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VICKI’S 90-DAY FIANCÉ?! | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, the Love and Marriage franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Raindrops. The Monday Night Live crew is headed to
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  Speaker 2: New York City.
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  Speaker 1: We have a live show on Sunday, September 20th, at
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  Speaker 1: the City Winery in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Come see me, Carlos King, blue-centric Claudia Jordan, and Dustin Ross.
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  Speaker 1: Live on stage in New York City, Sunday, September 20th,
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  Speaker 1: City Winery.
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  Speaker 2: Get your tickets at KingdomRainint.com. Hey, Raindrops.
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  Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality with the King, Alexis Jansen
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  Speaker 1: and I. Listen, Fridays is so fun because Alexis and
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  Speaker 1: I get to not only recap episodes, Season 20 of
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  Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Orange County, we get to like
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  Speaker 1: see each other gossip and talk about all the work
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  Speaker 1: we got done to our face.
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  Speaker 3: We first came on guys and I, we weren't recording yet,
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  Speaker 3: but I said, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Why are you glowing? Did you get a facial?
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  Speaker 3: But now I think from his smirky little look, I
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  Speaker 3: think he just had a little fun last night that
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  Speaker 3: went into the wee hours of the morning.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that's happening this weekend, if I'm being
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  Speaker 1: honest with you.
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  Speaker 4: Precursor, you've got the precursor glow because you know it's
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  Speaker 4: coming soon. Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's happening this weekend, if I'm being honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, Alexis. No.
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  Speaker 1: So the funny thing is, ask any man, ask John this,
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  Speaker 1: and ask Spencer.
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  Speaker 2: For men, our facelift is getting a haircut.
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  Speaker 3: I totally thought you just shaved your hair, your baldness
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  Speaker 3: completely beautifully done.
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  Speaker 4: To the, like, look at that. There is not one
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  Speaker 4: follicle anywhere on there.
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  Speaker 2: That's all it is. I got a haircut.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis, I got a haircut 10 minutes before we were recording.
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  Speaker 4: And you made it on time? Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it ended, let me rephrase that. It ended 10
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  Speaker 1: minutes ago.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God. Did you have them come to your hotel?
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  Speaker 4: By the way, where are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm at a hotel. I'm being honored. Yes, I'm in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being honored.
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  Speaker 1: It's Gay Pride Weekend in Atlanta. And there's a gala
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  Speaker 1: happening tonight where I'm getting an award.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And what is this award for?
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  Speaker 2: It is actually, it's for.
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  Speaker 1: Like outstanding achievement in arts and entertainment. So shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Atlanta Gay Black Pride.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. Round of applause. Round of applause.
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  Speaker 4: Round of applause.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, proud of you.
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  Speaker 4: That's my friend, guys. That's my friend, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. So I'm in Atlanta right now. So, girl,
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  Speaker 2: I have to call the barber and say... Do me right.
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  Speaker 2: I have a busy day.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure I look the fuck good before I hit
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  Speaker 1: record as me and Alexis get into this episode of
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  Speaker 1: Horse County.
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  Speaker 4: Because.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, Alexa, you always look great.
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  Speaker 1: The hair is giving me a little Farrah Fawcett tease too.
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  Speaker 1: So raindrops, you got to join YouTube. Subscribe to YouTube
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  Speaker 1: so you can see all the beautifulness that is Alexis Jansen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just actually did my hair. Last week you
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  Speaker 3: got dirty hair thrown in a bun with glasses on.
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  Speaker 3: I was just totally like, you know, but today I've
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  Speaker 3: got a packed day too.
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  Speaker 4: So it was like, okay, I've got to be up
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  Speaker 4: at six ready to go for the whole day. So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a busy lady today. Okay, okay, okay. Look
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  Speaker 2: at you. I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, the good thing is this. I am actually pretty
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  Speaker 1: stoked to talk about this episode.
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  Speaker 4: I could tell.
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  Speaker 3: Not only did you have the barber or, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fornication glow going on.
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  Speaker 4: You have a glow of, I am really excited about
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  Speaker 4: this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I was into this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I thought a lot of things happened in this episode
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  Speaker 1: that I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's been a long journey, but Alexa was right.
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  Speaker 1: She said, Carlos, just wait until the mid-season trailer shows up.
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  Speaker 1: And you predicted that things would be happening later. the
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  Speaker 1: way you and I like it. So look, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we're heading in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as.
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  Speaker 1: Explosive as past seasons, but I like the direction in
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  Speaker 1: which it's going.
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  Speaker 2: So looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think happened in this episode that was
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  Speaker 3: different that made it a little bit better to watch?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean activate a Tamar judge?
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  Speaker 4: Honey, that's like semi-activated.
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  Speaker 3: She got, she's like on the scale of a one
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  Speaker 3: to 10. She was like, now she's been at a two.
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  Speaker 3: She was now at least a five.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere. We're getting somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: Come on. Come on, Tammy Sue.
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  Speaker 2: Save the day. Save the day. Save the day.
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  Speaker 1: You know who isn't saving the day, honey?
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  Speaker 2: Emily. Emily has a hard-on for the takedown of Heather Dubrow.
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  Speaker 4: And look, Well, so do you. Why don't you call Emily?
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  Speaker 4: We're on a team together. You guys are on this
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  Speaker 4: island about it together.
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  Speaker 2: And hey, who knows?
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  Speaker 4: After a certain couple episodes, maybe I'm going to jump
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  Speaker 4: on your island.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Listen, in all fairness. We shall see. Girl,
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  Speaker 2: we shall see.
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  Speaker 1: But look, in all fairness, you may be very surprised
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  Speaker 1: by my take on this episode as.
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  Speaker 2: It relates to it because, look, I'll say this much.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this much.
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  Speaker 1: I did enjoy seeing that Heather is being called out.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get right into it.
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  Speaker 1: Heather is with Carmela and honey, they are establishing a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting friendship. And the friendship is, you know, Heather
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  Speaker 1: wants Carmela to be her real estate agent.
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  Speaker 2: To find her daughter a home in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: And she did not call Josh Altman, who is her
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  Speaker 1: and Terry's favorite realtor of all time. And she did
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  Speaker 1: not even call Gina, who is also a realtor, but
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  Speaker 1: she is using Carmela as the realtor. Now, look, there's
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  Speaker 1: two sets of thoughts here to me. Is Heather playing
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  Speaker 1: chess in the reality game of Housewives? Or is she
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  Speaker 1: really fond of Carmella? My thought is she's playing chess.
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  Speaker 1: She needs somebody on her side the way she had
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  Speaker 1: Gina on her side years back when they went to
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  Speaker 1: New York City and shared a pizza on the streets
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  Speaker 1: of Times Square. That's what Heather does to me. So
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Heather has called Carmella trashy and said
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't belong in this group, now you're using her
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  Speaker 1: to find your.
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  Speaker 2: Daughter a home in San Diego. I'm not buying.
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  Speaker 1: It.
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  Speaker 3: I've gone back and forth on this one because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it is true that Carmela lives down, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: that area. I know her mansion down there is close
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  Speaker 3: to that area. So she knows the traffic going in
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  Speaker 3: and out. I loved her advice on if your daughter
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  Speaker 3: gets this you know, apartment, she might be stuck in
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  Speaker 3: 45 to an hour of traffic more than if she
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  Speaker 3: just got a different apartment.
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  Speaker 4: That's, you know, I loved all that advice. So part
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  Speaker 4: of me.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, eh, it makes kind of the sense that
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  Speaker 3: you would have her over Gina who's here.
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  Speaker 4: But at the other, you know, perspective of.
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  Speaker 3: That is Gina has been on the show for how
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  Speaker 3: many years with Heather now, known Heather how many years now,
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  Speaker 3: and has been a real estate, a very successful real
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  Speaker 3: estate agent for how many years now.
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  Speaker 4: So why wouldn't you have just gone to Gina?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of, I'm kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of in agreement with you about, like, maybe she is
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  Speaker 3: playing chess. Maybe she felt so bad about calling her
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  Speaker 3: trashy that she's like, okay, let me throw her a
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  Speaker 3: bone since I effed up.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm confused about this. I have to see more of these, like,
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  Speaker 3: the interaction between those two. And the reunion, I think,
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  Speaker 3: is good because there's a lot more season left to go.
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  Speaker 3: We're not even half nine. There's 17. I did get
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  Speaker 3: confirmation there's 17 from an inside source.
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  Speaker 4: There is 17 before the reunion.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a lot of episodes. Okay, good. Yeah, so it's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be 19 to 20, two-part reunion or three.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be 19 to 20 episodes is what
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what Beverly Hills was. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot more meat on this bone for me
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  Speaker 4: to figure out what I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the meat on this bone is what
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  Speaker 1: Heather is throwing Carmella.
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  Speaker 2: She's throwing her bone, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think she's throwing her bone to say, Join me
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  Speaker 1: in this group because these other ladies aren't feeling you.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 1: I think Heather had no idea that these ladies were
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  Speaker 1: going to go against her when this season started. The
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  Speaker 1: season started. She felt like she was in a good place.
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  Speaker 1: She was shocked at her party in episode one that
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  Speaker 1: Jen told Tamara what she said about her, putting her
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  Speaker 1: in a box. Heather was clearly offended by that. She
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  Speaker 1: really was offended by Jen saying, Jen, I thought we
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  Speaker 1: were friends. Then at Tamara's party. Emily's on her back
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, yo, Emily, chill out. She was surprised
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  Speaker 1: that Emily, you know, had a heart on for her.
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  Speaker 1: And now that these women are calling her out, I
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  Speaker 1: think psychologically, listen.
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  Speaker 2: Heather's smart.
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  Speaker 1: Heather's only worry in life is whether or not Saks
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  Speaker 1: will open up in time for her to buy a
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  Speaker 1: Dior bag. You know, that's the only worry she has.
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  Speaker 1: So with that being said, Alexa- I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think she carries Dior, to be honest. I think you're
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  Speaker 4: about two scales low on what she carries.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you something. You know why I
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  Speaker 2: said Dior?
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  Speaker 4: Because of Carmela's gifts.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Queen, oh.
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  Speaker 2: I happen to be on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. And Heather- was on TikTok in her closet. She
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  Speaker 1: opened up a Dior bag and she sang the song,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm unrelatable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not, no, listen, listen.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, what am I missing? No, no, no, tell me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm having an airhead moment right here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it. No, no, no, no, you're not. No,
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  Speaker 2: you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I'm going to show this
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  Speaker 1: to you. So raindrops, that's why you have to Go on.
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  Speaker 4: None of it's linking in my brain of how that's
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  Speaker 4: cute or where I'm missing something. I need to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, honey. What's missing is humility.
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  Speaker 1: So let me tell you what happened. So Heather Dubrow,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, she obviously is on TikTok. And there
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  Speaker 1: was a video she posted carrying a Chanel bag.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to play it for you. You ready for it?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 4: I don't get it. Like she's.
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  Speaker 3: Why is she saying Unrelatable? Because she got a custom one.
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  Speaker 3: She ordered a custom one.
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  Speaker 2: No. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is when you're having a blonde moment, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to school you what Heather's doing.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Please do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Rest in peace, Natalie Cole. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, Natalie Cole has a song called Unforgettable
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  Speaker 1: with her dad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Heather is saying Unrelatable.
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  Speaker 1: Heather is owning the fact that I am Unrelatable as
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  Speaker 1: she is opening up a....
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  Speaker 2: A bag that is a new Dior bag. So she
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  Speaker 2: pretty much is owning the fact that I am unrelatable
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  Speaker 2: and I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 1: So she's leaning into the fact that as a wealthy
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  Speaker 1: woman who lives in Beverly Hills, but is on Orange
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  Speaker 1: County housewives, that she is able, that is a crocodile, right? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 4: That's like a $ 30, 000 Dior bag.
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  Speaker 3: So what she's saying is What she's saying is Carmela
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  Speaker 3: can buy whatever bag she wants for everyone else, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I did the math on this. She
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  Speaker 3: owes now everybody in that group $ 3, 000 gifts because now
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  Speaker 3: you're going to piss someone off if you don't.
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  Speaker 4: So there are seven women she's paying. She's $ 21, 000 into
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  Speaker 4: the season from her non-amount of money that you make
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  Speaker 4: as a brand new housewife. I did the math.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like.
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  Speaker 4: Plus tax. She's like 25 grand in here. And she
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  Speaker 4: got a t-shirt and a scarf.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Girls.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait for the next birthdays. I want all
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  Speaker 3: of them to have birthdays, see what they come up with.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, I think you're right. So maybe she's, Heather
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  Speaker 3: is saying you're unrelated. I'm unrelatable because I'm getting a
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  Speaker 3: crocodile Dior. Well, Carmela is giving everyone $ 3, 000 to yours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Crocodile custom was 30,000 and your crop, your, your, all
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  Speaker 3: your Dior bags are around three grand.
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  Speaker 4: So wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I never saw it because I'm not on TikTok. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I have an account, but I just never
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  Speaker 3: go on it. But I, wow, Carlos, I, this is
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  Speaker 3: really just.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you just, you just opened up this episode
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  Speaker 4: with a really, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: My thinking cap has to get on.
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  Speaker 2: How the, okay. How, well, let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's, let's have a real conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Is that tone deaf?
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  Speaker 4: Well, for me, it was because I didn't even get it.
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  Speaker 2: I was tone deaf.
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  Speaker 4: So you pointed it out, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I would, I really would love to get
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  Speaker 3: inside Heather's mind and say why maybe she wasn't even,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I have done, I'm going to, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to play devil's advocate here. I have done things on
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  Speaker 3: national television or with you even that I have thought
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  Speaker 3: one thing in my mind and then everyone else perceived
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  Speaker 3: it another way. And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's
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  Speaker 3: not at all what I meant. That's not at all
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  Speaker 3: what I was doing or that, you know, that's not
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  Speaker 3: what was going in my mind. I would love to
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  Speaker 3: hear what Heather's real reason was for that song. And
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  Speaker 3: that unrelatable is it that the bag is unrelatable because it's,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt
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  Speaker 3: that she wasn't tone deaf. So is, is it that
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  Speaker 3: the bag is unrelatable because it is a custom bag.
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  Speaker 4: So she's not saying it as a punch to anyone.
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  Speaker 4: Could that be possible?
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  Speaker 2: I think anything is possible. Listen, I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind anybody who owns who they are and
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  Speaker 1: they don't try to pretend they are relatable.
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  Speaker 2: So my thing with Hebda Bro is this.
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  Speaker 1: What she displayed to me is exactly who I've always
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  Speaker 1: seen her to be.
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  Speaker 2: And let's be clear.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have a problem with it. I,
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  Speaker 1: Carlos King, personally don't have a problem with it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's who she is. And I, as a reality producer, I.
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  Speaker 1: Want women, men, gays and gays, whomever, I want you
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  Speaker 1: to be who you are. Just don't pee in my
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  Speaker 1: face and tell me that it's raining, right? Don't make
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  Speaker 1: it seem like No, I like going to eat New
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  Speaker 1: York City pizza. And no, all my friends aren't fancy.
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  Speaker 1: I have regular friends. No, this is who you are.
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  Speaker 2: And I like it. And I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why the girls, meaning the housewives,
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  Speaker 1: her castmates, have a big issue with her. It's because
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  Speaker 1: they're sort of like, just fucking own it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm kind of getting that feeling too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting that feeling from the girls that
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  Speaker 3: that's why they're rubbed wrong, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, we only see a snippet of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what's really taped.
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  Speaker 3: So there could be even more or whatever, but I
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  Speaker 3: do feel like they're just kind of like, okay, everyone
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  Speaker 3: else is owning their crap these days.
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  Speaker 4: Like we just need you to just, just own it too.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's, listen, I think it's only right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's fair that these women feel that that way,
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  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, They're all on
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the show together, trying their best to give their real life.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And for fancy pants to talk shit about people behind
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: their backs, in this case, Carmella, only to all of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: a sudden be chummy chummy with her.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I do agree with them. It does look confusing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, I am not upset that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: these ladies are calling her out.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's the right thing to do, personally.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what this show is about though.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, in all reality, that's, that's what this show
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: is all about. And every housewife show is about calling
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: people out for what you're bothered with conflict resolution.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, it, it seems like Heather's
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: letting it all roll off. So maybe she is handling
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: it right. You know, she's kind of letting, she's not
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: getting all like upset about it. She's just kind of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: like letting it go. You know, she's like, She's like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: when they were in shopping for sunglasses, she was like, yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: they're like, isn't that what's happening?
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Everyone is coming at me this season.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: So she didn't get all upset. She didn't start to cry.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: She just let it go.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I had to make light of it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Before we get to that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Too, because I can't wait to talk about her reaction
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: when the girls told her what was going on, because
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to me, she kind of broke the fourth wall to
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you and I. I can tell you saw that too.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: What did you think about the ladies? So Tamara, Emily,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and Jen, they are talking about Vicky. And what they
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: revealed is while they were in Vegas, apparently Vicky's boyfriend, Mike,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: was there for a couple of hours. Vicky did not
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: show him on camera. When they stopped filming, he emerged
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and the girls found out after cameras were down and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the crew was wrapped that her boyfriend's there. And they're
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: talking about how Vicky always makes excuses to leave early.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And Emily is like, the reason why I call her
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Debbie Downer is because She seems to tone it down.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And they're wondering if Vicky is toning down her personality,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: leaving early, doing all these things because of Mike and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: her trying to become the woman Michael.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Wants her to be.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: But what do you think before I answer?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I think 100%.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think, and I'm basing this off of watching Vicky
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: since she was married to Don. You know, when she
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: complained that Don wasn't filling her love tank, listen, she's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: not the first and she won't be the last woman
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: To be in a long marriage and all of a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: sudden feel like who we met when we got married,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I may not recognize that same person again. Or recognize myself, right?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And that's fair. That's totally fair, right? So then she
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: started dating Brooks. Oh, honey, when she was dating Brooks
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and you were there, boo, you were there, okay? I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: didn't recognize Vickie. Neither did her children. You know, Brianna
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: called it out. Like, who the fuck are you, right?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So then when it came to Mike, knowing that in
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: one scene, she talks about when she's around Mike, she
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: pulls his pants down. And then when the ladies bring
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it up, she's like, don't talk about that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: It's inappropriate.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And she doesn't want to talk about the fact that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Mike is dangling this ring that In front of her
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: face to the point where he's given her 90 days,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: she survived 70 days, fucked up, and then she has
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to start back over from the beginning.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: That to me is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to say this and I'm not going
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to take it back, that to me is a form
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of emotional control.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't even know if I believe that that
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: even happened. I mean, I would love to know if
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that's true or not.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And anything that is said on this TV show, it
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: goes for truth and that it was done and it
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: is what it happened and this and that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: And it isn't always the case. I would love to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: know if that really did happen with Mike, where.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: He said to one of them the 90 days and
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: she only made it 70.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: But I feel like, you know, are you watching Ultimate
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Girls Trip?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Okay.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to take us on a little journey here.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Your raindrops mentioned to us on one of our polls
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: that we did that you won and I lost, which
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I'll never let you live down.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Unanimously, I might add, but go ahead.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Shut the front door right now.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I jumped through that computer screen and arm-wrestled you because these,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: look at this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Look at that, what my trainer's doing. Watch out.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Show yours.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Let me see. Let me see.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Who can... Oh shit. You got me. You know what?
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I bet I could hold the wall, the wall squat,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: but longer than you, mister.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: You could.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Let's, let's do the wall squat. Cause there's something I
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: can win.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: I'll be unanimous on that one.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: So when we were listening to girls or.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: When we were listening to all of those reviews and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: they were like, no, Alexis, I'm going to give you
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: grace because you haven't caught up with the ultimate girls.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So what I feel, I don't think it's Mike and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I love Vicky. So I hope she doesn't get mad
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: at me for saying this. Cause I am a team
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Vicky and I do want her on my screen. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: feel like she's going to watch this season and realize
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: that she was, um, kind of Debbie Downer also.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Hold on a second. My gate is calling me. Hold
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: on one second. Hello.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Alexis.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Good morning. Ray calling.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. From the gate.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a gentleman from LA solar. Oh my gosh. Yes.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Let him in. Oh my gosh. They didn't call me.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I need him in. Thank you.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Okay. Bye. Oh my gosh.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: My, my son is going to have to go handle him.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: They didn't tell me he was coming today. My solar
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: panels all went out. Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry, Carlos.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: The gate calls. That's weird.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Um, Okay, so anyways, when all those comments came back,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I watched The Ultimate Girls Trip.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I got caught up for this Friday for To Be
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: With You, here with you.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And I feel like Vicky's going to rewatch this season
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and go, I was a little bit like, I just
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: see this air about her like she doesn't even really
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: want to be there. It's almost like she's grown out
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: of it. She thought she wanted to come back, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: she kind of outgrew it. That's how I feel. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: don't feel like it's Mike. I don't feel like it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: that she's trying to, I think that she does.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, all of us do.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Like there was a scene where I said something about, oh, John,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to wear the heels later on the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: night when you see me on the, you know, on
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the phone or whatever, when I was filming and they
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: caught that on camera.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: That's not real. I don't really want that out there.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: So you kind of like backpedal and you're like, oh God,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: that was kind of a stupid thing to do on camera,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: you know? But so maybe she did take that back.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's controlling her in that way. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: think she just does want to preserve it. She doesn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: want him to you know, complain to her and be like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: why are you putting our personal life out there so much?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know, I know you're in the reality world, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: can you just tone it back a little? I don't know. I, I,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I think she's just a little burnt out on it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: And I think she needs to rewatch it. I hope
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: they don't let her go.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Raindrops and everybody else. I, I love watching her. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: just think she's tired and needs to pump it up
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a little for next season.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: If she comes back.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think she's, I agree with you. And when you say.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: That one second, hold on miles. LA Solar is here.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I need you to go handle him and just tell
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: him I'm on a Zoom. No one called me, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: he can just, he can check out my solar, all
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: the solar stuff. Throw on some, yeah, throw on some hands.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: They just came through the gate. We have no solar
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: right now. So I need, I need help. I'm sorry.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I'm working.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you, honey. You're a working mom. I love it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, if they would have told me they were coming,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I could have pushed you back a little or said,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: let's start early or whatever. I mean, we could have been,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: don't just show up at my gate. I mean, hello.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I know it's an emergency because I need my solar working, but.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: You need it working. No, trust me, sister. I get it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I get it. You know what's funny?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I have Vicky in my podcast last year and during
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the taping, Alexis, She answered so many emails and was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: answering phone calls.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Just like on.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Girls Trip when she's on the van and she's emailing
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and she's.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm working, working and working. I don't need to
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: be on your car ride two hours.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I get it. I get it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: It's all good. And that's why, look, I love Vicky.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think Vicky wanted it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I think when she got it, the environment isn't her.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I do think two things can be true.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I do think Vicky, from what I've watched, I do
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: think Vicky adapts to the personality.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: The man she's dating wants her to have. I do
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: believe that, right?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I think that having a partner is very important to Vicky,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and I understand that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I like having a partner. It's important to me.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I do think what she's also trying to do, because
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: it is very complex.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I think she.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Also just doesn't want to repeat history where the show
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: does damage to her relationship.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And for that, I can get it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But that's when you also have to make the choice.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And it's a very difficult one to make. It really is.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And I don't take this lightly.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: That's when you have to choose what's more important, this
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: show or my future with this man.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Well, see, and that's where I don't think that's where
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: her I don't think that's where her mind is feeling.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's not about the man.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's about I took my orange back.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be one way because
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: now imagine how long it's been since she's had an orange.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: She's had an orange because she had a fringe friend
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: role and she's been making cameos. But since she's had
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a full orange, I think you told me it was
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: six years ago or whatever.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: The show is a new animal now.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Because even when I did Friend of three years ago,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: it is a completely different animal.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It is not the same.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: It is very much more intense. You are filming a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: lot more than you did back when I was doing
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: seasons five through eight. There's a lot more to it
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: because that's just what happens. It's just growth. It's not
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: anyone's doing anything or trying to make it more difficult
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: on the girls.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: It just has.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: evolved into what it is now. And I think Vicky
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: chewed more than she could handle. I think that she
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: thought she was going to get her orange back and
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: it was going to be one way. And then when
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: she got into it, it's this whole other, so much
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: more time consuming, so much more demanding, so much more involved,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: so many more fights that happen. And she's like, wow,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: this is just exhausting me. And maybe I shouldn't have
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: taken the orange, but she still wants it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. I think she still wants it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think she still wants to be on the show,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: but I think she's kind of guessing or second guessing
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: herself now being like, wow, this is a lot more
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: than I thought, you know? And she has to run
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: her Kodo insurance.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. I don't think it's like as
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: much as everyone else. But you have the Kodo insurance.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: It's true.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: No, it is true. It is true. It is true. Yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So listen, the thing is the ladies have every right
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit concerned about it because we're
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: going to get to this when Vicky's confronted on this
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with Tamara and the girls. But if Mike is dangling
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this carrot, giving her a timeline of when he's going
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to propose, that is a separate conversation that really makes
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: me uncomfortable.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I agree. But we'll get to that in a second.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Jen meets with her sons and she's having a conversation
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with them just about updating on life and everything else.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And one of her kids... And I couldn't wait.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: To talk to you about this because obviously you're a
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: mom and you have kids around the same age as Jen.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But when her son pretty much said to her that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: when it comes to his feelings, he's more comfortable talking
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: about it to a therapist than his mother. And that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to me was sort of like a gut punch because
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I was such a mother's boy that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I told my mother everything, how I felt. Like I
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: just told her everything. And my mother... And I were
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: super close.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And I feel like Jen wants to make sure that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: her kids can come to her.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure the rest of her kids do.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: But this particular one doesn't want to. And it really
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: did make.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Me sad to sort of hear that. Has that ever
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: been your experience with your children?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I can kind of see both ways. I mean, my
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: kids come to me and sometimes tell me things I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: don't really want to know. You know, you're like, okay,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that's a little bit too much. But then I put
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: on an act and I'm like, oh my God, that's
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: so cool. You know, I'm trying to be the cool mom.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: But then I find out later things that have happened
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: that they didn't tell me. And now they're older and
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: they're like, back when I.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Was 17, I did this. And now he's 20 and
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: almost 21 and married. And I'm like, oh my gosh.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Thank God you didn't tell me then. So it goes
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: both ways.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: But I do have, my kids do have therapists and
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: there are things I think that little things that happen
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: in school.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, they come to me a lot.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Like they'll sit on my bed till 11 o'clock at
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: night with John and I, and just, you know, pour
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: our ear.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: That's when they open up or whatever, you know, they
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: just talk.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That's special, Alexis. I love that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: It's really cool.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And then like Kenna, Kenna's in school now and she's
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: called me like 10 times a day, like just telling
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: me the little things. So they, they do tell me
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: everything and a lot of that goes on. Um, I
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: did tell her boys are bad, so keep your boys away,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: but He's in Christian school and I'm like.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: No boy can get in her room even. So this
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: is perfect for me.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: But anyways, so no, I think that I get it
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: that that one does have a little bit harder time
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: opening up because of what he said. He said it
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: was because he, he. doesn't want to hurt his parents
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: or say something that they don't want to hear. He's
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: kind of more of like a perfectionist with his parents.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: He doesn't want his parents to look at him a
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: different way or whatever, where the other one was sitting
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: there and just like, I'll tell her everything.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't care.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: So I think that that comes and goes with all
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the kids, but my kids tell me a lot. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I think there's things that they probably tell their therapist
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: that they don't necessarily bring to me. And they'll all
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: hear about it in two years.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Cause they want to make sure their mother's like can
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: also handle the news. But what is so interesting is
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: when I was in my 20s, and I'm assuming you too,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: we didn't even have a therapist to talk to.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: You went to your mom or you went to your
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: best friend or you went to your best friend's mom.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: That was it. Or you could go to your school counselor, though.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: There was that.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure, for sure. So
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: my point is what.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Which I think is a great thing, by the way,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: but what made you want to even give them that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: opportunity in their, at their young age, even to have
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a therapist?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: We were, we were from a, you know, we were
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: a broken family and, and there was a lot of
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: stress with that between the bouncing around homes until they,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: they moved in with me in 2022, but until they
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: moved in full time, there was a lot of stress
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and a lot of things.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: And, you know, and then I have my one that's LGBTQ.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: So it's like, you kind of have to like, you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you have to kind of like.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Move and let them have whatever facility they need to
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: be able to grow and be healthy.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's, I think it's, and I offered it
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: to my oldest and he, he was like, no, he
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: never wanted it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: He went to his pastor at church or his best
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: friends or me. And that was, that was it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: But the other two wanted it and they have a
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: great relationship and I've had to call and talk to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the therapist and say, help me through this deal, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with them.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: And so it's just, it's a really great tool.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Now that they're older, that really stopped about, that really
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: stopped their senior year, kind of halfway through their senior year.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Now it's like they're older and they're, you know, I
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: don't know. You kind of outgrow it, but if they
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: want them, they know they've got them and that knows
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a lot about them. So I also think that it
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: not necessarily that it's a trend. But I think it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: just kind of more of like, you know, like postpartum
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: has only been a word that we've known for how
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: many years, not even a decade yet. So I feel
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: like maybe the therapy thing was just something that America
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: is just taking on such a bigger, like mental health
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: is important. So everybody should have an outlet to go
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: to if they need to.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's brilliant. And I love that you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: do it. I love it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And I encourage parents, if the opportunity allows you You
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do it, do it. If you can afford to do it,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: do it. But if I had the resources, then I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: will have definitely done it myself in my teen years.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's something that is beautiful.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: So you would have liked to have a therapist instead
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: of just your mom?
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: The option of both.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I do think, I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: think to your kid's point, some things you don't want
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to tell your mom until later in life.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So to have that other outlet, I think it's super important.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I encourage parents, again, if you can afford it and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: if you're able to do it, I think it's a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: great thing. I really do, especially in this day and age.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: The one thing I recognized when I was trying to
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: find the right therapist for my kids, they both needed
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: a different one for different reasons. But insurance does cover
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: certain ones. And so I would call all of those.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: And then it's only like 50 bucks a session for
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: anyone that's listening. But then both of the ones that
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: my kids needed were out of network and that I
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: felt good with.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: And so then it's a fortune.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It's like if they're out of network and it's like
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: 200 bucks plus.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: So just try to stay with someone in network. You
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: just have to interview them, each therapist.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And find one that's most comfortable for you. I agree.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. Okay. We got to get into
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Miss Juicy.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's okay.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Are they out there? Because he's not even ringing the doorbell.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Just tell him I'm on work for the next half hour,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: but I'm a... I think he's just out there looking
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: around and doing things. If you see him, just tell
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: him I'll be available in 30.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks, honey.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Have fun at work. I'll talk to you after.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Love you. The mom she is. Okay, so look. Juicy.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, thank you, Tamara. Thank you, Tamara.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: See, we're going to say thank you, Tamara, a couple
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: of times this podcast. But was that not hilarious? I
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: loved everything about that scene.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Loved it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It's making me not want to turn 60, though, because
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: it happens in your 60s where all of this is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: all occurring, where you hit the wall or whatever for women.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm going to stay in my prime 50s.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I know because, first of all, Tamara's body is hot.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: On fire.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: On fire. Are you kidding me?
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: She's great. Ever since she did that fitness competition a
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: few years ago, that was what, like seven years ago?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: When was that one? Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's just rocking.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: It, man.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, when you open a gym, hello, you're going
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to look good anyway.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: No, she looks good. She looks good. So Tamara's checking
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: in at the hotel.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And she said, last name Juicy. And I love that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the front desk person was like, okay. You know, like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: not even reacting to it. Because she's probably like, this
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: fucking camera's in my face. Let me just do my
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: job and be professional.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, she's seriously sitting there going, okay, they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: filming a TV show.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: She's obviously.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: creating some good juice right now. Uh-huh.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Okay.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Didn't even mean to. Another Freudian slip there. I meant
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: juice for the camera, like some good scenes, you know?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Listen, uh-huh. Yeah, sure.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Thankfully, this podcast is rated R, so it's good.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: We do recommend 18 and above.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: If your kid's in the car, put on the AirPods. Okay.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Please shoot the ID at the door. Tamara is trying
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to sex it up for Eddie. She's like, look, we
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: hit a wall. And it's a wall. There's so many
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: sexual innuendos. And we're not even trying.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: My head's not even in there, in the gutter at all.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was a cute scene that married
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: couples can do. I thought it was amazing.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: And I want her little lace getup. I love that
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: little lace getup.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: No, the lace did good. Okay.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she did great.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: We talked about juices flowing and walls. So raindrops, do
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: with that in your imagination what you made. Okay. Let's
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: just say Tamra wants a juicy wall that Eddie can
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: bang up against. Is that fair to say?
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Carlos!
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I'm saying!
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Oh my God. Is that fair to say?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: So anyways, Alexa's like, Carlos, I'm not touching that. And
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Eddie said, I wasn't either.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: You're waiting for me to make a funny comment.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, next scene.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. So Tamara checks in.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: She has on this cute little black coat.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They're sitting down at the restaurant and she passes Eddie
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the room key and he's like, oh, okay.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, you know, things have been happening or
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: not happening. And I want to see.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: They haven't been happening.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: They admitted it because then they did a flashback to
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: their kitchen when they were talking about it. And she's like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: is our sex life bad? He's like, well, not great,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: but it's not bad. And I'm like, oh, good God,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that means it's bad.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: That means it's bad. That means it's bad, ladies. When
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: your husband tells you that, it's bad. It's bad. It's bad.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: She redeemed herself. She redeemed herself.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: She did. Now, look.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it that Tamara informs us that her and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Eddie got into a big argument six months ago.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And they were in the car. And the argument, Alexis,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was so bad. that Eddie said, that's it, that's it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's time that we file for divorce. Which,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: as a spouse, to hear the D word, that's tough.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And Tamra gets emotional and she admitted that the reality
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: set in with her that I got to do something
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: because I do not want to lose my man.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Like that, I, again, who, who would have thought?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I just know them as a couple that I think
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: it was just one of those things that he, it
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: probably did just slip because like he did moment.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're anywhere even close to that. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: I think that he just, it was just one of
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: those things where he was just at his wits end
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: and You know what, though? It shook her up, didn't it?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: It shooketh.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: She shooketh from that. So, you know, and she does
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: work a lot. And that's why Eddie said right there sitting,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, every time I call.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Her, she's I'm on the pod. I'm doing this. I'm
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And I'll call you back in 10. Like, it's never
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: just an easy, you know, get to her. She's just
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: she works a freaking ton. So he just made a point.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: He's like, we need to make time for ourselves, for us.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: So I think that's really what it boils down.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: To with them.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like the fact that she took matters
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: into her own hands by, you know, trying to show
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Eddie that it's serious, I get it, let me have
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: fun with it. And kudos to them for having fun
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in front of cameras so the world can see. Like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: when she disrobed at the restaurant and showing her lingerie, I'm.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Like, Tamara is.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Put that back on.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Tamara is so funny. And then when they get to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the room... And he's spanking her and she's crawling on
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: all floors and all that shit.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I thought that was so funny.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Bark like a dog. I chuckled a lot at that scene.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: He laid his head in her butt after he smacked
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: it because he laughed.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. Yes.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: No, he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait to taste the juice.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: He wanted the juice. Oh, Carlos.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Okay. We can tell you are revved
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: up for this weekend.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, Alexis.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: We know where your head is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go there. See, I stopped myself.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Good boy.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Good boy, Carlos.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Good boy.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Good boy.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Good boy. That's what he's going to say. Okay, so anyway,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I thought it was nice.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: He's going to say, Papa, Papa.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, Daddy. Alexis, you're repeating my words of affirmation that I've.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, let me stop. Okay, back to the show.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: It's getting hot in here. Okay. Okay.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: See, Tamara, look where you started. Listen, Tamara is a
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: sexy woman. What is she, 60?
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, almost. I know she turned 50. I think she
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: turned 58 this year.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: She looks good.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I should know this about my friend. This is really
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: easy to find because all I have to do is
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: hit Google. But okay, keep going.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: She looks good. Whatever the case may be, she looks amazing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I'm so- Oh, 59.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Next year's 60.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: 59. She looks good.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she does.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: She looks damn good. And I'm here for it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm happy that she decided to really show Eddie,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, business. And again, those type of scenes can
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: really be uncomfortable for the couple. So shout out to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: them for doing that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I thought it was great. Really good, really, really good,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, Heather goes shopping. She's with Emily and Jen. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: this is when she learns that Emily tells her, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Jen does too, like, it is weird what you're doing
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: with Carmella because you did call her trashy. I mean,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Jen is calling it out. She's like, look, you said
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: this about her. You said that about her. And in
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that moment, you could tell Heather was like, fuck. okay,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: these private conversations that I have with these ladies off camera,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: they're now going to use against me.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And that's why I will give Heather Dubrow this. She's smart.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: She knew if I deny it, the story grows bigger.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Well, if she denies it, not only is she caught
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: doing it, then she looks like a liar to deny it.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: So then you're having two.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: things against you instead of just taking one, taking it
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: and owning it and saying you're sorry.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Which is what she did. She said, I know it
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: was a shitty thing to say.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And my favorite part was she was like, oh, now
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I got to tell her what I said because shit.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Clearly, I know how this program works. With the cameras.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: These cameras.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Now I know that I need to get in front
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of it before you bitches go and tell Carmella, hey,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Heather said this about you. And look, in Heather's defense,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: it does look worse coming from someone else than you
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: telling it yourself.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So when Heather told Carmella, I thought, brava, right? I mean,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: what did you think about the whole thing?
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Are you talking about how it came out or when
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: she went to Carmella and said she was sorry?
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, let's start with how it came out first. Do
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: you agree that she knew, like, fuck? This is going
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to be a storyline.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Let's tie these two scenes in together because she was
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: shopping for sunglasses when she first heard about it. Then
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: they were all sitting around the table when Heather was like,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: and Tamara was there too. And Heather was like, well,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: now obviously I'm going to have to talk to her,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: but it stinks because like, I don't want to have
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: to have that name pinned on her.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: That sucks for her. But that was because she said
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: what she said. So then she's like, oh, I thought
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: that would stay, you know, private, but it didn't. So-
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: But you know what, Carlos?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I told her something in private that got released season 18.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't tell her. John told her something private.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: At season 18 that got used at the final scene
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: when we had filmed the reunion. And then they brought
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: cameras back up to then hear something that Heather had
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: disclosed that was private information given to her by John
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: and not hers to share. So, you know, she kind
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: of got a taste of her own medicine is all
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of like.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Let's not go any further on this because we've got
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: a few episodes before maybe we will go further.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: But all I'm going to say is, you know, she.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Kind of got a taste of her own medicine in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: this because she did say it off camera, hoping it
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: was in confidence, much like my husband did. And then
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: it was used against my husband out of confidence for
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: TV purposes to, you know, film that scene when they
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: picked back up.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I thought you knew more about this. I guess I've
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: never told you about this. I thought you knew.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: No, listen, you are a scholar.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: You are dumbfounded right now.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I am now reminded of that infamous pickup scene that
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: was after the season 18 reunion wrapped.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: And unbeknownst to you, your good.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Friends decided to film a scene because they were back
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in Shannon's happy camper of life. And I'm now remembering
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that Heather- It wasn't my friends.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: It was Heather that disclosed the information to production.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: So they opened back up filming and then filmed that scene.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: So she took private information that was not hers to share,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: that was given to her off camera on a private
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: conversation with John, myself, and her, and then used it
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: against us to film a pickup scene for the show.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: With information that was only supposed to be John's to
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: ever share with anyone if he ever wanted to. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: the information is true, but it didn't mean, oh, shoot,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I just spilled my soda. Didn't mean that it was
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: anyone else's to share. So I'm just, the only reason
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying this is that it ties back into this
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: season because she's kind of getting a taste of her
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: own medicine.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: You know, she gave information. Doesn't feel good, does it, Heather?
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Doesn't feel good when you've said something you thought was
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: in confidence and then it gets used against you.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: So, Hopefully it's a lesson learned that, you know, in
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: the future. I thought we, I really had confidence in her. Like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: like she was a confidant for us.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So anyway, carry on.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just relating it to this episode saying that it
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: came back around, you know, like.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: You listen, you are stating facts. You have proof based
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: on what we all saw. So yeah, and you're only
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: relating it back to the fact that her hand is
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: caught in the cookie jar because the ladies are calling
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: her out for saying something off camera that she is
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: now being aware they're talking about a camera. And look,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, unfortunately for you,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you weren't even there to get a heads up and
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you weren't even there to defend yourself.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I was a friend of, so I didn't get the,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to have a confessional to where I
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: could then, you know, have my piece to say about it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Plus they didn't show half of my confessionals. They were,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I was like the least confessionalized ever on season 18.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: It was like, they, they wanted me to have a
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: muzzle and then just use and abuse everything for the scenes.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: And it's like, okay. But so anyway, that's just some
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: back history on it, which, We might be able to
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: get further into in a few episodes. We'll see.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Can't wait. As my girl appears.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping not. I'm hoping not, but we'll see what
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: is aired.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: And you better believe raindrops. We're going to talk about it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: So Heather then takes Carmela's side and says, look, I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: got to tell you something.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I was talking about you behind your back.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I've used the word trashy because of me learning about About,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the arrest and all of this stuff. And
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I did say some things. And I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I prejudged you. And I hope you can forgive me.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: And look, Carmella's like, wow, that's hurtful to hear. But
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: in the end, Carmella appreciates the fact that Heather owned it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: And, you know, showed her remorse.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And look, I will say this. I tell my reality
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: stars this all the time. If you own the doo-doo
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that you dropped, the residue will not be as stank
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: as it is if you just like try to avoid it.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And the one thing I wanted to, I can't decide
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: whether or not it happened. And this is me being
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a producer. The moment Heather found out in the shopping
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: scene that the girls were talking about her calling Carmella
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: trashy and Heather said, I got to talk to her
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: about it. The producer in me felt, I wonder if
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: she called Carmella off camera, gave her a heads up.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, because you feel like when they met up at
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: the park, it wasn't, it wasn't an authentic reaction. Like
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: it was like, kind of like.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I think Heather is in so much. Yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I think Heather is in so much control. I have
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: been doing this for a very long time, Alexis. I know.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I know women who.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Have those tough conversations off camera. And then on camera,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: they have it because they know they have to do it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I'm 75% sure Heather told Carmela off camera.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Because you think that Carmela's reaction would have been more
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: if she hadn't told her, hadn't scared her.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: You think Carmela would have had more of her? And see,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think, first of all, I think
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Carmela handled it beautifully. Again, thumbs up for Carmela.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And like I said, she's just, she just wins me
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: over more and more every episode. But it's interesting because
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't read that. You could very well be true,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: but I didn't read that. I felt like Carmela was
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: just once again, like letting it roll off. Like, God,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: we're filming a TV show, but okay, I get that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: It did look kind of trashy that I had this
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: or done, but that's kind of a hard word to use.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just kind of felt Carmela's turning too.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: So I didn't read it like that, but you could
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: very well be true or right.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: You could very well be right.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, it's just, and again, it could be
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: my skepticism.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It could be whatever, but I think at the end
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of the day, whether or not it happened off camera first, Carmela.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Forgave her.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the only thing you can do
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: based on someone's apology. And look, I do feel like
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Heather did the right thing by owning it first. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I know, but we know that some women don't do that.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: So I'll give her that.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: But she was caught and it was on camera and
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: everybody talked about it. How would she have gotten out
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: of it if she hadn't owned it?
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Own it if it's not shown on camera. But the
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: fact that the other women called her out to her face,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: it's right there. So it's going to come out this season.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: At the reunion, if nothing else, it will be addressed.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: So she had to.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: You're right. You're right.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Because to your point, Alexa, and you're right.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: To your point.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: If the women had not told her that it was
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: said and it would not have been brought up on film,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Heather would never have owned it and would have never
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: said she said it, would have ignored the fact that
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: she said it.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: And you and I would have given her more respect
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: if she would have brought it up herself and said,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: before you find out something I said, before these ladies
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: bring it up on camera or at the reunion, I
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: want to tell you first, I called you trashy. Right.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: So that would have been the best way to handle it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: But to your point, she had to do that because
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was already on camera.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: So she had to own it. You're right. You're right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You're right. Thank you. You're right. Okay.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: No, you're right.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Tamara's activated because Vicky is defensive as the ladies approach
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: her to talk about her behavior and what's going on
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: between her and Mike. And Vicky is very defensive and
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: She is getting into it with Heather. She tells Heather,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: don't talk to me like that. Because Heather's trying to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: explain herself and her side of things. And she's like, look,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say I like Mike. I think Mike's
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: a great guy. And Vicky's like, oh my God, stop
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: talking about him.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: He's going to hate this. He's going to hate that
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: we're talking about him.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: And then Tamara is saying to her how she feels
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Then her and Tamara get into it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Walk me through your thoughts about all of that because
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you know these ladies. Tamara is your closest friend on
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: the show. Whose side are you on in this?
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: It's really hard because I mean, okay. The truth is
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: none of the guys really like to be a part
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: of the show. Like that's the truth of it. They
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: know it's not going to serve them well.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Except Ryan.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, well.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I even think he's kind of, I don't know. I
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: think he's kind of learned his lesson and taken a
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: step back too. I think, I think the men know
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that it's not going to serve you well. If you
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: try to have a role on this show, you just
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: need to sit back and be a wallflower. So I
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: don't think that, I don't think that Vicki's wrong for
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: just saying, let's not bring him up. The other side
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: to that is you're on a reality show. So anything
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: in your life and your personal life is going to
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: be on the show because you're, you have signed a
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: contract to bring your life to the forefront for national
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: television and for viewers to see. So at that, with
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: that said, She can't be so like, oh, my gosh,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: don't talk about it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, don't talk about him.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it's got to be more like she needs
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: to curb the conversations the way that she wants them
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: to go. And the bigger deal that she makes about things,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: the more the women are going to push. So all
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: she should have had to said is, I never saw
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: an engagement ring. And just kind of downplay it and
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: just kind of let it go. But the women are
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: going to bring it up because it's your boyfriend. And
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it does sound weird if you have an engagement ring
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: that's in the safe and you know about it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: If the engagement ring was in the.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Safe and no one knew about it, No big deal
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: because he's just trying to muster up the courage to
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: find the right time or put the perfect plan together.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: No big deal.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: The engagement ring could sit in the safe for six
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: months to a year, two years, who cares? It's the
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: guy's choice when to propose. It's the fact that everyone
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: knows about it. That's where the girls are coming into
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: the problem. And that's where I think he's coming into
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: the problem with the eyes being on him about that.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, Vicky needs to just, I feel
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: like she just own it more and be like, I
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: don't even know guys. He's got an engagement ring.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: He'll tell me when he wants to propose or whatever,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: and then we'll move forward with it. So I don't know.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Do you even think that they want to get engaged
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: after this episode? Yes.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: You do?
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I think, look, although Vicky said, look, I don't even
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: care to get engaged.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: It's not important to me. I think it is. I
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: think it is. I think, look, I think it's embarrassing.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I believe it. I do believe that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: That he dangled it?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. I believe it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: The thing is this, that is something you can't just
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: make up out of thin air. It's too specific to
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: make up that this guy has a ring. We already
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: know from Vicky that he bought a ring. So we
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: know that to be true. Vicky said it, so therefore
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: it's true.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: He has a ring.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Mike also was in a scene with her and acknowledged
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that he has a ring.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: So we already know that to be true, right?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: The fact that he has this ring and he hasn't
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: given it to her, I think you can't make up
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: out of thin air, well, he wants to wait 90
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: days and he's waiting to see how Vicky acts.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I think Vicky's behavior.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: This is where you and I may disagree. I think
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Vicky's behavior for sure is contingent upon whether or not
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: she gets this ring. And I do think, listen, what
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: happened between Vicky and Steve.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Her ex-fiance, I.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Think she's embarrassed by it because she paraded that relationship
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: on camera as she should have because that's her job.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: And I think she's trying to do things differently with
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Mike because she wants the ring and she wants the
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: happily ever after. And I do think Mike, unfortunately, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to sound sucky when I say this, but
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I think Mike sees Vicky's desperation and could be taken
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: advantage of it.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: And I have a totally different take. I would love
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: to see what the raindrops think about this. I feel like,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: first of all, I don't like if he really did
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: say I need her to go 90 days. So that's
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: three months. And she's only making it to two and
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: a half months or, you know, 70 days.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I would want to really know if that's true or not,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: because that really is kind of like a huge red flag.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: But also it's kind of like they've been together for
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: like five years now or more. So why are you
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: needing 90 days after five years? Like, like that would
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: be something you would need to kind of weigh in
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: the first year. Like, okay, can we make it three
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: months without a fight? Can we make it three months
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: without having some, you know, rubbing me wrong or something?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: It's just, all of it seems kind of really bizarre
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: I can't, I can't put my finger on it, but
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I can't make an educated statement on it because I
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: just don't even know if the 90, 70 is a
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: true statement that he made.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Like it just, and why would Vicky tolerate that?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I think she would tolerate it because I think in
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: her mind, she feels like she has no choice but to.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: It's either you tolerate it or you leave him.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: And I think she would rather tolerate it, Alexis, than
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: leave him. And then have to start over again.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And I think there's something to be said about starting
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: over again in your 60s.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Like, who wants to do that shit?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Well, they've got that.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Again, it sounds sucky, but.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: They've got the Golden Age Bachelorette out now, so she
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: could show on that.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Alexis.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think there's anything wrong with
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: starting over in your 60s. They're hot. Those women are
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: hot at 60.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not hot. I think, look, I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: think for Vicky, and again, I'm only basing this off
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: of what I've seen for 20 years.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I just think Vicky is. Look, first of all, kudos
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: to Vicky for finding men.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Vicky has not been single for a long time.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So look, kudos to you, Vicky.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Vicky has hot stuff. So good for her. She got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the juice, Tamara. Vicky must got the juice. She got
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the juice juice.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. She gets a man. Right? So I'll give her
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that much.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: I think she, she doesn't have a hard time getting
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: a guy, you know? Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: So, but maybe she doesn't want to start. Maybe she
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: really just does love him and is like, I just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: don't want to start over again. I don't want to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: lose him, but I don't know.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: The whole thing. There's just something off on it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: And maybe it is a TV show that gets in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: the way, you know, like a lot of relationships don't
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: make it because some people just can't handle the limelight
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: and the TV of it all.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: If I hadn't met John, how do I, you know, my,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: my fiance before him didn't love the limelight a ton.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Didn't want to really be on, you know, do a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: lot of, of, of things like red carpets and stuff.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: So I, I think, you know, it just, thank God
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: John had already had his feet in it for a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: little bit and can tolerate my life, you know?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And I think, I think Mike is just a regular
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: guy that is retired. He's enjoying his life as he
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: should and, And why add this to it? So again,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: but raindrops, let us know in the comments your thoughts
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: on it. What should Vicky do? Do you guys think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: she is being held with this engagement ring over her head?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Is that what's really happening to her? Or do you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: think these ladies are over-exaggerating what Mike could be doing?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And that hopefully, who knows, maybe Alexis... engagement or proposal
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that happened at the reunion.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: Or before.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Or before.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: I wonder if it would be out of the bag
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: if they had gotten engaged on the show. I would
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: love to see her get engaged on the show, actually.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: That's a good finale.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think we would have heard a little stir.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: We would have.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Someone would have heard something.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: No, we would have.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: We would have. But look, I am hoping that for Vicky.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: If that's what she wants, it happens for her. But raindrops,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: let us know. Okay? Alexis, install your solar system, sister.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Well, apparently Miles said he's not out there. So I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: don't know what the hell he just did.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: What is happening? I don't know.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: First, show up with that. That's my next phone call.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: As soon as we get off the... Okay. Well, look, Alexis,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: love you. Have a good weekend. And I will see
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: you in the next one, boo.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, bye.
• 1:03:57
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  Speaker 2: to subscribe to that too.