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What Happened To Virginia Roberts Millions? · DEADBUG SAYS

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  [SPEAKER_01]: The more you look into this Virginia, to free case when the monies that she's left behind, which is apparently now only worth $311,000 American dollars.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's truly a mystery.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Virginia, to free is the former Virginia Roberts of Jeffrey Epstein, Infamy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: which is baffling because in one of her many payouts she received $12 million from Prince Andrew, which is now the disgraced former thook of you all, and she reputedly received three times that amount from Epstein, the pedophile finance him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She was commanding up to a million dollars for television interviews.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She wrote a book.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now her family, not surprisingly, are at war over her well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Virginia Free's family has claimed that her state, and total, as mentioned, is only worth 312,000 American.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is a drop in the bucket to which she reputedly had made, which is raising questions to what happened to the 12 million, and that's at least 12 million, and that's only the 12 million, and they say she refutably could have received three times that, from Jeffrey Epstein's Victim Fund.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So where's that 12 million?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that 12 million, of course, is one of the few settlements that's documented.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Pay to a by-print's ender.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you're free, 41 died of suicide, at a home in Western Australia in April.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, I without a will, and, of course, not surprisingly, this ignited, you know, a better legal fight over assets, which, again, had been speculated to be at least 22 million.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least, this is on paper.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: She'd received five settlement payments in relation to Epstein's sex trafficking from 2010 to 2023, including 12 million from the Duke of York, and the late Queen Elizabeth II.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew has consistently, of course, denied the allegations of wrongdoing, and I'm not going to get into that.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the payment came as no admission of liability at all, a bullshit.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know we fucked her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was a big check for her for what?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Three times?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I might give it up to him for that much.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So despite receiving these millions and compensation payments, Jeffree's son Christian, who's now 20, and her other son Noah, 19, have filed a claim in the Supreme Court of Western Australia stating that the estate is worth only $312,000, which I guess is about $400,000 Australian dollars.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently, according to recently released documents from Jeffree's son's lawyers, there is an undisclosed amount of money that is currently being held in a family trust.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's locked.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No one can get to it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, there are other reported assets.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A ranch just outside of Perth to cause a horse, jewelry, and the potential rights to royalties from nobody's girl.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Her boss, immensely published memoir.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And let's not forget that she would never have been able to release that memoir if she was alive.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because Prince Andrews attorneys had forced her to sign a gag order, so if she did release anything, it would have been heavily redacted and probably like, what, ten pages?
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that all it'd be worth reading?
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one wants to hear about her love affair with this Jeffrey Joker.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: A griff that will apparently taught martial arts in Thailand as well as places.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They equivalent to being a tennis instructor in Hollywood, bang and lonely housewives.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: because of this gag order from Prince Andrew it meant she could say very little.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If anything, however, jeffries lawyer, Kerry Laldon and a former Caraer and Housekeeper, Cheryl Myers, have filed account acclaims suggesting the value exceeds what the sun's a suggestion.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's saying basically these guys are fucking lying.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they say that there's still millions out there, somewhere.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And people want to know what happened to those millions.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As mentioned, I know for a fact from friends in the industry that she was commanding a million dollars per interview.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got the Royal Family payouts.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She was awarded money through Epstein's Victims Compensation a fund in 2020, which they say is at least double that 12 million bail.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: She won compensation in the range of 7 million from Jelaine Maxwell, and JP Morgan, which was Epstein's bank, which paid out, I think, around 290 million of his victims of survivors as an owners.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, she was first in line, as part of a class action lawsuit.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Her lawyers requested that each of these settlements not be released, the amount and the details of them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now much of Jeffree's settlement money was believed to have been paid into a family trust, which was called the Whitty River Family Trust, which was established in 2020 in list.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jeffree and a husband Robert as coordinators, Robert Jeffree, and I can never pronounce him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they were equal equals in this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But it also raised questions as to whether the millions given in compensation for
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: or trans, because apparently she was living the good life.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't very popular in her neighborhood where she lived.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people said she was rude.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She was unfriendly.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not what surprised me, but, you know, I'm not going to start sliding and off the dead.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But saying that I've always made my feelings quite clear about what I thought about Virginia Roberts, and I never saw her as much of a victim as one of the second-in-command who went out and got these young girls for Epstein and his cronies pleasure, and anybody who tried to point that out, I wish I'd down by her army of lawyers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know several of the other survivors have stated on record that she was a mean girl, and they didn't want anything to do with her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But we're moving away from the main focus point here, which is the missing millions.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now some of Virginia's family believes something the Ferris has happened to the money.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that possibly Rob, her former beloved and the Australian martial arts instructor.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, an individual who hadn't worked since 2017, they figured he had something to do with the missing money.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's hidden the money away.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, for this trust, if the money was all in a trust, it has co-trusties, and the law requires you, at least usually, requires unanimous decision-making unless the trust deed says otherwise.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would have had to both agree.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, Jeffree Virginia died in April 25 last year.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was in the middle of the divorce proceedings with husband the 22 years.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I always thought this guy lived off of, I mean, it's hard to believe him making a livable way, Jewish and Asian martial arts instructor.
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for me, he always came across as a griff that you can never be a true man if you live off another woman, but I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard for me to say, that have been blatant accusations, but also suspicions from family as well as commentators that he's hitting the money somewhere.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's in the way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's hidden the money away.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now in her diaries because Virginia had kept a diary in the last month of her life from January to the April of a death.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now whether that's because she felt like something was going to happen or she was getting paranoid who knows or just because things were closed.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Things were closing in on her.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she was once commanding these big interview fees.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was, but in the end, she lost a credibility and to an extent she'd priced herself out of the market and no one to talk to.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other survivors wanted nothing to do with her because they believed.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: that she was more part of the grooming and pippin' them out.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was just, she was no better than Chilean Maxwell.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say my opinions on that, but that's what they say in the lawyer's say.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she'd been caught lying about Dersuids or I can't pronounce this fucking name.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what I mean?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Jew loyal with the Afro.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But in July of last year, Virginia revealed that her diaries and texts sent to the family and friends
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  [SPEAKER_01]: had been abusive and financially controlling during their relationship.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And she wrote in this diary that she kept for the last four years of her life.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: She expressed concerns that her husband would drink and gamble away the last money that she wanted to be inherited by a son's Christian and Noah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the teenage daughter, whose identity, there's now being protected.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I find a bit weird, I mean, but who knows, maybe she just, you know, embarrassed.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was never a fan of the husband, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all must wonder if she went from one pimped to another.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But Virginia, Roberts suggested in legal documents that Robert 49, a former mixed martial arts instructor.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she said he hadn't worked since the start of 2017, and she alleged in a diary that Robert had been living off a money that she'd been awarded, uh, being a victim of trafficking, sex trafficking.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, since these accusations have been released, no representatives for Robert have made any statements.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's previously said he would not comment on only ongoing legal matters, and by, you know, and it looks like something like this is going to, it's going to be years and court.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Robert and Virginia Jafri, they bought a number of properties together in Australia, land title records show that a beachfront home, the family purchased on Ocean Reef, Perth, I mean, fuck, that's a nice area.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They bought for 1.9 million and 2021.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this home was bought only in Robert's name.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: but held in the witty river family trust.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The couple purchased at least three properties with the settlement money, because I mean, that's the way to go, isn't it?
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got all this money.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Get property, but you don't just let it sit in the bank.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the couple purchased at least three properties from the Prince Andrew payout.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and it could be more, but that's the three that had documented, including a six-bedroom home in Heathridge, also a very nice area for $865,000 Australian dollars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A five-bedroom property nearby in the suburb of Connelly, the $895,000 Australian dollars, and a ranch outside of Perth for 1.2 million, and the ranch was where Virginia spent the final days, alone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind that her husband had filed a restraining order against her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The physical violence, apparently, may be terrified of her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This former martial arts instructor, and both her kids, had had restraining orders against her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: For threats and violence.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So a very sad ending, with this where she spent her final days.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the only property now listed by the Chafri brothers, lawyers, so I have two sons.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what the fuck happened to the other properties?
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people are asking this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Inquiring minds, one and all.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it was reported that 2.7 million contributed by the late Queen Elizabeth.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: From her private Duchy of Lancaster estate is being held in Eskro in a bank in the United States that would leave about 7 million of the total 12 million.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: unaccounted for.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So after all the arithmetic is done, $7 million, vanished.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking weird.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, I'm gonna say it again.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Her husband was a martial arts instructor living in Asia, give me a fucking break.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a fucking break, teach him fucking tourists, fucking martial arts.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been living off her for as long as he could.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in cases like this women, they just exchange one pen for another.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he was just a pimple.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, that's my only my opinion.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's interesting that it's come out that Virginia's lawyer said that she had said she wanted her sons to have the remaining money and her housekeeper and other family members.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she said in a note, if I don't make it, please don't let Rob have any money.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she didn't want to husband that van any money, which in this email had the subject line implied will.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was an unsigned will from her email to her lawyer.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now I mean I guess I'm trying to figure out if this can constitute a will because she didn't have an official will.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: From what I've heard about her husband, I think the guy's a creep.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he spent all the money I helped spend at all and when there was nothing left the
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, so now the whole family is stopping this Robert guy, you know, from getting what's left and they figure that maybe he possibly already has everything and he's just sitting pretty on his windfall and he's not saying anything, he's got to head and away somewhere.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: With legal commentators saying, well, he was a husband and by law, Australia and law he's entitled to all those monies.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the Jeffrey brothers, Virginia's children,
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: reject the validity of the mother's uh... purported final wish it's claiming that she was not mentally fit well i mean i don't think she was mentally fed either you know let's get go years i mean let's go fucking years
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Virginia's 46-year-old brother lives in Texas, and he thought the times, the London times, that he and his other brothers guy wanted to stop Robert from being able to control her legacy and honor her wishes as to her children's inheritance.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they want to fight for the children to have it.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is still held up in court.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: This could take years before agreements of finalized and money released.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't know.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What a life-lived this woman is lived in the legacy of her problematic, for wonderful, better word, legacy continues.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And welcome to another episode of Getting To Know The That, and I am your host, Deb Buckle.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now let's get back to the subject that hand and that's Virginia Roberts and her money or thus their lack of apparently.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now some people believe that the money that Virginia Roberts has wasn't as big as people think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That once legal fee stacks is security costs,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless not forget, is she someone who would absolutely need security.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: These things are factored in what remains might be far less than the headline numbers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm one of those people who doesn't believe that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm one of those people who believe there's something dark here that the money is there, but it's deliberately being hidden, protected.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you've spent years exposed and powerful people, the last thing you do is advertise exactly what you have and where it is.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although, to my knowledge, she's only ever exposed, depth-steen, and Prince Andrew.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing that I don't get.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these women, they say, there's all these rich and powerful people, but I haven't heard any fucking names.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard no one say,
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that the Microsoft found a gut balls deep in one of these girls or whatever, you know, nothing.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I really would like to hear the names.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And regarding the money, you know, there's also a more cynical take that, that Roberts was financially supported behind the scenes, not just through settlements, but through advocacy groups, donas, or even individuals who have a vested interest in keeping
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: or maybe even shutting her up.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, this being the Epstein universe that can spare her, she's go even further.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some say the money is tied up and legal structures, trusts, agreements, non-disclosure frameworks that don't just silence, but they manage.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because in cases like this, money isn't just compensation.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's leverage.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's be honest here.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now step away from the money for a second and look at a background.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: because people dig there, too.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Jin is early life wasn't stable.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: By most accounts, it was chaotic.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: She spoke about abuse about running away about being vulnerable long before abstin, even entered the picture.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that matters because it shapes how people interpret everything that came after.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some see it as someone who survived something unthinkable.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: and fought away out, while others, especially in the Taka Hemisphere, and corners of the Internet.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, here is a griffet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: See, it's just another, and no different from Jelaine Maxwell, just a second-in-command, and she was just equally duplicent.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they question the timelines, how motives,
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: which, again, came into question when she wasn't used in the case of Jelaine Maxwell.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the other survivors, they didn't want to have anything to do with her.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: They, in many cases, they considered her a mean girl, a bully.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they were afraid to say anything about her because if they did, her lawyers shot them down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's her family, her father,
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sky Roberts, a figure who's been mentioned in interviews and reported was a life for much of a public life.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he thought he passed away in 2019.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That relationship had been described as complicated.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the fuck that means.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So though supportive at times, but also part of that turbulent upbringing, her siblings, including her brothers, are rarely in the spotlight.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think she has a half brother as well.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they get pulled into this online speculation as well.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Were they involved?
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do they benefit?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the truth is very little is public or clear.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No one knows.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's why there is so much speculation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where the story takes a dark a ton.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you follow the thread, the money, the silence,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't lead to questions about wealth.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It leads to something far more uncomfortable.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Control.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Power.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And what happens to people who step too far outside of it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Ugh.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Virginia Roberts spent years doing something few other others managed to do in that orbit of Jeffrey Epstein.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She spoke publicly, repeatedly, and in detail.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: as she named names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And in doing so, she placed herself in a position that historically has not been a safe one.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been a safe place to be.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Especially for those who believe that Epstein didn't commit suicide.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And when discussions turned to Robert's death,
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: just as with abstinence death, you enter territory that is heavily debated often emotionally charged, and in many cases, deeply, speculative.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Any ashore, of course, there are the official narratives that many, including myself.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't burn.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just have to, it's just a mentality to not trust the official narrative, especially with the patterns that surround someone, like Jeffrey Epstein, a network of powerful individuals sealed documents on his questions that stretch across countries and institutions.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in that context, people begin to ask, you know, they ask questions.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if someone becomes a central outspoken figure within that storyline, that pressure, what pressures they might face, I mean, who can say?
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Legal pressure, financial pressure, psychological pressure, but make no mistake she had people are leaning on her.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had to.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are like Bill Gates?
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is when, you know, we get into these darker theories about what happened to her, not just what happened to money, but what happened to her, you know, the idea that someone who spoke out so loudly, who named powerful people, who stood at the center of a global scandal, maybe the powers of B were just getting fed up, and there was certainly a lot of rumors floating around that with her running out of money.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was gonna poke her head out again and really start naming names.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And start collecting the bigger money that she figured that she were old.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, the theories tell us as much about us as they do about her, because when trust is broken on a global scale, and when power operates behind closed doors,
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: People just don't look for answers.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They look for meaning.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if that meanen lives in the dark, and in the shadows, and maybe that's where this story will always remain.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not fully understood, not fully resolved, just lingering.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You typed out a question I slipped in between I'm a glitching, I'm chasing it and I'm cold for the lines I wanted you to look in the cloud heart In the room, I was dreaming you were somewhere real time Dazed in the frame just to curse a blow But the worst I didn't like you're on a show
• 26:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.