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SNAP Funding During Shutdown | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: It is a Wednesday morning, October twenty nine.
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  Speaker 2: A lot going on.
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  Speaker 1: The Toronto Blue Jays and the Dodgers are tied two
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five miles per hour sustained wins.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, actually they're saying one hundred and eighty five miles
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  Speaker 1: in certain places now.
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  Speaker 2: A lawsuits of brewing.
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  Speaker 1: Two dozen states, mainly blue states, have sued the Trump
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  Speaker 1: administration over the refusal to fund food stamps during the shutdown.
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  Speaker 1: Forty two million low income recipients are looking at hunger
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  Speaker 1: and financial hardship within days because come on the first,
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  Speaker 1: which is a couple of days from now, no food
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  Speaker 1: stamps they normally would get. And what the states are
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  Speaker 1: asking for a federal judge to force Washington to maintain
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  Speaker 1: their benefits. Under the SNAP program, one in eight people
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  Speaker 1: in the US received food stamps about one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven dollars a month, cost the Feds eight billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars every month. Now, lawmakers must regularly approve money for
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  Speaker 1: the program. And here is the issue. If there ain't
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  Speaker 1: no money, there ain't no money.
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  Speaker 2: I get that.
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  Speaker 1: However, the SNAP program has a sizeable reserve to cover
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  Speaker 1: emergencies or shortfalls. There is money in the system, and
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  Speaker 1: the administration is saying no, not going to do it
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  Speaker 1: because part of that political fight is going on between
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  Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, and one of the arguments that the
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  Speaker 1: Republicans are using, we don't have any money.
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  Speaker 2: People are going to starve.
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  Speaker 1: So therefore the Democrats should cave on that continuing resolution
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  Speaker 1: allowing the government to move forward under the terms that
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  Speaker 1: are existing right now, and then we'll negotiate the decrease
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  Speaker 1: in the programs that the Feds are just saying no
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  Speaker 1: to they're cutting them like crazy. We know that, and
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  Speaker 1: so even some Republicans are telling the Trump administration to
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  Speaker 1: use this money into November. And by the way, by
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  Speaker 1: November mid November, it's expected that the government will come
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  Speaker 1: back because we can't keep on going forever, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we can't be shut down forever. So there's enough money there,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully to keep the government to keep the program alive
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  Speaker 1: until the money can be reinstated and the government goes
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  Speaker 1: back to work. This is crazy, though, and this is
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  Speaker 1: a reversal of what happened originally.
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  Speaker 2: The money was going to be used those reserves.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the part that I have a hard time understanding,
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  Speaker 1: and that is these are for the most part, Blue
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  Speaker 1: states that are pushing for a judge to order the
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  Speaker 1: SNAP program to keep on paying recipients while there's money there.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that a judge would not say
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  Speaker 1: that is going. That's going immediately to the appeals court,
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  Speaker 1: going immediately to the Supreme Court, which is probably gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: The president has unlimited powers and can do exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: Even though there's money there. He has the authority to
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  Speaker 1: say no, because this is federal money. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: expect to happen. But the part that I find the
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  Speaker 1: most interesting is the political side of this. The states
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  Speaker 1: that are most affected by not having food stamps, the
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  Speaker 1: poorest states where more people need those food stamps, and
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  Speaker 1: let's say California or Massachusetts, those are red states, and
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  Speaker 1: they support the president. They support the president not giving
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  Speaker 1: or at least support the policies.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they support this one. But these are
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  Speaker 2: red states.
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  Speaker 1: These Republican legislators who back up the president are in
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  Speaker 1: red states. Their people are going to not have enough
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  Speaker 1: to eat, and it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: They have not joined the lawsuit there. I guess politically.
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  Speaker 1: It's either convenient or it's philosophically believe that the president
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  Speaker 1: has the power, should have the power, which is more
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  Speaker 1: important than paying for food stamps where there is money
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  Speaker 1: to pay for food stamps. It's truly gone crazy. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: the LAPD now it's been years since the LAPD used
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  Speaker 1: the licensed clinicians to respond to mental health crisis. When
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  Speaker 1: someone calls in and says, crazy person is there, or
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a mental health issue, or I believe
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  Speaker 1: there is an issue where someone is claiming that that it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not a issue where there is a just.
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  Speaker 1: A bad guy pulling a gun, pulling a knife, there
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  Speaker 1: is a mental health component to that.
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  Speaker 2: So now what where?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it turns out that years ago the LAPD said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna put mental health practitioners there on the street
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  Speaker 1: with the cops. And a report just came out and
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  Speaker 1: it said that the use of licensed clinicians in specialized
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  Speaker 1: units that respond to mental health crisis really don't make
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  Speaker 1: the call at all. They're trained to de escalate, they're
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  Speaker 1: trained to deal with it, and in the end they
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  Speaker 1: have to defer to armed police, and the armed police
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  Speaker 1: end up in many cases shooting them, not the mental
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  Speaker 1: health practitioners, although I'm sure a lot of cops would
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  Speaker 1: want to do that. They end up shooting the suspect,
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  Speaker 1: even if we find out later the guy or usually
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  Speaker 1: as a man, has a true psychotic episode and a
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  Speaker 1: true mental health issue.
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  Speaker 2: And so the report came out that.
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  Speaker 1: These people are effectively not paid attention to for the
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  Speaker 1: most part police officers. While they're trained a little bit
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  Speaker 1: in de escalation, more and more, but still very little
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  Speaker 1: relative to obviously a mental health practitioner. The police have
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  Speaker 1: touted the success of the system wide mental health Assessment
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  Speaker 1: response time and of course the acronym SMART, and the
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  Speaker 1: critics are saying the program which pairs the specialist license
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  Speaker 1: specialists with cops and unmarked cars is failing. It just
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  Speaker 1: isn't working out. And what ends up happening police shootings
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  Speaker 1: mentally ill people occur where they shouldn't occur. Now here's
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  Speaker 1: the LAPD policy still requiring arm patrol officers to clear
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  Speaker 1: a scene of any potential threats beforehand. And traditionally and today,
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  Speaker 1: the police units always take charge. Even on calls where
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  Speaker 1: there's no weapon involved, for example, a person threatening suicide,
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  Speaker 1: the mental health specialists have to defer to the police.
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  Speaker 1: And the report says they had any good That ain't
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  Speaker 1: a good thing. And one of the authors of the
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  Speaker 1: study says, well, smart is pretty much a misnomer in
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  Speaker 1: this case. How is it the word ending up with
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  Speaker 1: so many fatalities when we have mental health people involved. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. How can the cops
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  Speaker 1: not be deferred to? Who makes the call? Who makes
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  Speaker 1: that call? The mental health specialist who is trained to defer,
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  Speaker 1: that's their first response.
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  Speaker 2: Let's defer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's defer, And then what happens if someone get shot
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  Speaker 1: or killed because they guess wrong, And do the cops
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  Speaker 1: sit there and they come in with a gun or
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  Speaker 1: a taser or whatever, and the mental health special list says,
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  Speaker 1: don't don't shoot.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take over from here. And so there is the.
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  Speaker 1: Choice, do you defer to the mental health specialist who's
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  Speaker 1: dealing with this, who is trained in this, who is
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  Speaker 1: trained in de escalation, or do you defer to the
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  Speaker 1: police who make the call, who basically, in many cases
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  Speaker 1: shoot first and ask questions later, particularly if there's a
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  Speaker 1: weapon involved, if particularly if someone is at risk or
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  Speaker 1: they are at risk, because what's the first thing that
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  Speaker 1: someone who is a mental health expert does. Let's try
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  Speaker 1: to de escalate. Put down the knife, put down the gun.
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  Speaker 1: You really don't have to do this, and someone's brains
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  Speaker 1: get splattered on the wall of the liquor store. And
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  Speaker 1: so the argument is which way do you go on
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  Speaker 1: this one? And as far as I'm concerned, I think
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  Speaker 1: you have to defer police. I don't think you have
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  Speaker 1: any choice. And all you can do is train the
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  Speaker 1: police more and more in de escalation and dealing with
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  Speaker 1: mental health, which is why I think that the first
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  Speaker 1: preference in hiring a police officer should be a degree
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  Speaker 1: in psychology.
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  Speaker 2: I think that would help.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing this out as opposed to a cop
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  Speaker 1: who came out of the seal program in the in
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  Speaker 1: the services.
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  Speaker 2: When they were seals.
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  Speaker 1: Man, they're good cops, aren't they Are they trained in
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  Speaker 1: de escalation?
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  Speaker 2: They are not. So it's a tough problem. It's a
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  Speaker 2: tough question who do you defer to?
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  Speaker 1: And the study actually doesn't make any kind of real judgment.
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  Speaker 2: It just says it's not working right now, what do
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  Speaker 2: you do? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical.
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  Speaker 2: Center in Long Beach, Jim, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: When I get right into it, daylight savings and how
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  Speaker 1: it affects people, it doesn't affect me, and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about affecting your body, but I know people that are
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  Speaker 1: wiped out with the change between daylight savings and standard time,
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  Speaker 1: which we're right on top of. When is it, I think,
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  Speaker 1: when do we go back standard time? By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I think in the next few days.
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night, yeah, Saturday night. So we're right, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: right around the corner. Gym.
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  Speaker 1: So how does it affect people? I'm assuming there are
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  Speaker 1: studies out there that deal with this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean consensus that this is just bad
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  Speaker 3: for all of us, right that every time you switch
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  Speaker 3: the calendar or switch the clock, you get people with
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  Speaker 3: that get brain fog. You know, their their motor skills
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  Speaker 3: aren't as good. Car accidents go up, your stress level
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  Speaker 3: goes up, heart attacks go up. So it's all bad basically,
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  Speaker 3: but you know it's worth it because in the summer,
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  Speaker 3: that means that the sun doesn't go down till nine o'clock,
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  Speaker 3: so you can go to work and still get home
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  Speaker 3: in time to serve. So that's the heart attacks. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that makes all the heart attacks work.
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  Speaker 1: Now, didn't this wasn't this originally put into place for
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  Speaker 1: farmers so harvest time they could increase the time they
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  Speaker 1: could spend harvesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, so you know that's what they say.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, and there's probably still some benefits. But
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  Speaker 3: if you just stick to the earlier time, the standard
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  Speaker 3: time where you're getting sunlight into your eyes earlier in
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  Speaker 3: the morning, that's better for your circadian rhythms. You know
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  Speaker 3: you have in your brain, you have anal plan that
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  Speaker 3: kind of moderates your weak sleep cycles and affecting your
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  Speaker 3: hormones like melatonin and cortisol, and then and light in
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  Speaker 3: your eyes basically is a big factor in that. So
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  Speaker 3: that's the problem, is all of a sudden, light's coming
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  Speaker 3: in a different time, it's getting darker earlier, and it
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  Speaker 3: messes people up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I let me make an argument for keeping
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  Speaker 1: daylight saving time for farmers, because those automated computer driven
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  Speaker 1: AI harvesting machines where no human being is anywhere near them,
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  Speaker 1: desperately need the time change, don't they. True.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of places that don't
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  Speaker 3: do daylight saving time and they seem to be just fine.
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  Speaker 3: But no, I agree, it's definitely problematic, and lots of
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  Speaker 3: studies show it. There's no doubt that it causos issues.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, real quick question, and you may not know that
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  Speaker 1: it's not a medical question. Is switching from standard to
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  Speaker 1: daylight savings time and then back again?
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  Speaker 2: Is that unique to the United States? Do they do
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  Speaker 2: it in the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think they do do it in other countries.
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  Speaker 3: I just couldn't, Okay, But even in the US, we
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  Speaker 3: don't do it across every state.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, how is it that one hour, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, screws people up so much? You know, for example,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey is gone for a week, week and a half,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, totally screwed up.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't affect me at all. I couldn't care less.
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  Speaker 1: But why is it that some people are affected to
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  Speaker 1: that extent it's only one.
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  Speaker 3: Hour, Yeah, I mean because you're messing with your sleep
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  Speaker 3: wake cycle, and that it just causes a lot of
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  Speaker 3: issues throughout your whole body. I mean that cycle effects
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  Speaker 3: hormones through your whole body. It effects you know, that
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  Speaker 3: your brain's ability to recover for the day. It affects
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  Speaker 3: so many different things on so many levels that it
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  Speaker 3: really is an issue. And the people who are sleep
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  Speaker 3: deprived to start with, they're the people that are impacted
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  Speaker 3: the most. So teenagers across the board, about fifty percent
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  Speaker 3: of teenagers are sleep deprived. About thirty percent of adult
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  Speaker 3: population is sleep deprived, And those are the people that
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  Speaker 3: are going to get impacted the most. And you can
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  Speaker 3: tell by the way, if you're sleep deprived, if you
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  Speaker 3: easily fall asleep in the middle of the day, that
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  Speaker 3: means you're sleep deprived.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in mind. I have a screwed up sleep cycle,
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  Speaker 1: I as probably everybody on the Morning show, because we
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  Speaker 1: wake up so damn early and then we don't have
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  Speaker 1: a normal day. By the way, just to let you know,
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  Speaker 1: last night I had because I'm sleep deprived, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember this dream.
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  Speaker 2: I had the weirdest dream I've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: And you were in it, Jim, You were in it,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what, you could get arrested for what
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  Speaker 1: you did. Do you know that they have to be
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  Speaker 1: at least eighteen? You know that, don't you?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, boy, Yeah, let's move on to this study.
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  Speaker 1: That finds men need twice as much exercise as women.
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  Speaker 1: And I have never seen a study that in fact
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  Speaker 1: justifies a sex change from a male to female twice
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  Speaker 1: as much exercise. I mean, physiologically, is it that much difference.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently it is. I mean, this is not the only
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  Speaker 3: study that has shown this. So it's building on data
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  Speaker 3: that shows that, you know, men need more to reduce
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  Speaker 3: their cardiovascular risk. But you know, in this case, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was a good study. I mean they had two groups.
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  Speaker 3: One was people with no cornerity disease, and they looked
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  Speaker 3: at them to see if they developed it. And the
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  Speaker 3: second group where people with cornerority disease and they saw
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  Speaker 3: they looked for how often they died. So in each situation,
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  Speaker 3: it's still required twice as much work for the men
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  Speaker 3: as the women, you know. And what they did was
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  Speaker 3: they had accelerometers on them, you know, like the wearables,
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  Speaker 3: So it's hard to tell intensity from that. So maybe
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  Speaker 3: the guys just weren't working out as hard as the
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  Speaker 3: women were for that period of time, or there's something
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  Speaker 3: different about the sexes about how they process it. These
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  Speaker 3: women were mostly in menopausal age, so there could be
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  Speaker 3: hormonal differences. That's kind of the obvious place to go.
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  Speaker 3: It's just hard to say, but definitely body of evidence
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  Speaker 3: is mounting that men need a lot more exercise than
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  Speaker 3: women to reduce their cardiovascular risk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, we spend up here of time talking about risk
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  Speaker 1: of death and diseases, et cetera. And I always ask
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  Speaker 1: about the studies, and because we always talk science, because
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  Speaker 1: both you and I look at science and go we
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  Speaker 1: have to have real studies here as opposed to this
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  Speaker 1: anecdotal crap where people come up with and the conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theorists go crazy with it. In terms of the minimum
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  Speaker 1: amount of exercise that is generally accepted for a fairly
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  Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle, fighting against stroke and heart attack, that sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Where is that intern and what kind of exercise?
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  Speaker 1: How much time? How often?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically just movement, you know, any movement you
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  Speaker 3: can get and moving for at least you know, two
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  Speaker 3: hundred minutes a week is kind of the recommendation of
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  Speaker 3: this study. It showed women need about one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty minutes, men need about two hundred and fifty minutes.
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  Speaker 3: So somewhere in that range per week of movement and
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  Speaker 3: exercise in any activity is going to get you this, so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and the positive way to look at the
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  Speaker 3: study is to say that, look, both men and women
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  Speaker 3: reduce their cardiovascular risk by exercising, and that's been proven again,
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  Speaker 3: so it really does work.
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  Speaker 1: If someone follows all of the recommendations, eating properly and
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  Speaker 1: obviously not smoking or drinking, and exercising and exercising your brain.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean put all of that together, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to live to two hundred and ninety six, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's probably a high end limit. You're going to
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  Speaker 3: live longer. But the more important thing than living longer,
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  Speaker 3: I think you know, having seen lots of people in
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  Speaker 3: the hospital with poor quality of life, is it improves
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  Speaker 3: your quality of life? So the years you do have
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  Speaker 3: are that much better. You can enjoy them that much more.
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  Speaker 3: You're not suffering from pain or exhaustion or you know,
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  Speaker 3: mental fatigue, or you know, it reduces stress, anxiety, depression,
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  Speaker 3: so many benefits from exercise that whether you don't live
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  Speaker 3: a year longer, it's going to improve your quality.
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  Speaker 1: I had a doctor, my interness, who I had for
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  Speaker 1: probably twenty years, who ended up disappearing.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, No one knows where he went.
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  Speaker 1: I called one day for an appointment and we don't
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  Speaker 1: know he's gone, which I thought was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But he was very big into quality of life. I
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  Speaker 1: mean seriously big to the point where he goes, you
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  Speaker 1: know you have quality of life, Yeah, I'll kill you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not a problem. I'll be more than happy
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  Speaker 1: to now. Was he serious? Who the hell knows? Because doctors,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're you know, suffering end of life, paying
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  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. It's not that difficult to sort of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, move the procedure along, is it.
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  Speaker 3: I Mean, I don't think any of us are trying
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  Speaker 3: to move, you know, expedite death. But we're trying to
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: make death comfortable. And I think that you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you talk to pay lead of care experts because this
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  Speaker 3: is their area, or people in that manage hospice patients,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: the goal there is comfort. And if you know, I've
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: seen or people are afraid to use certain medications because
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they think it's going to hasten somebody's death, and it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: It actually on once you relieve somebody's pain who's having
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: difficulty breathing. Those pain eudicins, you know, theoretically suppressed their breathing,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: but I've watched them breathe easier because all of a
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: sudden the pain is gone. So I mean, we're not
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: very good at it. But this is a whole different topic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is, and it's something I want to explore in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: terms of the hypocritical oath that doctors take, and that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: is do no harm. I want to talk about that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: next week and how far does that go because I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: know of doctors who have told me, I don't know
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: whether it's true or not they've ever done it, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I know of doctors that would hasten death because life
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: was so crappy and it was just a lot of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: people ask for death. I mean a lot of people say,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: put me out of my misery. I don't want to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: deal with this. And the concept of a doctor being
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: part of that formula. And we'll talk about that, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I know it's not you and it's not most doctors,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: but I know you have you have feelings about that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and some maybe you've done some thinking about that. We'll
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: pick that up next week because you have plenty of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: time to worm your way out of whatever you're thinking
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that could get you in trouble. Jim, we'll talk again
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  Speaker 1: next week as always, Medical News, Doctor Jim Key, all right,
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  Speaker 1: take care, Chief Medical Officer for Dignity Saint Mary, Medical Senator,
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  Speaker 1: Long Beach. Notice, I always end up with a death topic.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I am constantly just I'm so engaged in death. I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: just like death, the whole topic of death and dead
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: people and all of that. All right, kfi Ami.
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