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- 0:00Be cautious, I told you, going to the urologist carries with a
- 0:03great risk. If the primary tool you have is
- 0:06a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
- 0:08The urologist are quick to move to biopsy.
- 0:10Why? Because it is their standard of
- 0:12care. The question needs to be asked,
- 0:15why are we biopsying in the 1st place?
- 0:19Is the idea that we can somehow predict the future by the
- 0:23present? That's nonsense.
- 0:26The Gleason score is semi useless when it comes to making
- 0:31decisions about how to manage your prostate, is unneeded,
- 0:35misleading and often times wrong.
- 0:40Is it dangerous to see a urologist for an elevated PSA?
- 0:46Now think about that. It is in fact the routine of
- 0:50medicine. You got a high PSA, Your family
- 0:53doctors worried send you to the urologist.
- 0:55It makes sense on the surface. A urologist is a specialist in
- 1:01the anatomy of the urogenital tract from the bladder through
- 1:05the prostate. It makes sense, but it doesn't
- 1:09really add up when you look at how things flow.
- 1:13There is a distinct risk of harm being done by just floating down
- 1:18that path. I'm not knocking urologist or
- 1:22urology. I was very grateful for the
- 1:25Doctor Who took care of my kidney stone.
- 1:28He was a urologist. That was a high use of his skill
- 1:32set. Prostate cancer and in
- 1:35particular PSA is an entirely different animal.
- 1:39Then my concern about you going into that den is that you're
- 1:45going to get sucked up on the conveyor belt.
- 1:48That is the current standard of care for dealing with an
- 1:51elevated PSA. So the risk is simply 1980s
- 1:56medicine being imposed. In what year are we now 202526?
- 2:01Look at the point being, we're still treating an elevated PSA
- 2:06quite similar to the manner we did 50 years ago.
- 2:11Back then, we had no PSA. Back then, we had no MRI.
- 2:14Back then, we had no PET scanning.
- 2:17Back then, we didn't know what we know now, but prostate biopsy
- 2:22became entrenched as a standard of care.
- 2:26Doctors built their practice around it.
- 2:29Companies made little needles, not little needles, harpoons to
- 2:33biopsy the prostate. The research delved into how can
- 2:39we biopsy the prostate better? Can we target it more
- 2:44accurately? Maybe we'll get an MRI for the
- 2:46purpose of targeting the biopsy. Stop the madness already.
- 2:50This is ridiculous on my opinion.
- 2:54The question needs to be asked, why are we biopsying in the 1st
- 2:58place? Is the idea that we can somehow
- 3:03predict the future by the present?
- 3:05That's nonsense. The Gleason score is semi
- 3:10useless when it comes to making decisions about how to manage
- 3:14your prostate. Is unneeded, misleading and
- 3:17often times wrong. Look, a Gleason score is simply
- 3:22a guy looking at a cell and trying to decide if a a
- 3:25pathologist. Granted looking at cells and
- 3:28trying to describe them. What do they look like?
- 3:30You get 3 different pathologist, you get 3 different Gleason
- 3:33scars. Not needed.
- 3:36We now have the ability to look at the prostate gland.
- 3:40I love getting an MRI. Now be cautious.
- 3:44Be cautious. I told you going to the
- 3:46urologist carries with a great risk, right?
- 3:50Remember that old cliche? If the primary tool you have is
- 3:54a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
- 3:56I've heard this over and over again from my patients when I
- 3:59speak to them. The urologist are quick to move
- 4:02to biopsy. Why?
- 4:03Because it is their standard of care.
- 4:05Because it's what they do. Because they actually believe in
- 4:08it. And they believe in it in part
- 4:10because of the repetitive nature of the feedback they get.
- 4:15They haven't stopped. I mean, think about this, if new
- 4:19information threatens your livelihood, how anxious are you
- 4:24to incorporate that in your practice?
- 4:27I'm a family doc, board certified osteopathic family
- 4:30physician. I come at this with a strong
- 4:33belief that the body is an incredible healing machine and
- 4:37we've got to stop harming it in the spirit of trying to help it.
- 4:42Look, if there's something out there that's going to do you
- 4:45harm, but it has a wonderful success rate, I'm considerate.
- 4:51Consider it. But APSA and prostate cancer,
- 4:54none of the above. Think about that.
- 4:56If the treatments that they had available for prostate cancer
- 4:59were so good, why would they delay?
- 5:03Why would they even consider this concept of watchful
- 5:08waiting, doing nothing, waiting to see what happens?
- 5:11Is a prostate going to go metastatic?
- 5:15Well, we need a biopsy to You can't tell the future.
- 5:18Stop already with this misleading impetus toward a
- 5:22biopsy. We'll do a biopsy now.
- 5:24Active surveillance will stick a needle in it.
- 5:27Question comes up all the time. Will that cause metastatic
- 5:32disease? Will it spread the cancer?
- 5:35Sayeth the urologist. No, there's no proof of that
- 5:38happening. Now, technically, that's a
- 5:42correct answer. Why?
- 5:44Because they never looked. Who would ever stop to look?
- 5:47Nobody really knows, do they? You know, in medicine we have
- 5:51research, like in sciences, research, and it's helpful, it's
- 5:54important. But you can't research
- 5:56everything and you can't rely upon it for every decision you
- 6:01need to make. You need to use your
- 6:03intelligence. You need to use your intuition.
- 6:06You need to use your philosophy, the intelligence part.
- 6:11You have a tumor. You have cancer in the prostate.
- 6:14How do you know that? You've got elevated PSA, You're
- 6:17a certain age, you're above 50, and the MRI of the prostate
- 6:22looks like it's got nodules and tumors within it.
- 6:25You add those pieces up, it's safe to say there's some
- 6:28prostate cancer there. All right, what next?
- 6:32You stick a needle in it? Make it a bloody mess.
- 6:35Not a needle. Multiple sticks in order to do
- 6:39what? Confirm what you already know.
- 6:42I got news guys. If your PSA is elevated and your
- 6:45MRI is abnormal, even if you had a normal negative prostate
- 6:50biopsy, they really wouldn't believe it.
- 6:52They'd want to do another one later.
- 6:54They're going to keep boxing you until they find what they know
- 6:58is there. Here's so many problems with
- 7:00biopsy. Yes, it can spread cancer in my
- 7:03opinion, and there's lots of research based evidence, case
- 7:06studies, small cohorts. There is not a definitive study
- 7:10on this topic and there never will be because the powers that
- 7:15be would be threatened by an outcome that validates the risk
- 7:19of metastatic process. Think about that.
- 7:22The whole industry would collapse.
- 7:24The whole biopsy industry would collapse.
- 7:26The guy who makes the needle, the guy who does the procedure
- 7:29and in sequence the whole harvesting the prostate gland
- 7:34would likely collapse. So the urology halfway.
- 7:39It's not wrong to do it, but it it's potentially dangerous to
- 7:42you, you must go into that environment well armed with your
- 7:48philosophy, with your information, with your personal
- 7:52resolve. Big problem out there.
- 7:55What do you do as an alternative?
- 7:56I have to let my protocol to answer that question to fill
- 8:00that void. The book, I promise you it's
- 8:03coming soon. It's at the editors.
- 8:05And every time I think about it and I talk to you guys and I
- 8:09continue my research, I want to add a little more, add a little
- 8:11more. They're starting to get mad at
- 8:13me. I got to stop.
- 8:14I got to stop. So if you have an appointment
- 8:16next week with the urologist or look, the urologist are, they're
- 8:21by and large they're good people.
- 8:22They care about your health. They just don't have time to
- 8:25talk to you, talks to them. If you're a surgeon, any kind,
- 8:30you get paid to do stuff. You do not get paid to talk or
- 8:36sit around and listen. This is an incredibly complex
- 8:40and nuanced phenomenon in elevated PSA.
- 8:43What to do? Should you just do nothing and
- 8:46get sequential PSA's? Should you get a biopsy?
- 8:49Should you do an MRI? OK, I'll square it up.
- 8:54Elevated PSA is a justification for a non contrast biopsy.
- 9:01Now why non contrast? The, I'm sorry, non contrast
- 9:04MRI. Did I say biopsy?
- 9:06Yikes. No, no biopsy MRI, non contrast.
- 9:10Why non contrast? Because the contrast they use
- 9:13for Mr. is is gadolinium. Now can that harm you?
- 9:19Gadolinium is a heavy metal. We know for a fact it
- 9:22accumulates in the body and in the brain.
- 9:27I don't know about you. I'd rather not have gadolinium
- 9:30in my brain. Doesn't belong there.
- 9:32Now we get to the issue. Does it harm?
- 9:36I sigh. Medicine is so self-serving at
- 9:39times. They did a study to see if
- 9:42gadolinium caused harm. The study lasted 3 years and
- 9:47they did not notice any decline in cognitive function, no memory
- 9:51loss. That they declared the
- 9:53gadolinium to be safe for use, That it does not cause harm?
- 9:58That is misleading and thoroughly inadequate.
- 10:02Whenever the brain gets insulted, injured or damaged,
- 10:06there's about a 20 year lag between the trauma and the
- 10:09manifestation of its consequence.
- 10:12Those football players, by the way, chronic encephalitis,
- 10:17chronic traumatic encephalitis. I got a whole nother take on
- 10:20that, but suffice it to say that any injury to the brain, alcohol
- 10:25free, free radical overload, chronic trauma, any injury to
- 10:30the brain, you got a 20 year lag before you actually start to
- 10:33forget where you put your car keys, right?
- 10:35So this three-year study is semi useless.
- 10:38I don't want gadolinium in my brain.
- 10:40I don't want it in your brain unless, unless it's the absolute
- 10:44positively only way to go. Now the radiologist and your
- 10:48urologist and your doctors will tell you the images are better
- 10:52with contrast. They're correct.
- 10:55It is better, but it's not clinically relevant in my
- 10:59opinion. All the information we need to
- 11:00get from that MRI can be gotten without contrast.
- 11:03OK, so we're clear about that. No contrast.
- 11:05You might have to fight for that, folks.
- 11:07I've had to, I've had to advocate on the, on behalf of
- 11:11some patients because the insurance company didn't want to
- 11:14pay to take the contrast out because the standard of care was
- 11:20with contrast. Yikes.
- 11:23The standard of care should never bulldoze common sense
- 11:26people, your common sense and you know, no biopsy, that is my
- 11:31advocacy against it. You know what I'm like without
- 11:34contrast. Now we've got information.
- 11:37Now we've got objective evidence.
- 11:39Now we can contemplate what to do next.
- 11:41Now, if you have the type of urologist who guide you away
- 11:45from biopsy, if you have the type of urologist who is
- 11:48contemplative and knowledgeable about alternative approaches to
- 11:53support your health, to do things to make your body
- 11:57inhospitable toward the progression of cancer, that's
- 12:01cool, but keep them around. If you have a urologist that you
- 12:06like and you want to have a monitor her monitor you, that's
- 12:09cool too. And if you have a urologist who
- 12:12is open minded and endorses your philosophy, keep them on board.
- 12:19But if you have a urologist who says, well, we have to do, if
- 12:23you hear the word have to coming out of their mouth, that should
- 12:27be a red flag. You don't have to do anything.
- 12:31You can choose to do something with good information.
- 12:35Your PSA is elevated. We have to do a biopsy.
- 12:37You know you don't. In my opinion, the MRI, always,
- 12:41always, probably the urologist ordering an MRI, is that they
- 12:45just see that as a step toward the biopsy.
- 12:49They don't see that as an end unto itself.
- 12:53This idea of a targeted biopsy is utter nonsense.
- 12:56The idea that you can look at an MRI and then stick the needle
- 13:00where the cancer is defies what we know about how cancer
- 13:05behaves. It disseminates.
- 13:07It spreads on a cellular level like tentacles going out
- 13:11throughout the prostate gland. So you're just as likely to get
- 13:15misleading information as helpful information, and you're
- 13:18just as likely to spread the cancer.
- 13:20So back to the initial question then, who do you go to?
- 13:24I mean, I feel bad from these for you, for me, for us.
- 13:28Medicine has become so monopolistic, so dominant, that
- 13:33quite frankly, when you have a high PSAA lot of docs, just like
- 13:38a hot potato baby, they just want to turf that
- 13:41responsibility. However, if you have a good
- 13:46functionally based primary care doctor or nurse practitioner or
- 13:52a very well educated naturopath can fill in this role as well.
- 13:56That type of healthcare expert can help bring temperance,
- 14:01balance and guidance to your journey.
- 14:05I really like nurse practitioners in this world.
- 14:07It's been my experience that there as a group tend to be a
- 14:10little bit more open minded, maybe because they felt the
- 14:12brunt of conventional medicine trying to dismiss their
- 14:16credibility. Maybe that's part of it.
- 14:19So beware of the dogma, beware of the machine.
- 14:22Get off the treadmill, stop and think.
- 14:25Step one, stop and think. You can go to the urologist.
- 14:30In fact, not a bad did do it. In fact, I encourage it on many
- 14:33levels. Why?
- 14:35Because you need to hear the standard of care it it's
- 14:38reasonable for you to hear what the conventional take is because
- 14:42you may choose it. And that's not wrong.
- 14:45It's not what I would advise. It's not what I would choose for
- 14:48myself or my patients. I would never have any man have
- 14:52his prostate gland removed. I would never have any man get
- 14:55radiation. I would never have any man get
- 14:58mercy, get horribly castrated. No, this idea of testosterone
- 15:04annihilation to try to, it's just just awful.
- 15:08Just awful. You will suffer at their hands
- 15:13and for what gain? So just as an example, as an
- 15:17example of how information gets twisted, I'll leave you with
- 15:20this one, one study because I think it's emblematic of what
- 15:24can happen and how information gets disseminated.
- 15:29In 2004, a study was done called the Tax Trial TAX.
- 15:32And the question at hand was, in a man with metastatic prostate
- 15:36cancer, is chemotherapy better than a placebo?
- 15:40Is it, is it helpful? The study concluded that men who
- 15:45received chemotherapy had a statistically significant
- 15:49extension of their lifespan. That trial then validated the
- 15:55role of chemotherapy with all of its horrible side effects, from
- 15:59nausea, vomiting, fatigue to weight loss to infections.
- 16:02Right, Extended lifespan. Do you know how much it extended
- 16:06it? And that study around two
- 16:08months, two months. What are we doing?
- 16:13Where's quality? What are we doing?
- 16:15Where's balance? What are we doing?
- 16:18Where's the time to reflect? Put your philosophy first.
- 16:23Get good information. Prostate cancer is a unique
- 16:27entity. An elevated PSA is not an
- 16:31emergency and it's not a call to impulsive action.
- 16:37So take a breath, Continue your study, continue your search.
- 16:41Do not fall into the whole of purely Internet based medicine,
- 16:46guys. It's out there.
- 16:48I know it is. I know you can order it up.
- 16:51Stuff can come from you, from who knows where, India, China.
- 16:54Look, I'm I'm an internationalist.
- 16:56I got nothing against my brothers throughout the world,
- 17:00but I ain't taking stuff that comes in the mail from No Name
- 17:03Pharmacy out of nowhere. They're good doctors can guide
- 17:06you on this path. So beware of the urologist.
- 17:10Beware of the misguided pathways on the Internet.
- 17:15Know yourself, get the information, then take your
- 17:20time. There are doctors out there that
- 17:23think like I think there are doctors out there that have
- 17:25time, will give you time if they have.
- 17:30So how do you tell if a guy has like the prostate biopsy center
- 17:35of Omaha under Shingle? Yikes.
- 17:39Is a person to avoid in my opinion, right?
- 17:42You want to go to somebody with time who's going to be balanced.
- 17:45All right, The dangers of medicine.
- 17:48It's a real thing. Got to protect yourself folks.
- 17:50And you can. It's a beautiful era with
- 17:53artificial intelligence. With the Internet, you can start
- 17:56to ask pointy, good, sharp, intelligent questions and you
- 18:00can apply your own thought process to the journey you want
- 18:04to go down. Someday I'm going to die.
- 18:07Seems likely. Although I'm an anti aging
- 18:10specialist and I practice anti aging medicine, I don't practice
- 18:15immortality medicine. But there's nothing about us
- 18:21biologically that requires us to age and decay before we die.
- 18:26Stay strong, be vital, fight cancer like a man, live like a
- 18:30man. Do not let them take that from
- 18:33you in the absence of compelling, overwhelming good
- 18:36evidence of benefit. And it's just not there, right
- 18:40gang? I'll talk to you all next time.
- 18:42Thanks for tuning in and being part of this journey with me.