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Duct Cleaning--Yea or Nay?; Finding Meaning Through Paint with Keegan Somers · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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Speaker 1: Well, good morning everybody. How are you doing. I personally
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Speaker 1: am petulant. I was petulant no longer. I am petulant
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Speaker 1: no longer. But this whole week, I've been petulant like
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Speaker 1: a child. I'm not proud of this, but you know,
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Speaker 1: the show's all about honesty. I let you see the
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Speaker 1: ugly as well as the glorious, and this open is
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Speaker 1: a little ugly. Yeah. When I say petulant like a child,
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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at is, you know how
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Speaker 1: sometimes kids can be so overwhelmed with a situation, you know,
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Speaker 1: some perceived unfairness. You know, some perceive slight. You know,
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Speaker 1: they sense that, and they get so overwhelmed that they
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Speaker 1: just collapse in a heap of tears. You know that stage,
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Speaker 1: that ugly toddler stage. That's the stage I've been in
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Speaker 1: all week long. For example, I went out to the
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Speaker 1: truck the other day to just go to work, right,
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Speaker 1: I am minding my own business. I am, I'm just
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Speaker 1: going to work. And I get outside and the temperature
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Speaker 1: is still thirty four degrees or lower. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what it was, but it's not higher than that.
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Speaker 1: The truck windshield has frost on it. It's so thick,
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Speaker 1: it's got to be scraped off. And when that happened,
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Speaker 1: that was almost a bridge too far for this little
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Speaker 1: this little man. If getting up off the ground wasn't
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Speaker 1: so much work at my age, i'd have just collapsed
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Speaker 1: in a heap on the driveway, in tears, little freezing tears.
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Speaker 1: Fortunately I'm too old for that, you know, too old
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Speaker 1: to collapse on the ground. I could break a hip
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Speaker 1: or something like that. And even if I don't break
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Speaker 1: a hip, as I've already said, getting up it's not
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Speaker 1: easy anymore. So I didn't do that. I didn't collapse,
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Speaker 1: but internally, internally, I was railing at the universe. Like
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Speaker 1: I was two years old. I was so mad, so
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Speaker 1: sick of the cold. Now I know I choose to
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Speaker 1: live here. I can hear what everybody's thinking. I choose
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Speaker 1: to live in Michigan. I know that, I know, I
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Speaker 1: know that I need to man up. I need to
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Speaker 1: enjoy the cold for what it is, right because at
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Speaker 1: some point in the year will be wishing it was cold.
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Speaker 1: Is there ever that point? I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I know I got to handle it better, but I'm
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Speaker 1: sick of it. You know. I know the weather's gonna turn,
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Speaker 1: and I guess I gotta keep focusing on that. It's
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Speaker 1: gonna turn. It's gonna get better. The robins are gonna
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Speaker 1: stop freezing to death in the trees. You know, the
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Speaker 1: spring's gonna come. It's gonna be a happy day when
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Speaker 1: that happens. You're gonna hear me whooping and hollering. Wherever
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Speaker 1: you live. Just hang your head outside on a warm
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Speaker 1: Saturday morning and you hear whooping and hollering. That's me celebrating. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's been my week. You're listening to the Repco Light
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Speaker 1: Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and today on
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Speaker 1: the show, let's get to important stuff. Today on the show,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting down and talking with Keegan Summers
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Speaker 1: from Vivid Creative Contracting. He's one of our painting contracts.
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Speaker 1: He's a regular listener of the show, and we're gonna
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Speaker 1: be talking about everything from you know how his company
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Speaker 1: got it start, to his go to paint choice for walls,
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Speaker 1: to his tips and tricks for getting great results when
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Speaker 1: painting cabinets and tons more. All of that is coming up.
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Speaker 1: Lots of good stuff, but for right now I want
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Speaker 1: to get to a topic that I kind of started
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Speaker 1: last week. I promised that i'd get to this last week,
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Speaker 1: and I'm delivering on that promise. For regular listeners, you
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Speaker 1: may remember that I talked about all the dust in
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Speaker 1: my home last week. In fact, when you think about it,
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Speaker 1: if you're a regular listener, you have heard so many
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Speaker 1: negative things about my home that you got to wonder
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Speaker 1: how we stay alive in that place. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: talked about mice and spider infestations and dust and you
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Speaker 1: name it. I mean, nobody's ever going to buy my house,
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Speaker 1: you know, nobody who listens on the radio, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: you know, they'll know that if they do buy it,
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Speaker 1: it's just got to be raised to the ground or
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Speaker 1: burnt to the ground, and then you build on the ashes.
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Speaker 1: It's it's not that bad. I just tend to exaggerate
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Speaker 1: a little bit for drama on the radio. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: I talked about all of that. That's neither here nor there.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting sidetracked. Anyway. My main point last week was
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Speaker 1: to talk about all that dust, you know, and why
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Speaker 1: some homes have so much dust, and then also of
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Speaker 1: course dig into ways to minimize it. Now, if you
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Speaker 1: miss that and you are dealing with dust, go check
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Speaker 1: it out. You can find the podcast wherever you get
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Speaker 1: your podcasts, or you can find it online at repcolit
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Speaker 1: dot com. Just click the on the radio tab right
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Speaker 1: there on the homepage. Check it out. But one of
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Speaker 1: the potential fixes in dealing with dust, one of the
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Speaker 1: potential fixes is obviously to have somebody come out and
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Speaker 1: clean your air ducts out. And in fact, that was
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Speaker 1: my first first thought, you know, when I was assessing
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Speaker 1: the situation, I just need to get the ducks cleaned out.
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Speaker 1: I had a ton of people tell me that's the solution,
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Speaker 1: just get the ducks cleaned out. But it's not inexpensive,
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Speaker 1: and it does, you know, the expense makes me curious
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Speaker 1: what the feedback is amongst people who've done it. So
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Speaker 1: I did a lot of research. I asked for input
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Speaker 1: from listeners, and I've gathered a ton of anecdotal evidence
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to compile here. And I know this
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Speaker 1: is anecdotal, so do with that what you want, but
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Speaker 1: I still think it's really helpful. So after doing all
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Speaker 1: of that research asking for input from listeners, here's what
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Speaker 1: I've got. Most people who've had their ducks cleaned don't
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Speaker 1: experience the game changing dust elimination that they thought they
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Speaker 1: were going to experience. Now, it's not to say it's
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Speaker 1: not worth doing. For example, plenty of people reported that
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Speaker 1: a lot of visible gunk was pulled out of their ducks,
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Speaker 1: you know, pet hair, construction debris, decades of build up.
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Speaker 1: You know. They said they knew all that junk came
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Speaker 1: out of their ducks, and that made them feel better
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Speaker 1: about their home, but they were still a little bummed
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Speaker 1: to find that they still had dust settling on surfaces
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Speaker 1: throughout the home even after the ducks were cleaned. Other
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Speaker 1: people had a slightly different experience. They said that the
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Speaker 1: removal of all that gunk from their ducks did help
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Speaker 1: reduce the dust, but still a lot of these folks
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Speaker 1: went on to say that it wasn't a game changer.
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Speaker 1: You know, that was the word they used. It's not
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Speaker 1: a game changer. So what does that mean? Well, after
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Speaker 1: digging into it, this is what they were feeling. They
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Speaker 1: had what they called a short term win from this.
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Speaker 1: One person in particular explained that he had six months
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Speaker 1: or so, you know, of less dust accumulating on furniture
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Speaker 1: and floors and stuff. Another person echoed that, so they
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Speaker 1: had that same type of experience, and they also said
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Speaker 1: the house smelt cleaner for you know, about six months
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Speaker 1: or so, but even those folks saw the dust grow
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Speaker 1: again as time went on. So what's the bottom line.
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Speaker 1: Is it worth it? Well, the general consensus is that
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Speaker 1: people who suffer with allergies definitely feel that the air
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Speaker 1: quality in their home improved after duct cleaning. Also, people
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Speaker 1: who just completed a renovation or who've got a number
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Speaker 1: of pets in their home, especially heavy shedding pets, if
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Speaker 1: they've got pets in the home, they also feel that
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Speaker 1: the duct cleaning had a worthwhile effect on the dust
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Speaker 1: situation in their home. So it was positive in that regard.
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Speaker 1: So that said, for the most part, most people who've
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Speaker 1: done it, including those people, don't feel that it's an
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Speaker 1: essential maintenance step for every single home. They feel it's situational.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you know the ducks in your home
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Speaker 1: are in bad shape with lots of build up, lots
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Speaker 1: of pet hair, whatever, then it can definitely be a
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Speaker 1: part of the process of removing dust from your home,
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Speaker 1: and it probably should be a part of removing you
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Speaker 1: know the dust from your home, but don't go in
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Speaker 1: thinking that it's a silver bullet. In most situations, the
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Speaker 1: dust isn't coming solely from this source, from your ducks,
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Speaker 1: and because of that, cleaning just this source isn't going
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Speaker 1: to remove all of the dust that you're dealing with.
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Speaker 1: If you go into it knowing what it's going to
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Speaker 1: do for you, you're not going to be frustrated. You're not
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Speaker 1: going to have your expectations shattered. Best thing I can
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Speaker 1: tell you, I think is what I told you last week.
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Speaker 1: By one of those cheap snake cameras online and the
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Speaker 1: little snake cameras, you can run it right down into
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Speaker 1: the ducks. They're like thirty to fifty bucks somewhere in
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Speaker 1: that range. You can view what the camera is seeing
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Speaker 1: on your phone. Some of them have little monitors. Run
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Speaker 1: it into the duct work at your home. See what
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Speaker 1: you've got. If it's overloaded with all kinds of goodies,
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Speaker 1: it's probably worth getting a crew out there to at
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Speaker 1: least give you an estimate. But even if you do that,
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Speaker 1: even if you have the ducks clean, remember that dust
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Speaker 1: from skin fabric and outdoor infiltration keeps coming back into
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Speaker 1: the home. Unless you deal with those issues as well,
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Speaker 1: and some of them you know, dust from skin. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Not many ways to get around that. It's just going
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Speaker 1: to be a continual thing unless you decide to not
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Speaker 1: live in your home. You know, you could seal it
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Speaker 1: off and keep everybody out. Maybe that would work. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: Hopefully that gives you a better understanding of the benefits
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Speaker 1: and the limitations of duct cleaning. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: a break. When we come back, I'll be in the
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Speaker 1: studio with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. That's all next.
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Speaker 1: Stick around and we're back. You're listening to the Repco
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Speaker 1: Light Home Improvement Show sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And right
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Speaker 1: now a portion of a conversation that I had earlier
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Speaker 1: this week with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
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Speaker 1: I love these contractor interviews. You know, not only do
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Speaker 1: we talk about products and painting tips and all of that,
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Speaker 1: but they also help you out there get to know
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Speaker 1: the people behind the work and when you're hiring a pro,
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Speaker 1: you know, to come out to your house and do
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Speaker 1: some work that really matters. This particular one right now,
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to play is just a small portion
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Speaker 1: of the full conversation, A lot of good stuff. I
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Speaker 1: just didn't have time to get it on air. So
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Speaker 1: you can catch that full interview if you want to,
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Speaker 1: on our YouTube series called The Interviews. Just go check
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Speaker 1: that out on Repco Light's YouTube page. But for right now,
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Speaker 1: here's Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. So Vivid Creative Contracting,
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Speaker 1: you run that. It's a family business though, right, it
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Speaker 1: goes back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm four fourth generation sort of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk about that a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I started my great uncle who previously before
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Speaker 2: he's got into residential painting, he worked at a timey
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Speaker 2: window factory where all of the windows would get finished
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Speaker 2: with a brush, and he was the guy in the
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Speaker 2: assembly line that would brush all of the window sashes.
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Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, so they're just coming off the line
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Speaker 1: and he's there brushing it.
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Speaker 2: Uh huh, him and quite a few other guys. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's also back in like the lead paint era. Right,
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Speaker 2: But eventually he went residential and he passed it on
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Speaker 2: to my grandfather.
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Speaker 1: And where were you guys? Where were they operating?
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Speaker 2: Mostly out of Newaggo County up in the Fremont area.
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you exactly where that factory was, I guess.
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Speaker 2: But most of my grandpa's work was up in Newago County,
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Speaker 2: and we still do a bunch of our work up
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Speaker 2: there too, for what it's worth, because we've sort of
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Speaker 2: got that family name going for us up there. My
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Speaker 2: grandpa passed it down to my dad, and eventually that
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Speaker 2: passed to me about three years ago. I think I
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Speaker 2: worked for my dad for about ten years before that,
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Speaker 2: sort of being groomed lightly for leadership. Eventually, right, and
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Speaker 2: he kind of passed on expectedly and passed it on
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Speaker 2: to me. But yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 1: I'm all right.
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Speaker 2: Fourth generation. We've been doing it for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Fourth generation, long time of doing that. So your uncle
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Speaker 1: worked in the window factory. He's painting. What did your
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Speaker 1: grandpa previously do?
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Speaker 2: He was always a painter.
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Speaker 1: Always a painter, all right, always an they start working together,
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Speaker 1: start doing residential and do that for a while. Your
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Speaker 1: dad comes along, you come along. Was there ever a point,
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Speaker 1: you know in your life when you're thinking, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go do all kinds of other things.
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Speaker 2: Oh so I also spent two and a half years
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Speaker 2: in college. I couldn't hack it for a lack of
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Speaker 2: a better term.
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Speaker 1: Are you pursuing what are you going to be?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I was going to be a chemical engineer,
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Speaker 2: all right, and it just wasn't for me. I really
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Speaker 2: like working with my hands, and I didn't feel like
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Speaker 2: I was going to get that there. And then I
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Speaker 2: went into the military for a couple of years in
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Speaker 2: the Air Force. So I was kind of all over
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Speaker 2: the place for a while, didn't really know what I
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Speaker 2: wanted to do at first, and I guess it's safe
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Speaker 2: to say that this was sort of my fallback at first.
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Speaker 2: But despite that being the case, I absolutely love my
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Speaker 2: job now. And I probably should have never went to
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Speaker 2: college or the military in the first place, because I
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Speaker 2: absolutely love what I do. I should just went into
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Speaker 2: this from the get go.
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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you got to you got to reach around,
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Speaker 1: you got to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Sure, maybe you wouldn't have loved it as much if
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Speaker 1: you hadn't done those other things. That could be very true,
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Speaker 1: and it showed you that this is pretty good yet. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so military two years? What was that like?
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Speaker 2: Yes, so I was in the Special Forces program for
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Speaker 2: the Air Force, trying to become a pair of rescue jumper,
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Speaker 2: which is basically a coast Guard swimmer, but for things
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Speaker 2: that are farther offshore. And they have a ninety three
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Speaker 2: percent attrition rate of their special forces program. So I didn't.
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Speaker 2: I didn't make the ninety three percent. I didn't make the.
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Speaker 1: Seventh holy smokes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So they when you, if you fail out of the program,
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Speaker 2: they try to reclash you into something else, give you
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Speaker 2: a different job, but they get to pick that job.
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Speaker 2: And so they wanted me to reclass into driving a
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Speaker 2: bus around the base, and I said, no, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I think I will just take my sefference package and
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Speaker 2: get out of here and not have to be in
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Speaker 2: for my last four years.
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Speaker 1: How'd you feel about the experience? Was it a good experience? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I wouldn't complain at all. I think it was
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Speaker 2: pretty formative for me as a twenty three year old, like.
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Speaker 1: In what regard I mean, of course, in so many regards, but.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I maybe lacked a little bit of
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Speaker 2: discipline prior to that, which maybe is the cliche answer, but.
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Speaker 1: Uhiche's true, right, right, right, that's the true.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. And I met a lot of great guys,
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Speaker 2: a lot that I'm still in touch with today. So
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Speaker 2: it wasn't that.
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Speaker 1: The thrown away experience is a good experience, not at all.
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Speaker 2: No regrets.
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Speaker 1: So you got college for a couple of years, chemical
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Speaker 1: engineer you're pursuing. Then you think, okay, that's just creast,
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Speaker 1: isn't right. Then you went into the military and then okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna drive a bus, right, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to do it, And then you fall back on this
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Speaker 1: painting career. Yeah, and no regrets in that regard. You
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Speaker 1: said that no regrets, you'd absolutely like, oh man, I
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Speaker 1: could have been I could have done but now I'm
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Speaker 1: doing this feels good to you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all?
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Speaker 1: What about it? I mean like, like, okay, so everybody
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Speaker 1: wants to have meaning. We want to want to find
14:25
Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Going at the same place that I was going to
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Speaker 2: go to.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you know, sometimes it's just, you know,
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Speaker 1: the meaning is there's a paycheck and I can do
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Speaker 1: what I want to do. And sometimes and I think
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Speaker 1: that the most fulfilling careers, of course, are the ones
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Speaker 1: where we feel like I'm doing something. How do you feel.
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Speaker 2: About Yeah, right, I don't think it's about a paycheck
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Speaker 2: at all. Of course, I'm like the sole income learner
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Speaker 2: for my family. So it is a little bit about
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Speaker 2: the paycheck, of course.
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Speaker 1: I know it's always nice to say I don't care
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Speaker 1: about that. It's about the people and the work, and
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Speaker 1: of course it's.
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Speaker 2: Fun page how to make money too. But I think
15:02
Speaker 2: you're right that jobs are the most enjoyable when you
15:05
Speaker 2: can find some sense of meaning in them. And I
15:07
Speaker 2: think most of that meaning tends to come from when
15:10
Speaker 2: you are doing something for other people. Like I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of doctors and nurses would say they have
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Speaker 2: fulfilling careers because they are directly impacting the health and
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Speaker 2: lives of other people. And so I sort of framed
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Speaker 2: my job as I am making a small positive impact
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Speaker 2: in your life that is lasting. Though. Right when I
15:32
Speaker 2: come in and I repaint your entire interior, that's something
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Speaker 2: that you get to live with for the next five, ten,
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Speaker 2: fifteen years, depending on how choosy you are about getting
15:41
Speaker 2: new colors ever so often. Right, but you enjoy your
15:44
Speaker 2: life more for the sake that I have been there
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Speaker 2: and made that space into your own space, your home,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to what you bought that home as, right.
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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I work in the paint store. I
15:56
Speaker 1: went to school I was going to be a teacher,
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Speaker 1: so it's college four years. I'm going to be a teacher.
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Speaker 1: Then that just wasn't right, you know. I didn't go
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Speaker 1: very far into that that's not right. So I switched gears,
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Speaker 1: and I was going to be a pastor, all right.
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Speaker 1: So I went to a seminary for a year, and
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Speaker 1: that didn't seem right. And the money, it was very expensive. Sure,
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Speaker 1: so okay, I'm not sure. I'm going to take a
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Speaker 1: break here for a little bit and try to figure
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Speaker 1: this out for sure before I spend that much money
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Speaker 1: on a career and ended up. You know, I got married,
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Speaker 1: we had kids really quickly, twins right off the bat,
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Speaker 1: and I ended up working at Repcolite. And it was
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Speaker 1: such a let down in a way because I'm working
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Speaker 1: a paint store. You know, I was gonna do all
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Speaker 1: these big things, and I remember, this is just it's
16:38
Speaker 1: a ridiculous story for me. But I was doing plumbing
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Speaker 1: one weekend at home. I'm not a plumber at all,
16:44
Speaker 1: struggle and it was supposed to be something simple, and
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Speaker 1: it's just I cannot get this thing to stop leaking.
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Speaker 1: I can't I put it back together. It leaks. Take
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Speaker 1: it apart put it back together. It leaks over and
16:53
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over. Eventually
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Speaker 1: I'm yelling at the kids, you know, because it's stressing
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Speaker 1: me out. The day is ticking away. I've got on
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Speaker 1: to the store four times, to a big box store,
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Speaker 1: just grabbed the stuff I thought I needed. Couldn't make
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Speaker 1: it work. The stress was horrible. I'm fighting with everybody
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Speaker 1: in the house. I finally last ditch. I got to
17:11
Speaker 1: run and just see once what I'm missing. Go to
17:14
Speaker 1: a hardware store where they actually caught me and said,
17:17
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I said, I just need some No,
17:19
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing, because they could tell I
17:21
Speaker 1: was stressed, right, I told him what I'm doing. The
17:23
Speaker 1: guy said, do you have this thing? What this thing?
17:26
Speaker 1: And he shows me. I don't remember what it was,
17:28
Speaker 1: and I brought I didn't. I brought it home, put
17:31
Speaker 1: that on. That was the thing, this piece that I
17:33
Speaker 1: was missing to make it work. And I realized that
17:36
Speaker 1: guy works this simple job, you know, he's just working
17:39
Speaker 1: a hardware store, and yet he made my whole weekend.
17:41
Speaker 1: He saved my weekend. He saved the children from whatever
17:45
Speaker 1: would have been coming if we'd have had no plumbing
17:47
Speaker 1: for the rest of the weekend because of me, And
17:49
Speaker 1: I realized I can do that in the paint store
17:51
Speaker 1: with you know, helping people find the right tools, the
17:54
Speaker 1: right paint, the right so all of a sudden, there's
17:55
Speaker 1: meaning to that. So I completely get what you're feeling
17:58
Speaker 1: like in a sense because you go into their homes
18:02
Speaker 1: and it's just whatever they bought, it's somebody else's something
18:05
Speaker 1: they pick colors.
18:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easy to I think it's easy
18:10
Speaker 2: to overlook all of those small impacts that you have
18:12
Speaker 2: on people's lives. But also I think it's pretty important
18:16
Speaker 2: for your mental health to remember those small impacts that
18:21
Speaker 2: you're making on people's lives whenever possible. It makes you
18:23
Speaker 2: feel good about yourself, It makes you feel worthwhile, makes
18:26
Speaker 2: you feel like you're doing something important.
18:28
Speaker 1: Well, And I think, yeah, that's the beauty of I mean, really,
18:30
Speaker 1: if you can find that and it's there, I think
18:33
Speaker 1: in most careers, most jobs, you know, there is that.
18:37
Speaker 1: If you can find that, there's a lot of fulfillment
18:40
Speaker 1: that comes from no matter what you're doing, because it's
18:42
Speaker 1: not so much about what I'm doing, It's about who
18:45
Speaker 1: I'm impacting and how I'm impacting.
18:47
Speaker 2: I could not agree more.
18:49
Speaker 1: All right, let's pause the conversation right there and take
18:51
Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be back in a few minutes
18:53
Speaker 1: with Mark. Stick around. You're listening to the Repical Light
19:02
Speaker 1: home improvement show sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and we're continuing
19:05
Speaker 1: our conversation with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
19:09
Speaker 1: if you miss the first part, don't worry. You can
19:12
Speaker 1: catch the full interview on our YouTube series The Interviews.
19:15
Speaker 1: But for now, let's get back to the conversation with Keegan. So,
19:18
Speaker 1: thinking about painters, you know, shifting gears just a little bit.
19:21
Speaker 1: What do people get wrong about painters?
19:25
Speaker 2: Well, I think that a lot of people underestimate the
19:32
Speaker 2: amount of knowledge that goes into the job. A lot
19:36
Speaker 2: of people feel I could paint my bedroom this weekend,
19:40
Speaker 2: And you're right, you can paint your bedroom this weekend.
19:44
Speaker 2: It's just going to take you significantly longer than me
19:48
Speaker 2: because I've got a process down that I've honed over
19:51
Speaker 2: many years to be able to do it very quickly.
19:54
Speaker 2: And you also don't know the products that are available
19:58
Speaker 2: to you, and certainly the paint store guy can help
20:00
Speaker 2: with that and direct you in the right direction if
20:02
Speaker 2: you go in there. But even then, a lot of
20:05
Speaker 2: hohomeowners wouldn't go into the paint store, right, they would
20:08
Speaker 2: go into they would just pick up the first thing
20:12
Speaker 2: that they saw and not ask for advice. Right, And
20:15
Speaker 2: you're liable to make a lot of mistakes that way,
20:17
Speaker 2: because you don't know what you don't know, right.
20:21
Speaker 1: Right, You don't even know how to ask for what
20:23
Speaker 1: you don't know unless you start with, look, i'm at
20:25
Speaker 1: zero here, help me with everything. But most of the
20:28
Speaker 1: time we don't think about that when I'm in a
20:29
Speaker 1: place that i'm you know, autoed parts, well, the plumbing.
20:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to say, you should rereference
20:35
Speaker 2: your plumbing here exactly the same case.
20:38
Speaker 1: Good at this, And yeah, I didn't even know what
20:41
Speaker 1: to ask for. I had no idea. What was so obvious,
20:45
Speaker 1: you know when it was all over you know now
20:47
Speaker 1: it's really obvious, but at the time, and that's what
20:50
Speaker 1: we see in the paint store a lot of times,
20:52
Speaker 1: you know, if we you know, sometimes we'll ask a
20:55
Speaker 1: bad question, you know, we think of it as a
20:56
Speaker 1: bad question, is there anything else you need? You know,
20:59
Speaker 1: in which I had to say that that's not the
21:01
Speaker 1: best question to ask. I used to ask that all
21:02
Speaker 1: the time in the store because of course, no, I
21:04
Speaker 1: think I grabbed everything I needed, But they don't even
21:07
Speaker 1: know what you're missing.
21:08
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Yeah, we do a fair amount of work. It
21:13
Speaker 2: is not a huge part of our profit, but we
21:15
Speaker 2: do a fair amount of work that is well, we
21:17
Speaker 2: tried to paint this ourselves, and we went over this
21:21
Speaker 2: old oil based trim with a latex trim paint and
21:25
Speaker 2: we didn't stand it or apply any sort of primer
21:29
Speaker 2: to help with the bonding adhesion. Now it's all peeling
21:31
Speaker 2: off where we've applied it. Can you come fix it
21:34
Speaker 2: for us? And yeah, we can come fix that for you.
21:37
Speaker 2: But also, if you had just consulted with someone to
21:40
Speaker 2: learn what you didn't know first, you wouldn't have been
21:45
Speaker 2: in this mess.
21:45
Speaker 1: So many of those situations happened because you know, a homeowner,
21:50
Speaker 1: we see it a lot where somebody's selling a house.
21:52
Speaker 1: You know, they just want to get a coat of
21:54
Speaker 1: paint on everything, or flippers flippers. Yeah, and you just
21:57
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, because once it's at that point, it's
22:00
Speaker 1: tough to fix. But if it's your own home, if
22:03
Speaker 1: you're even yeah, you're honestly, you don't even know that
22:06
Speaker 1: questions sometimes, but just at least come into the store
22:09
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it on your own, explain what
22:11
Speaker 1: you're doing and what you're dealing with. But I really
22:14
Speaker 1: like that. I think that is something that people don't realize.
22:16
Speaker 1: You know, that's the value. You know, people often will
22:19
Speaker 1: focus on the expense of bringing a painter, and I
22:21
Speaker 1: can save so much money by not And yet you
22:25
Speaker 1: guys come in and catch all that stuff, And how
22:27
Speaker 1: much money is it worth to not have all of
22:29
Speaker 1: that stuff peeling and not think how do I fix this?
22:32
Speaker 1: Or to have to bring you in later to try
22:34
Speaker 1: to fix it in.
22:34
Speaker 2: Right, I'm always worse to bring us in after the
22:36
Speaker 2: mistakes have already been made. Yeah, for sure.
22:39
Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing you've ever run into on a
22:41
Speaker 1: job site? Not necessarily along those lines, but just anything,
22:44
Speaker 1: craziest thing.
22:45
Speaker 2: Good question, No, this one's put me on the spot
22:47
Speaker 2: a little bit. The weirdest thing well, uh, okay, I'm
22:53
Speaker 2: not sure this is exactly where you're going with it.
22:55
Speaker 2: But one time a few years back, on the top
22:59
Speaker 2: of a forty foot one lad a very high peak,
23:01
Speaker 2: painting in exterior I suddenly realized that the little gable
23:05
Speaker 2: event that was up there was full of bats who
23:10
Speaker 2: came swarming out of it, and as I was trying
23:12
Speaker 2: to spray at the siding. And let me tell you,
23:15
Speaker 2: he's not that enjoyable to have bats that are at
23:19
Speaker 2: fat in the air. Yeah, maybe the ladder wasn't quite
23:22
Speaker 2: at full extension, but we're certainly over thirty and there's
23:25
Speaker 2: no real I gotta get out of the way quickly.
23:28
Speaker 1: Here, What did you do?
23:29
Speaker 2: I scuttled down the ladder as quick as possible, getting
23:32
Speaker 2: battered in the face by a couple few bats who
23:35
Speaker 2: are flying out of their gables. And that was and
23:38
Speaker 2: maybe the weirdest thing that's ever happened. Yeah, I don't know.
23:40
Speaker 1: My kid does some exterior painting. He started doing that
23:43
Speaker 1: last year. Last year's first year. Had never done any painting.
23:46
Speaker 1: He was the ladder guy. He got good at moving
23:49
Speaker 1: the ladders around, and he's up there doing it. The
23:51
Speaker 1: heights didn't bother him. And I got a call one day,
23:54
Speaker 1: or I got home one day and he was telling me, oh,
23:57
Speaker 1: same not not exactly the same thing, but he's way
23:59
Speaker 1: up there. Bat. You know. It was just kind of
24:02
Speaker 1: hanging there, and he painted around him, not around him.
24:05
Speaker 1: He was sleepy, so the bat was fine, didn't do anything.
24:08
Speaker 1: And then he had to go back and do a
24:10
Speaker 1: second coat later, and the bat was still there, and
24:13
Speaker 1: he thought, well, well, now the bat's ready to go,
24:16
Speaker 1: and just starts, you know, flopping around and clings to
24:19
Speaker 1: his leg. You know, he's got shorts on. The bat's
24:21
Speaker 1: climbing down his leg. He's stuck on the ladder, just
24:24
Speaker 1: thinking what do I do? That is gross stuff.
24:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently small world. I can't believe you came back
24:30
Speaker 2: with almost the same story.
24:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why.
24:33
Speaker 2: Maybe it's more common than I think.
24:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, but man, I don't want it to be.
24:37
Speaker 1: Oh that's a pretty good weird thing. So you've been
24:40
Speaker 1: doing this a long time. You probably said, how long
24:43
Speaker 1: have you been painting?
24:44
Speaker 2: Thirteen years?
24:45
Speaker 1: Thirteen years? You do more than just painting, right, And.
24:48
Speaker 2: So I don't have a builder's license. I do have
24:51
Speaker 2: a remodeler's license from the state of Michigan. So we
24:54
Speaker 2: can do basically anything that doesn't change your floor plan,
24:58
Speaker 2: Like we can't pour. I can't pull pull permits for
25:01
Speaker 2: changing the shape of your foundation. Okay, but if you
25:03
Speaker 2: want us to install some cabinets or remove some cabinets,
25:07
Speaker 2: or put new baseboard on or window trim or any
25:10
Speaker 2: of the small stuff like that. We are happy to
25:12
Speaker 2: do that for you.
25:12
Speaker 1: So the name works pretty well. Yeah, so you've been
25:14
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time. You know, what are
25:16
Speaker 1: some of your and I guess I'm probably talking about
25:19
Speaker 1: the paint side of things here. You go to tools,
25:22
Speaker 1: go to products. You know, you're talking to everybody from
25:25
Speaker 1: contractors to di I wires, So it's always interesting to get,
25:29
Speaker 1: you know, from a professional who uses stuff all the time.
25:32
Speaker 1: Are their roller covers or their brushes that you really love?
25:35
Speaker 1: Products that you love.
25:37
Speaker 2: I'll give you a quick rundown. We use for almost
25:41
Speaker 2: all walls. We use microfiber covers. Maybe they take a
25:47
Speaker 2: slight amount of getting used to if you're very used
25:49
Speaker 2: to the other types.
25:50
Speaker 1: Of roller covers in what regard what's how's it different?
25:53
Speaker 2: They Well, they hold The reason I like them so
25:55
Speaker 2: much is because they hold quite a bit more paint
25:58
Speaker 2: in them. But the rolling technique becomes a little bit
26:01
Speaker 2: different because they're very apt to lose a lot of
26:05
Speaker 2: paint right when you first put them out of the
26:06
Speaker 2: wall and make those first couple of strokes in a
26:09
Speaker 2: way that some roller covers aren't. It just sort of
26:11
Speaker 2: squeezes out there pretty quickly, and so you need to
26:14
Speaker 2: change up your stroke technique a little bit. But as
26:18
Speaker 2: compared to a woven cover, I think you can get
26:21
Speaker 2: a lot farther per roller fill out of the pan,
26:24
Speaker 2: which maybe saves you three seconds for each roller fill,
26:28
Speaker 2: but also three seconds thousands and thousands of times.
26:34
Speaker 1: Per year over time. Microfiber covers YE to.
26:42
Speaker 2: Give a product, We use Scuffex for all of our walls.
26:46
Speaker 2: Not that I don't think that there are other paints
26:48
Speaker 2: that are pretty comparable, but I've worked out a great
26:51
Speaker 2: deal with the salesman, get a pretty good price on
26:55
Speaker 2: my Scuffex, and it seems like clients really like the Yeah,
27:01
Speaker 2: I almost want to say the hain feel of scuff X.
27:03
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
27:04
Speaker 2: It feels feels buttery, almost like old school oil paints, right,
27:08
Speaker 2: say buttery, Buttery feels kind of buttery.
27:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I use buttery. The kids pointing that out the
27:13
Speaker 1: other day, Dad, you use the word butter to describe
27:16
Speaker 1: almost everything that you like. The butter zone. That's like
27:19
Speaker 1: the perfect zone. This was buttery. This went on like
27:22
Speaker 1: butter Yeah, perfect, but it does scuff X has a
27:26
Speaker 1: very different feel. Yeah, And everybody who's well, like my mom,
27:30
Speaker 1: she paints all the time. She always did and she
27:34
Speaker 1: probably always will and she doesn't always. You know, even
27:38
Speaker 1: way before I worked at Repolite, she just get whatever
27:40
Speaker 1: she could get, you know, and she'd paint it on.
27:43
Speaker 1: And we did scuff X at her condo and she would,
27:48
Speaker 1: I mean for that first year, you know, every time
27:50
Speaker 1: people would come over, like we'd have a get together,
27:52
Speaker 1: she'd you'd see her touching the wall and explaining to somebody,
27:55
Speaker 1: feel how smooth it feels. This feels weird, doesn't it
27:58
Speaker 1: feels different? And then she did another her bedroom once,
28:01
Speaker 1: like right after she had everything done, she had to
28:03
Speaker 1: change that color in the bedroom. And she was just
28:04
Speaker 1: crabbing about this the other day. So it's in my mind,
28:07
Speaker 1: and she just grabbed something cheap. She was gonna do
28:09
Speaker 1: it herself. So I don't even yell at her anymore
28:12
Speaker 1: because you can't control her. She's gonna do it her.
28:14
Speaker 1: She's gonna do Oh. She hated it. It didn't feel
28:17
Speaker 1: like scuff acts. It was so ridiculous. So she had
28:19
Speaker 1: to repaint the whole thing with scuff X. Yeah, really
28:22
Speaker 1: different feel.
28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in my mind. I'm a little bit
28:26
Speaker 2: surprised sometimes how much people seem to care about that.
28:29
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, they do really seem to enjoy
28:33
Speaker 2: that feeling of you know, they're run your hands on
28:35
Speaker 2: the wall and it feels like the bottom of a
28:37
Speaker 2: no stick pin.
28:38
Speaker 1: Or it's very different. But that's where you know it's
28:41
Speaker 1: resisting scuffs like crazy. I mean, because you see that.
28:45
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just got to play out for the
28:47
Speaker 1: homeowner in a big way.
28:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I love this stuff.
28:50
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
28:52
Speaker 1: be back with the conclusion of my interview with Keegan Summers.
28:54
Speaker 1: Stay right there.
29:02
Speaker 2: And we're back.
29:02
Speaker 1: You're listening to the recol Light home improvement shows sponsored
29:05
Speaker 1: by Benjamin Moore, and let's jump right back into my
29:08
Speaker 1: interview with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And if
29:11
Speaker 1: you did miss any part of this, remember you can
29:14
Speaker 1: catch the full uncut conversation on our YouTube channel under
29:18
Speaker 1: the Interviews, So go check that out. Anyway, here's more
29:22
Speaker 1: with Keegan Summers. So cabinet repaints, they're a big part
29:25
Speaker 1: of what you do, or at least part of what
29:26
Speaker 1: you do.
29:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say about forty maybe of our profits come
29:30
Speaker 2: from cabinets.
29:30
Speaker 1: Stuff A pretty good thing. And you you reached out
29:35
Speaker 1: to me a couple of weeks ago and said, hey,
29:39
Speaker 1: you don't talk about cabinets a whole lot on the radio.
29:41
Speaker 1: So I thought that's a pretty good idea. So I
29:43
Speaker 1: talked about cabinets on the radio last weekend.
29:45
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't catch your show.
29:47
Speaker 1: Left we cause well you missed out. You missed out,
29:51
Speaker 1: and you've fallen a little bit in my view of
29:55
Speaker 1: who you are as a person. Fair, But so I
29:58
Speaker 1: talked about them. We talked about bas just what the
30:01
Speaker 1: process looks like, laid out a bunch of stuff. You
30:03
Speaker 1: didn't hear it. So that's that's absolutely fair. You live
30:06
Speaker 1: this job after job, I don't, you know. So I'm
30:09
Speaker 1: I've done them, you know, and I know what they're like,
30:11
Speaker 1: but I don't do them forty percent of my job. Sure,
30:15
Speaker 1: you know, So what kind of things, whether you cover
30:18
Speaker 1: something that I covered before or not. You know, when
30:21
Speaker 1: you're thinking about like a DIY or tackling cabinets, what
30:24
Speaker 1: would be just a handful of tips that you'd give
30:26
Speaker 1: out that maybe would help them avoid some mistakes and
30:30
Speaker 1: kind of lead to a great finish.
30:32
Speaker 2: Okay, great the wire. You are probably underestimated the amount
30:37
Speaker 2: of prep that you need to do those cabinets before
30:39
Speaker 2: you start applying even the primer to those cabinets. Our
30:43
Speaker 2: process once we get them back to the shop all
30:46
Speaker 2: to take all the doors off whatever. Once we get
30:48
Speaker 2: them back is to clean them with a water solution
30:51
Speaker 2: like typically simple green maybe or a crudcutter mixed with water,
30:55
Speaker 2: because that helps remove all the food stuffs that might
30:58
Speaker 2: be on there that are water saw but a lot
31:01
Speaker 2: of stuff is not water soluble. You also need to
31:05
Speaker 2: after we wash them with water, we wash them with
31:07
Speaker 2: denatured alcohol, which both helps the water get out of
31:11
Speaker 2: any pores in the wood, helps to evaporate up out
31:13
Speaker 2: of there that might be left there from before, but
31:15
Speaker 2: also dissolves a lot of stuff that the water isn't
31:18
Speaker 2: going to touch, specifically like the hand grease around on
31:21
Speaker 2: the knobs where they start to eventually after a long time,
31:24
Speaker 2: get your gum from where you touch them, and then
31:28
Speaker 2: we do a third cleaning for specifically those gummy areas.
31:32
Speaker 2: We go back with lacqu or thinner. It's also pretty nasty,
31:36
Speaker 2: so if you're going to use it in a confined space,
31:38
Speaker 2: please put a mask on.
31:40
Speaker 1: It's got to be ventilated.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, or do it outside, Yeah, it would be
31:44
Speaker 2: even better.
31:45
Speaker 1: So how long are you cleaning?
31:47
Speaker 2: Like for a typical job, I would say that for
31:51
Speaker 2: like a single kitchen of le let's say it's got
31:54
Speaker 2: thirty cabinet doors in it, or doors and drawers fronts.
31:58
Speaker 2: Probably the we're around like six hours for two of
32:03
Speaker 2: us just cleaning and sanding those cabinets before we ever
32:06
Speaker 2: get ready for paint.
32:07
Speaker 1: So I asked the majority of twelve hours all over tonally. Yeah,
32:11
Speaker 1: their family members are fanning them, trying to wake them up. Yeah,
32:15
Speaker 1: it's not trying to get them to forget that that
32:17
Speaker 1: part happened and that that might be part of their project. Yeah,
32:20
Speaker 1: but that people don't buy into how much the prep takes.
32:23
Speaker 1: And if you don't do the prep, there's so much,
32:26
Speaker 1: so many problems that can play out down the road.
32:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to toob my own horn here on how
32:31
Speaker 2: great of a cabinet painter I am, but doing prep
32:35
Speaker 2: that well and using the heighst of quality products, they
32:39
Speaker 2: should come out of our shop as basically brand new cabinets,
32:43
Speaker 2: and we charge a lot of money for that. No doubt,
32:47
Speaker 2: that's thirty two or thirty plus odd cabinets in your
32:50
Speaker 2: kitchen is probably running you in the four to six
32:54
Speaker 2: thousand dollar range, which is kind of a little bit
32:56
Speaker 2: of sticker shock, I think for some.
32:57
Speaker 1: People how much it's new cabinets new.
33:00
Speaker 2: Cabinets, right, you're looking at thirty thousand dollars or more.
33:03
Speaker 2: Plus you have to live with the inconvenience of having
33:06
Speaker 2: all your cabinets ripped out and your kitchen be non
33:08
Speaker 2: functional while the new ones are getting installed because they'll
33:11
Speaker 2: use your cabinets while I'm take your doors off site
33:14
Speaker 2: and spray them. So we tend to brush and roll
33:17
Speaker 2: the styles and rails, which, again if you don't know
33:21
Speaker 2: at home, are like the little dividers and the bottom
33:24
Speaker 2: piece of your cabinet that runs right underneath the color
33:26
Speaker 2: top and the bottom and frames out the front of
33:28
Speaker 2: the box where the doors bump. The ends of the boxes,
33:32
Speaker 2: though if they're exposed or you've got it, the end
33:35
Speaker 2: of your big pantry that just sticks out facing the
33:37
Speaker 2: limp room. We mask those off and spray those with
33:40
Speaker 2: the little HVOP unit that we bring in there to
33:42
Speaker 2: prevent over spray.
33:43
Speaker 1: All right, all right, so let's shift gears out of
33:45
Speaker 1: painting for a little bit. You know, when you're not painting,
33:48
Speaker 1: you're not on the job site doing stuff. What's life
33:50
Speaker 1: look like for you? You know what? What are the
33:53
Speaker 1: things that matter, the things that you love to do?
33:56
Speaker 2: Well? Mostly I spend time with my kids. You got
34:00
Speaker 2: how many kids I've got to One is a two
34:02
Speaker 2: year old and one is a ten year old. It's
34:05
Speaker 2: a pretty big age girls. Older one is the girl
34:08
Speaker 2: and the younger one is a boy. It could not
34:11
Speaker 2: be not just in age, but could not be more
34:13
Speaker 2: different in personality. My girl is an absolute girly girl,
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Speaker 2: loves lipstick and makeup and has never played a sport
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Speaker 2: in her life that she didn't absolutely loathe you for.
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Speaker 2: Whereas my son, who he's only two and a half,
34:30
Speaker 2: but if he could spend all of his time running
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Speaker 2: around outside and eating bugs and kicking a ball, that's
34:36
Speaker 2: exactly what he would do. So they don't interact with
34:39
Speaker 2: each other much.
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Speaker 1: Oh that they will? They fight? Yeah, sure, sure that'll come.
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Speaker 2: Just most of my time after work I spent leaving
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Speaker 2: my wife a little bit of she was home all day.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do? So you got kids that
34:55
Speaker 1: have completely different interest how do you keep them both
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Speaker 1: entertained at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, let me know when you figured it out. Okay,
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Speaker 2: uh yeah, no, that's uh. My daughter likes games. My
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Speaker 2: two year old is a little bit too young to
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Speaker 2: understand games. But I do do this nice multitask shuffle
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Speaker 2: where I can be playing a game of Una with
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Speaker 2: my daughter and also tackling or wrestling my son with
35:24
Speaker 2: my feet or like kick the ball for him to
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Speaker 2: go chase me.
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, that's working out.
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Speaker 2: You got to find a couple few tricks in there.
35:31
Speaker 2: That's that do some multitasking.
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Speaker 1: So let's shift gears here a little bit. I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about the trades. You know, I love talking
35:38
Speaker 1: about the trades because my kid's an electrician, one of
35:40
Speaker 1: my kids. I've got another one who's teacher. He went
35:44
Speaker 1: the trade route, she went the professional route. So I
35:46
Speaker 1: don't have a horse in either of these races. But
35:49
Speaker 1: you know, you were going to college to be a
35:51
Speaker 1: chemical engineer, pursue the military. Now you're in the trades.
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Speaker 1: You love that. I mean, talk to the people out
35:56
Speaker 1: there who are maybe on the fence. You know, college
35:58
Speaker 1: is expensive, and yet there's still a pretty strong push
36:02
Speaker 1: out there that if you don't go to college, you're
36:05
Speaker 1: missing out. And what do you feel about that?
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Speaker 2: I think that that is wrong. You know the phrase
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Speaker 2: you can't put the cat back in the bag. Right.
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Speaker 2: A lot of kids, especially if you are coming from
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Speaker 2: a lower income family, have to take on student loan
36:20
Speaker 2: debt to go to college in the first place. And
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Speaker 2: I think that there's a pretty big push from those
36:26
Speaker 2: families for those kids to go to college, specifically because
36:28
Speaker 2: they want that kid to break free of the cycle
36:32
Speaker 2: of their lower income lifestyle, right, be the first one
36:35
Speaker 2: in our family to go to college and get a
36:36
Speaker 2: good job. And also, there's no cost to trying trade
36:43
Speaker 2: before you go to college. I'm not going into twenty
36:47
Speaker 2: thousand dollars of student loan debt to go apprentice as
36:49
Speaker 2: an electrician for a little while. Say, you're not going
36:53
Speaker 2: to make great money as an electricians apprentice right when
36:56
Speaker 2: you first start out. Although electricians get prayed really well
37:00
Speaker 2: once you once you got this.
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Speaker 1: License, they get paid pretty well.
37:03
Speaker 2: But you know, there was no harm to when you're
37:06
Speaker 2: nineteen going to see if you enjoy a trade, whatever one.
37:11
Speaker 2: Maybe it seems like it floats your boat before you
37:15
Speaker 2: make that big decision to go spend four years of
37:17
Speaker 2: your life in school. Better to test it out and
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Speaker 2: decide you don't like it than too well wind up
37:25
Speaker 2: like me where you went to college for two and
37:26
Speaker 2: a half years and now I've got exactly, like I said,
37:30
Speaker 2: twenty seven thousand dollars in student loan debt that I'm
37:32
Speaker 2: slowly paying back for half of a degree that I'm
37:36
Speaker 2: not using. All Right, the cat got out of the
37:38
Speaker 2: bag on that.
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Speaker 1: One, now. I And like you talked about at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: you know, you love what you do, not for the money,
37:46
Speaker 1: not you know, not just for the money, not just
37:48
Speaker 1: for whatever, not just that you just I love holding
37:51
Speaker 1: a brush and putting pain on it. Yeah, it makes
37:53
Speaker 1: my world. It's because you're interacting with people you've connected with,
37:56
Speaker 1: that deeper part of what makes a career truly valuable. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: anything else you want to.
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Speaker 2: Throw out there, I'll just say thank you for having me,
38:05
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed this. This went
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Speaker 2: nice and smooth and cool, and I shouldn't have felt
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Speaker 2: nervous when I walked into the studio.
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Speaker 1: Are you nervous when you walked in a little bit
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Speaker 1: I'm intimidating, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You definitely. You just tower over me with that big
38:19
Speaker 2: Bill joke. That's all right, No, it's good. I liked it.
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Speaker 1: I had fun, all right, thanks for being here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you betcham.
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