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DELAYED BUT NOT DENIED host LATONYA MICHELLE LITTLEJOHN & DEE DEE SITTING DOWN WITH A NEEDED CONVERSATION WITH "DR.C" MENTAL HEALTH IS REAL! · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: That's the time that we should be seeking that kind
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  Speaker 1: of help and assistance.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I know that there's never, like really a right
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  Speaker 2: time or wrong time. Rather to seek help, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people like to keep things shut in, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: the old saying is what goes on in this house
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  Speaker 2: stays in this house. And when you cover up stuff,
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  Speaker 2: it can't heal. So at some point you have to
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  Speaker 2: rip the band age off and seek the healing that
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  Speaker 2: you need. I have recently sought you as a therapist,
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  Speaker 2: but then I've also gone farther to see a psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to do that because I'm adopted and I
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  Speaker 2: found my biological family in twenty ten. They still call
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  Speaker 2: me by my birth given name and my family that
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  Speaker 2: I was raised with they called me Latanya. So telling
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  Speaker 2: the therapists all of this, the psychiatrists all of this,
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  Speaker 2: and answering her ABC questions and multiple choice questions, she
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  Speaker 2: told me that I have ADHD for one, and also
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  Speaker 2: borderline personality disorder. And I laughed because I shared that
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  Speaker 2: with DD and I also shared that with Trevita, and
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  Speaker 2: they're both like, yeah, I can see that. And I
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  Speaker 2: never understood why they could see that until you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was able to step back and look at me
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  Speaker 2: trying to be the person that pleases everybody, so to speak,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't do that, you know, because I'm abandoning myself.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense, yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: So my questions are, what would you say to somebody
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  Speaker 2: that has that particular diagnosis? How could you help them?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we beat much longer on this broadcast. Merely
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  Speaker 1: answered that question because you know, therapy is like peeling
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  Speaker 1: back an onion. So I remember watching like older movies
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  Speaker 1: where you see the therapists and somebody come in the
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  Speaker 1: office and laying on their couch tell and the therapist
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  Speaker 1: might would start out saying, like, tell me about your
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  Speaker 1: mother right now, Glad, we don't have people laying on
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  Speaker 1: our coultues anymore. We don't practice therapy like that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we call a little bit old school. But
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  Speaker 1: certainly when you see people, you do want them to
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  Speaker 1: be comfortable. So ambibling about laying on couches and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. So I thought i'd throw that in. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about ADHD attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,
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  Speaker 1: because adad D is attention deficit disorder. But when you
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  Speaker 1: have the h in. Now that's hyperactivity disorder. So in
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  Speaker 1: Layman's terms, that's kind of like a person who can't
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  Speaker 1: really be still, you know, they really hyper, they can't
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  Speaker 1: be still. I work with twenty five children in the
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  Speaker 1: public school system. Out of those twenty five, at least
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  Speaker 1: twenty three of them have one of their diagnoses. Because
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  Speaker 1: some people sometimes have duo diagnosis such as what you describe.
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  Speaker 1: They have ADHD. They can't sit still, they can't they
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  Speaker 1: can't focus. They have a pro when people who have
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  Speaker 1: ADHD have issues being able to focus and hone in
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  Speaker 1: on things. Here's the good news about ADHD. So there
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  Speaker 1: are psychotropic meds forum. One of the older ones is RIDDLING,
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  Speaker 1: I think that most people are familiar with, but they
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  Speaker 1: don't really use anymore. There are others, but now I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you, because I'm not a psychologist but a therapist,
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  Speaker 1: I don't prescribe meds, though I am asked to sit
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  Speaker 1: in and I'm asked to give my suggestions as to
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  Speaker 1: what kind of medicine people should be taking. I am
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  Speaker 1: not a big advocate of psychotropic meds, but I'm also
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  Speaker 1: not a person that's going to say you don't need
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  Speaker 1: men's I lead that clearly up to my client, but
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  Speaker 1: I will educate my client about what kinds of medication
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  Speaker 1: are you taking because they do. ADHD happens to be
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  Speaker 1: one of those mental health disorders that can be managed
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  Speaker 1: with good diet, with exercise, with doing some other holistic
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  Speaker 1: things other than taking psychotropic ments. But there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 1: with it if you do. Personality disorder. Okay, So that's
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  Speaker 1: another mental health disorder that sometimes you don't really get
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  Speaker 1: to see that one manifest until you get like preteens,
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  Speaker 1: somewhat kind of like in preteen, you start not like
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  Speaker 1: with kids, you start noticing personality disorder. They may change
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  Speaker 1: their clothes a lot, you know, something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: so I seeing you smile, you probably might be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit familiar with that. The tricky thing about personality
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  Speaker 1: disorder is that, you know, because of hormonal imbalances, some
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  Speaker 1: that can it can look like it looks like you
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  Speaker 1: have a disorder, but it could be a you know,
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  Speaker 1: hormonies of being in balance. So you know, I've worked
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  Speaker 1: with a great majority of my clients come from foster
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  Speaker 1: care and or they've been adopted, and so it's really
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  Speaker 1: hard sometimes or challenging I would say for persons that
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  Speaker 1: come from those kinds of home environment to establish what
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  Speaker 1: exactly is their personality type, because they spend a great
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  Speaker 1: deal of their lives trying to adapt to other people
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  Speaker 1: because of the rejection factor. So if I'm doing therapy
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  Speaker 1: with a person that has personality disorder, we want to
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  Speaker 1: try to help that person person to really hone in
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  Speaker 1: there on their authentic personality and finding out what exactly
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  Speaker 1: it is that dealing with the rejection. Of course, of
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  Speaker 1: being in foster care or being adopted, there are abandonment issues,
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  Speaker 1: and so when we deal with those kinds of things,
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  Speaker 1: it will in fact help when it comes to personality disorder.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just kind of the short answer I'm giving you,
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  Speaker 1: but it's kind of where we where we would need
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  Speaker 1: to start. It is peeling back the layers so we
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  Speaker 1: can hone in on what is your authentic personality, who
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  Speaker 1: exactly are you? And then being able to accept the
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  Speaker 1: person that God made you, and so you can accept
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  Speaker 1: yourself and knowing that other people will accept you to
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  Speaker 1: and not everybody's going to accept you, but surrounding yourself
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  Speaker 1: with those people who accept you and love you for
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  Speaker 1: the authoruthentic person that God has made you.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you why do you think it's so hard
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  Speaker 2: for African American males and females to seek help.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question, and again that's one of those
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  Speaker 1: that's one of those topics that I love, I particularly
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  Speaker 1: love to talk about. When I'm asked to come and
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  Speaker 1: speak in public, I'm gonna usually asked to speak about
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  Speaker 1: mental health and the African American community. So let me
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  Speaker 1: try to keep my answer short because that's when I
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  Speaker 1: start getting on my soapbox when it comes to African
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  Speaker 1: Americans and mental mental health. So you can't talk about
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  Speaker 1: Black people and not talk about our experience with the
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  Speaker 1: mental health. It's impossible to do so because, uh, people
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  Speaker 1: who have been traumatized or a person and let's say
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  Speaker 1: a person who has been traumatized rape, molestation, physical emotional abuse,
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  Speaker 1: it is going to affect their psychology. So when we
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  Speaker 1: talk about us and we talk about the diaspora of
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  Speaker 1: the of the African right, we got we got to
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  Speaker 1: multiply what would be the traumatic experience of one person.
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  Speaker 1: We now got to multiply that time's over four hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty some years. That's a lot of that's a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of trauma. Right, We've got to think about
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  Speaker 1: a group of people who've been traumatized in multiple ways,
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  Speaker 1: having experienced that amount of trauma. Even in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: we're still working that out. But to short answer to
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  Speaker 1: your question, our experience as a culture, we knew that
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  Speaker 1: talking about how you felt meant death. Short, that it
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  Speaker 1: meant death. So we it's something called learned behaviors. So
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  Speaker 1: we learned not to talk about That's how we still
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  Speaker 1: do it in twenty twenty five. We learned not to
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  Speaker 1: talk about those kinds of taboo subjects, not to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how you feel. First of all, because nobody cared
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  Speaker 1: about how you feel felt, God cared about it, especially
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  Speaker 1: especially for the black woman, who cares about how you feel. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: when you've been a culture of people that has been
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  Speaker 1: trained from your great grandmother, your your great grandmother passed
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  Speaker 1: that behavior down to her to her daughter, and so
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  Speaker 1: on and so on, then you get a group of
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  Speaker 1: people who have learned you who have learned to not
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  Speaker 1: feel safe talk talking about their emotions. Okay, because we
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  Speaker 1: have a history that if we talk about what's really
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  Speaker 1: bothering us, we're gonna get in trouble. So this is
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  Speaker 1: where we still have those learned behaviors of not feeling
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  Speaker 1: safe when we start talking about sensitive subjects, start talking
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  Speaker 1: about how I've been traumatized because some trauma especially for women,
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  Speaker 1: but now boys two, okay, happens within your family unit.
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  Speaker 1: Well's things like that. So this is where we get
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  Speaker 1: the saying and I believe you started out the show
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  Speaker 1: talking about that what goes on in this house stays
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  Speaker 1: where in this house because we learn to not talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Black people are infamous for just covering up stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But we have found, thank god, that we have found
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  Speaker 1: out that that has really not worked for us, because
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  Speaker 1: all we have done as a people is internalized trauma.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the kind of a basic answer Latanya, as
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  Speaker 1: to why we don't talk about things that have to
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  Speaker 1: do with our mental health. We don't talk about traumatic
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  Speaker 1: experiences and so forth. And then years and years ago,
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  Speaker 1: not that long ago, I would add, I'm talking maybe
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  Speaker 1: even not twenty years ago. There weren't many people who
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  Speaker 1: looked like me who were practicing therapy, so if you
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  Speaker 1: did find yourself with a therapist, it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be from the other culture. So now we have to
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  Speaker 1: ask the question, how many black folks was gonna feel
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  Speaker 1: comfortable sitting and telling a Caucasian person about their trauma. Well,
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  Speaker 1: our history says no, I'm gonna feel safe telling you
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  Speaker 1: about our trauma. So thank god that now in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, we have more people who who look like
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  Speaker 1: me who are practicing therapy. Thank God for that. And
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  Speaker 1: that offers a level of cultural cognitive competency, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: So that makes people feel a little safe to say
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to someone who looks like me. And people
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  Speaker 1: are embracing mental health more. Now, we still need a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of work in that area, but that's one
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  Speaker 1: reason why as a culture that we don't really dive
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  Speaker 1: into mental health and wellness. Also, if there's a financial disparity,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes people can't afford it, depending upon if you live
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  Speaker 1: in some rural areas, you don't have access to it.
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  Speaker 1: So some of our social disparities as a people and
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  Speaker 1: as a community kind of hinders us or serve as
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  Speaker 1: roadblocks as to why we don't engage in mental health
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  Speaker 1: and wellness a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I got a question, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: My question is this, do you believe that the stigma
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  Speaker 4: is still there. I know growing up back in the
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  Speaker 4: day was like if you went to a psychiatrists regulate
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  Speaker 4: beings you crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Is do you believe that stigma is still here today?
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  Speaker 4: Or are we more open now to not feeling like
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  Speaker 4: crazy but in the need of having some help.
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  Speaker 1: I think that your question is very valuable ms d D.
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  Speaker 1: And to answer your question, yes, I think the stigma
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  Speaker 1: is still there. This is why it is very important
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  Speaker 1: that we do what we're doing tonight, that we're having
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  Speaker 1: the necessary conversation because the more that we don't talk
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  Speaker 1: about these things, then the more ambivalent people are about disclosing. So,
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  Speaker 1: as a practitioner, what I hope to do and other
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  Speaker 1: practitioners such as myself, we want to have more conversations
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  Speaker 1: like this. In your family. You should have conversations about
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  Speaker 1: mental health and wellness, in your community, if you're over
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  Speaker 1: a woman's group, whatever sphere of influence that you have,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a manager of four to ten employees or
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  Speaker 1: what have you. If you're the CEO of a big
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  Speaker 1: corporation and you have employees, you need to have that
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  Speaker 1: conversation because in having the conversations, we begin to normalize
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  Speaker 1: mental health and well wellness. It becomes a normal thing
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  Speaker 1: for us to talk about anxiety and to talk about
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  Speaker 1: suicidal ideation. So we have to have the conversations in
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  Speaker 1: order to normalize the things that are not normal, but
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  Speaker 1: to normalize it so that we can all begin to
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  Speaker 1: feel a bit more comfortable about doing it. Because ms
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  Speaker 1: d D, for example, right, because I heard early on,
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  Speaker 1: but I just happened to know that you all and
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  Speaker 1: maybe some of the people that are listening to us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Typically in the Christian community, right, you call your sister
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  Speaker 1: on the phone, Hey, sisters, sister d D, how you doing.
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  Speaker 1: What is our typical answer we're gonna say, and what's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm good, I'm blessed, I'm highly faded of
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  Speaker 1: the Lord God is still blessing me. So I have
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  Speaker 1: something that I developed in my women's community where number one,
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  Speaker 1: I periodically tell women, check on your strong system. Check
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  Speaker 1: strong sister, because she's probably the one that needs it.
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  Speaker 1: And so I usually encourage women, you have two sisters
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  Speaker 1: in your life, check on that sister. Just ask them
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  Speaker 1: how are you feeling? And and and ask them how
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling? For real, we don't we don't want
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  Speaker 1: the King James version, because we already know we've been
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  Speaker 1: you've been to practice that, uh, and we're still covering
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  Speaker 1: stuff up. Since how are you feeling? For real? I
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  Speaker 1: just want you to know if you need to talk,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here. This is a safe space for you if
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  Speaker 1: you need to talk. So we need to do things
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  Speaker 1: like that, so we again ms D, we can destigmatize
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  Speaker 1: what we have thought or the ideology of mental health
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  Speaker 1: and wellness. And no, it does not mean that you're
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  Speaker 1: crazy because it's okay to not be okay. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 1: okay to not be okay. What's not okay is to
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  Speaker 1: not get help. That's not okay. But it's okay to
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  Speaker 1: not be okay. All of us at some point in
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  Speaker 1: our life we're not gonna be okay. It's okay. It's
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  Speaker 1: okay to not be okay. That's everybody. There's nobody's exempt
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  Speaker 1: from that. Even the therapist needs therapy sometimes. So ready
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  Speaker 1: to not be okay, we.
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  Speaker 4: Hear that we're gonna need that, we're gonna need that support.
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  Speaker 4: That's from the lean on. So I like that with
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  Speaker 4: sparse because I would. I grew up being the strong person.
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  Speaker 4: So when my family found out through the podcast that
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  Speaker 4: I was suicide or growing up and a cutter is
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  Speaker 4: shocked us.
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  Speaker 3: M hm, Why because I was the straw.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally get it. Just just so, just so
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  Speaker 1: we know, for the purpose of psycho education, cutting or
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  Speaker 1: what we call self mutilization is very prevalent. I have
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  Speaker 1: several clients who have engaged in cutting or self mutilization,
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  Speaker 1: and it's typically girls. It's typically girls that do that
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  Speaker 1: self cut and and with self cutting, it is a
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  Speaker 1: very secret and private thing when you when you do,
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  Speaker 1: when you're when you're a cutter as we call them,
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  Speaker 1: a person could be cutting for months and months, years
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  Speaker 1: and years and you never ever know it. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why moms, you need to check on your girls, to
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  Speaker 1: help them roll up their sleeves and check on them
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  Speaker 1: because you will notice that that girls that are cutters,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna wear long sleeves even in the summertime. See,
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  Speaker 1: that's not normal. And so check the check them out sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And because girls cut, because cutting gives you a euphoric feeling,
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  Speaker 1: gives you a kind of a rush. But what what
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  Speaker 1: we understand about it from a spiritual perspective is that
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  Speaker 1: that's a self esteem issue that you're harming yourself because
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  Speaker 1: you really don't like yourself, don't like this that you're in.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you feel like therapy is so high? A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people can They don't do it because they
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  Speaker 2: they can't afford it. Why it's something so simple, so
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  Speaker 2: so hard to obtain.
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  Speaker 1: Well, for a lot of reasons, because like I'm a therapist,
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  Speaker 1: A girl got to eat, right, But that's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's the typical answer. I mean, so sometimes therapy can
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  Speaker 1: be high because it depends. If you run an agency,
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  Speaker 1: you have a lot of overhead that you have to
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  Speaker 1: take care of. You may have staff, and so fees
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  Speaker 1: sometimes are dependent upon that. I myself practiced community therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Community therapy means I'm not getting the big bucks, right.
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  Speaker 1: I go out in the community and I see people,
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  Speaker 1: and I will always do that because Jesus said when
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  Speaker 1: he came, he said, I didn't come for the people
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  Speaker 1: that are well. I came for the sick. And so
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  Speaker 1: I know, just through observation and in my own life
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  Speaker 1: and the lives of people that I love, that the
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  Speaker 1: need is greater in our communities. Right, So being a
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  Speaker 1: community therapist. Then I have an opportunity where I can
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  Speaker 1: waiver fees. Sometimes I can modify fees things like that,
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  Speaker 1: And there's more therapists now that are doing that. They're
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  Speaker 1: doing income based fees. It's just a matter of what
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  Speaker 1: it is that you, where your heart is and where
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  Speaker 1: your passion is. But it mostly is the overhead. People
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  Speaker 1: think about what they've invested in their education, but we
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  Speaker 1: know that everybody can't afford to be paying one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty to two hundred dollars an hour to help
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  Speaker 1: people their problems.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that mental illnesses start at home? Like
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  Speaker 2: growing up in a home where the parents aren't on
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  Speaker 2: one accord, they're not equally or not doing things together
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  Speaker 2: to maintain the home, and then the child one that's
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  Speaker 2: left to somewhat finn for themselves. Is that like the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of mental illness.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that it is the beginning of mental illness.
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  Speaker 1: I think that living in a toxic environment exasperates what's
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  Speaker 1: already there. So let me give you a full example.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of people said COVID in twenty twenty, right,
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  Speaker 1: COVID eye people have a lot of mental health problems
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  Speaker 1: that's not true. Mental health problems were already there. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they were here, but COVID which was a nationwide crisis
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  Speaker 1: or worldwide crisis. Right, we're traumatized. It exasperate rated what
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  Speaker 1: is already what people were already secret. So a person
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  Speaker 1: can already have mental health issues, but when they live
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  Speaker 1: in a toxic environment where their needs are not being met,
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  Speaker 1: then it exasperates what is already going on in a child,
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  Speaker 1: you see. So this is why I have twenty five
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  Speaker 1: kids that I do therapy with in the public school system.
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  Speaker 1: I do not take on a client that is a
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  Speaker 1: child unless a parent agrees to be a part of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the process. I don't even take a client on like
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that because I know and I believe that the key
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to healing for a child is a parent, whether it's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a one parent house or a two parent house, so
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: or a grandma. I have a client that by her
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: great grandmother. But it is important for parents to provide
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a saving body for their children because if they don't,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: then the issues that are in this child, they're just
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: going to be further exasperated. If that child's not getting
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the kind of care that they need to have.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's the true so true.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: What can we do as a community to lift each
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: other up and inspire each other to seek therapy?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: We can do what we're doing right now. We can
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have conversations about it. John Maxwell said. The one word
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: definition that John Maxwell gives for leadership is influenced. So everybody,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: even those that are watching tonight, those of us that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: are on this platform, those that will watch through replay,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: ask yourself, what is my sphere of influence? Am my
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: manager on a job, and my mom and my grandma
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and my dad, and my uncle and my aunt. Do
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I have a podcast? Am I over a women's group?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And do I have a a am I part of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: a women's ministry in my church? Whatever group of people
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that you that you interact with on a regular basis,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that's your sphere of influence. Whatever group of people, whether
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's three or three hundred or three thousand, whatever group
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of people you know that listen to you, that's your
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: sphere of influence. And so when you identify what's your
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: sphere of influence, for example, Latanya and ms d D,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: your sphere of influences this platform right here right Okay,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: this is a space that you ladies know that when
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you get on it that people are going and listen
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to you. So then you say to yourself, how can
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I bring in these kinds of conversations to my sphere
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of influence. If you're a parent, your grandma, your mom,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: your dad, how could I possibly maybe one night a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: week that we have a family talk. And in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: family talk we talk about mental health and wellness. So
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we talk and we share. So I would say, do
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: what we're doing tonight right, have the conversations. You know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have a whole, big, worldwide something,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you have, use what's in your hand to talk
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: about mental health and wellness. Also, you can bring in
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: people like me, and there are other people like me
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that look like us that we could bring in. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I would definitely say that we need to have those
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: conversations and we need to have real conversations. One of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the things that I liked that you did, Latanya, is
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that you started out this conversation talking about yourself, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I think that that that took you to another level
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of healing when you did that. Because lots of times
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: when it comes to women and women's groups and women's organizations,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: we tend to put on big facades right, because we
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: think that those are the personalities that we need to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: have right. Personality disorder. Since we did talk about that tonight,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: A part of a great part of that is learned behavior.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: We learn that we have to have a certain kind
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: of personality in order to accept it right. Okay, so
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, disclosing yourself Like for me, I have no problem.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They used to say back in the church about your testimony,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: let me let me tell it, because you can't tell it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Tell it. So I'm of the same persuasion. I can
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: tell about me. I can talk about that how I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: went five years after a terrible divorce and I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in major depression. Okay, this is why I know what
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: depression looks like. I know what it feels like, what
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it smells like. And this is why, as a result
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of me experiencing that, now I didn't have clinical depression.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But because I had that experience, this is why I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like to share that with other women and help them
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to heal. So that's what we can do.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I feel as though God gave me this platform for
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that purpose and that purpose alone. I was born with
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: spina bifida and hydrocephalus, and I talk about it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Often.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Our Awareness Month is October, but I talk about it
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: every chance I get because I live with it every day,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and I just I feel like in order for other
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: people to feel free, it has to start with somebody.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: So why not me? So I step out and I've
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: exposed myself because I'm not perfect, I don't have everything together.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going through a divorce. Both are going through
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: menopause and other kind of pauses and having surgery. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: just had surgery two days ago, and I was able
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to hop on here tonight and have this conversation because
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's important, and I feel like we women should lead
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: by example, each one, teach one. We're waiting on these
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: men to feel comfortable enough to have discussions themselves, but
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: they can't have the discussions until they know it's okay
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: for them to be vulnerable and and talk about the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: things that they feel and deal with mentally, and things
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that they don't share with theirs or girlfriend or mother, sister, whatever.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Just creating that space of freedom means a lot.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, I agree, and I think that
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: is very very much needed. And like you said, we
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: both actually adopted both as son visitors. So any chance
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: we get to at least try to put anything out
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: there to let people know that. You know, there's there's
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of stigma on a lot of things that
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: aren't true. They're information now that they are not true.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Like you know, we can't live perfect lives or we
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: can't live with lives, you know what I'm saying, Because
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: we have that and that's true. And just because we're
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: going to do divorces through divorces doesn't mean that we
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: still can't.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Be who we're.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Supposed to be and be loved on like we're supposed
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: to be loved, like God has thought for us to
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: be loved on.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So it's a lot of things that you know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: We're both working through and learning for ourselves and learning
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: ourselves again, you.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Know, after the divorce. So I really appreciate it you coming.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: On, like Trevida just said, having the conversation without judgment,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: sit high enough to look low on somebody else, on
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: our neighbor or what have you. Because we all go
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: through something. It may not be identical to what the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: next person is going through, but we all endure some
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: sort of mental challenge and doing so, Doctor Carolyn, do
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you have like exercises that you give to people to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: help with that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're talking about anxiety, so I work
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: with a lot of women who are professionals, such as yourself,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: women who are CEOs, entrepreneurs. I'm an entrepreneur myself, the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: CEO myself, and so two of the main things that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we're going to see with women who have careers like that,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: anxiety is going to be number one. So some of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the simple things that we can do for anxiety is
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: deep breathing. There's not a day that I don't practice
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: deep breathing on a regular basis, especially when you become overwhelmed.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You know, doing ten seconds, fifteen to twenty seconds of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: deep breathing is definitely going to help. I'm a multi
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: century person, which means that I like smell, I like texture,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and so it's important to have nice candles around. Okay,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: create a quiet space for yourself, you know, like take
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: times out, take time out in the day for quiet time.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I'm a lover of classical music, so I cut everything
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: off and for an hour I listened to classical music.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Whatever it takes for you to quiet your spirit down
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and to quiet your brain down. Because a lot of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the social media and all the things the TVs and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: all that. It creates a lot of noise in our
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: head with and working on projects and maybe dealing with
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: your family and all that. You know, it can exasperate anxiety.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So those are a couple of things that I that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I would suggest that we could do to quiet our
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: minds down from being so business. Prayer is number one,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: though of course prayer is the absolute number one thing
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that we should practice in our lives. But along with prayer,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: every morning I pray. I don't do anything. I drink
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: water and I pray. That's my morning routine. That's what
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I do every day. I don't answer calls, messages, nothing,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I drink water, I pray, and then I and then
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I meditate. You know, you might have some people that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: have issues with meditation I do. I do biblical meditation
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: because it's important that you quiet your spirit down before
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you start going into the day, and then take time
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: out for yourself even throughout today, to shut everything off
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and set boundaries for yourself and tell people I will
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: get back to your call tomorrow, I will answer calls
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: on tomorrow. Do whatever you have to do to take
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: care of your mind first. And that's that's what I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: call when I talk to CEOs and professional people. That's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: what I call minding your business because with you without
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: your mental health, you can't tap into your wealth, all right,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So you've got to take care of your mind.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: What advice would you have for somebody learning to meditate,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: because sometimes I've tried it, and I guess because of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the ADHD, it's hard for me to just sit still
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and sit with myself. And because I'll be honest, I've
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: tried it a couple of times and I'm like, why
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: am I just sitting here and there's nothing happening. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: can't quiet my mind. It's like I have fifty different
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: things going through my mind at once. And the moment
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I say, you know, I'm going to try this is
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: when the wheels start turning and I'm pulling myself in
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: fifty different directions and I can't focus. So what would
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you say to someone who wants to heal themselves by
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: meditation but they don't quite understand what they're supposed to
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: be doing.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That's a really good question, Latanya. So David talked about meditation.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: He said, I meditated on the Lord day and night.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Right For the person who is hyper in their mind,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: my son, who is now thirty thirty. Right, he had ADHD.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I knew that he had ADHD when he was about
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: six years old. Boys tend to grow out of it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Girls typically don't, right, but I knew that he had it,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and he was super hyper. He was jumping all over
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the place every day, all day, that kind of thing.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I did with my son
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is every day I require that he take ten minutes
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to shut off every thing. I said, you gotta give
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: me ten minutes, just ten cut off TV, cut off
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the video game, give me ten minutes of nothing but quiet.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: The only thing you can do is read a book.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And it's hard for him at first, because you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: having ADHD, the mind is saying one thing and the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: body is saying another. Right, that's what happens. But I
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just so I would recommend ticket in small doses, start
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: with ten minutes a day. My son is now thirty
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: years old. He practices that every day of his life.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: He's a military man, and he does sometimes thirty minutes
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a day, sometimes an hour a day because he realized
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that he needed so. My advice would be, when it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: comes to quiet time, number one, ticket small, start with
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: ten minutes a day. The other thing I would recommend,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: as far as meditation, do something called guided meditation. You
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: go on YouTube, there is tons of meditation type music,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: or there are people who are speaking scripture while you're quiet.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I do that at night, you know, sometimes to get
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to sleep. So guided meditation, hearing another person's voice while
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you're sitting and being quiet, that will help to block
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: out some of the noise. So I think doing those
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: two things would really help.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you have any more questions you would like
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to ask?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I do have this one more question. Do you find that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: This day and time, is it more still more women
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: acceptable to wanting to do therapy or men or is
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: it just about the same.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Women are more acceptable for everything. Girl? I agree that right,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: But I will say this. I have male clients who
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I absolutely who I absolutely enjoy. Now a few of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: them have started coming to me because of their wives,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: But my male clientele is growing because you have more
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: men who are beginning to realize that there is something wrong.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: The thing is, when you go to a therapist, you
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: don't have the answers, and sometimes you don't know what's wrong.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You're not like Latanya who got a diagnosis. You just
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: know something in my life is not going right.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I would say yes. On average, Statistically speaking, more women
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: are more susceptible to talking because we talk anyway. That's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: what we do, is right, We just talk anyway. But
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: there are a growing number of more men who are
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: accepting a therapy who feel believe it or not, men
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: have a lot to say. We just we Societ just
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't give them an opportunity or a space to say it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: But men have a lot to say. And if men
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: are in a space where they feel safe, see I'm
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: gonna say space because I'm not the wife, I'm not
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the girlfriend. You know, I'm gonna say space, they can
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: speak more freely. But more men are a lot more
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: susceptible to the concept of talking with someone being engaged
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: in therapy because they want to get better they do,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: so more men are on board when it comes to that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, appreciate that well, Doctor Carolyn. How can people reach
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: you for appointments if they are in the area that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you uh that you cover?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Sure, so you can go to my website It's ww
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: dot Doctor Carolyn Stevens dot com, or if you want
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to take the ww dot off you can just put
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: doctor Carrolyn. Just don't put the period after doctor, but
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: doctor Carolyn Stevens dot com. There's a space on there
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: where you can make an appointment. You can go on
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: there and peruse around and you can reach out to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: me like that. Another favorable way to reach out to
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: me is on Facebook. My personal Facebook page is Carolyn Stevens. Right,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you just go on Facebook very discreetly. You can just
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: send me a little message. Now, you don't have to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: tell me all your problems when you message me, because
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: if you want to be discreet, but just say hey,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you, and that's fine. I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: have people that come to me and say, doctor Carolyn,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you about a friend, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that's fine. If you want to talk to me about
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a friend, I don't have an issue with that. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: so those are ways that you can reach out and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: talk to me, and by all means, please reach out.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Please reach out to me. If it's not me, then
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: reach out reach out to somebody I am in their future.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Within the next two months, I'm going to be establishing
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: some group therapy sessions. So these will be comfortable spaces
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: where women can come together. You don't have to be
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: visible to be a part of the group, but you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: can be with other like minded people who share some
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: of your same symptoms and diagnoses and be able to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: do that. So I'm developing some other things that women
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: can come together and making normalizing the world of mental
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: health and wellness. But please, by all means Facebook on
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: my website. That's how you can reach out to me.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: And do you have any parting last words you would
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: like to put out there in that atmosphere, Doctor Carolyn.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I would like to say that Jesus wants us well.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That's what that Jesus wants and let me personalize it.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Jesus wants you well. He wants you to be well.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: He was known as the Great counselor. So I believe
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that Jesus believed in mental health and wellness right because
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: he ministered to the mind. If you break your arm
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: or you cut your hand really badly, you're not gonna
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: think twice about going to er. You're not gonna think
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: twice about calling your doctor and say, hey, doctor, something
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: is wrong. Why let that be any different for your mind?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: If your mind has been injured through trauma, through things
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that you have been through. Why not call upon a professional?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Why not call upon a specialist so that you can
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: be seen about? Because God wants you to be whole
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and entire, lacking nothing. He doesn't want you living a
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: secret life of depression, of anger, of anxiety, or any
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of those other things. He wants you to be whole.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And so my last imparting words to you, help is available.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: God has made help available. Take access to help that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: God has for you so that you can live and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be that whole person that God has called for you to.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Bell Doctor Carolyn, I thank you for joining us tonight.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I would like to ask you if your fourth Fridays
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of every month are free. I would like to introduce
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: mental illness mental wellness to my platform on the fourth
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Fridays of every month.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: If you're available, and I would like to come, let
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: me chat because I'm with Black Diamond. I don't I'm
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: not sure if that's the fourth Friday or I would yeah,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I'm doing something different, but anyway, if it is not
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: count me there, I'd love. I would love, love love.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Let's have this necessary conversation. And those of you all
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that are watching on tonight, and I see some million
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: people that I know sending you love, kiss and hugs,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and most of all, I'm sending all of you a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: lot of peace. Go and find somebody tonight that you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: love and ask them how are you doing? For real?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Want to give everybody that homework assignment. Okay, and most
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: check on check on yourself, Okay, do a check, do
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a check. Sometimes people need a therapist to check in,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: So do a check in if you will. But yes,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check my schedule. But I believe that's free,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and I love to come and be apart.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: We would love you, We really would.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I do believe that this conversation could possibly change somebody's life,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: change their perspective on getting help. You're not crazy for
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: seeking help. You're not you know, there's nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 2: you for needing somebody to talk to that may not
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  Speaker 2: be connected to you through friendship or biological family or
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  Speaker 2: what have you. It's okay, You're okay to seek help.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay to not be. Okay, it's okay to
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  Speaker 1: not be.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to.
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  Speaker 2: Thank everyone for chiming in tonight, tuneing in, and we
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  Speaker 2: will be back on the second Monday of July. Have
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  Speaker 2: no clue what I got going on, but we will
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  Speaker 2: be back and on fourth Friday of July, if doctor
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  Speaker 2: Carolyn is not busy, she'll join D D and I
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  Speaker 2: to continue this discussion of mental wealth and your mental health.
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  Speaker 2: I thank you all for tuning in tonight. Y'all be blessed,
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  Speaker 2: and remember, even if it's delayed, if God has it
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  Speaker 2: for you, it won't be denied unto you until next time.
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  Speaker 3: Good night,