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Fanatically Speaking: NBA Gambling and How EASY it is to get wrapped up with the "mafia". · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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episode of Fanatically Speaking, a bonus episode.
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I am Kent, the co -host and promoter. I am Log
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Off, the Log Off legend, the hater of social
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media. I'm the co -host and producer of the show.
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And again, like I said, it is a bonus episode.
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I know we've had some long episodes, short episodes,
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but this is just one topic. Yeah, one topic.
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And it's kind of the flavor of the moment right
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now. It's the unveiling of the NBA gambling.
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you know, scandal that's going on with a few
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key players and key names involved. And, you
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know, I think we were a little ahead of this.
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We had our gambling episode a few weeks ago.
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Correct. And, you know, we we touched on some
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of the goings on and actually a couple of the
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players that were arrested within this federal,
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you know, sting. So I'm just going to give just
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some quick backstory on it. You know, a lot of
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the details, if you're listening to this, chances
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are you already know. So there were 34 people
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charged. an NBA slash poker gambling cases. The
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big names that that are included in this is Chauncey
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Billups, Terry Rozier. And so the interesting
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thing about the allegations is that it's wide
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ranging, is ranging from actual bets that have
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been placed by. you know, co conspirators on
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behalf of players, you know, inside information
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being shared from coaches, front office executives,
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things of that nature. And then what I guess
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the baffling part, the thing that confused me
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about this coming down was that there was this
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gambling aspect which which which involved poker
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games that is kind of tied and connected to it
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when I don't think it really fits. I mean, is
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that is that fair to say? can't yeah we talked
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about it i don't i don't know i think it's just
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thrown in there because i think during the investigation
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they found that nba players are playing these
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high -stake poker games that's connected to the
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mafia and there may be some you know illegal
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or whatever you i don't know if it's illegal
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well apparently it is but grabbing regular people
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into these games so they can be uh cheated on
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cheated by the mafia Got it. And like I said,
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and I think the part that I think the part that
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confused me is, OK, what crimes actually were
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committed? And I actually had to do some some
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looking into it. There's in terms of enforcement
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of gambling, meaning Kent, you come over to my
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home, there's four other guys, six guys were
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playing poker and we bet money. The cops aren't
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going to kick in your door for that, regardless
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of the amount. unless there's some sort of shenanigans
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or, you know, devious behavior going on where
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you are conspiring to take money from people.
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And I think that's what happened here. Where
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when you look into just kind of the breakdown
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of what was happening within the gambling space,
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how there were Chauncey Billups, at least, has
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been accused of kind of reeling people with money.
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and celebrities into poker games. So that way
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they can be taken advantage of with, I think
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you mentioned like x -ray glasses and just tables
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where they can see what your cards are, what
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hands are being played. It's literal cheating.
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But the interesting thing about it is that like
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Chauncey Billups, for example, his actual charges
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are for wire fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.
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So that was the connection that they had to make
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to the gambling. in order to arrest him for something.
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And for the most part, and I don't know if anyone
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wants to get too deep into this, but the reason
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why gambling is such a big deal is because when
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you gamble outside of the normal scope of gambling
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and big money is being exchanged, you aren't
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paying taxes on it. That's how they get you.
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So the wire fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering,
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all that really just means is that, hey, the
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government wasn't aware that you were exchanging
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these large amounts of money, and we want our
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cut. Yeah. And again, the larger amount, things
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like that, that's going to set off red flags
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alerts so that, you know, and again, when you
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start saying mafia, NBA players, celebrities,
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big time money, again, that draws the attention.
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Yeah, it draws the attention and I have a bigger
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take that I want to get to and I'll land on this
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at the very end, but this particular announcement
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was a relatively large circus and I think it
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was intended to do that. It was a little disappointing.
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I wasn't aware of it. I was at work and you and
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you know, You were in a group chat with me, and
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you were kind of sending me the information about
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it. I was expecting something bigger. As everyone
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wants to behave as if this is a big, big deal,
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and they're saying, oh, well, there's more things
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coming. If these are the biggest names that you
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have, Chauncey Billups, great player, as a player,
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champion. Oh, yeah. You know, now NBA coach Terry
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Rozier. OK, you know, decent sized NBA name,
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but. That's not, to me, it's not enough. And
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I felt like the pageantry that was lended to
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the announcement for this was as if they were
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actually really stopping some crime, but it's
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not. It's like, oh, okay, guys are gambling.
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Look, I don't like cheaters. I don't like people
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to cheat and manipulate and take money from people.
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You know, the the the links that they were going
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to to scheme money away from people certainly
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bothers me. But to me, it just didn't seem like
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that big of a deal, especially to say that every
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single major sports organization is now tied
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to some sort of legalized gambling. These are
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the things that happen when people are betting
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money. Sorry. True. But then there's a whole
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nother level. And again, Jontay Porter, we mentioned
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in a previous episode. Again, right now he's
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banned from the NBA for gambling within the game.
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Terry Rozier, his crimes are a little more sport
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related, right? Where he is allegedly having
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like 30 some bets placed on the under of him
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playing or minutes or points. And he's missing
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shots on purpose, allegedly looking like, if
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you watch the video, he's passing to the other
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team. Looks like he never played basketball before.
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And then again, removing himself from a game
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early. So those big bets that were placed, those
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weird, strange bets that were just placed on
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him, so many would go through and win. So Terry
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Rozier, we could talk about Billups. Now that
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I've heard you explain and I've read all the
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charges against him, probably, does he get fired
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if this all goes through? Maybe, does he get
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suspended? Maybe. The NFL, they only, they suspend
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guys a year for gambling within the game or however
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that works. So the NBA, Jontay Porter, right
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now he's banned. I would expect Terry Rozier,
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this is like Pete Rose level. Right. This is
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this is point -shaven. This is fixing games on
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performance I would expect Terry Rozier to get
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a Lifetime ban. Okay, and I agree with that especially
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to say that his his investigation has been extensive
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because they've been looking into him for months
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and You know, it's kind of weird because he was
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always a great player. Like he was one of those
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guys It's like, okay, he can perform and then
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all of a sudden everything kind of went soured
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for him Yeah, and then the allegations came out
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and then it's like, okay Well, we have to put
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you on the couch for a bit So so for Terry Rosier
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and and I'm and this isn't a knock on you know
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him as a as a player but I think the difference
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with him and Pete Rose is that Pete Rose was
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a massive star and You know on a huge huge name
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within baseball True and Terry Rosier is not
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that so I feel I feel like this was like a collaborative
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effort To get everything kind of thrown together
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to make this look like and we've seen this before
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publicly You know, we could talk about police
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departments and FBI where it's like we're gonna
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make We're gonna make this as big of a deal as
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we can to really draw attention to ourselves
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but the amounts of money that they're talking
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about it's really not a lot of money and And
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I think if this is one of these things that is
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being brought up to truly right the wrong, I
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don't have a problem with it. If people were
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skimmed and scammed out of money and you've got
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mafia ties and things like that, it gets a little
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hairy. But as long as the victims can get their
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money back, I'm okay. If Chauncey Billups has
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to go to jail for that, that's fine. If people
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were actual victims of having money schemed away
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from them when they think it's a fair game and
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it's not, then I just want to make sure that
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we keep those people in mind. Because, you know,
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as much coverage as this is going to get, there's
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a lot of people who are going to make money on
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this being released. And I just want to make
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sure that the victims make sure that they get
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reimbursed. Yeah, of course. I mean, you know,
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Terry Rozier has made millions. Billups has made
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millions. I would assume they're not hurting
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too bad. Then we didn't even bring up Damon Jones
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Allegedly, you know a former player and now it
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was like an assistant coach recently So he was
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giving out information about LeBron James not
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playing so placed the bet on the Bucs in one
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game Again, you can't have that within the sport,
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especially with the gambling You can't have fixing
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games fixing performances the over the unders.
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That's the stuff and like you said, maybe It
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was made bigger, maybe it's made bigger so we
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don't continue having this. No, Roger is not
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a big name as Pete Rose, but in the sense of
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cheating the game to fix it, that's where I make
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the comparison. But again, we've got baseball
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players right now that are on leave for throwing
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balls 100 feet outside the strike zone. But just
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so happened a random bet was also placed on you
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know His performance so it's the stuff like that
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that raises the red flags You mentioned the government
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the feds getting involved This is not the first
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time that the government got involved in sports
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and cheating scandals Obviously the steroid cases
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that were brought to Washington I thought were
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ridiculous because I'm just like they spent millions
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of dollars on these investigations into baseball
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players using steroids and I was like why does
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the government care that baseball players are
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cheating or using steroids I'm not gonna say
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cheating because when they were using them it
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wasn't cheating because the the league knew about
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it no one they would just turn in you know turn
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in a blind eye so But yeah, I was confused while
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we had to watch, you know, McGuire, Palmeiro,
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Sosa go up there and have that circus go on.
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And as you mentioned, the news conference the
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other day, kind of not that level of circus,
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I don't think, because if everyone remembers
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when Palmeiro, Sosa, McGuire were there. in Washington,
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you know, it was it was kind of funny. No, you
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know, you know, I'm so glad you said that because
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right. And I mean this think about is, I mean,
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from the McGuire Sosa back and forth, you know,
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Sosa claiming he couldn't speak English, you
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know, and but my Mero waving his finger. Yeah.
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Yeah. I to this day, when you say Mark McGuire,
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the first thing that comes to my mind is that
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visual of him sitting there in that suit. That's
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how I see him. I don't see him in a uniform.
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I don't see him at bat. I see my vision of him
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when you said that was him literally sitting
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with his hands in front of him wearing a suit
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and tie. Well, Paul Mero, I see waving his finger
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and Sammy Sosa. I do see him as, you know, not
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learning, you know, not knowing how to speak
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English anymore. But then also I also see him
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now as Count Dracula. So I was I was about to
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say that too. I will you say you see Sammy Sosa.
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I don't see Sammy Sosa anymore because he appears
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to be transparent. He changed his appearance
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completely totally different. He's like, hey,
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I don't want people to see me for who I really
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am anymore. He turned into a vampire. But yes,
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he did. But anyways, that's another that's a
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whole nother funny just just. funny stuff about
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Sammy Sosa. So again, the government's involved
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again in sports and again, it's this scandal.
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And again, it's not good for the league, but
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you mentioned the gambling. We talked about this
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before, the gambling that's promoted with sports
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now, the apps, it's everywhere. And again, you
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got this new like NBC, Amazon Prime, right? They're
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showing NBA games now. I believe Blake Griffin
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is on there. Correct me if I'm wrong. And he
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has a commercial now where he's placing bets
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on the app. So that's what we talked about. We
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talked about Tom Brady working for the network
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and being an apart owner. So now you got this
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gambling scandal going on. Meanwhile, I'm watching
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the NBA or anything on prom. I'm getting these
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Blake Griffin commercials where I'm like, well,
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you work for prom now. You're an analyst on the
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NBA games and you're openly on a commercial promote.
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You know, you're that you're betting on games.
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Yeah. And, and so in the list, not that he's
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doing anything wrong, but you see the optics
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of the optics of it. Well, well, and that's the
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thing. And I think that's where, I think that's
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where everything is so convoluted now. There's
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so many connections to so many different things
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that are going on and it's fantastic for the
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players I want Blake Griffin to be able to be
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in these commercials. I want him to be able to
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get these jobs and broadcasting but there's always
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going to be conflicts of interest and We don't
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typically think about conflict of interest conflicts
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of interest Until something goes completely sideways
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and we have to so even with the Brady thing It
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was like hey, you know, okay, so Brady's part
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owner of the Raiders That's not going to interfere
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with this job as a broadcaster. Sure enough,
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three weeks in, now you've got a Tom Brady scandal
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because there is a conflict. There's a lot of
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overlap. There's a lot of money at stake. And
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I want people to be able to kind of venture out
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and find the different ways that they can make
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money promoting things, endorsing things and
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being on shows. But the Damon Jones thing, I'll
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circle back and just kind of close this out just
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a little bit. Yeah. They actually have a text
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message that Damon Jones sent. And I'll read
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this verbatim from this from the CBS News article.
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The indictment alleges that Jones sent a text
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message to a co -conspirator February 9th, 2023,
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a couple years ago, saying get a big bet on Milwaukee
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tonight before the information is out. And then
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it's redacted saying player three in quotes is
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out tonight. That just so happens to be LeBron
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James, who happened to be out that night. By
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the way, Damon Jones, former teammate of LeBron
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James. So there's a huge connection there, but
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they have actual literal proof of him passing
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tips off, or alleged proof of him passing tips
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off to people to place bets. That's something
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that's totally different. But it just, it just
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seems as if they're trying to make this a bigger
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deal than what it actually is. You know, I mean,
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again, there were over 30 people arrested in
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this probe. You know, lots of people, all of
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them New York centric, it seems to be. So, you
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know, it's interesting to see. And actually there
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are some people outside of there, you know, just
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kind of scattered. And I think that's what makes
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it federal as well. You reach a certain dollar
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amount. And once these crimes just, for people
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who don't know, once a crime crosses state lines,
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now it reaches into federal territory. And that's
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where the wire fraud and money laundering come
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into play because you're moving money from one
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place to the next. and it's crossing state lines.
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And now it's like, okay, well, because we can't
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have a case in North Carolina and Georgia, now
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the federal team can pick it up and make this
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a big, you know, dog and pony show. And the only
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other thing I'm gonna throw at this is, and that's
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good information to know for every, you know,
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that makes it, again, that's why we're getting
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what we're getting, I think. The other part of
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this is, you know, I think we mentioned in the
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text chain as well, you know, Jalen Brown, he
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came out talking about the NBA needs to protect
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the players. from some of this stuff, which I
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would assume he's talking about the mafia doing
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threats. I can't imagine he's talking about like,
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I don't, I don't know if Roger got threatened.
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I don't know any, we don't know anything like
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that. Why he was doing what he was doing or why
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guys do this anyways in any sport that they would
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cheat to, to, to rig the game, which we've seen
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it though with referees. We've mentioned that
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before they're all human. So, you know, and money
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and greed and things like that come into play.
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but i mean what protection the nba i don't know
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that they can offer protection from the mafia
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i think it's the government that right now they're
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on the case right so i think they're gonna have
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to look a little more into this mafia stuff because
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that's their job and the feds and things like
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that if this is something that is going to be
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a problem going forward that millionaire celebrity
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athletes or coaches are being pressured some
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way or another to make these bets or poker games
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to cheat people. I think that's the issue there.
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That's why I said I didn't agree with Jalen Brown,
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because I'm like, man, these are grown men. They
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know what's right and wrong. They know they can't
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fix games. You can't fix the spread. You can't
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fix the over -under. You can't take yourself
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out of games knowingly that there's big bets
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placed on you. You can't, you know, air ball
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layups. like you've never played basketball before
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and passed to the other things like that that
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were going on that happened in a game, but not
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as much as it was happening with certain players.
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So I don't know what protection they need. I
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don't know what the NBA can do. I mean, Adam
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Silver is not exactly killing it right now in
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his job. So he's just got something else on his
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plate. And I also one thing I'm going to add
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is I don't think it was a coincidence that this
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story came out. The day of day after opening
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night of the NBA, you know everything a fantastic
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opening night. Yeah Yeah, everything everything
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is timed in the media when stories came out Yeah,
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when they come out and when of course arrests
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are made sir as well with the with the government
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everything's timed It was not a coincidence but
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NBA has you know, like you say it was a good
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opening night But unfortunately, this is gonna
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be a huge topic lucky for the Clippers and Kawhi
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Leonard and Steve Ballmer. It takes the heat
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off of them for a little while. And that's when
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that's where I was going to land the plane, man.
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I find it interesting that, you know, one of
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the richest human beings on the planet is roped
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into scandal where there's massive amount more
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money that was being wagered in this, you know,
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alleged gambling ring. You know, there's, you
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know, with actual literal contractual documentation,
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the I think the only difference between the Clippers,
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Kawhi, Steve Ballmer story. And this particular
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gambling probe with Chauncey Billups, Terry Rosier,
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Damon Jones. The only difference is that this
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one got all the news coverage. They got way more.
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Way more news coverage. The feds involve things
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like that. But I mean, both both stories. I mean,
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both both cases are you're cheating the game.
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Correct. You're cheating the game. You're cheating
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your contemporaries. You're cheating the other
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owners within the league. You have an unfair
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advantage. Now, the only difference is that with
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the Clippers, technically from everything that
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we've seen so far, there was no actual literal
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illegal activity. However, when you compare the
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two in terms of, I guess let's just say, integrity
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for the sport itself, Yes, I mean I think it's
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easy to say that it's a 1a and 1b It's right
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there right there and the last thing I'm gonna
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say in terms of you know The the gambling you
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mentioned the Jalen Brown comments and you know
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and protecting the players So I'm just gonna
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this is a hypothetical situation for anyone hearing
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this. I'm pulling this out of my ass This is
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just a hypothetical. Let's just say that player
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a nameless faceless player Who just makes we'll
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just pick a round number say ten million dollars
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a year He happens to be invited to a poker game
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that involves some, you know, unscrupulous characters,
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let's just say, but it's a poker game like any
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other poker game. Let's just say he bets a hand
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and let's just say he just happens to lose a
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quarter million dollars that he owes in gambling
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debts. Let's just say that group B, I'm not going
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to call them. Let's just say group B approaches
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player A and says, Hey, That quarter million
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dollars, don't worry about it. But here's what
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I want you to do for me instead. The other teammates,
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other guys that you know on other teams, when
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they come in to play the Knicks, have them come
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in and play our game too. $50 ,000 a hand, right?
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Bring them in, and that way what we'll do is
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we'll wipe off your debts. You don't owe us anything.
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End hypothetical situation. That's how this type
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of stuff can happen. It's super easy. And it's
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like, oh, wait, I don't have to, I don't have
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to pay you a quarter million dollars. It's like,
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oh, I do just invite some other guys to come
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in who already play poker. I mean, the gambling
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and everything takes places on the planes, you
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know, in between flights from game to game. We
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know this has happened since Jordan. This has
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happened since the eighties. None of this is
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new. One of the biggest gamblers. Yeah. One of
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the biggest gamblers. Yeah. Like historically.
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So You know just things to keep in mind. I'm
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not defending these guys actions I don't know
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what they did, but I just want to keep in mind
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who the actual victims in this situation Remains
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to be it's the people who lost money who got
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schemed and scammed out of their money So I just
23:03
want to make sure that we keep that in mind We
23:05
could talk about Chauncey and Rozier all we want
23:07
but whatever happens when all this is done in
23:10
the dust is settled Let's make sure that those
23:13
guys get their money back whether it's to restitution
23:15
or if they got to sue these guys personally to
23:17
get their money back This is a podcast by fans
23:20
for fans. Let's not get about the fans Yeah,
23:23
we want to watch we want to watch we won't watch
23:26
competitive basketball football baseball, whatever
23:29
Yes, play just just give us your all we don't
23:32
want to watch you, you know point shave No, the
23:34
fans fans are the victims too. Yeah, we will
23:37
know and we are and I mean and think about it
23:39
You know when you know you talk about, you know
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guys sitting out and I now my question is is
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I would love to look at the data You know load
23:48
management and I'll say this I had a Friend of
23:52
mine who lived out of state who traveled into
23:55
Charlotte and it was a game that just so happened
23:57
to have the Lakers This is a couple years ago,
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and he really wanted to go I mean he was he's
24:03
literally from you know a deep part of the south
24:06
that didn't have a professional sports team And
24:08
he was asking me he's like what do you think
24:09
the chances of LeBron James is playing tonight?
24:12
I want to see him play live He hesitated because
24:16
his, you know, his injury was listed as questionable.
24:18
Now, LeBron was an older player then he literally
24:21
missed. And it turns out LeBron James did play,
24:23
but he didn't want to run the risk of buying
24:25
a ticket to a game and then have LeBron not play.
24:28
So, you know, these are the types of things.
24:29
I'm curious what happens data wise when players
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now all of a sudden there's a probe in to guys
24:36
sitting out, guys leaving games early, guys not
24:39
playing in games and the bets and the correlation.
24:44
to see whether or not there's a connection to
24:47
some of these, and we're talking big name players
24:49
who just happen to be sitting. These are the
24:52
types of things that people are gonna start looking
24:54
into and you're gonna find a correlation of,
24:57
wow, it's very suspicious that these bets come
25:00
in and these players aren't playing. You're right.
25:03
It'd be interesting. I know they're looking into
25:05
a lot of stuff. They said these bets pop up.
25:07
It would probably be good to look into that as
25:10
well. Yeah, so that's another episode a bonus
25:18
episode of fanatically speaking the gambling
25:22
scandal going on in the nba I am kent the co
25:25
-host and promoter. I am log off the log off
25:28
legend hater of social media I'm the co -host
25:31
from producer of the show. Yeah, this is just
25:33
something we wanted to throw together It was
25:35
a huge story. There's going to be more details
25:38
that come out. And the rumblings is that this
25:41
is just kind of the beginning of it, that there's
25:43
going to be more allegations that come out. For
25:45
me, if I had to give it a grade, I'd probably,
25:48
out of one out of 10, I'd probably give this
25:49
news a six. It matters. But to me, I don't think
25:53
I think the coverage of it made it a bigger deal
25:55
than what it was supposed to be. But this was
25:57
something that was like, no, dude, we got to
25:59
jump on. Let's just make an episode. So this
26:01
is a bonus episode content that we'll throw up
26:03
this week for you. And, you know, make sure to
26:06
keep checking all of our socials, Facebook, TikTok,
26:09
Instagram, follow, like, share, review, comment.
26:13
Yeah, keep listening to the normal episodes.
26:16
This is a bonus one again. And I think we'll
26:18
be doing this probably in the future. Just, you
26:20
know, if there's a hot topic going on, we can
26:22
get it out there. We're going to get it out.
26:24
Yeah. If I'm not either working or, you know,
26:26
cooking food, yeah, we can jump on and throw
26:29
another bonus episode out there. So yeah, man,
26:32
that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope.
26:34
That's it. All right. Yep. Let's kill it.