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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Remember that gorgeous young mom whose husband goes missing and
- 0:11Speaker 2: then she runs out while her husband is missing and
- 0:16Speaker 2: buys a new bed. I'm talking about the Utah mom
- 0:21Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludhel in the last days another bombshell. I'm Nancy Grace.
- 0:26Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
- 0:29Speaker 2: That's right.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Not only did.
- 0:32Speaker 2: Utah mom Jennifer Gludhell rush out and buy a brand
- 0:36Speaker 2: new mattress after her husband goes missing, she also demanded
- 0:41Speaker 2: her dad give for thirteen thousand dollars.
- 0:46Speaker 1: Why that's right.
- 0:47Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludhill demands thirteen thousand dollars from her dad just
- 0:54Speaker 2: days before she allegedly murders her National guardsman husband. We
- 1:00Speaker 2: also learned that at this hour there's another courtroom battle
- 1:04Speaker 2: brewing over of course, life insurance. But first let's talk
- 1:10Speaker 2: about the thirteen thousand dollars demand. This is what we're
- 1:14Speaker 2: learning from court documents we've just obtained. A Utah mom
- 1:18Speaker 2: texts her dad claiming she needed thousands of dollars in
- 1:25Speaker 2: the days just before her husband goes missing. Air Quota
- 1:29Speaker 2: air quote quote, I need thirteen thousand dollars by Friday Okay,
- 1:35Speaker 2: now we're learning this from a formerly sealed search warrant
- 1:39Speaker 2: in court documents. Gladhill sends the message to her dad,
- 1:43Speaker 2: Thomas ray Gluedhill, about seventy two hours before investigators think
- 1:49Speaker 2: she murdered her husband, Matthew Johnson, a National Guardsman. They
- 1:55Speaker 2: also think she murdered him in the master bedroom of
- 1:59Speaker 2: their cat Inwood Heights home.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Now where is that?
- 2:02Speaker 2: That's about ten or twelve miles outside of Salt Lake City.
- 2:07Speaker 1: Hence they buying a new mattress.
- 2:10Speaker 2: Okay, before I get into the life insurance brew Haha,
- 2:14Speaker 2: what do we know about Thomas ray Glaedhill's disappearance?
- 2:18Speaker 3: Trouble is unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City.
- 2:23Speaker 3: US National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for
- 2:28Speaker 3: work and his kids haven't heard from him for days.
- 2:32Speaker 3: Where is Matthew Johnson?
- 2:35Speaker 4: The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,
- 2:37Speaker 4: Jennifer Gledhill reports her husband missing. He should have been
- 2:41Speaker 4: home from base hours ago, and his phone is going
- 2:44Speaker 4: straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never showed
- 2:48Speaker 4: up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she last
- 2:51Speaker 4: saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.
- 2:53Speaker 2: Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.
- 2:59Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence in this case, but bottom line,
- 3:02Speaker 2: where is this husband?
- 3:06Speaker 1: A father, a special ops officer?
- 3:09Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel to make sense of
- 3:10Speaker 2: what we know right now he is still missing again
- 3:15Speaker 2: with me an All Star panel. But first I want
- 3:17Speaker 2: to go straight out to Jennifer Tokowski joining us investigative reporter.
- 3:22Speaker 1: Jennifer, thank you for being with us.
- 3:24Speaker 2: This is some ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct,
- 3:28Speaker 2: tell me about it.
- 3:29Speaker 5: Cottonwood Heights, Utah, is located just about sixteen miles away
- 3:34Speaker 5: from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,
- 3:38Speaker 5: a million dollar homes. It's very uppity. I mean something
- 3:44Speaker 5: where somewhere that you would never expect something like what
- 3:49Speaker 5: is unfolding to happen.
- 3:51Speaker 2: There is a massive search for the victim in this case.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with
- 3:59Speaker 2: a huge house, note three children, and every picture I
- 4:03Speaker 2: see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving
- 4:06Speaker 2: fancy cars, the whole shebang. Joining me, Raymond Judice, high
- 4:11Speaker 2: profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction Raymond. Very often
- 4:16Speaker 2: when a guy goes missing like this, you know, they say, well.
- 4:20Speaker 1: I'm going to go get a loaf of bread, and
- 4:21Speaker 1: they never come back. They just start a new life.
- 4:25Speaker 2: And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows
- 4:30Speaker 2: how to disappear.
- 4:31Speaker 1: Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for
- 4:33Speaker 1: that huge If you've seen the house, it's.
- 4:36Speaker 2: Huge, and they've got that. He's got the wife, the
- 4:39Speaker 2: designer clothes, the fancy cars, the pool, the works, and
- 4:44Speaker 2: you know, sometimes people just take a power and leave Nancy.
- 4:48Speaker 6: Back in the seventies is a book called Run Rabbit Run,
- 4:51Speaker 6: and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too
- 4:54Speaker 6: many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go
- 4:58Speaker 6: to work every day, childwood on the weekend, taking the
- 5:00Speaker 6: kids to soccer. And this guy just says that's enough, Hey.
- 5:04Speaker 7: I'll be back.
- 5:05Speaker 6: As you said, I'm going to go to them to
- 5:06Speaker 6: the quickie market and get a loaf of bread.
- 5:09Speaker 7: And he just keeps running.
- 5:11Speaker 6: That's not unusual. It's not unusual on you know, post COVID.
- 5:15Speaker 6: I think we all look back on the pressures that
- 5:18Speaker 6: were all under to obtain, you know, the brass ring
- 5:22Speaker 6: of life, when maybe living simply might be better.
- 5:26Speaker 2: You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest
- 5:29Speaker 2: today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant
- 5:34Speaker 2: there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department.
- 5:36Speaker 1: Sergeant Young, I've got so many questions for you.
- 5:39Speaker 2: But when we're saying deadbeat dad, I mean I'd be
- 5:43Speaker 2: running a one hundred and fifty person arraignment calendar, all felonies,
- 5:48Speaker 2: of course.
- 5:50Speaker 1: And there would be a huge throng of people in
- 5:52Speaker 1: the hall. Who were they? They would be the.
- 5:55Speaker 2: Second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad. There'll
- 6:00Speaker 2: be just as many of them as there were of
- 6:02Speaker 2: criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists, child molester's, artists, the works,
- 6:08Speaker 2: drug lords. I'm like, who are those guys? Are they
- 6:11Speaker 2: on the calendar? If so, they need to be in
- 6:12Speaker 2: the courtroom. I'm going to bond forfeit them. And they're like, no, no, no,
- 6:16Speaker 2: they're all the deadbeat dads. So when you get a
- 6:20Speaker 2: dad that goes missing, my first thought would be dead
- 6:25Speaker 2: beat Agree or disagree?
- 6:27Speaker 8: Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would. I would think that
- 6:30Speaker 8: that would be the easiest explanation. If you know, if
- 6:32Speaker 8: someone just disappeared off the radar, you know, are they
- 6:35Speaker 8: trying to escape something, are they having a stressful life?
- 6:38Speaker 7: Are they going to go commit suicide?
- 6:39Speaker 8: You know, who knows what would lead someone to go
- 6:42Speaker 8: off the radar and originally on.
- 6:45Speaker 2: Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, Wait a minute, suicide, Wait
- 6:50Speaker 2: a minute. I find it much more often that the
- 6:53Speaker 2: deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's going
- 6:59Speaker 2: to commit suicide. He's dumping the family and the wife
- 7:04Speaker 2: and the house and the payment and the cars and
- 7:07Speaker 2: the college funds and the braces and the whole shebang
- 7:10Speaker 2: from his thing. That is what I would immediately think.
- 7:13Speaker 2: I would immediately think, oh, he's killed himself. Men leave
- 7:18Speaker 2: home every day, thousands of them a day, and typically, yeah,
- 7:24Speaker 2: I know, women leave too, but typically the woman is
- 7:27Speaker 2: left behind to raise the children, pay the bills, and
- 7:31Speaker 2: somehow cobble it all back together again. So in this case,
- 7:37Speaker 2: when you first hear he's gone, did you immediately think.
- 7:42Speaker 1: Suicide, left the country. What was your immediate thought?
- 7:47Speaker 2: Did you ever even consider he just got tired of
- 7:50Speaker 2: paying all the bills?
- 7:51Speaker 8: My original thought was that these has taking a break.
- 7:54Speaker 8: I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I
- 7:56Speaker 8: thought he was just kind of going off the radar
- 7:58Speaker 8: and we'd find him coming back into few days, you know,
- 8:01Speaker 8: a week at the most that he would.
- 8:02Speaker 7: Be coming back.
- 8:03Speaker 2: Okay, Sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and
- 8:08Speaker 2: a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm
- 8:12Speaker 2: on your side.
- 8:13Speaker 1: Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence, taking
- 8:20Speaker 1: a break?
- 8:22Speaker 2: How what huh? Taking a break from your family? What
- 8:27Speaker 2: does take a break mean? Sergeant Gary Young?
- 8:32Speaker 8: Well, in your context, I was saying escaping his situation.
- 8:37Speaker 8: That's what I referred to as taking a break. I
- 8:41Speaker 8: assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back
- 8:44Speaker 8: home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.
- 8:49Speaker 8: There were no indications that he was that type of
- 8:50Speaker 8: person he would just abandon his family. Now he's missing.
- 8:55Speaker 8: He was reported as missing, and you know, we put
- 8:58Speaker 8: out a press at least asking for the public's helped
- 9:01Speaker 8: identify him, look for his truck.
- 9:04Speaker 7: You know, if anyone has contact with him.
- 9:06Speaker 8: To please have him return so we could close out
- 9:08Speaker 8: the missing persons and reunite him with his family. To
- 9:12Speaker 8: tell you the truth, I didn't think about felling abandonment
- 9:14Speaker 8: when we took this call.
- 9:16Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.
- 9:20Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.
- 9:23Speaker 2: He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So
- 9:26Speaker 2: you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,
- 9:30Speaker 2: as you euphemistically put it, No history of that, no
- 9:34Speaker 2: history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that
- 9:39Speaker 2: in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that
- 9:44Speaker 2: puts things in an entirely different light.
- 9:49Speaker 1: Listen to this.
- 9:49Speaker 4: As Cottonwood Heids Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,
- 9:53Speaker 4: a call goes out for the public's help in finding
- 9:56Speaker 4: not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is just
- 10:00Speaker 4: I'm just standing five foot nine, weigh one hundred and
- 10:02Speaker 4: seventy eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.
- 10:06Speaker 4: Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pickup.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well.
- 10:14Speaker 8: We're in a I have a pickup truck myself. We're
- 10:18Speaker 8: in we're in the West and pickup trucks are a
- 10:22Speaker 8: very good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them,
- 10:25Speaker 8: you can drive in luxury. You know, they seat five
- 10:29Speaker 8: to six people, and they're pretty decent trucks. And when
- 10:32Speaker 8: you think about pickups, the fifteen hundred is the lower
- 10:35Speaker 8: end of the pickup class.
- 10:38Speaker 7: So I think it's a good family vehicle.
- 10:41Speaker 8: It's just what a you know, a strapping young man
- 10:47Speaker 8: like Matthew Johnson would drive, would be a pickup truck.
- 10:52Speaker 8: That's my deal truck.
- 10:53Speaker 2: I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen
- 10:55Speaker 2: hundred was heavy duty. He is special What exactly does
- 11:03Speaker 2: that mean in this scenario?
- 11:07Speaker 1: Why was he special ops? What does that entail for him?
- 11:09Speaker 8: He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,
- 11:12Speaker 8: several times overseas on the warrant.
- 11:14Speaker 2: Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your
- 11:17Speaker 2: plate to the public.
- 11:18Speaker 8: I asked our local affiliates in the press if they
- 11:22Speaker 8: would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing person
- 11:24Speaker 8: for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's
- 11:28Speaker 8: lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,
- 11:33Speaker 8: a recent photo and his picture of his truck, and
- 11:36Speaker 8: then asked for the public's assistance. If they've seen him
- 11:39Speaker 8: or his truck, or maybe he has a friend that
- 11:41Speaker 8: is in contact with them, they will be able to
- 11:43Speaker 8: come forward. And we would like to resolve that missing persons,
- 11:46Speaker 8: would like to make it a found person case.
- 11:49Speaker 7: And so that's the information we put out.
- 11:56Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray. Within seventy two hours before
- 12:04Speaker 2: Jennifer Gluedhill's husband vanishes into thin air, she texts her
- 12:09Speaker 2: dad demanding thirteen thousand dollars. No explanation, just I need
- 12:15Speaker 2: thirteen thousand dollars. Okay, But that's not all. A new
- 12:22Speaker 2: question surfaces in the Jennifer Glaedhill case. What happens to
- 12:27Speaker 2: the husband's life insurance payout? Because Gladhill is the sole
- 12:33Speaker 2: beneficiary of a half a million dollar Prudential life insurance
- 12:37Speaker 2: policy Matthew took out with her under suspicion of her
- 12:42Speaker 2: husband's death. Nobody yet Prudential is asking the court for
- 12:47Speaker 2: guidance on who should get the money. Well, you know,
- 12:50Speaker 2: before we get to the money, can we talk about
- 12:54Speaker 2: the missing husband. When was the last time this loving
- 12:58Speaker 2: husband and father had been seen live?
- 13:00Speaker 9: Listen the last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone
- 13:03Speaker 9: other than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported
- 13:06Speaker 9: missing at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember
- 13:10Speaker 9: seeing Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,
- 13:14Speaker 9: even with his children stop entirely.
- 13:16Speaker 1: We're hearing a.
- 13:17Speaker 2: Lot about the truck. Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,
- 13:21Speaker 2: that when you're looking for a missing person, you're also
- 13:24Speaker 2: looking for their vehicle.
- 13:25Speaker 8: Yes, no, I'm saying, yes, that's how they get to
- 13:28Speaker 8: and from work. They go about their daily lives and
- 13:32Speaker 8: pursuits as they drive their personal vehicle, and so ideally
- 13:35Speaker 8: he would be with his vehicle.
- 13:37Speaker 2: We just saw the same scenario in the case of
- 13:41Speaker 2: two missing moms on their way to take children to
- 13:46Speaker 2: a birthday party.
- 13:47Speaker 1: There was an all out search for.
- 13:49Speaker 2: Them until their vehicle was found on a remote country
- 13:53Speaker 2: road with a pool of blood nearby a glass from
- 13:57Speaker 2: the window. Their bodies later found stuffed into an ice
- 14:01Speaker 2: chest and buried in a cow pasture, deep deeply buried
- 14:06Speaker 2: and then covered with dirt and chunks of cement. What
- 14:09Speaker 2: crack that case? The discovery of the car in this case.
- 14:15Speaker 4: Listen ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing. His
- 14:18Speaker 4: truck is finally recovered. It's parked on the street, not
- 14:21Speaker 4: even a mile from his million dollar home. The truck
- 14:25Speaker 4: is locked with gas in the tank. Inside the truck,
- 14:28Speaker 4: nothing appears out of the ordinary, but cops do not
- 14:31Speaker 4: find any more of Matthew's belongings. Investigators begin processing the
- 14:35Speaker 4: truck for any evidence that would explain what happened to Johnson.
- 14:39Speaker 4: Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day
- 14:41Speaker 4: Johnson went missing.
- 14:43Speaker 2: Very curious none of his belongings in his truck.
- 14:47Speaker 1: Wouldn't you expect something?
- 14:49Speaker 2: I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will
- 14:52Speaker 2: probably find items belonging to the twins. You will find
- 14:56Speaker 2: dog treats, you will find oh cups of tea, and
- 15:01Speaker 2: there are all sorts of indications that somebody has just
- 15:05Speaker 2: driven the truck. So Sergeant Gary Young joining us sergeant
- 15:09Speaker 2: with the Cottonwood Heights PD on the case of a
- 15:13Speaker 2: missing husband and father. When you find a truck about
- 15:18Speaker 2: a mile away from their million dollar home, there's nothing
- 15:21Speaker 2: in there that belongs to him.
- 15:22Speaker 8: There was nothing in there that and indicat that he'd
- 15:24Speaker 8: been sleeping in his car or living in his car.
- 15:28Speaker 7: And I have to correct that statement.
- 15:30Speaker 8: It was about block and a half, almost two blocks
- 15:32Speaker 8: away from his house where the vehicle was located, and
- 15:36Speaker 8: that aroused our suspicion.
- 15:38Speaker 2: And I'm very curious, Sergeant Young, if it's that close
- 15:41Speaker 2: to the home, why did it take so long to
- 15:45Speaker 2: find it.
- 15:45Speaker 8: The way it's it's positioned on the roadway. It's a
- 15:48Speaker 8: cul de sac or a dead end street. There's not
- 15:51Speaker 8: a lot of traffic volume in there, and it was
- 15:53Speaker 8: just parked in front of that, you know, in a
- 15:55Speaker 8: residential neighborhood, in a cul de sac or a dead end,
- 15:58Speaker 8: and so we didn't find that vehicle for several days.
- 16:03Speaker 2: Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.
- 16:08Speaker 2: He's a bloodstained pattern analyst at No Slow Forensic Consultation,
- 16:14Speaker 2: formerly with Miami DADPD. Can I tell you never a
- 16:19Speaker 2: lack of business for a forensics expert at Miami Day Okay.
- 16:25Speaker 2: You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.
- 16:29Speaker 2: And he is an author of a book coming out
- 16:33Speaker 2: December thirteen, which is on my must read list.
- 16:36Speaker 1: I don't say that very often.
- 16:37Speaker 2: Toby called handbook a bloodstained pattern analysis.
- 16:45Speaker 1: Now that's going to be some good reading.
- 16:47Speaker 2: Toby Handbook a blood stained pattern analysis.
- 16:50Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to you about right.
- 16:52Speaker 2: Now, in light of your experience with the Department's Forensic
- 16:56Speaker 2: Services Bureau at Miami Dade, if there had been foul play, Toby,
- 17:01Speaker 2: what would you have expected to.
- 17:02Speaker 1: Find in that Dodge fifteen hundred.
- 17:05Speaker 10: Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it
- 17:07Speaker 10: occurs in the truck, then we would process the truck
- 17:11Speaker 10: looking for any evidence of biological materials, most likely blood,
- 17:17Speaker 10: because it's not normal to find a lot of blood
- 17:21Speaker 10: or that in a vehicle. You know, if you think
- 17:24Speaker 10: the truck was used for transport, then the bed of
- 17:26Speaker 10: the truck becomes the area of high interest because it's
- 17:31Speaker 10: easier to put a body in the bed of a
- 17:33Speaker 10: pickup truck than it is in the count.
- 17:35Speaker 2: That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.
- 17:39Speaker 2: I mean, when you're talking about a vehicle to Raymonds,
- 17:42Speaker 2: you to Chay, just the importance of a vehicle cannot
- 17:46Speaker 2: be emphasized enough.
- 17:47Speaker 1: Just let me throw off one example. Top mom Casey Anthony.
- 17:51Speaker 2: The mom the grandma opens the door, Okay, Sindy Anthony
- 18:00Speaker 2: or daughter top mom Ksey Anthony's car, and she goes
- 18:03Speaker 2: WHOA and she tells nine one one. It smells like
- 18:06Speaker 2: a dead body. Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk
- 18:10Speaker 2: of top Mom's car. And you know, Ray, you and
- 18:13Speaker 2: I've been to a lot of mercies, you never mistake
- 18:15Speaker 2: that smell.
- 18:17Speaker 1: Ever. So, also in the trunk from which the dead body.
- 18:22Speaker 2: Smell is emanating is found a hair of baby Kelly,
- 18:27Speaker 2: two year old Kelly. Now it's identified through mitochondrial DNA,
- 18:32Speaker 2: which you and I know means DNA of the mother. Specifically,
- 18:37Speaker 2: that means that hair could only belong to three people,
- 18:41Speaker 2: the grandmother Cindy Anthony, the mother, top Mom Casey Anthony,
- 18:45Speaker 2: or the baby Kelly. It was not the grandmother because
- 18:49Speaker 2: her hair had been died blonde. It was not the
- 18:52Speaker 2: mother Top Mom because her hair had also been treated.
- 18:56Speaker 2: This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a natural hair,
- 19:01Speaker 2: a child's hair. It was Cally's hair. And the trunk
- 19:07Speaker 2: that smelt like a dead body. Okay. That is why
- 19:12Speaker 2: a vehicle is so important. Agree, disagree, totally agree.
- 19:15Speaker 1: And also the positioning.
- 19:17Speaker 7: Of the vehicle in the case at bar.
- 19:20Speaker 6: That pickup truck is close to the scene of the crime.
- 19:24Speaker 6: That means somebody could have driven it there, hidden it,
- 19:27Speaker 6: quote unquote, and walked back to the scene of the crime.
- 19:31Speaker 7: I would all try might.
- 19:32Speaker 2: Just drive it off and burn it, like any self
- 19:36Speaker 2: respecting criminal would do.
- 19:38Speaker 6: I don't disagree with that, but I also say that
- 19:40Speaker 6: in a million dollar plus neighborhood, I'll bet there's a
- 19:43Speaker 6: whole lot of ring security cameras facing out from all
- 19:48Speaker 6: the homes and the cul de sac that show that
- 19:50Speaker 6: pick them up. Chuck, get in parked, and somebody get
- 19:54Speaker 6: out of the driver's seat.
- 19:55Speaker 2: Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you
- 19:59Speaker 2: said leave the truck and walk back.
- 20:03Speaker 1: So right there, you're saying walk back.
- 20:07Speaker 2: It's got to be within walking distance. Why would you
- 20:11Speaker 2: leave the truck right there?
- 20:14Speaker 1: Okay?
- 20:14Speaker 2: Another issue? Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody
- 20:18Speaker 2: on the panel, all you League Legal is listening right now.
- 20:21Speaker 2: Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just
- 20:27Speaker 2: got her master's, beloved by all of her students, just disappears.
- 20:33Speaker 1: Okay, how did that happen?
- 20:35Speaker 2: And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.
- 20:39Speaker 2: I remember going through her house with her mother and
- 20:43Speaker 2: it looked like a little jewelry box. It was perfectly appointed,
- 20:46Speaker 2: beautifully decorated, all by hand, not some fancy interior designer.
- 20:52Speaker 2: But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.
- 20:58Speaker 2: Have you ever met one.
- 20:58Speaker 1: Of those people?
- 20:59Speaker 2: What do you call, doctor Chlobe Carmichael that everything has
- 21:03Speaker 2: to be exactly in the right place?
- 21:06Speaker 1: What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?
- 21:08Speaker 11: It's an obsessive pass person and they are often considered
- 21:12Speaker 11: anal retentive as well. You just combined the terms though.
- 21:15Speaker 1: I did that. Okay, hey, you're the shrink. I'm just
- 21:18Speaker 1: a trial lawyer.
- 21:19Speaker 2: That's why I have you to correct me. So obsessive compulsive, yes,
- 21:24Speaker 2: So in a case like that, when you see something
- 21:27Speaker 2: totally out of the ordinary, here is this obsessive compulsive
- 21:32Speaker 2: perfectly neat. Every thing had to be in place, and
- 21:35Speaker 2: her bed was like pushed over, crooked in the room.
- 21:41Speaker 2: And I looked at her mother and I said, why
- 21:43Speaker 2: is her bed crooked? And she said, I don't know,
- 21:46Speaker 2: I've never seen it like that before. Then I found
- 21:50Speaker 2: out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found out that Terra
- 21:57Speaker 2: Grin said also her coulion, she's an eat nick. She's
- 22:02Speaker 2: not crazy. Extended to her car. Have you ever met
- 22:05Speaker 2: those people? Their car still smells new after like three years,
- 22:09Speaker 2: it's still perfect.
- 22:11Speaker 1: She was like that with her car.
- 22:12Speaker 2: Her car, I believe it was white. There was mud
- 22:17Speaker 2: all up both sides of her car. I'm like, whoa, Okay,
- 22:21Speaker 2: that's not right, that's not right. The seat, the driver's
- 22:25Speaker 2: seat was way back. There's no way she could have
- 22:30Speaker 2: even reached the gas pedal.
- 22:33Speaker 1: If with a seat back that far.
- 22:35Speaker 2: In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops hebby.
- 22:41Speaker 1: Where was his seat when the vehicle.
- 22:43Speaker 8: Was located and towed to our evidence processing? It was
- 22:46Speaker 8: It was left in the same position as founded and
- 22:48Speaker 8: they haven't adjusted it.
- 22:49Speaker 2: A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in plain sight.
- 22:53Speaker 2: A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out
- 22:58Speaker 2: Mommy makes a huge where is the missing dad?
- 23:04Speaker 1: Who are these people? Listen?
- 23:06Speaker 9: Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome
- 23:10Speaker 9: three children, now eleven, seven, and five. During more than
- 23:13Speaker 9: a decade of marriage. The family settles in Cottonwood Heights,
- 23:16Speaker 9: a suburb of Salt Lake City, living in a home
- 23:18Speaker 9: worth nearly a million dollars. Matthew Johnson is still active military,
- 23:22Speaker 9: serving as a National Guardsman. In the Special Option, in
- 23:25Speaker 9: Johnson takes a brief leave of absence while the children
- 23:27Speaker 9: return to school.
- 23:28Speaker 2: In the last hours, we discover you Tah Mom, Jennifer
- 23:32Speaker 2: Gladhill not only demanded thousands of dollars from her dad
- 23:38Speaker 2: via text just before her husband disappears, that a battle
- 23:42Speaker 2: is brewing over her husband's half a million dollar life
- 23:46Speaker 2: insurance policy. Right now, Prudential is saying, we're just going
- 23:50Speaker 2: to give the money to the court and let you
- 23:51Speaker 2: figure it all out. They don't want any part of
- 23:54Speaker 2: this dogfight. After reading court document, Silarm Prudential agrees that
- 23:58Speaker 2: money's got to go somewhere, either Gledhill or the couple's
- 24:02Speaker 2: minor children who were not listed as beneficiaries.
- 24:07Speaker 1: The company's problem.
- 24:09Speaker 2: Is if they pay the wrong party, they could face
- 24:12Speaker 2: legal problems later. Like then they have to pay the
- 24:14Speaker 2: right party after the wrong party. He's already spent the
- 24:16Speaker 2: half a mill They don't want to pay half a
- 24:20Speaker 2: million dollars two or three times?
- 24:23Speaker 1: Do you blame them?
- 24:24Speaker 2: But back to the facts of Thomas's disappearance.
- 24:28Speaker 12: Cottonwood Heights pded search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the
- 24:31Speaker 12: fact that the couple is in the midst of a
- 24:33Speaker 12: contentious divorce. Jennifer Gledhill initiated the split in July, with
- 24:37Speaker 12: proceedings set to be finalized by the end of October.
- 24:39Speaker 12: Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has
- 24:43Speaker 12: been violent with her in the past.
- 24:45Speaker 2: Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in
- 24:49Speaker 2: the past, But that is not what a judge said.
- 24:54Speaker 1: Listen.
- 24:55Speaker 12: Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files
- 24:58Speaker 12: for a protective order against t Johnson. A temporary order
- 25:01Speaker 12: is granted, but Gledhill must prove abuse at the hands
- 25:05Speaker 12: of her husband for anything more permanent. After reviewing text
- 25:08Speaker 12: messages and footage Gledhill taped of several altercations, a judge
- 25:11Speaker 12: dismisses the order. The judge says the evidence shows Gledhill
- 25:15Speaker 12: is equally confrontational and belittling and demeaning to her husband.
- 25:19Speaker 2: Okay, let's go through a lawyer that has handled plenty
- 25:23Speaker 2: of similar disputes, Raymond Judice. What does all of that mean?
- 25:28Speaker 2: That is in civil court, not my arena. But I
- 25:33Speaker 2: know this. She goes for a tro temporary restraining order,
- 25:37Speaker 2: and the judge won't do it.
- 25:39Speaker 1: He will not extend that.
- 25:40Speaker 2: He says, the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.
- 25:45Speaker 6: The standard procedure is that when as someone who feels
- 25:49Speaker 6: they were abused goes to the courthouse, in a civil
- 25:52Speaker 6: court clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order,
- 25:56Speaker 6: temporary restraining order, same thing that is all atomatically granted
- 26:01Speaker 6: right then and there with an emergency hearing set in
- 26:04Speaker 6: front of a judge as quickly as possible, generally within
- 26:07Speaker 6: a few days. That is the hearing that we're referencing
- 26:11Speaker 6: where the judge took evidence from both sides, allegedly reviewed
- 26:16Speaker 6: text messages and some videotape and testimony, and that judge
- 26:20Speaker 6: found that there wasn't enough evidence to grant a permanent
- 26:24Speaker 6: protective order restraining order, and he dismissed the temporary restraining
- 26:28Speaker 6: protective order against.
- 26:31Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson you today, have you ever been in court
- 26:33Speaker 2: and the lawyer for the other side introduced to something
- 26:37Speaker 2: and you're sitting there going, oh, mustars, that helps.
- 26:40Speaker 1: Me, and it totally backfires.
- 26:44Speaker 2: And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,
- 26:49Speaker 2: have every prop have every poster or every piece of evidence.
- 26:53Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?
- 26:56Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the SIPs and glove,
- 27:00Speaker 2: he put it over two.
- 27:01Speaker 1: Singers and went, Okay, it won't fit. And what were
- 27:03Speaker 1: they gonna do?
- 27:03Speaker 2: Chris Darden russell them in court and make it go
- 27:06Speaker 2: down over his hand that said, never ever play anything
- 27:11Speaker 2: or bring in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because
- 27:16Speaker 2: when this wife, Jennifer Gladhiel brings in the video to
- 27:23Speaker 2: show the judge why she should get the house and
- 27:27Speaker 2: the money and the children in this tro like kick
- 27:30Speaker 2: Kim out of the house, he goes, Lady, that doesn't
- 27:34Speaker 2: really help you.
- 27:35Speaker 4: Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as
- 27:39Speaker 4: proof in Gldhill's fight for a permanent order. One video
- 27:43Speaker 4: shows Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo.
- 27:46Speaker 4: His demeanor calm. Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order,
- 27:51Speaker 4: determining there was no abuse. He describes the couple's relationship
- 27:56Speaker 4: as highly dysfunctional, adding both parties were equally confrontational and
- 28:01Speaker 4: that Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson The
- 28:04Speaker 4: commissioner said, the request for a restraining order appears to
- 28:08Speaker 4: be a litigation tactic in the pending divorce.
- 28:11Speaker 9: Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Coinwood Hides
- 28:15Speaker 9: PD gets a call from a friend of Jennifer Gludhill's.
- 28:18Speaker 9: The friend claims Gluhill called before reporting Matthew missing, giving
- 28:22Speaker 9: a very different version of events, a.
- 28:24Speaker 2: Very different version of events. What she changes her story?
- 28:29Speaker 1: Oh, yes, she changes the story.
- 28:32Speaker 2: And based on that very different version of events, the
- 28:37Speaker 2: dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping. Why did she call
- 28:45Speaker 2: her friend and give a different version of events?
- 28:49Speaker 1: What happens next? Listen?
- 28:50Speaker 9: Conwood Hights PD execute a search for in at the
- 28:52Speaker 9: couple's home. Cops confirmed the suspicion that Gludhill replaced the
- 28:56Speaker 9: mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving three
- 28:59Speaker 9: days after her husband's disappearance.
- 29:02Speaker 2: Uh oh, your husband goes missing, a new order, a
- 29:06Speaker 2: new mattress. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, I find that very unusual
- 29:12Speaker 2: at a time when you need to be scouring the
- 29:14Speaker 2: whole county trying to find your husband, pouring out her
- 29:17Speaker 2: credit cards and ATM transactions to try to find him.
- 29:20Speaker 2: She goes, Wow, I've got a lumpy mattress. That doesn't
- 29:25Speaker 2: make sense, doctor Chloe.
- 29:26Speaker 11: No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had
- 29:29Speaker 11: a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking
- 29:32Speaker 11: more about trying to kind of get rid of things,
- 29:35Speaker 11: not you know, buy new things when there's likely going
- 29:38Speaker 11: to be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe
- 29:41Speaker 11: what psychologists call impression management, when a person you know,
- 29:46Speaker 11: goes out of their way to try to frame the
- 29:48Speaker 11: other person as as a victim, or rather frame the
- 29:52Speaker 11: other person as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,
- 29:55Speaker 11: you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they
- 29:59Speaker 11: don't actually show anything incriminating, and there's a lack of
- 30:03Speaker 11: any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries
- 30:07Speaker 11: or bruising or anything like that. I also find it
- 30:10Speaker 11: unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if
- 30:15Speaker 11: there had been some sort of a conflict. You know,
- 30:17Speaker 11: if she was calling to make a second report about
- 30:20Speaker 11: a conflict, why would she not have just told him
- 30:23Speaker 11: everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,
- 30:26Speaker 11: maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.
- 30:29Speaker 11: So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing
- 30:32Speaker 11: her story and then possibly making you know, private statements
- 30:36Speaker 11: to somebody else. She's not appearing like a consistent witness here.
- 30:40Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining US, Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,
- 30:45Speaker 2: I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about
- 30:49Speaker 2: five minutes. Max I was in a giant babies or
- 30:54Speaker 2: us and I turned around and I had my daughter
- 31:00Speaker 2: was still standing there, but my son was gone. He's
- 31:03Speaker 2: only two and a half three. I picked her up
- 31:06Speaker 2: like football and started running, screaming bloody murder to lock
- 31:13Speaker 2: the front doors and the back doors because my son
- 31:16Speaker 2: was missing. I didn't think about ordering any mattress in
- 31:20Speaker 2: that moment. I didn't gather my things that I had
- 31:24Speaker 2: already put in the cart for them and casually stroll
- 31:28Speaker 2: up front and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really
- 31:32Speaker 2: calm in her answer. But I find that crazy odd
- 31:35Speaker 2: that she, while her husband is missing, orders an nee mattress.
- 31:38Speaker 1: That doesn't bother.
- 31:39Speaker 8: You, No, that doesn't bother me because UH been married
- 31:42Speaker 8: for thirty years, and if we make a purchase like
- 31:45Speaker 8: a mattress, that's a husband and wife decision, and that
- 31:48Speaker 8: may take a couple of days or visits because You're
- 31:51Speaker 8: going to be a couple thousand dollars in a mattress,
- 31:53Speaker 8: So that would that's not a normal every day or
- 31:56Speaker 8: for the moment, you know, President's Day mattressself kind of thing.
- 32:00Speaker 7: I would think that they had have spoken about her.
- 32:02Speaker 8: It wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your
- 32:05Speaker 8: missing husband.
- 32:06Speaker 2: When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant
- 32:13Speaker 2: Gary Young, what if anything did you find in the home.
- 32:17Speaker 8: Ideally we're going to find physical executing a warrant, we
- 32:21Speaker 8: would like to have any evidence of the crime, hopefully
- 32:24Speaker 8: blood or other bodily fluids.
- 32:27Speaker 7: That would be the ideal situation that we would be
- 32:29Speaker 7: able to find.
- 32:30Speaker 2: That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the
- 32:33Speaker 2: slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on
- 32:38Speaker 2: the carpet below the bed. The room looked as if
- 32:42Speaker 2: it had been meticulously clean.
- 32:50Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Jennifer Gladhill.
- 32:58Speaker 2: You toll mom whose husband suddenly vanishes into thin air,
- 33:03Speaker 2: demanding thousands of dollars thirteen thousand dollars to be exact
- 33:06Speaker 2: from her father within seventy two hours or her husband
- 33:08Speaker 2: disappearing This is seventy two hours before her husband disappears.
- 33:13Speaker 2: Now we learn a life insurance policy battle is brewing.
- 33:16Speaker 1: This is the deal.
- 33:18Speaker 2: If the money's paid to Gledhill and she's convicted, her
- 33:21Speaker 2: children would be able to make a legal claim to
- 33:24Speaker 2: get that money themselves, and she would have already spent
- 33:26Speaker 2: it on legal fees.
- 33:28Speaker 1: On the other side, if.
- 33:29Speaker 2: It's paid to the children and she's acquitted, then she
- 33:33Speaker 2: can sue for the money to be returned to her.
- 33:36Speaker 2: So they're looking right down the wrong end of a
- 33:39Speaker 2: barrel to the tune of about at one point five
- 33:41Speaker 2: million dollars. But that's Prudential's problem. My concern is what
- 33:46Speaker 2: happened to Gledhill's husband. Matthew help me, Toby, explain what
- 33:52Speaker 2: we're saying.
- 33:53Speaker 10: Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the
- 33:57Speaker 10: bleach and the cleaners, it should be curiosity. Especially in
- 34:01Speaker 10: a bedroom. You know there's so many things in there
- 34:05Speaker 10: that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing more than
- 34:10Speaker 10: a big sponge, so cleaning in that is virtually impossible.
- 34:13Speaker 10: In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully clean a
- 34:16Speaker 10: mattress because you may get it most of it off
- 34:20Speaker 10: the surface, but there's going to be plenty inside, and
- 34:22Speaker 10: then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood that it bleeds
- 34:26Speaker 10: through the mattress and ends up down on the slats
- 34:28Speaker 10: supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again, you're working trying
- 34:32Speaker 10: to clean away something that's very porous, So the slats
- 34:36Speaker 10: usually are wood. They're going to absorb the blood, so
- 34:39Speaker 10: it's going to be difficult to get it out of
- 34:41Speaker 10: the wood. But the carpet is a bigger factor. I've
- 34:44Speaker 10: found in many of the cases where I've gone looking
- 34:47Speaker 10: for a cleanup, carpeting is where we find it because
- 34:51Speaker 10: they may clean the surface so that you can't see
- 34:53Speaker 10: the blood, but there's this pad under the carpet that
- 34:56Speaker 10: actsually a sponge also, and you can just peel a
- 34:59Speaker 10: carpet back fine blood frequently weeks if there's a large
- 35:03Speaker 10: volume weeks after the event that's still wet. So there's
- 35:07Speaker 10: many places in this setting that would be potentially harboring
- 35:12Speaker 10: blood clean up. The other thing is is that when
- 35:14Speaker 10: people clean up crime scenes, they're not blood experts, and
- 35:17Speaker 10: they clean up what they visually see. They miss the
- 35:20Speaker 10: small stuff. So when I go into process a crime
- 35:23Speaker 10: scene and look for blood. I'm using whatever methodology usually
- 35:28Speaker 10: visual to lead me to the areas they've missed. So
- 35:32Speaker 10: there's a lot of things here that would have applied.
- 35:34Speaker 10: And the replacement of the mattress would be a key
- 35:37Speaker 10: piece of interest, because you know, knowing that you're not
- 35:40Speaker 10: going to get the blood out of that mattress, you
- 35:43Speaker 10: know you've got to replace it. It's just, especially with
- 35:47Speaker 10: the volumes of blood you're talking about here, If there
- 35:49Speaker 10: was enough blood to bleed through and get to the
- 35:51Speaker 10: areas under the mattress, that mattress had to be very.
- 35:55Speaker 12: Saturated Bloodhill's friend recounts to police what Bloohill openly admitted
- 35:59Speaker 12: the before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in
- 36:03Speaker 12: the head while he slept, then buried his body in
- 36:05Speaker 12: a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,
- 36:09Speaker 12: telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.
- 36:12Speaker 1: Next steps? Is that what it's called?
- 36:14Speaker 2: Okay, So, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend
- 36:18Speaker 2: fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call
- 36:21Speaker 2: the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's
- 36:23Speaker 2: trying to figure out next steps?
- 36:25Speaker 6: Well, that certainly shows after death behavior But what the
- 36:30Speaker 6: defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads.
- 36:34Speaker 7: Up to the homicide is a homicide.
- 36:37Speaker 6: But why why is there enough evidence of abuse sufficient
- 36:41Speaker 6: that a judging jury would say, we understand what she
- 36:45Speaker 6: did her behavior after that. Okay, that's a different argument.
- 36:49Speaker 6: I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You
- 36:51Speaker 6: would rather not have as a defense lawyer that kind
- 36:54Speaker 6: of a text message, and that friend who's going to
- 36:56Speaker 6: testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've
- 37:00Speaker 6: got to come up with a defense unless you argue
- 37:02Speaker 6: it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else, or
- 37:05Speaker 6: a lover. And I don't see anything right now that
- 37:08Speaker 6: would support that as your primary defense.
- 37:10Speaker 1: Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What
- 37:14Speaker 1: are you going to do.
- 37:16Speaker 2: You've managed to get your husband's blood all over the
- 37:18Speaker 2: slats under the bed.
- 37:21Speaker 1: You're basically busted, unless you.
- 37:23Speaker 2: Want to blame it on the five year old for
- 37:26Speaker 2: trying to do a cleanup.
- 37:27Speaker 1: Of the carpet.
- 37:28Speaker 2: You heard what Toby Wilson said, when they go under
- 37:31Speaker 2: that carpet.
- 37:32Speaker 1: The lord only knows what they're going to find under there.
- 37:36Speaker 2: But this is not the first time we would see
- 37:39Speaker 2: a wife meticulously planning a murder. Does the name Corey
- 37:45Speaker 2: Richins ring a bell also known as moscow mule? Mom?
- 37:49Speaker 1: Listen?
- 37:50Speaker 13: Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According
- 37:54Speaker 13: to court documents, Richings and his wife, Corey, we're celebrating
- 37:58Speaker 13: a business accomplishment. The night he died, Police say Corey
- 38:02Speaker 13: claimed she made him Eric a moscow mule, which he
- 38:05Speaker 13: drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that
- 38:09Speaker 13: she left to help one of their children and returned
- 38:12Speaker 13: to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,
- 38:15Speaker 13: that she noticed Eric was called to the touch and
- 38:18Speaker 13: called nine to one one.
- 38:19Speaker 2: And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.
- 38:26Speaker 1: Listen.
- 38:26Speaker 9: Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in
- 38:29Speaker 9: his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in
- 38:32Speaker 9: their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife you you
- 38:36Speaker 9: allegedly taking dreno from under the sink and pouring it
- 38:39Speaker 9: into his lemonade. On three separate instances. A doctor diagnoses
- 38:43Speaker 9: Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden
- 38:47Speaker 9: video is enough for cops and the forty five year
- 38:49Speaker 9: old dermatologists is placed under arrest for trying to poison
- 38:52Speaker 9: her husband.
- 38:53Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that case is this woman, who,
- 38:56Speaker 2: as I recall, was a doctor herself. As caught on
- 38:59Speaker 2: the the husband gets suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed,
- 39:05Speaker 2: and he posts video cams all around the kitchen and
- 39:09Speaker 2: the home. You see her on video going over to
- 39:14Speaker 2: the kitchen cabinet and reaching in. He wisely set up
- 39:17Speaker 2: a camera inside the kitchen cabinet and you see her
- 39:20Speaker 2: hand reach in and get the draino and pull it out,
- 39:25Speaker 2: and then she doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael,
- 39:29Speaker 2: joining us clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.
- 39:34Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at
- 39:38Speaker 11: what psychologists call grandiosity. So you had ask how it
- 39:42Speaker 11: could be that she could think that she could just
- 39:44Speaker 11: literally clean this up out of the carpet, and if
- 39:49Speaker 11: it is true that indeed she took it into her
- 39:51Speaker 11: own hands to just murder her husband, right there, we
- 39:55Speaker 11: have an element of grandiosity.
- 39:57Speaker 1: And once you've.
- 39:58Speaker 11: Done an act like that, or even are preparing to
- 40:01Speaker 11: do an act like that, more than likely, unless you're
- 40:04Speaker 11: a total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,
- 40:09Speaker 11: so you know, your mind is kind of supercharged, and
- 40:12Speaker 11: maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so that
- 40:15Speaker 11: might be why you know, she could do something like
- 40:18Speaker 11: that without really thinking it through. But again, I'm looking
- 40:23Speaker 11: at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she would think
- 40:26Speaker 11: that she could just you know, make these videos and
- 40:30Speaker 11: paint him a certain way and paint herself a certain
- 40:32Speaker 11: way and then maybe potentially go murder him and confide
- 40:35Speaker 11: in a friend and think it would never come back
- 40:37Speaker 11: upon her. There's there's a real egoism there if all
- 40:42Speaker 11: of that is true.
- 40:43Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer. I'm always
- 40:46Speaker 2: amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,
- 40:53Speaker 2: not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.
- 40:59Speaker 1: That's always been so bizarre to me.
- 41:01Speaker 2: That you murder someone, in this case, murdering him in
- 41:06Speaker 2: his sleep, so that's not self defense, telling friends about it,
- 41:11Speaker 2: expecting them to be in on your secret.
- 41:14Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of that would be
- 41:17Speaker 11: a great example of grandiosity, that she could do something
- 41:20Speaker 11: like murder and then confide in a friend and as
- 41:23Speaker 11: you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,
- 41:28Speaker 11: you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet Essentially,
- 41:32Speaker 11: that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of
- 41:36Speaker 11: a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what
- 41:40Speaker 11: she could expect from people.
- 41:41Speaker 1: What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.
- 41:43Speaker 5: Now, just to me, just looking at all of this,
- 41:47Speaker 5: who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,
- 41:53Speaker 5: it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,
- 41:55Speaker 5: who buys a new mattress after who goes to their
- 41:58Speaker 5: friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as
- 42:02Speaker 5: they're calling this person?
- 42:04Speaker 1: Who does that?
- 42:05Speaker 5: Nobody with the same normal mind is ever going to
- 42:09Speaker 5: think they're going to get away with Mark the way
- 42:13Speaker 5: that miss Jennifer has tried to do thus far.
- 42:18Speaker 2: And of course I want you to take a look
- 42:20Speaker 2: at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman
- 42:25Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up
- 42:28Speaker 2: an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where
- 42:32Speaker 2: she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would
- 42:36Speaker 2: go in the home and kill her husband. Unbeknownst to her,
- 42:40Speaker 2: of course, she has done a deal with an undercover
- 42:44Speaker 2: surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come
- 42:50Speaker 2: to tell her her husband is dead. Little do they
- 42:55Speaker 2: does she know this is all part of a sting.
- 42:58Speaker 1: So watch Dahlia Dipoleted. Watch out, Meryl Street, She's coming
- 43:04Speaker 1: for you.
- 43:04Speaker 7: Is your husband Michael? Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man,
- 43:07Speaker 7: he's been chilled. He's been killed, Tod.
- 43:16Speaker 1: Right now, we need to get you to state.
- 43:19Speaker 7: We need to get.
- 43:21Speaker 1: I can't look man. We have to do our job.
- 43:23Speaker 8: If you want the finest pillera we need you to
- 43:26Speaker 8: calm down.
- 43:28Speaker 7: I need you to do with thes okay.
- 43:30Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where
- 43:34Speaker 2: is the search? Where did she allegedly stay she buried
- 43:39Speaker 2: her husband?
- 43:40Speaker 8: Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given
- 43:45Speaker 8: a specific location. We have put out about twenty five
- 43:48Speaker 8: warrants now for cell phones, computer history. We're still following
- 43:55Speaker 8: up on all our leads, trying to get the best
- 43:58Speaker 8: known location. I mean, be a needle haystack to just
- 44:00Speaker 8: randomly go drive around and look for a place. We're
- 44:03Speaker 8: still trying to narrow that down, and several leads we've
- 44:07Speaker 8: looked into that haven't been very fruitful, and so we're
- 44:10Speaker 8: still exploding that electronic information trying to gain a better
- 44:14Speaker 8: location on where we should focus our search.
- 44:16Speaker 1: And where is Jennifer Gledhill. Now listen.
- 44:19Speaker 12: Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into
- 44:22Speaker 12: the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and
- 44:24Speaker 12: tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed
- 44:27Speaker 12: in the care of a relative, as Gledhill has been
- 44:30Speaker 12: denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County
- 44:33Speaker 12: Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence
- 44:37Speaker 12: or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.
- 44:40Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
- 44:44Speaker 2: disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,
- 44:52Speaker 2: please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,
- 44:57Speaker 2: repeat eight zero.
- 44:58Speaker 1: One eight four z zero four thousand.
- 45:02Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,