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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Raid On His Pullman Apartment (8/15/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Now
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Speaker 1: that the dust is starting to settle a little bit
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Speaker 1: in the wake of the arrest of Brian Koberger, we're
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Speaker 1: starting to learn a little bit more about the man
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Speaker 1: and how the arrest went down. And we're also hearing
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Speaker 1: that his offices in Pullman one that he shared with
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Speaker 1: a couple of other graduate students, and his apartment have
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Speaker 1: been rated as well, And obviously the police are looking
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Speaker 1: to put together their case right. They want to make
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Speaker 1: sure that this is a slam dunk. One thing that
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Speaker 1: I've heard also is that no murder weapon has been
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Speaker 1: found yet, So I was hoping that at the press
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Speaker 1: conference we'd get a lot more some more context and
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Speaker 1: a little more flavor, if you will, But that didn't come,
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Speaker 1: and they're still obviously playing it close to the vest.
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Speaker 1: Now they have to worry about that conviction. The first
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Speaker 1: part's over, and everybody thinks that, you know, the first
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Speaker 1: is the hard part, and most certainly is. But building
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Speaker 1: a case and getting a conviction is no walk in
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Speaker 1: the park either, and they're definitely gonna have their hands
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Speaker 1: full because anytime you have a case like this that's
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Speaker 1: as expansive as this, you know that it's going to
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Speaker 1: be an uphill battle. Now. The prosecutors certainly look like
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have the ammunition that's needed to slam this
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Speaker 1: bad boy home. Considering the DNA evidence, and if it
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Speaker 1: ties him to this house and he had never been
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Speaker 1: there before, had no reason to be there, well that
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Speaker 1: would be pretty simple for the prosecutors to make that argument. No,
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Speaker 1: so if he had no business ever being there and
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Speaker 1: then his DNA is found there, obviously we know that
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors are not going to have a hard time
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Speaker 1: selling that. And I'm also seeing out there that he
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Speaker 1: was following them, Madison and Kaylee on Instagram at the
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Speaker 1: very least, so he was certainly following them on so
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Speaker 1: social media and was at least admiring them from afar
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Speaker 1: And as far as officially, that's all we really know
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Speaker 1: right now. So with that said, let's jump into this
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Speaker 1: article from the Daily Mail and let's hear about this raid,
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Speaker 1: and let's get caught up on various other points surrounding
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Speaker 1: the arrest. Headlined exclusive Suspected Idaho quadruple murderer Brian Coberger's
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Speaker 1: office in Washington State is searched by police while the
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Speaker 1: PhD student awaits extradition. So that's the whole process unto itself,
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Speaker 1: right extradition, But I highly doubt it's going to be
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Speaker 1: an issue here. This article was authored by Ruth Stiles.
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Speaker 1: Police have raided the office of suspected University of Idaho
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Speaker 1: killer Briancoberger. Dailymail dot Com can reveal Coburger twenty eight
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Speaker 1: was arrested in the early hours of Friday morning by
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Speaker 1: a swat team and is currently being held in Monroe County, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: while awaiting extradition to Idaho. And this dude couldn't be
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Speaker 1: extradited fast enough as far as I'm concerned. Get him
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Speaker 1: to Idaho, get them facing justice, a nice speedy trial
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Speaker 1: end if there's a conviction, No need to mess around
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Speaker 1: with long jail sentences or anything like that. Let's just
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Speaker 1: find a live volcano and throw his ass directly in it.
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Speaker 1: Authorities were seen at his office on the University of
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Speaker 1: Washington Pullman campus, with exclusive dailymail dot Com photos showing
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Speaker 1: cop cars from Washington State University Police parked outside Wilson
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Speaker 1: Short Hall, which houses the criminology department. Photos show officers
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Speaker 1: inside the building at the entrance to Room twelve, where
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Speaker 1: Coburger shared space with two other PhD students. Now I
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Speaker 1: saw all of the information on the website about this
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Speaker 1: office and his PhD when this was all breaking and
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Speaker 1: a made being. The students that shared that office with
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Speaker 1: them talk about the nightmare that they're going to have
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Speaker 1: to deal with in the wake of all of this
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Speaker 1: as well. Jalymail dot com photos show police also searching
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Speaker 1: his home at the Steptoe Village apartment complex in Pullman, Washington.
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Speaker 1: They arrived at seven thirty am, hours after he was
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Speaker 1: arrested on the other side of the country. As soon
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Speaker 1: as they had this dude hammed up, they were rating
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Speaker 1: these other locations trying to get this evidence because it's
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Speaker 1: all going to prove crucial. Right when you have one
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Speaker 1: of these trials, one of these murder trials, especially one
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Speaker 1: that's going to be highlighted like this, Every bit of
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Speaker 1: evidence is going to help the prosecution move the ball
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Speaker 1: forward and get the conviction and get the justice that
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Speaker 1: everybody wants. Here. Pennsylvania native Coburger was studying criminology at
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Speaker 1: the University of Washington's Pullman campus, which is a fifteen
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Speaker 1: minute drive from Moscow, Idaho, and It's pretty chilly when
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Speaker 1: you look at that Reddit post we were talking about,
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Speaker 1: and to think this guy is sitting here having this
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Speaker 1: criminology background and he's capable of doing what he did.
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Speaker 1: You just can't tell with people, right, You never know
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Speaker 1: what sort of psychopath is lurking around you. Along with
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Speaker 1: Kailee Gonsalves and Madison Mogan Coberger is also accused of
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Speaker 1: murdering young couple Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin both twenty
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Speaker 1: All four died in their beds at their home in
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Speaker 1: Moscow in the early hours of November thirteenth, in a
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Speaker 1: killing soul brutal. Police described the scene to Delhi mail
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Speaker 1: dot com as the worst we have ever seen. So
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Speaker 1: with this guy being a criminology student of PhD, I
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Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to take the Ted Bundy approach
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Speaker 1: here and try and play games with the investigators. You
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Speaker 1: know how these guys are. They're completely narcissistic. We know
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Speaker 1: he was active on Reddit. My guess is he was
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Speaker 1: following along with the investigation as it happened. So is
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Speaker 1: he gonna play games with the investigators as they try
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Speaker 1: and solve this murder? Now, obviously it certainly looks like
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Speaker 1: he's the man who did it when you look at
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Speaker 1: all of the evidence and you look at what we know.
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Speaker 1: But of course there's always that caveat. That's the circumstantial
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Speaker 1: evidence that we know of. That's why there's a whole
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Speaker 1: trial process, right. But a dude like this strikes me
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Speaker 1: as the kind of person that's gonna try and play games,
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Speaker 1: try and you know, throw the cops off his scent,
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Speaker 1: maybe try and throw a little bit of chum in
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Speaker 1: the water, talking about somebody else else might have been involved,
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Speaker 1: whatever it might be. This is the type of person
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Speaker 1: that definitely gets down like that. A neighbor told dailymail
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Speaker 1: dot Com exclusively that Coburger had only moved to the
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Speaker 1: Steptoe Village apartment complex at the start of the semester,
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Speaker 1: about two months ago. I didn't really know him, We
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Speaker 1: just said hi, said the neighbor, who wish not to
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Speaker 1: be named. Sometimes he would make loud noises at night
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Speaker 1: at like one or two am, like he was cleaning,
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Speaker 1: vacuuming or something. Now, can't really read too much into that.
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Speaker 1: Who knows what his schedule was, or maybe he was
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Speaker 1: up at that early in the morning. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I certainly wouldn't want to live in an apartment
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Speaker 1: with somebody doing vacuuming or calisthenics or whatever the hell
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Speaker 1: this dude was doing at two in the morning. The
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Speaker 1: neighbors said that they can plain to the property management
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Speaker 1: about the noise. He hasn't been here for a while.
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Speaker 1: We haven't heard any noise upstairs for around two three weeks.
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Speaker 1: I just thought he left for the holidays. I had
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Speaker 1: no idea about what happened. I just saw it on
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Speaker 1: the news this morning, like everyone else. They added, and again,
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Speaker 1: look for those of us following this case, it's bizarre
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Speaker 1: to think that other people weren't following it as closely
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Speaker 1: as you are. But that's the truth. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things going on in the world, and this doesn't
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Speaker 1: capture the attention of everybody like it does us. So
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Speaker 1: some people weren't even hip to what was going on here,
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Speaker 1: like this neighbor. A Rambo style knife was used to
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Speaker 1: carry out the murders, police said, at the six bedroom
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Speaker 1: rental property where three of the victims lived. The murders,
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Speaker 1: the first in Moscow since twenty fifteen, left a small
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Speaker 1: town of twenty five thousand people, in a state of
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Speaker 1: shock and the police desperately searching for answers. In Albrightsville, Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: access to Coburger's family home was blocked Friday by aggressive
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Speaker 1: private security guards who prevented all but residents and law
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Speaker 1: enforcement getting anywhere near the home in a gated community. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're lucky they're in that gated community. Remember what happened
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Speaker 1: with Gabby Patito's parents. And I'm not a fan of that.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think people should mob other
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Speaker 1: people's homes because there's neighbors. But it's going to happen,
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Speaker 1: and people are going to start camping out the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: and people are gonna start asking the questions, well, did
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Speaker 1: his parents know he went home and he stayed with
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Speaker 1: his parents. Now, I don't know what they know or
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Speaker 1: what they don't know. I'm just telling you how this
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Speaker 1: is going to end up playing out. This followed the
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Speaker 1: arrest a spokesman for the Pennsylvania State Police at Friday.
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Speaker 1: The Pennsylvania State Police today assisted the City of Moscow,
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Speaker 1: Idaho Police Department, Idaho State Police, and the FBI in
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Speaker 1: the apprehension of a suspect in the homicides of four
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho students that occurred November thirteenth. Brian C. Coberger,
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, was arrested on a Fugitive from Justice warrant
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Speaker 1: early this morning by members of Troop and and the
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Speaker 1: Special Emergency Response Team at a home and chesnut Hill Township,
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Speaker 1: Monroe County, chesnut Hill Township. It's about fifteen miles southwest
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Speaker 1: of Monroe County seat of Stroudsburg, where he appeared in
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Speaker 1: court early Friday. He was also in a suicide vest
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Speaker 1: when he appeared in court. Now, I wouldn't read too
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Speaker 1: much into that, because they do that a lot of
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Speaker 1: times with people like this, high profile cases. They'll put
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Speaker 1: him in that suicide vest so nothing happens to them.
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Speaker 1: But he definitely was rock and one. Coberger was arraigned
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Speaker 1: before on call Magistrate Judge Michael Mooth and remanded to
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Speaker 1: Monroe County Correctional Facility pending extradition to Idaho. The statement continued.
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Speaker 1: Then at a press conference Friday afternoon, Moscow Police Chief
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Speaker 1: James Fry gave few new details, but said his force
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Speaker 1: had remained laser focused on solving the killings. Hey, look,
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Speaker 1: now's the time to give yourself a pat on the back.
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Speaker 1: They did a great job here. They brought this dude
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Speaker 1: to justice. At least it looks that way. They made
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Speaker 1: an arrest, and for me, that's great police work. So
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Speaker 1: on to the next right now, it's not up to
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Speaker 1: the prosecution to make sure that they can bring this home.
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Speaker 1: Coberger has been charged with four counts of first degree
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Speaker 1: murder and one felony burglary. Prosecutor Bill Thompson and told
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Speaker 1: the press conference Idaho is a death penalty state. He
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Speaker 1: is due to be back in court in Pennsylvania on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday next week, and if he is convicted, and if
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Speaker 1: he does get the death penalty, maybe instead of that,
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Speaker 1: he should just be given over to mister Gonsalvez and
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Speaker 1: the families and they can have some old school Western
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Speaker 1: justice and apply that shit to this disgusting animal. Because
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Speaker 1: anyone who's capable of going into somebody's house and brutally
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Speaker 1: murdering them the way this man allegedly did, they don't
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Speaker 1: deserve any empathy from any of us, and society shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have to carry the bill or foot the bill of
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Speaker 1: taking care of somebody like this, especially if they're convicted,
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Speaker 1: and it's ironclad. Most certainly the death penalty should apply.
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Speaker 1: Frey defended the paucity of information release during the investigation,
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Speaker 1: providing more might have alerted the suspect to our progress.
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Speaker 1: He said, and that's what it really was about. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't about the jury pool. That was an old oakie doke,
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Speaker 1: a little bit of word salad and well played on
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Speaker 1: Chief Fry's part. Coberger's arrest is the culmination of an
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Speaker 1: investigation that has dragged on for more than a month
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Speaker 1: and left the Moscow Police Department facing a barrage of criticism.
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Speaker 1: Cops have also been criticized for describing the murders as
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Speaker 1: targeted while refusing to release any information to explain why. Now.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to learn all of that as
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Speaker 1: this unfolds, but I'll tell you to be cautious. And
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Speaker 1: this is why, because I doubt it's going to be
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Speaker 1: a title wave of information that comes at you all
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Speaker 1: at once. It's going to be a bunch of trickles,
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Speaker 1: a bunch of little bits of information, and there's going
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Speaker 1: to be a lot of secrecy still, just like we
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Speaker 1: see down in Delphi with Richard Allen and all of
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Speaker 1: the secrecy we saw around his arrest, So I expect
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Speaker 1: something similar here, and I don't expect us to get
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Speaker 1: all of the information and all of the context at once.
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Speaker 1: It's certainly going to be a process leading up to
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Speaker 1: the trial where obviously we'll get a whole lot more.
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Speaker 1: Sources say that authorities knew who they were looking for
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Speaker 1: and hunted the suspect down to Pennsylvania in the Pocono Mountains,
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Speaker 1: more than twenty four hundred miles from Idaho, so they
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Speaker 1: were on it right. And with the FBI, you have
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Speaker 1: across state lines coming into play, and that's where the
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Speaker 1: FBI actually excels. When you're talking about finding people across
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Speaker 1: state lines or hunting down people with a task force,
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Speaker 1: they're really good at that. News Nation reported that Coburger
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Speaker 1: had a quiet, blank sterere when arrested by local cops
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Speaker 1: and the FBI on Friday morning. Coburger is a PhD
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Speaker 1: college student at Washington State University within the Department of
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Speaker 1: Criminal Justice and Criminology, and did not attend the University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho. It is not clear whether he knew any
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Speaker 1: of the students he allegedly killed. Now I highly doubt it.
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Speaker 1: Early we were saying he was twenty five, but he's
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Speaker 1: actually twenty eight, So why would he be hanging out
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Speaker 1: with any of these kids. I highly doubt that he
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Speaker 1: was in their circle or somebody that knew him. He
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Speaker 1: obviously knew them, so I think the question there is
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Speaker 1: how did he know them? We know that he was
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Speaker 1: following them on Instagram at the very least, But like
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Speaker 1: I said in the very beginning, I can't shake the
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Speaker 1: feeling that this has something to do with where they
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Speaker 1: worked at. You know, they were at the Mad Greek
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Speaker 1: and maybe this guy came in for lunch one day
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Speaker 1: and saw them and took a liking to them. Who knows,
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Speaker 1: But when you're working at a transient spot like that
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Speaker 1: that's right off of the highway, you have no idea
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Speaker 1: who's coming in and out of those doors. So that's
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Speaker 1: certainly a possibility, And I can't wait to hear more
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Speaker 1: context about what motivated all of this and why somebody
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Speaker 1: would be motivated to do something as heinous, as gruesome,
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Speaker 1: as brutal as what occurred here. He graduated from the
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Speaker 1: Sallas University in Pennsylvania in May twenty twenty two with
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Speaker 1: a Master of Arts and Criminal Justice. As part of
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Speaker 1: his research Coburger posted an appeal for help on social
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Speaker 1: media with his research, which was looking at how emotions
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Speaker 1: and psychological traits influenced decision making when committing a crime.
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Speaker 1: Some chilling shit when you go back and look at
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Speaker 1: it in hindsight. Right. His sister, Melissa, is a mental
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Speaker 1: health nurse in New Jersey specializing in trauma and emotion regulation.
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Speaker 1: Bill Thompson, the Leata County Prosecutor, was also seen outside
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Speaker 1: the apartment alongside investigators gearing up with protective booties before
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Speaker 1: heading into Coburger's apartment in Washington and his sister that
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Speaker 1: they were just talking about here in the article. After
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Speaker 1: the Uvalde shootings, she wrote a poem about those shootings
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Speaker 1: down there in Texas, and it again, pretty chilling when
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Speaker 1: you look at it in hindsight considering what her brother
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Speaker 1: allegedly just did here. And in another episode later on,
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that poem. Law enforcement sources
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Speaker 1: told CNN that Coburger's DNA was discovered at the scene
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Speaker 1: of the crime, with officers managing to track down who
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Speaker 1: owned the white Hondai a Lantra seen in the area
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Speaker 1: of the slayings. You would think you're going to criminology school.
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Speaker 1: You'd be smarter than my dumbass, right, what do you
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Speaker 1: do in driving that Hondai a Lantra, homie? But due
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Speaker 1: to that Elantra, they were able to track him down,
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Speaker 1: and boy, oh boy, he's gonna pay for it now,
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Speaker 1: isn't he. Authorities then discovered that he had left the
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Speaker 1: area and traveled to Pennsylvania, where an FBI surveillance team
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Speaker 1: had been tracking the six foot tall man. He was
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Speaker 1: kept under surveillance, with the FBI watching him for four
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Speaker 1: days while investigators from Moscow Police and Idaho State Police
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Speaker 1: worked to get an arrest warrant. Friday sensational arrest is
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Speaker 1: the first major break in the case, with Coburger asking
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Speaker 1: if anyone else was arrested when he was taken into custody.
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Speaker 1: Coburger has no prior arrests according to public records, so
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Speaker 1: it's unclear how officials got hold of his DNA on Friday.
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Speaker 1: A chilling survey created by Coburger asking ex criminals how
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Speaker 1: they felt while committing their crimes re emerged. Well, folks,
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Speaker 1: this one's going to be evolving relatively quickly still, so
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Speaker 1: as new information becomes available, we'll keep on top of it,
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Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the program. We've heard the reports that Brian
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Speaker 1: Cohberger was attempting to get an internship with the Washington
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Speaker 1: State Police Department. We even saw some emails or heard
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Speaker 1: some emails between him and the chief at the time
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Speaker 1: of the department. But besides that, we really have had
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Speaker 1: no information or any clarity about what went down after
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Speaker 1: that meeting. Was he offered the job, was he turned down?
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Speaker 1: We just don't know yet. But The Independent as they
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Speaker 1: try to dig for some more answers here, they have
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Speaker 1: filed a public records request with the Pullman Police Department
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Speaker 1: earlier this year, and now they're getting a little bit
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Speaker 1: of traction here. So let's dive into this article from
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Speaker 1: the Independent and let's see what they've whipped up. Headline.
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Speaker 1: Police have no record of whether Brian Coberger was offered
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Speaker 1: internship position months before Idaho murders. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Andrea Blanco. The Washington State Police department that interviewed
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Speaker 1: Brian Kolberger for an internship months before the Idaho murders
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Speaker 1: has no documentation regarding whether he was offered the position. Well,
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Speaker 1: you would think that if he was offered the position,
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Speaker 1: there would be a paper trail of that, right, A
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Speaker 1: job offer some kind of paperwork to sign a congratulatory email. Hey,
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Speaker 1: here's the portal where you go and sign up for
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Speaker 1: your benefits, whatever it might be. So you would think
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Speaker 1: that there'd be a documented paper trail for something like that. No,
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Speaker 1: and that's why I said from the beginning, I doubt
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Speaker 1: that he was offered this job or this internship. I
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Speaker 1: guess we should call it, but who the hell knows, right,
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Speaker 1: that's just my guess, because nothing lines up after that
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Speaker 1: as far as the job was supposed to start in
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Speaker 1: August or whatever, and he obviously didn't have the gig,
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Speaker 1: So unless he was offered it and turned it down,
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Speaker 1: which I would have a hard time believing considering that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what he was going to school for and what
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Speaker 1: he wanted to do, you would think that he would
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Speaker 1: jump out an opportunity to have a job like that.
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Speaker 1: So the other alternative is after the interview he wasn't
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Speaker 1: considered for the position. The Independent filed a public records
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Speaker 1: request with the Pullman Police Department earlier this year, asking
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Speaker 1: for any documents relating to mister Coberger's application for the
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Speaker 1: research assistantship for public safety position. One of the core
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Speaker 1: goals of the request was to determine whether mister Coberger
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Speaker 1: had been offered the position, as the department had previously
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Speaker 1: declined to answer the question. And I know a lot
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Speaker 1: of folks are not big fans of the legacy media,
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Speaker 1: but if we had a functioning operational forth the state,
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Speaker 1: this would be the kind of thing they're doing all
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Speaker 1: the time, trying to hold those in power to account.
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Speaker 1: That's what the fort the state is supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: They aren't supposed to get their marching orders from the
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Speaker 1: state and then just go and repeat whatever they're told.
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Speaker 1: So I'm always a big fan of escalating it. If
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Speaker 1: you're a reporter or someone doing research and filing a
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Speaker 1: public records request or a Freedom of Information Act request whatever,
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Speaker 1: because remember they work for us, and while a certain
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Speaker 1: level of operational security, if you will, is needed, especially
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Speaker 1: when it comes to having trials like this, there needs
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Speaker 1: to be transparency and it can't just be an absolute
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Speaker 1: stone wall because if that happens, well, look what happened
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Speaker 1: with those UFOs that were shot down. Obviously not aliens, right,
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Speaker 1: But when the government or the authorities don't come out
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Speaker 1: and fill the vacuum and give people good quality information,
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Speaker 1: that leads to the fertile breeding ground for all of
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Speaker 1: the morons, the grifters, and the bullshit artists. So that's
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Speaker 1: one of the main reasons why I'm such a big
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Speaker 1: fan of transparency. A public records officer responded to the
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Speaker 1: request with ten documents on Friday, but with a major
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Speaker 1: caveat The Pullman Police Department does not have any documentation
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Speaker 1: regarding whether or not mister Coberger was chosen for the
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Speaker 1: internship position. The officer stated in an email, seems like
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Speaker 1: something that would be pretty easily rectified here, right, did
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Speaker 1: he ever work in the department as an intern or not?
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Speaker 1: Stop playing stupid and stop acting like you don't know
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Speaker 1: and then what they'll do sometimes meaning the police or
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Speaker 1: the FBI or authorities in general. They'll give you some
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Speaker 1: of the documentation, but not all of it. You should
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Speaker 1: see the battle that's going on to try and get
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Speaker 1: information about Jeffrey Epstein's death. Still to this day, how
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Speaker 1: many different requests have been denied. And when they want
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Speaker 1: to keep something secret, that's what they'll do. They'll say, oh, look,
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Speaker 1: this is an ongoing investigation and we can't give you
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Speaker 1: that information because it's sensitive to the integrity of our investigation.
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Speaker 1: Mister Coberger, twenty eight, is facing four murder charges in
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Speaker 1: the brutal stabbings of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Xana Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin in an off cap Is rental home
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Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, on November thirteenth. He was arrested in
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania on December thirtieth, and is now being held behind
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Speaker 1: bars in Idaho ahead of his June preliminary hearing. An
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Speaker 1: Affid David for mister Coberger's arrest revealed that he had
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Speaker 1: applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department, which
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Speaker 1: has played a significant role in investigating the murder case.
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Speaker 1: And when you take a step back from all of this.
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Speaker 1: It's just so wild, all of the twists and turns,
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Speaker 1: the fact that this dude was a criminology student, and
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was trying to apply to work
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Speaker 1: at this police department. And it was this police department
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Speaker 1: who recognized Brian Kohberger after spotting the Hondai a Lantra
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Speaker 1: and running his license. So what could have been his
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Speaker 1: colleagues ended up being his pursuers. Last month, emails between
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Speaker 1: mister Coburger and then Chief of Pullman Police Department, Gary Jenkins,
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Speaker 1: showed a brief exchange about the assistantship position for which
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Speaker 1: mister Coberger had applied last April. The documents turned over
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Speaker 1: to The Independent last week show mister Coberger was one
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Speaker 1: out of four applicants for the job. Applicants were informed
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Speaker 1: on August twenty second whether they were selected for the role,
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Speaker 1: which was created to help support Pullman Police Department through
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Speaker 1: data management and analysis. Mister Jenkins, who no longer works
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Speaker 1: for the department, told The Independent he had been advised
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Speaker 1: not to comment on the matter when contacted on Monday.
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Speaker 1: Although there is reportedly no email trail on mister Coberger's
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Speaker 1: job offer or rejection by the Department. The PhD criminology
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Speaker 1: student at Washington State University, sent an email to mister
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Speaker 1: Jenkins following an approximately forty five minute online inter Now.
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Speaker 1: I said at the time that usually that's what you do, right.
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Speaker 1: You have an interview with somebody and you want to
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Speaker 1: send a follow up directly after the interview, thanking them
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Speaker 1: for taking the time to see you, sit down with
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Speaker 1: you and give you the opportunity to plead your case
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Speaker 1: why you're the best person for that job. So I
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Speaker 1: didn't find that to be out of the ordinary. Now,
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Speaker 1: who knows if he was offered this gig, But if
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Speaker 1: there was only four other people or three other people
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Speaker 1: who were offered the job or who applied for it,
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Speaker 1: then that should be an easy process of elimination. No.
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Speaker 1: Mister Coberger wrote that it was a great pleasure to
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Speaker 1: meet with you today and share his thoughts and excitement.
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Speaker 1: Mister Jenkins replied that it was great to meet and
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Speaker 1: talk with you as well. The internship had been previously
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Speaker 1: mentioned by law enforcement in the affid David for mister
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Speaker 1: Colberger's arrest released on January fifth. It stated that mister
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Speaker 1: Coberger had written in an essay that he had interest
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Speaker 1: in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better
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Speaker 1: collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations. So
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Speaker 1: this dude wanted to go and work with rural police
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Speaker 1: because he thought he was smarter than him. And then
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Speaker 1: when he goes out here and decides to commit his
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Speaker 1: crime allegedly, Oh boy was in for quite the rude awakening,
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Speaker 1: wasn't he. And when you look at the timeline him
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Speaker 1: not getting this job and then him having the altercations
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Speaker 1: with the professor, and you see the downward spiral, And
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Speaker 1: when you go back and look at it with hindsight,
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Speaker 1: it's obvious that he's bottoming out and he's in a
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Speaker 1: spiral here. Around the same time that he applied to
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Speaker 1: the internship, mister Coburger also carried out a research project
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Speaker 1: to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making
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Speaker 1: when committing a crime. He reached out to reditors while
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Speaker 1: the Chilling Survey Reservicing after his arrest on December thirtieth.
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Speaker 1: In particular, this study seeks to understand the story behind
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Speaker 1: your most recent criminal offense, with an emphasis on your
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Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings throughout your experience, The post said, and
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Speaker 1: it was crazy how quickly you read it got rid
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Speaker 1: of that post. They were out here like miracle made,
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Speaker 1: making sure they scrubbed every last bit of it. But
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Speaker 1: the Internet's forever, and there's people out there that are
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Speaker 1: going to archive things. You have the way Way Back Machine,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of different tools at your fingertips to get
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Speaker 1: information that people try and erase off the Internet. And
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Speaker 1: basically it comes down to a race between citizen journalists
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Speaker 1: and content creators to get to these bits of information
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Speaker 1: before they're scrubbed, because the legacy media they really have
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Speaker 1: no interest in that. They'll just sit around and then
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Speaker 1: they'll cherry pick information that the independent journalists go out
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Speaker 1: and collect. Mister Koberger applied to the position at Pullman
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Speaker 1: Police Department before starting his first semester at Washington State
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Speaker 1: University last fall. He went on to work as a
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Speaker 1: teaching assistant in the Criminology department in August as part
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Speaker 1: of his graduate program. It has since emerged that within
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Speaker 1: a month he was already under investigation by the university
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Speaker 1: because of behavioral problems and the sexist attitude towards women.
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Speaker 1: According to News Nation, So don't you think the Pullman
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Speaker 1: Police department would have talked to his professors and been like, Hey, look,
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Speaker 1: we got this student of yours, Brian Kohberger, who wants
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Speaker 1: to come and work for us. Anything you want to
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Speaker 1: share about his personality? Is he a good guy? Do
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Speaker 1: you recommend him for our program? Are you trying to
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Speaker 1: tell me that none of those conversations ever occurred, because
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, and I guarantee you there's a
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Speaker 1: paper trail somewhere. The Outlet obtained the detailed timeline of
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Speaker 1: his issues in the department, revealing that mister Coberger was
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Speaker 1: warned multiple times about his behavior and was brought into
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Speaker 1: several meetings with professors due to their concerns. His attitude
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Speaker 1: towards women was cited as a key concern, with a
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Speaker 1: criminal justice student, allegedly being rude to women, creating the
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Speaker 1: women that he taught differently to the men, and having
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Speaker 1: a sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the
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Speaker 1: school in his brief four month stint as a teaching assistant.
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Speaker 1: Mister Coberger also reportedly got into multiple altercations with one
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Speaker 1: of the professors, Professor John Snyder. On December nineteenth, just
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Speaker 1: eleven days before his arrest. Mister Coburger was ultimately fired
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Speaker 1: from his Washington State University teaching post, reported News Nation,
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Speaker 1: and that was a culmination of all of his bs.
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Speaker 1: According to these reports, the way he was conducting himself.
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Speaker 1: You can't run around and conduct yourself like that and
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Speaker 1: not expect to have some penalties come your way. You're
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Speaker 1: not even a tenured professor yet. Bro. You got to
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Speaker 1: save you're bullshit for when you become tenured, because we
29:58
Speaker 1: all know, if you're a tenured professor, you can do
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Speaker 1: whatever you want. Basically, the suspect, now facing the death
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Speaker 1: penalty for four counts of murder, was linked to the
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Speaker 1: murders through DNA found on a knife sheath left behind
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Speaker 1: at the scene, cell phone data, and surveillance video of
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Speaker 1: what prosecutors believe to be his white Hondai a Launcha
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Speaker 1: leaving the scene after the slayings. One of the victims
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Speaker 1: surviving roommates was also able to partially describe the killer
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Speaker 1: two investigators after she came face to face with them
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Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the murders. In January, police in
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Speaker 1: Washington unsealed search warrants for mister Coberger's apartment in Pullman
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Speaker 1: and his office at Washington State University. The searches were
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Speaker 1: carried out on the same day that he was taken
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Speaker 1: into police custody in Pennsylvania. The unsealed documents reveal that
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Speaker 1: investigators seized a string of items from his home, including
30:52
Speaker 1: possible human and animal hair strands, a disposable glove, items
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Speaker 1: with red brown stains, and d computer. The murder weapon,
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Speaker 1: a fixed blade knife, was not recovered during the searches,
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Speaker 1: and it is still unclear where it may be. Mister
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Speaker 1: Coburger is next schedule to appear in court on June
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Speaker 1: twenty sixth for his preliminary hearing. I have a hard
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Speaker 1: time believing that there is no paper trail here this
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Speaker 1: day and age. You mean to tell me there is
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Speaker 1: no chain of emails that go from Brian Colberger to
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Speaker 1: Washington State University in some capacity, especially if he was
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Speaker 1: offered that job. There has to be a job offer, right,
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that they're keeping it under wraps for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, And maybe there's some kind of legal proceeding
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Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes where they're trying to keep
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Speaker 1: these emails sealed because they might be used and admitted
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Speaker 1: as evidence. Or something like that. Who knows, but either way,
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Speaker 1: I have a very very hard time believing that there
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Speaker 1: is no paper trail, especially this day and age. All Right, folks,
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