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Justin Haskins - President's, Past and Present, Have Forgotten Something · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: thank you as always for joining us. Show fifty five
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  Speaker 1: to fifty nine and we are joined by He's the
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  Speaker 1: vice president policy at the Heartland Institute. He's an author,
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  Speaker 1: but more important than all of that, topping his resume
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  Speaker 1: is that he's a regular guest on this show. Justin Haskins,
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  Speaker 1: how are.
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  Speaker 2: You doing great? I'm all fired up. I've been up
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  Speaker 2: for hours listening to Taylor Swift. Switched over to the
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  Speaker 2: show here.
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  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, every morning, I get up every morning three am,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I do that's a great way to start.
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  Speaker 1: The morning, or a horrible one. Okay, I wanna, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna take I'm gonna take a lead for
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  Speaker 1: what you just said, I'm all fired up. What fires
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  Speaker 1: you up?
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  Speaker 2: Oh man? There's so much going on in the world
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  Speaker 2: right now. I think it's not hard to get fired up. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we haven't talked about about what's been going
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  Speaker 2: on in Iran at all, and that's sort of that's
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  Speaker 2: not usually I don't usually talk about foreign policy, but
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  Speaker 2: I think in this particular case, I'm a little I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty fired up about it. I'm pretty fired up about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not so much opposed to what's going on with
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  Speaker 2: the president and Iran and the bombing and basically going
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  Speaker 2: to war with Iran. And I'm glad that the Iatola
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  Speaker 2: is dead, you know, horrible regime, mass murderer. They deserve
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  Speaker 2: to be wiped off the face of the earth. The government,
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  Speaker 2: there no question about it. But I am deeply concerned
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  Speaker 2: that Congress has never declared war for this war, or
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  Speaker 2: seemingly for any other war for decades and decades and decades,
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  Speaker 2: and this pattern just continues to go on and on
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  Speaker 2: and on, and it does bother me. It does bother
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  Speaker 2: me because I think the Constitution is really clear about it,
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  Speaker 2: and I think historically even the War Powers Resolution and
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  Speaker 2: other things are very clear about it. And it just
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  Speaker 2: seems like every president, no matter who we have in office,
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  Speaker 2: ignores it and just goes into war whenever they feel
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  Speaker 2: like it. And I think part of the political conflict
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  Speaker 2: we had surrounding this wark comes from Congress never has
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  Speaker 2: to go on the record for it officially. They refuse
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  Speaker 2: to vote about it one way or the other, and
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  Speaker 2: so they hold no responsibility for what goes on. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's you know, that's the people's representatives. They
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  Speaker 2: should have to vote. And because they're not voting, it's
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  Speaker 2: all on Donald Trump's shoulders here, it's up to him
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  Speaker 2: to make the decision. And the same thing has been true.
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  Speaker 2: It happened with Joe Biden, it happened with Barack Obama,
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  Speaker 2: It's happened with every president we've had for my whole life,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm sick of it. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: where I'm at.
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  Speaker 1: Does Trump have thirty days though?
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  Speaker 2: You know? So, I think what you're referring to is
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  Speaker 2: part of a provision related to the War Powers Resolution.
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  Speaker 2: So this was a law that was passed in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies by Congress, and the purpose of the law
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  Speaker 2: was actually to try to rein in presidents from going
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  Speaker 2: to war too often. That was the point of it.
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  Speaker 2: And if you read it, it's really interesting. Most people
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  Speaker 2: have never read it. I didn't read it until about
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  Speaker 2: a year or two ago for the first time. But
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  Speaker 2: when you read it, it's very very clear. In the
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  Speaker 2: law it doesn't give the power to the president to
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  Speaker 2: go to war for any period of time other than
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  Speaker 2: a specific list of situations, and those situations basically say
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  Speaker 2: Congress has to declare war, Congress has to authorize the
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  Speaker 2: war in some other way without officially declaring it, or
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  Speaker 2: the United States has to be actively like under attack,
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  Speaker 2: and that those are the only conditions. And so it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't actually say presidents can choose to go to war
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  Speaker 2: for any length of time without Congressional approval unless we're
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  Speaker 2: being directly attacked. And the current president, as well as
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  Speaker 2: numerous other presidents, I think every president, does not recognize
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  Speaker 2: the War Powers Resolution. They say it's not legal, it's
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  Speaker 2: not constitutional, that's what they say. So it's there's no
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  Speaker 2: reason for anyone to take that position, actually, but it's
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  Speaker 2: widely believed.
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  Speaker 1: Vice president of Policy Hartland Institute. It's an author, researcher, writer, commentator,
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  Speaker 1: and friend of The Morning Show with Preston Scott. He's
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  Speaker 1: Justin Haskins, Justin I. I understand though, that if the
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  Speaker 1: President calls together Congress to talk about this particular action,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to tip off of Ron. They're not. We
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  Speaker 1: got members of Congress that hate this country.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, oh no, there's no question about it. When the
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  Speaker 2: when the when the provision was written, when they wrote
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  Speaker 2: the Constitution, they weren't concerned by that obviously because the
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  Speaker 2: world was just a totally different place. So you didn't
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  Speaker 2: have media and you couldn't you couldn't even really tip
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  Speaker 2: off enemies in these days, and so they weren't concerned
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  Speaker 2: by it. But that's just an argument for changing the
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  Speaker 2: constitution so that so that there's a different process for
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  Speaker 2: declaring war. But it isn't an argument for saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to ignore that part of a constitution
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  Speaker 2: because it isn't, you know, the best way of doing
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  Speaker 2: things in the modern world. That's why we have amendments
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  Speaker 2: and we probably do need an amendment for this, but
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  Speaker 2: that's not that's not the current law, and that, to
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  Speaker 2: me is the is the problem is, it's just not
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  Speaker 2: the current process. And Congress has been able to escape
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  Speaker 2: liability for all of these foreign conflicts for years and
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  Speaker 2: years and years because they never actually have to vote
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  Speaker 2: on anything, and I think that's a huge part of
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  Speaker 2: the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Let me pose this to you. What if I were
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  Speaker 1: to suggest, because I hear what you're saying, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a part of me I don't disagree, but I also
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  Speaker 1: have four pages of not an exhaustive list, but of
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  Speaker 1: one line list of things that Iran has done that
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  Speaker 1: has directly attacked American military Americans, whether it's themselves through proxies.
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  Speaker 1: What if I were to advance to you, Well, the
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  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is we've been under attacked by
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  Speaker 1: iron since nineteen seventy nine, and Donald Trump's just the
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  Speaker 1: first one willing to do something about it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that those are all valid justifications for having
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  Speaker 2: a war, but there's no there are no exception clauses
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  Speaker 2: in the Constitution that say, well, once you're attacked, then
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  Speaker 2: you can A president can go to war for an
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  Speaker 2: indefinite period of time often to the future. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing like that in there, because I think what
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  Speaker 2: they envisioned, and it's very clear from the Federalist papers,
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  Speaker 2: for example, it's very clear from the debates that they
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  Speaker 2: were having at the Constitutional Convention. They envisioned was if
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  Speaker 2: the country's going to go to war, the president doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get to decide. Once they decide, Congress decides. Once Congress
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  Speaker 2: decides we're going to war, the president runs it. That
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  Speaker 2: was so clearly the system that they That was the
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  Speaker 2: check and balance about checks and balances, right and right now,
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  Speaker 2: we have no checks and balances when it comes to wars.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially very few. I mean they do technically exist, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not utilized at all. The president just decides when
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  Speaker 2: to go to war whenever he feels like it, and
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  Speaker 2: then it's up to Congress to do some special action
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  Speaker 2: to try to stop it. And a lot of those
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  Speaker 2: actions can actually be prevented by the president himself through vetos.
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  Speaker 2: And so the whole thing is just a gigantic, gigantic
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  Speaker 2: mess because both parties have failed to follow the process.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's not to say, I mean it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: unfair to hold him to a standard that no one,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I'm holding all the presidents to the
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  Speaker 2: same standard, right right, this is how they've all done it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, well, Donald Trump's some monster who's doing
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  Speaker 2: it and no one else has. They've all done it
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  Speaker 2: for you know, for basically since World War Two. But
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  Speaker 2: it has to stop. I think that's the main thing
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  Speaker 2: that I'm concerned with is there's just we need to
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  Speaker 2: have a constitutional process for deciding when we go to
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  Speaker 2: war and when we don't go to war, and if
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  Speaker 2: we need to reform it, then we should do it
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  Speaker 2: by amending the Constitution, not by just ignoring it. That's
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  Speaker 2: you know again, and this is a weird position because
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  Speaker 2: most people don't take this position. They're either just totally
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  Speaker 2: against it or they're totally for it. But that's to me,
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  Speaker 2: that's the most important thing, the foundational first Principles issue here.
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  Speaker 1: Justin and I were chatting it up in the break.
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, the next piece you need to
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  Speaker 1: write is your amendment of the Constitution to address this issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think I'm going to do it. You're
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  Speaker 2: putting me on the spot here on Oh you're making
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  Speaker 2: me commit to my next up. But I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to do it. It's a great idea, it really is,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it is something that we've lost in
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  Speaker 2: the United States on both sides. But it's more of
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  Speaker 2: a Democrat problem this, We're being honest, more of a
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  Speaker 2: liberal problem. But when we when we don't like some
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  Speaker 2: aspect of the Constitution, we just ignore that part of it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's like, no, I think we need need
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  Speaker 2: to all amend it. If you don't, if we think
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  Speaker 2: there's a problem, let's amend it.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted, I want you to address what we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about, and I we were just kind of kicking around.
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  Speaker 1: How ironic it is that the left just conveniently ignores
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  Speaker 1: the actions of Obama and to a certain extent, Biden,
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  Speaker 1: although that was just total incompetence there, and that they
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  Speaker 1: really were supporting us going to war in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's unbelievable. The left was eager, i mean,
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  Speaker 2: foaming at the mouth for us to be involved in
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine against another nuclear power, Russia. They wanted it so badly.
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  Speaker 2: You still drive around and see people with Ukrainian flags
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  Speaker 2: hanging from their doors and everything. I mean, they really
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  Speaker 2: really wanted it. And I feel bad for the Ukrainian people, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but that is not a conflict with the United States
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  Speaker 2: by any means. This conflict with Iran. As you pointed
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  Speaker 2: out in one of the previous segments, Iran has actually
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  Speaker 2: directly killed American soldiers and funded terrorists who have killed
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  Speaker 2: Americans numerous times over the past half century, unlike say
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  Speaker 2: Russia in recent history, who really hasn't killed any Americans.
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  Speaker 2: And yet the Democrats wanted it to be more involved
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  Speaker 2: in Ukraine and they don't want us to do anything
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  Speaker 2: in Iran. There's no consistency on the left at all
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  Speaker 2: other than to say, if Donald Trump wants to do something,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to be one hundred percent behind it
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  Speaker 2: every single time, no matter how inconsistent we are. That's
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  Speaker 2: the only consistency that they have, and they're doing very
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  Speaker 2: well at it in this particular case. I guarantee that
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  Speaker 2: if Joe Biden decided he was going to go to
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  Speaker 2: war with Iran, or whoever was actually running the White
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  Speaker 2: House while he was there, I believe they would have
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  Speaker 2: been one hundred percent behind it. Joe. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's any question about it.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden would have called on the Persians.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh wow, if he's if he's lucky, he would
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  Speaker 2: have called him the first. That's probably too accurate even
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  Speaker 2: for him.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk again in roughly thirty days. Thirty
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  Speaker 1: days from now, you think we're still going to be
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  Speaker 1: at war in Iran and believe we'll ever put boots
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  Speaker 1: on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how we win the war in Iran
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  Speaker 2: without putting boots on the ground and still being in
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  Speaker 2: war in thirty days. So if we if we're not there,
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  Speaker 2: it's because we've decided to leave prematurely. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think if you're going to fight the war. You fight
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  Speaker 2: the war to win. You don't fight the war. It's
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  Speaker 2: a sort of kind of win. So I hope that
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  Speaker 2: isn't the case at this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find out about thirty days when we talk again. Justin,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for the time. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks presding Ticket.
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