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Chris Long on NFL Win Totals, NBA Finals and more · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: am Chad Milman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: We have our favorite recurring guest on the show today
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  Speaker 1: joining me to do this podcast today, my co host,
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  Speaker 1: my companion, Mike com Pottery, my bff professional better Simon Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: O Simon, how are we doing? Chad?
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  Speaker 1: Simon? I don't ever want you to be lonely. I
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  Speaker 1: know you know you always have me. But today we
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  Speaker 1: also have our favorite recurring guest, two time Super Bowl champion,
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  Speaker 1: eleven year NFL veteran host of the wildly popular Greenlight podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Long Yay, so lonely sometimes?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Look you're looking at a couple of guys with successful podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: We're still lonely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm old, and my kids. One of my
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  Speaker 1: kids doesn't live at home, and one of my kids
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  Speaker 1: is a teenager who would rather not live at home,
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  Speaker 1: and so I have excuses to be lonely. Yes, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are you know in your thirties, Chris, You've got
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  Speaker 1: a young family. Simon is rich, and you know relatively
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  Speaker 1: famous in certain circles. I don't know why either.
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  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be you shouldn't be lonely. There's you and
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  Speaker 2: I have excuses, But yeah, women love professional sports betters
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  Speaker 2: that have pos they do they do they do. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: that funny that like that's like one uh one group
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  Speaker 2: of people that probably doesn't get any more girls because
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  Speaker 2: of what they do? You know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 2: women are just not into professional sports betting, are they? Now?
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  Speaker 3: I just always get the side on the girls, like
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  Speaker 3: you must think you're so cool. It's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't work the same.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else, women aren't into professional sports writing.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that. I can tell you that
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's gotta be another peg down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing lonelier talk about lonely. There's nothing lonelier
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  Speaker 1: than the bar at a Marriott Hotel on a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: night after you've just finished covering Chris Long and like
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  Speaker 1: you write and the Saint Louis Rams and like you're
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  Speaker 1: at the whatever Edward Jones Dome or whatever that was,
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  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Drury in right next to the exactly, and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, don't you want to hear about Greg Williams
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  Speaker 2: calling more cover too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, and like you'd sit in that
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  Speaker 1: press box, you'd write eight hundred crappy words about some
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  Speaker 1: game that is no different than any other game. Then
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  Speaker 1: you go to that goddamn hotel. You're waiting for a
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  Speaker 1: call from an editor who's going to say, hey, can
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  Speaker 1: you fix this? Hey, can you find a quote? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what am I going to fucking do? Am I gonna
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  Speaker 1: call Chris Long right now at his house and see
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  Speaker 1: if he can give me a better quote than when
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  Speaker 1: he gave me after the game. It's fucking terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Everyboddy just pillages your intellectual property and regurgitates it the
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  Speaker 2: next day, because the start of the chain is the writers,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, the writers are the
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  Speaker 2: first ones in, and then everybody else takes a bite
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  Speaker 2: the next day. So it's like you got this thankless shop.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Thank you for thank you for
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  Speaker 1: recognizing that it's actually you know what, this is a
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  Speaker 1: the Action Action Network YouTube page. All right, so NBA
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  Speaker 1: Finals are starting today, are tonight, and we got Chris here.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to not give picks for the NBA Finals. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: I know you've been thinking of out. I know Simon's
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  Speaker 1: been talking a lot of pros. Obviously, we've been doing
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  Speaker 1: an incredible amount of coverage on Action Network. If people
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  Speaker 1: are not listening to Matt Moore and the Buckets podcast,
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  Speaker 1: it is so brilliant. It is our fastest growing podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It is nailing the analysis of these games,
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  Speaker 1: and it is so much fun to listen to. Definitely
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  Speaker 1: do that. Simon, give me your take. What are you
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  Speaker 1: hearing from the pros?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say most people, shockingly, if they've been
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  Speaker 3: listening to sports media. I think most people are talking
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  Speaker 3: about the Celtics are a better team, right, they model
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  Speaker 3: them out better. I believe they're, you know, only team
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  Speaker 3: with twenty losses in the playoffs this year, like they
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  Speaker 3: just were a great off season. But the interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: is you talk to the professional betters and it's really torn,
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  Speaker 3: It's not really they're they're not all just buying in
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  Speaker 3: on this Boston team, right, even though Boston is well
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  Speaker 3: minus two thirty had a lot of bookstad like that's
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  Speaker 3: a big number for a series price before they've even
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  Speaker 3: played one game here. So really interesting talking to pros
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  Speaker 3: because going into it, I thought everybody would be on
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  Speaker 3: the Luca Kyrie Dallas trade. It's like basketball, at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the game, when there's three minutes to go,
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  Speaker 3: there's only five dudes on the court. And if you
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  Speaker 3: have two killers, legitimate killers in basketball, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's game over. Like if you have the Lebron Wade combo,
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  Speaker 3: it's impossible to stop. And that's what I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we have here with Kyrie and Luca. So yeah, there's
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  Speaker 3: many games where Boston will do their thing right, they'll
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  Speaker 3: shoot their three shad, they'll hit their threes, and I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of people view that as they could
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  Speaker 3: easily win this series. Right, if they're hitting their threes,
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  Speaker 3: they'll win this. But I think most of us know
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  Speaker 3: how it gets in the playoffs, right, guys, get tight,
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  Speaker 3: it gets really they pull you into the mud, doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter if it's basketball or football. They pull you down
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  Speaker 3: in the mud and they know your best tendencies. Right,
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  Speaker 3: there are no secrets, and to me, you know, talking
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  Speaker 3: to We've had a couple NBIA players on this podcast
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  Speaker 3: talking to them. There is no great defense to stop
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  Speaker 3: great offense, right even I mean your favorite player, Michael
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  Speaker 3: Jordan the glove. He laughed at him, saying the glove
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  Speaker 3: was like I could stop him. It's like the greatness
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  Speaker 3: and basketball. You just can't stop the greatness on offense.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how I feel here with Luca. So for me,
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  Speaker 3: I like to have fun betting these You've already missed
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  Speaker 3: the good future of market unless you want to take
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  Speaker 3: them at you know, plus two hundred on some books.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna bet them to win in six so four
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  Speaker 3: to two series price. You can get that at plus
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  Speaker 3: you know a thousand plus one thousand, two hundred some books.
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  Speaker 3: That to me is a fun bet to make here
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  Speaker 3: on Dallas, and I just I like this team. I
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  Speaker 3: just love Luca and I think he's the best player
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  Speaker 3: in the world right now.
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  Speaker 2: To me, that's got to count for something. Chris, I'm
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  Speaker 2: pulling for Yeah, I'm pulling for the MAVs. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: just can't. I'm not anti Boston. I played there the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, but Boston's had so much fun, so I
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  Speaker 2: want to see other teams win. And I also think
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  Speaker 2: it's fun that every time lately that I mean, Dallas
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  Speaker 2: has had great professional sports teams outside the Cowboys, and
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  Speaker 2: I kind of love that the pressure gets put on
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys. So I'd love to see Even heard Dak
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  Speaker 2: say something about it. Dak was like, oh, I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's more pressure on us. Like I would love to
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  Speaker 2: see the MAVs get a win. I'm a Mark Cuban fan.
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  Speaker 2: I also I love I kind of liking the Luca thing.
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  Speaker 2: To me and Ryan Rosilla, we're talking about this, like
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  Speaker 2: who is Luca like in the NFL, you know, from
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback standpoint, because in the NBA you get cleaner
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  Speaker 2: parallels with the narratives, right and Luca not being able
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  Speaker 2: to get over the hump people questioning him. Kind of
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like Lamar Jackson in the playoffs thing
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  Speaker 2: until this year, Like it's kind of like a Justin Herbert,
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  Speaker 2: like when is this generational talent going to bear fruit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see him, you know, join the ranks
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  Speaker 2: to the guys that got championships and he'd be the
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  Speaker 2: reason why. And then Kyrie, Kyrie's got to be one
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  Speaker 2: of the best wing men of all time. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not talking about like a wing I'm talking about like
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  Speaker 2: a robin. You know, if you look at where he's
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  Speaker 2: popped up and what he's added to those situations. Man,
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  Speaker 2: you can't say the MAVs would be here without him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's been games where Luca would go cold
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  Speaker 2: and then he'd just take over, and it'd be like
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  Speaker 2: he'd start the game and then Luca would finish it.
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  Speaker 2: To your point, Simon, like having two guys that can
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  Speaker 2: close it out if one's if one's a little cold,
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  Speaker 2: the other one can pick up the slack. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to bet Dallas full series and just hold on
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  Speaker 2: for dear life. This will be the last thing I
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  Speaker 2: bet for a while, you know, because I'm not doing baseball.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing the Olympics unless you guys talk me
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  Speaker 2: into it. But I'm going to take the MAVs.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting, Simon. We had Josh Richardson of
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  Speaker 1: the Heat on the podcast last week and I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was great and the one thing that we didn't
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  Speaker 1: press him on, and maybe Chris can speak to this
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  Speaker 1: as a former professional athlete, the Kyrie transformation, the Kyrie
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  Speaker 1: narrative of being a heel, being a guy who went
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  Speaker 1: from team to team to team was so disruptive, was
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  Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of teams didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: invest in to all of a sudden, being a guy
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  Speaker 1: that has transformed his reputation and become, like Chris just said,
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  Speaker 1: the perfect wingman to what Luca is doing and the
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  Speaker 1: way Luca has embraced him and the way they play
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  Speaker 1: off each other. He will do nothing in the first
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  Speaker 1: half and then when he senses it, he will go
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  Speaker 1: off exactly when he needs it. For Chris, what is
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  Speaker 1: it like to have a mercurial, generationally great talent on
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  Speaker 1: your team? How do you manage that as a player.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone like Aaron Donald? But yeah, I can count
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  Speaker 2: a couple guys that I thought of in that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like Aaron Donald being the obvious one. And one of
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  Speaker 2: my biggest regrets was not staying healthier at the end
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  Speaker 2: of my tenure in Saint Louis because we had such
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  Speaker 2: a great line and Aaron was a big part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But it obviously got banged up and then released two
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  Speaker 2: years later, So me and Aaron barely crossed over when
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  Speaker 2: it came to like me being at my best, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, with Aaron on the team, it frees up
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  Speaker 2: a lot for other people obviously, so you get singles,
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  Speaker 2: you know where the slide's going, you know where they're
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  Speaker 2: going to pay attention. But one of the hidden downsides
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  Speaker 2: of having somebody like that on your defensive line is
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  Speaker 2: the ball is going to come out quick. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people would be like, hey, Aaron Donald,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to help everybody, and it does in certain scenarios.
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  Speaker 2: But you enter a game where Aaron Donald's on the
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  Speaker 2: on the docket from a offensive game planning standpoint, and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to get the ball out maybe two thirds
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  Speaker 2: as slow, you know what I mean, Like, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to speed it up. So if if snap to release
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  Speaker 2: is two seconds, they're gonna be one five. And so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the time you're gonna get into a
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  Speaker 2: game and be like, man, I'm rushing my ass off.
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  Speaker 2: I know Aaron's on the other side of me, like
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  Speaker 2: what's going on here? But their bubble screens as RPOs,
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  Speaker 2: it's get the ball out quick, and so it can't
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  Speaker 2: affect the team in a way that makes it more
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  Speaker 2: challenging for the guys around him. In some scenarios, but
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  Speaker 2: ultimately it's huge having a guy like that on your team,
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  Speaker 2: and it takes pressure off of you, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: just think about like if I were a basketball player
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  Speaker 2: and Luca were on my team, I could just play
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  Speaker 2: my role, you know, I can not try to be
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  Speaker 2: anything bigger than I am. I don't feel like I
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  Speaker 2: have to be the guy to make the play. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that can be pretty freeing to allow people
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  Speaker 2: like play their roles. And in football it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: When defenses get into trouble, people are trying to do
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  Speaker 2: too much right and when you have a guy like
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  Speaker 2: that on the side of the ball with you, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to do your job and you're going to focus
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  Speaker 2: on doing just that because you know that the guy
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  Speaker 2: that makes the special plays is lined up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: fifteen feet to my right. And so I've had guys
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  Speaker 2: like that. I've had guys like Robert Quinn, Robert Quinn
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  Speaker 2: opposite me, and Robert Quinn obviously helped a great deal.
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  Speaker 2: And people always ask, as kind of a sidebarb, what's
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  Speaker 2: more beneficial having a great rusher inside or having a
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  Speaker 2: great rusher opposite you, And as good as it is,
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  Speaker 2: to talk about these bookends. I think having a guy
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  Speaker 2: inside is truly transformational for an edge rusher. I also
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  Speaker 2: got to play with Fletcher Cox late in my career,
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  Speaker 2: and Fletcher Cox is the perfect type of superstar to
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  Speaker 2: play with because he's so team oriented, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: there were times where Fletcher it didn't matter who would
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  Speaker 2: get home. He knew he was creating. He didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be the one to make the play, and you
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  Speaker 2: could make plays off of him. So, you know, having
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  Speaker 2: guys like that on your team can create challenges, certainly
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  Speaker 2: because people are going to game plan differently. But the
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  Speaker 2: net positive effect of that is huge because it allows
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  Speaker 2: you to do your job and not be the star,
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  Speaker 2: because I've had to be the star before. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when I was in Saint Louis, I was one of
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  Speaker 2: the stars, and coming to the ballpark every week is
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  Speaker 2: way different. When you feel like you've got to be
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  Speaker 2: the one to make a play, the pressure can be
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  Speaker 2: pretty great.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what.
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  Speaker 3: You're saying, though, Chris, It's interesting that the push up
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  Speaker 3: the middle right, that's that's a big.
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  Speaker 2: Thing you're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: There's some quarterbacks that love to step up right where
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  Speaker 3: there's other quarterbacks that love to go outside. Sure, as
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  Speaker 3: at the end, you know those quarterbacks are right, We're like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: this could be a nice game for me, where if
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  Speaker 3: I just hold my edge only picking up some sacks here,
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  Speaker 3: and like you're saying that the players make the difference.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I have so many questions, but not that
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give Chat a hard time about his
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  Speaker 3: Kyrie take.
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  Speaker 2: But you're in football.
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  Speaker 3: Is it crazy how the media can paint you a
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  Speaker 3: certain way, where like Kyrie left Boston, Boston shit on
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  Speaker 3: this man, like you wouldn't believe everyone made him a
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  Speaker 3: crazy person?
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  Speaker 2: Right, those are the nets.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, we're not here to get in the
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  Speaker 3: vaccine talks, but even guys on this team, like Katie
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  Speaker 3: talked about it, it's like he just wants to play basketball.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, He's just a ooper.
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  Speaker 3: He just wants to play. So from your perspectives, it
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  Speaker 3: wild out like a meet. It can really shape our
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  Speaker 3: views on players, right.
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  Speaker 2: I think nowadays players get evaluated for their play on
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  Speaker 2: the field or on the court, but also we have
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  Speaker 2: a voice, so we express ourselves and we take a
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  Speaker 2: side of an issue, and a lot of times these
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  Speaker 2: are polarizing issues, and that might not line up perfectly
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  Speaker 2: with the conception of like who that player is on
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  Speaker 2: the team, how's Kyrie? How's Kyrie as a teammate? If
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  Speaker 2: you ask me, and I'm his teammate, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: answer that question. I'm not answering the question where do
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  Speaker 2: you stand on his vaccine stance or running ordered mind
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  Speaker 2: komf Off Amazon, the guys out there, you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: on some intellectual journey that I don't want to be on.
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  Speaker 2: But as a teammate, he might be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: He might be a guy that treats your family well,
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  Speaker 2: that you know, shoot hoops with your kids after a
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  Speaker 2: shoot around, and takes time to sign autographs. He might
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  Speaker 2: be a really good guy to play with, but you
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  Speaker 2: might not agree with some of the stances that he's taken.
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  Speaker 2: And I think also, like, you know, you bring up
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine stance, like this is the Aaron Rodgers thing
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  Speaker 2: that I think Aaron's always like people hate me because
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  Speaker 2: of the vaccine, Just me being honest. I don't hate
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers personally, and I also don't think it's just
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine. With people like Kirk Cousins, didn't take the vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins was like, I'm not taking the vaccine, and
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  Speaker 2: then he went and played football and people forgot right.
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  Speaker 2: But when all you talk about is the thing, eventually
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  Speaker 2: there's a fatigue and there's this forced conversation that people
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  Speaker 2: are going to be on the other side of. And
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: so I think, like you know, the Aaron example is
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: an example that speaks to it's not just that, it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: how you go about it that's also separate. When you
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: hear Aaron Rodgers and teammates talk about Aaron Rodgers like
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you know guys like him, you know that people. It
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: also helps that the guy's got a fucking judge machine
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: on his shoulder. So of course I like having a
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: guy like that on my team. And that speaks to
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that, like for professional athletes, it's not really
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: about what the person stands for all the time. It's
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: about what the person does on the field, and that's
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: that's the value to a teammate. And I think for
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Kyrie like and anybody. I'm not saying I was like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: him when I was younger, but people go down roads
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and people chase threads that they might be dead ends,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: and they might be disruptive, and they might be thought
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: of as like, man, this is a this is a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: bad train of thought. But people can also change. And
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, young people like in their twenties,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: like they're going through a lot there. I think Kyrie's
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: probably calmed down a little bit. That was a crazy
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: few years for everybody, right, And you know, I think
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: we all we all have opinions. That's not to say
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: our opinions have change, but I think also people can
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: grow and realize that, hey, maybe I was going about
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: things the wrong way. And so watching Kyrie after one
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: of these games up at the desk with chucking them,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: if you watched him in a vacuum, you'd be like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: this is the happiest, most friendly guy you know in
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the NBA. They who wouldn't want to play with this guy?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And that's who he probably is to his teammates in Dallas.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: They're not thinking about what he tweeted three years ago,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you know, like the general public is, because that's our
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: throughway to these guys. But for these guys on the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Mavericks or some other team that Kyrie played on, their
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: reality is the Kyrie they see at the stadium.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: There's so many interesting threads in this conversation. Number One,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: whether we're in sports or we're in media, talent wins.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It just does. And you're going to be You're going
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to be managed differently, You're going to be portrayed differently,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You're going to be handled differently when you are a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: game changing talent. That's just how it is. You see
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it at ESPN, you see it at Barstool, you see
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: it on the Mavericks, you see it on the Celtics.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody says it, nobody denies it. You just manage people
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: differently when they are game changing talents. And that's just
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that's not going to change. I think what's interesting with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: people like Aaron Rodgers, with people like Kyrie is they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: will consistently try to outsmart and try to explain their
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: position in a way Kyrie used to do this. Aaron
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Rodgers still does this. That is overtly arrogant to the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: point that it is insulting to everybody else who's listening
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: because they can all recognize the truth of what is
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: reality versus what these people are saying. And again, like
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: we don't have to like Aaron Rodgers. All that has
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to happen is Aaron Rodgers has to perform on the field,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and I guarantee when the Jets are four and oh
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to start the season and Aaron Rodgers has already thrown
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred yards, the backpage of the New York
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Post every day is going to be about how great
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is. And when he starts having press conferences,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: whatever he's saying is going to be silly and funny
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: because oh, he's so kooky, but what a good quarterback.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: That's just the way it's going to be.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And there's also the you know, like, why are people
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: bringing this stuff up again? And then you're the one
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: bringing it up half the time, you know what I mean,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: which I think can happen as well with a Rogers
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: or Kyrie. It's like things could be going good and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: then you make a snide remark trying to take a
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: victory lap on something that maybe it's not even a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: topic that's been resolved yet or something like that, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: then there's the hey, they're trying to cancel me, which no,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: they're not. Like here, I think, here's what I think
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: about Aaron Rodgers. Amazing quarter back. Interesting, God, I don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: agree with everything he's ever said, but I don't banish
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: people like that, Like I really don't. But after he
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: received a lot of criticism, he said, hey, they're going
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to cancel me. I'm climbing in my cancel coffin. Six
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: months later, he's on the match, you know, Like, I
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: don't know where this concept of cancel culture comes from,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but it might apply to a high school teacher. It
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't apply to somebody who can throw the football at
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers or shoot a basketball like Kyrie. They ain't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: canceling these guys. You're too good to be canceled. Man,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You're too good at what you're doing to be canceled.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So that's a claim that you can't really back up.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: It is funny though, like Bill Simmons even talked about it,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: like Kyrie went for one first round pick, like that's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: all the MAVs paid. And obviously they moved Brunton, they
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: they moved the guys. But like you think this guy's
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's about thirty thirty one. If he wasn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: so talking about the Earth being flat like you said,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: he was saying crazy shit in twenty twenty. Yeah, I mean,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: it's so funny look back on it. Where it's like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: well a reception and I don't see a curvature. Yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Someone's like he went to duke. It's like, yeah, you
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: didn't go to duke. You played a duke for six months.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Mother. I mean take it down on that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: There are people who are super smart, super confident. They
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: believe they are smarter than other people and that they
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: can pull the wool over people's eyes. Aaron Rodgers and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Kyrie did the same thing. They both couch what they're saying,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: which can be incendiary and can be challenging for people
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to hear. They couch it in intellectual discovery, a journey
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of curiosity. Yes, I actually thought Travis Kelcey after the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Harrison Butker comments at that at the commencement speech handled
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it brilliantly on their podcast, right, he was great. He's like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with anything he said. The way I
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: grew up, I saw a mom and dad equally involved
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in raising her family, a mom and dad equally evolved
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in supporting our family. That's not what I see the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: world as. But when I've been in the locker room
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: with Harrison Bucker, he's been a good teammate. He's been
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kind of the people I bring to meet him or
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: people who are connected to me, And I'm not going
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to police his thoughts, like that is his thought, it's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: what he believes.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: We love America. You guys know hundreds of people in
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: your personal circles that don't have microphones, and you would
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: count eighty five percent of them as good people, right
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that You're like, Hey, that person, if I were stranded
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: on the side of the road, would pick me up.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: If I had to drop my kids off, I could
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: do that maybe if I needed money. I have friends
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that But if you gave them all a microphone and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: ask them to talk about whatever their philosophies are, they
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: would be held to a different scrutiny because that's not
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the standard for most people walking around, right. You know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: we're not going to get like a state of the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Union on everything they believe every week. And so I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: do think that, like athletes are given this opportunity to
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: talk about things that they're passionate about or some learning
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: journey they're on, and we're like, oh shit, oh I
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: didn't want to hear that. Well, we don't ever have
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to hear that with most people walking around, right, And
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: so I would say this, like with Harrison Bucker, from Kyle,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: from anybody that played with my brother, you know, good guy, right, Like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if I needed help or you know, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: needed Harrison Bucker to do something for me, and he
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: was a teammate, he would do that for me. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: don't agree with what he said at all. For Travis Kelcey,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he handled it that way because the last
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: thing you want to do is say kick this guy
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in the league. That fuels the fire for the warp
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: sense of reality that like we're just canceling people in
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Harrison Bucker. People said they were trying to
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: get rid of Harrison Bucker, and yeah, there's some people
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: that were like get him out of league, but he
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: was also the highest selling jersey two days after he
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: said what he said. So like we often frame these
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: situations way wrong, where it's like this person's under attack.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you notice this, but for every
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: person who loves you, there's somebody that hates you in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: this country. And if every NFL player got up there
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: with a microphone, you'd hate half of them. But everybody
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a microphone. And that's my point is, like
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: most people are good to the standard of like, can
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I rely on this person? Is this person a bad person?
• 25:26
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• 25:29
  Speaker 2: my estimation, my carpenter who I hang out with after
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: he works on my house for thirty minutes and have
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a beer with like, we don't get into world politics now.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: If we did, maybe we wouldn't like each other. But
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: we're not forced into a conversation like that. And athletics
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: now we're in those conversations often.
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed all of it. Here's the most important thing that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I want people to take away from this conversation. I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: think you're both wrong. I think the Celtics are probably
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the right bet.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: You know what part of it is? Part of it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is sentiment.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I love the MAVs. I love Luca. I love the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: way Kyrie plays. I love the way players adore Kyrie.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You always know a player is great, like the way
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: players talk about Kyrie with such awe, his ball handling,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: his shot making, his skill level. It's the Celtics time.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: This team is really good and this is going to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: be their one moment where they can win the finals.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: In a transition year where the te Wolves are going
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to get be better, the Nuggets are going to get deeper,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the Grizzlies are going to come back like that. West
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: is going to be stacked. I think this is their
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: only shot to do it. And by the way, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Sixers are going to be healthier. Who knows what's going
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to happen with the Knicks, the box are going to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: be healthier. Like I think this team deserves it. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think they've They've been to the finals, They've been to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: so many conference finals. Uh, this is their shot. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: think they need it. I think they take it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: For the Celtics with the road that they took to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: get here, you gotta cash in.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You got to cash in. This is this is their
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: one moment. Speaking of cashing in, here is a and Chris,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you are uniquely qualified to answer this question. I content
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid could go down as being considered a better
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: coach than Bill Belichick, and I feel like just because
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: he has been an offensive genius and has come to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: sort of his the muse slash the engine for all
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of his brilliance late in his career. Who knows how
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: many more Super Bowls are going to win? Belichick had Brady,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid has Spagnolo, who you played for in Saint Louis.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Give me your take on a Andy Reid versus Bill Belichick?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Who can go down as the greatest coach? Is there
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: a chance for Andy Reid to go down as the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: greatest coach?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Sure, there's going to be a lot of people that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: are going to say that at the end of his career.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I also think like it's in vogue right now to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: kind of tear Bill down. The Patriots. People hated him
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: for a long time, right Like for most of Simon
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and I's adult lives, growing up teenagers, the whole thing
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it was the Pats. I remember when Al grow was
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: my coach. He was a Belichick disciple, like a parcels guy.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: In college. I hated the Patriots because they he made
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: us wear those stupid high socks with the stripes around
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: him just like the Patriots. We did everything, We had
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: all the same signs on the wall. And I can
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: remember going to Mellow Mushroom in Charlottesville, Virginia and watching
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: David Tyree catch that ball and going nuts. Or I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: can remember watching Donovan McNabb keeled over puking and being like,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: we let these guys off the hook again. So like
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that's the reality for most people growing up, is like
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: they couldn't wait to see that dynasty end. I look
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: at the Patriots dynasty instead of looking at it like, oh,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: they broke up. To me, it's like they had a
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: marriage that lasted twenty years and a support where the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: divorce rate is like one hundred, right. And I think
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: also what's impressive about the Patriots is they there was
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: almost a decade gap between Super Bowls. If they don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: pick that ball off, if the Malcolm Butler play doesn't happen,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: it's so hard to get back there year after year,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: let alone to get back there with totally different teams.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And so I think with Andy's age, unless he's able
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to coach a long time, do the same thing that
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Bill did, where it's like you got to rebuild cores
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: of your team and win with separate teams. To me,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: it's still Bill and I think also people will say, hey, well,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you know he had Tom Brady, and that's fine, but
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: how many of those Super Bowls were one on on
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: on account of defense? He bookended his career with defensive victories.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And I think also defense is this invisible thing that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: like immeasurable, but it adds up to offense. You know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you talk about complimentary football and the security of knowing
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna have good field position, that you're gonna
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: have time possession, that you're going to play the game
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: on a script. I think a lot of that stems
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: from having that defensive foundation, and so for me, it'd
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: be hard to usurp Bill. But I can understand people
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: making the case for Andy Reid, especially if they if
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: they go three p or if they take a break
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and they continue to do that. I would also say
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this though, like is it taboo to ask if Tom
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Brady and his prime is better than Patrick Mahomes and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: his prime. They're so different it is it? I know?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But like I like both apples and oranges, both of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: them can win you championships in this in this scenario,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: both are in my opinion, that the two when it's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: all said and done, it's going to be Mahomes Brady.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And you know, you can talk about the guys in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the eighties and that, Yeah, Montana, you gotta always throw Montana. Yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and and and I don't like the comparison thing because
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: context is always different, you know, around each player. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: so this is a really inexact science when you're comparing
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: two coaches or two quarterbacks. But I would say, hey,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: did they both have great quarterbacks? Yes, you know, including
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Donovan McNabb just getting there, you know, all those times,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: because you know, that's part of the Andy Reid lore, right,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Like you can't make this claim if you don't have
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the Philly chapter. Like if you were just in a vacuum.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: If Andy Reid showed up and coach the way he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: coached the last ten years in Kansas City, we'd be
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: talking about it as one of the greatest coaches of
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: all time. But we wouldn't be talking about him as
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: you know, competition for Bill. I think part of that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is he exhibited he could win in Philly. Now they
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: didn't win the big one, but they were there repeatedly,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and with this quarterback Donovan Knabb, who was a very
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: good player, but he wasn't Patrick Mahomes, and he wasn't
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady, So I think that counts in his column.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But you also have to acknowledge the fact that he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: always had good quarterbacks. Yes, he made Alex Smith look great,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: but so did Harball, right, And so I look at
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: things and I say, hey, if somebody wants to down
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Bill because a defensive coach, I would say, or he
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: had Tom Brady, I would say, how'd they win you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a third of the championships and in the game in
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the in the seasons that they got there and put
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: up big numbers in the Super Bowl, how many of
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: those those playoff games that they needed to win did
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they keep the points down? And I think, to me,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that's why I would I would side with Bill. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: also think there's something too like keeping that ship so
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: tight for so many years, Like you look at what's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: going on in Kansas City right now, and ye have
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Bill had Aaron Hernandez and all that stuff happened, But
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Kansas City it feels like every year there's something now.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And they could overcome that for sure. But you talk
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: about a team that's got all these problems off the field,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and they also lose Willie Gay this offseason, who was
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a huge part of that defense. You lose Lugeria sneed
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and so works cut out for him. We'll see.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's funny. I appreciate you excluding me from the conversation
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: about the Patriots have been good for most of your lives. Yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: because I'm old, But dude, I'm fifty three.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: So for you, the team growing up was who that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: you got tired of?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely got tired of. Like in the eighties
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it was it was always the Niners, and then the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: nineties when I started covering the NFL, it was Cowboys Niners,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Bill's Cowboys. Here's a story you'll appreciate. When we were
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: talking about being lonely and being in a press box,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I remember covering a Patriots game in the middle of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the season ninety four ninety five. I was a young
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: reporter at Sports Illustrated and I like Peter King, who
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: is a legend. I'm sure Chris, you know Peter. He
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just had a retirement party that I went to on
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Setaturday night in the city. He had like sent me
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to cover some Patriots game and Chris Slade, former Virginia player,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I was a great linebacker for the Patriots, and I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: had gotten news he was in the middle of the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: contract dispute. I think Barcels was the coach. He was
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the contract dispute in the middle
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of the season. I had gotten news that he was
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: going to sign a new deal, and I was like,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the game, this is going on.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to confirm it with his agent. I get
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it locked in. I'm writing it in my column. Again,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: this is before the Internet and like Twitter, and like
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I have time to put it in my column for
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated and four days later it still wouldn't have
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: been broken by the time the magazine comes out. So
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: but it's like the Foxboro press box. I'm hungry, the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: night is getting late. I eat a fucking hot dog.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's definitely gray, and like it ends up being three
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. I met the whatever that Chateau
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Hotel is in Framingham, Massachusetts, and I am like, Hugh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: can my guts out? Like trying to hot dog? What's that?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: From the hot dog?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: From the hot dog? Like it was like I am
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: in such.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to talk about lonely,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that is the depth of loneliness.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I got one. I got one. Here's lonely, same rams,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you know, two and fourteen, one and fourteen, the whole thing.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: We come out season opener. This is like, you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: we're going to put it all together this year. I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: fucking have to have ankle surgery. My ankle got rolled
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: up on, all fucked up, so I go go to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: get an MRI. The next morning, we lose the Vikings
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: by like thirty. I go get my MRI. They're like, yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you're done, man, and I get in the car. It's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty degrees and I realized I forgot
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: my phone at the MRI spot. And as I go
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to turn around, I noticed my gas is on empty.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So I run out of fucking gas on the side
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: of Highway forty with no phone in a walking boot.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It's one hundred and twenty degrees and I got a
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: wait for triple or whatever it was, dude. I'm sitting there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is rock bottom. This is
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: like a football player's rock bottom. No phone, I'm gonna
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: get heat exhaustion. I'm on IR and I'm sitting on
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the side of the highway in Saint Louis, people are
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: stopping and asking me if I'm Chris Long and saying
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with the team, and then pulling off and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: keep it on going, dude. So it's like that to me,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: was your hot dog story in Foxboro? Is my? Is
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: my walking boot story? In Saint Louis, we.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Have just written bottom. We've written the greatest country song
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: ever just now. And when you just said, you said
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with the team, people were stopping you. In
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: my head, I saw a big headline in the Saint
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Louis Post Dispatch with a big picture of you on
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the side of the road to the walking boot, and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it just said, what's wrong with Long?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with Long? A lot is wrong with Long, dude.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the end for me in
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis. It culminated with the US skin beat by
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the Bucks in our color rush, all yellow uniforms in
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: front of fifteen thousand at there were Jonestone. Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It was like, it's the reverse Tony Romo. Tony Remo
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: was stopping helping people change a tire. Chris is over
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: here in a walking boot talking about I can't go anywhere.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Just I'm like, yeah, can I get a ride like, NA,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: can you tell me what.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You've been through? You've been through coaching changes and so,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you know, especially obviously with the RAMS most most specifically
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of coaching changes in the NFL every year,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes during the season. How important is it when a
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: new coach comes into a team that's clearly sick of
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it's current leadership.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Just a golden opportunity because if you can be the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: rebound guy off of a guy that everybody hated. Man,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: whatever you do, people are gonna, you know, soak it
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: up like a sponge immediately. Know what you have to do, though,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: is show results. It doesn't have to be winning immediately,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: but what you have to do is show the little
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: results week to week where the light bulbs are going
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: off in people's head and saying, oh, this is different,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Like you know, the scheme's different. You know, the way
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: you're taking care of us is different, the whole thing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a big, big opportunity for a
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: coach to follow, like when Doug followed Urban Meyer. It's
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: a fucking layout. You know, I've won a super Bowl.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: You know this last guy was a clown. You know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: you can walk in a building and be. I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it's harder obviously for a guy like Draw Mayo, man,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you know where I can't tell if people are gonna
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be patient because they understand, or if they're going to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: be really impatient because they're Patriots fans and you and
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Simon's nodding, and I would I would agree it would
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: be the latter. But it is interesting when you look
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: at these vacancies and Ben Johnson talking about you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: why he didn't take a job is very interesting, right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and he's playing the odds and he's handicapping guys and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: he's saying, you know, there's going to be five of
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: these guys who are going to be out of jobs
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: in the next three years, and so it really speaks
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to how selective you have to be when you take
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: these jobs. But I think what's unfortunate for NFL coaches
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: is they've been working their whole lives. So you tell
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a guy who's been working for twenty five years in
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: an industry, sleeping on the couch and shoveling shit, that
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't take a job because he's going to follow
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: somebody who's set an unrealistic bar, or that the the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: GM's not a great GM or you know the cash
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: situation is fucked up in a particular place, like guys
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: are going to jump at the opportunity to take jobs,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and not all of them are equal, and not all
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the situations, as you put it, are as easy to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: walk into.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Simon, can you name the fastest growing ticketing app in
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the United States?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Game Time?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: That's right, It's game Time. I love Game Time for
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: two reasons. First, they still sponsor this show. Second, I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: use game Time all the time. They have amazing last
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  Speaker 1: minute deals, including pro in college sports. I'm actually opening
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the game Time app right now from my house here
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Guess what the hottest team in baseball the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: New York Yankees. I can get into see them for
• 42:31
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• 42:47
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• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I know Simon has season win total questions. He wants
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: your take on.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's do it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Want to clear the floor for Simon to get into.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It on that five of them like every year, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: then I go like three and two. You know, I
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: think that I'd like to just stick to like one
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: or two and bet big.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: No, that's the exact opposite. You go with the five
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: win three and two. This is the problem, Chris, This
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: is the problem with today's culture. Everybody wants to go
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: hash that lottery ticket. We're in this for the long haul.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: We want to be able to have money in the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: next year to continue to bet. You're not going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: hire the landscapers to plow your eighty five acres in
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the middle of Virginia firm country by betting big on
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: one season win total.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: You're right, build it up, Steelers.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: There you go, Simon, Simon, go ahead.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I just want to I would love your Christike on
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: this where I feel like I'm on an island with
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: all the other professionals that we are all in on
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: the fade of Green Bay this upcoming season. And it's
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: funny here in the media painting Jordan Love with such
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: love and such praise after you know, he played all
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: right for half a season. But if you go back
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and look at their schedule, you know, the end of
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the season where they snuck by. They beat the Panthers
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: thirty three to three, and then the next week they
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: beat the Vikings in their fifth string quarterback, and then
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the final week of the year they beat the Bears
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: seventeen to nine. Right, Okay, Jordan Love made the playoffs.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: He did great them having a meltdown by Dallas and
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: then catching at fort Niners team that was you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: sleepwalk in the first half. It's given people this false
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: security and this false hope that Jordan Love is the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: next Aaron Rodgers. And this Green Bay team is, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: an easy bet to make the playoffs this year, where
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: they fit every criteria of young, inexperienced team that got
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: to the playoffs too fast the year before. Now they're
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: over nine and a half is a negative number, which
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: means again, I mean like at minus one forty at
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: this point, I can them plus one twenty plus one
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: thirty to the under nine and a half clos To me,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: this jumps out as a young team that's just overachieved
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the year before. Now their division's way harder, and it's
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: still being talked about as if they're a shoeing to
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: get in. I love your view on the screen, people
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: love well.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I really liked the team. Like you know, I see
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: why people are jumping out of the gym for him.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: When you look at Jordan Love last year, it was
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: like sometime in November, they hit a switch and they said, hey,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you can run the offense. We'll take the training wheels off.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And he was really good, and I also thought there
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: was room for improvement, Like he didn't play great that
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Giants game, but he rebounded it. If you remember, that
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: was right off the That was right off the the
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Chiefs game, which I thought was a big boy win
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: as they had last year, Like I mean that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Remember that Saints game, Mean, Chad, we won it by
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: a point and a half, but they came back down
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: whatever it was two touchdowns. And again they only made
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: the playoffs by a game. So it's like, that's why
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: what would they be if they lose that, they don't
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Wins, win and halts, yeah and yeah, like because then
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: you never get to see them play the Cowboys. So
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: but also to me, you know, that was a really
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: good proving ground for them. I think when you look
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: at like their offense. I worry a little bit about
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: getting rid of Aaron Jones. What are you going to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: have out of the backfield? Right like Josh Jacobs did
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: in the same receiving threat. I think when you look
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: at the offensive line, there's experience there. I really like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the outside the outside guys obviously, right, everybody does. But
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I think Jordan Love's really good and and I think
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the big question mark for them is can they stabilize
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: defensively because they have a lot of talent on defense.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Last year, I think they got them in trouble. Like
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: if you look at that Bucks game, the Bucks played
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: their best game of the season against those guys.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: The Panthers put up thirty points against Yes, yes this
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: is late season Panthers, like when they were just falling apart.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: It's crazy to think that was the game. The gyre
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: came out for the coin toss, one of my favorite. Yeah,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: he was like, coach didn't know it was from Charlotte.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: But but but I guess I would just say this,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of teams had their best game offensively
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: against the Packers, and that's not gonna happen next year,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you know, at the very least they're gonna get better.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: If you look at their schedule this year, like, yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: it's it's there's no shoe in easy wins. I mean,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'm looking. That's the thing about this year that I
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: think is funny. There's not a lot of teams I'm like,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that team's dog shit, you know, like in their division
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: for sure, Packer or Bears, Vikings, Lions, the whole thing.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna play the Seahawks out of division. They're
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: gonna play the Dolphins out of division. They're gonna play
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the Niners out of division. They're gonna play the Jags
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: down there. They're gonna play the Eagles in Brazil. They're
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: gonna play the Texans. They're gonna play the Cardinals, who
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: are pretty who are gonna be scary you know. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: don't mean like they're going to make a run, but no,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: all the games said that's their easiest game. The Cardinals
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: are pretty good. That's what I'm trying to drill into people.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, wins hard this year, Hey, they are.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The wins are really hard to come by. And when
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you look at their win total, it's not that higher,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: it's not that much higher than the wins they had
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: last year, and you're like, why wouldn't they get better?
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: But this is the NFL, and when you look at
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: this year, I do think there's a lot of competitive
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: teams or teams that are trying to be competitive, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: you know, look at the Titans, for instance. I was
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: just doing this with the Bears and their win total,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and like me and Kyle were going, you know, game
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to game, and I was like, yeah, that's a loss.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Like they're gonna open with the Titans, that's a loss.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I just don't think people understand. Like people were up
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: in arms of Titans like it was such an afterthought
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to them. I'm like, I don't know if you notice this,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: but Titans think they're good this year, and this would
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: be the first game of the season and they're gonna
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: have a Lugerious Need and Jeffrey Simmons and they're gonna
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: have you know, they're going to have a really good
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: secondary and Levis has been slinging the ball around. Like
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I just don't think people understand. These wins are not free.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: So when you look at win totals, you can't look
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: at the number and just be like, yeah, it doesn't
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: seem high. You got to look at the schedule, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you got to look at you got to look at
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: like some of these other teams who have peaked quarterbacks
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: who have had a really good season and then the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: next year they kind of come back down to earth.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm probably gonna stay away from the Packers. Man.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, you have one or two that you do like. Well,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I did like the Steelers, right, I forget what they are?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: A and a half? Yeah, I like the Steelers. What
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: are the Texans?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Steelers? Do you like the Steelers? Over or under?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Over? Yeah?
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Texans were nine I believe they're nine and a half
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: penn at most books now since the Digs.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Trade, Texans are going to win twelve thirteen games. Wow,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I think the Texans are that good.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: You know, with the target man CJ is running his
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: mouth right now.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I think he's different. I really do. I think he's different.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: And I also love the fact that he's like you
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: can tell the guy loves ball. Yeah, when you it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: the same way when I watch Michael Parson and Michae
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: pissed people off because he talks a lot, but I
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: love that, like Micah takes the locker room right to
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the microphone, where like these are the same conversations the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: guys are vehemently arguing over in the locker room, and
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Micah loves it and CJ loves it. I saw him
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the other day talking about Matt Stafford. The way he
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: was defending Matt. You know the Leo Gift where he's
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: from Once upon a time in Hollywood, Like that's the
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: way I was. I was like, bro I watched film too,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Like the other four guys in the room were like
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: they were gaslighting him. He was talking about Stafford and
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he was like, Stafford is as good as like Brady
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: was at the end of it. And when you watch
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Stafford last year, if you really watched the film, the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: motherfucker was elite. Like you couldn't find me a better
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback going to the playoffs and Matt Stafford and who
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: was playing better? And so like, I love watching CJ.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Shroud get passionate about this stuff and he kind of
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: brings the football fan out in me. So I don't
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: think I think CJ is going to be fine. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: think the Texans are a good one. I think the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Titans might make more noise than people think. I think
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys under is a good bet. I don't even
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: know what that number is, but it's ten and a half.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's minus one forty, minus one fifty. Now,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: just because you're right the pros they're agreeing to with
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: they they've come in on the under on the Cowboys.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know what what are the Cowboys? What's their identity?
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: What are they good at this year? Like offensively? Right?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And when you talk about their strength subtracting dan Quinn
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and trying to figure that thing out, like I don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: know that wide receiver corp. If Ceedee Lamb pulls up
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: with a hamstring, it's then you know in that running
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: back stable is pedestrian. So I look at the Cowboys
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and I say, hey, even if it's like minus one forty,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I might take the under on the Cowboys. You know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Bills are, but I think
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: people are people are outing them out. I think we're
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: about the Jets for that division.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: You feeling good about the Jets at this point with
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: that division or you're not drinking the kool aid yet.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Injuries It's just I worry too much about a team
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: that last year had a bunch of problems with injuries
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and then thematically.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Though, Chris, that's good because it usually balances historically.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, injury love.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's about depth too, right, Like again, Aaron
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Rodgers forty years old coming off in achilles. If he's got.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor, Tyrod Taylor, there are boys they have a
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: high floor because they're used to playing in fucked up situations. Yeah,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: But like even if Aaron stays healthy, you bring in
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Mike Williams, he's had injuries. You bring in Tyron Smith,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: he's had injuries. You know, you've got a bunch of
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: guys coming back off of are And I just think
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: the Jets are too patchworky for me. And last year
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: when they were healthy at the meanning of the season,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I said they could go to the super Bowl, Like
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: like I think they were my AFC pick before Aaron
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Tour's Achilles. But I just think there's so many things
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: that can go wrong from an injury standpoint, and I
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: just don't count the bills out when you have a
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: quarterback like Josh Allen. We've been seeing this happen for
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: a long time where you can't pay the wide receiver
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: and it's an okay deal because you've got a generational
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: talented quarterback. I mean, look at the Chiefs. I'm not
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: saying they're like the Chiefs, but people didn't think the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Chiefs are going to be okay after Tyreek Love. There
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: was a faction of people who thought that, and two
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls later, they're just fine. They figured out a
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: way around it because they have that guy. And I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: think when you talk to Brandon Bean, we have Brandon
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Bean on the show. That offense the second half of
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the season wasn't running through Diggs, and that's what made
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it better. You know, they realized that we got this
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: guy kin kid who's like, who's like a real receiving
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: tight end out there. We're going to run this thing
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: through the two tight ends. We're going to get the
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: ball to the backs out of the backfield. You saw
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of that that h trade stuff they do
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to really put linebackers in to buying. You know, we're
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: gonna run the ball. Look what they did to the Cowboys.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And guess what this Curtis Samuel guy, he was with
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Joe Brady. And you know this this kid from Florida State,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Kean Coleman, we don't know he could be he could
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: be a thousand yard guy, and so that's what they're
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: banking on. We're gonna run the offense through the tight
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: ends and somebody is gonna step up at wide receiver.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And how much different is that team? Really? I worry
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: more about the losses of guys like Mitch Morris, uh
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and and people like that, you know, but I think
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Sean's gonna be able to figure out defensively, and I
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: would I would look at the Bills total.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned the Titans. Simon and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I have had this conversation about the Titans plus four
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and a half against the Bears in Week one, which
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I like a lot. I think the wise guys are
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: are sort of coming.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I keep saying, people, wait, this is gonna hit six.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: It's just gonna keep growing.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna It's right, it's gonna go up.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: But the Titans, to me, are an interesting team. You
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: mentioned Jeffrey Simmons and when he is playing, he is
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: an elite, elite defensive lineman, and you mentioned they've improved
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: their defensive backfield. Also, fans don't recognize the impact an
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach like Bill Callahan can have. There is
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a reason he has had a job for thirty something
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: years in the NFL doing this one thing, going from
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: place to place. There's a reason the Browns were so
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: dominant as a rush team, and people like them no
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: matter who was playing running back. Like, explain what someone
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: like that on a coaching staff, who not a lot
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of people know, can do for a team.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Well, most of the lines are made up of a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: few guys that you're like, they're not studs. I mean,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you know, they're interchangeable. We can you know, there might
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: be a swing guard that you make work or a
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: rookie that And I think what a guy like Bill
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: does is he puts people in the right place. And
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: when an offensive line is well coached, the ceiling is
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: so high. Right, the Eagles O line is a poor example.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: They have a great coach and they have like like
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: monsters up front, you know, genetically different cats. But there's
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of really good offensive line coaches. And the
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Patriots and Scar for a long time, they're like, he
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: would make groups of guys that weren't special athletes or
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you know, necessarily high picks serviceable. And I've seen it happen.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I've seen it happen with Stout individually, and I've seen
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: it happene with Scar and you know, I've hung out
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: in Paul Boudreau's OH line room for years when I
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: was in Saint Louis. Like, I know what what it
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: looks like when an offensive line is jelled and is
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: well coached. And I think, you know, like from a
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Bill Callahan standpoint, they're going to be able to run
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the football right and guys are going to be in
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: the right positions to suit their talents. And I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: you know where another group might draft a guy and
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: the coach isn't worth his salt, and you might have
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a guy at guard when he should be a tackle,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: or maybe the guy who's a left guard and explaining
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: it right guard, or you know, maybe it's a common
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: nation of two guys that aren't working well together and
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: this guy's seen it all. So I think when you
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: look at like if there was one position group with
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback, a second year guy and an infusion
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: of talent around him, that you want to just say, hey,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: set it and forget it. Hire a guy like Bill
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: and and I think, uh, I think you'll get the results.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: So they're they're total six and a half. I like
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the over on that, I like the I like the
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: under on the Giants. I don't love it, but I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: like it. And I'll give you another one. The Chargers
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: over eight and a half games, they're going to be
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: a better football team than were last year. I don't
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: care who they had to shed, because coaching is important
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: in this league. And Mars I think they've spent five
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: million on the d line.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me a little nervous, a little scary question.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: But you might be giving up two hundred yards a
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: game Russian.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, but what's much different, you know than the people
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: they've been they've been they've been porous, you know, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: on defense they've been out of sync. When they've been
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: good on the back end, they're not so good upfront
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: and vice versa. So I just think, more than anything,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: if you bring in Greg Roman, you run the football,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: you know, justin Herbert to me is an elite talent.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: He's just got to realize it. And if Hardball can't
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: get it out of him, I mean he got it
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: out of Alex Smith, you know what I mean. I
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: feel like the Chargers could be, uh could be sneaky
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: this year. So I like Steelers, Chargers you know, if
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I had to, if I had to take an under,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: it might be the h It might be the Giants,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: because I just don't feel like the Giants are taking
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: it seriously this year. You know. My theory is that
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: they're ready to hire Bill in a year.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Well what they do, Like, you know, they didn't go
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: out and get better. It just feels like they're like,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna eat this Daniel Jones mistake and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: figure it out in the year.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Hmm, hear that. But you know it's like, look, everyone
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: thinks everyone last year was like Dave Ball's a genius
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and uh he was Coach of the Year and look
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: what he did with Daniel Jones. So it's going to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: be an expensive proposition to get rid of Dayball and
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: then bring in Belichick. But also, boy, that would be
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: James bring it back.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Like if they go under on the wind total, they're
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: going to fire a table and that's a that's a
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: very I understand the the New England thing, but at
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: least you're going offense to defense. And I think Bill's
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: like a rule breaker where you're like, hey, with his
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: history in New York, I could see that being a
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: romantic idea for them.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I think the whispers are Philadelphia Sirianni doesn't work out.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Bill apparently got dinner with the owner like whatever. It
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: was three weeks ago.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: So the rumors, the rumors around here are going crazy
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: about Belichick and the Eagles.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, seats are a little warmer this year.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of seats being warm. Before we let you go, Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I want you to respond to some NF coaching cliches,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: tell us what it really means. We talked about micro
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Parsons brings the locker room talk to the microphone translate. Uh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: he's in the best shape of his life.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: So it's probably about a guy who hasn't been in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: the best shape of his life. It's probably a guy
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: who at some point was in a doghouse, although without
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: a little more context, it could be somebody that this
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: is talking about. Jordan Davis on the Eagles. Yeah, it's yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: this guy's had George. He's in the best shape of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: his life. Like the elephant in the room is this
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: guy hasn't been able to run in the third quarter
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: other than like running down Josh Allen in the rain
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: against the Bills. Like there's hope, right, there's hope. We've
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: acknowledged the issue. We're working on it. We're running the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: big fella. Don't ask me any more questions about it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: This guy makes plays you won't see on the stat sheet.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this one because this is a coach
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: sticking out for a player that might be really integral
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: to what they do on the offensive defensive side of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: the ball, but fans might not understand. And maybe there's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: some heat, whether it's a draft pick or a guy
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: who earned a big contract where he's not producing from
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a statistical standpoint. You know, I was always a big
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: pressure disruption guy, you know, and sometimes I didn't get home.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: So I loved it when a coach would actually point
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: out the fact that, like, hey, when Robert Quinn made
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that play, it was Chris or you know. That's that's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: a coach sticking up for a player that might not
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: always show up on the stat sheet and the way
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: that fans want them to.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: All Right, Last one, we have to trust the process.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Things aren't good. Things are not good. But I don't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: have another answer for you. We're just going to keep
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: doing the thing that I know how to do and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: that I said I do because I don't have another
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: plan and please be patient with us.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you're saying. Like when you're Brian Dayball
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: in week ten.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Seven, you can only say that year two though of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: your tenure. After year two, you can't trust the process anymore.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: No, totally, there's no patience. There is no process after
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: year two. The process after year two is you blow
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you blow it up. And that's what Ben Jonson
• 1:02:42
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