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How Creative Outlets Transform Mental Health with Daniel Hutchinson | Ep 97 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Today we got Daniel Hutchinson all right, cool guest with us.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff that he's doing and getting involved with.
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  Speaker 1: But thanks for coming in, man, I know you're a busy guy, but so thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here.
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  Speaker 2: So tell people about what you do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm a mental health coach and I'm the founder of Project Spark.
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  Speaker 2: Project Spark is a company to help people understand these creative outlets and how they can help navigate their life.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of people might deal with daily stressors and they don't have really a space for them to release these stressors, and so Project Spark is an event for people to kind of navigate that, find new outlets, find what works for them, and then take home those experiences and apply it to their everyday life.
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  Speaker 1: And these are workshops and events that y'all host.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so it's workshops.
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  Speaker 2: I go to different like schools, businesses and companies, and I'll do like just a mental wellness workshop and I also host my own, set off at my own events, just separately, at, like, emmett Resort and these different resorts all around Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, when did you start this?
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  Speaker 2: So I started a year ago, actually July 1st.
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  Speaker 2: I made it official, but when I moved back home from Denver, colorado, in January of 2024.
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  Speaker 2: I was like I know that I have to go do this.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I have to do.
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  Speaker 2: So that's when I started.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about where you're from originally.
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  Speaker 2: So, originally from Chicago, I live everywhere I feel like, but originally from Chicago, illinois, I moved down to Florida in 2014.
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  Speaker 2: I went to school in upstate, new York, and then, from New York, I went off to Colorado where I worked and got my professional experience as a mental health coach Cool, what part of Chicago, um, I'm everywhere, man.
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  Speaker 2: I moved like a lot, but I'm from Evanston, um, and I moved out to the Plainfield Naperville area as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: I went to um a small D two school, quincy university in Quincy, illinois, football.
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  Speaker 1: Saint xavier, saint, uh, um, oh, boy, um, oh, what was the other school we played out in that area like, oh, um, juliet catholic, yeah, saint francis, illinois, I think, is in that area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, saint francis is there too.
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  Speaker 1: And um, yeah, isn't saint xavier in that area too?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's like south, little south, yeah, but around the outskirts of that, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we were up there a lot, yeah, and then um volleyball as well.
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  Speaker 1: We played some schools out there.
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  Speaker 1: Um Loyola Chicago, yeah, one of the coldest I've ever been.
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  Speaker 1: We went, we went to Lake Michigan and it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was in January or maybe even February.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the whole thing was frozen and this ice wind was just cutting into your bones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet it was.
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  Speaker 1: We were standing out there like on these rocks, like overlooking the ocean, like the ocean, lake Michigan, man, it was just insane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's brutal out there, man, the Windy City is no joke Like that's.
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  Speaker 2: What makes it so cold is the wind.
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  Speaker 1: It's rough, so did you all right?
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  Speaker 1: So you went from Chicago to Florida in 2014.
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  Speaker 1: You went to undergrad in upstate New York.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Where'd you go to school?
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  Speaker 2: I went to Ithaca College.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, ithaca, okay, yeah, yeah, it's just more cold, right, oh my?
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  Speaker 2: gosh, you didn't get enough in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I was addicted to it, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: And then Denver is not warm in the winter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, denver's days of sun, which I was not expecting at all.
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  Speaker 2: So like it might snow a bunch in the morning, but then by two o'clock it's all melted and it's like fine to be outside.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing man I was, uh, when I went to school in quincy, like because I'd never seen snow until I, because I'm born and raised from this area, oh nice, so I'd never experienced like a real winter man.
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  Speaker 1: It gets dark at 4 30 and it's like always overcast and gray and dark and I'm like this is just depressing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, so at least in denver you have 300 days of sunshine, like that's a.
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  Speaker 1: That is huge right, right, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But upstate new york man, same thing it got.
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  Speaker 2: It got dark at like three o'clock and it just was like depressing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the worst.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it literally is, man oh man.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, what was your?
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  Speaker 1: What would you major in uh?
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  Speaker 1: Psychology okay, psychology major makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, could have expected that.
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  Speaker 1: Um, all right, so then, when you finished at Ithaca, then you went.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you went to Denver.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 2: So I just off on a whim, like I'm not gonna lie, I was applying to a bunch of jobs in New York city.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to work in New York city Like I studied psychology, but I was battling between if I want to work in mental health or if I want to get into marketing.
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  Speaker 2: Because that degree I can kind of go either way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: I Totally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of psychology and marketing research, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But man, I just I wouldn't get any job in New York City and the first job I applied to out in Denver, colorado, was a healthcare position and I was like you know what I feel, like this is a sign I'm big on that and I just went off on a whim $300 in my bank account and just left.
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  Speaker 2: Wow yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy yeah it was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We have a very similar story which I can tell another time.
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  Speaker 1: But that's cool, went on and just took a leap of faith.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, so how long were you in Denver, man?
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  Speaker 2: I was only there for 11 months, just under a year, not quite a year.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to Denver once and I had a blast.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was super friendly and nice.
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  Speaker 1: Weirdly, you just become best friends with people pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, similar experience, experience man.
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  Speaker 2: They're so kind out there and it's like not even surface level.
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  Speaker 2: They actually want to get to know you and talk to you like they're cool people yeah, I had, it was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cool time.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely got altitude sickness when I was oh yeah, that'll sneak up on you if you're not prepared.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was like nauseous and just sick.
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  Speaker 1: And then, like I went out to dinner and had some drinks and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: After like one drink, I'm like I don't feel good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, did you work out at all?
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  Speaker 1: Like, did you go for a run?
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  Speaker 1: No, but I tested it.
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  Speaker 1: This was like.
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  Speaker 1: This was like 13 years ago, yeah, 13 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Um, there I ran like I was with my brother.
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  Speaker 1: I was like there's a bunch of stairs ahead of us and I was like I'm gonna sprint up the stairs and back just to see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how are you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: After that I was sick.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, I just like, yeah, out of breath and it's like nauseous, you know yeah, I don't blame you, man, the altitude out there is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Like you don't think you're that high up there until you start moving around and you're like, oh man, I can't even breathe how long did it take you for for you to get used to that or get over it, or did you not?
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  Speaker 2: um, I mean so I I ran track and played football in college, so I really tried to just stay as active as I could.
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  Speaker 2: So that first month, month that I was there, it was super rough, I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: But after that first month of just consistent work and just working out, I was like okay, I can get used to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense why, like a lot of athletes, will train there.
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  Speaker 1: You know off-season training.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good, that's a huge advantage.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like 100.
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  Speaker 1: So what led you to pursue psychology as an undergrad degree?
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  Speaker 2: yeah, man.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that was, I had a really bad injury my senior year of high school, um, so I went to oxford academy.
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  Speaker 2: They shut down the football program.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up having to transfer out to forest hill.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I went to forest hill and okay, so you're from this area originally, yeah, yeah, so I did like high school and all that stuff out here, yeah I went to gardens oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: so you know, yeah, yeah, and you know how like important football is and like sports out here, just like, if you want to do really anything in life, you got to be an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: You got to block him and I was a receiver.
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  Speaker 2: I started getting recruited at the end of my junior year.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, finally, it's my time to really shine.
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  Speaker 2: Football team got taken away, transferred out to forest hill and I was trying to practice with the guys, made it in with the ones and the twos, like rotating in there and just adjusting as a senior, and I ended up tearing my ACL, acl, mcl, meniscus, unhappy triad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd that happen, dude?
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  Speaker 2: It was non-contact, we were just doing one-on-ones and I was running a post corner, so got off the line, got verticals planted in the ground for the post and then when I went for the corner, it just everything just snapped and it was rough.
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  Speaker 2: But that's kind of what led me into studying psychology, because during that time I know we talked, you know, before we started this just about.
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  Speaker 2: You know mental health and how it's like an invisible challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Really People can't tell what you're going through unless you tell them.
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  Speaker 2: And that was like my time, you know, I was in the hospital, my mom had to work.
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  Speaker 2: It really was just me and figuring out how am I going to get to college.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just lost all my offers.
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  Speaker 2: I lost everything like that was in front of me and I was in a super deep dark place and had to get myself out of it.
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  Speaker 2: So going to study psychology was a no brainer.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome, though you know I mean that you pulled out of that, so you did a bunch of rehab, I assume.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big surgery, yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of rehab after that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not pleasant, that's crazy, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So how about now?
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  Speaker 1: Like since then, like, do you feel like your knee is good?
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  Speaker 1: Like you, a hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean I've had some time, you know, to recover with it and just kind of get over that.
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  Speaker 2: But that first year out of surgery was no joke.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't even take a step, I couldn't plant.
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  Speaker 2: First year.
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  Speaker 2: Playing without the brace was another step.
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  Speaker 2: I was like I I'm afraid I'm going to do it again and, of course, but now, man, now that I'm adult, I'm fine, I'm running, you know, 15, 20 miles a month.
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling good.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Good, all right, so then.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So that was kind of the.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a vision of working with athletes specifically or just people in general?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So originally I went to Ithaca College to study AT.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to be an athletic trainer.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to do until I had to take A&P and I realized maybe I'm not cut out for this, it's not my thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the three-hour labs plus trying to work a job and playing a sport, it just kind of was a lot on my plate.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to figure out how can I still help people in whatever respect it was.
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  Speaker 2: So then I started psychology and I wanted to work with athletes.
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  Speaker 2: Sports psychology kind of was my thing.
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  Speaker 2: Studied a lot on standard what is it?
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  Speaker 2: Self-determination theory, excuse me and I just want to be able to help people get on track.
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  Speaker 2: Like you are more than capable of setting a goal and obtaining that goal, but this is what it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: These are the steps that you have to take and you know it led me into working with everyday people that experience these things every day.
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  Speaker 2: But I still want to be able to work with athletes and in that level.
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  Speaker 1: What's self-determination therapy, would you say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So self-determination theory, it's essentially kind of what drives people to accomplish a task.
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  Speaker 2: So we can have like a simple one is just like eating your food, so it like motivates you to eat everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's something that you have, it's a necessity, and that also goes with what we want in our life.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you want to be able to be a CEO of a company, what steps do you have to take to get there?
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  Speaker 2: And you plan these short-term goals with a long-term goal in mind and that's how you accomplish your tasks.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like people.
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  Speaker 2: It's just how do you find what fits for that specific person that's dealing with that problem?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gotcha, and then laying out a pathway.
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  Speaker 1: So is that, is that part of what you do now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a hundred percent Like.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean is like, do you work with clients where it's like, hey, what is it that you want to do?
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  Speaker 2: And then let's break down the necessary steps to make that happen short-term goals and then, every time you accomplish those three tasks, set a new set, another set of three.
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  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
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  Speaker 2: And then, before you know it, you're already at the top.
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  Speaker 2: So CEOs, cfos, businesses, teachers, students anybody like that.
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  Speaker 1: Cool.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me an example?
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  Speaker 1: That's an example of like something recently.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to do the name dropping like that, but just like an example.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all good.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm actually going to go do this workshop at Watson University or Watson Institute I know you didn't say I didn't name drop, but it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: I watched an institute and it's going to be a full day thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to have an hour lecture just with the students on.
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  Speaker 2: First 30 minutes is just about what I do, what that looks like, and then I'm going to go into self-determination theory and how to set proper goals, realistic goals and what that looks like.
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  Speaker 2: So that first hour is just a lecture, part of what they got going on.
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  Speaker 2: The second hour is more of an intimate time.
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  Speaker 2: So the people that felt moved or they felt like what I was saying was engaging, they'll have more of like a coffee chat with me and then we'll break down.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is what it looks like to apply these things.
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  Speaker 2: This is how you have hands-on time to do this and we'll sit down together and we work on, you know, creative writing, if that's somebody that needs an outlet that way.
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  Speaker 2: Or you know, we look at different outlets like sculpting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean different types of creative, hands-on time for you to kind of turn your brain off but enter a state of flow and still accomplish these tasks because it's good to have like those types of outlets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, A hundred percent, yeah, totally Music as well like musical instruments yeah, musical instruments I mean.
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  Speaker 2: In our everyday life we get so busy, we're always running around and we forget that we need an outlet, and a part of us obtaining certain goals is for us to kind of step away for a second.
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  Speaker 2: If you're too zeroed in, you're too tunnel vision in, you're going to miss the world around you and then you're going to have some type of effect.
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  Speaker 2: You know cause and effect.
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  Speaker 2: So how can you really have an outlet that's going to help you obtain your goals and still remain that youthful and determined spirit that you have?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always feel like, personally, a lot of my clearest thinking opportunities were like oh, great idea, or whatever, like working things out in my head come when I'm like when I'm working out or if I'm doing an outlet task like that, and then like it's, I don't know, it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like I, from my understanding or from what I've heard, it kind of like shuts off a lot of the um background noise and higher thinking, complex stuff, and it allows you to clearly maybe um, articulate in your head what you're just better ideas 100 is that is that.
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  Speaker 1: Can you articulate that better?
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  Speaker 2: yeah, I mean, no, I mean you got it spot on.
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  Speaker 2: That's really what it is.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: But when you have, like, a physical task or you put your body to work, essentially it does clear up a lot of that space in your mind.
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  Speaker 2: So when you're not doing much or you're sitting here just kind of looking at a sheet of paper or you're reading or looking at a screen, you can have a thousand thoughts flowing through your brain Boom, boom, boom.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're giving yourself a physical task to actually do something or it's taking you away to kind of turn off your brain for a second, those thoughts come a lot slower.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of a thousand thoughts per minute you're getting, you know, one or two or three that comes at a time.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: You could pay attention to more of the detail of the thoughts and process it better, exactly so.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it does.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: What's your outlet?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me it's creative writing.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: You know writing, yeah, so I love to write, even since I was a kid man, like it just gave me that space.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: I was a really angry child.
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  Speaker 2: I dealt with like a lot of hardship and I used to always get in trouble for breaking things or for like fighting honestly like I would.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: I was not a good kid honestly, you know, but high school or middle school or when?
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  Speaker 2: yeah, like elementary to middle school and then high school, I got like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know I was able to go to a good school and super blessed opportunity for me to be at Oxbridge and stuff like that to get proper guidance.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, when I was in middle school it was right, you know, write what you're saying instead of saying what you feel, because that's going to get you in trouble and it clearly has gotten me in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: And then I got to be more creative with the way that I thought and the way that I express myself and I don't know just different types of structures of writing.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: So poetry, or you just take a task or you get super, super involved in, maybe like a story that you want to tell that you know makes you seem a certain way in the light that you have in your mind, Like it really gives you that space to create a narrative and to express that narrative that you have.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's like man, I got three kids, you know.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: So, like man, I got three kids, you know.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm running a business yeah, that's a lot, and seeing patients and I'm trying to get my own workouts.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, creative outlets are definitely scarce with me.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say my creative outlet right now is scrolling for a little bit before I go to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, that's all right, Just vegging out, that's all right, decompressing that, say.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: But anyway, um, I used to draw a lot when I was a kid and then also, um, I was a piano, you know.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to reteach myself, um, when I was doing my fellowship training in houston before kids, you know, actually wasn't married yet, but um, I just anyway, I enjoy that because I can see just the way that it's being articulated and they can make sense.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't know otherwise, you know, like a creative outlet to like channel out some of that energy and um, or frustration, or just processing information throughout the day or what's next.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, I would say, if I had to answer, I would say those two would be mine.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible, man.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, the piano is super hard instrument to play.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's underrated, like it's it's super hard instrument to play.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's underrated, like it's it's really hard to play.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: So, like more power to you for doing that, but like that space of music and also that physical sensation that you're having while playing the keys.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Like it you're probably getting to that state of flow, like you know, really getting into it.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: So that's awesome, yeah also too, like my kids like if there's a couple songs that I can actually play, well, you know, yeah, like when christmas comes around, I've gotten, I can play a couple christmas songs, you know, frost, a snowman or something and my kids would be like play that one, you know, and like we'll sing it together and it's like it's fun yeah so I enjoy, like producing that that my kids enjoy.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm like I'm making this happen where it's like a cool family thing and then they're enjoying it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, 100 bring, bring community right exactly that's awesome also it's funny too is like if I like get up and leave or go to the back get some water or something, like they'll get on the bench and then put music up and then pretend to like play.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like what are you playing?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: They're like playing jingle bells, yeah, and they're just like banging the piano.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: They're like sounds good you know, keep going, yeah, and that must feel so good though as a father.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Though, just to see that I mean, even though you might not be able to have all the time to get creative and to do it just to see that you know your children are enjoying these things that you bring to the table, like that's another you know underrated form of a creative outlet, like you've inspired the next generation to do that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So that's awesome, that's cool, it is.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: What are some of those common questions clients ask you?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, common questions.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Oh man, um, does this really work?
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I mean they say that all the time, like some people think I'll come in and just talk and they think it's kind of a waste of their time to try to get creative or try to do these things.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: And it's like you kind of have to convince not only the person but they have to convince themselves that that's worth them, like establishing their creative outlet and then a plan to stick with it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the purpose of goal development and processing a hundred percent mental health and encompassing all that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that all comes with it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Once you get like kind of on the right path of being able to do these tasks and you're in your routine, showing up every day doing that the mental wellness part it just comes with right.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: But it's being able to show up every day and say, okay, this is something that is actually helping me in the long term.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And how do I stay consistent with it?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And the people that don't feel like it's good for them either don't have a creative outlet, never explored that, or they feel like it is a waste of their time because they're too zoned in tunnel vision on what they're trying to accomplish rather than giving themselves the space to think more creative, so just like hyper consumed and folk just ruminating over, like, what they need to focus on.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are some people that would be resistant at the beginning, would maybe be nervous or concerned that they don't want to like, they don't want to share what their outlet would be.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be like.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It'd be like like if they get made fun of or like, oh, you're like creative writing, you know?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly like.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, dude, like what's wrong with that?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: you.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it really happens all the time.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I mean you can even look at children.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I mean we're, we're always having that youthful spirit, no matter how old that we get.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But if you're, you know a child and you don't fit into a certain group or you're not good at a certain task, right away, you might get frustrated and you want to get into a new creative outlet.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: If they're not good at it right away, they might feel like it's not necessary or it's not helping them or it's not for them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just taking the time to navigate what is for you.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Stay consistent with it and look at the long-term effects it's actually having.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It's not like you know, it's not your phone, you can't get instant gratification right away like it takes time for that to build.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that all right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So then, besides that, then you would also help clients with the goal structure, right, and I would I mean, from what I've been told in the past too like you tell me what you do.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: They had told me that, like well, first you'd identify what's the goal to begin with, right, right, it's like smart goals, right?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Um, is that what you like?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Is that a similar thing?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: yeah, very similar thing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Um, I have three goals, so I think if you have more than three, you're thinking of too many things.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, just have top three goals.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And they level up each time.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So how far in advance do you look?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm looking at 90 days, okay so so not that long yeah, not that long.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: so it's.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It's considered long-term goals, but I feel like when you have an actionable plan, it makes those short-term goals a lot more easy to obtain, right?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So then you look at every 90 days okay, I reached goal number one, where am I at?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: How does that look?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So for the next 90 days now I'm working on goal number two and then you reassess okay, is goal number two still the path that I'm on and what steps do I need to take to change or to be able to accomplish that task for the next 90 days?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So you have three goals that you, what you recommend, is three goals to achieve in 90 days Yep, and then work backwards of like, all right, you want to get this in 90 days.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: What do you think you would need to do in order to get there?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I need to do this, this and this Yep.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And then I do this, this and this Yep.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So then the next week, my action steps to get to the 90-day goal includes X, y and Z.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's kind of like.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: If you think of 75 hard, if you're familiar with that, it's very similar to like 75 hard, but not too exact, too intense, but it's essentially what that is the consistency and being able to be repetitive, and then also upping the ante, building up on your workouts or the intensity of what it is.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It's very similar when you're accomplishing a goal.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: If you want to be a CEO, a better worker, if you want to be an entrepreneur, start your own business.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's just a goal at the end.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And how can you follow a task or a routine that's going to lead you to accomplishing that goal with little steps along the way?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what are some goals?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: What are 90-day goals that people often say?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me think about that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's hard.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Let me think about that, that's hard.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get a lot of them about being a better employee or just kind of being a better student.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I've only really worked with students and employees um, no-transcript, what does your demographic look like?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And then kind of just breaking down those smaller pieces there and then going from there and filling out a step.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: So sorry, I couldn't really think of the best answer, but they're all like going through my head.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So do you work with?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: 1909 often, yeah, so I do work with them often.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: When I first moved back here, actually I got into their program.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It was called what is it called?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Not their accelerator program, but it's the other one, if you're familiar.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm familiar with 1909.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of their programs.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's not accelerator, but I forget which one it is and it was a 90 day program where, okay, every every week is going to be something else.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: They're teaching me how to launch my business.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: What are the steps that it takes to be able to be a good entrepreneur and you know what impact do you really want to have?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: You know your small business, or your business, is an extension of yourself.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It's not just a way to get money, it's a part of who you are.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: So, the more that you can incorporate yourself, your beliefs and how you want to be viewed or view the world, it's in your business and navigating that yeah, I like that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I also, I think, with Maybe being a better employee, an entrepreneur or a better version of yourself, something that I really.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: There's a couple philosophies I feel like that I've gravitated towards that I like, and one of them is the Japanese ikigai From with you guy, I actually have heard of this, but let me hear what you got, um, and one of them is, um, the Japanese Ikigai from with Ikigai.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I actually have heard of this, but let me hear what you got.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So it's the, it's when the blend of um, what you're passionate about, combines with what you're good at, naturally, and then what you can get paid for, yeah, and then when those three things together, that in the middle would be your Ikigai, which is like your vocation, your purpose, as in like what this is my occupation, and a sense of like belonging in the community, as like this is my role in community, and like just accept and dive into it yeah because I like it, I'm good at it, naturally, and I can get paid for it because I gotta make a living, right.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Um, and then uh, versus like, just, I guess a lack of it comes down to, I would think like a lack of gratitude.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Guess a lack of it comes down to, I would think like a lack of gratitude and a lack of just wanting something more and always looking out, looking in comparison to other people.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, comparison game.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I was like no, this is me.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I had a patient that they.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It was weird, like I've had a couple of patients recently that went to Japan and I was.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I've heard plenty of people and other patients in the past say, like japan's, like it was an awesome place.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been before?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: no, I have a friend there right now.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Actually some of the other pictures, yeah, he's out there, I guess flies right now like 400 to tokyo I mean, maybe you should you know, yeah after this, I'm out.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: No, exactly.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: No, I'm doing it, I'm going, but I've heard like it's a super clean and efficient, everything works Right when it's not like grungy and dirty and like trash you know, like a lot of trash everywhere, rat, like whatever.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: But anyway, and everybody has like a lot of this culture.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people have their sense of purpose Right and like lot of people have their sense of purpose right and like this is my vocation, this is how I contribute to the community, it's my belonging sense and a sense of purposefulness.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And then just like buying in and diving into, like yep, this is me, this is my identity, this is like this is what I do.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like my production identity.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And anyway, this one got one patient was telling me about like there's this guy that he was in his late 60s or something, maybe early seventies, yeah, and uh, he had a coffee shop and he had been doing this coffee thing for 50 years.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He just makes coffee, he has beans, he grinds them, he makes the coffee you know the drinks mixes stuff together, whatever his, you know his shop.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And then this is this is what I do, I'm good at it, I enjoy is what I do.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: This is I'm good at it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's kind of cool.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Working my hands, I meet a lot of people and I can bring joy to people's lives and, you know, give a product to people that people enjoy.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And he just like, he's like that's what he did.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just what he does.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like man, I kind of like that because it's like otherwise, we always social social media, right, the social comparison game.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: We're like, well, that looks kind of cool, I should be like that or like I need to, I should be like this guy, or I should be like that guy or this people.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Um, it just leads to a lack of um, I don't know, a sense of identity, and then maybe self-confidence, and then, um, I guess self-security, and then just great gratitude.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I don't know how else I would put it but, um, yeah, being okay with like this is me just dive in yeah, man, yeah, you gotta be.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, you hit a spot on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Is that what you've heard, you guy?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I've heard of that on my social media, on my instagram.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I just saw it like I watched a video on it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's also it's similar.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's called like the 30, 60, 90, um, it's like what's that?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Just the three points, like a triangle.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Basically, if you build your life off of a triangle, off of three points that make up who you are, essentially, you'll be able to find your path, your alignment.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: It's literally the same exact thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Cool, yeah, man.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: So when you said that, my eyes got real big, I was like, oh, I know, cool anyway, I looked more into it and I was like man, I like that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So I asked um grok, all right, I was like link the comparisons or the similarities of the philosophical approach with ikigai and in stoicism, and that was really cool.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I don't have that up to my head, like what grok spit out, but anyway, because I you know, I think stoicism is pretty cool too from a sense of like, just, you know, self-awareness and then emotional management, you know.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: But um, anyway, that was really interesting yeah, and I like that a lot.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's being able to observe before you react.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: That's essentially what it is, and it's having that control over your thoughts and over your emotions and the things that you have, and observing what's happening in front of you before you just get angry or get sad or whatever it looks like.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And it takes a lot of patience and a lot of work.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So do you?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you dive into stoicism a lot with your clientele and stuff?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, With yourself, yeah with.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I was working in the clinic I tried my best, but mostly with myself.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I try to keep that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, How's in what ways?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just like I said, observing before I react.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I mean that's been a part of my life since I was young.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I mean I really had.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I got emotional really fast.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: No-transcript, like be slow, just be slow, be still.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Return to your writing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: See what you have in your writings, understand how that's healing for you and kind of just understanding the world around you is a place that you can create for yourself and if something's making you not feel okay, you have the ability to think another thought, redirect yourself onto a path that's going to fill you up and feel okay.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It just takes time and it takes a second to be still rather than super frantic.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So you're suggesting step one would be observe what's going on and then, before you react, if someone's like very reactionary, right Emotionally reactionary, you would say observe first what's going on.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And then what I mean you have to observe your outer setting, so everything that you got going on, what's actually making you feel a certain type of way, and then take an observation of yourself.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So then do like a body scan.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, why am I feeling like this?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Where is this coming from?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Did this person say this to me to be hurtful?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Or did they say something that triggered something from my past that makes me feel upset, you know?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And then and then navigate that I mean it's hard to do in real time, but when you take the space or you have a creative outlet right to release that, it makes processing in those times, in those moments, a lot easier and just, I don't know, it just makes you feel a lot better.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So I would say, observe your outer before you observe your inner.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And then, once you kind of observe, both understand where that's coming from and then be able to have a reaction.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I like that it's interesting, is like, because I try to dive into some of that too.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You know, with like, why am I reacting a certain way?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Or is it something triggering from my past that is resurfacing now that I'm projecting into this situation?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Right, that then dictates, like my reactions and my what I say next or what I do next.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You know gut reactions, or just you know whatever, right, um, cause I, I mean, do you ever get into that stuff with some of the people you work with?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Like gut reactions, yeah, or like things in your past.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say, because those are deep things, that at workshops is that challenging to get into with people or not really yeah, so with the workshop.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Are people really willing to be like yeah, let's talk about it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: My relationship with my father is actually really hard.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my relationship with my mom was actually terrible.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, honestly, you get a couple of people sprinkled in there that really don't mind being transparent with people at events, which is very interesting, but it's never more than like four, five, five people max, but like it's never more than that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Many people that feel super okay being vulnerable, and it's those people that are truly looking for you know what the event is for.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: They want to overcome something.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Therapy might not have worked for them, you know speech therapy.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: They might not have done good with whatever that got going on, but they're looking for that real community, you know community of people to share something too, and to be received and to feel loved and feel like they're a part of something Safe and secure.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So I kind of went off on a little bit of a tangent, but I get people like that a bunch of times.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But the point of my wellness events is to give people just a space, just to feel like there is somewhere that they can go to release these things and to learn and to be a part of the community.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And if whatever inspires their, their niche at the event, they can take it home with them.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: They have the tools to use that in their everyday.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That's cool, that's awesome.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Um, so, for you, what are, what are some things you want to accomplish right now that you're working through with your, you know, 90 day sequencing?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: So I really want to just take a, not take over, but I shouldn't say that but, um, I really want to get into these clinics more.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to make a big impact in the clinics yeah, man, just like where I was working at, just it's, it's, it's huge and I know I can make a difference with when's the next clinic yeah, so september 7th at emmer, I got going on.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it's maybe 5 to 7 pm, just be a mental wellness.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's called a night of intention, where we look at how to set these long-term goals and what it looks like to show up every day.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: What's the clientele, what's the demographic that's going to that this is tailored for for this particular event.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: So I would say to anybody like young adults I would say under 27,.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: 18 to 27 is kind of my age range.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I think you know depression and all these mental health issues it can happen to anybody, but it's very prevalent in, you know, young adults 18 to 24.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And navigating that experience and knowing how to have a release and a creative outlet is super key at that moment.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So you can carry that with you into your 30s or 40s or 50s if you didn't get to learn that in childhood.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Why do you think that demographic 18 to 24 is battling so much of that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, social media is a huge part of it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's starting to change a lot just because you know the world around us.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But also you know people are going to college, You're done with high school and you're quote in the real world.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Right, You're in college, or you're working a real job and you're showing up.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Every day in life isn't just hanging out with your friends and goofing off in school.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It's how am I going to be able to pay for this car note?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: How am I going to be able to get diapers for my kid that I'm having?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Or, you know, everything starts to really change.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You become an adult and your brain's also not fully developed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So now you have your emotional regulation is not happening properly and you're quick to emotions, You're quick to your temper and you don't have the spaces.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So it's like if I can kind of help out that, that age range, and just really understand that next step, I think it can do wonders.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Do you bring?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Do?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you mention that as in like hey, you guys, your brain's not developed yet, so you're gonna be very emotional I, I actually don't, but I should.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I, I really think that I should because.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: But if I say that I don't want anybody to feel bad, I like right, I can see the right person.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: People being like oh yeah, and then other people maybe not.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be received very well.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: It depends on the listeners, I guess.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Why do you think social media has played such an impact like this?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you hit a spot on earlier and I was going to say something.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But you know, comparison is the thief of joy, right, and with social media you're always, you're constantly comparing your somebody else's highlights to your everyday life, right?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like that every single day.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, but you see them in japan, you might see them on a flight, you might see them in a mansion somewhere living a glorious, awesome life, right, and you have absolutely no idea how they're getting it, but you just see that they're doing it, and that makes you want to up the ante, you want to do, try new things.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: What does this look like?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And you're not giving yourself the time to really pour into the first goal or the first task that you've given yourself, and you're switching tasks way too many times, and then that's why people feel like they're out of balance, out of alignment, they're a mess, their brains everywhere.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: So I've heard I heard a similar quote.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Um, another way, just said I was like that makes sense.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It was like the biggest issue with people's insecurity is that they compare their behind the scenes with everybody else's highlight reels.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is social media?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It literally is.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Which sucks, you know?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: As in like I'm often sad and they're not, you know, or like I haven't reached these goals yet, and then like they're already doing it, like oh my gosh.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Well, like hey, by the way, this might be fake.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Right, they could be fake.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Posting on a private jet, seriously, seriously, and people do that all the time and it's like you get more respect, which is crazy, because like they're doing it just for fake validation.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Right, it's not actually happening.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But then they just want the virtual validation that they're you know from.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, high five man, you're getting a private jet yeah, because that's way more.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Social media is way more than the real life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: It's literally two separate worlds.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It's two separate worlds, it's like really crazy.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I blows my mind.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I, uh, which is a bummer, which I mean from me and my wife, like we're like man, we, I don't, I don't want to have my kids involved with anything with that until they're like at least 16, yeah, 18, even then like why, you know, right, I I heard, like this guy I was talking with, they were like yeah, we would recommend to give your kids social media when you're ready for them to have social anxiety and depression issues.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100% so when you're ready for that, go ahead and give it to them.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like never.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, that's the smartest thing.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: When I was in college, I actually wrote um it was my senior thesis was the effects of social media on behavior.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, really, yeah, okay, yeah, tell us about it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was effects on social media and I looked at our effects on behavior with social media and I look specifically at anxiety.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And you can get social anxiety literally just in your room by yourself because of social media scrolling on your phone, um, like just the interest with the like button and the views, and like those insecurities start to weigh more because viewership looks like community and you don't actually have the real community in real life.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But you feel intimidated by that and then you feel like you're behind and then also including in where you're at when you're on your phone.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're isolated in your room, you're going to feel physically isolated on top of being mentally isolated and it just puts you into this shell where none of that actually even exists.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: It's not even happening.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: It elicits the same visceral responses as if you were being rejected.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: In a real setting at school, at a lunch table or at your workplace.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Or if you're looking from afar, when you're by yourself, and then you're looking from afar all your friends or people having a blast and you're like I'm not included, exactly so we're not actually there.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: There, you're just in your room, just in your room, and also that could be fake right yeah, right, and you don't even know.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And there's a man.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's like there's no way that I mean, of course, grown adults that are intelligent battle with that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what does a 14 year old girl look like with this?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: right, and that's like.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: That's how you know they're absolutely destroyed.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: No, they have no chance.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: They're absolutely they have no chance.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they really don't.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That's terrible, that's a bummer.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: You know the other one I recently with um, the virtual, like I know, with ai getting so intricate now it's crazy like rock or chachapati or whatever and they have, like the virtual girlfriends and stuff yeah, that's real with that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that, but like I'm not too familiar with it, but I've seen on my social media there was a.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: so I saw a post recently of um I think it was a.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Um, oh, who was?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Who was it?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was rogan, but it was some kind of podcast guy and they were like asking annie on grok, like it's just stuff, and and they're like, yeah, I'm in a mat, yeah, we're doomed.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: No, we really are.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're in the conversation of people having like well, I don't really want to say that, but you can have relationships with technology, yeah, 100%.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: That is what it is, right, I don't disagree.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: That's what it looks like.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's going towards Right, right, and you had robots, you know that look like like humans, like if they put like human stuff on top of them, you know skin and hair and whatever.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh my god, we're like literally living in a movie in real time.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: It's like the will smith movie, like I am legend.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally in real life.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: So or um I robot oh yeah, I robot yeah, yeah, that's it, man.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, so what do you recommend then?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like what's, what is the problem?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Like this, technology and AI and social media is not going away.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the government and people can put regulations.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Like, the government can put regulations Like from my understanding, you have to be at least 16 now to have social media.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is good for predators to not target young and vulnerable individuals.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which sucks, you know?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, but okay, so cool, 16 years old.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's kids that are under 16.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I still have it the same way, that anybody can get anything illegally, whatever it is right underage drinking or drugs or whatever.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, what's the problem?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: yeah like how do you, what do you like?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: What would be the best actual solution?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: yeah, we need to build real communities in the real world, Like you have got to have a real space for you to go to, to interact and talk to people.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Like that's what we're missing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, aside from social media you can even say COVID was something as well that just kind of isolated people as a group of people, especially with mental health trending towards a lot of people are starting to have more mental health issues.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We lack community.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: We don't know how to talk to each other in a grocery store.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: We can't talk to each other when we're at a party or like a bar.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: People are not physically having fun because they're afraid of how that they will be viewed.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And that's like the social media thing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: How does my social media look?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Am I going to be viewed a certain type of way?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So that goes into real life and I can't move?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: A certain way that doesn't match my online look and makes people insecure and fear.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: So you have to build a real community and authentic relationships and authentic people and just be as real and genuine as you can.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so that's interesting.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: We said I never heard before Like that makes sense.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Duh, like this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Somebody is portraying this image and this person persona online but then, when they meet them in real person, they'll be like I'm going to be exposed.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they're concerned.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Or people will be like you're actually not the same, right, like you're fake this and you're you're faking the whole time.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: You know an imposter, imposter syndrome.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Right, it's like real life, where you're creating your own imposter syndrome yeah, you, that's.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: That's a big part.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I never thought about it like that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: You really are creating your own imposter syndrome with the two worlds.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: If you, if you want to be fake on social media or create a certain identity on social media, you are literally doing that to yourself.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So what would lead?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we know the answer, but like, okay, let's take a step back then.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: What would lead a kid who's 12 to 16 years old, the desire to be like I need to create this, like this persona and this person, because I'm not that, yeah, I'm not good enough or I'm not going to be accepted.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Like does that just come from a lack of confidence, a lack of parent like shepherding at home, instilling value?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, like the leadership.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I would say the leadership is a big thing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: So who's leading them at home, whether it's a parent or a guardian, whatever it looks like, and also, kind of what is this child striving to be right?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: When you're a kid, you're always asked who do you want to be when you grow up?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: You want to be a firefighter, you want to be an astronaut, and nowadays a lot of these kids want to be a content creator.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: They want to be, you know, an NFL player.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I know I want to be an NFL player.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And all these guys are doing this content stuff.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And they've got the flashy jewelry, the fast cars, they got the girl, you know, they got everything that they want.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And it'd be easy for a kid to say, oh, I want to be an NFL player one day and this is what that looks like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: So I have to model my life after what this NFL player is doing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And if they're not getting proper guidance at home, saying you got to, just, you know, be yourself and love what you're doing and find your own passions rather than trying to emulate somebody else's life, that's what would inspire somebody to go start a social media page and start lying essentially, and living a different life.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You know yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Or also like doing face ice bath for your face.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fashion hall, yeah, the Saratoga Springs Gosh, yeah, but you see how the impact that it had, though it was like all these kids are doing it, teenagers doing, it's a trend.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Millions of people all around the world are doing stuff like that, you know yeah, I, I just I can't, I just roll my eyes, I just man, it's such a bummer.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there, there's.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not going to get into that, that's all right, but okay, all right, oh, okay.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: What are the some of the most underrated forms of decompressing?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, which I guess you would also be like getting in your creative and outlet, of being getting in a creative state.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, decompression is the same thing.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, decompression is pretty much the same thing.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It's basically turning off your brain, so whatever that looks like for you, so what are the most underrated, underrated ways to do that?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean reading a book.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: People don't really read books anymore.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: They are read, just read, and it doesn't have to be something you're learning.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: It can be fiction, it could be just a story, whatever that looks like.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Give yourself something that's entertainment.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: That's not the TV, that's not your phone, that's not fast, like a quick fix type of content.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Sit down and just read a book and you'll see how you get invested into the story and your brain does turn off.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Writing is another one.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That's why I like writing so much, because I, yes, I get my emotions out on page, but, like when I'm writing the words, I'm just seeing one word at a time, instead of all of them just clubbered up in my head.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I would say also sitting in silence.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: We don't know how to sit in silence.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Try to sit in a room with no technology, nothing, for five minutes and just see how long you can last without feeling like an itch to go.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And just like focus on your breathing or something.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, focus on your breath.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Like that's another underrated one too.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Um, I've heard, uh, on the similar note with that, especially like deprivation, like just like a sensory deprivation, but going on, a dopamine um, a dopamine um deprivation period of time where, because we're always, we're just overwhelmed with dopamine with other than we're getting dopamine hits all the time.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So it was like purposely deprive yourself of dopamine for the bouts of time over many, many episodes, so that when something like then, when we're presented with a dopaminergic type of experience, it's more authentic, right?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I've heard that too.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, have y'all done studies like getting exposed to stuff like that, where it's like the creative outlets or the decompression avenues is actually supposed to help as a relation to decreasing the dopamine?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that the purposeful thing?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: so I'm really starting to get into more of that wellness scene now myself.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Um, I I'm not gonna say here to say I know that that works for a fact, but but I do know that it does work.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you think of sound therapy and you think of these different like people do sound baths and sound bowls all the time to help the frequencies in their brain and kind of just chill out for a second, and that's what silence also does.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Silence gives your brain that space just to relax and if you have a person that's filled with anxiety, your mind is going to be running at a thousand miles per second and it's how to calm down with that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So somebody starting with anxiety having deprivation in a soundproof room or just somewhere that's just away from all the stimulation, it can really help.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It can really help.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: But you have to give yourself the chance to put your feet firm down on the ground and say I can get through this five minutes and do it over and over and over again until those five minutes seem like it's nothing.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So your suggestion is start with five minutes.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Five minutes, yeah, literally just five minutes.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Focus on your breath, just breathe for a second.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: If you want to start with music at first, like noise canceling headphones and do like different sounds and just hurts of I don't know, like these different beats that got going on.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That also is a great way to start just to focus on the thoughts that you have and then, when you feel comfortable, to take away the music or take away that the beats or the noise that you have.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: So like white noise, you like white noise, I like brown noise, which is like a mixer of two yeah, yeah, my daughter used to sleep with pink noise.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I see actually we still have our kids on pink noise.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We had this baby app, you know we're like different.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, orange, brown, blue, white, green.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't have.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: They have a green noise.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: There's all colors, it's just different pitches.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You know different, different pitch, um, and it's weird.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I was like this pink noise a little deeper, you know, and white noise a little more piercing and a little higher pitched, and I was like that seems it's abrasive, you know.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a little more soothing, right.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Anyway, she seemed to do that and we just stuck with all our kids yeah, I mean it calms down the brain like it literally does it's.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it, yeah it's the craziest thing, man.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: It's uh, we, yeah, and it's weird too.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the pink noise, some kind of white noise like that, yeah, all right, so you're saying white noise, a beats um, a sequencing, or just complete silence?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just noise.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Cancel-canceling headphones.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be amazing, and just give yourself a second to get away.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: What if somebody?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: says I'm not good at that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You have to give yourself a chance.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That's the anxiety talking or that's the fear talking.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Right, we have to understand where are these thoughts coming from.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: What does that stem from?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: If you say you can't do something, it's out of the fear that you're incapable of accomplishing that task.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And you have to truly believe in yourself.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It's not corny to say I believe in myself or I can do it, but that's how effective it is.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And you have to show up and face the fear.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Now, if you can only do it for a minute or two minutes, then you have like your standard goal.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Now you know you can do it for at least two minutes.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Next time you do it, try to go a little bit longer.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing elevating, working yourself up.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah to getting there I had heard somebody, uh, mentioned that before too.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: They were like yeah, do five minutes.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And they were like you've never done before and you're concerned.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You have a fear, which is you're imagining it's not even actually happened yet.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You're just imagining you're gonna fail or just not gonna be good at it or not like it or whatever.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Right, so it hasn't even happened, just imaginary.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Um, let's say, you do do it, never done it before.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: You're always super fast paced, ton of simulation all the time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: You have battling anxiety, which is a very common thing, and that's how you try this five minute thing.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think you're going to be good at it right away?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And they're like no, and I was like exactly, that's okay.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, expect yourself to not be good Like the first time you know you played football, catch a pass like you like it's trash randy moss right away.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like it's okay to be bad and you would expect, expect yourself to be bad at like what you would consider to be good, but that's okay, right, right, like, so it happened, that's what.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, expectations happened, okay, cool.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Next time, do the same thing and you probably expect to be a little bit better maybe, but maybe the same good days and bad days, yeah, but anyway, I, I um for goal setting, like how the mentor told me that one time in a sense of like, um, just do the thing, like whatever it is as an entrepreneur, right, marketing sales, treating people like working with people, whatever, networking, whatever, yeah, um, just be scared, just do it scared, that's okay.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You're like you're not gonna be good at it and you're concerned that you're going to fail.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That's all right, just be scared.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to do it Like what's actually going to happen, right, you're not picking up a poisonous snake and trying to play with it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: But that fight or flight it kicks in that's the severity of anxiety and that's the realness of it is that it targets your fight or flight and makes you have certain stress that you should not have.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: That's why you have to exercise the skills of stillness and of a space where you can just relax and know what that feels like.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So you don't have to be.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So let's say, let's say, well, a couple of minutes and we'll land the plane.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: But let's say somebody is battling an anxiety issue, right, which is very common, and during the day they're like hey, I battle this anxiety.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: If I know, I'm going to have a conversation with my boss.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I know I have a conversation today at noon, at lunchtime or whatever, and it's coming up.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: What do you recommend?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Right, right then.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Right before you got to breathe, like at that moment, more than anything, you have to find stillness in your breath, right?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: So I went playing football.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: My friend used to be like oh, if you're nervous, that means you're ready, like you've done everything it takes and you just want to be able to do it to the best of your ability at your execution.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Right, if you know that you're an employee who has done everything right, you show up, you put your best step forward.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe you make mistakes here and there, and that's okay.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Before talking to CEO or your boss or somebody about whatever it might be, you're having anxiety or you're feeling anxious, take a second to just breathe in through the nose, out through the mouth, and ask yourself why am I feeling like this and how can I change that?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: And then, once you figure out that reason and how to change it, just focus on that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Keep breathing into the nose.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to change it by doing this.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to feel okay by lowering my heart rate.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go in there and I'm going to be myself.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I'm confident that I'm a great employee.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Just reminding yourself of these things that you are and not fill yourself with the fear, the doubts of everything that you're not.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: So that just kind of gets you on the right path.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So with focusing on the breathing, what does that?
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: do Slows down everything your nervous system, your physical needs, everything.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: It slows you down right.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: You might have, like I said, a thousand thoughts per minute running through your brain.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: When you're breathing through the nose and out through the mouth, your brain literally has to slow down right.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So it's like you can see each thought a little bit slower.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: So it helps you process things better.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yep, same way we were talking about with creative outlets.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're super stressed in your everyday, what is your creative outlet?
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: That gives you that space to analyze thoughts a lot slower, when you have the time you can.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: If you're in a fast-paced environment, you got to breathe, yeah, yeah, and that's the quickest way to be able to do that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Cool, awesome man.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming in and sharing a lot of this stuff.
• 50:19
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• 50:23
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• 50:28
  Speaker 2: If you want to send me an email, it's just going to be danielhutchinsonatprojectsparkcom.
• 50:35
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• 50:37
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• 50:40
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• 50:41
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• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Project Spark.
• 50:50
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• 50:52
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• 50:55
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• 50:58
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