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ITB: Which Eagles On Offense Are Most On The Bubble Entering Training Camp? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It's
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, it's Adam Kaplan, it's inside the Birds. We
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  Speaker 1: are starting to get toward the endush of July, and
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  Speaker 1: we can firmly say, Adam that next week Eagles training
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  Speaker 1: camp will begin. The players will report to the now
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  Speaker 1: called Jefferson Health don't say no, okay, right, Jefferson Health
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  Speaker 1: Training Complex on Tuesday, and I believe the first official
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  Speaker 1: practice will be Wednesday, and then they'll be like three
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  Speaker 1: million off days in between each practice. Now, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, but it's funny, like the first
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  Speaker 1: week of practice is like three practices. That's that's how
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  Speaker 1: they do the ramp up process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's you have to have a five day acclaimation period.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's there's no way around it. It has to
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  Speaker 2: it's mandated, has to happen. But talking to Jeff Miller
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  Speaker 2: and his group from the NFL who over see all
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  Speaker 2: the health and safety, you said, the data is so
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  Speaker 2: strong for for no contact in the first five days,
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's credible. Yeah, he has a data. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you can't argue with the information. I get it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. And by the way, the practices are
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  Speaker 2: very similar, very similar to OTAs. There is limited contact
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  Speaker 2: like there's no contact like an ot as. You're literally
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line are doing like a dance like you.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's hard. It's pretty bad when you give up
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  Speaker 2: a sack of OTAs. But you cannot do anything. The
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  Speaker 2: first day you report, all you do is report, right. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you a test, right, you take the physical exam and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: before the day, right, there was no practice. You cannot
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  Speaker 2: practice your conditioning test. And the next day you practice,
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  Speaker 2: it's light. As a matter of fact. Going back to Novercare,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, not Novercare. Going back to Lehigh, uh one
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  Speaker 2: year for some reason, I don't know what. I actually
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  Speaker 2: saw one of those workouts. There's the conditioning test. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know how I was there
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  Speaker 2: for something. Is there an interview somebody?
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  Speaker 1: All right, and I was.
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  Speaker 2: Able to watch them do it, you know, whatever? The
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  Speaker 2: going back doing gasers, whatever the hell it is, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of funny. Belichick one year for
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  Speaker 2: they must have on NFI non non football injury, because
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  Speaker 2: what it is is it's certainly not an injury. There's
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  Speaker 2: no list like there's no designation that they could find,
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  Speaker 2: so they just use that non football injury and it's
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  Speaker 2: all because they didn't patch the conditioning test.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing him and you probably had like eighty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the team on it, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of players that No, I've never said anything like that
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  Speaker 2: because I remember asking them, like, what the hell, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on here? Oh, it's conditioning test. Yeah, we don't
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  Speaker 2: have there's no other list to put them on so
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  Speaker 2: that they can't practically pass it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I always got to kick when I found out,
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  Speaker 1: and some teams have different specs, but like I remember
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  Speaker 1: finding out what the ego like, if you're an offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're you're not required to run the same number
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  Speaker 1: of gassers or in the same amount of time as
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  Speaker 1: a wide receiver, obviously for physiological reasons, but I always
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  Speaker 1: found that interesting how they separated who has to do
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  Speaker 1: what by position, because you know, I'm sure some receivers
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  Speaker 1: and running backs and corners are like, that's not fair.
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  Speaker 1: These guys they only have to do you know, five gassers,
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  Speaker 1: we have to do fifteen. It's like, well, dude, you
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  Speaker 1: weigh like two hundred pounds less than that guy.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean asking like asking Mark markel Bell, who's
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  Speaker 2: way up there? No, we'll see, you know, he's over
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  Speaker 2: six nine. We'll see what he weighs. Because, as we
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  Speaker 2: hold folks, when he was drafted, the concern that coaches
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  Speaker 2: we spoke with who grated him said his weight is concern.
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  Speaker 2: He was aware of it, like he probud be getting
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  Speaker 2: really good physical shapes. We'll see. Yeah, one of the
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  Speaker 2: many things we'll be looking for when we talk, we
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  Speaker 2: have we'll have a show leading up. We would give
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  Speaker 2: you the top ten things we'll be looking for in
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  Speaker 2: training campus. I was talking our Patreon. We did a
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  Speaker 2: Patreon a livestream on Sunday night, and I told folks,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I shot at the top of my head.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other. Number one, by far is yelling hurts
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  Speaker 2: to the timing too. Number two, which is very important,
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  Speaker 2: is the healthy offensive line Lane Johnson and Jurkins Dickerson. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, now, you know we didn't know this last summer.
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  Speaker 2: Who the hell knew wasn't on our radar. We learned
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  Speaker 2: a lot and everyone did. Everyone did.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what I would really love to see before we
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  Speaker 1: get started, what we're gonna do today, what I would
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  Speaker 1: really love to see is a nice debate NFL style
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  Speaker 1: debate between Jeff Miller and Vic Fangio, who has been
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  Speaker 1: a very proponent of the ramp up period and has
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  Speaker 1: sort of capitalized on some unique opportunities to present that.
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  Speaker 1: For example, is Darius Smith signed with the Eagles. You
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  Speaker 1: guys remember in the middle of the year, right, and
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  Speaker 1: then he played really well in his first game, and
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  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio was like, yeah, shows you how much that
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  Speaker 1: ram ramp up process is really meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he actually what he what he did say
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  Speaker 2: is how he there may or may I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if there there's some kind of ramp up period in
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  Speaker 2: regular season, but I don't know if it's the same
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  Speaker 2: as the training camp one. I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: days are different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, But the point is,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, he made a joke of it, but
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  Speaker 2: the data, the Jeff's really he's very accessible, really really
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  Speaker 2: good dude. He's one of my favorite people to deal
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  Speaker 2: with during my time of of you know, asking questions
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  Speaker 2: and calling folks and asking NFL office, Hey, what's what's
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  Speaker 2: the story of this. Dean Vandina was great, and Dean
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  Speaker 2: obviously does a lot of media work, and I think
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  Speaker 2: he was doing work with the USFL. But he's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: He and remember he was not a football He was
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  Speaker 2: actually a stand up comedian. Those people don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: You freaking forgot that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's got a good good good dude, he's uh.
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  Speaker 2: We actually interviewed him on our podcast or our platform.
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  Speaker 2: We got a little clip out of it many years ago.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, this show today is interesting. Yeah, this show today,
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  Speaker 2: This show today is gonna be fun. It's it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit easier, to be honestly than the defensive one.
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  Speaker 2: The defensive one was interesting, but that's gonna be on
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday show, right.
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  Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do this is gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: fun week on ITV because today this podcast and the
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  Speaker 1: next one, as Adam was saying, we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 1: the player at each position, who is most on the
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  Speaker 1: bubble and why, and then because this episode, because doing
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  Speaker 1: offense is a little bit easier, as Adam mentioned, than defense.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do, Adham, I didn't tell you I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do this is play a little bit of Devil's
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  Speaker 1: Advocate on a few of the ones on offense, just
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  Speaker 1: to kind of get people to see what the picture
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  Speaker 1: might look like and why it could be clouded if
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  Speaker 1: one certain thing happens. So we'll get into that. But
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  Speaker 1: that's a good person most on the roster Bubble Offense today,
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday Defense, and then we're gonna walk down later in
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  Speaker 1: this week memory lane and come up with our what
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  Speaker 1: I call our favorite Lee Heisman's which is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they won the Lee Heisman Award for being awesome in
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  Speaker 1: training camp.
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  Speaker 2: But really yeah, by the way, you have to clue
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  Speaker 2: nover care too. That's id to added.
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  Speaker 1: We will kill the oh, yes, we will consider all
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  Speaker 1: training camps, but but the award will be the Lee
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  Speaker 1: Heisman because that's just a great fit the Lee Heisman.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the old time Eagles fans, Jeff was not
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  Speaker 2: covering the team's team then, but one of the training
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  Speaker 2: camp legends at Westchester I wasn't covering the team then
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  Speaker 2: was Billy Hess. Billy Hess. Did he go to Westchester?
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  Speaker 2: Did he go to Westchester?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I've heard the legend of Billy Hess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy Hess was kind of like a maybe a
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  Speaker 2: slot receiver. Yeah, I have to Yeah, he was. He
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  Speaker 2: did go he did go to Westchester. Wow, he did
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  Speaker 2: go to Westchester? How about that?
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah he was he was a he was
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  Speaker 2: a quickly Yeah he was a little slaught receiver. I
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  Speaker 2: was right, five eight, one seventy five. There you go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, they look the and I guess my list
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  Speaker 2: on Patreon of like tough five guys who came to
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  Speaker 2: my mind, but they were all offense. I couldn't think
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  Speaker 2: of any defense. We will have them. So that's that.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get roll in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah real quick. I do want to plug though, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know, Andrew di Cheko is doing a great
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  Speaker 1: series of quote Lee Heisman's or we call him training
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  Speaker 1: campb ll engends and the last one will be this week.
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  Speaker 1: It is an awesome one. Should I tease it or
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  Speaker 1: should I say who it is?
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  Speaker 2: And people don't give it away? But the last that
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  Speaker 2: the by the way, the cornelist singer one get a
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  Speaker 2: huge number comparefully to the for everything else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah people, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then Jeremy Bloom Last Friday is available on all platforms.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy is I know a lot of people were disappointed.
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  Speaker 2: He just never really made it. If smaller guys done
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  Speaker 2: very well in private business. But yeah, he was you know,
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  Speaker 2: Olympic scare punt kickoff returner. He just never really made it.
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  Speaker 2: He was a big hype guy, like people were super
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  Speaker 2: excited about him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you should really listened to that episode because Jeremy
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  Speaker 1: and Andrew really going into why he did not succeed
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  Speaker 1: in football. It wasn't just because he might have been
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  Speaker 1: like small or not that good.
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  Speaker 2: There was a.
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  Speaker 1: Physiological explanation that stemmed from his career as an Olympic
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  Speaker 1: skier and then going back to being football that I'll
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  Speaker 1: leave it to Andrew and Jeremy, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: really awesome episode and really enlightening as to why he
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  Speaker 1: didn't succeed in football, and then also gives you that
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  Speaker 1: kind of like well what if that went through his head?
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  Speaker 1: And then all I'll say for this next one and
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  Speaker 1: last one that Andrew did. It is a former Eagles
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  Speaker 1: running back who was so great in training camp in
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  Speaker 1: the preseason that not only was he someone Eagles fans
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with, but to this day he still
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  Speaker 1: gets Eagles fans writing to him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this the only thing I'll give you is I
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  Speaker 2: broke his story when he got cut and the heat
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  Speaker 2: that they literally get mad at me like it was
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  Speaker 2: my fault. I'm just tell you, and I told the
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  Speaker 2: reason why reasons or reason why. And look, I remember
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  Speaker 2: Lorentzo Booker. You go through like so many good training
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  Speaker 2: kip running backs, right, sometimes the roster's too big. You
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  Speaker 2: know you're willing to sneak them through waivers. There's multitutive reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But this one's interesting. And then look you we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get Rashid Bailey on one of these days, who I've
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  Speaker 2: known for a long time, played delve Alex from here.
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  Speaker 2: He's haven't been doing media stuff now as a CFL champion,
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  Speaker 2: but he did really well by the way in the
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  Speaker 2: CFL after the Eagles cut him. Wow did he right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: All right, so yeah, make sure you can't It'll be
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, Friday of the last.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So this episode the player on the bubble, most player
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  Speaker 1: most on the bubble at each position. On offense, we
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  Speaker 1: start with quarterback and I guess it's obvious in a
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  Speaker 1: non obvious way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is called Payton. Yeah, Cal Peyton's a guy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's he's on the bubble because
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  Speaker 2: he needs his major issues with his throw mechanics. There's
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  Speaker 2: talent there, he's an athlete, he's built well, but he
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  Speaker 2: needs major breakdown on its mechanics and parks. Fraser is
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  Speaker 2: going to be charged with it. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: his job. He's got to get It's weird throwing motion,
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  Speaker 2: it's hebo escal It's certainly it's close to t but
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  Speaker 2: it's not quite the same obviously, and they have a
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  Speaker 2: similar build of both lefties and the both athletes. And
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  Speaker 2: he has some arm strength. I saw it in OTAs,
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  Speaker 2: but he also has balls that look like it's got
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  Speaker 2: to tail on the back of it. Right, It's a
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  Speaker 2: mechanics So look, remember now, if the Eagles get what
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  Speaker 2: they would be willing to accepting the key, they could
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  Speaker 2: move him. They may have serious leverage at the end
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  Speaker 2: of training camp if a starter gets hurt or you know,
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: if Juno Smith is not looking good, you never know,
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: the Jets get involved. So look, he has value and
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: Dalton will be the backup. Dalton's making four million this season,
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: he goes home a million and a half, the Panther's
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  Speaker 2: home two point five minutes. All guaranteed. He's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: the roster. Uh. How he's caught a fifth round pick
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  Speaker 2: before he cud he cut the kid who was a
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  Speaker 2: fifth round in twenty eighteen. So oh, Clayton Thorson, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so there's precedent for it. So think there's a really
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  Speaker 2: bad narrative of how he doesn't cut of straft picks.
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  Speaker 2: That's totally false.
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  Speaker 1: He does. Oh yeah, colbm cord last year. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: not mistaken, Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, six of course he did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you get into the third and fourth round.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, shake that shake absolutely, I have one. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's what you could say. Look, uh, Donald Pumphrey
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  Speaker 2: looked really bad. It is his training kit. But one
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  Speaker 2: of the things I like about how he is Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he'll eventually pull the pull the trick. He'll pull the
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  Speaker 2: cord and say, you know what, I was wrong, I
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  Speaker 2: missed it. But he's going to give the guy a chance.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's going to give me a guy a chance.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes coaches want the guy off the roster. This is
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  Speaker 2: the push and pull that GM's have with with coaches.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be willing to say no, no, we
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  Speaker 2: we're in the player development here. REI in As we
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  Speaker 2: told folks when he was hired. The one thing we
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  Speaker 2: heard coming out of the his interviews was he was
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  Speaker 2: very big on player development, and boy that that has
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  Speaker 2: been the case.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know now, when I said it was
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  Speaker 1: obvious in a not so obvious way that he was
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  Speaker 1: the player most on the bubble at quarterback Cole Peyton.
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  Speaker 1: The only not obvious about it is you could you
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  Speaker 1: could again Devil's make an argument he's really not on
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  Speaker 1: the bubble in that he could look terrible, he could
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  Speaker 1: fall on his face, he could not hit the broad
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  Speaker 1: side of a barn for two weeks. But he's way
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  Speaker 1: likely to make the team regardless of that, because of
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  Speaker 1: what you just said, the athleticism, the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: use a fifth round pick on him, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they know that he's a project. They don't want to
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  Speaker 1: let him go.
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  Speaker 2: They know.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like they don't know what they're dealing with here.
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  Speaker 2: All right, he does a ton of upset. But the
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  Speaker 2: problem the thing is when you cut, when you decide
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  Speaker 2: to waive a player, a player that has less less
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  Speaker 2: than four years experience.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It's it comes down to this, do we think we
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  Speaker 2: can get it for waivers. There's a very realistic chance
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  Speaker 2: they get him for waivers. I think because he's such
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  Speaker 2: a he's such a project, he's a total project.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna worry about the bad teams that have bad
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  Speaker 1: fifty threes that are willing to you know, might have
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  Speaker 1: wanted to take Peyton in the same round, didn't get him,
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  Speaker 1: and now they have an opportunity to bring him in
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  Speaker 1: or to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's just he's just so far away, man,
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  Speaker 2: He's just he's so far away. So that's quarterback. That's
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  Speaker 2: that's that would be it for.
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  Speaker 1: Me, all right, obvious one cold Payton all right? Running
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  Speaker 1: back also somewhat obvious. And I feel like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: obvious because more so because of the player and the
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  Speaker 1: scheme they're about to run than if this were the
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  Speaker 1: same kind of accomplished guy and who played in the scheme.
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  Speaker 1: I think you might argue, hey, maybe he can push
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  Speaker 1: will Shipley off, But I don't, you know, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Damian Pierce here, a guy who is not laterally quick,
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  Speaker 1: and they're gonna do a lot of his wide zone.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a running up the gut type of
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  Speaker 1: running here. And haven't Matt Great you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I know this. He starts struggling. I talked to
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: someone with the text on this one. They moved his
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  Speaker 2: own on a Bobby Slowak. He just did not fit.
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  Speaker 2: He just couldn't get it. He went to Kansas City,
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  Speaker 2: he just it didn't work. And I don't now here's
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  Speaker 2: the interesting thing. This is why contracts matter. He has
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  Speaker 2: an opening day roster bonus if he's on the fifty
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  Speaker 2: three man roster. Not only that, he's got to be
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  Speaker 2: active on the game day roster. He actually has to
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: be active Game one against Washington. Right, So that boy
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  Speaker 2: he's written and it's not a lot of money. It's
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  Speaker 2: under Hunter Grand. Yeah, but there's a reason why they
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  Speaker 2: put it in their folks. So, right, he's a real
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  Speaker 2: long shot.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people remember twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 1: when he was with Houston and he ran for nine
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards. He had a little bit total.
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  Speaker 1: He was in the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Mix
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: had I think like five touchdowns that year. So but again,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: we've seen this a lot. A guy gets into, especially
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a running back, he get like an Alfred Morris, the
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: guy who doesn't have great physical traits, attributes or anything
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: like that gets in the right scheme, they become a
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: high volume ball carrier because of injuries or whatever, and
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: they succeed. But even that year he was four point
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: three yards carry, which is good, not amazing, But he
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: was two point nine the very next year, So you
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: could already start to tell that, you know, there was
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: a ceiling to who Demean Pierce was.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yep, totally great.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: All right, So he is the running back most on
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the bully, would you and and even more so than
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell? Maybe because right, Elijah Mitchell.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Has he's not gonna make it. I mean it's not either.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But if you were to.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Give one guy a better shot to make the team,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Mitchell or Pierce, Well here's the problem because of the scheme.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: No, well, he fits a scheme. But the thing is
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: he's he's a vested veteran. They just cut him. They could. Yeah,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: he's not subject awaver. That's a big reason why you'd
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: cut him. That's the biggest reason. That's one and two.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Injury history is just so bad. But you're right, he's
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: absolutely system fit. Oh that's why. It's the only reason
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: why is here?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, he was.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: He could not have been a better fit for the Niners.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: He looked so good when he played, but he just
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: he's a multitude of injuries. So that's it for running back.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, receivers interesting because it's it's look. Elijah Moore
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: was so good early in his career. Then he he
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: couldn't deal with playing with Zach Wilson. He asked for
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: a trade. He got out and Cleveland, he did some
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: decent things and they moved on. It was with Buffalo
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: didn't work. They cut him on and off Denver's roster
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: and made him bring him back. So he's down on
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: his fifth team and he just turned twenty six.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he's that young, honestly.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Twenty eight Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, he was
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a second runner in twenty one. He might have been
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: twenty when he was drafted, right, But he's a big
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: reason why he's here is because of Joe Douglas. He
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: drafted him with the Jets. He plays two positions. He
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: plays a slap position in the Z position. He's a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: veteran guy's talented, but he didn't play good football in
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: a long time. It's it's going to be hard because
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: right now, the chances of Johnny Wilson making it are
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: pretty high. Why because he can block especially one thing well,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: he only does one thing well and he's really good
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: at it. They missing last season. Here's what we know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Smith Wicks, Lemon absolute locks on the team. Brown is
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: making the team. They five million full of guaranteed. How
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: he's not walking away from five million.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: He's just not right now.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: The question is for the fit. It's Wilson, it's Cooper.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Cooper could be caught, but I have him on the roster.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not putting him on the bubble now.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: But now has a bad training camp, will be on
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the bubble, right, But Elijah Moore is not a big
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: special teams guy, and it's gonna be hard. So that's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: where I'm not huge.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: That's that's why you someone can make an argument, well,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: maybe Darius Cooper is what if he's not What if
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: he has a really bad camp and he's undrafted, He's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a better special teamer because he's played it than what
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Eli Moore gives. Yeah, elives Moore has to prove more.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. That's where I'm at, all right. I like that.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: The next one's gonna be interesting.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I love. Uh, this is the one. Yeah, this is
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the one. And I know there are a lot of
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: fans that don't like this guy injury history. You know
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: he's an athlete, but he done block well at all.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: You didn't have a good year last year, Grand Kakaterra,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you go still brought him back six round pick in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Concussion history in college, He's had a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: couple good athletic moments, but overall he's been a mild disappointment.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But then again, he's a six round pick. What can
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you expect. Kim Latu is not making a lot of money.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: He blots way better way. There's more upside a lat too.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: To me. They got Stone Smart, DJ Jenkins, Takwon Bright,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: who we've talked about a lot. He's very gifted. Calkatara's got.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a lot of guaranteed money. It's a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: hundred two million. It's a cut very cutable contract. I'm
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he's absolutely in the bubble. Yeah he is. The guys
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: they only really guaranteed him. They guaranteed him about just
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: over seven hundred thousand. That's not a lot of money.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: A lot of money. His contracts two million. They guaranteed
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: less than half of it he's got. He's not approven
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: don Me's sure he's worth beyond the roster beyond with you.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I mean I agree with you. I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: we talk about the money says a lot, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: going back to Mick morro signing for no and he
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: only wound up coming back and making it because of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the injuries they had. But I think sometimes based on
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the reactions we get and sometimes the questions we get
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: from audience, people associate when you sign your contract a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: little bit. They get hung up on that too much.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And I know that the Eagles resigned Calcultara on March tenth.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I think that was before the new league year started,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: so it gave some impression that he was like a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: priority for them to bring back. No, they just didn't.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: As we said many times throughout the off season, they
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: had zero depth and bodies at the position they needed
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to remake the position they needed to have. Everybody they were.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Going to have, they don't know they're going to be
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: able to actual Yeah, he signed.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: It was much either the day before or day after
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: free agency.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he This is an odd thing because we
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: say this every year. Usually you want to wait for
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: a guy like him because you have you have all
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the leverage. I just wonder if there's another team involved,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I really do, because I would not have guaranteed him
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a dime another team involved.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: The couldn't have been a whole lot of money. Maybe
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: there was, but I mean, I don't know.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it's why you would sign
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: him now, you would sign him in March? How would
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: heck would you sign him in March? Why don't you
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: make him wait till after the draft and you have
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: all the leverage. I'm just thinking so.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But again, like they were so perilous with depth. You
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: want to have people who you can rely on, people
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: who know.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: The season doesn't start in September. It's like there's no
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: run for Greg. I just I was like everyone else,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: they're really bringing him back? Wow. Now, the one thing
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: before we move on to the next position. Mm hmm,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: let's just assume that the coach will be better. Last year,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the tight ends regressed. I know, I know Coder had
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a career year in touchdowns by far, but look at
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the red zone and and the way he was used.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But what they're doing asked to how they were being
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: asked to block was pathetic. We pointed out with tape breakdowns,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it's not just a spouting off what we had. We
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: had d we had evidence. Yeah, okay, So the hope
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: here is that Ryan mahaffey does a better job of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: asking these tight ends to to not do things that
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: are not capable of doing.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Correct. That doesn't mean we're saying you're never gonna have
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: be in a situation where Grant Calcata is not going
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to block somebody he's going there should have to. Yeah, right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but you know we saw too many of those went
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like coming across the line. Yeah, yeah, that was not his.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: So that's tight end.
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  Speaker 1: one and up. All right, so the offensive line, we'll
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get to the offensive we'll go two.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: We'll go too.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Offensive linemen who are most on the bubble. First one,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: god be Miles Hinton, because they already are not sure
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: whether it's a tackle or guard and they're just trying
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to see what they got.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: What's not that they're not sure, it's they're doing it
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: because they they're gonna want to give them a chance
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to make the team.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: That's why they Right, isn't that the same thing? The
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: thing they're not sure exactly where he's best though, Like.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: No, I yeah, I know you say.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: If they were he was gonna be on the fifty
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: three at one position or another, they would be Okay, it's.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The same church, different few kind of thing. It's like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the truth is here and I look, they know more
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: than we do. Obviously, I would be interested to know
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: if Stout would have done this, because look, he was
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: right with Mackay Beckton like that was a shocker, you know.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: But this guy, here's the problem with it. He's playing
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a power position inside. That doesn't mean he won't be
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: playing tackle in uh oh gez. But the cross train
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of mc guard, the big knock on him from scout
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: standpoint for what we were told was to finesse, he
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: needs to play with a light under him. Yeah, now
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you're gonna try, You're gonna cross cham mcguard really right, Okay?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It is hidden.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Did Hinton finish it? He finished at Michigan, right, he
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: started at Stanford in Africa. It's so funny. If you
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: were to pick two schools where you would say you
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: don't often see finesse guys from you would say Stanford,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: especially for a while with their with their tight ends
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and their power running game from Harbaugh to David Shaw,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like they were always breeding, you know, guys in the trenches.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And then Michigan we already the same thing Harbaugh, Like
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it's very rare to find a guy that you're questioning
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: power averse finesse from those schools. So I think that's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I had I had a personal director told
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: me one year that he's like, he goes, when I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: become a GM, we're never drafting any players on the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: PAC twelve. I'm like, why, you know how soft these
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: guys are? You know how these guys are?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that about cal guys especially, Okay, whatever,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Al had that reputation.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you know it's Hocky wasn't doing a
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: scientific study, but I understand and uh yeah it's and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: he started spouting off names. I was like, wow, that's
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a pretty weak list. I was like, guys who aren't
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: physically strong. Yeah, okay. I was like, okay, hey, you
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: know more than I know. I was like, I'm not
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: gonna argue with it, but that's interesting.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: You know, right now, before anybody like sends like there,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: but I know there's probably like California fans out there,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: what are they Golden Bears or whatever? Right, We're gonna
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: find like three or four really awesome players in the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: NFL and send them to me. I'm not saying every play.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it was more than one personel that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Cal kind of had the reputation of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: guys will work out warriors. They would blow up combines,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they would blow up pro days. But in the NFL.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I got one for you.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where did that?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Didn't Ashton Davis go to Cal Berkeley?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I think he did?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And that was a guy who was You talked
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: about it. You just so you said workout war and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that's what I said, Ashton Davis. I'll double check.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you did. He was as not someone
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: who like someone. I just want to be clear. That's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: not someone who's ever said to me, you know, this
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: guy's finesse or whatever.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, oh no, he was by the way,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: he he was signed with the Niners. Yeah, he did
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: go to Cal. He was a big time super freak athlete,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: but not a great.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Is he with the Miners now he finally signed? Oh okay, wow,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Nice.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But he is just he's just like he's just he's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just an athlete, you know, He's That's just the way
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it is. I mean, you know, you gotta like the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: test numbers were great, but the tape down doesn't see
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: this is where data. This is where numbers data slash data.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It's got a match up with the tape right Like
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's very rare for a big time data guy
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to be a great football player just off the off
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the hoof. It's just it's hard for you know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So all right, one more offensive lineman, squarely on the bubble,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: most on the bubble.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, this one here. This guy did
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: very well. Getst Washington. I would say fair, I'd say,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: let's put when I say very well, way better expectations. Yes,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, as we outline it. The the original plan
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: was he wouldn't play last season, and Cameron Williams right,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and I just remember, like leading up to that game, like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: why did they just play him if he's he was
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: on IR But why did if he's healthy? What what
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: do you have to lose? Gave? It don't mean anything? Yes,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: play him, right, And they wound up playing him and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Rember greg Sel saying, wow, he he played pretty well.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But here's the good thing is they've got a bunch
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of we've been talking about for years where the development
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: developmental linemen. We've got Drew Kennell's he's developing rapidly. Hinton,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: who we talked about, Michael Marris this year, Willie Lampkin,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Hollin Pierce, Cam Williams, Markel bell Is. The hope is
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: he'll be Lane's replacement. We'll see. So they got plenty
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of them. This is great.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of cooks in that kitchen. Eventually
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: one's going to become the top two or three chefs.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Well, left offensive tackle.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that's right, So it's got to work out for somebody.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: But and Howie has the history of keeping your draft
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: did offensive lineman. But doesn't mean he won't cut him.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: But these guys have to. Like Cam Williams was raw
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: when they drafted him, but his tape was intriguing. Hinton
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: was an athletic, decent length left tackle, pretty sharp kid.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But there's a.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Reason why he dropped. And yeah he's despite playing in Michigan.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I mean he was only a six round pick, right,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: we'll see.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Eagles will have this conversation with
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Elves of whether or not they think they can cut
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson and bring him back to the practice squad
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to make sure that they can keep a young tackle.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It would be a roll of dice and a risk.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: But well, well no, but you you know it's not
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a really roll of the dice. What you do is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you would talk to Drew Rosenauns his agents, say hey,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: here's what we're doing. He's not subject to waivers. This
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: is where Howie's relationship with agents. He's generally very good.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: He's got great and he's known Drew forever, done hundreds
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of deals with Drew.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: This is where you say, hey, here's where we're at.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It's like with Charlie Hewlett, right, yeah, you got it, Like, hey, listen,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: here's what we're thinking. Would you be willing to you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we'll we'll guarantee his practice whatever you or you say, hey, listen,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: we need like we need to two or three weeks,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: give us two or three weeks. Would you be willing
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to do that? And your freend's always liked it here,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: but Stout's not here. He he you know, he loves out.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Stout's not here. But this is where you gotta you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: got a reason with him, say here's where we're at.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's a great point you make. It's like that, literally,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: if Williams and Hinton are doing really well. Mm hmm,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you're you're, you're, you're right there, because it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Might make him the most player of the alignment, most
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: on the bubble. IF's but you could, but you could.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Always just look at you look at another position. You know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you also have got J. T. Gray who want play
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: safety unlessre's emergency. He's just a special teams player. That
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: one is simple. You just say, looks, dude, here's the deal.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: We want you back. You know what your role is,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but we can't. We can't keep you on the roster.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Like he's in.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: The back arm his cretic. What is he? There was no,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like the Eagles gave him a lot of money.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: They were like what kind of climbering with their b
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: form the Fred Johnson he had some good tape pleasure.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Now he's not a leade, he's not great, but he's
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a solid backup. Like there would be some interest in
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: him if the Eagles got him, there would be well see,
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