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David Rasnick on the AIDS and Cancer Hoax | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is June. This is Jim Wolfe The Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas.
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Speaker 2: I have a PhD in chemistry and undergraduate degrees in
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Speaker 2: biology and chemistry, and I worked in the pharmaceutical biotech
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Speaker 2: field for about twenty years. And it was one of
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Speaker 2: two brand new PhD chemists that Habit Laboratories hired in
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight to set up the chemistry group and
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Speaker 2: the diagnostics division, and we did that. I left in
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. I left Abbot to start my first biotech
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Speaker 2: company in California. Moved Insime Systems Products, had that for
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Speaker 2: about ten years, spun it off into I think it
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Speaker 2: was Prototech. I can't remember all the names now, and
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Speaker 2: then eventually I left the pharmaceutical industry for good in
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. And it had to do primarily with
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Speaker 2: what I had seen when I first started at Abbot.
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Speaker 2: One of the vice presidents in the room full of
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Speaker 2: maybe fifteen ephds or whatever, was saying he was thinking
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Speaker 2: about not running an FDA clinical trial for one of
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Speaker 2: the things they were going to market. And he said
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Speaker 2: that right in this room full of all of us,
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Speaker 2: and one of the other executives said, John, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what the guy's name, but let's say it was John.
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Speaker 2: He said, John, Now we can't do that because he
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Speaker 2: knew that he shouldn't have been saying that to the audience,
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Speaker 2: all right, So that struck me immediately, obviously, you know,
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Speaker 2: to see the interaction. But then I just left it alone.
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Speaker 2: I only remembered it years later when I saw other
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Speaker 2: things similar like that and experienced what was going on.
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Speaker 2: And then what really changed me was in the nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 2: mid nineteen eighties with the AID stuff, and because I
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Speaker 2: just moved to San Francisco at nineteen eighties San Francisco
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Speaker 2: Bay Area, of course that's when the AIDS thing started happening,
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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't call that. It's called GRID, gay related
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Speaker 2: immune deficiency at the time. And what a lot of
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Speaker 2: people don't know, and I only learned about it later,
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Speaker 2: working before I met with Peter. Though. Digging into this
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Speaker 2: AID stuff is that the CDC actually knew as early
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Speaker 2: as nineteen eighty two that GRID gave related immune deficiency
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Speaker 2: which later was to AIDS. Was the use of chronic
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Speaker 2: use of recreational drugs among gay men in the nightclubs
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Speaker 2: that Amal of Beutal nitrites, and those are carcinogenic chemicals.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't open a bottle of that stuff outside of
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Speaker 2: a fume hood. And these guys had it in the
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Speaker 2: atmosphere in their nightclubs, and you could see it was
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Speaker 2: like cigarette smoke. You see videos of it, you know
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Speaker 2: of that. So people should not be surprised that they
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Speaker 2: had these horrible things happened to them. And so that
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Speaker 2: was that and then old on.
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Speaker 1: So that drug. Are you referring to poppers?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, puppers. I used the chemical names. Sorry about that
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Speaker 2: amal of beutal nitrite with the poppers, you know. And
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Speaker 2: the CDC understood this as earliest nineteen eighty two, but
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Speaker 2: I didn't learn about that until the later eighties, you know,
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Speaker 2: because I didn't know all this shenanigans and things that
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Speaker 2: were going on. Then in nineteen eighty four, April twenty third,
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, the world changed. Margaret Heckler, the Secretary
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Speaker 2: of Health and Human Services, called Robert Gallo out there
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Speaker 2: that he had discovered the probable cause of AIDS. It
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Speaker 2: was one of his HTLV viruses. He called it HTLV three.
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Speaker 2: Later it was changed to HIV. And I didn't know it.
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Speaker 2: At that time, I assumed, Okay, there's a lot going
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Speaker 2: on here, so I'm a chemist. Aha, a retrovirus this thing,
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Speaker 2: and I knew viruses. They have all these different genes
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Speaker 2: and almost all of them have a proteace, and I
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Speaker 2: was expertal proteations, so I wanted to know what kind
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Speaker 2: of proteations these retroviruses have spartal proteas, so that I
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Speaker 2: had worked on sparal proteases up to that point, but
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Speaker 2: I immediately wanted to start designing inhibitors for spartal proteace
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Speaker 2: to cure AIDS. You know, this is nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 2: That's what went through my mind, that the young chemist
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Speaker 2: was my own company and everything. But I got it
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Speaker 2: was probably three or four months. So I dropped the
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Speaker 2: whole effort because I knew that Abbot had been working
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Speaker 2: on a spartal proteation hipters for some years and there's
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Speaker 2: no way I could catch up with that with my
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Speaker 2: small little company in them. They probably already had someone
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Speaker 2: on the shelf that they would probably be trying. And
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Speaker 2: oddly enough, I met up with one of the guys
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Speaker 2: at Abbot in the early nineteen nineties. I asked him,
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Speaker 2: how many spartal protation hippnters did you have in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four he said three thousand. I was aft mating two.
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Speaker 2: So you said, it was a smart move on my
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Speaker 2: part to drop that entirely. But I still went along
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Speaker 2: with it, you know, And it was the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: And one of the things this another thing that really
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Speaker 2: struck me profoundly was I think it was it was
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Speaker 2: eighty four eighty five. Was nineteen eighty five when we
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Speaker 2: learned about this contagious disease, the viruses causing it and everything,
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Speaker 2: And then it was very clear it had been going
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Speaker 2: on for several years. And here it was in the
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Speaker 2: Bay Area and AIDS AIDS was in the gay community primarily,
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Speaker 2: you know, it didn't cross the street in the Castro
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Speaker 2: District district, and the gay men got keposisar coma, and
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Speaker 2: the heterosexual didn't get kepos sarcoma. They had other things
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Speaker 2: and so and women didn't get it at all, you know.
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Speaker 2: And so nine out of ten AIDS cases were male.
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Speaker 2: You know, here we've had this supposedly sexually transmitted contagious
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Speaker 2: thing going on for six years, you know, and and
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Speaker 2: it was not behaving like a transmissible disease. That was
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Speaker 2: the thing. It was not behaving like a transmissible disease.
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Speaker 2: And so I brought this up once a month a
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Speaker 2: group of US academics, industrial people, a biotech people, pharmaceutical
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Speaker 2: people like nin Tech and my little company and others.
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Speaker 2: We'd meet once a month at University of California, San
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Speaker 2: Francisco for a little seminar, and then after that we
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Speaker 2: would go to the same Chinese restaurant. Was really good
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Speaker 2: every time where we got together. And that's that was
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Speaker 2: really why a lot of us went. Not for the seminars,
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Speaker 2: they're pretty boring, but then we would get to talk
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Speaker 2: to each other, learn about each other, what we're doing,
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Speaker 2: and set up the occasional collaboration. And I set up
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Speaker 2: a really nice one was a guy who was working
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Speaker 2: with parasites in animals and from one of those get togethers,
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Speaker 2: and so it was a nice thing to do. And
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Speaker 2: then I brought to you know, like me, you we talked,
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Speaker 2: scientists talk a lot, you know, share these things. That's
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Speaker 2: why we went to those meetings. And when I I
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Speaker 2: told them the AIDS, I said, I look like it's
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Speaker 2: this contagious disease. Nobody would talk to me all these
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Speaker 2: people I've been talking to for some years, you know,
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Speaker 2: and we would be sharing things. And boy, that struck
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Speaker 2: me that, you know, what's wrong here? And I was
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Speaker 2: able to keep the collaboration with that academic fellow on
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Speaker 2: this one thing that we had already been working on.
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Speaker 2: If we both agreed not to talk about AIDS. That's
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Speaker 2: how I was able to keep a collaboration going, you know.
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Speaker 2: And that was a very very that hit me really hard.
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Speaker 2: So then I went to bookstores, the gay community, the
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Speaker 2: Castro they have all these bookstores, massive bookstores. Of course, AIDS.
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Speaker 2: They had in the bookstores, massive collection of books on AIDS.
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Speaker 2: So I got those and I read those things, and
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Speaker 2: I was learning about it, you know. And then and
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven, of course, that's when Peter Deusberg
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Speaker 2: wrote and invited a paper in cancer Research in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty seven. I didn't see it in eighty seven. I
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Speaker 2: saw it probably the year later, and where he was
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Speaker 2: the world's leading authority on retroviruses and HIV supposedly a retrovirus,
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Speaker 2: and it was like a legal document, point for point
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Speaker 2: for point for point, how retroviruses in general and HIV
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Speaker 2: in particular cannot cause any disease at all. And Peter
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Speaker 2: Dusburg had been doing this and saying this for years,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the eighties, and he continued doing it
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Speaker 2: in the nineties. And right after that nineteen eighty seven
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Speaker 2: paper it was, I think it was nineteen eighty seven, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was nineteen eighty seven in cancer research, he had
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Speaker 2: the Outstanding Investigator grant. You know, he was a tenured professor.
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Speaker 2: He probably would have gotten a Nobel Prize at some point,
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Speaker 2: but right after that paper, his grants, his government funding
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Speaker 2: was stopped, and he had Outstanding Investigator him. I think
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Speaker 2: you were able to keep it for seven years with
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Speaker 2: having to reknew it or something like that. And so
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Speaker 2: that was another thing. Now, I didn't know about Peter
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Speaker 2: Dusburg personally until I got to meet him in nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety three. I went across the bay and I got
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Speaker 2: to see him, and Carrie Mollis was there, so he
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Speaker 2: introduced me to Carry Mollis, the guy invented primrace chain reaction.
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Speaker 2: But then I kept going back to my little companies,
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Speaker 2: you know, and doing my own things. But I just
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Speaker 2: wanted to meet the guy, and I had my fill
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Speaker 2: of the biotech pharmaceutical industry in nineteen ninety six and
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Speaker 2: I just left for good and I went across the
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Speaker 2: Bay to join up with Peter. I wanted help him,
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Speaker 2: support him. I thought maybe for three or four months.
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Speaker 2: So we did it for years, almost two decades. And
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Speaker 2: I tell you you know, he died recently in January, unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: And Joan Shenton is making a movie about the other
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Speaker 2: people are too HD Children's Health Defense. They're they're they're
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Speaker 2: promoting this, telling this story, and so h that was
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Speaker 2: when Peter Dusburg and I joined up and we worked
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Speaker 2: alternately on AIDS and cancer, AIDS and cancer and it
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Speaker 2: was h I think it was nineteen ninety seven. He
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Speaker 2: had no more fun he had. He had some individual
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Speaker 2: rich people in the Bay area who was fund who
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Speaker 2: were funding his lab because he couldn't get government funny
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Speaker 2: for it. Not nearly as much money as the government
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Speaker 2: was paying though, but it kept his lab going. But
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Speaker 2: it was really shrunk down his side, and so Peter
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Speaker 2: finally started. We went to a little coffee shop about
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Speaker 2: a few days maybe a week before he went to Germany.
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Speaker 2: It was across from the campus, and we were talking
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Speaker 2: about things, And I asked, Peter, what are you going
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Speaker 2: to be doing in Germany and the Sabattle And then
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Speaker 2: he told me he was going to look into the
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Speaker 2: hypothesis that unbounced chromosomes caused cancer because the unbounced chromosomes
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Speaker 2: called anuploidy. The connection between anuploidy and cancer went all
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Speaker 2: the way back to the late eighteen hundreds. David Hansoman,
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Speaker 2: who looked at over ten thousand cancer cells with high
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Speaker 2: quality microscopes in late eighteen hundreds. He took pictures of them,
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Speaker 2: He drew pictures of them, and he was very familiar
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Speaker 2: with the normal cells, and then he looked at the
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Speaker 2: cancer cells. Normal cells of the same type always looked
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Speaker 2: the same and they always have the same chromosomes, and
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Speaker 2: the cancer cells all looked different. No, two cancer cells
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Speaker 2: had the same combination of chromosomes in over ten thousand
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Speaker 2: tumors that he looked at cancer cells, I mean cancer
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Speaker 2: cells that were that he had under the microscope, and
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Speaker 2: that has been confirmed since then. No two can't. They're
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Speaker 2: like snowflakes. No, it's like playing a game of chess.
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Speaker 2: There's no to people that are really really good at chess,
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Speaker 2: you know, No two chess games have ever been played
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Speaker 2: exactly the same because of combinations are just so large.
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Speaker 2: So Peter was going. And then there was theod Boveri,
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Speaker 2: who knew a lot about self and he understood he
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Speaker 2: was an expert at development, like from a fertilized egg
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Speaker 2: going to a person, going to a mouse, going to
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Speaker 2: amphibian or whatever. He was good in following this progression
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Speaker 2: of things, and he understood chromosomes too. Nobody knew what
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Speaker 2: chromosomes were in those days, other than they hypothesized that
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Speaker 2: they watched the dividing and they always had equal number
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Speaker 2: that go from when the normal cell divides, they have
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Speaker 2: an equal number of chromosomes going into the two new cells.
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Speaker 2: And so they had a pretty good idea. They had
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Speaker 2: a hypothesis that the instructions you know, these cells used
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Speaker 2: are in those chromosomes. But they didn't know about DNA,
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Speaker 2: and they didn't really know about genes in those days.
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Speaker 2: But they did hypothesize they had to do with developing
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Speaker 2: of these eggs, and he did a number of experiments.
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Speaker 2: In fact, if people, I highly recommend your viewers to
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Speaker 2: go to my website David Rasnick dot com. I have
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Speaker 2: forty years worth of information on there. And if you
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Speaker 2: click at the top one cancer, you can go to
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Speaker 2: the cancer area. We got the aid stuff cancer, and
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Speaker 2: you go to the cancer area, you'll see a picture
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Speaker 2: of David Hanson, and you click on that you'll get
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Speaker 2: a biography of him. You go to Theodore Bovari, you
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Speaker 2: click on his image, you'll get his fifty nine page
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Speaker 2: book which spells out you got it right, and it's
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Speaker 2: in plain language. He by understands English can follow this
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Speaker 2: and get it how the progression of unbalanced chromosomes can
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Speaker 2: explain virtually everything about cancer. Now, this was his hypothesis,
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Speaker 2: and he published this book in nineteen fourteen, and he
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Speaker 2: died in nineteen fifteen unfortunately, and of course World War
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Speaker 2: One started in nineteen fourteen Ovari's death, so he's not
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Speaker 2: around then. He had the Second World War. So his
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Speaker 2: hypothesis or his theory, frankly, I would call it a
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Speaker 2: theory and discuss the difference than those if you want later.
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Speaker 2: And so it never took off. But other people during
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Speaker 2: that time that didn't even know about Bavari, they had
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Speaker 2: witnessed very similar things that came up with their own.
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Speaker 2: Two or three people did, including George Papernicolau papsmir fame,
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Speaker 2: and he didn't come up with a theory, but he
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Speaker 2: came up with the Papsmiria, an automated machine to actually
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Speaker 2: diagnose cancer by counting the chromosomes in the tumor cells.
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Speaker 2: It never went anywhere, and that's a real pity because
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Speaker 2: he got it up in working. But so anyway, what
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Speaker 2: really changed things that long period of two wars and everything.
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Speaker 2: And then nineteen fifty three Watson and Crick discovered the
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Speaker 2: double helical structure of DNA, and of course everybody got
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Speaker 2: all excited. I remember even when that came out. Even
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Speaker 2: I got excited about Wow, DNA's double helical structure of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And I was not very old at those days. I'm
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Speaker 2: just a kid. But as a chemist, I can understand
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Speaker 2: how other people like me that make molecules and this
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Speaker 2: molecules that they get really excited about it. Boy, and
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Speaker 2: now I want to understand this thing. And the genes
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Speaker 2: are in there, you know, and that's that's where all
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Speaker 2: the information comes from. And they knew that cancer cells
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Speaker 2: were annually. They were not stupid about this. They knew
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Speaker 2: their any plot. But they couldn't understand they were not
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Speaker 2: thinking about that how that imbalance and chromosomes would leave
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Speaker 2: to cancer. They were now thinking in terms of molecules
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Speaker 2: and genes because they have the DNA molecule, and from
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Speaker 2: that time on the pharmaceutical industry, which makes molecules, synthesizing patents,
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Speaker 2: molecules are patentable. Then from that day to this day,
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Speaker 2: you know that whole industry is drug based, synthetic drug based,
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Speaker 2: and so in order to have a drug for something,
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Speaker 2: they had to have a target for it. So they're
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Speaker 2: saying that these gene products on the on the DNA
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Speaker 2: gets mutated, you know, and the DNA codes for proteins,
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Speaker 2: primarily my little things that I worked with a lot.
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Speaker 2: So if you get a misspelling in the DNA, you
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Speaker 2: make a mutation in the protein and the protein may
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Speaker 2: function improperly, which can happen, And that that was their
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Speaker 2: hypothesis that they took for years. They call it the
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Speaker 2: gene theory of mutation theory of cancer. That they are
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Speaker 2: mutant genes and that percinogens are things that mutate genes.
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Speaker 2: That was their hypothesis, and then they just look for
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Speaker 2: the particular genes. They look for thousands of them, they
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Speaker 2: look through the whole genome, and it turns out for
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Speaker 2: ten years now public doesn't know this, but it's in
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Speaker 2: the scientific literature. I keep up with it. Obviously it's
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Speaker 2: easy for me to do. But these gene people have
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Speaker 2: known for ten years. We've known a lot of people
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Speaker 2: have known for a lot longer. But I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical people and the academics. People have known for
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Speaker 2: at least ten years. Gene mutations do not cause cancer,
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Speaker 2: and they've been although they still publish about these gene mutations.
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Speaker 2: They still all their literature. They put it in there,
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Speaker 2: believe it or not. They're even looking at chromosomes these days,
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to link the you know, the genes
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Speaker 2: in this chromosome are the problem and the public doesn't
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Speaker 2: know about. So that's why I wrote this book. One
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Speaker 2: of the reasons that I wrote my book was to
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Speaker 2: tell this long.
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Speaker 1: Story, the outsiders advantage. Say that again, the outsiders advantage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my book. See, I should be promoting my
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Speaker 2: book shit, the Outsider's advantage of personal odyssey in the
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Speaker 2: essence of Cancer, And I cover this long story all
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Speaker 2: the way through because it's not just about cancer. It's
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Speaker 2: about the industry, the our healthcare system, the whole thing,
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Speaker 2: all the way from government funding and control of pharmaceutical company,
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Speaker 2: of the trillion dollar industries and cancer and everything else
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Speaker 2: that they're that they're working on. And they're based on molecules.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, they're easy to do, they're patentable, and
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Speaker 2: so they just keep pushing this, keep pushing it, pushing it,
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Speaker 2: pushing it. And of course that was a peer review.
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Speaker 2: If somebody tries to publish a paper that doesn't say
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Speaker 2: any doesn't mention any of the Uncle Jeens, you know,
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Speaker 2: or anything like that, they talking about chromosome get published,
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Speaker 2: you know, and Peter and I are not cited anymore.
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Speaker 2: You know. There was a little over one thousand publications
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Speaker 2: I looked at recently since about two thousand on cancer,
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Speaker 2: and I looked for to mention chromosomes. They mentioned any
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Speaker 2: play about that. Many more papers than a thousand over
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Speaker 2: that period, but the ones that mentioned chromosomes in anyployee,
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Speaker 2: I found two or three that actually cite Peter in me.
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Speaker 2: All right, now, that is normally, you know, here is
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Speaker 2: considered scientific misconduct not to cite the pertinent literature. But
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Speaker 2: they're still keeping our names out of it, totally out
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Speaker 2: of it. And the other people you know that worked
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Speaker 2: on it, they keep their names out of it. That's
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Speaker 2: what we're still going through right now. And my book
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Speaker 2: explains that history and why that's still going on to
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Speaker 2: this day. And I wanted the Pope people to know
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Speaker 2: that and why things aren't going anywhere. I'll give you
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Speaker 2: a chance, asked me some questions.
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Speaker 1: How about, Well, you covered a lot of ground, and
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Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to the age
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Speaker 1: thing and then we'll come then we'll return to cancer,
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Speaker 1: because that's where you started when you were working in
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Speaker 1: the eighties. Fauci also came into his position of power, didn't.
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Speaker 2: He Yeah, he was. In November of nineteen eighty nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty four eighty seven, nineteen eighty seven, Fauchi was made
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Speaker 2: head of Department of NIAID National Institutes of Allergy and
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Speaker 2: Infectious Diseases and his job I didn't know it at
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Speaker 2: that time. I know it now. He was brought in
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Speaker 2: that position to turn non infectious diseases and infection I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: non infectious diseases and non diseases into AIDS. That was
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Speaker 2: his job and he'd been doing that now for forty years.
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Speaker 1: I guess fraudulent from the start.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, from the absolutely from the very beginning, from the
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Speaker 2: eighties until the day he retired and left. All right,
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Speaker 2: he had he came up with age AIDS really hooked,
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Speaker 2: getting a deep and Nity greedy on that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But after that he had the first Stars and the
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Speaker 2: Merseyseeke of the Ebola, you know, and then the second
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Speaker 2: Stars and all that. They're all bogus. They're all fantasy,
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Speaker 2: all fiction. There's no evidence for any of those things.
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Speaker 2: I go back to the age thing here really really quick,
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Speaker 2: because everything that they were doing in AIDS, they did
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Speaker 2: it on steroids. To use a metaphor for everything that
22:53
Speaker 2: followed from that, Antony what was name Bob Gallo, you know,
23:01
Speaker 2: who supposedly discovered the.
23:02
Speaker 1: Cause of with with Luke Montaigne.
23:06
Speaker 2: Luke Monte. Get back to Luke monteue, Well, I'll start
23:08
Speaker 2: off with Luke Monte. Luke Montaigner had taken some tissues
23:13
Speaker 2: from AIDS patients, but he could not isolate viruses. He
23:16
Speaker 2: was not capable of doing that at the time. Certainly
23:19
Speaker 2: couldn't find any viruses in there. But he knew about
23:23
Speaker 2: Robert Gallo, I mean, the guy who's been working with
23:25
Speaker 2: viruses for a long time, that's his thing. So he
23:29
Speaker 2: sent the tissues from these AIDS patients to Robert Gallo
23:34
Speaker 2: to see if he could find the virus in there.
23:36
Speaker 2: Well he didn't. He did not find the virus in there.
23:40
Speaker 2: In fact, I got the literature on this stuff. So
23:43
Speaker 2: he couldn't find any virus. So what he did was
23:46
Speaker 2: he used the same techniques that he used for his
23:48
Speaker 2: other HTLV his HTLV one HTLV two. There were retroviruses
23:55
Speaker 2: that he came up with in his laboratory and he
23:59
Speaker 2: used laboratory to techniques to make these sort of pseudo viruses,
24:04
Speaker 2: you know, And so he he did the same thing
24:09
Speaker 2: with Montagner's sample. He could not culture any virus out
24:13
Speaker 2: of there. So he took a sample of that tissue
24:17
Speaker 2: and he gave them and then he you know, separated
24:19
Speaker 2: the cells and cultured the cells, and he stressed the
24:22
Speaker 2: cells like he did with his HTOV one in HTLV two,
24:26
Speaker 2: such the cells started getting, you know, really toxic and
24:30
Speaker 2: they were just trying to survive, and then they would
24:33
Speaker 2: produce these little mollic these little organelles, they call them
24:36
Speaker 2: exosomes that leaves leave the cells, and they looked like viruses.
24:41
Speaker 2: They have the same little structure, and they have the
24:45
Speaker 2: same dimensions and everything, and all of his htilvs were bogus.
24:50
Speaker 2: He did them all the same way, and so he
24:53
Speaker 2: took that did the same thing with Montigner's cells. It
25:00
Speaker 2: made these exosomes that eventually was called He called it
25:04
Speaker 2: HTLV three because he did the exact same way that
25:07
Speaker 2: he got the other ones with. But then they changed
25:10
Speaker 2: the name to HIV for human immuno deficiency virus, you know.
25:15
Speaker 2: And he didn't attribute any of this to Luke Montagne, see,
25:21
Speaker 2: and then Luke Montagne knew what was going on. So
25:24
Speaker 2: there was this big legal battle, and I don't want
25:26
Speaker 2: to get in all those discussions between the two. Luke
25:28
Speaker 2: Montaigne eventually prevailed and Robert Gallo was tried. It wasn't
25:35
Speaker 2: like a legal trial, but sort of like an academic
25:38
Speaker 2: trial through the NIH something like that. I don't know
25:41
Speaker 2: the details. And he was found guilty of scientific misconduct,
25:46
Speaker 2: lying all that kind of stuff, all right, But the
25:50
Speaker 2: government could not allow him to be found guilty, so
25:56
Speaker 2: they were going to retry him. And you can figure
25:59
Speaker 2: out what was going to go there. The people that
26:01
Speaker 2: found him guilty were not going to retry, and they
26:04
Speaker 2: realized the government is just going to come back in
26:05
Speaker 2: and do the same thing. But it was public knowledge
26:09
Speaker 2: that he'd been found guilty the first time around, so
26:12
Speaker 2: they couldn't have the guy who discovered HIV being convicted
26:18
Speaker 2: of something, you know, and lied and all that. So
26:20
Speaker 2: they had to get him out and get him totally
26:22
Speaker 2: out of the picture. So they moved him out of
26:25
Speaker 2: the NIAI D National Institute's Allergy Infectious Diseases and had
26:29
Speaker 2: him in this comfortable, nice, little big place where he
26:32
Speaker 2: was not involved in the government anymore. And he just
26:36
Speaker 2: stayed over there and he basically was invisible. Like that's
26:41
Speaker 2: how the government does everything. They take stuff they don't
26:45
Speaker 2: want the public to know and make get invisible, whether
26:48
Speaker 2: it's scientific understandings, whether there's people that are doing wrong things,
26:53
Speaker 2: and you know, recently though decades later then it became
26:57
Speaker 2: very very public. Louke Montage was one. Ultimately all right,
27:02
Speaker 2: now I'm going off on these tangents. Where would you
27:04
Speaker 2: like me to go with that?
27:05
Speaker 1: Well, just before we go any further, because you know
27:08
Speaker 1: that the pushback will come and that is this is
27:12
Speaker 1: all based on the assumptions that viruses exist or can
27:16
Speaker 1: be isolated.
27:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But the real key here is that I
27:22
Speaker 2: stay away from that general question. I'm very specific. You know,
27:27
Speaker 2: this virus, what's the evidence for that? You know, it
27:30
Speaker 2: turns out there was no polio virus. You know, that
27:33
Speaker 2: was totally fraught. That was a toxicological problem as well
27:37
Speaker 2: documented now, and so I looked into each one. That's
27:41
Speaker 2: what I did. There was no HIV virus. You say,
27:44
Speaker 2: there's no stars Kobe two virus. I don't. I don't
27:48
Speaker 2: want to say there's no such thing this virus is
27:50
Speaker 2: because frankly, I don't care. The important thing is the
27:53
Speaker 2: ones that are claimed. You know, what's the evidence for
27:56
Speaker 2: this one and that one?
27:58
Speaker 1: You know, and I think that's I think that's scientific.
28:01
Speaker 2: That is scientific. And I tell you I've looked it up.
28:04
Speaker 2: You know, there's no ebola virus. I did a big
28:08
Speaker 2: dive into that. You know, people asked me to look
28:11
Speaker 2: in these things, and the I just tell you just
28:13
Speaker 2: a little bit bit about the really short thing about ebola.
28:17
Speaker 2: One of the things that was publicised, it wasn't publicized,
28:20
Speaker 2: but it was documented. You know, they had all these
28:22
Speaker 2: wars going on in the Congo, always fighting in the Congo,
28:25
Speaker 2: and the Congo is rich and resources and have lots
28:28
Speaker 2: of gold mines and stuff like that. So one I
28:32
Speaker 2: don't know which faction it was, but one of them
28:35
Speaker 2: won and chased off the other people in this gold mine,
28:38
Speaker 2: which was closed. I mean, nobody's working there because of
28:41
Speaker 2: the war and because of the gold mine. Somebody, these guys,
28:45
Speaker 2: the warriors, went into the mind to get some gold
28:48
Speaker 2: if they could get it, you know. And the problem
28:52
Speaker 2: with with it, turns out is that gold is chemically
28:57
Speaker 2: non reactive. So a lot of the things they used
28:59
Speaker 2: to separate gold from all the other stuff to clean
29:02
Speaker 2: it out down there, and she used all of these
29:05
Speaker 2: very very toxic and corrosive chemicals that just dissolve everything
29:10
Speaker 2: and leaves the gold, you know, you can find it. Unfortunately,
29:15
Speaker 2: those things are very very toxic, and these guys just
29:18
Speaker 2: by inhaling it the order and they came out of
29:21
Speaker 2: the gold mine. And these guys got sick and died
29:24
Speaker 2: really fast. But only the guys that went down into
29:27
Speaker 2: the gold the gold mine, you see, And that's just
29:31
Speaker 2: an I looked at that and all of the other
29:34
Speaker 2: so coal like the swine flu and all these other
29:37
Speaker 2: sorts of things. Most of them they come they started
29:40
Speaker 2: like in Africa or some other place where Americans are
29:43
Speaker 2: don't care about and nobody digs down and looks into it.
29:46
Speaker 2: You know, in the United States, other people do. That's
29:48
Speaker 2: why I know about it, that people publish this stuff,
29:50
Speaker 2: but you got to dig down into it and find it.
29:53
Speaker 1: So David, Okay, So going back to HIV in the
29:56
Speaker 1: late eighties when it was so to speak quote unquote
30:02
Speaker 1: discovered amongst the gay community. At the same time, poor
30:09
Speaker 1: black Africans were being labeled as HIV positive.
30:14
Speaker 2: Oh lord, I mean they were just it was all
30:18
Speaker 2: a fraud. Everything was a fraud, the chemicals. Let me
30:25
Speaker 2: go back, first of all with sexual stuff, because the
30:29
Speaker 2: stuff that I that I have can easily explain. Let
30:31
Speaker 2: me start with that. The easy, easy stuff is they
30:36
Speaker 2: took thirty some odd nearly thirty diseases and non diseases
30:42
Speaker 2: before AIDS, and then if you were HIV positive, they
30:46
Speaker 2: changed the definition of those things and they became AIDS.
30:50
Speaker 2: You see, by definition, that's what Fauci had been doing
30:54
Speaker 2: his whole forty years. He takes it like the flu
30:57
Speaker 2: the symptoms of the flu in COVID nineteen or on
31:00
Speaker 2: the CDC's website. Guess what, There was no flutcases in
31:04
Speaker 2: twenty twenty United States, you know, and Fauci had did
31:11
Speaker 2: that his whole career. He would take these things, you know,
31:15
Speaker 2: and they keep adding and women refuse to get AIDS.
31:19
Speaker 2: So in nineteen ninety three, I believe it was the
31:21
Speaker 2: CDC added cervical cancer to the ages defining diseases. If
31:26
Speaker 2: you're HIV positive, all right, But as late as nineteen
31:29
Speaker 2: ninety seven, only one percent of the age cases were
31:32
Speaker 2: cervical cancer. So I think, you know, they've been playing
31:35
Speaker 2: this game for.
31:36
Speaker 1: Decades, and TV's a big one in Africa.
31:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, TV, that's right, Africa. I looked at it and
31:43
Speaker 2: I published this, and I think I put it in
31:46
Speaker 2: my book even it's all around. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
31:50
Speaker 2: I did. I did have my book. You know. They
31:54
Speaker 2: claimed the AIDS came from Africa, you know, and they
31:57
Speaker 2: made all these lies about how many people like when
32:00
Speaker 2: Taboa Becky was president, that died under his presidency from
32:05
Speaker 2: AIDS and everything. And I have documented the increase, the
32:09
Speaker 2: massive population increased during the whole period of AIDS and
32:13
Speaker 2: after AIDS in sub Saharan Africa, you know, I mean
32:17
Speaker 2: they went from like, you know, double the population of
32:24
Speaker 2: the United States. That's how many you know, like sub
32:27
Speaker 2: Saharan Africa they would they would went over to a billion.
32:31
Speaker 2: Other's over a billion people in sub Saharan Africa, you know,
32:34
Speaker 2: and there were roughly around I forget what it was
32:38
Speaker 2: around the population of the United States and South Africa
32:42
Speaker 2: was lower of course that particular state country. And it
32:47
Speaker 2: was a population explosion like three percent or something like that,
32:51
Speaker 2: you know, you know, there was no population declined. It
32:56
Speaker 2: was a massive explosion. Everything they said about AIDS and
33:00
Speaker 2: all the other things that were going on in Africa,
33:03
Speaker 2: they had this popul You cannot have these population explosions
33:06
Speaker 2: going on if all these other things are true.
33:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically what you're saying is that they were
33:11
Speaker 1: they were just labeling various illnesses as AIDS.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And people don't know this. It's also in
33:19
Speaker 2: my book. There are two different definitions of AIDS. One
33:23
Speaker 2: for the industrial part of the world, where HIV is
33:25
Speaker 2: part of the definition, and they have like thirty some
33:27
Speaker 2: odd diseases that the Westerners get. If your HIV positive
33:31
Speaker 2: your AIDS and Africa HIV is not have been part
33:34
Speaker 2: of the definition of ADS. It's fever, diarrhea, persistent cough,
33:38
Speaker 2: weight loss in TB. Those are the diseases of poverty
33:41
Speaker 2: and malnutrition. You know, they're the standard things that always
33:45
Speaker 2: happen to the people down there. So uh, you know,
33:49
Speaker 2: they've relabeled it, just like Robert Gallo, I mean, Fauci
33:53
Speaker 2: relabeled the Western Diseases is AIDS well. The World Health
33:59
Speaker 2: Organs met in Bangui, the capital of Central African Republic,
34:05
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty five. I think it was they came
34:08
Speaker 2: up with the definition made in Africa and those diseases
34:11
Speaker 2: poverty and malnutrition, and they had to have an AIDS
34:14
Speaker 2: epidemic in Africa because that's where the United States said
34:17
Speaker 2: it came from. That's why they had in nineteen eighty five.
34:21
Speaker 2: They had to come up with that definition really really quick.
34:25
Speaker 2: But you said, because its Africa and America is not
34:28
Speaker 2: paying attention, you can lie or you want to about Africa.
34:31
Speaker 2: I bets you most everything that is in mainstream media
34:35
Speaker 2: about Africa is a lie. That'd be my guest, because
34:38
Speaker 2: everything they talk about diseases is a lie.
34:42
Speaker 1: So this matter is to me though, because I live
34:44
Speaker 1: in South Africa. South Africa was pretty much the epicenter
34:47
Speaker 1: of AIDS internationally, and you have a history also with
34:52
Speaker 1: South Africa and president, former President Tavin Beaky who was
34:56
Speaker 1: removed because of his position on HIV AIDS.
34:59
Speaker 2: Where right, And I actually I was on this one
35:03
Speaker 2: of the members of his AGE Advisory Panel. I think
35:06
Speaker 2: it was two thousand and one.
35:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got the I've actually got the AGE Report
35:11
Speaker 1: in which, by the way, I think on page fifteen
35:14
Speaker 1: it recommends against PC artists.
35:17
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, my cat's buggin and she wants to
35:23
Speaker 2: be part of this conversation.
35:25
Speaker 1: And that was in two thousand and one.
35:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and uh, you know, and they had
35:31
Speaker 2: all these campaigns. There was a Treatment Action Campaign THC
35:36
Speaker 2: was well funded by probably yeah, by by a lot
35:40
Speaker 2: of different people, and they were anti a banky and
35:44
Speaker 2: I put that in my book too, about what was
35:46
Speaker 2: going on there and oh this God, there's so many
35:50
Speaker 2: crazy things, crazy crazy things. Uh. And there was this
35:55
Speaker 2: huge political push and I guarantee the United States was
35:58
Speaker 2: funding a lot of this stuff and trying to keep
36:02
Speaker 2: this thing going and try and put pressure on taboone
36:05
Speaker 2: baking because they destroyed his aid's advisory panel. He went there,
36:09
Speaker 2: you know, had two thirds of the panel where mainstream
36:12
Speaker 2: AIDS people and then one third were critics like me,
36:17
Speaker 2: Peter Boozberg and other people, and they never allowed it
36:21
Speaker 2: to happen. We could not have a discussion. I put
36:24
Speaker 2: this in my book too, where it was I think
36:27
Speaker 2: a three day meeting and we were just about ready
36:31
Speaker 2: to get this thing started when three black Americans, very
36:37
Speaker 2: dark black Southern Africa is sort of a brown, not
36:40
Speaker 2: a black, but three very dark black Americans, all dressed
36:44
Speaker 2: the same, very dark suits, came in, no names, no nothing.
36:47
Speaker 2: They sat down and the whole thing almost came tumbling
36:52
Speaker 2: down at that point because the people, like the critics
36:56
Speaker 2: of Becky's people, the government wanted to know who these
36:58
Speaker 2: people were, you know, and and uh so they toned
37:05
Speaker 2: it down because eventually somebody from a Becky's office was
37:09
Speaker 2: sent down there and said, uh that these guys at
37:13
Speaker 2: the government President of United States asked that these guys
37:17
Speaker 2: be there, sir Mike. Mike personal feeling is that these
37:21
Speaker 2: very uh big guys at somber guys was no I
37:26
Speaker 2: d no name tags or anything. I think they were
37:29
Speaker 2: there to be a very big sign of keep your
37:31
Speaker 2: mouth shut, because that's exactly what happened, and especially the mainstreamers,
37:38
Speaker 2: because they knew they couldn't keep us shut, our mouth shut,
37:41
Speaker 2: you know, the critics of what was going on, and
37:44
Speaker 2: uh so uh that we started to go. You know,
37:49
Speaker 2: Peter Dewsburg was going to give the very first presentation
37:53
Speaker 2: and one of the mainstreamers on the panel said, no, no, no,
37:56
Speaker 2: no presentation of data. Can you believe that? You know,
38:00
Speaker 2: now the public, American public doesn't know this if they'd
38:03
Speaker 2: just seen that, and in fact that one of the
38:06
Speaker 2: local television stations had permission they wanted to present this
38:12
Speaker 2: live to the people of South Africa. And the president
38:15
Speaker 2: said fine, the government said fine. The mainstreamer said, no,
38:18
Speaker 2: can't do this.
38:19
Speaker 1: I've actually got I've actually got a video portion from
38:23
Speaker 1: that event and you can see it's a complete shambles.
38:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there were some the government said the government
38:30
Speaker 2: was there themselves, were videoing the whole thing the whole time.
38:35
Speaker 2: In fact, we were told, the panelists members were told
38:37
Speaker 2: that one day that that was going to be made
38:39
Speaker 2: available to the people of South Africa. Of course, that
38:41
Speaker 2: has not happened.
38:42
Speaker 1: What you're arguing and have argued, is that HIV does
38:49
Speaker 1: not cause AIDS, and even if HIV did exist, it
38:51
Speaker 1: doesn't cause AIDS because AIDS is just a collection of
38:55
Speaker 1: illnesses and there's no collective agreement internationally on what it
38:59
Speaker 1: even means.
39:00
Speaker 2: It doesn't behave like a contagious infectious disease at all.
39:03
Speaker 2: And get into that. Let me tell you this all
39:07
Speaker 2: you have to do, and I have them the package
39:09
Speaker 2: inserts to come with all the HIV tests, sorrows and
39:13
Speaker 2: other stuff all the way down that it says that
39:16
Speaker 2: for example, the antibody test, HIV antibody test, also the
39:20
Speaker 2: pc R, but the HIV antibody tests to go in there.
39:24
Speaker 2: There's big long package insert that comes with it, and
39:26
Speaker 2: you go down there and you look at particulars so
39:29
Speaker 2: you can see how effective it is and everything, and
39:31
Speaker 2: they say specifically in there they had no authentic reference
39:35
Speaker 2: sample of HIV to validate the test. That's not exact quote.
39:41
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact quote, but that's what they say,
39:43
Speaker 2: and I have it. I use it a lot of
39:45
Speaker 2: presentations and even legal cases show it to people, and
39:49
Speaker 2: we want a number of cases just by showing the
39:52
Speaker 2: package inserts to come with the HIV antibody test, and
39:56
Speaker 2: it says that says they had no way to validate
40:00
Speaker 2: the test. They had no HIV to compare the test against.
40:05
Speaker 2: That they assumed, they used the word assume that one
40:08
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the people who were positive were infected
40:12
Speaker 2: with HIV. And if they were looking for they were
40:15
Speaker 2: looking for HIV. They were looking for your antibodies that react,
40:18
Speaker 2: you know, stick to HIV, all right. That happens a lot.
40:22
Speaker 2: And I can even go that's even tight trated, that's
40:25
Speaker 2: even made to produce a certain number of HIV positive people.
40:29
Speaker 2: So they had no way to validate any positive result,
40:35
Speaker 2: which also means they had no way to validate a
40:37
Speaker 2: negative result. But with the positive, the people the hundred
40:42
Speaker 2: they assumed that, you know, there were that these people
40:45
Speaker 2: that were positive, they were assumed all one hundred percent
40:47
Speaker 2: of them they had the disease, were infected, all right,
40:52
Speaker 2: And they had something like ninety nine points something false negative.
40:58
Speaker 2: And that was I forget get how they did that.
41:01
Speaker 2: They had no way, no way to validate it, but
41:03
Speaker 2: I think they had They had some I can't remember
41:06
Speaker 2: what it was, but it's in the package in serve. Anyway,
41:09
Speaker 2: they had no way to validate the test. They had
41:12
Speaker 2: no way to do that with the pc R, They
41:14
Speaker 2: had no way to do that with the SARS, the
41:16
Speaker 2: murders the beak of the ebola or the SARS Kobe two.
41:21
Speaker 2: And it says so in the CDC on their website
41:24
Speaker 2: to this day says there was no uh. I forget
41:28
Speaker 2: the words they used, No uh, sars kobe Yeah, sorry,
41:34
Speaker 2: no not. What's it called the virus itself? Not SARS
41:37
Speaker 2: kobe two. Yeah, I guess it was. Anyway, there was
41:40
Speaker 2: no virus available for them to validate their antibody tests.
41:46
Speaker 1: So what are they so? What are they using? They're
41:48
Speaker 1: just making it up, making it up.
41:51
Speaker 2: In fact, the I tell you about these tests, the tests,
41:55
Speaker 2: you know, I was in the pharmaceutical industry and the
41:57
Speaker 2: diagnostics division, so I understand procedure. Normally, when you take
42:02
Speaker 2: a patient sample, you want to keep it as concentrated
42:05
Speaker 2: as possible. In other words, you don't want to loot
42:07
Speaker 2: out any poison or path of gener or whatever like that, bacteria, anything,
42:12
Speaker 2: and so you take a sample either use it neat
42:14
Speaker 2: like a swab from your mouth, or if you have
42:17
Speaker 2: to put it like in a dish. You just dilute
42:19
Speaker 2: it with buffer or something, or just a small amount
42:24
Speaker 2: before you actually do the test, so that you can
42:28
Speaker 2: make sure you find this thing. Well, the package inserts
42:32
Speaker 2: direct you you have to dilute the blood sample four
42:36
Speaker 2: hundredfold before you do the test. Typically it's like two folds,
42:42
Speaker 2: maybe four fold, but it's four hundredfold all right now.
42:48
Speaker 2: And I tell I think this was a titration. What
42:51
Speaker 2: do I mean by titration? You set the rules based
42:55
Speaker 2: on what the outcome you want to get. Why was
42:58
Speaker 2: it four hundred not two hundred or three hundred? You know?
43:01
Speaker 2: So they wanted to know. And all you got to
43:04
Speaker 2: do is look at my website. I have it on
43:06
Speaker 2: my website under AIDS that the number, you know, infectious
43:10
Speaker 2: diseases come up really fast like a flu or something,
43:14
Speaker 2: and then go down in months. You know. That's how
43:16
Speaker 2: they always do. They come up, they go away, come up,
43:19
Speaker 2: they go away. Well for the twenty thirty years, I
43:24
Speaker 2: stopped looking. After twenty years, the government numbers of AIDS
43:31
Speaker 2: patients people living with HIV put it this way, people
43:34
Speaker 2: living with HIV in the United States was one million
43:38
Speaker 2: plus a minus one hundred thousand. I have a little
43:41
Speaker 2: graph of it on my website under AIDS. All right,
43:44
Speaker 2: there's no infectious disease in the world. It does that,
43:47
Speaker 2: you know, it stays constant like that, But AIDS does
43:51
Speaker 2: that one million number has been constant since since nineteen
43:55
Speaker 2: eighty four or eighty five, you know, And it goes
43:58
Speaker 2: up a little bit, goes down.
43:59
Speaker 1: A little bit, right, hold on Conday, use account all
44:02
Speaker 1: even say yes, but it's because of ROVs.
44:06
Speaker 2: Ar vs at your retrorail. No, it should go down
44:11
Speaker 2: if it was going to do any if any therapy
44:13
Speaker 2: was working, it should go down. It's just stayed constant.
44:18
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with the therapies. It has to
44:20
Speaker 2: do with the tests, you see. So my theory hypothesis
44:25
Speaker 2: was that's where that four hundred full thing came from,
44:29
Speaker 2: and that's still in there to do it so that
44:31
Speaker 2: maintains this constant number if you're going to do that.
44:36
Speaker 2: The other thing is like Asians have the lowest. It's
44:39
Speaker 2: a racial thing. Asians have the lowest anybody level constant
44:46
Speaker 2: anybody level for HIV Africans, people of black Africans have
44:52
Speaker 2: the highest, and Westerners are sort of intermediate in there.
44:58
Speaker 2: But isn't it.
44:59
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? Sorry for interrupting that. Former South African
45:02
Speaker 1: president Tabin Bak he said that AIDS is a disease
45:06
Speaker 1: of poverty.
45:09
Speaker 2: Yes, but you want to get into that right now,
45:16
Speaker 2: not really a disease of poverty. I mean, he was
45:20
Speaker 2: a president and he saw poverty, and he saw the
45:22
Speaker 2: sick people. You know, he attached the word AIDS to it.
45:27
Speaker 2: You know, number these people are sick. Yeah, yeah, you
45:30
Speaker 2: know they're the ones that get the age defining diseases
45:33
Speaker 2: in Africa, fever, diarrhea, persistent calfweight loss in TV. Those
45:36
Speaker 2: are the poor people, all right. So in a way,
45:40
Speaker 2: if you're changing the name of those diseases to AIDS,
45:43
Speaker 2: it is a disease of poverty. But I mean you
45:47
Speaker 2: played these games, you know, you go back and forth.
45:50
Speaker 1: I mentioned VS aero VS. If I remember correct. He
45:53
Speaker 1: started out.
45:54
Speaker 2: Viral drugs for people.
45:56
Speaker 1: Yes, they started out as a cancer therapy, a chemotherapy
46:02
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. So there's an interesting link to cancer.
46:05
Speaker 2: Yes. So AZT was the first.
46:08
Speaker 1: One and that was given to Freddy Mercury.
46:12
Speaker 2: Freddy Mercury, Yeah, he was given me, Yeah.
46:15
Speaker 1: He was he was a singer of Queen who supposedly
46:18
Speaker 1: died of aides, but Judy Mikowitz argues that he died
46:23
Speaker 1: of AZAT. He was given fifteen hundred minigrams per day.
46:27
Speaker 2: Oh Lord, that's horrible. Yeah, John Lawrence, and he's a journalist.
46:32
Speaker 2: He's no longer with us anymore. He told me personally,
46:35
Speaker 2: and he's written about this too, but he told me personally.
46:37
Speaker 2: AZT in the late eighties, early nineties. Still three hundred
46:41
Speaker 2: and thirty thousand gay men in the United States and
46:44
Speaker 2: it's still az T. Let me go into the AZT story.
46:48
Speaker 2: Zitothimony has lots of other different names. It was developed
46:52
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties as chemotherapy for cancer. You know,
46:57
Speaker 2: is very very toxic. It's so toxic that they never
47:02
Speaker 2: even bothered to patent it. Now, think about that pharmaceutical company.
47:05
Speaker 2: Guys developing things, they patent everything. It was so toxic
47:10
Speaker 2: they didn't even patent it. That's why they could use it.
47:13
Speaker 2: It was not patented, but they wanted but they for cancer.
47:17
Speaker 2: But they eventually, I think they did patent it for
47:19
Speaker 2: AIDS and and the bottle of it. Peter Deusburg ordered
47:26
Speaker 2: a bottle of AZT and he showed me the label,
47:28
Speaker 2: and I even have it on my website that if
47:31
Speaker 2: you're a scientist, a researcher and you get a bottle
47:33
Speaker 2: of it, comes to skulling crossbones on on on the label,
47:37
Speaker 2: you know, and if you use it, go see it.
47:41
Speaker 2: You know, if you get contact with it, go see
47:44
Speaker 2: a doctor or something, take care of it real quick.
47:46
Speaker 2: And they tell the problems that it could cause, you know,
47:49
Speaker 2: skulling crossbones. They didn't put that on the on the
47:51
Speaker 2: AZT bottle. They gave these HIV positive gay guys or
47:55
Speaker 2: HIV and they killed, like I say, you know, over
48:00
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands, you know, and who knows if it's
48:03
Speaker 2: in the millions. I have no idea what the other
48:06
Speaker 2: things do. That's just one drug, one drug, AZD. Yeah,
48:09
Speaker 2: So I don't know what else to say about AZD
48:14
Speaker 2: other than they knew.
48:15
Speaker 1: It was lethal cancer. You were making the point earlier
48:20
Speaker 1: that then it's not genetic. Does that mean it's metabolical? Environmental?
48:27
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so, what causes it? Carcinogens? That's easy word
48:31
Speaker 2: to say, you know, but what are carcinogens? I think
48:34
Speaker 2: about asbestos, a lot of chemicals that cigarette smoke these
48:42
Speaker 2: are things, and what do they do. These carcinogens disrupt
48:47
Speaker 2: the separation of the DNA during cell division, the chromosomes
48:51
Speaker 2: during cell division. Every carcinogen that has ever been evaluated
48:56
Speaker 2: as a carcentergen blocks the balance separation of chromosomes. And
49:02
Speaker 2: it's and that's that's what that's what gets it started.
49:06
Speaker 2: It could be X rays, you know, when you have
49:09
Speaker 2: extra Every time you get an X ray, you're disrupting
49:11
Speaker 2: the cells in your body. That's they screws up with
49:14
Speaker 2: the separation of chromosome. All carcinogens screwed up with a
49:18
Speaker 2: balanced separation of chromosomes. And that's how all cancers start.
49:23
Speaker 2: They all start with an imbalanced number unbalanced number of chromosomes.
49:29
Speaker 1: But then how do you explain what appears to be
49:33
Speaker 1: a genetic cancer. Let's say brast cancer and they'll say, well,
49:38
Speaker 1: my mother had it, and therefore the daughter's likely to
49:40
Speaker 1: have it.
49:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you could do this about anything, you know,
49:45
Speaker 2: if you have a family of smokers, you know, smokes cigarettes,
49:49
Speaker 2: you know, and you can say, okay, it was your family,
49:52
Speaker 2: must have been the food you're eating, it must have
49:54
Speaker 2: been the air you're breathing. But they don't really say
49:57
Speaker 2: what about the cigarettes you were smoking, you know? Or
50:00
Speaker 2: what about the glac estate that you're working with? You know?
50:04
Speaker 2: Uh and uh. And also it's the region. You can
50:09
Speaker 2: make all these associations, but they don't prove anything. They're
50:13
Speaker 2: just the start a hypothesis to look into and when
50:17
Speaker 2: you look into it, really dig into it, it's not
50:21
Speaker 2: people really really looked into it. The gene mutation people
50:25
Speaker 2: have now for decades and they have not found a
50:28
Speaker 2: single gene mutation, not one. Got I've got this quoted,
50:33
Speaker 2: you know, and the people have happened in the industry
50:36
Speaker 2: are open about it now for ten years. There's no
50:39
Speaker 2: such thing as a cancer causing gene. They haven't found any.
50:43
Speaker 1: So I had the pleasure of interviewing Thomas Seafeet and
50:48
Speaker 1: he argues something similar to you. He says that it's
50:50
Speaker 1: not genetic. He says that it's metabolic and that and
50:53
Speaker 1: that a keitogenic diet, for example, is quite helpful in
50:57
Speaker 1: reduced is it. Do you agree with that?
50:59
Speaker 2: Yeah? The thing that the only disagreement and I've never
51:03
Speaker 2: even really talked to him, but just some people that
51:05
Speaker 2: are bringing his point of view. Everything he says about
51:09
Speaker 2: that the whole thing about cancer and the glycolsis business
51:13
Speaker 2: and all that, which I totally agree with. What was
51:16
Speaker 2: Auto Warburg recognized and published on what's now called the
51:21
Speaker 2: Warburg Effect, I think it was nineteen thirty six or
51:24
Speaker 2: something like that, where he noticed that the normal energy
51:29
Speaker 2: source of cells, the cancer cells, are not like normal
51:33
Speaker 2: healthy cells in humans. In fact, they shut down the
51:36
Speaker 2: cancer cells shut down the mitochondria that they're the energy
51:41
Speaker 2: producing factories in our cells. All right, we also have
51:44
Speaker 2: an ancient fermentation source in our body too. It's called glycolsis.
51:51
Speaker 2: Glycolosis is what bacterias other organisms do. If you want
51:55
Speaker 2: to convert sugar into wine or beer or something like that,
51:59
Speaker 2: or whiskey, you have glycolosis that turns that glucose into ethanol. Well,
52:05
Speaker 2: the glycolysis. We also have that capacity in our body,
52:09
Speaker 2: and the cancer cells rely on glycolosis to turn glucose
52:15
Speaker 2: into energy atp you call it ATP, and it's two
52:19
Speaker 2: hundred times faster. The glycolysis is two hundred times faster
52:23
Speaker 2: than the mitochondria. Mitochondria much more efficient. You get much
52:27
Speaker 2: bigger bangs or your book than you do with glycolosis.
52:30
Speaker 2: But glycolosi is like a fire hose. It just puts
52:32
Speaker 2: it out there really really fast. All right. And now
52:37
Speaker 2: we're getting to the point where I disagree with the
52:40
Speaker 2: seaphree that when it talks about aniuploidy. My big thing
52:46
Speaker 2: is all cancer cells are an all cancer c annuploidy
52:51
Speaker 2: is what causes every aspect, including glycolois, you.
52:55
Speaker 1: Know, which is that imbalance?
52:59
Speaker 2: Yes, and se I don't know if Sefford himself because
53:03
Speaker 2: I haven't communicated with him, but people that know him personally,
53:07
Speaker 2: you know, I've worked with him, says that the glycolosis
53:12
Speaker 2: is what causes the annuplad Now, I don't know that
53:15
Speaker 2: Seffred himself says that, but that's I had a debate
53:20
Speaker 2: a couple of debates with people on that. And if
53:23
Speaker 2: that were true, then there should what comes first. You
53:27
Speaker 2: say that, That's all you gotta do is look at
53:28
Speaker 2: the earliest stage of the cancer. See what comes first.
53:32
Speaker 2: The earliest thing in all cancers and pre cancers is annuplating,
53:37
Speaker 2: no exception, all right, not glycolosis. Glycolosis is a result
53:43
Speaker 2: of annuplating, and it's very very simple once you see it.
53:48
Speaker 2: The cancer cells typical cancer cells have seventy percent more
53:53
Speaker 2: DNA seventy percent on average the range in there, you know,
53:57
Speaker 2: seventy percent more DNA, except because they have seventy percent
54:01
Speaker 2: more chromosomes than normal cells, which is the DNA, and
54:06
Speaker 2: the relative proportions of the DNA to RNA to protein
54:12
Speaker 2: in a cell are constant. In other words, if you
54:15
Speaker 2: double the amount of DNA in your cell, you double
54:18
Speaker 2: the amount of RNA in your cell, you double the
54:21
Speaker 2: amount of protein. Now you have a nucleus that Tapernicolile
54:26
Speaker 2: was using to look at. He was looking with a
54:27
Speaker 2: light microscope. You can see large nucleuses of cancer cells
54:32
Speaker 2: are much larger than normal cells, and they're abnormal looking,
54:35
Speaker 2: and that's because they have so many extra chromosomes in there.
54:38
Speaker 2: And the whole, the cell as a whole, cancer cell
54:41
Speaker 2: as the whole is shrinking as a whole, But the
54:43
Speaker 2: nucleus is getting bigger and bigger, and the mitochondria are
54:47
Speaker 2: the next largest thing compared to the nucleus. So they
54:50
Speaker 2: can come and go it will, and they do it
54:52
Speaker 2: all the time. In the healthy cells that mitochondria can
54:56
Speaker 2: reproduce and they can go away, and they go away
54:59
Speaker 2: in cancer cells to make room for all the extra stuff.
55:03
Speaker 2: The protein, the chromosomes is getting very very crowded in there.
55:09
Speaker 2: But the cell has to have energy, so they can't
55:12
Speaker 2: rely on the mitochondria because mitochondria can't work in such
55:15
Speaker 2: a small area, they can't even survive. So they rely
55:18
Speaker 2: on glycolysis, which two hundred times faster, you see. So
55:22
Speaker 2: it's the anuploidy that is the cause of the glycolysis.
55:28
Speaker 2: It needs a source of energy. There's no room for
55:31
Speaker 2: the mitochondria. That's why the mitochondrias shrivel and start leaving
55:37
Speaker 2: in the cancer cells, and then glycolysis. It just goes
55:41
Speaker 2: up ruined fresh. And glycolysis is the achilles heel of
55:45
Speaker 2: all cancer that I'm aware of, you know, certainly all
55:48
Speaker 2: solid termbers. I haven't looked into it for the blood cancers,
55:53
Speaker 2: but probably true there too.
55:55
Speaker 1: But it is a good idea. So it is a
55:56
Speaker 1: good idea though to keep your sugar intake low, Yes,
56:00
Speaker 1: don't write.
56:02
Speaker 2: Certainly glucose has an absolute requirement for glucose, and that
56:06
Speaker 2: is the achilles heel of all of all cancer, all right,
56:09
Speaker 2: And that's what those things like ivermectins and bendazole, some
56:12
Speaker 2: of these other things. Uh, cancer has so many achilles
56:16
Speaker 2: heels that glycolysis is one of the biggest ones, you know,
56:20
Speaker 2: and they've known this for a long long time since
56:21
Speaker 2: out of Warburg. But it's easy to deal with, you know,
56:27
Speaker 2: you can do it with these very inexpensive drugs. And
56:32
Speaker 2: so that's that's basically it. You know. So traumosomes is
56:37
Speaker 2: what makes all the difference.
56:40
Speaker 1: How effective is chemotherapy.
56:43
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very effective at killing people. It's the sixth
56:48
Speaker 2: leading cause of cancer. So it's very effective at those things. Uh,
56:53
Speaker 2: it had it has no therapeutic effect at all, benefit
56:58
Speaker 2: at all. It should all stop immediately all chemotherapy and radiation.
57:03
Speaker 2: They're totally lethal. They're lethal, they're harmful, they have no
57:07
Speaker 2: beneficial effects. What all zero? All right, and that's a
57:13
Speaker 2: very good reason to keep me shut up, you know,
57:16
Speaker 2: and to keep the other people who want to you know.
57:21
Speaker 1: But you know that the count response is Ah, but David,
57:24
Speaker 1: I know somebody who went through chemotherapy and they cancel
57:28
Speaker 1: went into remission.
57:30
Speaker 2: Yeah for how long? How long? How long was the remission? Okay,
57:39
Speaker 2: let me give you the numbers, the current numbers, and
57:44
Speaker 2: they're going down of people. It's the five year survival rate,
57:49
Speaker 2: which they keep every year. You know, you can get
57:51
Speaker 2: the data. The five year survival rate on chemo the
57:56
Speaker 2: people taking chemo therapy the standard treatments is two to
58:00
Speaker 2: three percent for five years, two to three percent. All right.
58:07
Speaker 2: Coli'S toxin, which I haven't talked about yet. We talk
58:10
Speaker 2: about William Coley a little bit if you want to,
58:12
Speaker 2: and these other non toxic things, but Coli'S toxin has
58:16
Speaker 2: his daughter he went around. I'll tell the details about
58:19
Speaker 2: what it is. At the moment, I should tell the story.
58:22
Speaker 2: He was using this now for years. He was an
58:25
Speaker 2: oncologist in New York. He's a physician, and he had
58:29
Speaker 2: been treating and other people had been using what are
58:32
Speaker 2: called Coli toxins or mixed bacterial toxins over the decades.
58:37
Speaker 2: His daughter compiled the data from all over the world
58:41
Speaker 2: people are using his method, and the five year survival
58:46
Speaker 2: rate of people taking Coli'S talks and cancer patients is
58:49
Speaker 2: fifty percent, not two percent, not three percent, fifty percent,
58:55
Speaker 2: all right. And the only way that I've been able
58:59
Speaker 2: to find the use of Coli'S toxic in the United
59:02
Speaker 2: States is if people are simultaneously taking demote therapy. But
59:06
Speaker 2: if you go to Europe, if you go to Mexico,
59:09
Speaker 2: they use these non toxic therapies for people, and it's
59:14
Speaker 2: becoming more popular now. I mean now, the glacolsist thing
59:19
Speaker 2: now is all the rage. Thank goodness, Finally it's getting
59:22
Speaker 2: out there. It's been known since nineteen thirty six.
59:28
Speaker 1: David, this is actually a topic that's way bigger than
59:32
Speaker 1: one hour, and time is now against us. I'm wondering
59:35
Speaker 1: if you'd be so kind as to return for a
59:39
Speaker 1: second conversation so we can unpack some of this even more.
59:42
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to. I know, it's a long story.
59:44
Speaker 2: Each one of these stories is a long story.
59:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, fantastic. Okay, So then for now,
59:52
Speaker 1: how can my audience follow your work?
59:54
Speaker 2: You can go to my website. It's David Rasnik dot com.
59:59
Speaker 2: Has forty year's worth of information on there, and I
1:00:03
Speaker 2: keep it updated on a regular basis. Some of my
1:00:06
Speaker 2: books you could get download them from their papers. I've
1:00:11
Speaker 2: had various different links like to cancer into aids, and
1:00:15
Speaker 2: I've got tons and tons of information and data. You
1:00:18
Speaker 2: just to keep going deeper and deeper as you took
1:00:21
Speaker 2: on these icons and so you can learn about William Coley,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: Peter Diusburg, the AID stuff, the cancer, all the tests
1:00:32
Speaker 2: on HIV, those things I was telling you about the
1:00:34
Speaker 2: information I've got on there, about how bogus are, and
1:00:40
Speaker 2: lots and lots of stuff, these lots of videos. I've
1:00:42
Speaker 2: been doing tons of these things even before my book
1:00:45
Speaker 2: came out, but now it's exhausting me. But I'm not complaining,
1:00:50
Speaker 2: all right.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, to David Reisnick, thank you for
1:00:53
Speaker 1: joining me in the trenches.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: Nay erm Haple