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Credlin | 16 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Huge show coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight to it. I'm going to exclusively reveal
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Speaker 2: here in a moment some push polling happening right now
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Speaker 2: in the seat of Couyong. Now, this is a real
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Speaker 2: insight into just how the Manique Ryan team is skewing
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Speaker 2: a campaign. You know, Labour's medicare claims are dubious when
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Speaker 2: GPS and medical bodies have gone public. They're more than
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Speaker 2: happy to take the billions being doled out, but they
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Speaker 2: say we've got a big problem. So much for the
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Speaker 2: PM's campaign centering around medicare. Is he going to get
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Speaker 2: some tough questions now? Plus, the Labor Leaves Climate charity
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Speaker 2: actively campaigning against the coalition shocking revelations today they've received
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Speaker 2: thousands of money from so called clean energy companies that
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Speaker 2: have been blacklisted overseas over concerns regarding slave labor. And
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Speaker 2: a war of words is a on the campaign trail
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Speaker 2: over who knew what when when it comes to Russia's
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Speaker 2: push into our region.
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Speaker 3: He verbaled the President of Indonesia.
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Speaker 4: It's obvious that Indonesia well as a matter of fact
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Speaker 4: that Indonesia has joined with Russia and with Brazil and
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Speaker 4: with other countries including China, they are closer together.
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to stay with that issue because the
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Speaker 2: increasingly dangerous outside world has just intruded on our election
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Speaker 2: campaign again. And this time it wasn't the lef's favorite monster,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, whom Anthony Albanezi likes to pretend is Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's political inspiration. This time it was Russia seeking a
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Speaker 2: permanent base for its long range aircraft in Indonesia. Naturally,
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Speaker 2: Labor tried to make Peter Dutton the issue, not Vladimir Putin.
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Speaker 2: A government that's failed always tries to make it all
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Speaker 2: about the opposition, and a government that's gone missing on
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Speaker 2: national security issues always tries to find a spine during
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Speaker 2: a must win election.
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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton is really too agro and too reckless to
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Speaker 5: the Australia's Prime minister, because the most concerning thing about
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Speaker 5: yesterday was the fact that he was willing to fabricate
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Speaker 5: a statement by the President of Indonesia in order to
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Speaker 5: make a domestic political point.
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Speaker 2: Give it up, Penny. This is a government, your government
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Speaker 2: that's lied about power prices. It's made the cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis worse. But there are a few worse failures
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Speaker 2: for a national government than national security ones. Now that's
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Speaker 2: where the Albanezer government's been completely passive today. Former Army
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Speaker 2: Chief General Peter Lay described our politicians as clowns, and
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Speaker 2: so all the coalitions should have had its defense policy
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Speaker 2: out there weeks and weeks ago. But it's the Albenezy
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Speaker 2: government that's canceled orders for more planes, that's prematurely retired
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Speaker 2: navy frigates, that's disbanded the mind sweeping for and buried
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Speaker 2: retiring helicopters in the ground, if you can believe it,
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Speaker 2: rather than give them to Ukraine. When the Chinese navy
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Speaker 2: deliberately injured our sailors, It failed to protest. When Chinese
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Speaker 2: warships who can navigated our waters and conducted unannounced unsafe
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Speaker 2: life fire XES exercises, no protest, and our labor is
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Speaker 2: pretending that Russian planes based on our doorstep would be
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Speaker 2: no big deal. Today the government stonewall questions about whether
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Speaker 2: the Russians had made a formal request of the Indonesians
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Speaker 2: for a permanent base.
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Speaker 6: This is not being well.
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Speaker 7: My question was can you know about the request.
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Speaker 6: Get well, it's not clear what it's not clear what
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Speaker 6: you're assuming the Jane report is correct, and there is
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Speaker 6: no basis for you assuming that secondly, second, second.
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Speaker 2: A request was never made. We know that for sure
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Speaker 2: that a request was not made. Is that what you're saying.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, I like diplomatically with our friends in Indonesia.
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Watch out. The generalist had the taker berks about four
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Speaker 2: times smarter than the Prime Minister. Either that government does
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Speaker 2: not know, which would be a serious intelligence failure, or
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Speaker 2: it does know but won't say, which means it's basically
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Speaker 2: clueless on how to respond to the proliferation of threats
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Speaker 2: in our region. Now, who do you think would be
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Speaker 2: better to handle the rearmament Australia desperately needs. Former Defense
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Speaker 2: Minister Peter Dutton or former student activist Albanesi as defense minister?
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Speaker 2: Who do you think former sas officer Andrew Hasty or
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Speaker 2: the current incumbent Richard Miles, known war for traveling on
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Speaker 2: RAF aircraft with his golf clubs and standing up to
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Speaker 2: the threats we face. To even have to ask this
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Speaker 2: question in Australia, well, that's the answer, isn't it. Look Also,
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Speaker 2: today some cracks in the government's constant invocation of Medicare
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Speaker 2: Albanese's green plastic card stunt that he thinks will fool
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Speaker 2: you while he's not fooling the GPS in a shop move.
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Speaker 2: Today doctors' groups have gone public. They're warning voters that
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Speaker 2: Labour's extra funding will not stop patients having to make
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Speaker 2: co payments out of their own pocket, despite that being
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Speaker 2: Labour's clear inference. The facts are that bulk billing rates
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Speaker 2: were almost ten percentage points higher under the Morrison government
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Speaker 2: than under this Labor government. Now it is a fact
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Speaker 2: that Medicare bulk billing has got worse under Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: Labour talks a big game on health, but it does
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Speaker 2: not necessarily deliver even with mammoth extra funding. The reason
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Speaker 2: bulk billing rates have fallen is due to a long
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Speaker 2: term freeze on GP rebates, which neither side is willing
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Speaker 2: to fix. That teals and they say they want integrity
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Speaker 2: in our public life, but they practice watched a preach.
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Speaker 2: First there was the theft of Liberal posters by the
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Speaker 2: husband of Ku Yong teal Manick Ryan. Then Ryan had
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Speaker 2: this train wreck of an interview on Sunday, refusing to
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Speaker 2: call out social media cash for comment the use of
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Speaker 2: paid influences to sprook the Teal candidates.
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Speaker 8: Should it be clear to voters people who are looking
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Speaker 8: at this content that it's paid for by the politician.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to have an opinion on it, really.
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Speaker 8: You don't think You don't think voters deserve to know
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Speaker 8: that if someone they're watching is saying great things about
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Speaker 8: a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.
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Speaker 2: I have to go to some thought. It's not something
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Speaker 2: I've given great thought to myself.
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Speaker 8: You'd have to give that some thought. Well, Uh, I
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Speaker 8: would think that it would be clear.
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Speaker 2: I think I'd have to give you some thought. Done
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Speaker 2: today Couyong's campaign Karen, Well, she struck again with a
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Speaker 2: cou Youong Teal. Kindly call me doctor Meneigu Ryan caught
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Speaker 2: out in more hypocrisy. Now, just take a look at this.
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Speaker 2: Leaked scripts from the polster's u com show that the
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Speaker 2: Teals are push polling voters. That's right, polling people in
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Speaker 2: a way that's designed to manipulate their vote. And here's
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Speaker 2: how the Couyong camp is doing this with a series
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Speaker 2: of text messages that someone I know well inside that
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Speaker 2: seat set me today. So let's have a look. First up,
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Speaker 2: voters are questioned whether they would be quote more likely
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Speaker 2: to vote for the Liberal Party for distanced itself from
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Speaker 2: the National Party and the extreme agenda of MPs like
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce and Matt Canavan who opposed taking action on
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Speaker 2: climate change and wait for this, want to roll back
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Speaker 2: abortion rights. Another question asks voters to agree or disagree
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Speaker 2: that quote the Liberal Party have failed to release any
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Speaker 2: detailed policies which address the challenges faced by everyday Australians.
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Speaker 2: Another question bit of a preamble here, quote Ryan has
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Speaker 2: doctor Ryan. That's not in there?
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Speaker 9: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Ryan has successfully pressured the government to reduce hex
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Speaker 2: debts for more than three million Australians, make changes to
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Speaker 2: the Stage three tax cuts and cut the cost of
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Speaker 2: prescription medicine. Now the Tales are supporter and by cashed
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Speaker 2: up vested interests and are practicing the worst sort of
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Speaker 2: manipulative dirty politics you want to talk about American politics
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Speaker 2: infecting our democracy or push polling? Is it hypocrisy? Thy
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Speaker 2: name is Teal And finally, a welcome spotlight today on
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Speaker 2: the labor organization, the front that's responsible for the answer stantiated,
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Speaker 2: fanciful claim that the coalition's nuclear policy will cost some
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Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollars. The PM has claimed again and
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Speaker 2: again that going nuclear will cost six hundred billion.
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Speaker 3: The private sector can already see that nuclear doesn't stack
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Speaker 3: up here, which is why the Liberals will send the bill,
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Speaker 3: all six hundred billion dollars of it, to the people
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Speaker 3: of Australia.
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Speaker 2: And that big lie is a feature of almost all
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Speaker 2: the rubbish that labors jamming into your mailbox. Yet the
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Speaker 2: claim is based on publicly released modeling or a costing
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Speaker 2: from Treasury. It comes from the Smart Energy Council. Now
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Speaker 2: that's not a think tank but a renewable energy lobby
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Speaker 2: group stacked choc, a bloc with ex labor politicians and staffers,
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Speaker 2: and as climber two hundred Simon Holmes a court as
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Speaker 2: a key advisor. Today the Australian newspaper also reports and
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Speaker 2: some of the Smart Energy Council sponsors a China. These
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Speaker 2: solar panel manufacturers who've been accused of using Weiger slave labor,
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Speaker 2: so much so that they are blacklisted in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Now I cover this in my column in The Australian tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: but today the paper named four Smart Energy Council backers
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Speaker 2: as under suspicion of using forced labor. I make no mistake.
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Speaker 2: The only renewable energy superpower is China because it makes
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Speaker 2: almost all of the solar panels and wind turbines. But
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Speaker 2: the omnezy government wants to make us dependent upon These
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Speaker 2: are huge pollution vehicles, lots and lots of issues associated
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Speaker 2: with solar panel production and cleaner and huge environmental issues
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Speaker 2: too with the forests of wind turbines that are coming
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Speaker 2: our way on prime land or in our national parks.
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Speaker 2: Plus they tie us more closely than ever to China,
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Speaker 2: who doesn't just want to us to buy their products,
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Speaker 2: but wants to take us over. Now, honestly, are we
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Speaker 2: really this stupid? Sometimes? I got a wonder.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Both leaders have suspended their campaigns tonight, prepped away themselves
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Speaker 2: this afternoon for the second debate tonight on the ABSC
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Speaker 2: But a busy morning. So for the latest on the
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese campaign, political reporter Cam Reddin has filed this report.
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Speaker 10: The Prime Minister is here at a housing construction site
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Speaker 10: in Melbourne, but it's an interaction inside his hotel lobby
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Speaker 10: that sparked the latest security concern. There are hundreds of
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Speaker 10: thousands of Australians around the country who are unable to
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Speaker 10: afford housing. And I have a question for you, mister Albanzi,
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Speaker 10: when are you going to put Australians first? Two men
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Speaker 10: confronting Anthony Albanesi over immigration, Holbo, how do you feel
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Speaker 10: about the rise of immigration?
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Speaker 9: Mate?
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair?
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Speaker 10: Do you think it's One of the men's social media
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Speaker 10: page shows him holding various weapons, including a rocket launcher.
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Speaker 3: I have faith in the AFP. As I've said before,
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Speaker 3: I have no intention of going into security discussions.
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Speaker 10: Labour is spooking its social housing accelerator in the Victorian
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Speaker 10: seat of Deacon. It's Melbourne's most marginal electorate, held by
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Speaker 10: shadow Housing Minister Michael Suker on a margin under zero
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Speaker 10: point one percent. On health, Australia's top medical body is
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Speaker 10: challenging Labour's claim that all you need to see a
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Speaker 10: doctor is your Medicare card. The AMA argues that might
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Speaker 10: be true for urgent care clinics, but believes it sets
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Speaker 10: an unrealistic expectation for regular GP visits. From here in Melbourne,
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Speaker 10: it's off to Sydney where the Prime Minister will prepare
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Speaker 10: for the second debate of this campaign.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go now to the Peter Dutton campaign
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Speaker 2: team for the latest from Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 7: This is Peter Dutton's second visit to Aston this campaign.
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Speaker 7: It's held by Labor by a margin of three point
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Speaker 7: six percent. While selling its housing plan, the COLI is
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Speaker 7: also attempting to build support in this seat. The Opposition
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Speaker 7: leader was flanked by the local candidate in Eastern Melbourne.
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Speaker 7: Their latest housing policy comes at a cost of one
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Speaker 7: point two five billion dollars verst time buyers would be
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Speaker 7: able to deduct mortgage payments from income taxes. It's the
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Speaker 7: third housing visit in three days.
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Speaker 4: We want to increase supply. We want to stop the
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Speaker 4: Big Australia policy which has led to the demand for housing,
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Speaker 4: which has locked a lot of young Australians out. We're
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Speaker 4: going to make sure that we can cut migration so
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Speaker 4: that we can support ossie kids into homes and I
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Speaker 4: would have been the Prime Minister to provide that dream again.
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Speaker 7: The Opposition leader has also unvoiled funding for the Alana
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Speaker 7: and Madelin Foundation as part of the coalition's push to
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Speaker 7: enhance protections for children online. Peter Darson is now flying
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Speaker 7: to Sydney. New South Wales is the most critical state
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Speaker 7: for his prospective path to power. Its target rich with
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Speaker 7: several seat pickups.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into some other issues, because if you
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Speaker 2: think Peter Dalton only has to find labor in this
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Speaker 2: election campaign, think again. Just listen to this exchange today
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Speaker 2: with Prescalory journalist Olivia Ireland from the Melbourne newspaper The Age.
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Speaker 9: During your campaign launch, your National's leader spoke extensively about
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Speaker 9: how much of a man you were. Your deputy opposition
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Speaker 9: leader spoke and gave ode to the boys in Blue
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Speaker 9: and the traadees. You talk about mining, construction, agriculture and
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Speaker 9: energy being the four killers of the economy. In your
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Speaker 9: own campaign launch speech you mentioned women twice and that
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Speaker 9: was in relation to how you protect them from domestic
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Speaker 9: violence and crime. A lot of your campaign has been
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Speaker 9: at petrol stations, You've been in trucks. You when you
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Speaker 9: speak to about female dominated industries like education, you talk
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Speaker 9: about the work agenda. What are you offering modern working women.
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Speaker 4: I'm offering them a chance to get a home.
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Speaker 2: That applies to both homeless.
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Speaker 4: Homeless women at the moment are at a record level
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Speaker 4: under this government. Someone, so let me say, for homeless
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Speaker 4: women who have suffered under this government, we have a
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Speaker 4: better pathway forward.
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Speaker 2: That is so embarrassing, isn't it. You've got to be kidding.
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Speaker 2: So putting petrol in our cars now has nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with women, Johnny mean now skyn your senior reporter
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Speaker 2: Carolin Marcus shares a woman national Affairs and it turns
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Speaker 2: out in Telegraph sky on news host James Morrow. So
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Caroline, if I don't put petrol
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Speaker 2: or diesel in my case, in my car, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: start if you listen to these Dutton press pack haters.
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Speaker 2: Yet again, we've got a coalition bloke with a wife
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Speaker 2: and a daughter. He's got a female deputy and someone
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Speaker 2: who's fought his entire working life to do better by women. Well,
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Speaker 2: apparently he hates all of us that we don't drive cars.
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Speaker 2: Might add I can drive a truck and a tractor
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Speaker 2: and a motorbike, but I mustn't be a woman. We've
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Speaker 2: got to call this crap out. We have got to
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Speaker 2: call this crap out.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one next time I take my car
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Speaker 1: to the petrol station, Peter, I'm going to say to
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Speaker 1: the petrol station attendant, but.
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Speaker 2: I'm a woman, I'm wearing a dress.
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Speaker 1: I don't have to pay for this petrol, do I.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very old fashioned sexist idea to
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Speaker 1: suggest women don't care about the cost of petrols, that
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Speaker 1: we don't drive cars, maybe only our husbands can drive
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Speaker 1: the cars. In fact, it's a pretty offensive and sexist
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Speaker 1: concept to suggest that women need pretty pink policies wrapped
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Speaker 1: up in a sparkly boat for us to be able
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Speaker 1: to vote for. We care about the same sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: The fuel like size is going to impact us, housing's
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Speaker 1: going to impact us. As Peter Dunn pointed out, women
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Speaker 1: all the women being disproportionately affected by homelessness. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was an incredibly loaded question and embarrassing one. I
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Speaker 1: agree with you, and just something that most women just
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't occur to us that we need our own
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Speaker 1: special policies. I mean, I said that the work from
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Speaker 1: home policy probably that the Coalition backflipped on recently, would
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Speaker 1: have probably disproportionately impacted women who need those flexible hours
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Speaker 1: in some cases to pick up kids and drop kids
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Speaker 1: off at school. But other than that, I just I
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Speaker 1: don't really buy what she's trying to argue here.
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Speaker 2: Now. And we don't work from home, you and I,
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Speaker 2: but we can still negotiate with our employee to be
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Speaker 2: flexible as needed. You've got two little kids, you managed
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Speaker 2: to hold out. You a job where you've got to
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Speaker 2: turn up meet a deadline. And this is the factor
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Speaker 2: of a modern workplace. But these sorts of I mean,
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Speaker 2: that was a Saudi Arabian sort of question, and I
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Speaker 2: think it would even be embarrassing in Saudi Arabia for
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Speaker 2: the age journalists to have plump that up to a politician.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the push polling, James. I've exposed that
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Speaker 2: tonight's coming out of the seat of Kuyong. They are
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Speaker 2: the questions that were put two voters in that seat.
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Speaker 2: I know the vote as well. They flip them into me.
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Speaker 2: But the tales say, you know, we're all about integrity.
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Speaker 2: This is not integrity. This is push polling, and this
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Speaker 2: is about as low as it gets.
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Speaker 11: Well. And it also, Peter, I think, really shows a
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Speaker 11: real desperation here. You know, these seats. There's been a
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Speaker 11: lot of talk about Cuyong flipping back to the liberals.
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Speaker 11: There's been a lot talking about Goldstein flipping back to
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Speaker 11: the liberals. This is the sort of behavior of a campaign.
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Speaker 11: You know, forget all the stuff that, hey, we're going
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Speaker 11: to do politics differently, because of course, anybody who says
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Speaker 11: you're going to do politics differently is almost assuredly going
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Speaker 11: to wind up doing some of the most grubbyous stuff
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Speaker 11: you can imagine. It's always a distraction, it's always projection.
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Speaker 11: You know, they're always guilty of. This is the things
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Speaker 11: that they accuse everybody else of. But this is the
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Speaker 11: sort of thing that you can see the questions on
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Speaker 11: the screen. It's such a manipulative script. It is psychologically manipulative. Now,
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Speaker 11: you know, the voters in these areas I think are
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Speaker 11: going to be pretty sophisticated customers when it comes to
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Speaker 11: this sort of thing. I think, Peter, you know, my
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Speaker 11: reaction is that you're reporting on this as well as
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Speaker 11: I think the fact that people will be talking about this,
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Speaker 11: you know, around the cafes, around those neighborhoods, and you know,
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Speaker 11: just you know, among their friends and neighbors will be
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Speaker 11: saying you know, this is this is not making me
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Speaker 11: want to vote for these people at all. It makes
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Speaker 11: me understand exactly what they're all about. It's about, you know,
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Speaker 11: political grandstanding. It's about trying to make yourself look pure
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Speaker 11: and holy when you are not. And so I think
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Speaker 11: that this is going to become a massive own goal
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Speaker 11: for the people behind these.
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Speaker 2: She's had a chockra of a campaign, Cuyong's campaign, Karen,
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Speaker 2: I call her, and it's not getting any better. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to the revelations today and the shock entry into
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Speaker 2: the campaign from the doctors. Groups. We don't often see these, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: We get sort of the unionized at nurses and others
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Speaker 2: that weigh in and push live as Barrow usually in
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Speaker 2: election campaigns, but we rarely hear for them doctors. They're
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Speaker 2: clearly not going to sit by and watch the PM
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Speaker 2: spin this lie that all you need is your Medicare
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Speaker 2: card in order to get free access to a doctor.
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Speaker 2: Just haven't listened to what the head of the AMA
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Speaker 2: had to say a little earlier.
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Speaker 12: It's not all about money. It's also about the structure
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Speaker 12: underlying these things and making sure that all Australians have
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Speaker 12: access to reasonable Medicare rebates and so then we can
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Speaker 12: really target our billing incentives at those Australians who do
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Speaker 12: need it most.
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Speaker 1: Caroline, what do you think, well, I mean, it's clear
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Speaker 1: that the Medicare card has become Alban is his favorite
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Speaker 1: prop this campaign. If he pulls it out one more time,
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Speaker 1: in fact, if we started some sort of drinking game
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Speaker 1: where we had to take a shot every time he
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Speaker 1: pulls out that blooding Medicare card, we'd end up at
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Speaker 1: one of these urgent care clinics that he's been sprooking,
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Speaker 1: because we'd be so paralytic. The thing is that it's
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Speaker 1: very easy Labor to engage in this kind of medi scare.
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Speaker 2: Campaign and they are so good at it.
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Speaker 1: And I tell you what, Peter, talking to people on
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Speaker 1: the streets as I've been doing this last these last
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Speaker 1: few weeks in some key seats, it does seem to
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Speaker 1: work with some voters. They're scared that the Coalition would
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Speaker 1: wind back the the benefits that they get on Medicare.
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Speaker 1: They believe it. Even though the Coalition has said we
21:16
Speaker 1: will spend as much as labor on the on these
21:20
Speaker 1: we want, we won't wind back the number of urgent
21:23
Speaker 1: care clinics, we're not going to repeal any you know,
21:27
Speaker 1: spending on Medicare. It still gets through to some voters
21:31
Speaker 1: and a lot of voters that this is this is
21:33
Speaker 1: the key difference between them. But this is just being
21:37
Speaker 1: dishonest with the public, because, as the doctors have warned,
21:41
Speaker 1: the idea that people will just turn up to their
21:44
Speaker 1: clinic and think that they're going to get a free
21:46
Speaker 1: appointment without having to pay any sort of gap is
21:49
Speaker 1: just a furfee. A lot of doctors say it's not
21:53
Speaker 1: possible that the incentives that the government is offering are
21:56
Speaker 1: not great enough for them to be able to do this.
21:59
Speaker 1: It's not going to make them financially viable. And the
22:02
Speaker 1: urgent care clinics that the government is spooking have not
22:07
Speaker 1: reduced waiting times in hospitals as the government keeps saying
22:11
Speaker 1: that they are. In research that came out only the
22:14
Speaker 1: night before the election, the findings came out the night before,
22:18
Speaker 1: essentially they were buried, found that that while there were
22:23
Speaker 1: a number of visits, quite a number of visits avoided
22:26
Speaker 1: to emergency departments, it didn't lead to less waiting times overall.
22:31
Speaker 1: And we could and they couldn't say it led to
22:34
Speaker 1: less visits over all to the emergency departments. Instead, they're
22:38
Speaker 1: costing tax payers five times the amount per visit than
22:42
Speaker 1: it would for the patient to go to a GP clinic.
22:45
Speaker 1: So I think we really need to be very skeptical
22:48
Speaker 1: and voters need to be very cynical when they hear
22:51
Speaker 1: Labor making these sorts of promises because in many cases
22:55
Speaker 1: they just aren't true.
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Speaker 2: And look, I will underscore point I made earlier. It's
23:01
Speaker 2: rare that you see a doctor's lobby group enter a
23:05
Speaker 2: political campaign. They are risk adverse, they do not naturally
23:09
Speaker 2: enter the fray. But clearly they've decided enough's enough today.
23:12
Speaker 2: So Australian voter has been warned. James. I'm going to
23:15
Speaker 2: put on screen right now all the seats the PM's
23:18
Speaker 2: visited at least once in this campaign, and then all
23:21
Speaker 2: the seats that Peter Dutton has visited, because this is
23:23
Speaker 2: really interesting. What's clear from that list the PMS focused
23:27
Speaker 2: on labor seats, sambagging what he has, while the coalition's
23:31
Speaker 2: going after labor seats as well as Green's seats in
23:35
Speaker 2: Queensland and seats held by the Teals. Now, what this
23:38
Speaker 2: says to me is that the private party polling coming
23:42
Speaker 2: into the Libs and coming into Labor says that these
23:46
Speaker 2: are in play or that these are in trouble. And
23:49
Speaker 2: that's very different than what the published poles are saying.
23:53
Speaker 2: If Labor was truly ahead by virtue of what the
23:56
Speaker 2: published polls, the public polls are telling us, they wouldn't
24:00
Speaker 2: be visiting half of these seats. So this tells me
24:02
Speaker 2: their internal polling says, by god, it's close.
24:08
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think it's pretty interesting there just looking
24:10
Speaker 11: at some of the some of the seats that have
24:13
Speaker 11: come through. You know, you see Fowler there on the screen,
24:15
Speaker 11: Peter Dunton and Anthony Albansi they have both visited that,
24:20
Speaker 11: which is really interest interesting because that's helped by Dilie
24:22
Speaker 11: the Independent, you know, who famously knocked Christina Kannely out
24:26
Speaker 11: of the race the last time around, one of the
24:27
Speaker 11: big wins of the coalition. But some of the other
24:29
Speaker 11: seats are very interesting, you know. I see that Anthony
24:32
Speaker 11: Albanisi has been to booth Be a number of times,
24:36
Speaker 11: which is interesting because he had it at the start
24:37
Speaker 11: of the campaign. Visited South Australia really at all, and
24:40
Speaker 11: that's a seat that's going to be very very key
24:43
Speaker 11: for the Coalition and their hopes there, you know, to
24:46
Speaker 11: getting Nicole Flint back into the parliament there. It's interesting
24:49
Speaker 11: seeing Paramatta there and what this kind of confirms to
24:53
Speaker 11: me or it suggests that some of the things that
24:55
Speaker 11: I've been hearing from my own sources, and you know,
24:57
Speaker 11: you may have heard something similar to Peter, which is
24:59
Speaker 11: that you know, the Coalition is saying the two party
25:03
Speaker 11: preferred vote that we're seeing out there is actually not
25:08
Speaker 11: really an accurate way to focus on this campaign and
25:11
Speaker 11: the results, because what's happening here is that the outer
25:13
Speaker 11: seats out of Sydney and outer suburban seats in Sydney
25:17
Speaker 11: and Melbourne, you know, they're seeing a lot of promising
25:20
Speaker 11: signs in some of those places, and that would indicate
25:23
Speaker 11: why both sides are really going and fighting in some
25:26
Speaker 11: of those areas.
25:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the ground, it's coming down to very localized campaigning. Again.
25:35
Speaker 2: This was like very much it was for Turning Abbit
25:38
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, absolutely very similar and what I'm told
25:42
Speaker 2: happened in twenty nineteen with Scott Morrison. It's sort of
25:46
Speaker 2: the reverse here of twenty nineteen for Labor when Bill
25:51
Speaker 2: Shorten lost down Losable, But we'll see, We'll say I
25:53
Speaker 2: want to track them next week. We'll come back to
25:55
Speaker 2: that when I see you next Wednesday. Thank you to
25:57
Speaker 2: you both all. Right after the break, a war of
25:59
Speaker 2: words erupts over who knew what when in relation to
26:03
Speaker 2: Russia's pushed into Indonesia. So what exactly is going on here?
26:07
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan with Moore, plus the growing concern over labor
26:11
Speaker 2: linked climate charity with ties to groups that have been
26:14
Speaker 2: blacklisted in the US over their links to slavery. Not
26:23
Speaker 2: only do I think the PM's already planning is winning
26:25
Speaker 2: on the lawns of Kirabilly house. You worked out the
26:29
Speaker 2: menu when the champagne is going to serve, but he's
26:31
Speaker 2: already drawing up the list of the haves and have nots.
26:34
Speaker 2: When it comes to his new cabinet, Tanya Plebi sec
26:36
Speaker 2: which she's out in the cold. Others he's saying they'll
26:40
Speaker 2: be back, they'll be in the jobs in now. I'd
26:42
Speaker 2: have to say, Prime Minister, be very careful with Hubris.
26:47
Speaker 2: Let's go though to the other big story out of
26:49
Speaker 2: Indonesia involving Russia. Those reports circling yesterday that Indonesia was
26:54
Speaker 2: considering letting Russia host an airbase on its soil. Defends
26:59
Speaker 2: Minister Richard Mars was quick to quash the reports. But
27:02
Speaker 2: today Labor is accusing Peter Dutton of jumping the gun.
27:06
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is drawing inspiration from one president while seeking
27:11
Speaker 2: to put words in the mouth of another.
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Speaker 3: What we saw from Peter Dutton yesterday was an extraordinary overreach.
27:19
Speaker 3: He verbaled the President of Indonesia, Peter Dutton, is.
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Speaker 5: Really too agro and too reckless to the Australia's Prime Minister.
27:31
Speaker 2: Agro from a mean girl. Peter Dutt, though hits back.
27:36
Speaker 4: The reference I made was obviously to what is a
27:39
Speaker 4: very credible military website, and that talked about government sources
27:45
Speaker 4: and of the proboo government sources. Now, the fact is
27:48
Speaker 4: that when you have a foreign minister and a defense
27:50
Speaker 4: minister and a Prime minister finding out about decisions from
27:54
Speaker 4: our friends and from countries abroad, when they find out
27:58
Speaker 4: about that on CNN or on Fox or whatever it is,
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Speaker 4: you know that this government is not up to it.
28:06
Speaker 2: Jentlemen, I had to discuss this and more. Foreign editor
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Speaker 2: at The Australian greeg Sheridan Well Greg Unpack this for us.
28:13
Speaker 2: What do you think we're not being told?
28:17
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. Look, I
28:20
Speaker 13: think both Alberaneesi and Dutton have both performed poorly on this.
28:23
Speaker 13: But this is a very serious story for Australia. Proboo
28:27
Speaker 13: Subiando is different from his predecessor to Cooe, and very
28:31
Speaker 13: different from his predecessor Secilia bembak Udiano, who was a
28:35
Speaker 13: great friend of Australia. Proboo went to Russia after he
28:39
Speaker 13: was elected, but before he was inaugurated. Russia is the
28:43
Speaker 13: biggest supplier of military equipment to Indonesia. The Opposition is
28:47
Speaker 13: right to insist on a proper intelligence briefing on this,
28:50
Speaker 13: and such a briefing would show there is very intense
28:54
Speaker 13: engagement between Russia and Indonesia. There's no chance Indonesia will
28:57
Speaker 13: allow any foreign country to have a fully owned foreign
29:01
Speaker 13: base in their country. But we in Australia are very
29:05
Speaker 13: smart ourselves at calling foreign bases something else. And I
29:09
Speaker 13: am not one bit reassured by the bland statements from
29:15
Speaker 13: Richard Marles and Anthony Alberanzi that there's nothing to see here,
29:19
Speaker 13: and basically you never hear them mention Indonesia anyway from
29:24
Speaker 13: one month to the next. I think our position in
29:27
Speaker 13: Indonesia is pretty anemic, and I'm sure there's a lot
29:30
Speaker 13: of stuff going on with Russia, and I wouldn't be
29:32
Speaker 13: surprised if military cooperation between those two nations intensified much
29:37
Speaker 13: to our detriment.
29:41
Speaker 2: What do we read into the fact that Indonesia's joined
29:44
Speaker 2: the Brick.
29:44
Speaker 13: Nations, Well, you know, our good friend India is a
29:50
Speaker 13: member of the Bricks as well. India and Indonesia both
29:53
Speaker 13: are strategically promiscuous. They're both swing states. I mean, India
29:58
Speaker 13: has a much bigger beef with China than Indonesia has,
30:01
Speaker 13: so that puts it sort of on our side to
30:04
Speaker 13: some extent. But Indonesia is not sympathetic to the United
30:10
Speaker 13: States at the moment, and I think it's been that
30:14
Speaker 13: way for quite a long time. But the situation is
30:17
Speaker 13: not helped by Trump threatening to impose unbelievably punitive tariffs
30:22
Speaker 13: on Indonesia. That just makes the US less popular in
30:26
Speaker 13: Indonesia than it is already. Praboo wants to be a
30:31
Speaker 13: foreign policy president, but a lot of his instincts are
30:35
Speaker 13: all over the shop. He'll sign a strategic partnership with Australia,
30:38
Speaker 13: but sign up to bricks and Bricks is designed really
30:42
Speaker 13: to constrain America. At the same time, Proboo put out
30:47
Speaker 13: a piece for Ukraine Plan, which was basically a Russian
30:51
Speaker 13: plan some time ago when he was the Defense minister.
30:55
Speaker 13: Indonesia is very tricky and you'd remember, Peter from your
30:58
Speaker 13: time in government. Was a lot of attention all the time,
31:02
Speaker 13: not because we love it or don't, but because it's
31:05
Speaker 13: so important to us.
31:09
Speaker 2: Let's go to revelations out of the United Kingdom that
31:11
Speaker 2: less than a month before the UK government was forced
31:14
Speaker 2: to intervene to save British Steel, which has happened in
31:18
Speaker 2: the last week, Downing Street had actually backed Chinese investment
31:22
Speaker 2: in key parts of the nation's critical infrastructure. According to
31:26
Speaker 2: The Times newspaper, Britain's Energy secretary signed agreement which promised
31:30
Speaker 2: close cooperation with Beijing. Now we know how hard it
31:35
Speaker 2: was to put pressure Australia did and others on the
31:38
Speaker 2: United Kingdom at the time to avoid going down the
31:41
Speaker 2: Huawei path with their five gene network. I find these
31:46
Speaker 2: revelations extraordinary.
31:47
Speaker 13: Greg, Yeah, I mean the truth is the UK is
31:52
Speaker 13: a bit of a mess. In relation to China policy,
31:56
Speaker 13: and all of its bad policies are coming home together.
31:59
Speaker 13: So it has imposed, like Australia, massively unnecessary, massively high
32:05
Speaker 13: energy costs, and it's therefore pretty hard to run a
32:09
Speaker 13: profitable steel industry. The Chinese own this steel plant and
32:13
Speaker 13: we're going to shut it down. So Chinese investment wasn't
32:17
Speaker 13: a savior for the steel industry. Now the British government
32:20
Speaker 13: has taken control of it, but won't fully nationalize it
32:23
Speaker 13: because that would cost billions of pounds. And then they
32:26
Speaker 13: wanted to operate on so called green energy, which is
32:30
Speaker 13: going to cost billions and billions of pounds. And if
32:33
Speaker 13: they don't do this, they'll be the only G seven
32:36
Speaker 13: country without any capacity to make any steel at all.
32:40
Speaker 13: So they've looked as China as the savior. That's very dumb.
32:45
Speaker 13: They've imposed massive energy costs on themselves, which makes it very,
32:50
Speaker 13: very difficult to run a steel industry, and so what
32:52
Speaker 13: can they do. They can nationalize it or just go
32:55
Speaker 13: out of business, and neither of those is a good choice.
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Speaker 2: Greg, just quickly, I'm almost out of time. We can't
33:05
Speaker 2: leave the story of the missing defense policies. You've got
33:10
Speaker 2: Peter Lay, former Chief of Army, out there today calling
33:14
Speaker 2: the politicians clowns. You know, basically, how can we not
33:17
Speaker 2: be boosting our defense spending above the two percent of GDP?
33:21
Speaker 2: Community wants it much higher than that, of course, but yes,
33:24
Speaker 2: let's talk about the coalition. Where's Andrew Hasty? Where's the policy?
33:27
Speaker 2: I've been tired, has been coming for weeks, I haven't
33:29
Speaker 2: seen it. What about labor too, though, I mean they're
33:32
Speaker 2: just as bad.
33:35
Speaker 13: Oh, they're much worse.
33:36
Speaker 2: They're terrible.
33:37
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm criticizing the opposition for not giving us
33:40
Speaker 13: a better alternative, but labor deserves to lose the election
33:44
Speaker 13: for its defense record. I mean, they haven't increased defense
33:47
Speaker 13: spending as a percentage of GDP. Almost alone amongst Western countries,
33:52
Speaker 13: we spend lower than the OECD average. Yet we have
33:55
Speaker 13: no allies nearby. Trump has, you know, is a big
34:00
Speaker 13: question mark over American security guarantees. Meanwhile, the Chinese are
34:04
Speaker 13: sending gunships to humiliate us. The Russians are seeking bases
34:08
Speaker 13: in our regions, so are the Chinese, and we're doing nothing.
34:12
Speaker 13: The Albanese government's record is appalling. It's spending more money
34:16
Speaker 13: on nuclear subs and no money on the rest of
34:18
Speaker 13: our defense. But at the same time, how is it
34:22
Speaker 13: that the Liberals haven't released a defense policy yet, haven't
34:25
Speaker 13: committed to spend more money themselves, and apparently have poor
34:30
Speaker 13: old Andrew Hasty, the so called defense spokesman, in hiding
34:33
Speaker 13: or witness protection or something, and won't let him out
34:35
Speaker 13: to speak even on this latest matter. Why didn't we
34:38
Speaker 13: hear about Andrew Hasty on this Russian base in Indonesia.
34:42
Speaker 13: Something weird is happening in Dutton's opposition and it doesn't
34:45
Speaker 13: fill me with much confidence.
34:49
Speaker 2: All over there, Greg, Hopefully we'll have a defense policy
34:52
Speaker 2: next week to talk about. That's got some other issues
34:54
Speaker 2: are labeling to climate charity so called charity, and the
34:58
Speaker 2: fire accus you're taking cash or clean energy firms blacklisted
35:01
Speaker 2: at the US of affears of slave labor. Now remember
35:04
Speaker 2: this name. It's called the Smart Energy Council, It's backed
35:08
Speaker 2: by high profile climate Activissimon Holmes a court, and it's
35:11
Speaker 2: now facing questions that be links to a controversial Chinese
35:13
Speaker 2: company at the center of forced labor allegations. Now this
35:18
Speaker 2: is the same so called charity behind the explosive six
35:21
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollar claim that has attacked the opposition's nuclear
35:26
Speaker 2: energy plan. This is the body that says ecostics hundred
35:30
Speaker 2: billion dollars a figure that the pm US is like
35:33
Speaker 2: a weapon, but that hasn't had any modeling attached to it,
35:37
Speaker 2: hasn't had any independent analysis, and there's no detailed report
35:41
Speaker 2: out publicly that we can assess. It's an organization of stooges.
35:47
Speaker 2: Let's bring in associate editor at The Australian, Graham Lloyd.
35:53
Speaker 2: You know, we could talk all night about the Smart
35:55
Speaker 2: Energy Council. It's not that smart and if you look
35:59
Speaker 2: into it. I'm writing about this in your paper tomorrow.
36:02
Speaker 2: I mean it is an organization full of lefty climate activists.
36:07
Speaker 2: But if you look at the big claimate made in
36:09
Speaker 2: relation to the nuclear policy of the coalition, which is
36:13
Speaker 2: everywhere in Labour's campaign material, it just doesn't stack up.
36:19
Speaker 14: That's try good ding, Peter. This is a marriage of
36:22
Speaker 14: the extreme advocates for net zero and the money that's
36:27
Speaker 14: behind it, and they are responsible for the six hundred
36:33
Speaker 14: billion dollar figure that's being weaponized by Labor. They put
36:38
Speaker 14: out a single report saying well, they've done a bit
36:40
Speaker 14: of research and the cost is anywhere between one hundred
36:43
Speaker 14: and fifteen billion dollars at the CSIRO says, and their
36:47
Speaker 14: estimate of six hundred billion, which is if everything goes wrong,
36:51
Speaker 14: and it's the first time that's ever been done, so
36:54
Speaker 14: they lent on the six hundred billion dollar figure when
36:58
Speaker 14: they release the report, and it's been hammered by the
37:00
Speaker 14: government ever since. You drill down into it, it's a
37:04
Speaker 14: very rubbery figure and it certainly doesn't send anything incredible
37:09
Speaker 14: at all.
37:12
Speaker 2: And you look at their funding source. Graham meant to
37:15
Speaker 2: become a member of the Smart Energy Council, it costs
37:17
Speaker 2: upwards of fifty thousand dollars, so they're raking in the money.
37:21
Speaker 2: And Sarah Isisen's terrific work today in Australian reveals that
37:25
Speaker 2: some of the money coming in is from a whole
37:27
Speaker 2: lot of Chinese manufacturers for solar and wind. No wonder
37:30
Speaker 2: they want to support our climate push here in Australia
37:34
Speaker 2: because they're making billions from us. But if you look
37:36
Speaker 2: into to where they get the labor to make all
37:39
Speaker 2: the stuff that's going to be peppering around our beautiful
37:42
Speaker 2: coastline and in our national parks, it comes from Weiger
37:46
Speaker 2: forced labor, so slave camps. I mean, surely this has
37:50
Speaker 2: got to then end any chance this organization can hold
37:54
Speaker 2: charitable status.
37:56
Speaker 14: Yes, it is quite outrageous. It's sort of well known
38:00
Speaker 14: own that the whole renewable energy business, whether it's the
38:03
Speaker 14: magnets for wind turbines or solar panels or other things,
38:08
Speaker 14: relies very heavily on exploiting the world's poorest and most
38:12
Speaker 14: disadvantaged people. In China, that exploitation is a wig is
38:17
Speaker 14: at the point of a gun. But that hasn't stopped
38:21
Speaker 14: the companies sort of importing their materials or in the
38:24
Speaker 14: case of the Smart Energy Council, taking their money to
38:28
Speaker 14: give them an entree into the political system here and
38:32
Speaker 14: further their market in this place. So it's highly immoral
38:37
Speaker 14: on every front, and it's something that should be called out.
38:41
Speaker 14: Whether it's the destruction of the rainforest up in Indonesia
38:44
Speaker 14: for nickel or the young African children that have to
38:48
Speaker 14: find cobalt and other things. There is a very very
38:52
Speaker 14: high environmental price that's paid for what's been promised as
38:56
Speaker 14: a utopian future.
39:00
Speaker 2: None of it's renewable, None of it is renewable ollive.
39:04
Speaker 2: There Graanlloyd, thank you out of the break, protect the
39:06
Speaker 2: environment all costs. Well, wait till I tell you more
39:09
Speaker 2: about what's happening to the North of Australia. Plus Trump
39:13
Speaker 2: has frozen funding for one big university. Do we need
39:16
Speaker 2: to follow his lead? That's after the break. Welcome, Welcome back, Keldrich,
39:24
Speaker 2: it's coming out. But tonight I want to show you
39:26
Speaker 2: some frankly pretty shocking images of what we're seeing happening
39:30
Speaker 2: in our state forests in the name of renewable energy.
39:33
Speaker 2: Now I want to bring in my panel to discuss
39:35
Speaker 2: this Page Research Center Chief Executive Gerald Holland and Shotow
39:39
Speaker 2: Environment Minister Jonathan Dunneyam gents, welcome, let's get your thoughts
39:43
Speaker 2: so on these photos, exclusive photos that have been given
39:46
Speaker 2: to me tonight. The show the extent of the destruction
39:49
Speaker 2: in our national forests in the name of renewables. Now,
39:52
Speaker 2: this is land cleared for wind turbines on the Great
39:57
Speaker 2: Dividing Range. The person who said me the images I
40:00
Speaker 2: want to remain anonymous. I don't blame them, but they're
40:02
Speaker 2: very concerned about a natie fauna. We're talking about koalas,
40:06
Speaker 2: gliders and native birds here, of course, including the wedgetail eagle. Now,
40:11
Speaker 2: if this was any other project, the environmentalists would be
40:15
Speaker 2: absolutely losing it. Senator Dunium, this is a huge issue,
40:22
Speaker 2: but not one that's being discussed in the campaign. I
40:25
Speaker 2: mean tonight at the ABC debate there are protesters full gaza,
40:30
Speaker 2: you know, pro Palestinian protesters. Where are the protesters about
40:34
Speaker 2: this degradation of our state forests?
40:39
Speaker 15: Well, Peter, it's hypocrisy with a capital H. Frankly, I
40:43
Speaker 15: mean the people that are saying, yes, go ahead and
40:46
Speaker 15: desecrate these last vast tracts of wilderness in the name
40:52
Speaker 15: of renewable energy, because of course that is the sacred cow.
40:55
Speaker 15: Here are the same people who said, no, we will
40:57
Speaker 15: not have a billion dollar gold mine that will bring
40:59
Speaker 15: a hundred jobs to regional Australia and generate all these
41:03
Speaker 15: royalties for health and schools, et cetera. And the difference is,
41:07
Speaker 15: as you say, it's all about renewable energy. We've got
41:10
Speaker 15: a job ahead of us to make sure people understand
41:12
Speaker 15: what cost is attached to this. It is not a
41:15
Speaker 15: clean energy source, not like they describing your images there
41:19
Speaker 15: and whoever sent them through, very brave of them to
41:21
Speaker 15: do so. That is the truth that we need to
41:23
Speaker 15: get out there and it's been hidden away for too
41:24
Speaker 15: long by the activists.
41:28
Speaker 2: Just quickly, John, I thought when people joined the Greens
41:30
Speaker 2: all those years ago, coming out of Tasmania where you live,
41:35
Speaker 2: it was a very very different party. It was a
41:37
Speaker 2: party of the environment, that is not a pro environment
41:41
Speaker 2: move and the biggest people champing renewables are the Greens.
41:46
Speaker 2: So people who voted the Greens, I think that they
41:48
Speaker 2: are the party of the Koala. They're not.
41:53
Speaker 13: Now.
41:53
Speaker 15: They've moved a long way from that. They are communists
41:56
Speaker 15: and they'll find whatever issue it is that they can
41:58
Speaker 15: latch onto to generate donations and membership and headlines. The
42:03
Speaker 15: environment is just a thing they latch onto from time
42:06
Speaker 15: to time, and your photos there just proved that again.
42:10
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to something that's just broken this afternoon.
42:12
Speaker 2: The Fair Work Commission has recommended pay rises of up
42:16
Speaker 2: to thirty percent for hundreds of thousands of low paid
42:20
Speaker 2: workers and female dominated sectors. We're talking here about childcare
42:25
Speaker 2: and aged care, Jared. What really worries me here is
42:31
Speaker 2: childcare centers, age care centers. They are all private, profit
42:36
Speaker 2: making businesses. They're not government entities. Yet in the past,
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Speaker 2: under labor the government has topped up with taxpayer funds
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Speaker 2: the salaries of these individuals. Now, if you're talking about
42:47
Speaker 2: a thirty percent pay rise to all of these people
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Speaker 2: in these sectors, that means childcare fees are going to
42:53
Speaker 2: go up, that means age care is going to go up.
42:55
Speaker 2: But it means the poor old taxpayer is on the
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Speaker 2: hook for tens of billions of dollars while the people
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Speaker 2: who run these companies and make the profits, they're not
43:04
Speaker 2: paying their workers what the Fair Worker at Fair Work
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Speaker 2: Commission says is due.
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Speaker 16: We are exactly right, Peter. I mean, from the get go,
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Speaker 16: I think I would reject the Fair Work Commission's findings
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Speaker 16: that these are low paid sectors because they're female dominated.
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Speaker 16: I mean, care work is some of the most fundamental
43:22
Speaker 16: work that you can do, especially the beginning end of life.
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Speaker 16: You're talking about the most vulnerable people in our society
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Speaker 16: and should be honorable and dignified. But we've spent decades
43:30
Speaker 16: now and generations sort of demonizing care work, particularly in
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Speaker 16: the home, and forcing this kind of work into institutions
43:37
Speaker 16: where we've undervalued it with low skilled migrant labor. At
43:42
Speaker 16: the same time, we aren't supporting families who want to
43:44
Speaker 16: be at home with their kids. We punish single earner
43:47
Speaker 16: families who are trying to do things differently. We don't
43:50
Speaker 16: own we don't offer any tax incentives to trying to
43:52
Speaker 16: help young families out. And so it corrects this conveyor
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Speaker 16: belt where parents feel forced to put their kids into
43:57
Speaker 16: institutional care and forced to pay these ever increasing fees
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Speaker 16: as the system is not able to support the weight
44:03
Speaker 16: of an entire generation now of families who see no
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Speaker 16: other option.
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Speaker 2: Here and Jared, if you look after your aging mom
44:11
Speaker 2: at home, you don't get a pay rise, you don't
44:12
Speaker 2: get paid at all. If you're looking out to your
44:14
Speaker 2: own children at home, you don't get a dollar. You
44:17
Speaker 2: have to put them into unionized care in order for
44:20
Speaker 2: the money to flow. I think that's wrong.
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Speaker 16: I couldn't agree more. It's a row. And you know,
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Speaker 16: I've got young kids. We've got a lot of families
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Speaker 16: our age who who want to be spending more time
44:31
Speaker 16: at home. They want to be raising their kids themselves,
44:33
Speaker 16: or at least not spending as much time in institutional
44:35
Speaker 16: care as they are. But they feel wedged. The cost
44:37
Speaker 16: of living is too high. They can't afford a house.
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Speaker 16: We've created an economic system and structure which is pushing
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Speaker 16: more people in. And if you look at what labor
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Speaker 16: is proposing, all of the family support is just funneling
44:47
Speaker 16: more kids into childcare. And it's an entire way of
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Speaker 16: thinking about the system that I think we need to
44:51
Speaker 16: really rethink as a society.
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Speaker 2: John, And let's expose what's going on your state of
44:57
Speaker 2: Tasmania around Tassel. I love their products. I'm not paid
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Speaker 2: to say that. I just love their salmon. I love
45:04
Speaker 2: tasmani and salmon. But the Tassel is being bullied by
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Speaker 2: the banks or sorry that the banks are being bullied
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Speaker 2: by activists not to give business loans to Tassel. What's
45:14
Speaker 2: going on here?
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Speaker 15: Well, this is I think it might be page twenty
45:20
Speaker 15: seven of the Green Activist playbook. You know, go and
45:24
Speaker 15: bully a bank into withdrawing finance from an industry. I mean,
45:28
Speaker 15: the last time we saw this. And you've got the
45:30
Speaker 15: usual suspects. You've got noted fiction author Richard Flanagan. You've
45:34
Speaker 15: got Jeffrey Cousins, who, of course you might remember, who
45:38
Speaker 15: pulled the very same trick when it came to the
45:40
Speaker 15: pulp mill in Tasmania. He bullied a and z Into
45:42
Speaker 15: with drawing funding. And then of course occasionally they'll rope
45:45
Speaker 15: in a said celebrity like C grade actor Leonardo DiCaprio
45:50
Speaker 15: to tell us how bad the industry is. All of
45:52
Speaker 15: it is the same pattern. It was forestry, it's now salmon.
45:55
Speaker 15: It'll be mining next. This is what they do. And again,
45:58
Speaker 15: I just hope there some evidence out today. I might say, Peter,
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Speaker 15: you're not the only one who likes tassel on human
46:03
Speaker 15: and patuna salmon. Record numbers of amounts of salmon are
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Speaker 15: being sold in Australian supermarkets and being exported. So the
46:10
Speaker 15: Green's efforts are really all for nought.
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Speaker 2: So if you want to support the salmon industry and
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Speaker 2: hate the Greens, be like me and by the salmon
46:19
Speaker 2: from Tasmania just quickly Harvard, because they're not dancing to
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Speaker 2: the President's tune because he wants them to reject the
46:26
Speaker 2: woke and they're going to have their funding frozen Jared.
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Speaker 16: Well with federal funding comme Civic responsibility, and America has
46:34
Speaker 16: really been leading the way on this, not just in education,
46:36
Speaker 16: but if you look at their banking system and the
46:38
Speaker 16: way that they will break their pensions, and they say
46:40
Speaker 16: if you're engaging in ESG or activist kind of activities,
46:44
Speaker 16: that is punishing certain providers for providing oil or gas,
46:47
Speaker 16: or coal or steel, whatever it might be. No more
46:49
Speaker 16: government funds. We're not going to use you anymore. And
46:51
Speaker 16: actually it's not just our university sector we should be
46:54
Speaker 16: approached this way, but we should be looking at our banks,
46:55
Speaker 16: we should be looking at our super funds and saying
46:57
Speaker 16: all Australis should be treated equally, All into trees should
47:00
Speaker 16: be treated equally, especially our primary industries. It provides so
47:03
Speaker 16: much value to our economy. And if you're not going
47:06
Speaker 16: to play ball, if you're going to punish citizens and
47:07
Speaker 16: play favorites, then the funding gets cut off. We don't
47:10
Speaker 16: use you anymore.
47:12
Speaker 2: And if you want to reduce our freedoms, that's also
47:15
Speaker 2: a problem. Thank you, Jens. All right, quick break out
47:17
Speaker 2: of the rate. We have got a terrific list of
47:19
Speaker 2: words from you tonight to get through with Kel Virich's
47:26
Speaker 2: you know they caught me putting my nippy on there
47:28
Speaker 2: in the break. All right, let's bring in my good friend,
47:30
Speaker 2: as he does every Wednesday, comes on to give us
47:32
Speaker 2: the words of the week, Kel Richards. Kel, great to
47:35
Speaker 2: have you here. We've got some topical words, a great
47:38
Speaker 2: list from our viewers. The first one is Ponzi scheme.
47:41
Speaker 2: Now we use this a lot. Surge wants to know
47:44
Speaker 2: where the term comes from and what it means.
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Speaker 17: Comes from Charles Ponzi. Charles was a con man in
47:52
Speaker 17: America around about nineteen twenty, and he ran a scheme
47:54
Speaker 17: like this. It wasn't the first to run it, but
47:56
Speaker 17: his name has become attached to it. And it's the
47:58
Speaker 17: kind of con scheme in which the early investors are
48:01
Speaker 17: paid from the new investments coming in from new investors.
48:05
Speaker 17: So it's a kind of circular scheme. It never actually
48:07
Speaker 17: makes any money. It never never makes a profit until
48:11
Speaker 17: it collapses and presumably the man who set it up
48:14
Speaker 17: flees in time. A Ponzi scheme works in that circular way.
48:18
Speaker 17: It's now applied figuratively to some government actions. So any
48:22
Speaker 17: government action which will pump up the economy in a
48:25
Speaker 17: temporary sort of way but will delay a long way
48:28
Speaker 17: down the track, any costs or commitments that come from that,
48:32
Speaker 17: like immigration, like Australia's record immigration exactly, that's our Ponzi scheme.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably grew up thinking of it in terms
48:42
Speaker 2: of the old Pyramids selling model. But I think that's
48:46
Speaker 2: been displaced by the term Ponzi scheme. We've brought that
48:49
Speaker 2: over from New York in particular. Hey, we are certainly
48:51
Speaker 2: going through an Indian summer in Victoria. I don't know
48:54
Speaker 2: about New South Wales. But Diane wants to know where
48:57
Speaker 2: does the term Indian summer come from.
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Speaker 17: Well, as you know, I mean, it means unseasonal warm weather,
49:05
Speaker 17: and the idea is it can't be trusted. It's a
49:07
Speaker 17: deceptive sort of sign that we're going to get nice
49:10
Speaker 17: warm weather because it goes away again. It seems to
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Speaker 17: have come from the Yes, well, it does eventually disappear
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Speaker 17: early eighteen hundreds of America. And according to the Morrises,
49:22
Speaker 17: who are expert American Americans, they say early American colonist
49:27
Speaker 17: colonists use the word Indian to mean unreliable, which is
49:31
Speaker 17: a terrible thing, but that's what they said. Hence an
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Speaker 17: Indian summer is an unreliable summer. It's about to end.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think I'll use it again. I don't
49:41
Speaker 2: think that's particularly nice. I thought it might have had
49:44
Speaker 2: a you know, a more meteorological term in that there
49:49
Speaker 2: not anyway, all right, we'll get to the rest of
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Speaker 2: the words for next week. Thanks Cal. That's it for me.
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Speaker 2: See tomorrow night at six, here's Andrew