obviously that system that is completely dependent on
36:53
the wealth, redistribution mechanism of inflation, right?
36:56
If this money printing is going to fight tooth and nail to be
37:02
able to maintain that privilege as if their life depended on it
37:06
because I think their life has dependent on it as the pain does
37:09
depend on it? We have RFK jr.
37:12
Whose father was arguably assassinated by the CIA now.
37:17
Second in the Democratic primary who is not even being allowed to
37:24
debate, you know, Joe Biden. So clearly you know the
37:30
administrative State, the Deep State, the military-industrial
37:32
complex clearly they're putting up a fight.
37:35
Clearly didn't want to tractors. This is why I took a Carlson was
37:38
like go right? This is why they don't want RF K
37:40
Jr. Debating Joe Biden.
37:43
You know you could say this don't want to get down that
37:46
rabbit hole but you could say this is Of the reasons why Trump
37:50
was indicted, right? I'm not a big jump fun but yeah
37:56
he was invited for that. I do admire Ron Paul and Rand
38:01
Paul. If you followed closely, the
38:10
Afghanistan war was over, then they shelters the covid
38:15
pandemic. And now we have the Ukraine war.
38:21
I don't. I don't agree with what Russia
38:25
is doing and Ukraine, but solinsky is a NATO puppet and
38:34
Those weapons are PS. Some of that weapons are ending
38:39
up in Latin America. Yeah, well that's good vomit.
38:44
Yeah. And so I guess I guess where I
38:49
was going with this, right? And I again a lot of these
38:52
topics that are just brought up. I understand that they are not
38:56
in, you know in you know it's political science term, the
39:01
concept, the Overton window. I understand that they could be
39:03
seen as radical conspiracy or whatever, whatever.
39:06
But just for the sake of this conversation, we know that the
39:08
military-industrial complex is real.
39:12
I forgot the present. It was Eisenhower that warned
39:15
about it in his farewell address Yes, we know it's real.
39:20
We know it benefits from the money.
39:23
Printer Assange was literally locked away.
39:27
You know, throw away the key or kind of exposing some of the,
39:31
some of the crimes that happened in the war in Iraq.
39:35
So we know of this, does that worry?
39:38
You that that system is going to fight.
39:41
They're going to fight like their life depends on it.
39:43
Does that worry you at all? No.
39:47
What worries me is the other? The printer going broke all the
39:51
time that kept sitting con purchasing power of the dollar
39:59
is designing each day. And not so many people get
40:04
Bitcoin because at some point here in this country jiwoo.
40:12
Yes, was it was a shitty product which The associated Bitcoin
40:18
with Gio. So Theta, Chico is Bitcoin and
40:21
Bitcoin achievable. And some of the opposition don't
40:25
like the queen, even if I think you'd show them the benefits
40:28
because it's a good idea. So there are misconceptions
40:35
here. Then that need to be fight foot.
40:39
Some what worries me when there's a war on a large scale,
40:46
like the one ukrainians boy, is that those weapons eventually,
40:51
we'll end up Latin America and if they get into Mexico, They
40:56
will get into our country and we been dismantling between five
41:01
and six illegal, encampments Terrorist encampments on a daily
41:08
basis and we have ceased C4, and homeroom remote controls to
41:16
detonate the C4 and some weapons that are not military issued by
41:22
us. Or daughter has one mile and
41:25
Nicaragua. And our brand new.
41:28
So when you see brand new weapons in the hands of
41:31
terrorists, that is art. Yeah.
41:36
And have they but they haven't used those weapons.
41:40
Those weapons of war really against the the populace yet.
41:46
There hasn't been any type of Revenge seeking from you know
41:49
these X gang leaders and gang members.
41:52
Oh Intel says they want revenge. but without money, like I said,
42:00
my I caught us Without money, it's kind of difficult.
42:06
What would you say to the, you know what some of the narratives
42:10
by whether it is in Europe, the European Central Bank?
42:14
It some some members of government here in the US the
42:18
financial action task force is unelected bureaucracy, basically
42:24
gets to dictate the world rules of Finance.
42:27
What would you say that Bitcoin? What would you say to them?
42:30
When they say Bitcoin is going to be used?
42:32
Used for terrorism or money laundering.
42:35
What would your response to that be?
42:38
Well, most of the money seized here. and I say, 99, Point 99
42:46
percent are greenbacks the u.s. dollars and the other percent
42:52
left have has been Heroes. Is not been Bitcoin, not even
42:58
more narrow. Why why?
43:02
Why don't they like why don't they like Bitcoin?
43:04
Why don't these criminal or why? Don't these terrorists, these
43:07
gang members these criminals, why don't they like Bitcoin?
43:09
Well I'll check in Bitcoin has lots of traceability and there
43:14
are super into very stupid not sophisticated and Let's say I
43:21
was. Not on this side, but on the
43:24
other side I would be advising. Yeah, let's move money through
43:28
lightning Network, definitely, that's the point join.
43:33
And let's do whatever it's needed to make it untraceable.
43:40
But they don't think that way. They like, having like Colette
43:43
has, you know, what color that means.
43:46
So they have their stash the money and in houses, or in
43:52
barrels. in their backyard and We have not seized any hardware
44:01
wallet or any phone with wallet of Satoshi.
44:07
So so they like US dollars. But, you know, clearly, you
44:11
know, they're not sophisticated, you know, Kermit they're not
44:13
sophisticated enough to really understand this.
44:16
Do you think that they will ever reach a day where, you know,
44:19
they start to understand? They're like, oh, you know what?
44:22
This this Bitcoin thing writing down. 24 words is a lot easier
44:26
than having a whole barrel full of cash.
44:28
Do you think that day will ever arrive?
44:31
Well, there was no small enemy so you cannot Belittle any
44:39
organization, maybe they can change their modus operandi at
44:44
some point then go Bitcoin. But what I've seen so far and
44:50
since Pablo Escobar and before Pablo Escobar Marco's on
44:54
organized crime, like Having their USDA even if they have to
44:59
take them out of the barrels and dry them out in the sun, you
45:03
know? Yeah, I mean, it's still said
45:05
that in Colombia there still barrels, buried under the ground
45:09
with Millions upon millions of dollars, and no one has found
45:12
yet. Yes.
45:14
So anyways very, very interesting conversation.
45:18
So name O'Kelly's election is coming up 2024 coincidentally
45:23
the year of the Bitcoin having from a national security
45:27
standpoint? I think that without without
45:31
being specific on any countries, there was there would be a lot
45:36
of countries that would benefit from nine buchelli being
45:39
defeated in an election. And I'm sure that the opposing
45:42
parties are being Propped up by those said countries that would
45:46
benefit and enable Kelly defeat what are you guys doing to deal
45:52
with that as much as that you get as much as you can say?
45:56
I plead the fifth on that, we plead the fifth on that let, but
45:59
let me ask you this then, is that happening or my dreaming of
46:03
things? It's a scenario possible
46:07
scenario. It's a possible scenario, close
46:10
a good enough answer. The thing is in the past when I
46:17
started exposing corruption and getting the gang truce My head
46:24
had a price on it, so I had many attempts on my life.
46:30
Sadly, one of them, I was shot in the leg and in the thigh and
46:38
the bullet ripped through the femur and That that day if I
46:45
didn't defend myself, I would have been killed.
46:48
So that was sort of a little back then and they realized that
46:53
I was not that easy to kill so they started offering me.
46:56
So they want to me in jail at all costs, so clearing the path
47:02
for that. People can a project was not
47:05
that easy. yeah, I can imagine and I think and still if need be
47:15
we have to protect the president. and if I have to,
47:20
Take my life, I would. Yeah, I think, you know, why is
47:29
it so difficult for some people in the west to understand that
47:35
politics and life, in general is extremely different in Central
47:40
and South America? Why do you think why do you
47:42
believe it's? Why do you believe there's a
47:44
disconnect there? All of it.
47:47
Like I said that there's this double standard more Americans
47:52
get killed in an officer involved.
47:53
Shootings that when were regular crime and they want us to
47:59
implement their textbook solution, we did that and did
48:04
not work. So right now we're implementing
48:06
our own and and when I go back to that, write the textbook
48:11
solution did not work, of course, it did not work.
48:13
It's they what happened when the US and exported its democracy to
48:18
Iraq. What happened?
48:19
When the u.s. exported its Proceed to Afghanistan.
48:22
Those are very dangerous things that I just said, what happened
48:25
in those two situations in the Middle East and Asia.
48:28
That's different because Iran had their shop.
48:35
They got got wiped out and then they became a ruled by Sharia
48:42
law and Afghanistan. Yes, they have Sharia law but
48:46
likes the a flat, the Afghan system would love Saudi Arabia
48:49
and Qatar Sorry and Dubai system is stopped at different.
48:54
They rely on tribes on a tribal system.
48:57
So bringing supporting democracy to a tribal system, is a new
49:03
thing to them democracy applies. Mainly on the Western Hemisphere
49:09
and when the u.s. tried to help us and impose our constitution,
49:15
our constitution is u.s. made and it was imposed to us in And
49:22
then the, the Washington consensus and other things that
49:27
they impose, the most did not work.
49:30
So all the textbook solution that we have been handed down
49:34
and been strong-armed to impose, have not work.
49:43
So now we're doing our own solution and I cannot tell you,
49:48
it has passed the time test. In order to say, yeah, that was
49:54
the solution. But in the short-term and
49:56
medium-term, this has worked for us.
50:00
Yeah. And then and you can see the
50:02
data that this has been working. Yeah.
50:05
Don't the the data speaks for itself and the alternative.
50:13
Right. You know, the the alternative
50:16
u.s. model that you said was imposed on the country of El
50:18
Salvador. Was the, what would the results
50:24
of that was 100 people being murdered per day, right?
50:28
And this is 106 homicides per capita.
50:33
Isn't it interesting that the media wasn't talking about El
50:36
Salvador when that was happening?
50:38
No, not at all, at some point. It, I don't know if it benefited
50:43
the u.s. when a lot of illegal immigrants started going to the
50:47
US, which the to me an illegal immigrant is Cheap work.
50:53
So I don't know what that benefit of them would that even
50:58
if they oppose illegal aliens and all and all that be it yet.
51:03
They rely on illegal alien work to pick up cabbages and
51:10
vegetables and all that and even doing handyman, work and
51:14
construction and Nanny work and cleaning work.
51:19
Yeah. Yeah.
51:21
No, but of course you could say the the multinational
51:25
corporations they benefit from illegal immigration
51:28
tremendously. Well, news Outlet here benefited
51:32
from homicides, it is not the same as posting or publishing on
51:37
a newspaper. A hundred dead 100 homicides
51:42
yesterday and posting 5, Accident car accident, causes
51:51
five people injured. But that's not the same doesn't
51:58
rank as 100 homicides at. We are now in a boring country
52:02
where more people die in car accidents than my homicides.
52:08
Yeah, you know, it's it's insane.
52:11
I just, you know, I find it interesting where you have two
52:19
solutions of which none are perfect, right?
52:23
One solution was leading to, you know, 100 100 deaths a day,
52:29
right? And the other solution is you
52:33
know, locking up violent criminals.
52:38
Getting them off the streets. And then obviously the net
52:42
positive of that is drastically reduced reduced but there are
52:46
people that said, what are you? What are you guys doing?
52:49
In order to reform these people? And we're not what I meant of
52:54
you do that? And been asked, that question.
52:57
I tell him that's not my problem.
52:59
That's another one. Another person's problem.
53:02
My problem is tackle them down, destroy them.
53:05
I've killed them. Destroy their Destroyed their
53:09
they recorded their corporations or organizations.
53:16
And in the past you can see the news not so long ago, a group of
53:23
gang members, they film themselves with their cell phone
53:28
chopping up 11 people, so in my mind, happy new rehabilitate
53:36
that Two and you've said, two things in this podcast and they
53:42
are sticking with me because their horrific right.
53:46
Well this is being set on fire with people inside alive and
53:51
gang members chopping up people and posting it online and
53:55
posting it online. So that's one alternative,
53:59
right. Alternative number two, is the
54:01
Crackdown and anyone that says that it could be a different
54:06
that it could, you know, go a different direction.
54:08
Action my response to that is you're not from there.
54:13
You're not from South America, you're not from Central America
54:16
things. Don't work over there the way
54:18
they work in the US, right? But that's my opinion.
54:23
What would you what would your opinion beyond that matter?
54:26
If someone said there could be another way.
54:30
I would say each country, I must have their own way.
54:34
Let them, let them try out and not impose textbook solution
54:38
because the the same textbook solution will not work.
54:41
For Mexico will not work for what the male will not work for
54:45
other Central American countries.
54:48
Each solution has to be tailor-made.
54:52
Yeah, so I want to use the the last five minutes or so to talk
54:56
about Bitcoin and in the Bitcoin standard.
55:01
Do you believe and you've been in Bitcoin since 2012?
55:05
I'm class of 2016. I can tell what adopting, a
55:08
Bitcoin standard has done to my life.
55:10
Personally, opt he's in the background, you know, I know
55:14
what it's done to him. Personally, you know, of course,
55:17
I try to get my family members in it as well and, you know,
55:21
it's Amazing. What happens when you start
55:25
living on a money that is deflationary rather than
55:27
inflationary, right? All of a sudden, you have hope
55:29
for a future. Do you believe that El Salvador,
55:33
adopting a Bitcoin standard has has caused?
55:38
Some of the benefits has has inspired.
55:41
Some people has inspired some people with optimism the way
55:46
that they wouldn't have. Or is this only do 29 bouquet
55:51
lie. His efforts on cracking down on
55:54
crime. There's the put the Bitcoin,
55:56
play a role in any of this. Yes and no and security.
56:02
I'm a big coup Maxie. I can tell you in security
56:04
hasn't played any role in giving us a spotlight and a place in
56:11
the world. Yes, has done.
56:15
Many people have come here because of the PTC law and
56:20
everyone is welcome here except the ones with the over agenda.
56:24
You can keep keep them. It is too early to say the
56:35
benefits of adopting, the BTC standard as a nation-state.
56:41
In a personal level you can see that more clearly or faster than
56:48
than a nation-state adopting Bitcoin.
56:51
I would say, give us ten years and Let's see how how it goes.
56:58
What about adoption on the ground with with individuals?
57:02
Are you seeing that you know because those another counter to
57:06
counter point, right? Which is you know it's there's
57:08
not really that much adoption there.
57:10
Well what would your response to that?
57:13
Be well there have been projects.
57:15
Like the one with the law has. I don't know if you're familiar
57:18
with with the lawyers of course, it could be chilly change the
57:21
name to Blink wallet and you have a medium, a Bitcoin.
57:25
Which is my first Bitcoin, which is a NGO that teaches people
57:28
between. So what started in the sun today
57:32
as Bitcoin beach, now you have that as Bitcoin jungle, you have
57:37
Bitcoin acasi in Africa, you have Bitcoin Brazil, another,
57:40
and even in Philippines. You have worked.
57:44
Hello started innocently. So Sparks are are flying over to
57:51
other countries and starting wildfires other things that are
57:56
that we're about 10 days into the presidential and
58:01
municipality and Congressman election in Guatemala.
58:05
And many of them have visited us want to show off how well salary
58:12
is safe. And that you can go to to the
58:14
downtown where it was really dangerous back then.
58:17
And to see Having he's having a great time there and others have
58:21
contacted me regarding security and Bitcoin.
58:26
So about two weeks ago, I had a committee of Congress men here
58:29
that are that are already in Congress and and are being
58:34
re-elected and they want to study the PTC legal tender
58:39
offer. And for me, that's great.
58:41
I do that for free. I want it going to succeed.
58:46
So I was Speaking to them and piano Cohen who is the owner of
58:52
Ibex Mercado, he had come up with a solution called all small
58:55
wallet, and has integration with the banks and all that and I'm
58:58
taking the discouragement. You have the product we wanted
59:02
before. BTC legal tender.
59:04
All you need is declare or legalize PTC as legal tender.
59:12
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
59:14
Well Alejandro, I know your time is valuable.
59:18
You are You're doing some inspiring work down in El
59:22
Salvador, I know that, you know, some bitcoiners in the community
59:28
are you know they have some opinions on that.
59:31
But as someone from Latin America I think what you guys
59:38
did needed to be done. I don't think there's another
59:40
way to do it. I'm just a Sprocket in the big
59:46
in a big machinery. Yeah yeah.
59:48
Yeah, so what you guys are doing is incredible.
59:50
What name? Bouquet Lee and his
59:52
administration is doing is incredible.
59:55
I am very, very hopeful. I see El Salvador is a shining
59:58
lights of Hope in this clown world that we're living through
1:00:02
right now. You should see what's a set way.
1:00:05
Is Jax is asking let's push. Okay let's pull it up.
1:00:11
Please ask if cannabis legalization is possible there
1:00:15
like in Costa Rica's Bitcoin jungle well, since 2015, I've
1:00:22
been taking down taking that to Congress and I've been thrown to
1:00:28
the rubbish bin every time I was proposing that and then for
1:00:33
security reasons, I propose that to the president because like
1:00:36
Pepe Mujica he said Legalizing marijuana is.
1:00:45
Is not that good but losing people to Narco it's worse.
1:00:51
So definitely the Pepe Mujica solution that the state is the
1:00:57
sole seller of marijuana. That was my proposal but got
1:01:04
told to the rubbish bin so I'll keep trying, amen.
1:01:08
At least there's someone in government that is that is on
1:01:13
your it is on your side. Is that wise anyways Alejandro.
1:01:17
It's it's been an honor. Thank you so much for joining us
1:01:20
today on simply before you very much and a big shout-out to
1:01:24
extend months. He's about Dorian who's watching
1:01:26
us and all set since this podcast is sponsored by Swan a
1:01:35
big shout-out to code Eclipse thing.
1:01:39
He's a great guy and a big shout out to Ray Yusuf.
1:01:44
He didn't commit into shit coining and we need people like
1:01:51
Curry and Ray and we need to clean up the world of shit
1:01:56
corners. And like I said, she'd corners
1:01:59
and voltage. And the people here are not,
1:02:01
welcome. Amen.
1:02:03
To that. And I handled thank you so much
1:02:05
guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
1:02:07
to another episode. Go ahead, go ahead.
1:02:10
Another sign up for Nicky and James.
1:02:12
There we go. They friends of mine from New
1:02:14
Zealand. They came here without knowing
1:02:17
the country. They sold their stuff.
1:02:20
In New Zealand came here. Didn't know nothing about
1:02:23
Spanish now. They speak Spanish and they are
1:02:26
great persons. Yeah no I think I think you guys
1:02:32
should definitely come on the show Alejandro.
1:02:34
When I go to El Salvador I would love to to meet with.
1:02:37
You have a beer with you, man. Thank you so much.
1:02:40
I'll hit you up on Twitter, we Opti and I we have this joke and
1:02:44
I love to tell you about it. We're like we're going to try to
1:02:47
hold it down in the US. But if all, if all else fails
1:02:50
here, simply Bitcoin is moving till Salvador, right?
1:02:55
The land, the land of actual freedom.
1:02:57
I hope it's not a little bit. Silicon Valley of Bitcoin off
1:03:03
these pulling. I'm pulling it up.
1:03:04
Simplemente, exactly. Exactly.
1:03:11
All right. All right.
1:03:12
I'll handle. Thank you so much guys.
1:03:14
Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of a
1:03:17
landowner. Hang out.
1:03:17
Hang out in the back. I want to talk to you for a sec,
1:03:20
guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
1:03:21
to another episode of Simply Bitcoin IRL.
1:03:26
Absolutely love this conversation with Alejandro You
1:03:29
guys like to show you know to do smash that like button, consider
1:03:31
subscribing, if you feel like we've provided you value and
1:03:34
we'll see you tomorrow on the live show, 12:15 p.m.
1:03:37
Eastern Standard Time for another episode of Simply the
1:03:40
coin live.