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This ghost hunting team can’t agree on anything! A podcast that doesn’t stop until a group of ghost hunters agree on something · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Coming up, people think there are clear -cut
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  answers in the paranormal. There are not. We're
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  gonna prove it right now. Welcome back to Paranormal
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  Lens. Uh, the, the, the, the, the, ba -ba -ba.
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  Welcome to Paranormal Lens! Today we have a really
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  fun - Please don't start it like that. Yeah,
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  yeah. That's how it started. So, buckle in. We're
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  on, we're, we're, um, fudge. We can't restart
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  it. We've tried to restart this like five times.
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  Now, here's the thing. At this point, we're just
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  going to keep going. No looking back. No restarting
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  again. All of these restarts and fumbles of the
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  intro have been all my fault. But that's because
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  we have a different type of episode today. Instead
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  of a singular topic where we either go down deep
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  dives and rabbit holes or just ramble and go
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  on tangents for an hour. Today. I thought it
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  would be fun because we were talking a lot on
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  recent episodes how it's a good thing, a great
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  thing that the three of us cannot agree on anything
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  and that there's so much nuance to all of our
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  paranormal opinions and beliefs. And we tried
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  like once or twice to do this thing where we
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  went around a circle and we asked a very simple
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  question and all I wanted was a yes or no answer
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  and no one could give it. Yeah. And this is like
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  basic paranormal stuff. You see a lot of paranormal
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  groups and teams they'll have on their websites
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  like definitions, key terms, our beliefs. We
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  can't do that because there isn't a single thing
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  I think that we universally agree on. And I'm
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  not just talking like weird woo -woo abstract.
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  I'm talking about like... definitions and key
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  terms well but the thing is we're also always
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  evolving and changing and our ideas topics definitions
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  are constantly changing and evolving which is
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  the most important like if you're gonna say something
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  is this one thing and this one thing only i mean
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  we're The paranormal field is a field of science
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  and science is about discovering and evolving.
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  So if you're not willing to evolve and change,
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  then you aren't good paranormal investigators.
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  No, no. And I think that that is the coolest
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  part of this podcast is having, you know, our
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  opinions on the record and dated. So that we
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  can see in the future, like, when we eventually
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  revisit topics. Like, oh, we thought this way
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  in 2025. Now in 2026. Whoa. There's even times
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  I'm, like, putting together the episodes or whatever.
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  And we backlog a little bit, but not by much.
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  Like, a couple weeks. And in a couple weeks'
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  time, I'm like, I disagree with what I said.
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  You know, like, my opinion changes. I agree.
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  I, yeah, I totally feel the other. And that's,
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  it's a good thing. This is an evolving field.
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  We are investigating and learning in real time.
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  We are not experts. There are no such thing as
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  paranormal experts. And I do believe that every
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  single topic has nuance and there is no topic
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  that has a simple. clear, cut and dry yes or
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  no answer when dealing with the paranormal. And
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  that is why we cannot succeed, the three of us,
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  in unifying a yes or no answer whenever we come
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  upon one on the podcast naturally. Now, that
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  brings me to the topic today. To keep it fair,
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  I did use ChatGPT to give me a list of 300 yes
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  or no questions that it thinks would be great
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  for a... AMA style, you know, an Ask Me Anything
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  style, you know, questionnaire for a ghost hunter.
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  Yeah, I briefly skimmed through a few just to
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  be like, make sure they're what I was wanting.
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  And that's it. Because I wanted to participate
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  in real time too. So I thought it'd be fun. We're
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  going to pretend like this is an AMA. Like, let's
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  pretend there's a... person a fourth person that's
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  asking us these questions and this episode doesn't
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  stop should we get an ai voice to read these
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  questions oh god no no this is the most this
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  is actually like the most ai um i even want to
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  use it's just yeah yeah so um yeah boo um hey
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  if we were more prepared we could have come up
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  come up with the questions Well, but I didn't
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  want any of us to, like, I didn't want it to
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  be swayed. Think about them preemptively. Yeah,
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  because I can think of questions that intentionally
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  stump you guys. I want it to be as, like, realistic.
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  In the moment as possible. That's fair. And,
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  like, imagine this is someone that comes up to
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  us at a convention or something. Like, oh, you're
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  ghost hunters? Blah, blah, blah. They'd expect
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  a team to be like, yes, no, we're going to stumble.
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  And this episode won't stop until... We agree
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  on something. Oh, boy. So this could go on for,
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  like, a while. Just watch the first one we're
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  all going to agree on. Episode over. If that
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  happens, we'll just have to keep going. We'll
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  have to keep going. There should be a rule. It
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  doesn't stop until we agree on something after,
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  like, the first three questions. Yeah. So the
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  first three will be, like, practice. And also,
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  they're just yes and no questions. We're not
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  elaborating at all. No, you're... No, no, we
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  should be elaborating, right? We'll discuss as
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  a group after. Okay. So this could go on for
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  a while. We'll discuss after briefly if we want
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  to, okay? But the only thing you're allowed to
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  answer initially is yes or no. No qualifiers,
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  Angela. No kinda yes. No maybe no. but that's
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  gonna be so hard that that's that's the point
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  people think that there are clear -cut answers
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  in the paranormal there are not we're gonna prove
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  it right now okay uh -huh i gotcha let's do this
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  sounds great first question the first question
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  is we're gonna start off with a doozy here get
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  ready after the intro Welcome to our podcast
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  where we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens. Okay, are you ready?
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  No. But yes, go for it. It is a yes or no question.
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  No qualified. No, I'm kidding. Disqualified.
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  Get out of here. Disqualified. All right. The
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  real first question is. Do you believe in ghosts?
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  Yes. Yes. No. Oh, my God. You know I don't. I
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  know. I know. Okay. The number one question we
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  get asked all the time. Whenever we say, oh,
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  I'm a paranormal investigator. The first thing
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  everyone asks is, oh, have you ever seen a ghost?
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  Have you ever seen a ghost? No. No. Maybe. No,
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  but that's not allowed. That's not allowed. No.
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  I would say yes. Yes? Yeah. I actually can't
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  answer yes to this because I don't believe in
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  ghosts. If I don't believe in ghosts, I've technically
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  never seen a ghost. So my answer is no. You're
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  driving Brianna insane, Ben. You're lame. Lame.
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  I feel like we made so much progress in like
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  seven years and all of a sudden the past year
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  you're like, no, I don't believe in ghosts. It's
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  like, hey, it took us so long to get you to say
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  yes and now you're saying no again. Whoa. Okay,
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  anyways. Here's why. I think I know why. Because
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  we're constantly evolving and changing. The answer
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  to this question is going to be my answer to
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  your question. Do you know what a ghost is? Or
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  in other words, are you able to define the term
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  ghost? No. No. Are you going to say no? Technically,
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  this is, you know, the third question, so this
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  is still part of the practice, but we did disagree.
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  None of us know what a ghost is. And that's why
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  I don't believe in ghosts, because what if we
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  don't have a definition? Yeah, because there's
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  so many definitions. A ghost is just anything
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  paranormal. But then you can go into the question
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  of what is paranormal. I think that term is too
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  loose. Because not everything that is paranormal
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  is a ghost. Yeah. But not every spirit, ghost,
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  or entity you come across can be defined or is
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  going to have a different definition. Like I
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  said, spirit, entity, demon. natural spirit.
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  All of these things are going to have different
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  definitions, so you can't just have one definition
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  for a ghost. Because we also don't know what
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  they are, so you can't have a solid definition.
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  Exactly. I wouldn't call residual energy a ghost.
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  But it is. It is a classification of a ghost.
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  Yes. Well, because I think a ghost has to...
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  Is it really a ghost? No, but... Okay, so you're
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  saying no. You're saying no, it's not a ghost.
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  No, but what is... a ghost? Because a ghost,
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  in my head, has to... has to be a human spirit.
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  Because it has to be... Essentially, a ghost
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  is... I disagree with that. Well, in my head,
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  a ghost is someone that was once alive, is now
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  still here on Earth, just without a body. And
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  they're able to communicate and interact with
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  the living. So, intelligence and once a human
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  are the two most important things to being a
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  ghost by definition. And I don't believe in intelligent
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  hauntings or that most energy or... whatever
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  we're engaging with is even human so so technically
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  you do have a definition definition for a ghost
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  so oh i guess i do okay so i'll so we don't agree
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  on the question so we don't agree okay we can
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  continue this episode um okay um we can make
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  amendments to while we talk about things so yeah
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  okay okay so we're back to square one as we go
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  Yes, back to square one, we don't agree on anything,
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  because I'm the one that proposed an accurate
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  definition, and I feel... An accurate definition?
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  For myself, for myself. Okay. Well, okay, here's
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  another curveball question. Should there be definitions,
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  objective definitions for these things in the
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  paranormal? No! I think, yes. I'm gonna say...
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  I'm gonna say... Well, actually, I don't have
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  an answer for that. No, no, no. You have to answer.
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  You're going against what you said. Okay. I'm
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  gonna say no, just because I haven't seen any
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  definition that actually had, like, actual studies
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  and, like, research done. Like, if you can show,
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  like... If you can actually show, like, we've
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  done trials or whatever. Can I just butt in and
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  say that you're, you're just, you didn't give
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  just your one word answer and you're continuing
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  with your explanation. You're going against the
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  rules. I'm guilty. I'm, you know. Yeah, you're
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  bad at this, Ben. The reason I say yes, though.
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  if we're going to actually discuss this one,
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  is because you should have some sort of a working
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  definition for different things, but that can
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  change. It doesn't need to be a solidified definition,
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  but there should be some sort of baseline to
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  know what you're working with. You know what
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  I mean? That's fair, but that means the definition
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  needs to be very loose. And that's the thing
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  is, I mean, we've kind of said that definitions
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  are always going to be changing. Yeah. Anyways.
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  I just, yeah, if you have a definition for something,
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  for paranormal specifically, it doesn't give
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  wiggle room. for anything to change. People are
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  going to see that and be like, oh, that's it,
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  and that's it only. That means it's like, oh,
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  then anything else that happens can't happen,
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  you know? I don't know if that makes sense. Alright,
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  are we ready for the next question? Yeah, my
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  next question goes back to kind of what we were
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  saying, is like, I'm not immune to not following
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  my own rules, so should I cut Angela some slack
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  moving forward? What are you talking about? About
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  me, like, not being able to say yes? Yeah, we
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  make fun of you a lot. Yes, yeah, you need to
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  cut Angela some slack. What do you think, Ang?
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  Up to you guys. Okay, I'll accept that one. Okay,
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  next question. Are Ouija boards dangerous? No.
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  You answer first, Ben. Okay, I'll rephrase that.
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  Is it safe to use a Ouija board? Yes. Still,
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  you answer first, because I'm still thinking
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  about it. Yes, it's safe for me to use a Ouija
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  board. Brianna, is it safe for you to use a Ouija
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  board? I'm going to say no, just because I wouldn't
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  use one. Sorry, that wasn't a one -word answer,
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  but... No, it's fine, because you knew the answer.
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  If you said yes, the follow -up would be, so
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  would you use a Ouija board? And you'd say no,
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  which would contradict. Do you believe in demons?
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  Yes. I can't answer! I can't! I need to elaborate!
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  Chat GPT. AI. AI. God. You're misplacing your
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  anger. No. No. Anger is towards you because you're
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  the ones to. You came up with the rules of only
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  yes and no questions. Well, what's your answer,
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  Ben? Oh, I was going to say, did Angela answer
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  already? No, she didn't answer. She hasn't answered
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  yet. I'm going to take that as a no. If you have
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  to wait this long, your answer is no. My theory
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  is if you believe in demons, you'd be really
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  quick to say yes, I believe in demons. That's
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  true. I'm going to say no then. I am going to
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  say yes. Okay. Now, I would love to elaborate
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  on this one. Yeah, sure. Since you're the outlier,
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  go ahead and elaborate. Here's the thing, though.
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  It's... The reason why I was so iffy is because
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  it goes back to the definition thing again. What
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  is the definition of a demon? And it's gonna
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  be different per person and what their beliefs
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  are. You know? It's just like... Because people
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  think anything, when they come across something
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  bad, they automatically believe, oh, it's a demon.
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  But what happens if it's something else that
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  doesn't classify as a demon that no one knows
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  about necessarily? My spin on that would be,
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  and the only reason I said yes is, yes, a demon
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  is inherently from a religious viewpoint and
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  from that perspective. to classify something
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  that someone doesn't know what it is demon gets
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  tossed around way too much but it's also a term
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  everyone knows so do i agree that 90 of what
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  people say are demons or demons no do i even
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  believe in demons from a religious viewpoint
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  no but the one out of a million real potentially
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  demonic quote -unquote case what someone defines
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  as a demon, they're probably just saying it's
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  a demon because that's the term they know. But
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  is it a demon, though? I believe... Like, is
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  it something else? Well, I believe in that level
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  of negativity that can exist in the world. Like,
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  what is someone's definition of a demon? Is that
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  just anything that's negative? Because some people
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  would define anything that's negative as a demon.
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  I disagree, but also I don't think there is a
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  definition for demon. I think it's just a term
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  people use because it's a term they know to define
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  just unfathomable evil. Like in a religious standpoint,
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  demon is something that is inhuman, negative,
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  and on this earth to cause harm. and um corruption
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  and not like necessarily corruption to the world
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  as a whole but corruption to a person and their
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  soul yes it's could there be something else other
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  than just a demon that has that same role you
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  know yes yeah exactly but that's my point is
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  i think in my opinion what someone says when
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  someone says that's a demon that's them using
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  their own religion or taught taught jargon to
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  define something that is not defined i don't
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  think we know what a demon is and they're incredibly
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  rare do i agree from the religious teachings
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  of no you know i wasn't taught that growing up
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  i don't come at it from a religious viewpoint
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  but i think i don't think people are wrong if
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  they use the words they know and were taught
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  and just kind of defining it through a religious
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  viewpoint because it's not something i think
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  is wrong with that i'm just saying it doesn't
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  necessarily mean it's a demon though that's why
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  i'm well i don't think demons are that yeah but
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  just the the point of like if they do exist or
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  not we're kind of well because i i think like
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  i said i don't think demon i don't think we know
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  what demons are i think there's just this unfathomable
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  you know this darkness and this evil that can
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  exist and is extremely rare but it can exist
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  and we can't comprehend that level of evil negativity
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  so we use these terms like demon to fill fill
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  fill it in kind of and define it that's a good
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  way of putting it kind of like god not not like
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  demons aren't god but like kind of like how like
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  people use like a a person motif like god is
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  like this guy you know yeah like is he really
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  a guy it's more of a presence and i don't think
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  you know demons are just like these entities
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  that you know resemble a body i think is just
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  kind of something in the air fair i get what
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  you mean i get what you mean okay i think we
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  should move on to the next question then kind
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  of a Yeah. Talk about that for a hot minute.
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  This is a good one. Are children more sensitive
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  to spirits? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I haven't seen evidence
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  of that. I'm going to say no. Oh, God. I've seen
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  so much evidence of that. So write a book. Go
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  write a book. No, I don't want to. Publish your
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  evidence. I don't want to write no book. I got
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  so many other things I would rather do than write
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  a book. Okay. Have you ever regretted a paranormal
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  investigation? That's a hard one. We've done
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  hundreds. I'm going to say yes. I'm going to
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  say no. I don't think I've... I'm also going
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  to say no. I'm going to say no, too. I had a
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  realization. No. My answer is yes. Which one?
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  Only one. Only one. Which one? Well, when we
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  were students at MSU, we were part of the Paranormal
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  Club. Especially in the beginning, we didn't
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  vet who wanted to come investigate with us. There
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  were hundreds of people in this club. There was
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  this one guy that came on one of the very early
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  investigations. He never investigated with us
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  before or since. And this was at the site of
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  a fire that killed, you know, a bunch of people.
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  And he came and he was just making jokes the
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  whole time. And I was cringing. I was like, this
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  is not good. This guy shouldn't be here. He shouldn't
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  even be in the club. This is not cool. And then
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  I did publish a video. And then, like, I couldn't
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  edit him out completely. But then like a couple
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  days later, I did remove that video. And that
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  was the only video or episode of the show that
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  I did pull. You know, that's not the mindset
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  I was going to go. I thought it was going to
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  be like regret something because of. Like an
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  investigation causing blah, blah in our lives
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  or whatever. No, I just regretted going there
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  and doing the investigation because that person
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  was being very disrespectful. Do you have the
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  same answer, Angela? Yeah, I'm going to still
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  say no. Okay. I think I'd still say no, too.
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  Because it's everything you got to take as a
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  lesson, you know? And if Ben never had that experience
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  with that one guy, then he would never know to
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  be careful with the people you bring on investigations
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  with us. It took me seven more years to realize
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  that. I'm just saying, you take it as a lesson,
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  and you shouldn't take lessons as a regret. That's
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  why I said no. even if it may have caused issues
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  at the moment or afterwards it's still like a
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  lesson you shouldn't regret it because you learned
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  something out of it if that makes sense i still
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  think i would if i was at that investigation
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  i probably would have regretted it too though
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  yeah it's just not a what was he saying like
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  not good stuff yeah i'm not You gotta be respectful.
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  Not appropriate stuff for being at the location
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  of a horrible, terrible tragedy. Yeah. On that
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  note, here's a fun question. Is provocation ever
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  justified? No. No, what do you mean by that word
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  exactly? Like, provoking ghosts. Okay. Being
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  hostile. Provoking type fans. Okay. Like, kind
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  of bullying or, you know, kind of agitating a
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  ghost a little bit to get to an elusive response.
• 26:12
  No. No, I've always said that. Oh, God, this
• 26:19
  is so hard. It's the difference between knowing
• 26:25
  what's what, right? And what I want. So I don't
• 26:31
  know how to answer. I do believe there's a lot
• 26:34
  of middle ground nuance here. Is it ever justified?
• 26:40
  I say yes. But because if you know you're talking
• 26:45
  to a serial killer, not everyone deserves empathy
• 26:49
  in the real world. You know what I mean? That's
• 26:51
  actually my thought. But yes, yes, you do not
• 26:56
  use it as a first, second, third, fourth, fifth,
• 27:00
  even sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, you
• 27:03
  know, tool in your toolbox. Angela never said
• 27:06
  yes or no. Oh, well, be quicker, Angela. I keep
• 27:09
  forgetting you don't answer. Be the tiebreaker.
• 27:14
  I feel bad for saying yes. But do you agree that,
• 27:19
  like... It should be used in rare circumstances
• 27:22
  where you know the spirit and you know they're
• 27:25
  a piece of shit. Yeah, but I mean, it's still
• 27:31
  like their afterlife. Maybe something changed
• 27:33
  or it switched to them right when they died and
• 27:36
  maybe they're good in the afterlife. That's true.
• 27:42
  I don't know. Okay, next question. Has a ghost...
• 27:49
  ever followed you home. And I know if you guys
• 27:54
  are lying. I'm going to say no. I'm not going
• 28:03
  to elaborate. No. No. Okay. Well, my answer is
• 28:09
  yes. And I agree with one of you on that. Moving
• 28:13
  on. Um, do you believe some locations are portals?
• 28:29
  Yeah. I don't know, like, like, what's portal?
• 28:38
  What is portal? Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing
• 28:43
  yes and no. I'm going to say yes, but I would
• 28:46
  like to elaborate afterwards. all right i'm gonna
• 28:49
  say no and not just because i like being a contrarian
• 28:52
  so the reason why i say yes and i'm not meaning
• 28:55
  like people say like oh this room's a portal
• 28:58
  that closet's a portal this room is the port
• 29:01
  it's a portal i'm not meaning like that i'm making
• 29:04
  i may be thinking of it as like a portal as it's
• 29:08
  a place where like spirits or entities can can
• 29:14
  come to us easier at and the reason why i think
• 29:17
  that might be why they are able to come to us
• 29:21
  easier is because of all the people that come
• 29:25
  in and out of certain locations specifically
• 29:27
  looking and inviting the other side to communicate
• 29:31
  with them that's what makes it portal i don't
• 29:35
  know yeah i don't i don't believe in like oh
• 29:39
  this this closet's a portal or this room's a
• 29:41
  portal or i don't believe in that stuff yeah
• 29:43
  my thought is is that because i mean i don't
• 29:47
  know if there's a really a definition for portal
• 29:49
  either for talking about definitions um but i
• 29:54
  don't i believe that yes locations can have portals
• 29:59
  i don't know that a location is a portal and
• 30:03
  i don't know that those location those portals
• 30:06
  are continually open like i believe that there's
• 30:10
  a thinning in the veil if you may call it in
• 30:15
  certain locations and certain places. And at
• 30:19
  some point that weakens and allows things to
• 30:22
  come back and forth. And I think there are locations
• 30:25
  that have that potential and do have that happen.
• 30:31
  I mean, I feel like we have experienced that
• 30:33
  in a couple of different locations. Yeah, 100%.
• 30:36
  So I'm saying yes, because I... believe there
• 30:42
  are locations that have the potential to have
• 30:46
  that thinning for a portal to come through but
• 30:49
  not necessarily that they are a portal all the
• 30:52
  time yeah i kind of just view portals as a as
• 30:56
  a an area where they're able to come through
• 31:01
  easier like i'm not thinking of like i feel like
• 31:06
  when the people think of a portal i'm thinking
• 31:08
  of like like a black hole that they will step
• 31:13
  through and come to the other side which i don't
• 31:15
  know if that's how people view it or not but
• 31:17
  that's not what i think that's why i'm like oh
• 31:19
  that that room's a portal no it's not yeah yeah
• 31:23
  because i remember the one specific location
• 31:25
  that i'm thinking of is um what what was it called
• 31:30
  that cemetery up in the up mission hill cemetery
• 31:33
  yeah because we had that experience where we
• 31:36
  were walking through the cemetery and then all
• 31:37
  of a sudden we got that feeling like Or I got
• 31:40
  that feeling that, oh my god, there's something
• 31:42
  right in front of us. And it just felt like there
• 31:45
  was just this wave of energy. Yes, I remember
• 31:47
  what you're talking about. And all of a sudden
• 31:48
  it felt like we could see these things passing
• 31:52
  back and forth. We were like, oh my god, we just
• 31:54
  saw someone walking. Or, oh my god, there's something
• 31:56
  over there. And then all of a sudden it was just,
• 31:58
  boop, gone. And it didn't happen again. It's
• 32:02
  like that felt like an instance of when a potential
• 32:06
  portal opened. But it was only for like... three
• 32:10
  minutes. Yeah, yeah, I remember what you're talking
• 32:12
  about. So, yeah, good question, good question.
• 32:17
  Well, tied to that question, do you believe hauntings
• 32:21
  are either bound to, or, you know, dare I say
• 32:27
  stuck, or closely associated with certain locations,
• 32:30
  or are they not tethered? This isn't a yes or
• 32:33
  no question, so. No, no, no, yes or no, are spirits
• 32:37
  tethered? To a singular location. Oh. I don't
• 32:43
  know. I generally like. I don't know. I don't
• 32:49
  even know. I want to say my answer. But I also
• 32:51
  want to further explain. So I'm going to say
• 32:55
  yes. And I'll wait. Until everyone else answers
• 33:01
  too. No. okay angela's gotta you next next question
• 33:09
  angela has to answer first i'm gonna say no okay
• 33:13
  i say yes because i think there are spirits or
• 33:18
  entities that can be tethered to a location or
• 33:21
  an object but they aren't the only kind of energy
• 33:27
  entities or spirits like there there are multiple
• 33:30
  different kinds and that's why we're like we
• 33:32
  can't define a ghost entity whatever because
• 33:36
  yes they can be tethered but there's some that
• 33:38
  aren't so there you go okay that makes sense
• 33:45
  i didn't like that question i was i didn't really
• 33:48
  i don't know what do you want from me sorry to
• 33:53
  a locate i don't know i'm just saying like i
• 33:56
  don't care if they're tethered to a location
• 33:57
  or not and then i don't know also going off of
• 34:00
  that if you consider residual entities or residual
• 34:05
  hauntings as ghosts, those are technically tethered
• 34:09
  to the location. That's so true! Yeah. Here's
• 34:14
  another question. Actually, I don't know. Do
• 34:18
  I agree with that or not? You're actually breaking
• 34:23
  my brain a little bit there. That's actually
• 34:27
  a great question. But what I was going to ask
• 34:31
  next is... Does activity stop if a location is
• 34:38
  demolished or no longer existing on the land?
• 34:43
  Oh, that's a good question. I would also beg
• 34:51
  to say no. I think... spirits or entities can
• 34:55
  one be tied to the house or something and in
• 35:00
  that situation if the house is gone demolished
• 35:03
  burned whatever i think that could release the
• 35:05
  spirit but if the spirit or entity is tied to
• 35:09
  the land then no because there's no way to demolish
• 35:13
  or cleanse or maybe you could cleanse the land
• 35:15
  but there's no way to demolish it and remove
• 35:17
  it well what do you make of your statement about
• 35:21
  the residual energy if if so residual energy
• 35:25
  is residual energy like if you put another house
• 35:28
  in that location like that's not like i think
• 35:31
  of residual energy as it's energy not not a soul
• 35:35
  yeah yeah but that is that is there like you're
• 35:39
  not gonna get rid of residual energy if you think
• 35:43
  that like the door opening by itself like as
• 35:46
  a claim is because The residual energy of people
• 35:49
  opening and closing and not like an active spirit
• 35:51
  there. And then the house is demolished and a
• 35:54
  new one is built. Does that residual energy stay
• 35:57
  or transfer to the new house? Yeah. You think
• 36:02
  so? Yeah. I'm, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I
• 36:08
  don't know. If you think, if you think about.
• 36:11
  So my, my fun thing that I like to think about
• 36:14
  with residual hauntings is like. If someone's
• 36:20
  seeing a full apparition walking through a door
• 36:24
  or walking through a wall that a door used to
• 36:27
  be there, they're going to continue to walk through
• 36:30
  that wall even if the door's gone. So if you
• 36:33
  take away a house and you put a new house on
• 36:37
  top of where it used to be, it's still going
• 36:39
  to do that same action. So if there's a door
• 36:41
  there, they're going to open and close that door
• 36:43
  just as they used to. But what happens to the
• 36:47
  residual energy is, like, within the air and
• 36:52
  not the actual, like, object or whatever, you
• 36:56
  know? The energy of, like, opening the door could,
• 37:00
  like... that residual energy could still be there
• 37:03
  but without the door so it's still stuck there
• 37:06
  so you could still hear the sounds or the creaks
• 37:09
  of that door opening and closing oh yeah that's
• 37:12
  true that's true that's going beyond traditional
• 37:14
  like stone tape theory though where it like absorbs
• 37:17
  into an object or like the wood and it's more
• 37:21
  i i do like that i do like that i like reason
• 37:26
  i i like i like the idea of residual hauntings.
• 37:29
  They itch a certain part of my brain. Yeah. I
• 37:34
  just feel like it's some sort of science that
• 37:38
  hasn't been discovered yet. Okay. Continuing.
• 37:42
  Next question. This is fun. Does Bella have a
• 37:50
  soul? Bella, if you're listening to this. For
• 37:59
  anyone that's unaware, this is a inside joke.
• 38:03
  If you need to follow us on TikTok, we go live
• 38:06
  now. And this came up on a recent TikTok live.
• 38:10
  So if you know, you know. But does Bella have
• 38:13
  a soul? If Bella's listening, yes, I believe
• 38:18
  you have a soul. Yes, I believe you have a soul.
• 38:22
  I actually don't know who Bella is. You have
• 38:25
  to answer yes or no, Ben. Well, there's no proof
• 38:28
  Bella's even a human being. Her profile picture
• 38:31
  is just a pentagram. It's a pentagram. So no,
• 38:34
  pentagrams don't have souls. No. No. The answer
• 38:36
  is no. She does not have a soul. All right. Next
• 38:41
  question. Do you think if you just ignore a haunting,
• 38:46
  it goes away? Yeah. No. I say yeah. The power
• 38:54
  of intent. Yeah, exactly. If you're not putting
• 38:57
  energy into it, it's not going to have energy
• 38:59
  to put out. But... Unless it's residual. I think
• 39:04
  a haunting or whatever will always have some
• 39:07
  sort of energy to it. But us, we give it more
• 39:11
  energy to pop out more. Doesn't mean it's not
• 39:13
  there still. True. Can randomness convincingly
• 39:18
  imitate intelligence indefinitely? Interesting.
• 39:25
  Yes. So can you just forever and ever and ever
• 39:31
  have an interaction with pure randomness and
• 39:37
  just perceive it as... What's randomness, though?
• 39:40
  Like, okay, so think of, like, an obvious here.
• 39:44
  That's what I'm thinking of. Like, a random word
• 39:45
  generator, and people perceive that as an intelligent
• 39:49
  interaction with a spirit. And it's just random
• 39:52
  words. Like, can you have forever an interaction
• 39:56
  that feels intelligent with a random word generator?
• 40:00
  No, I still want to say yes. Ooh, this is a good
• 40:05
  one. Can people be haunted? Yes. Yes. I will
• 40:10
  also say yes. Oh, I think we all agree. That's
• 40:18
  a question that we all agree on. Can people be
• 40:21
  haunted? Didn't see that coming. No, I didn't
• 40:31
  either. I mean, like, if objects can be haunted,
• 40:36
  if houses can be haunted, if places can be haunted,
• 40:41
  people can be haunted too. Yeah. I mean... Would
• 40:49
  you consider a person being haunted a form of
• 40:52
  possession? Oh, I didn't even see it from that
• 40:56
  angle. Yeah, yeah. Spirits possess people, haunt
• 41:01
  people all the time. Yeah. I mean, attachments.
• 41:07
  We know that's a thing. That's technically a
• 41:09
  person being haunted. We know that's a thing?
• 41:12
  From lived experience? Because I'm the only one
• 41:14
  that's had an attachment or something following
• 41:16
  me home, allegedly. We know it's a thing. We've
• 41:20
  heard of it happening. Bonus round. Do hauntings
• 41:25
  have intent? Or do we assign that intent? Oh.
• 41:33
  So, I guess, because that's not a yes or no,
• 41:36
  even AI trips up, I guess. Do hauntings have
• 41:39
  intent, yes or no? I don't like that. No. NeNe.
• 41:56
  Not always. Yeah, I'm gonna say no. I want...
• 42:05
  I've been doing so good. Um... I'm gonna say
• 42:14
  no as well. But they sometimes can. And they
• 42:20
  do a lot of the time. But a lot of the time they
• 42:23
  don't. Okay. So the two questions. It took us
• 42:29
  a long time to agree on something. And the two
• 42:31
  things we agree on as a group are humans can
• 42:35
  be haunted and ghosts don't have intent. Usually.
• 42:40
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• 42:49
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• 43:01
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