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Patriots Unfiltered 4/28: Draft Recap & Takeaways, Roster Updates, Reports on Undrafted Free Agent Signings · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be here for the
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  Speaker 1: next two hours, at least at.
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  Speaker 3: I just looked at their hour lads depth chart as
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  Speaker 3: work for hour.
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  Speaker 1: I want to score, Yeah, well, I want to move
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  Speaker 1: the ball and score.
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  Speaker 4: Mike, how do you score?
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  Speaker 5: Throw the ball? Throw a score, run to win?
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  Speaker 6: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: More finely a score.
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  Speaker 7: When we talk about yakis, what we're going to get
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  Speaker 7: it right?
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  Speaker 1: To add fuel to the fire.
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  Speaker 7: According to Catholic's x account, starting five left to right
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  Speaker 7: will be low move Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Wilson, and Kaka Evan.
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  Speaker 4: It's about to go.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have known when the draft was until
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  Speaker 1: that to college. That's too busy.
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  Speaker 8: Playing sports to watch the draft.
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  Speaker 5: The Draft.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 7: It is Tuesday here at ji Let's Stadium, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 7: it's the Tuesday after the draft.
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  Speaker 1: The draft is in the rearview mirror but we're here to.
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  Speaker 7: Talk about it. Give some thoughts. You know, now that
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots have completed the draft, have they done their
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  Speaker 7: street free agency yet?
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  Speaker 5: We have a bunch of reported students free agents.
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  Speaker 7: Go over some of those reports. Yeah, nothing, okay, So
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  Speaker 7: we'll talk about those. We'll talk about who they drafted,
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  Speaker 7: who's your favorite, who do you think will be the
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  Speaker 7: first to make an impact? All of that, your calls,
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  Speaker 7: your emails in the next two hours. Here and Patriots
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  Speaker 7: haven filtered. It's Mike, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me.
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  Speaker 7: It's in the booth. So I hear that they're giggling.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's him grimacing from back pain.
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  Speaker 1: Heah, yeah, just carrying us all the weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he's a marine.
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  Speaker 10: He fought in Afghanistan, so he's a he's got a
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  Speaker 10: lot of degenerators.
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  Speaker 11: I haven't told you yet, Fred, I need back surgery.
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  Speaker 11: I'm going on Friday to see the nervous surgeon. Really,
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  Speaker 11: I have two discs touching each other and they're pinching nerves.
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  Speaker 11: They got to put a balloon in between the discs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man. They got to make them compact discs.
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  Speaker 11: I'll only be out for a week. You've inspired me
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  Speaker 11: to come in don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you come in on like a stretcher.
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  Speaker 5: And track reaching over work on the board.
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  Speaker 7: All right, So any lingering thoughts over the from over
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  Speaker 7: the weekend into.
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  Speaker 10: It, I just say, this is my favorite part of
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  Speaker 10: the draft when you're just like, you know, you guys
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  Speaker 10: make fun of me for my nerd my nerd depth
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  Speaker 10: chart that I keep that admittedly is Evan can see.
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  Speaker 10: And uh no, I just love nothing more than lining
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  Speaker 10: those guys up, plugging them in. You know, even the
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  Speaker 10: UDFA is plugging them in. And then it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 10: this is pretty much the roster. You know, maybe one
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  Speaker 10: or two editions down the road, but it's just good
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  Speaker 10: to finally get past the team building point and really
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  Speaker 10: start to think about OTAs and vacations and then training camp.
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  Speaker 5: It's coming quick.
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  Speaker 7: So as the roster stands right now, do you feel
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  Speaker 7: that there's any area of the team where you'd say
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  Speaker 7: they can't go into the season like this?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. I don't.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, even me, Yeah, I always have a small seat
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  Speaker 8: concern right right, I don't only have one.
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  Speaker 10: I think they need players to develop that's you know,
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  Speaker 10: I think the big piece that often gets left behind.
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  Speaker 10: You look at a team's offseason and you say, who
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  Speaker 10: did they add, and that's solely how much they improved.
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  Speaker 10: Then to an extent, that is true, you need to
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  Speaker 10: add pieces at holes. But you know, to me, I
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  Speaker 10: just keep going back to Drake may your two in
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  Speaker 10: the system.
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  Speaker 5: What's that look like?
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  Speaker 10: You know, how does he make his strides and can
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  Speaker 10: he you know, continue to put the offense in position,
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  Speaker 10: and of course the offensive line is a big piece
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  Speaker 10: of that. So it is all connected, as we talked
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  Speaker 10: about on draft weekend.
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  Speaker 5: But I think I think they're in pretty good shape.
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  Speaker 10: I think they've put the pieces in place to continue
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  Speaker 10: to build the foundation to build this team long term,
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  Speaker 10: which is what you know, we all want. We want
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  Speaker 10: them to be drafting, not for immediate need, but for
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  Speaker 10: you know, to continue to stock and have guys that
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  Speaker 10: are going to contribute over the next four or five years,
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  Speaker 10: not just here in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 5: So it does require little patients. I think. I just
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  Speaker 5: think sometimes it's a gotcha of like, well how much
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  Speaker 5: better are they?
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  Speaker 10: And it's like, well, you got to get there to
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  Speaker 10: that point where you're you know, not always chasing your
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  Speaker 10: needs in the draft. You're building for the future and
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  Speaker 10: building and have a foundation. So we'll see a lot
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  Speaker 10: of these guys have to develop. Will Campbell has to develop,
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  Speaker 10: Jared Wilson has to develop. You know, maybe some guys
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  Speaker 10: that we're surprised about. That's what gets me excited is
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  Speaker 10: when somebody maybe comes out of the woodwork that you
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  Speaker 10: weren't expecting.
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  Speaker 7: In any country, there's a lot of questions, but I
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  Speaker 7: think we know where the answers will come from.
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  Speaker 1: If guys develop.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, if they don't develop, okay, well now you're back
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  Speaker 7: to square one in some areas. But they've got what
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  Speaker 7: they think are the answers to questions.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it's you know, look, some guys are
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  Speaker 10: going to drop off too. You know that's and that
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  Speaker 10: you have to have enough improvement offset.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some like linebacker off ball linebacker, like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how much stock you're putting in.
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  Speaker 12: Six round pick.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much you're counting on him to
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  Speaker 3: contribute on defense right away. So you know, behind Robert Spolane,
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  Speaker 3: how do you feel if he's not there and deduce
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  Speaker 3: his point about attrition and things like that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's getting older and he's position that doesn't have a
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  Speaker 3: ton of shelf life usually. But other than that, and
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  Speaker 3: then of course you know, getting this a J. Brown
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  Speaker 3: deal across the finish line, that's.
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  Speaker 7: That's a big one. That sort of my thinking going
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  Speaker 7: into the season, is a J. Brown is going to
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  Speaker 7: be on the team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's how we're all operating.
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  Speaker 3: As long as that is.
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  Speaker 10: A little red space in there in the death chart
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  Speaker 10: I have just and it's not in bold, it's got
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  Speaker 10: a question mark, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's yeah, I think he's gonna play the xduced.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to put a Brown to commit.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If as long as that is happening, then you feel
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  Speaker 3: really good about where they're at. I mean there's some
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  Speaker 3: depth concerns always, you know, i'd say linebacker, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: little bit int your offensive line. They didn't draft a guard,
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  Speaker 3: which surprised me a little bit. Interior defensive line and
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  Speaker 3: you know, get a nose tackle, the true Tonga replacement.
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  Speaker 12: But there are some guys out there.
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  Speaker 3: I was looking at it yesterday just and what is
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  Speaker 3: left in free agency that this time of year teams
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  Speaker 3: might say, Okay, we didn't get this done in the draft,
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  Speaker 3: you know, can do they go out and sign a
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  Speaker 3: Matt Mulano, Bobby Wagner one more season swan song type
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  Speaker 3: of thing, do they you know, see value.
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  Speaker 7: And as we know, guys become available. Yeah, the guys
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  Speaker 7: who want available now become available later throughout the.
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  Speaker 3: Summer, certainly in August, in the you know, around roster cutdowns,
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  Speaker 3: there'll be another wave of.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of nose tackles out there too.
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  Speaker 10: That's like, I feel like a position that I mean,
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  Speaker 10: it's happened a lot over the years. Carl Davis is
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  Speaker 10: a guy who came in a few years ago, and
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  Speaker 10: you know, you need a two down run stuff for
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  Speaker 10: There's a bunch of guys in their early thirties out
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  Speaker 10: there that have played a lot of snaps that I
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  Speaker 10: just wonder the differences, and I think you look across
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  Speaker 10: the league, every team has a position. Well, well, if
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  Speaker 10: you lost this one guy, you don't have much. But
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  Speaker 10: I mean, you're not going to have a backup that
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  Speaker 10: you're feel great about behind everybody.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I wonder, if you know.
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  Speaker 10: Would they make a move like that before or would
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  Speaker 10: you kind of wait to see if somebody got hurt
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  Speaker 10: and then all right, we got to go to the
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  Speaker 10: street to get you know, somebody.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's I feel exactly the way Mike and
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  Speaker 8: Evan do. In terms of where the roster is right now.
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  Speaker 8: That doesn't mean I think they're loaded across the board.
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  Speaker 8: I think that they have answers and probably more. I
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  Speaker 8: think they have fewer question marks in terms of starters
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  Speaker 8: than they did last year. I think we kind of
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  Speaker 8: know who's going to play. You know, last year at
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  Speaker 8: this time, we didn't know Jared Wilson was going to
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  Speaker 8: start at left guard.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we thought it was a chance.
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  Speaker 8: But I think that you kind of have pieces in play,
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  Speaker 8: you know where guys are going to slot. But the
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  Speaker 8: big thing that Mike and Evan talked about, I think
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  Speaker 8: is the valid thing is which of these young guys
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  Speaker 8: doesn't progress the way you hope and then in turn.
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  Speaker 4: What kind of problems does that create?
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  Speaker 8: Because there is you know, again, I think the roster
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  Speaker 8: is in a much better spot than it was a
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  Speaker 8: year and a half ago when this all started.
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  Speaker 4: But the depth isn't where you want it yet either.
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  Speaker 8: So if like Tevion Henderson and Jared Wilson, you know,
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  Speaker 8: just does two guys off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 8: two young guys you know, they don't take a year
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  Speaker 8: or two jump or you know, show any more promise.
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  Speaker 8: Then does that affect trickle down? You know, does that
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  Speaker 8: affect the offensive line? You know, where do you go
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  Speaker 8: for center?
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  Speaker 3: That's why I pointed that interior offensive line because right
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  Speaker 3: now Ben Brown is a good top backup. But if
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  Speaker 3: he's forced to start, you know, what's the layer of
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  Speaker 3: depth behind Ben Brown? You know, if the Barrik Tucker
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  Speaker 3: goes down, if Wilson or one who goes down, and
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  Speaker 3: now he's a starter for a long period of time,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is it is it Kyden Wallace? Is it
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  Speaker 3: one of the Andre maka Larler?
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  Speaker 12: Who?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like, who who's that next?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 12: You know?
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  Speaker 3: They kind of hinted, you know, vaguely at you know,
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  Speaker 3: law Moup potentially playing guard if need be, not his
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  Speaker 3: long term position, but if they needed him to kick
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  Speaker 3: inside as a backup, they might be able to do
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  Speaker 3: that with Yeah, I mean, like I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: chance that he you know, plays a little bit at
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  Speaker 3: all four spots, you know, not center.
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  Speaker 10: But yeah, I think Paul, you hit on something good
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  Speaker 10: that I was what I was starting to think of
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  Speaker 10: that last year we said, you know, they haven't they're
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  Speaker 10: not have depth like that was the big question.
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  Speaker 5: Has their depth improved?
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  Speaker 10: You know, is it better this year? And how much better?
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  Speaker 10: Some spots marginally, maybe other spots not so much. But
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  Speaker 10: that's that to me again goes back to my original
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  Speaker 10: point of is this team building, that foundation that when
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  Speaker 10: you do have somebody.
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  Speaker 8: And one of the questions you know, we we were asked,
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  Speaker 8: you know for our newsletter this week, is do you
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  Speaker 8: do you feel like the roster has improved? I think
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  Speaker 8: some an element of that, and I do think you
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  Speaker 8: can look at you can definitely answer yes. I mean
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  Speaker 8: I don't think you can say that it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 4: You can't. I think that's the only option that's not
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  Speaker 4: on the table.
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  Speaker 8: It's either very similar or gotten better a little bit.
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  Speaker 8: But I would look at things like that. So the
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  Speaker 8: safety situation last year at this time was you know,
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  Speaker 8: Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers, right, and then all of
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  Speaker 8: a sudden it turned into Craig Woodson, a rookie fourth
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  Speaker 8: round pick, and Jalen Hawkins. So that's a big difference.
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  Speaker 8: It worked out, they played well. I think Woodson got
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  Speaker 8: better and better as the year went on. So now
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  Speaker 8: you have Woodson with Kevin Byrd, who I don't think
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  Speaker 8: anybody would argue isn't a better player than Jalen Hawkins.
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  Speaker 8: But what is he at thirty three or whatever he's
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  Speaker 8: going to be, you know, at the start of the year.
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  Speaker 8: And does he stay healthy the way he's been, He's
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  Speaker 8: been an absolute machine. He's never missing, he never misses games,
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  Speaker 8: So you have to hope that that kind of stays
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  Speaker 8: stay that way. I'm just looking and I have like
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  Speaker 8: some of nic stuff. Yeah, he's missed like one game
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  Speaker 8: in ten years. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And how durable he doesn't miss many snaps period, like
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  Speaker 3: even within the games.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, very durable player.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good stuff. One one question I have is earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the season.
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  Speaker 7: They lost Gibson last year, so they were down to
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  Speaker 7: two running backs, one a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: How do you think this jam Miller.
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  Speaker 7: Can be the third guy and and see time right
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  Speaker 7: away or will he be one of those running backs
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  Speaker 7: that get red shirted.
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  Speaker 10: Or I think it's a good call out right, I
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  Speaker 10: think they'll have a chance to I'm going to write
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  Speaker 10: his profile. So I have watched a little bit more
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  Speaker 10: of him. You know, he's had a cad a couple
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  Speaker 10: of good games last year.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you need three running back.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I just I don't know if he's a kick
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  Speaker 10: returner too. And that's almost like I feel like the
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  Speaker 10: third running back, you'd love him. I think they'd love
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  Speaker 10: him to be a kick returner. I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 10: that's going to be.
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  Speaker 3: I think you might have it because to me, he's
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  Speaker 3: like got more build up speed than he does.
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  Speaker 12: Like instant acceleration.
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  Speaker 3: So when I watched him, that was just my takeaway
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  Speaker 3: is Okay, once he gets moving, he's got four to
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  Speaker 3: four to two speed, which the same as Trevon Henderson.
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  Speaker 3: Like he he can run at a pretty good pace,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not exactly like instant to that in terms
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  Speaker 3: of his acceleration. So on a kickoff, you have this
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  Speaker 3: whole you know, kind of runway to build up to
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  Speaker 3: that speed.
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  Speaker 12: He's got size, He's.
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  Speaker 3: Got some girth to him, Like he's pretty sturdy, So
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  Speaker 3: you know, the concerns with him were.
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  Speaker 4: A lack of burst.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he doesn't have that initial burst to kind
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  Speaker 3: of get the edge or get up into the second
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  Speaker 3: level and third level of the defense. Maybe some vision
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  Speaker 3: between the tackles concerns past pro like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: young running backs the UDFA that they signed Montgomery reportedly,
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  Speaker 3: at least there's some people that think he's better than
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  Speaker 3: jam Miller. So I've seen a couple of people on
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  Speaker 3: the X that have said that the better they got,
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  Speaker 3: the better running back as a UDF.
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  Speaker 8: Alabama was a weird team last year. They couldn't run
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  Speaker 8: the ball. Yeah, and that was a problem all year.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of people used that. They used that as
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  Speaker 8: a defensive Ty Simpson, you know, like too much of
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  Speaker 8: the burden was on him, and then once he got
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  Speaker 8: banged up a little bit, they had no running game
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  Speaker 8: to fall back on. And you know, Jim Miller, I believe,
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  Speaker 8: was like a three yards per carry kind of guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah for Alabama, which.
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  Speaker 8: You know, they have a first round tackle that got
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  Speaker 8: just got taken in Proctor, So you would think that
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  Speaker 8: they would be one of those teams that they can
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  Speaker 8: always run the ball.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a weird, weird year for them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets some Knox for his vision between the
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  Speaker 3: tackles and a couple of games that I watched of
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  Speaker 3: his I was like, I'm not that much place to go, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, especially against some of the better teams like
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  Speaker 3: Georgia and stuff like that. I was like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: there's not there really aren't a whole lot of space
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  Speaker 3: out here for him to go. But I think that
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  Speaker 3: he's got some of that build up speed or that
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  Speaker 3: you know, once he gets up to a top speedy,
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  Speaker 3: he carries it pretty well that maybe he could be
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  Speaker 3: a kickoff returning. He covered kicks a lot early in
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  Speaker 3: his career at Alabama as an underclassman, he covered a
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  Speaker 3: lot of kicks too, So you know you've heard some
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe a little bit smaller but a little
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  Speaker 3: bit faster like Brandon Bolden type vibes with him, that
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  Speaker 3: he can be a pretty big special teams contributor and
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  Speaker 3: then maybe like a you know, emergency running back.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the number on the roster right now?
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  Speaker 4: In eighty seven.
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  Speaker 7: Eighty seven and more, some of the people reported that
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  Speaker 7: they signed off the street.
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  Speaker 8: Sure I can are recounting them or no, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 8: counting counting the UDFs there at eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: So they got another six holes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so you know.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Where did you come up with three's.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Ination is a IPP player, So they technically have eighty
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: eight bodies, but they have owned eighty seven county against
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: the roster Germany or something.
• 15:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Lawrence Mattz, Yeah, he came in late last year.
• 15:08
  Speaker 10: But they did, you know Devan's point about the guard position.
• 15:10
  Speaker 10: They did sign or have reportedly signed two guards, Jacob
• 15:14
  Speaker 10: Rizzy and John Darius Morgan. They also sign a tight
• 15:19
  Speaker 10: end Tanner Arkin, and four wide receivers Jimmy Kibble, Cameron Dorner,
• 15:23
  Speaker 10: Kyle Dixon, nick to Gennaro one running back Miles Montgomery.
• 15:27
  Speaker 10: That Evan mentioned defense a little bit lighter on the
• 15:30
  Speaker 10: undrafted guys David Blay up front, and I watched a
• 15:32
  Speaker 10: little today and then cornerbacks Channing Canada and Kenneth Harris.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Uh so a little you know, the West wide receivers
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: a little bit intriguing to me.
• 15:40
  Speaker 10: I mean they got shoot, they got a bunch of
• 15:42
  Speaker 10: wide receivers right now. I mean they got ten ten, eleven,
• 15:45
  Speaker 10: I mean eleven. I think we're not counting a potential
• 15:47
  Speaker 10: a J.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: Brown move.
• 15:49
  Speaker 10: You know, I was just interested in how those guys
• 15:51
  Speaker 10: kind of differentiate themselves one, you know, Degennaro looks just
• 15:56
  Speaker 10: like your favorite Paul, those like scrappy Scrappy's receive.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: It's Josh. But the one, the one, Bobby, I love you,
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: please fall in love with something different.
• 16:06
  Speaker 10: The one that was kind of interested in was Tanner
• 16:09
  Speaker 10: Arkan though from Illinois, who is six three and a
• 16:11
  Speaker 10: half too. Uh and you know ran a four Uh no, sorry,
• 16:15
  Speaker 10: that's the sorry, that's the tight end.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: We were going to say four eight eight.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: I was like, waite, wrong guy, I wrong guy, I
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: wrong guy.
• 16:22
  Speaker 10: Know it's Dixon below him. So it's Dixon culver stock
• 16:24
  Speaker 10: and really small school kid. But six two uh for
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: uh six two four you know, I mean six two
• 16:29
  Speaker 10: and a half two twenty you know ran a four
• 16:31
  Speaker 10: five one. He's a big contested receiver kind of guy.
• 16:34
  Speaker 10: So it's just, you know, an interesting kind of complement
• 16:37
  Speaker 10: to this group. Of course, you know John Giles unfortunately
• 16:39
  Speaker 10: for Paul got got got the the let go yesterday
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: as they as they brought guys in. But yeah, we'll
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: see beach.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Out for any of those. I mean, there's four wide receiver.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Do you make anything of that?
• 16:50
  Speaker 12: Though?
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: Does that sound like a big number to me? I
• 16:51
  Speaker 10: feel like I've been doing this long enough that I
• 16:53
  Speaker 10: should have a sense.
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: Yes, twelve at camp ten or so, yeah, right, yeah,
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: you need those guys to run around.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that they didn't They didn't draft one,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: so Elliot Wolf said that, you know, they'll be active
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: in the ud F A market at wide receiver because
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: they decided not to draft one. So they threw some
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: darts in the ud fas Dorner. I think it is interesting.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll see. You know, he's got a little
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: bit more. He's not fully Paul's you know.
• 17:23
  Speaker 12: What you hate. I was trying.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: To the right terminology for that. He's got, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: some ability, you know, Montgomery, the running back. I've heard
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: some good things about as somebody that people thought was
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: going to get drafted.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: Larson still in the picture is got my hair cuts
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: barbera cuts.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: This air If you would like to buy real estate
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: on land Larison Island, it's available beachfront property. So you
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: can't you can't have you can't have the product earlier
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: if you on like you know, there's there's access right
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: off the ferry.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: Airbnb maybe, but if you have a J Brown with
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: Romeo Dobs and then let's say Mac Collins God bless
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: you and Larrison, but I'm trying to go, like, so
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: that's three. Yeah, then you get into the Mario Douglas,
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: Kasha on Booty Ft and Chisholm and I we're up
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: to six and Kyle Williams is seven. Okay, now fully
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: anticipating somebody goes, you know, not get cut, but someone
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: goes like in a trade or something like Booty has
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: been rumored, you know, throughout this whole off season. Just
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: those guys, in my my view are probably camp bodies.
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: I don't see I don't see an avenue for any
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: of them to be more than a practice squad option.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: I think the running back that Fred brought up number
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: two running backs, the running back has a chance all
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: the day. Three we just recorded a kind of a
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: draft rap uh, and that's just you know, there's no
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: pick in the fourth round, so it's just an easy
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: dividing line between the top three guys. And then you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: as Evan put it, kind of the special team shots.
• 19:09
  Speaker 10: But of all those special teams potential guys, I do
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: think the running back is one spot where you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: maybe maybe somebody could immerse. There's also just a lot
• 19:17
  Speaker 10: of bodies at cornerback. You know, can any of those guys,
• 19:20
  Speaker 10: you know, Chucky Trees might be back and maybe he
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: resumes that role that he had last year. But is
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: there any other Marcello style Kobe minor Prunty from this year,
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: any of those guys Kendill.
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: Vildor that I say to say, you nailed that one.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: He's got some NFL experience, you know, kind of like
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: a Charles Woods.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: But yeah, I watched Prunty.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I I kind of think that he's also here to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: play special teams. To be honest, me too, but I
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: actually saw him as maybe somebody that could play a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: little safety if they wanted to develop.
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: Him on defense.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: But Ryan Cowden made it sound like they're going to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: start him at corner.
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: I just thought that he was a little bit wrong corner.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: But he's got some length, he's got some size, he's
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: got some long speed, and he's actually a really good blitzer.
• 20:06
  Speaker 12: Like that was probably the one thing.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: You know, blitzing off the short side of the field
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: that I was like, Okay, that that's got some closing speed,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you know, some aggressiveness or in the blitz some timing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So that was probably not exactly what you want to
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: hear is that your corner is best going forward.
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: So you know, that was probably the thing that stood
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: out to me.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: But that was like a safety.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a safety and also sounds like a guy
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: that'd be pretty good on special teams, right if he
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: can kind of do the coast space.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: And I just think Marcella's dial like, you know, a
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: little bit bigger rangy, versatile, versatility to play both corner
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: and maybe you know, on special teams. That's sort of
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: kind of I'm thinking of in my mind. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: that's what they're envisioning.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: He had some issues a thing, you know, just like
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: double moves, like he'd bite on it every time a
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: corner back would hit him with a pump and a stutter.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It would just me bite on it. You know, things
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: like that that he needs to clean up. But he's
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: got some raw measurables that are intriguing, especially on special teams.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So we'll see, but you know, they probably need I'm
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: assuming that they're looking at Charles Woods as a guy
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that's going to be the fourth cornerback if all goes well, yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: and then the fifth guy if there's six. Those guys
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: are going to be ninety percent of any snaps they
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: get are going to be on special teams.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So at the.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Cornerback room though, I like, I don't really have any concerns.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Like I know some people are crazy about the depth
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: at corner. I mean, when you have Christian Zalez, Carlton Davis,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and Marcus Jones, you feel pretty good about the quarterback.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: To me, it would only be in Carlton Davis's durability.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Christian Zalez is too a little bit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: That's a good point. Good point, Mike a little bit.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: We don't talk.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I like to be a little bit more positive.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, somebody is going to be injured in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: training camp.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah you know, yeah, it happens.
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: No, But I mean Mike is right. Gonzalez has missed
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: time in all of his seasons. You know, people forget
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: last year because it was early in the year and
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: then he was just like there the rest of the way.
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: But first three they went one and two and I
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: don't know, boom my hamstring.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: That's not time.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: They lost two of them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Wow, easy tailor one don't thrown? Oh you just get that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: Don't be mean.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I love you, Taylor, I actually really do. I've gone
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: to really really like you.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: All right, what what else do we need to put
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on the table?
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: Just probably that we'll see all these guys next week,
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: woroking in the camps next week, you know, Lomo.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I think we'll come in on Thursday.
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: I think all of them are coming Thursday.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Seven, the day they all committed.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: We'll have access to the first round guy out in
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: the field like they usually do up the jersey.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Would be interesting to see, like working mini camp. Just
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I guess act rare dian, but like you going to
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: be evaluating the trenches.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: Right like so I want to see what he looks
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: on the field, how he moves.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Famous Morton in connection.
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: Well, at least they do have a quarterback they drafted.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's not no offense to Ben Woolridge, but it's not
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Ben Woolridge.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: There was another one who is that kid? And he struggled.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I just remember Ben Woolridge, like would take like
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the snap behind the play, you'd like go through the
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: motions of like play and everybody is like god all
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: crazy about it, and I was like, what a heart
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: go stand on the sideline with everybody else.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Dude, all right, Ah, that reminds me of what he used.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: To do the play is Sad Depress the movie.
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: Yes, I think Drake is gonna play quarterback, probably form Drake.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's got to spot. I think he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: probably gonna make the roster.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: You're gonna pencil that in.
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Yeah, Milton will probably be the three technique.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: You know, you know, as we've talked about, as everyone knows,
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: that's the key to this year is what kind of
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: progress could he make?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Drake.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the offense, right, I mean that's the NFL.
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: Now.
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: You need an offense, you need a quarterback who knows
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: what he's doing. And I guess I'm just so much
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: more interested in it situationally, just because what happened in
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: the super Bowl. And I'm really the playoffs, because you
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: were so high on Drake May during the season and
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: he's the MVP runner up and you know, let's face it,
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: after the performance and the playoffs and the schedule and
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: all that stuff, like he's you know, kind of gotten
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: denigrated for his performance last year. And you know that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: if you had asked me that in mid November of like, well,
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: you know, the offseason, people are going to kind of
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: be like, well we don't know, Drake. I just I
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: want to see him get back to the level he
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: was at and get that confidence back, and just you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: see what he looks like as he really starts to
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: settle in to this system.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: That we talk so much about puts on the quarterback, and.
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: You know, how much does the experience help in this situation.
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: We heard all the time about Brady and Josh having
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: this shorthand of like remember this game from seventeen years ago,
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: you know, like this is what they were doing, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: this is what we did.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: We have to do something similar.
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: So you get to watch Drake slowly accumulate that experience
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: and hopefully he's really able to become that chess master
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: this year and put himself and the offense consistently into
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: position to make plays.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how to win.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: You know, to like last year was laying a foundation
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: of what like their base concepts are going to be. Offensively,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: they might have a little bit more fun in freedom
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: this year to expand on different things that maybe Josh
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: didn't major in in the past, that he can like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: moving pockets and bootlegs and things like that that might
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more conducive to Drake's playing style
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that weren't conducive to Brady or whoever he had. So
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's exciting because you know they have four
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: athletes now you know, obviously Loan was probably not gonna
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: play right away, but at least three of those guys
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: are gonna are really highly athletic blockers that are gonna start.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And if Lomu does get playing time and he's a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: super athletic too, So like I don't necessarily want those
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: guys like in a gap scheme where they're trying to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: like go downhill on people like you would want them
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to be more using their finesse and using their speed
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: and using their ability to block in space.
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: A little bit more.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Then you know, we're gonna run power and we're gonna
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: block down and we're gonna pull the guard and the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: full back's gonna come in. Like you know, that might
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: not be one hundred percent what's best for the personnel,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: So we'll see how that goes. I mean maybe we're
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: two years away from that because the Loan was not
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: gonna play right away, but once he gets in, like
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: that's four FIFCI or offensive line that are all elite
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: athletes and not necessarily like class eaters. Like, so, how
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: do you kind of figure that out as well?
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Will they be offense that reacts to the defense or
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: dictates what happens?
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: Well, I think they have versatility within their personnel right now.
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: That I mean, they have a good tight end room
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: that I think covers the bases pretty well. They've got
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: a you know, real full back. Now, they got good
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: size quickness in the receiver room. I mean if you
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: had aj Brown. So I think that they're going to
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: be able to do, you know, what they want to
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: Evan's point, I'm curious how Mike Rabel said he challenged
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: the offensive coaching staff or I guess the whole coaching
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: staff to come back with, you know, creative ways to evolve.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: How does that manifest itself? You know, do we see
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: those things? You know, obviously not anytime soon, but you
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: know in training camp.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: What else do they have?
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: I just I think that they're getting more of their
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: guys in place to be able to do the kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: of things that we know Josh McDaniels like to do
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: during his time here, to do business as business is
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: being done. What needs to happen this week to beat
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: this Seattle defense? Or this Kansas City Defense or you
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: know this remade Buffalo Defense.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm really interested to see how they how
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: they do it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: You know, a year after working with Drake, what new
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: things does he feel like? You know, things that I
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: thought last year before I worked with him.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think or they've been reinforced, you know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: I just that's that's what's exciting. I year two, year
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: two with Drake and Josh.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You think that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: They'll take that Super Bowl and go over it again
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: and and say, Okay, here's what we should have done.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Oh I don't know, And they already were a lot
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: of them said they watched on the plane ride.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: And buried it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, like I thought we were talking specifically with Drake,
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: and I do think that Josh, mostly with Drake, would
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: would look at some of that stuff they used.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: To Belichick days maybe months later when they come for
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the spring. You'd have all the low lights and they
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl and he has all the he
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: has it queued up for all the plays they missed
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and didn't make. So I would expect that they would.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I mean I think that you kind of have to
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: because it's a copycat league, and like if teams watched
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl tape, especially teams that they're going to
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: play early on in the season next year, before they
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: start to declare who this team is going to be, Like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you're gonna see the Nickel pressure. You're gonna see you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the different things that Seattle did, and you're gonna have
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to have answers to it. I'm sure that's what every
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: team's going to try to replicate against him.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I think they have to do that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: I think I don't think they can bury that game.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: I think they have to use that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Especially when you got to play Seattle and say.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: If we had done this, we might have had a
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: different outcome.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I was just thinking kind of a hypothetical.
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: It's like, say Drake went out against the Chargers in
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: the first round and it was like thirty eight thirty
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: five and they fell just short. Here they got upset
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: in the first round, but Drake threw five touchdowns and
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: just look lights out. They just couldn't get that, like
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: stop that last field goal. How much different would you
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: feel right now? Like you know what I mean, Like
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: he got to the Super Bowl, but I almost feel
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: like you would maybe feel in and not right or wrong,
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: just you probably would be even more excited about Drake
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: even if he hadn't won those other two playoff games,
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: if he had just had a great gone out on
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: a high note like he most of the season. I
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: know there were a lot of factors with that, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: I just think we sometimes lose sight of the fact
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: that the kid went to the Super Bowl. I know
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: it wasn't pretty, you know, getting there, and there are
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: certainly challenges that he had to go through, and I
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: think that experience will help him a lot.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: But I also think.
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: Like if we just ended that season and he had
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: gone out and kind of finished it like he did
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: and we didn't want to, like, you probably would be
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: even more excited. And I think that's the level of
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: excitement that that you should have right now for him
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: coming into this year. Be excited, well, you know what
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, Like, like, I think it's tempered a little
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: bit based on you know, and maybe just because.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: Of the how could we be tempered when we have
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: you exactly, Paul, And that's why I'm.
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: You know what I mean, Like coming out of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: Super Bowl, it's like like, think about the Drake may
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: hype training in mid November when he's you know, MVP,
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: Like literally we're arguing for him to be the MVP
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: of the league, versus those three playoff games where, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: especially the last two where it just you know, he
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: didn't really do much and the offense didn't too much.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Should we be at all concerned about the shoulder not anymore? No,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think you're always concerned about quarterbacks getting hurt,
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: and I'm.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: Not concerned about any of this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not concerned about the shoulder at all.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think if he if it was something significant,
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: he would have had surgery on it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I think, like it's not.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Like we shoulder separation.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think it's anything that would linger into
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: the season. I have mild concern about some of the
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: stuff that Mike talked about in terms of how much
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: was the drop off in the playoffs related to just
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: competition and how much of it was related to hard
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: to parse it. Those defenses were really good, yep, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: and you don't face a lot of defenses that that
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: are that good. So I expect him to bounce right
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: back and be where he was, if not better, that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: you know, Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I just think the playoffs, but I just think the
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: playoffs in general, in all sports, they are kind of
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a different animal. Like that was his first taste of
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: playoff football, and the fact is that because they got
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: breaks and the defense and this and that, they ended
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: up winning anyways in spite of it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: But like justin Herbert still trying to do it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Well, let me say say, last way.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: So like if they had played Buffalo in the playoffs
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: and they lost thirty eight thirty five, I wouldn't have
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: a similar kind of you know, but if they had
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: lost the Buffalo in the playoffs, say, you know, six
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: twenty eight to sixteen, I'd be like, hmm, that's a
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: drop off. You know, like they didn't move the ball
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: and score as many points against Buffalo as they did,
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: say six weeks earlier, when they lost that game here
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: in Foxborough.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Same defense.
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the playoffs, But now I would have different concerns.
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: I look at it as the Chargers, the Texans, the Broncos,
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: and the Seahawks. I don't think you see that caliber
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: of defense every week. You could make an argument those
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: are the best four defenses in football last year. You know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: maybe the Patriots would have been in there as the
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: top five that might be the top five defenses in football.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think you see that every week. Yeah, now,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: but again I don't know for sure. Was it just
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: about the op.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying in terms of the like, because
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: you're not going to see that every single week.
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: So yeah, maybe once they get.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Back to the playoffs, we might have the same questions,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: but they're not going to have to face the Seattle defense.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: But I want to I.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Want an offense that, you know, you don't win every
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: time you play the better defenses, but you have answers
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: for the better defense. Like the Red Stocks when they
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: play the other team's best pitchers, they can't hit, you know.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: So I want to I want to, you know, have
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: success against the better defenses. Not all the time, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think in sports in general, like most
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: of the time, the superstar athlete has failures before you
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: find success. And Drake may maybe kind of like stumbled
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: into some sick success in the playoffs by the defense
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: carrying them and all that kind of stuff, But most
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of the time, you don't have Tom Brady who comes
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in and you're one.
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: Of the starter wins the Super Bowl yours.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Usually you get knocked down, you get knocked down, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: then eventually you break through.
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: I mean, Justin Herbert and Josh Allen are still trying
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: to do it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: You know, they're eight years into this thing and they
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: still haven't done it. Yeah, So I feel like that
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: was his first real taste of it. In all of them,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: like Will Campbell too, you know, that was their first
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: real taste of Yep. When it goes up a level, yep.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: Their hope is that they get more tastes. That's not
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: a guarantee. Yeah, all right. Eight five five Pats five
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: the email address Brandon writes in.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: He's from Vegas.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: By way of Lexington, writing to get your thoughts in
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: grades on the rest of the AFC East draft classes.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: There seems to be a general consensus that the Patriots
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: went about par for course, landing a solid B in
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: pretty much every article I've read. I give him a
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: B B plus, right, sure what you guys gave him?
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it sounds about right.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That said.
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: Opinions on the other three AFC teams seem to be
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: all over the place. I've seen grades ranging from A
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: plus all the way down to C minus for each
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: of them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: What do you guys think I have not seen anything
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: other than a's for the Jets.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: The other two I would say were not as well
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: received Buffalo in Miami. But the Jets by all accounts.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I mean very well. They also had had a first
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: round pick. Yeah right, I mean.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: That's all these grades like when you're picking, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: thirty first in each round versus picking where the Jets
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: were picking, Like, it's obviously indicative of that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: The Bills one, I think is a little controversial, you.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Know, t J.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Parker, Uh, you know, kind of similar player to Acus,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: not exactly the same, similar kind of player. You know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: they didn't draft a receiver until they drafted Skyler Bell
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: in the fourth round, and maybe should have gone a
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: little bit higher. But you know, I'm kind of on
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the fence about that one too. But I'm a greater
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: when it comes.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: To I was a little surprised they waited as long
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: for skill guys, just you know, and then the receiver
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: is more of kind of what they already had.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think it was a bad draft
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: per se.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: But I think I've seen some different opinions on Buffalo.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: In Miami, I think the Jets did well. Now again,
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: it hasn't been their problem. You have that capital. I mean,
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: you're right, it hasn't been it's the other stuff. But
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: you have that capital. You should come away with some
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: good players that should be able to help your team
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: right away. You three first round picks, I would expect
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: those guys to play.
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: I think on Buffalo it felt a lot of motivated
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: by changing their defense and you know, needing to get
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: some new different pieces and know exactly how that's.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Training up for the Ohio state corner. I thought was
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to try and pronounce his name. I
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: thought that was kind of weird.
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I got Bills fans mad at me about Skylar Bells.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I should probably stop talking.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: I also thought it was all like, didn't they have
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: a lot of trade downs early again, which is und
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: which is what they did last year too. Like I
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: think they need talent. I think they need an infusion
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: of talent. They're not as they're not as skilled as
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: they've been in the Josh Allen era, and I think
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: much like Kansas City, i'd say the same thing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: About the Chiefs.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think they did enough to sort of
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: help that that talent efficiency.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Scholar Bell is I just think an interesting player
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: for them, Like I can see when I watched him,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I did see like they did the Bills fans all
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: think he's the next Stefon Diggs, right, they see a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: similar player. You could make that case, like there's shades
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: of that in his game. But to me, like Cleo
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Shakira is a is a pure slot receiver. That's a
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: guy that's lining up in the slot, you know, the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: vast majority of the time. I think Schylar Bell can
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: play off the ball a little bit and move around
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit more than a guy like Shakir can.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: But he's not he's you know, five to eleven. You
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: know he's in He's got some press coverage and physicality concerns,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: plus the level of competition. Like, I just didn't see
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: a guy that that was going to be that was
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: going to be really an outside the numbers receiver. Now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: maybe that's DJ Moore in there for them, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: don't have to be, but like it feels to me
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: like they kind of zoned in on like the separators
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: like they want you know, speed and separation, and they're
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: sacrificing a little bit of size and like physicality and
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just it's just interesting to me because
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way about Kansas City, and I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: think it's like the the cautionary tale of the late
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Brady Patriots of neither of Kansas City or Josh Allen.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: They both have elite quarterbacks who are in their prime,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: and the Super Bowl window is fred you know, might
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: not disagree, but mostly open already. But it feels like
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: they're kind of they're punting on trying to get the weapons,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's one of those things.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, Joe Burrow is lucky.
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: He's got you know, really good too to start with
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: at least, but you know, are they are they doing
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: a disservice to their quarterbacks at this point? And you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: did we learn something from how it went with Brady?
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: Where and some of it look, you're trying, you're just
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: picking the wrong guys. So it's but doesn't really even
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: seem like they're trying to invest that capital to get them.
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: If you told me when they when you and I
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: had our original argument on Buffalo with DJ Moore. If
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: you had told me that DJ Moore was going to
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: emerge from the entirety of the off season as the
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: best receiver, I wouldn't have fought back, probably as much
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: as I did. I'm surprised that that they're content that
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: that's okay, we got him, you know, and Shakir is
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: our number one receiver in terms of volume. But I
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: like Khalil Shakira a lot. He's not that guy. He's
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: not like a number one receiver. He's yeah, he's not
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: dictating what the other team's got to do.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: The night before.
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: I think the Patriots showed you that they can make
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: him sort of an afterthought pretty easily. Doesn't mean he's
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: not a good play. He still catches passes and makes
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: some plays, but he's not capital T capital G that guy.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and how much can you lean into James Cook?
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, he was outstanding last year, but you know
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: it's we know running backs have a shelf life, and.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: There's no not many Derek Henry's that do what every year?
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: Right, and he's and he's smaller than him, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: so I we'll see.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not looking I'm not arguing that the Bill.
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: She was doing a great bills, but I would worry
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: that they're going to be I'm not.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: As familiar with what exactly did they well.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: So they drafted Kid and Proctor in the first round,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: which I wasn't crazy about, but that and I thought
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the rest of their picks were really really good. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: got drafted uh, Jacob b. Rodriguez. They drafted somebody else
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: on day two. I'm biking on Chris Johnson. It was
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: actually a late first round or cornerback from Uh. Yeah,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: he's a good player. I thought they did really really well.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: The Procter pick was a little bit which makes sense.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: You get a new coach and half league defense or
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: oriented take a couple of you know, guys that should
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: be able to start.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Right away from you. And the receiver they took too
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: was Johnson.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I don't even some people had him like outside of
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: like the top twenty five receivers in the draft and
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: they drafted him in the third round.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Douglas, Yeah, that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 12: One was a little bit weird.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: But I just swing on Chris Bell, who we talked about.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of like I like that one.
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: I mean I don't I like more from I don't
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: like to more for a better team than Miami who
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: can afford to. You know, he might be able to
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: play this year, but if he can't, it doesn't hurt
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: like the Patriots or the Bills or someone like that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: But you know, Miami meets him.
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: They just had their roster tour down besides a chance.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: So I mean three linebackers though interesting too.
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: You know Jacob Arriguez that Ev mentioned, but you know
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: Traymore and Kyle Lewis in the fourth round. Yeah, talk
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: about the Patriots not picking a fourth in the fourth round,
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: like that was the price they might have paid to
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: have to trade up to get Lomu and to get Ocus.
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: Was that we lost the fourth We lost our fourth
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: round picks and that's where the linebackers really went. Maybe
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: that was a sacrifice that unfortunately happened.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, trade Moore is kind of like a hybrid, like
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you can play on or off the line of scrimmage.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Lewis is a nickel slash say little like kind of
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: different too. And then Rodriguez Mike, you know, he's going
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: to be a classic Mike.
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: I know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: With the Bills, I wonder Casey Concepcion went a couple
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: of picks ahead of them, and they traded out of
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the round.
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: So I wonder if.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Then they then they went and had and drafted Skyler Bell,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: who's kind of like discount Casey concept. So I kind
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: of wonder if maybe they were hoping that Casey C
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: was going to fall to them, and then when he didn't,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: they got it a dodge. Because I thought they were
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: going to take a receiver at the top of Day.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: Two, thought they would be taking an early receiver, whether
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: it be the first or second round.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: I thought for sure they would add one.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: But I just wonder if maybe once they got to
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: that point, it was kind of like Denzel Boston, it
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't there wasn't that separator that they seemed to be
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: gravitating towards.
• 42:34
  Speaker 12: So maybe they just set our guys in here.
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: The another team I want to bring up is just
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: the Browns, who I heard a lot of people praising.
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: I mean, of all the guys we talked about this
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: whole process, I feel like the Browns just have like
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: a bunch of the guys you know that we took.
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: We know they got lot a long way to go,
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: but they got conceptcy on. They've got Boston Fan the
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: other the other quarterbacks, ten quarterbacks. They got Daylen Green too,
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: you know, Joe Royer who's big, tough tight end, Justin
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: Jefferson the linebacker, and Austin Barber who who we both
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: really like. We talked about him a lot of tackle.
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: Luca maybe move around. So I don't know. I mean
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: the Browns, they've had talent before.
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: And never work out draft exercises. Fred And this is
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: not directed at YouTube. It could be if you wanted to. Yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: guys tend to love drafts that are filled with players
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: that they love.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, because they're familiar, you.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: Know what I mean.
• 43:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, have an eye for this.
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: You know, I I loved him, you know, I would
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: have thought he made a lot of sense for the
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: Patriots in round two. And you know, then someone takes
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: him and they automatically had a good draft, right, they
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: took a guy.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: But this feeds into the uh.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: Guys have noticed, there's like a debate on social.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Media about talk about this.
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, it's like the media consensus big board
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: is not the same as the team's consensus.
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: Big teams don't have consensus.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Different but so there's been like study is just a
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: cliff notes version of this. There's a media consensus board
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: that takes all of the Daniel Jeremiahs and the Dame
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Bruglers and the Melkipers, and they put evan all of
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: those boards into one consensus board to get a general
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: idea of where the media sees all these guys. And
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: then the league obviously all thirty two teams have a
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: different board because there's different they have different parameters, different schemes,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: different whatever, so they have all different boards. And so
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the league people are pushing back on the media people saying, well,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: we can't just do a blanket consensus because we have
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: different you know, each team has different you know, archetypes
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: of molds of players that we're looking for, so it
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't work that way. But then the media is pushing
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: back and saying, well, if we look at the different
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: ways we can evaluate players, just in terms of you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: analytics and stuff like that, we actually can see that
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: the media consensus board, especially in the top one hundred,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: actually does better than the league. Now, once you get
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: out of the top one hundred the first three rounds,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the league does well, much much better. But that's because
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: they have all the information and all the time that
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: you know, the media doesn't have on Day three. So
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the media does at least as good as the league
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: in the top half of the draft. So there's a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: lot of back and forth right now on the value
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: of consensus boards and does it actually matter because all
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: these grades that you come out of the draft are
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: mostly based off of what you thought about the players
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: before the draft. So if you're gonna give a team
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: an A because they drafted on consensus, but then you're
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: gonna give a team an F because they reach, Like
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the Niners are getting killed for drafting guys well above
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: where everybody had them projected. But you know, who knows,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: maybe they're going to be right and Stribbling is going
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: to be a star, and you know everybody was too
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: low on them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: Well, it would kind of make sense to me that
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: the media consensus board would do better, you know, because
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: the like you said, the team one is so specific.
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: So one of the things that I saw about this
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: was some pushback, and I forget who it was. It
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: may have been Joe Banner, one of those types like
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: an x GM not still in the league, pushing back
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: that like sort of the consensus board doesn't exist, Like
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: teams don't, right, you know, teams have their consensus boards,
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: but they don't look at like there's not a consensus
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: board that like, you know, John Lynch is looking at
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: and saying, yeah, I know that this guy is seventy
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: on the consensus.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Board, but we have him at twenty and we're going
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: to take him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: This guy, I think it was Joe Banner, who was
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: former of the Browns Eagles. He's been around. He claimed
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: that that really doesn't exist. And then there was some
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: data that showed the teams that reach the furthest as
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: Evan was explaining, from the consensus board are the ones
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: that ultimately do the worst in the draft. And it's
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: kind of been proven over the last handful of years
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: when you do that, when you take a consensus board,
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: that's it's strict numbers, it's not opinion, right, it's there's
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: a consensus board that has this guy at seventy five
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: and you took him at thirty. So like that's forty
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: five spots difference. Like that's a big gap. Yeah, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: do you then go from that and then say, Okay,
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: that guy ends up not working out that's what happens
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: when you reach that much. And that was sort of
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: the takeaway that I was reading, and I was really
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: interested in it because it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Was good back and forth.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the interesting good pettiness by the x
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: NFL guys, good you know, good defensiveness by the event
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: types that were backing up the media.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I think the part about it too that the media
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: is the argument the media is trying to make on
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: top of just the evaluation part is you know, how
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: you're using your resources, Like so if the consensus is
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: that this player is actually going to go at one
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: twenty five, but you took him at thirty five, well
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: could you have had that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 12: Player and another player at thirty five?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Which is always my argument with Bill.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Right, So it's you know, evaluating sort of like the
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: cost effectiveness of that pick. So, you know, the Niners
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years have not drafted particularly well,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and they're getting killed by the general media for reaching
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: on picks like Stribbling was the tough first pick of
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: the second round. Most people had him in like the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: middle of the draft, and they took him as the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: first pick of the second round, the thirty third pick
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: in the draft, so that that's really what it comes
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: down to, is okay, well, you could you have pickn
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: somebody more on consensus at thirty three and still gotten
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: your guy stribbling in the third round.
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: To put it and you would have had both to
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: bring it home for the Patriots. Go to is it
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: twenty two with Cole Strange? Yeah, you know, you could
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: have taken someone at twenty two and gotten cold Strange
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: in the third fourth round if you believe the or
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: or even the.
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: Second board isn't worried about losing out on a guy
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: we really like, you know, like what team board is,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: what are they gonna do? Do we have to move
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: up here to get our guy because we think another
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: team's you know, like so they're they're thinking about things
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: that the media consensus board may not be thinking.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, and there's no doubt that we were, like
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: we don't have skin in the game like they do.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: So like if a GM drafts bad over the series
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: of a couple of drafts, they're gonna get fired. If
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a media person has a bad couple of drafts, they're
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: not gonna.
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: Lose their job there And maybe like that and they
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: don't work out, I just come to the draft the
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: next year.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I think that pressure is a big difference right of
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: getting it right. And what Fred's talking about is if
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: you risk losing the guy, then if you lose him
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: and then he goes on to be a superstar, then
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be held against you.
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: Eight five five past five hundred is the hotline. Let's
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: go to it. Sabbah is in North Carolina.
• 49:48
  Speaker 15: What's up, hey there, gentlemen. It's so nice to hear
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: your voices and see you guys on the TV. I
• 49:56
  Speaker 15: can't I hate that I haven't been calling in. I
• 49:58
  Speaker 15: keep missing it, you know, and I get busy and
• 50:00
  Speaker 15: I get my meetings and everything. So I just wanting
• 50:02
  Speaker 15: to give a shout out to you guys.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: Let's say that y'all do a great job, appreciate that.
• 50:08
  Speaker 15: I have a couple of concerns. I'm so excited about
• 50:11
  Speaker 15: the season, first of all, and it is true. There's
• 50:13
  Speaker 15: two seasons. There's football season and then there's waiting.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: For football seasons, so that is absolutely true.
• 50:19
  Speaker 15: The second thing is I am worried about the Patriots, obviously,
• 50:24
  Speaker 15: my guy Drake May. I'm worried two things. Is the
• 50:28
  Speaker 15: offensive coordinator going to adjust the offense to fit him more.
• 50:33
  Speaker 15: In other words, he's not Tom Brady. He doesn't just
• 50:35
  Speaker 15: sit back there like a statue. He needs to move around.
• 50:39
  Speaker 15: And Drake needs to stop going deep on every plate. Okay,
• 50:42
  Speaker 15: it's like he wants to play the hard eight every time.
• 50:45
  Speaker 15: He does the craps, and you gotta do the Pennis
• 50:47
  Speaker 15: line once in a while, dunk and dunk. That's what
• 50:50
  Speaker 15: happened to him in the playoffs. He wasn't dnking and
• 50:52
  Speaker 15: dunking enough, and he was holding the ball, not having
• 50:54
  Speaker 15: the line to protect him, looking deep, and then he'd
• 50:56
  Speaker 15: gets back. So I will those two things hopefully will
• 51:00
  Speaker 15: improved this year. Then my second concern is everybody else.
• 51:05
  Speaker 15: I mean, you still got San Diego. The Raiders aren't
• 51:08
  Speaker 15: gonna suck part, but they got Kirk Cousins. Now he's
• 51:10
  Speaker 15: gonna have Buffalo Steel, Jacksonville, Jexan. Uh, Cincinnati's gonna be
• 51:15
  Speaker 15: back because I don't think Burl's gonna be hurt all
• 51:17
  Speaker 15: year again. You've got the Colt Dale Jones. His ankle
• 51:21
  Speaker 15: is probably gonna be better. Now, Like, where is the
• 51:23
  Speaker 15: spot for the Patriots to actually win games that are
• 51:26
  Speaker 15: quote you know, Cloud of Guineas. They're easy besides the
• 51:29
  Speaker 15: Jets in Miami. So I'm really worried that just by attrition,
• 51:33
  Speaker 15: there's not gonna be room for the Patient to even
• 51:35
  Speaker 15: make the playoffs, even if they're not a worse team.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: No, I hear you, there's no doubt the schedule is
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: gonna be tougher. These other teams, you know, you're judging
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: by how they were last year, and maybe they'll be
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: a little better.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: But maybe, but the Patriots are.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: Gonna have to be a little bit better too if
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: they if they don't get better, then yeah, you're right,
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: they're there.
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: How many times you want to hear if he'll say it,
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: But but what if what if? What if?
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: What if in your first part of your call, What
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: if Josh McDaniels does adjust, What if they move that pocket,
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: What if they take advantage of Drake? What if he
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: starts to take a little bit more underneath to answer
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: when pressure comes. Now all of a sudden, to me,
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: that's a big leap for the offense.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And now you're competing with those teams that you just talked.
• 52:24
  Speaker 15: About and those pass rushers. Then you gotta fight. They're
• 52:28
  Speaker 15: gonna get tired. Now, they're gonna get tired of hope
• 52:30
  Speaker 15: to god, their cannibell is better.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: I'm going, yeah, so you're winning the game in the
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter because they're tired.
• 52:36
  Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly. I me one more comment. You guys were
• 52:39
  Speaker 15: talking about reaching for draft picks. I don't believe in that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 15: To me, if I get a pair of pants that
• 52:45
  Speaker 15: fit me and they're expensive.
• 52:47
  Speaker 12: I buy the suckers.
• 52:48
  Speaker 15: I have no need to get a pair of pants
• 52:49
  Speaker 15: and don't fit that are cheap. So to me, if
• 52:52
  Speaker 15: I want a guy, I'm gonna get him. I don't
• 52:53
  Speaker 15: care what a round it is. He's there and I
• 52:55
  Speaker 15: want him, I'm gonna get him because.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: By Ones, cry Ones.
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  Speaker 3: If you buy a pair of pants and they're not
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  Speaker 12: Rink where we'd all be much better at this.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think there's a lot of examples of
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: teams to say.
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: You know what, I didn't really want to pick Mike
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: do so, but you know I did, Like, if you
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: pick a guy, can we just operate under the general
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: assumption that you like them.
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: I hope so.
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not telling you that every pick is
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: the same. You know you don't like every single pick
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: the same. There's some guys that the entirety of your
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: organization is one thousand percent on board. They love Drake May.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: They're going to take Drake May with a third pick,
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: and everybody's in agreement. There are other guys that I'm
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: sure there's disagreements on, but I don't think there are
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: a lot of guys that the team just looks and says,
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: I don't want to take this.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Guy, but we got to take somebody, take them like.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think that happens.
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's got to be something about the player that
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: attracted you to them, right to take them?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
• 54:05
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  Speaker 21: Ryan, It's good to talk to you real quick.
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  Speaker 4: How do you think the draft has gone so far?
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  Speaker 6: Draft's gone great.
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  Speaker 20: Look, it's always an exciting time of the year, and
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  Speaker 20: it's been a pretty exciting couple of days. Every draft's unique,
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  Speaker 20: and so this one's had its own unique appeal and situations.
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  Speaker 6: So it's been fun.
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  Speaker 20: You never really know what to expect, and that's that's
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  Speaker 21: Ryan, last time we heard from Mike, he had shared
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  Speaker 21: that he would be in communication with you guys, and
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  Speaker 21: ESPN ted today that communication has been constant. Can you
• 57:08
  Speaker 21: just describe what it's been like and what it's done
• 57:11
  Speaker 21: for the room to still be in touch with Mike
• 57:14
  Speaker 21: during the draft today.
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  Speaker 20: Yeah, our focus, you know, Mike in the organization put
• 57:19
  Speaker 20: out statements about you know, Mike's situation and our support
• 57:23
  Speaker 20: of Mike, and I would just say everything we've done
• 57:26
  Speaker 20: up to this point, our preparation for the draft, has
• 57:29
  Speaker 20: allowed us to operate in a manner just as.
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: Normally as we would.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Next question Doug Kaide.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: Here Ran, thanks for doing this.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask about Demetrius crown Over.
• 57:42
  Speaker 22: He guys view him as a right tackle only do
• 57:45
  Speaker 22: you think you can move around the offensive line at all.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Just how do you view his his flexibility?
• 57:51
  Speaker 20: Sure, Demetrius is it was a massive individual. You know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 20: he's got great link. He really has some pretty natural
• 58:00
  Speaker 20: pass probability. I think ideally you know, with his with
• 58:03
  Speaker 20: his size, I mean both tackle positions. Inevitably the tackle
• 58:08
  Speaker 20: position is it becomes left and right and your ability
• 58:12
  Speaker 20: to play both sides. And I think we think the
• 58:14
  Speaker 20: Mets can can contribute on both sides of the tackle position.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Next question, Mark Daniels O.
• 58:25
  Speaker 23: Hey, Ryan, this is the second straight here you guys
• 58:27
  Speaker 23: have drafted two tackles. It's my first question is just
• 58:31
  Speaker 23: can you go into detail from your experience and how
• 58:33
  Speaker 23: difficult it is to find young, quality tackles and how
• 58:36
  Speaker 23: much does that put into you guys being aggressive the
• 58:38
  Speaker 23: last two years in the draft.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's a great point.
• 58:43
  Speaker 20: And it is a premium position in our league and
• 58:47
  Speaker 20: the pool of players that can play the position is
• 58:50
  Speaker 20: relatively small and you can never have enough depth. I
• 58:53
  Speaker 20: think there and the instance we want to talk about,
• 58:56
  Speaker 20: or that we do talk about in protecting the quarterback,
• 58:59
  Speaker 20: it's starts up front, and we've talked about that. I
• 59:02
  Speaker 20: think a year ago, we talked about a little bit
• 59:03
  Speaker 20: of an inside out mentality, and uh, you know, it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 20: when we see talent at the tackle position, I think
• 59:09
  Speaker 20: we're always going to look to add that.
• 59:11
  Speaker 18: Uh.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: As I mentioned.
• 59:12
  Speaker 20: Before, we we kind of always look in free agency
• 59:17
  Speaker 20: in every avenue to try to build the offensive line.
• 59:20
  Speaker 20: And Demetrius presented it hisself, you know tonight when we're
• 59:24
  Speaker 20: in the draft. It was just a value of a
• 59:26
  Speaker 20: player that we thought we wanted to add into the RUNO.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, next question and steel.
• 59:34
  Speaker 22: Brian, thanks for doing this. Uh one more about Mike Rabel.
• 59:39
  Speaker 22: Is he on a call throughout the entire day with
• 59:42
  Speaker 22: the draft? Is he chiming in from time to time?
• 59:45
  Speaker 22: Just a little more specifics as to his involvement today.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: Sure, I think as.
• 59:50
  Speaker 20: I stayed already, you know, obviously his pumple knowledge that
• 59:54
  Speaker 20: Mike was not going to be uh here today, that's
• 59:56
  Speaker 20: that's been stated.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: And as far as his interactions, I think that's part
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: of the up that we.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 20: Would keep internal here about about how today operated and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 20: and how we were able to But we were fully
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 20: confident that with all the work that we've done and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 20: and all the preparation that he's aided in throughout today
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 20: that we knew today would be able to operate in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 20: a in a manner that we can help build his
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 20: vision this football team.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: And I know he we had. He has our full
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: support as well as he has ours.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Next question, Sophie Weller, Hi Ran, thank you so much
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: for doing this. I'm just curious with your last pick.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Know that linebacker was a need for you guys going
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: in to add some more depth there.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: What was it about Nomdi that stood out?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 20: You know what Namdi he's you know, he's got an
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  Speaker 20: interesting story, started out at Iowa Western, and.
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  Speaker 6: You know it's really worked his way into a good player.
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  Speaker 20: TCU and he was at to see your Bowl and
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  Speaker 20: really good testing numbers and and I think as we
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  Speaker 20: looked at it, and we evaluate these guys from a
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  Speaker 20: couple of different angles, from defensive perspective of special teams,
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  Speaker 20: especially on the third day, you know, our special teams
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  Speaker 20: coaches took a look and had a lot of positives
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  Speaker 20: to say about non these projections as a special teams player,
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  Speaker 20: and that's important at the linebacker position, as you know,
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  Speaker 20: And so we.
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  Speaker 6: Thought he fit the profile of that and we're excited
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  Speaker 6: to work with it.
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  Speaker 2: Next question Alex spov.
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  Speaker 13: Hey, Ryan, thank you for doing this. You guys talked
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  Speaker 13: a lot about versatility. I'm curious with Koran Prunty. Do
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  Speaker 13: you guys see any safety versatility with him or is
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  Speaker 13: he somebody you just see playing cornerback?
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 20: I think those things always will kind of bear them,
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  Speaker 20: you know, play out as the as the players get here.
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  Speaker 6: And I would like to put too many expectations on a.
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  Speaker 20: Player being able to multiple roles or you know, down
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  Speaker 20: the road stuff. But with Koran, he's a player that
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  Speaker 20: was really intriguing us to us because of his his
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  Speaker 20: linked his speed. He's an aggressive player again, has an
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  Speaker 20: interesting story starting out in Kansas and he you know,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 20: went to North Carolin it for a minute, and then
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  Speaker 20: at Wake Forest and you know, we brought Kron in
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  Speaker 20: on a on a thirty visit.
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  Speaker 6: He did a great job with our coaching staff.
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  Speaker 20: He he really represented himself in a in a really
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  Speaker 20: professional manner and we're excited to bring his skill set
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  Speaker 20: at the perimeter corner and where he goes from there.
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  Speaker 20: I think that will just be once we get on
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  Speaker 20: the grass and start to make those But I think
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  Speaker 20: ideal with you, right, now you know he's competing at
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 20: the corner position.
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  Speaker 2: Next question, Greg.
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  Speaker 1: The don.
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  Speaker 24: Hey, Ryan, just hoping you could help me sort of
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  Speaker 24: slot out. It seems like you guys are really heavy
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  Speaker 24: at tackle now, like is James Hudson gonna be inside?
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  Speaker 24: You know, just sort of you know where you sort
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  Speaker 24: of slot in those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Is low moot?
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  Speaker 24: Now with the kron over here? Is is Lomo going
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  Speaker 24: to work more left tackle?
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  Speaker 4: To start?
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  Speaker 24: It just seems like it's a crowded tackle room at
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 24: the moment.
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  Speaker 20: Sure, if I would want a room to be crowded,
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  Speaker 20: I'll I'll take that as being one room that's crowded,
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  Speaker 20: just based off all we talked about before and how
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  Speaker 20: hard it is to find, you know, tackles in the
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  Speaker 20: in the.
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  Speaker 6: National Football League. You know again, a.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 20: Little bit of that was just trusting in the in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 20: the board when we get to areas on the draft
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  Speaker 20: and we have players valued.
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  Speaker 6: In certain ranges, and you know.
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  Speaker 20: What, that one we leaned into a guy who between
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 20: where we had things stacked, he was one of the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 20: better players remaining on our board. So there was a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 20: value there. We don't ever know what's going to happen tomorrow,
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  Speaker 20: the next day. So that's why you stick to a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 20: concept of the best player available when you pick. Even
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 20: if it if it today looks crowded, that's not going
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  Speaker 20: to maybe be the same in a week or two weeks.
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  Speaker 6: Or by the time to get the train camp.
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  Speaker 20: So that's kind of the situation there, Greg is you know,
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  Speaker 20: those guys going the room and compete, and when you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 20: take the best player, sometimes it may look crowded on
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  Speaker 20: the front.
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  Speaker 6: End, but those tend those tend to have a way
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  Speaker 6: of working.
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  Speaker 4: Out and now great moments in.
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  Speaker 25: History.
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  Speaker 4: But Fred would tastes better a tender or a wing.
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  Speaker 26: A wing if it's done right because the skin is
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  Speaker 26: still on it and it's fried.
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  Speaker 4: And you know it's all from one check. I think
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  Speaker 4: I think the bone gives an extra flavor. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why.
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  Speaker 26: Well, it's the fat from the skin that gives it
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  Speaker 26: the flavor, you know, I.
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  Speaker 8: Like the bone in But there's times that, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 8: perfectly satisfied.
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  Speaker 4: With my tenders, right, like when we do it right
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  Speaker 4: here right, because.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want to be eating wings and making a
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  Speaker 8: mess as I'm trying to yell at college but telling
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  Speaker 8: me that I call Belichick a mediocre coach.
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  Speaker 26: You know it's on your face, but it's also all
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 26: in your fingers, and you know experience. So when I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 26: wings at home, after it's done, I just put my
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  Speaker 26: hand out.
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  Speaker 4: My dog cleans my.
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  Speaker 5: Finger, just hangs his hand off the throat.
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  Speaker 4: You fat bastard.
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  Speaker 26: You can't even drop them wash your own hands immediately
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  Speaker 26: watching TV.
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  Speaker 1: Let the dog do the.
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  Speaker 4: Work, my god, not yet, not, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: The stork you know he likes it. You know it's
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  Speaker 1: win win for both of them.
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  Speaker 10: Spicy forms.
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  Speaker 1: That came a little story.
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  Speaker 5: That's another great moment.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why that's such a big deal.
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  Speaker 12: I don't know anyway, can't be good for the dog,
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  Speaker 12: all right?
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  Speaker 7: A five five past five hundred is the hotline podcast
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. Lots of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: emails and phone calls. Let's go to the phones. Todd
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: is North Carolina. What's up Todd?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Todd? Todd is gone.
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  Speaker 7: Todd had to get back to work. Sam's in North Carolina.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: We've had three North Carolina calls in the world.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: What's up? Sam is gone? All right? What's up?
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  Speaker 14: Sam? I just wanted to reiterate what I really feel.
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  Speaker 14: What Drake may masters the system and learned to take
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  Speaker 14: the pro We have this problem.
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  Speaker 4: He just hung out.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Wait what happened? All right, the moment the I t guy, I.
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  Speaker 4: Got to the bottom of it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: Jail Ben in Hershey, Pennsylvania writes, and over the past
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: few years, I've created an annual ritual of sorts where
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: I watched the live network draft coverage and then listen
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: back to the Patriots dot Com coverage a day or
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: two later. Knowing who the picks were makes the late
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: listen even more exciting as I anxiously await the panel's reaction.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: I can almost smell Deuce sweating through my headphones each
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: time an edge defender got picked in the second round,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: knowing the whole time that Acus would.
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  Speaker 1: Be his new guy.
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  Speaker 7: All that being said, the best part of this routine
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: is the comic relief provided by some of the sound bites.
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  Speaker 1: For example, I.
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  Speaker 7: Don't think they like you like Rarenon, Maybe they like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: Eli Rerenon, probably not. Or Paul's bemoaning the prospect of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: them trading up in the first for an ot who
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: won't play his rookie year before the trade has even
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: been made. Then he talks himself into the I can
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  Speaker 7: see it once the pick is in. I told my
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: wife that it's like watching Dame of Thrones. It's like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: watching Game of Thrones with someone who's never seen it,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: while I know the entire story and I get to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: enjoy their reactions. They called me a loser anyway. Please
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: don't take this as criticism. Anyone who expects you all
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: to get the picks right every time doesn't understand ball.
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  Speaker 12: So thank you well.
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  Speaker 3: I think we were right that the ELI reared in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: one did not sound like that was universally right.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: Rita was heard from Ryan Cowden moments ago.
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  Speaker 5: I think healthy debate.
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  Speaker 8: ELI, I mean Elliott Wolf, and I think they had
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: sort of admitted there was some healthy debate. And I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: don't take any offense at all because I did that.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: I did exactly what the emailer said. I was like,
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  Speaker 8: I don't really want to trade up for a guy
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  Speaker 8: who's a left tackle and this kind of insurance who's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: going to red shirt a year and then give up
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  Speaker 8: resources to do it. And then they did it, and
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  Speaker 8: I was like, I understand, I can see what they did.
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  Speaker 8: That's totally what I did that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the hardest part that I have with
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: the pick. It's not necessarily Caleb Lomu. It's just the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: process of you trade it up for a tackle that's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: gonna red shirt and you just drafted a tackle two
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: years in a row now, and it just that piece
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: of it. I'm just not But I also look at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: the board and I'm like, all right, well, what else
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: were you really going to do?
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  Speaker 12: I know in that spot?
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  Speaker 7: So I understand the immediacy of it. He's not going
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  Speaker 7: to play right away, hopefully because Morgan is here.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't.
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  Speaker 7: Complain about you need to protect Drake May and Morgan's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: not going to be here forever.
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  Speaker 1: And then you address it and then you complain like, well,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it.
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  Speaker 7: I really think this guy's going to be your right
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  Speaker 7: tackle for you know, five years.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good pick.
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  Speaker 4: Well then how can you think that? How can you
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  Speaker 4: know that?
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  Speaker 1: You don't you don't know anything about any of these.
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  Speaker 8: No, but I'm saying specifically, he hasn't played that position.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I would push back.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the plan.
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  Speaker 8: But the reason why I didn't love the plan is
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  Speaker 8: I he doesn't play right tackle. But that's why I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: didn't love the plan. Initially, now again, email is right.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: I talked myself into what.
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  Speaker 4: I got there.
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  Speaker 8: I got there, I got on board because I do understand,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: and it's kind of what you guys gave me pushback on,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: like I think it actually does set them up nicely
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: and it provides a layer of insurance where now they
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: can let the strong survive. The best player emerges as
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  Speaker 8: the left tackle, and then you worry about the right
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  Speaker 8: tackle later. So I you know, like I said I did,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: the email is right for calling out my hypocrisy.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: I talked myself into it.
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  Speaker 1: I changed your mind.
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  Speaker 8: I always say it's better to sort of be a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: little bit flexible than just stubbornly said in your ways
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: like Evan.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nath's from Iowa, and he said he played football
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: with Eli Raritan, and I could not be more excited
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: that we drafted him. I know he wasn't some of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: your guy's favorite tight end of the raft, but is
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: definitely the toughest of them. I played strong side linebacker
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: and I remember going against him in practice deciding that
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: I need to become friends with this guy, otherwise I'm
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: going to get killed in practice for the next four years.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: He's a great guy, and you guys are gonna love
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: getting to know him when do rookie jerseys become available
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: to buy, because I'm one hundred percent getting his Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So I think when he when he says toughest and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: he meant just to cover right would.
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  Speaker 8: Against Ken and Max Claire, I mean, he's telling you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: what he did against You played against this guy, you
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: didn't play against the other guys.
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  Speaker 3: Toughness is not how I would describe other than bouncing
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: back from two a c ls early on in his life.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Is that shows some mental for sure, But toughness on
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: the field in terms of like grit and blocking and like,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily describe him in that exact way, But
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he doesn't have goods about him.
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  Speaker 1: It's well, maybe it was tough and like tough to cover, sure,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 10: I mean there's a willingness to his blocking, and that
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  Speaker 10: to me, what the appeal is is that he can
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  Speaker 10: develop into an all around tight end.
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  Speaker 4: Who continue, I'm intrigued by that. Pick me too, me too.
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  Speaker 3: I think he can develop into an all around tight end.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you know, even now when you see
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  Speaker 3: him get opportunities that are a little bit more favorable
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: like blocking safeties instead of blocking defensive ends and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: He does a pretty good job. So you know, it's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: just the he plays. You know, he's sixty six, so
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: he's a little upright in terms of like his you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: leverage and all that kind of stuff, and he doesn't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: quite have the mass yet, you know to really like
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  Speaker 3: dig in. But I saw an interview with him where
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: he said that he wanted to gain about ten pounds
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: you know, play around two fifty five uh in the NFL,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: and I think that might help.
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  Speaker 10: That's yeah, like the thing that kind of stood out
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: to me watching him age a little bit yesterday again,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 10: was just like good at tempoing his routes a little bit.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 10: You know, it's like he kind of builds up a
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  Speaker 10: little bit, but there are a bunch of times where
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  Speaker 10: he just kind of gets it's lost in the coverage
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 10: and he finds you know, the open space. But I'm
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 10: just excited because I think he can be protected this year.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 10: He doesn't need to come in and they're not going
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 10: to ask him to block. They're going to be like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: you know, and Evan you know, made a great point.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 10: He's not you know a big red zone producer at
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: Notre Dame. But I think that's where you start. You know,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 10: you get in those red zone packages, you get two
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 10: tight ends, and you know, you see what you can
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 10: do with him off the seam. I just I think
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 10: that connection with Drake's gonna be something that I'm really
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 10: going to have an eye on in training camp, just
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: because I feel like when Drakes he's a big body,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 10: he is confident to chuck the ball to that dude,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 10: and I think he'll be chucking on a lot to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 10: Eli Ridin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a nice complimentary skill set to what
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: the rest of the group has. You know, Hunter Henry
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: is kind of your chain mover, your steady, you know,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: presence there. And then obviously Julian Hill is a blocking specialist.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: And then Raredon's got some real field stretching ability. You know,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: a guy that averaged over fifteen yards of catch, so
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: he's got some real vertical juice. And that, to me,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: is his path to playing as a rookie is you know,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: he's going to bring a little bit something different to
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: that room. It might not be in a high volume,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: but just have some sort of different element to his game.
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  Speaker 7: I think Raredan is the guy, to me, has the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: most potential to exceed expectations.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 5: That sounds about right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Deuce is right, like the way that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Drake May throws to bigger targets, whether it's the tight ends,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Matt Collins, like, you can see a comfort level, especially
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: over the middle of the field that you know, okay,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: if I have to really rip this one in there,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: like if it's a little high, you know, this guy's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: got the ability to go and you know, catch the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: ball above his head versus trying to hit you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: a Pop Douglas in the same window through the trees, right,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: it is not as easy. So he definitely has a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: comfort level there.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: John and Louisiana.
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  Speaker 7: When Evan knew who the pick was for the Patriots
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: but it wasn't publicly announced yet, he was like a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: kid at his birthday ready to blow his candles, but
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: his parents had to hold him back till the birthday
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: song was over. Also, Fred, do the Cowboys feel like
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: we got a guy only in the first round or
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: do they feel the need to congratulate each other even
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: on day three?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that was a very unfortunate byproduct of this
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: draft for me is like every single team they put
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: up there, all of them couldn't wait to congratulate themselves
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: for every pick.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean even if when they make their calls
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: for the undrafted free agents they.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 8: I used to really make fun of Dallas for that.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: Now everybody, Yeah, they all do it.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 10: That would be an interesting video of just behind the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 10: scenes of the dash to sign undrafted free agents and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 10: what kind of negotiations go on. You know, do hey,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 10: I got this much guaranteed money from this team, would
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 10: you be willing to go up a little bit?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: You know those kind of things, and you know what,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: what do they need?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: They keep that in mind, Yeah, do we not?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Do we not?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: We didn't get this in the draft?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: Let's go after this kid.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 12: You know how do they take a lot of the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 12: d phase too.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: They look at the team's depth charts that are calling
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: them because they need to have a path to make
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: the rosters. So they're not going to sign with the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: team that is like loaded, you know the Patriots, Like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: why would I tackle sign here right now?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Like you just four wide receivers? Did Yeah?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I know that's right.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I might be the maybe the deepest spot
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: I mean it might not have.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 12: The in terms of numbers, sure, yeah, but I think
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 12: a lot of you could look at it.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: And say you're just making a point.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: I I yeah, Like.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Every time we talk to those guys afterwards, like what
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: made you sign with the Patriots, And a lot of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it is to be honest, like there was an opportunity there,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Like I saw, you know, there wasn't a whole lot
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: ahead of me on the depth chart, and I thought
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: I could make the team.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: Uh Andrew and Coronado, California. A few random thoughts.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: First, I liked the low MoU pick.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: We knew we needed a tackle in the next year
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: or two, so why not take one this year in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: what is regarded as a week draft instead of next
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: year when the talent will be better at more premium
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: positions and would be probably picking higher. Second, the Super
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: Bowl run was great, but it delayed the off season
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: shows by five weeks, which kind of sucked. Third, when
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: Paul talks normal, he sounds like he's from Boston. When
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: he puts on his fake Boston accent, he sounds like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: he's from Philly, and it's hilarious.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Oh last, Chester can pull off.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: My Boston accent? I sound like I'm from Philly.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: Last Chester can pull off a signature catchphrase. Christian in
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: La cannot. Also, I'm pretty sure he's a fraud. There's
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: no way somebody with as much money as he claims
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: to have would have given up Patriots Super Bowl tickets
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: to go next year. He'd do both. There never was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: a ticket. Maybe he does live in a big house
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: as the as the nanny or something. Oh wow, that's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: a good point. If you have that much money, you
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: go to both, right.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 12: Well, yeah, like my uncle somehow has been to like
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 12: nine of them.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Another Carolina called this one's from South Carolina. It's Dustin.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: What's up Dustin? Hey?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 27: How you guys doing good?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 27: All right, I got a quick question in a statement.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 27: So I'm looking to really see a big jump from
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 27: Kyle Williams this year. His skill set just screams a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 27: guy that needs to play on the outside the majority
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 27: of the time. So I'm prefacing this question with the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 27: assumption that aj Brown will be here and kaysham Boodi
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 27: will not. If that is the case. With Romeo Dobbs
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 27: playing eighty two percent of his snaps on the outside
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 27: last year, do you think he'll be able to transition
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 27: to the inside or do you think hit him and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 27: Kyle Williams will compete for STAPs on the outside opposite
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 27: of Ajay. Yeah, and then my statement is Fred, do
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 27: the right thing, bring Andy home.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks sus I.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 10: Think Dov's slide inside when you go through wide receiver
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: and you know, maybe you bring in Hollins on the outside,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 10: you know, as a second outside presence or But I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 10: like the Kyle Williams I think he's got I mean,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 10: I think he has an advantage in his speed.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: You know, he's got young legs, He's got to get stronger.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's something he's been talking a lot about
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 10: going into this offseason.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: But I agree.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 10: I mean, if I was a receiver in that, I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 10: would say, what can I do better than anyone else here?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 10: And I think Kyle Williams right now the long speed.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 10: But and I think he's pretty good getting off the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: line too. I mean, I think he's got some moves
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 10: at least some quickness, yeah, some good releases. So but
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 10: I agree, I think that's a you know, it's it's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: not hard to look at twenty twenty seven and think,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: you know, you know, you got Dobbs and maybe you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 10: got aj Brown, But if Kyle Williams can be you
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: know that third guy. I mean, look, you hit on
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 10: a draft pick at a wide receiver, I think we're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 10: gonna be throwing a parade.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: So all eyes on.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 10: Kyle Williams this summer. I just hope he stays healthy,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 10: that he's consistent. You know, that was one thing last
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 10: year that he did well. He was always available and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 10: you know, made the most of some of his opportunities.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: But it just did It wasn't consistent in that. But again,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: he's a rookie and hard to expect more than that.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: We just have a asked the question like did he
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: not play more because of what was in front of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: him on the depth chart and Diggs is here and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Matt Collins is here and Foudy and.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 12: Douglas and or did he not play more because he
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 12: couldn't make that push.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 10: And make certain for Mery Paula interrupt your novel jump.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 10: But the same question is he is he mentally knowing
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 10: where to be and is he in the right spots?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 10: And that's a concern I have with Pop Douglas. It's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 10: not a concern I have a Kaishaan Boody. I think
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: Kashan Bouti is starting to get it and understand how
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: to run his routes and where to be. But you know,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: Kyle Williams as much as gets stronger mentally getting in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 10: the right.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: Spots, like you know, just simply and we talked about
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: this earlier in the show. Unless major changes happen and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: guys are not here that are expected to be here,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: I want, like, I wonder, how.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: Does it change for Kyle Williams from last year to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: this year?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: In other words, Okay, if Booty goes where, they still
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: bring it in Brown and Dobbs. You know, so for
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: so Booty and Digs go Brown and Dobbs come in,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: they're ahead of Kyle Williams. So now you have to
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 8: find a way if you're Kyle Williams, to get ahead
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: of Mac Hollins or get ahead of to Mario Douglas
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: and you know, earn those kinds of reps on a
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: more regular basis. Otherwise, what's changed? You know, whether he's inside,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: outside or indifferent, he's not going to play outside over
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 8: a J. Brown, and he's not going to play anywhere
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: inside or outside over Romeo Dobbs.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so who is your inside guy? Who's your move
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: the chains guy or Romeo underneath guy Dobbs. But this
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: guy said he lined up outside.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the semantics like, yeah, you don't have to be
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: a downfield guy to be an outside guy.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: But in Green Bay, like they they run a lot
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: of condensed formations, so like their receivers are tight into
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: the numbers.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: He's outside.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: He's still technically yeah it's inside the numbers, but outside
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 8: the former Yeah.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so there's there's some blurred lines there.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I actually, like, you know, Diggs ended up being pretty
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: much a slot guy, like he was sixty forty slot
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I think last year.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: But you know, if you look at like where like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 12: a heat map of like where.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs actually was on the field versus where Diggs
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: actually was, it might log as a slot snap for
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: Digs in a wide snap for but like the real
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: estate is not all that.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: He ends up there? Yeah right right, yeah, Tom and Natick.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: Like everyone, I was thrilled with the twenty twenty five
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: draft because the Patriots didn't try to get too fancy
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: and instead selected players who were high at all the
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: consensus boards. But this year's day three felt like they
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: decided to try to be the smartest people in the room,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: and they selected players like Pronting and Abiyazor who were
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: considered UDFA candidates by pretty much everyone in the league.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Very frustrating. I'm not worried about those days.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: I just yeah, I mean, she might be right, you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: they might have been reaches.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: From everything I read, and this is kind of a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: pretty simple synopsis, is that the nil is really impacting
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: Day three more so than anything else. And the theory
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 8: that I read a lot over the weekend was whereas
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 8: in the past, you might get let's say, let's say
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 8: there's one hundred early entries in a typical year, say
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 8: eight years ago. You know, at maximum, only a third
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: of those guys are going in the first round, right,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 8: so at least two thirds of those guys is still
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: available later in the draft. Well, now, if you cut
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 8: that number of early entries, say in half, there aren't
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: as many draftable players available.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: So Day three is going to get the hit.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: There's guys getting drafted in Day three today that maybe
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: wouldn't have been drafted eight years ago when everybody was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: coming out early. Now a lot of guys stay in
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: school they're taking the money in school, and I think
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: that the pool was smaller.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 12: One hundred percent, and I wonder how much longer that'll
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 12: go on for like just two points that.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: They catch up, because we'll catch up. I also think
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: that some.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Guys actually end up hurting their stocks by staying, because
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of time what's happening is like guys have
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: early breakouts, they stay for the money in nil and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: then they end up having a bad junior you know,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: senior season, uh, and when they were draft eligible and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: they don't come out. So I think in some ways
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: we've seen that actually work against players because there's one
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: more year of sample, you.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: Know, and this is the new normal too, so it
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: will catch up and you won't have those big early
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: entry classes, you know, like you used to do. But
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: now this will become the normal thing and it'll it'll
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: work itself out. And you're right, like, look at the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: two great receivers, right, Jeremiah Smith who remains the great receiver,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 8: but Ryan Williams was the other one. They were both
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: true freshmen and by all accounts would have been like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 8: top ten picks that they come out after their freshman year.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 8: Smith probably is going to be a top three pick,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: you know when he comes out. Ryan Williams took a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 8: step back last year, so if he was draft eligible
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: after that first year, he may have been what Evan's
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 8: talking about, may have been a guy who sort of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: heard his stock a little bit by staying in.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I forget all the names, but like a lot
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks, like Drew Aller for example, Like a
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: lot of these quarterbacks, you know, went back and they
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: hurt their stocks actually by going back because they played worse.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes that's just circumstances. You know, you
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: lose your team, lost to watch a bunch of guys
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: to the NFL, there was a coaching change, whatever the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: case may be. That my lead it there. I would
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: also say like with the Day three picks, I kind
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: of felt a little bit like the emailer a little bit.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: I kind of felt like Day three they they sort
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: of said, we're yeah, back into the roster special teams.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 8: He's right about where some of these guys were projecting.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: A lot of them were projected DF.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: The one guy that I, yeah, crown over is the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: one sort of like guy that was like all right,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: that was I like that pick a lot he actually
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: I think went below consensus, right, like he was consensus
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: higher and went a little bit later than he was
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: supposed to go. Uh, trading completely out of the fourth round,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: even though it got you Lomo and an accus.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 12: Maybe that ends up working. They were right about that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 12: in the long run.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: But I think in the fourth round of this draft,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: there was a sweet spot of some of their depth needs,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: like linebacker, safety, places like that.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 12: You know, dude, let a read off a couple of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 12: the linebackers.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: I think it was what Miami got, right Kyle Lewis,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: you know, guys like that that went in the fourth round,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: And I was a little disappointed that they didn't have
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to draft those guys. So there's other like
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: kind of pivots, Like you know, they went and they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: drafted the TCU kid, and like Harold Perkins was still
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: on the board when they picked, and I was I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: would love to know, like what they what the difference
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: between those two guys were for them, And I think
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: some of it is is that, you know, they kind
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: of project Obiazar to be a better special teamer and like,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: you know that that's just sort of where they're at
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: I thought that the Day three of the draft, it
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't so much that they reached It was more that
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: I think they kind of were like, we don't have
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: any roster spots left that aren't special teams, you know,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: depth guys, and they kind of took guys that have.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 12: An eye towards, you know, playing in the kicking game.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: Jacket and Abbah fred is right, Lomu will be the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: Patriots right tackle for five years or longer. Lomu is
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: a better offensive tackle prospect and is more highly allowed
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: teammates Spencer for Know. Why you asked, because the Utah
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: coaches moved the more experienced for Know to right tackle
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: to put Lomu at left tackle last season. Did they
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: do that because Lomu was a worse player than Fine?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: Because Lomu has a better frame to play tackle, He
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: is better proportioned to add mass throughout his frame, especially
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: to increase upper body strength than Fine. Moreover, although Finel
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: has elite measurables at the combine, low Mu's measurables were
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: still above average. Furthermore, four irrelevant forty times and nearly
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: meaningless in the evaluation that tackles.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Finally, race yourself.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: Low Mu's arms are thirty three and three ace, whereas
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: Finot's arms are thirty two and an eighth.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: So I will agree with some of the premise of
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: the email. There were people that felt like Lomu was
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: a more talented player than not a not a more polished,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: not a more you know, pro ready type of player,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: and definitely not a better finisher, but in terms of
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: just raw measurables and athleticism, people thought that Lomu might
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: have actually been a better prospect. Now, the other thing
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: about the left and the right, you know, I I
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: mentioned during our raft show. I think a lot of
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: that was who was more comfortable switching yep, And so
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: they felt like Fano was more comfortable with the switch
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: than Lomu was.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 12: So they left Lomu alone and they and they moved
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 12: fanel over.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: But I've heard the take that people think Lomu is
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: more from a raw talent standpoint, has like a higher
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: ceiling than Fano does.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: It's as I mean, they got taken what fifteen to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: twenty picks apart, and yeah, I mean it's not like
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: one went in the first round and one went in
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: the seventh round, right, you know, like Membu and Marcus
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 8: Bryant as an example, the two Missouri guys who had
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: a similar situation left and right that will be remain
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 8: to be seen. Did they not want to make that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: move because they didn't feel like MoMu could play the
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: right side, or because they felt let's leave well enough alone.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 8: I'm not on the Utah coaching staff, but we'll find out. Yeah,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 8: so we'll sort themselves up. That's certainly what the whispers were.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: The the Fino thing that I think stands out that
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: makes him, you know, made him go higher, was just
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: you know, he's more technically sound right now, He's more
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: polished and he's got a little bit more grit and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: like finished to his game than Lomu does. But you know,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Brandon Thorton said that, you know, raw talent wise, like
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: Lomu's probably a better prospect in that respect. So maybe
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: maybe it ends up playing that way in three years.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not going to be that his rookie year,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: but it might be you know, down the line again.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Less Chicken bretton Lemonster with the first pick. There seems
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: to be two minds of thought on this one.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: Every article I read most of the people that think
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: he is a great pick and give the pick a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: B plus through.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: An A rating.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: Those people think he is replacing Campbell, and the people
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: who like but don't love the pick expect that he's
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: going to do spot duty and maybe fill in for
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: injured players, and eventually is replacing Moses, which is closer
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: to the truth.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Which is closer to to the truth.
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  Speaker 8: Do you think in year one, B, Yeah, I don't
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: see any scenario that he just beats out Will Campbell
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: year one as a rookie.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you it's impossible, but I don't see it. Yeah,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: B is more likely in year one.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: What happens after that, like when Wigan Moses is gone,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: when he retires, then I think you find out how
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: that plays out.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: When Fred was out, I wrote about TV shows from
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: the seventies and eighties that had quicksand episodes. Nice One
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 7: article said they were as common as Christmas specials, and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: Paul thought, I must watch obscure westerns that WSBK blot
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: from ever.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Here are a list of few shows that had quicksand episodes.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: Gilligan's Island, Gets Smart, The Lucy Show, Brady Bunch, Charlie's Angels,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: six Million Dollar Man, Hardy Boys, Batman, night Rider, and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Dukes have had Wow.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: I need I need to follow up. I need to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: follow up. I need to know what Brady Bunch episode
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: had Quicksand.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: I'm in the Hawaii epis. I know the Brady Bunch.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: I don't remember any Quicksand episode.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was maybe they were out in the wild.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: That's in the I remember there out in the wild.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: Maybe told him to stay away from the Quicksand.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: I've only seen one episode of the Brady Bunch. It's
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Joe Namath right football, Yeah, that's only one.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: He didn't like the route that Bobby ran on that,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously he's drifting.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 12: It was horrible.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Hit Marsha right in the face. That's a different episode. Jesus,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: what do we do it? Can we go back to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: the Campbell different thing?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 12: First?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: You want to?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're the one I want to.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 12: Go back to this because you know, I got a
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 12: little cranky about it on Saturday.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 16: Uh.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: We talked.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 12: We just talked about low Moo and and.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: If that situation might have been Actually just felt more
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: comfortable switching. I think that's the only scenario that I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: see this happening is if they say Lomu's a starting
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: caliber tackle, but he's a starting caliber tackle on the
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: left side, and Campbell is more fluid, is more able
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: to kind of move over to the other side. It
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily meanly appreciate this take. Doesn't mean that Campbell
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: is bad. It just means that in order to get
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: them both on the field.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: What you're doing, they have to they're both awesome. How
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: can they beat most awesome together?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: Exactly?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: He didn't be Will Campbell out, He was just was
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: actually better because he could play either side.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 12: Say he was better.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: I just said in order, maybe they're their best two tackles,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: and the only way to get both of them on
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: the field is to put Lomo at left and Campbell
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: at right, because that's where they're you know, he's.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 12: Only comfortable on the left.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: If that ends up being the case, yeah, I'm to tackle.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: One of which is inferior playing the left side. According
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: to this theory, that the only reason why they're making
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: the change is because Will Campbell can play either side
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: and Lomo can't.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's not as good at left tackle
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: as Will Campbell.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: It kind of does.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: But but now you know it tackles, it means he's
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: not as good at right tackle.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: No, I'm saying that if he plays left tackle over
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: Will Campbell, they thought he was better at left tackle
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: than Will Campbell. Evan is saying that wouldn't necessarily be
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: the case, which again I really respect because it's as
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: as you could ever.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Have because I won't lay down my sword, That's what
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. So, but I'm one hundred percent going down
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: with the Will Campbell ship, and I'm okay with that.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 12: Like I like him pre draft, I like them when
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 12: they drafted.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Fred's got it. I like him fourteen.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: If those two guys are starting at tackle and they
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: both good players, then you've you've done it right.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter where.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: We've lived in the weeds of this for the last
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: like you know, three days and et cetera. Going back.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 10: But I just think when you take a big picture
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 10: of view and you look back at the depth chart
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 10: of what they've added the last couple of years at
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 10: the tackle position, again, when you go back to thinking
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 10: what they were rolling out on the field two years ago,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 10: I just feel generally like, Okay, I don't know how
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: it's all going to work out.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: But I like that they have a bunch of options.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: They've got depth, they've got some athleticism.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 10: So maybe it'll work out one way or the other.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 10: But it looks like it's gonna be good for the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: team long Well, maybe not.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 8: Signing any player who's ever played tackle like they did
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: two years ago was a mistake, Like we're gonna get.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: I can't even think of his name now. Four he
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: had never left.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 8: I know they couldn't go left, but that's who they
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 8: signed to play left, and then he pouted, So I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: don't play left.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 12: I played right and then retired and retire to camp.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: Is there a way honestly to evaluate who would be
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: better at left tackle in camp?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Like right, you know, before our snaps are real? Is
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: there an honest way to say, Wow, this guy looks
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: better than that guy.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think they'll be hints of it, especially
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 10: joint practices. You know, you get out there, you get
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 10: are you're talking.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Like even before they put the pads on, or like
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: well no, no, no, no, no, you know about the
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: summer Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 10: But I think ultimately you got to get to games
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 10: with the way that they have it set up and
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 10: the way they've been talking about Will Campbell short of
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 10: an injury or something drastic, I think it would be
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 10: hard to make that move before you get into games.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: And you know there's nothing.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: So that's like kind of my question. You might have
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 7: nothing in the summer leading up to the real games.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: You say, well, they could this guy.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: I mean maybe, like I'm just gonna eliminate myself. I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to do that.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I would either.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's hard.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless there was not without the benefit of
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: watching the practice back, like watching it live, I can't.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 12: Imagine I would be able to jump to that conclusion.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 10: But pulling of people will jump to that conclusion if
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: like Will Campbell's losing one on ones and Lomu isn't
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 10: you know and.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: Means I'd have to be watching those.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll do it for you.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: It's okay, But tell me who won those.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: The one and the ones in Minnesota last year were great.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: They let us like stand like right behind the drill
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: and I was literally like standing like I was in.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: The pocket, and so like, did you get hit?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: No, But you can like feel it a lot better
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: of like when they when they go when they go
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: bul rush, like you can feel it a lot better
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: of like did they actually would that have impacted you?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Like with the quarterback have had to move, Whereas when
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: you're kind of watching it from afar, it's sort of
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: hard to tell, like how far he actually moved the guy,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, but sometimes you know you can feel it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: And I remember last year in Minnesota, like Will Campbell
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: going up against Jonathan greenerd and just being like, okay,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: like that's.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing like.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: There's nothing like being feel leveled near the hearing and
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: feeling that impact.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: You know, you lose that in the stands are on TV.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: You can't understand how they register on the Richter scale. Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: The other thing that's that stood up from being field
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: level Minnesota is Travion Like he took a wheel route
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: I remember you guys talking about, and I just like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: he was just shot out of a cannon.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 12: Then he had in that game to different speed.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: Didn't he have a long run in that like catch
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: and running that.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: I don't remember. I was feeling in for you, I
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: couldn't properly.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: I don't remember him having one in this not very comforting.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: He had the kickoff return in the opener. I remember
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: that Washington.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: I thought he catching run in the game, but maybe
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: it was practice.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: I mean, even Brian flores Is like kind of was
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 12: like whoa like that was. That's a different level.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phonet eight five five past
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: five hundred. Williams and Phillim what's up?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 18: Well?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: Hellup?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 14: How you doing?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: What's a paying?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: All right? Hey?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 14: Uh Elliott?
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Well, Jesus Christ, what's going on over there?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 25: Can you just make some sense to this for me?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 25: So all right, so you you have three starters, all right,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 25: So you have to tackle, you got to edgebrusher, and
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 25: you also have to tight end. So wouldn't they be
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 25: red shirts because they got to get implemented. They they
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 25: got the scheme. How does that work?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't know.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: For who?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 14: All three?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 12: All three? Well, lo mo, we just talked about it.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think you're gonna get a lot
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: out of all three of those guys in year one.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean that bad bread. I think Gacus
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: will play in Hill contribute the other two. I mean,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: I don't think Woman will play much if if at all,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 8: And I think there's a chance that rear it In
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 8: does the stuff that Evan talked about earlier in the show,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: where he's a little different than your other two tight ends.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: You might have some packages for him specifically to try
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: to make some big plays down the seam, but I
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 8: wouldn't expect him to be, say, like a fifty snap
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: kind of guy. I think you would get sort of
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: some specific big packages in the offense for him.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: So we talked about Lomu, you know, red shirting or
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: being a you know, a substitute. Is there any chance
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: that he comes out and it's like, oh he's better
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: than Morgan Moses, you should start at right tackle.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. What we've been talking a lot.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: I mean the point I made on the show, always
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: a chance.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: He's gonna play a lot.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 10: You know, probably in camp they're going to manage Morgan
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 10: Moses and that hopefully can help accelerate his development. But
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 10: again it goes back to what you said earlier, like
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 10: can you determine who would win the spy?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: I think it's one of the hard that and running back.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 10: I feel like the hardest positions to truly evaluate in practices.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think you can evaluate
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: and in practice, but like I said before, like you
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: need to be able to watch back, like if you
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: if you're kidding yourself when they're at eleven on eleven's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: and there's you know, ten guys moving around in the trenches,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: like you're acting like you saw everything like that, I'm sorry,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: but you didn't, you know, So like especially maybe like
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: somebody like Bill Belichick or Raybell can watch all twenty
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: two guys and diagnose everything that's going on.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 12: No one can do that realistically.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: So so like you know, without going back, and they'll
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: have the tapes and stuff like that that they can
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: go back and watch the practice. He maybe get a
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: better feel for it, But I don't think there's much
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: of a chance that he could be better than Morgan Moses.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 12: But it's not zero.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: I know, I don't just miss anything. I don't I
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: haven't seen the guy.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Play Adam Luizuana.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 7: What I could see happening with Campbell and is Campbell
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: plays left tackle, Moses plays right tackle this year with
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 7: Lomu the swing tackle. We move on from Moses next year,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: and Campbell plays right tackle with Lomu at left, not
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: because he's a better tackle, but because Campbell fits the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: profile of a McDaniel's right tackle more. He was a nasty, mean,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: finishing run blocker last year and will hopefully continue that
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: this year. That's what I believe we have always said
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: about our McDaniel's O line run blocker on the right
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 7: past protector on the left.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: That's the Evan Lazar theory.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: Will Campbell play right tackle?
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think if they're going to.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Do something it's hard to do that because of Morgan,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: but like they're gonna do something like that, don't you
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: feel like they need to do that sooner rather than later.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: Like if we're going to decide in year three of
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell that now we're going to flip.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 8: Them, do you think there's any chance that they've done
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 8: a little of that well or they maybe it's probably
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: more accurate they plan to do some of that behind
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: closed doors, just to cover the basis, so they have
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: the possibility of both of them having to play the
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: other side, Like because you know they're going to ask
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: Lomo to take some snaps on the right side this
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: spring and summer on the right side, so maybe you
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: ask Campbell to take some snaps. I wouldn't do this
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 8: at training camp. I wouldn't do this at an O
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 8: t A that's open to the media, because just wonderful,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 8: it's happening.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: It's happening.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: But you're right, reaction and your fingers would be that
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: would be the reaction, and then we get upset.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: He'd be like George Costanza, Evan's getting upset.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: I would definitely get upset. Yeah, but yeah, is there
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 8: any chance that they because I agree with that, but
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 8: it's the same problem reversed. Like you drafted Lomu with
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: the intent of playing in a position that he's never
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 8: played before, but then you find out that he can't
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 8: play that position, so we're gonna move to the west
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 8: side to move a guy who's never played.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: The other position before. It's the same thing for Campbell.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: He's always played left tackle, so it's not fair to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: him to just say we'll just move over there.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: You can do it, well, Lomo couldn't.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, in this in this hype of thing over,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 10: he's right, but he's the right, he's left. I mean,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 10: not that I can remember Trent Brownish you, I mean,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 10: it's not quite that.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 12: He's not quite that.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: But like, definitely more of your definitely more of your
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: prototypical right tackle, Like he fits the bill of dude
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: a big, long, physical, you know type of guy. I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: was actually surprised that he said that he felt like
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: his run blocking was behind his pass blocking that when
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: they talked to him, and uh, we talked to him
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: at the at the end of the draft. But you know,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I think that he profiles is more of like what
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: the emailer is describing as a road grading glass eating
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: right tackle.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: A lot of glass eating the last week. That's a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: good term.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: The draft weekend.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 12: I like, road grade, Yeah, that's mine. Is Jared Wilson
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 12: a glass eater?
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: Like I feel like we're like putting this like personality
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: on Like well, if any they're not a glass.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: Eater, then they're not.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: He's more of an athlete, isn't he?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 28: Ye very athletics Like I've heard some like oh, this
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 28: felt more like an Elliot draft, And I'm like, is
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 28: that just because you don't have a guy who looks
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 28: to punch people while they're on the ground, like you know, like.
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  Speaker 16: I know.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 12: A little bit, it eventually becomes a bar fight, like
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 12: this is the trenches man.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: The I don't want want to do a bunch of.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 12: You know eventually, like it's you know, you gotta have
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 12: a little bit of.
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  Speaker 3: All right, right, But does Jared wilson't have that? Like
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: I will will smile in the whole place. Yeah, I
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: don't think Jared. I would not say that Jared Wilson's
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: like that, But I think Bryan is not. Likes got
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of fighting them, like you don't
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: need to you know, they don't you know, bite when
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: they're puppies or whatever.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: I know what you're saying, and I get it, like
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: I like to have physical finishers. I like to have
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: physical finishes.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that the guy I just need
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit like I need to feel like the
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: guy is playing with a little bit of an edge.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 10: I see, I did see snaploma grab a guy thrown
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 10: on the ground and you know, pancake there.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: They do exist.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 7: I don't lineman who feel that every snap is a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 7: survival for my man.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: I'm either gonna take, you're not gonna take.
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  Speaker 8: Once's about honor. Once we stepped into all your once
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: you step into that arena, only one of us is coming.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 12: Back, right exactly.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I just I wish they want to be the man
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: in the area.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: He ate glass sounds sound sometimes like these things are
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: become group think, and like so every draft analyst will
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: write the same knock on the player, This one feels
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit more.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 12: On point.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that and that.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: That's just.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: It is what it is, okay. Robin san Diego be
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 7: During Bill's tenure, large gaps between draft picks were generally
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 7: viewed as a negative in previous drafts. The New England
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 7: Pagers traded up several times, which created a pretty significant
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: gap in Day three picks. I'm not saying one approach
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: is right or wrong, but it does seem like a
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: different drafting philosophy.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: What do you think.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: I don't think it was a philosophy. I just think
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: it was circumstance. I don't think any team wants to
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: be out of the round, you know, like Bill used
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: to say, watching the parade go by.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you want to have seventy six picks
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: without I think, you know, it's just the way.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: It happened this year. Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: They also if they had watched the Parade go by
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: in the first and second round, they wouldn't have gotten Lomunacus, right,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: So that was the trade.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 10: Off was what about trading one of those six day
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 10: three picks to get back up at something.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: I do wonder if they tried, that would be the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: one thing, you know, because they could have traded one
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: seventy one and like two sixth to move back into
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: the fourth round.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: I don't remember how it all worked.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: I know they were. Yeah.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 12: I mean, you still would have had the gap, but
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 12: you would have made the gap.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 8: Would have been between the fifth and sixth instead of
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 8: the fourth, and everybody would have rather had that.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 10: I'm not just saying, yeah, you eliminate a good question
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 10: for for Elliott at the end of the draft.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: You know, how'd you feel about that gap? I think
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's a really good question though. Yeah, that's something.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised about the not to go on
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: Paul's side of the street. I was surprised a little
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: bit about the post draft press conference with Elliott. Usually
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: we have some more of like the the hard hitters
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: in there, like asking about, you know, more holistic type
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: of questions.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 12: This is very like people tapped out.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 8: So I'll tell you what I was a little curious
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 8: about is Ryan Cowden again, we just played him in
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 8: our break spoke not after the draft. It was probably
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 8: sixth maybe the sixth round was going on, and then
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 8: Elliott came back. And Elliott spoke the two previous days,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 8: so he came back and wrapped it up again. I
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 8: was a little surprised at both. I would have thought
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 8: they year if he was here at the end of
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: the draft.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 12: They did both.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Ryan Cowden definitely talked last year as well, and I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: wonder if that's one of those weird because he does
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: have the VP title. Could be if he's like required
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: to talk at some point, maybe because he did talk,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: or that could have just been in good will too.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: But he did talk last year. I don't remember who
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: ended it. I don't know if it was I think
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: it was Rable night one and then Elliott.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: Basically what I think it.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 8: Is like, it's it's Saturday, and I'm not excusing anybody,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: but it's Saturday night.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 12: Its yeah, I don't single person.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: It's the end of a long three days. You just
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: heard from Ryan Cowden maybe two hours earlier. Maybe the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 8: media was like, yeah, I already heard from Elliott Wolf
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: twice this week that beer crack I don't.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: Need another one.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: I got what I need.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna file my stories and I'm gonna call it
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: a weekend.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: I totally don't bock at that at all. But it
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: was funny because he got on the call and was like,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: we did it.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: He made it, and then it was like, you know, crickets, yeah,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: rick and Riverside, Rhode Island.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 18: Uh.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 7: My observation, Drake May is the foundation to build on.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: Did the Patriots do enough to help him in this draft?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: I say yes. They added two tackles to increase the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 7: talent level on the O line regardless of where the
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: players line up. The Patriots made the O line more competitive.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Crowd Over could be a surprise player that develops well.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: Eli is a tight end with a ton of potential
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: to develop behind Henry aj will be in addition to
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: the offense, god Willing, this draft was not considered a
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: strong one. I believe the Patriots did a good job
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 7: with the picks they had and the players available.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: I gave them an a oh, good for you.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: I would agree with the last point Brown me too
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: that part too, But I would agree with the premise
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: that the last two drafts they've been that we have had.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: They've been picking three and four. They started in each
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: round at thirty one this time, so just naturally it's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: just not going to be as FIREWORKI it's not going
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: to be as exciting. And you're also just not going
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: to get Campbell Henderson. You know, you're not going to
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: get those guys at the top of the draft that
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: are making immediate impacts when you're picking as late as
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: they were picking. So I think that maybe some of
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: that was just sort of the nature of it.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: I would just you know, this is nitpicking on the email.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: Caleb Lomo.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, that's helping your quarterback. You got a first round tackle.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: You know, Dimitriu's crown Over. I mean, what was they
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 8: picked thirty picks before Marcus Bryant was last year. I
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: don't think anybody said Marcus Bryant was a pick to
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 8: help Drake May last year.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: Now we know what sight unseen that Crownover has a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: chance to be better. You know they've upgraded. I'm not like,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: can we call the Day three guys what they really are?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: You've you've pounded that in my head, possibly.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Taken throwers in Day three. You're hoping for some traits.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: I think I think the Crownover has traits a little
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: I'm a little higher on the crown Over one because
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: of what are telling you not to be higher because
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: of where he started in the process. And I actually
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: asked Elliott Wolfe about it after the draft, like what
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: sort of transpired that caused him to follow a hundred picks,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: and he said, you know, maybe age he's older, he's
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: going to be like twenty four to twenty five his
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: rookie year. And he's also a right tackle only player,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: so he didn't have experience on the left side. Then
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: once you get to that point in the draft, you
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: got to have some versatility. So maybe that was part
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: of it. But when I started watching the tackles back
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: in February, he was ranked in the consensus boards of
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: like to be like a top one hundred pick. And
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: that process ended and he was a sixth rounder. So
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: I have a little bit of hope that that's not
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: the like, no offense to Marcus Bryant, but Marcus Bryan
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: was a late round pick from start to finish.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 12: Crownover I think had some wartz and once people dug in,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 12: he became a later round pack.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: I would just say to that.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 8: You.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: And again I'm saying this derogatorily. I don't mean it
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: to be you.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: People told me there's an enormous drop off once you
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 8: got past seven. Yeah, so Crownover wasn't in that top seven.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 14: He was in.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: Whether he was whether he should have been one hundred
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: and ten or one hundred and ninety six is kind
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: of irrelevant to me. He wasn't considered to be in
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 8: the top seven, and in the seven was thought to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 8: be vastly different than everybody else.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: So the rest of them are all projections. They're all flyers,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: whether you pick him at.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: One ninety six or two twenty, like Marcus Bryant last year,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: in a better draft.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 12: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: I would just say, you know, when we looking at
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: it from the outside, looking in, crown Over was considered
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: to be in sort of like that middle tier.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I saw that.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 12: Markel Bell crown Over Isaiah World, as.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: You'd like to say, the league thought otherwise.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: The league thought otherwise. And I'm still not one hundred
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: percent Like sometimes with guys, there's secret league secret bubbles,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: you know, underneath like red flags off the.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and I don't want to speculate, but World didn't get.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: Jayan Hansen writes in I was pulling into Gillette Stadium
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: for an orthopedic appointment this morning when a cream colored
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 7: Lesus cut me off before the entrance.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: All I could think of was Fred and his parking
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  Speaker 1: lot experience. I don't drive a Uh.
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  Speaker 7: It made me realize how much your show has become
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: part of my weekly activities.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for all you do. You add a little spice
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't you get cut off in the parking lot? No,
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  Speaker 4: I cut people off.
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  Speaker 12: Road range Bred just on the scooter.
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  Speaker 5: He's going around the stadium on the ramps.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: Where's Fred?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: He's riding his scooter out on the ramps.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till Monday, though.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: When you get how's the feeling?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: Next step?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: It's great?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good that the rookies won't see you laid up.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: There I don't want to can't show weakness, don't show weakness.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: Iron sharpens iron.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: I want to keep the morale up. I don't want
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: to think falling apart Bred. You know, you know he
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: can get hurt, I can get hurt.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: But I have to say there. Any time I see
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: one of the scooters, the only person I can think
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: of is Gronk.
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  Speaker 10: Like I think that might have been the first time
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 10: I ever saw one, was like Gronk getting his high,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 10: you know, twenty eleven. I think he like came out
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 10: and dropped the pocket like the Wooster Ice Cats or something.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 8: I can tell you that I saw Mike Rabel, Mike Great,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 8: Mike r Rable as Jared Stillma would say, maybe like
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: four or five buzzing across the parking lot, like one
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: of those weeks. And he's got this thing, and you know,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 8: it was like Friday and he's been like listened as
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: like limited, and I think it came out as like questionable,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: and I'm like seeing Mike leave the he's got this thing,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 8: and I'm saying to myself, I'm no doctor. But Mike
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: game playing Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't want to. He had a friend Fred Scooter.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: I mean ty loss had the fred scooter to really
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  Speaker 5: missed any time.
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  Speaker 4: He Yeah, he didn't miss very many games.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: They broke a forearmy. Is that like a week later?
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  Speaker 4: I remember? I mean, yeah he had he had. I
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  Speaker 4: think he might have had. It's glad he had, like
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  Speaker 6: Something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: The defensive player can be a glass beater, but if
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 12: there was one then.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: David writes in from uh New Mexico regarding the Patriots draft.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people, I was a bit confused.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: On Day three. My mock did have Lomu, Raredan, Prunty,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: and Morton. Wow.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: That's a pretty good mock to see that mock.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: Uh So things were kind of how I expected, though
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: I felt Prunty would be picked later.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: All that said, I liked the draft.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: However, when it came to undrafted free agents, I understand
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 7: Dixon and Kibble, but linebackers Barton sorry Lawson, as well
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: as safety More were available. I would have liked to
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: have seen one of these linebackers and More signed instead
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: of two of the four wide receivers. Do you know
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: if the Patriots tried to get any of the four
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: players I've listed? Wow, he really gets in depth over
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: the four.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: So Deontay laws In, the linebacker from Alabama, had like
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: an extensive injury history that knocked him out of the draft,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: so that that was what was up with him. Lewis Moore,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: I assume was athletic profile stuff. He wasn't the fastest,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: best athlete. I don't know who the other one now
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: and he named were.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: But quick question, how many games did Mike Verbel miss
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: in eight years with the New England Patriots?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: Won six three games?
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 10: Three three games and they were all in two thousand
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 10: and three, so I guess that was maybe three.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: It was in that era somewhere.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 12: Good for him.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: Travis in West Virginia, the lady from North Carolina isn't.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Even a Patriots fan. Tell her to worry about her
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: own team.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: So that was great. I was wondering where she was.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: She's becoming a Patriots fan because it's freak May. So
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: we want to welcome new fans.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: You don't drop an F.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: Bompson just on all like thought.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: The bandwagon is big enough for everyone. Hello everyone, hellover
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: player right, I'm coming in hot. I'm getting more and
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: more excited with.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: The tight end pick and the two tackles for depth. Great,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 7: the aggressive edge guy in Occus whoop. However, however, I
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: feel like the linebacker is crazy weakness. Now they let
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: some decent talent walk and I just can't get my
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 7: head around Gibbons. He played well right back up when
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: Splain was injured.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: He was really good. Then were able to.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: Throw some money at him, or tell him to throw
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: some money at him and bring him back from the Cardinals.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, I just I mean, you know, we brought
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  Speaker 10: up Chad Mooma, They've signed kJ Britt, they brought in
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  Speaker 10: the Obiazor We'll see.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I you know, you just can't have depth
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  Speaker 8: at every position, and this might I do share the
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  Speaker 8: confusion over Gibbons because I think for what you asked
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  Speaker 8: of him, I think he filled that role perfect. I
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  Speaker 8: want I want you to play on my core four
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  Speaker 8: special teams and have the ability to take snaps on
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  Speaker 8: defense if needed. And he I'm not telling you he
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  Speaker 8: was the best I ever saw doing that, but he
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  Speaker 8: filled in admirable you were talking about. He signed for
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  Speaker 8: it with Arizona two years, five million. It's not like
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  Speaker 8: someone said, you know what, we think we can make
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  Speaker 8: him a piece and we're gonna get made million.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, I do wonder now like now that we're
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  Speaker 3: out of not that it truly matters, but like now
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  Speaker 3: we're out of the range of where free agent signings
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  Speaker 3: count towards the compic formula. And I wonder if some
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  Speaker 3: of these veteran linebackers that are still available in free agency.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if there's one signed.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the big name out there probably right now, if
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  Speaker 3: he wants to keep playing, is Bobby Wagner. Matt Mulano is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a free agent. He's coming off a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of injuries in Buffalo, like one more of those guys
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  Speaker 3: that kind of tries to do the you know, the
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  Speaker 3: Joey Galloway or the you know whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I do.
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  Speaker 10: I do see it as a a bit reassuring, just
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  Speaker 10: that they're not going to be married to you know,
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  Speaker 10: because I view Gibbons as a rabel guy goes back
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  Speaker 10: to Tennessee doctor Gibbe's stories about him and all that.
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  Speaker 10: But you know, they're not going to be married to
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  Speaker 10: their little pets. They're going to be married to finding
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  Speaker 10: who's going to be best at the position.
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  Speaker 4: And so I know.
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  Speaker 5: That's how I'm trying to look at it.
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  Speaker 10: That I mean, for whatever we didn't see, they said,
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  Speaker 10: we're going to need more out of this spot, and
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  Speaker 10: maybe we have to take a half step back.
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  Speaker 8: But so that's yeah, I mean that I would go
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  Speaker 8: with the same theory, And that's why I'm confused by
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  Speaker 8: it because I have I find it hard.
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  Speaker 5: To believe because his play, his play look pretty solid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. All right, that's gonna be it for
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  Speaker 1: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. A good show. We'll be
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  Speaker 1: back up Thursday with more. What's going on this week?
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  Speaker 3: Catch twenty two tomorrow, yep, Well, a lot of draft talk.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure bartho make us talk about the dfhase for three.
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  Speaker 4: Upset about the punter situation.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, well, they brought it. They brought it in a punter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they didn't draft one. I think he wanted
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  Speaker 4: a draft one.
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  Speaker 12: Well you will see, but I'm sure I'll have a
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  Speaker 12: take on on that. So we do that tomorrow.
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  Speaker 8: My favorite movie the entire weekend, by the way, the
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  Speaker 8: Punter sign an undrafted punter.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, we will see you on Thursday.
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