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Arnaud Saint-Paul | The Christian Reeve Podcast #167 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian read
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podcast. Today's guest is a
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philanthropist public speaker, and social impact entrepreneur,
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and an executive coach amount of many.
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Many, many different talents. His name is Arnold st.
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Paul, welcome to the show. How you doing?
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Hi. Thank you so much for having me.
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It's a pleasure to have you. I prefer instead of executive
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coach, I prefer conscious guide conscious guide, okay?
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Like at all, you to coach anyone, but Just to show where
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they let us head up. Well let's let's delve into.
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That was a conscious guide. Yeah, it's someone that brings
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you to you and but two more conscious aspect of you,
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probably, right? And so it's job is to really
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unable you to become a better version of yourself in your own
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way. There is no Sally, there is a
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process of asleep but there's it's always specific to the
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person to the individual. So my role is to bring Clarity
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and then you do the job, right? Which is to two-step the doors
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and open the doors, step into a them and then go there to the
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other side. Figure out what it is and so on
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what do you do? When you met people that I have
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asked this question to people before, but I'm interested to
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hear your answer. What do you do when people are
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quite close minded or not very receptive to your ideas?
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Or, you know, you're like that people might not know, they
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might be open to learning something new, but they're not
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really open to what you have to see something new, you know what
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I mean? Like, what do you do when their
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minds are a bit more closed? Like how do you approach that
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continue loving them for who they are?
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And having that specific way of seeing the world, and if it
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happens that I'm not the one to be able to help them because I
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don't have the words to make that happen, that's okay.
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It's part of, you know, part of the dance of life.
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But that, nevertheless, Doesn't change the fact that, you know,
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they are not amazing and and have they have their own unique
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way to see life and that's, that's great.
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I mean, it kind of draws, I mean that there's different ways I
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can, I can continue but I do want to kind of just talk before
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we kind of get into your personal story, I just want to
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talk on some of these terms that you've come up with that are
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attached to it. What you just said?
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So on your website and on various other platforms that you
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have, you talked about things like conscious capitalism and
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conscious leadership to could you kind of Well, explain what
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these terms kind of mean and how they help businesses.
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Okay? So conscious capitalism is a
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concept which states that capitalism is not any more
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about. Just a share holder.
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It's about multiple stakeholders, so, including a
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shareholder. Yes, but also the clients, the
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employees, the, so it's about a more conscious use of capital
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And where many stakeholders need to be taken care of.
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And not just one so very straightforward.
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It's a novel concept that emerged probably 15 years ago,
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20 years ago, maybe and that is taking traction getting Traction
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in the US and is going. You have other movements like B
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Corp or any social impact driven company is one way or another
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connected at least in. In action, right to the
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conscious capitalism Concepts. So that's conscious capitalism.
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Does that make sense? Yeah.
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No it does just have questions of the temple.
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About won't interrupt, please continue and I'll save never
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afterwards. So now I'll get to conscious
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leadership. So conscious leadership applies
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to two aspects, it could be conscious leadership of your own
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life or conscious leadership of a company.
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They both start from the same premise which is that, you know,
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whether an organization or a person, we all have these
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independent musicians that are all, you know, playing in their
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on their own without any coherence.
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And then at some point you want to bring that coherence about so
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that people can really be part of a whole, right?
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And everything. Sounds or in unison.
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So creating a symphony weather in my own individual right or in
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a company? Same thing.
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So conscious leadership is about first for the leader to become
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aware of himself. Meaning aware of all these
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musicians are spread out here there there and there, and there
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are conditioning, not only the experience, but actually the
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outcome of whatever decision. I as a conscious leader is
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taking right. Right, and when I become aware,
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then I have access to techniques to let go of any of these little
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musicians that are creating a little bit of chaos and
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cacophony and to bring them about and bringing them in Back
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to the Symphony of the vision that I hold in my heart.
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Which is the purpose or the direction where I'm going to go.
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This is interesting. Oh sorry.
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Was there more? I mean, I can go on more but
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he's good. Well, I was going to say is
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that, I mean, when it comes to specifically that time conscious
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leadership and the way you kind of explained it that I've
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certainly heard that different versions of that, same idea,
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kind of being expressed in, modern leadership in companies.
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And I suppose it right now we're an interesting point when it
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comes to day-to-day business because On one hand, you've got
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all these new fresh ideas, some of which are new, some of which
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are rehashes of old ideas, you know, basically trying to
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encourage people as you said to like take charge and you know,
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like it's this idea that everyone is fully in control of
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themselves and has the power to change and everything.
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And I have my skepticisms part of this is because of working in
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Industry. I'm now a full-time freelancer
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but I've worked in corporate. Opera and such.
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And I've seen the good and the bad.
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And, you know what, good leadership looks like versus
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what bad leadership looks like. And I agree with the premise, as
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much as a real leader. Is someone that kind of what
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leads, as opposed to telling everyone what to do.
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You know, someone new kind of leads, by example and get stuck
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in. I think that's always going to
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be the best type of leadership. So that that concept that you've
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got right there, I've seen that work and I've seen it in.
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In action. And I think it's couldn't agree
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more. But when it comes to your ideas
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with cap conscious capitalism, when you were talking about it,
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there to me, it still feels like a bit of a pipe dream in so much
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as and I'm not saying it's not possible, because I think it
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does depend on the company, but when you were saying like it, it
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encompasses all different stakeholders and not just the
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shareholders. Well, You got shareholders.
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In the midst. And that's the main stakeholder.
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That's always going to be the prioritized stakeholder because,
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you know, shareholder shares equals buying power equals
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ownership and direction in the company.
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So, obviously, if I have 20 percent shares, you have 30 40
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percent shares. You know, we have a say in how
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things are run and we can influence things.
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Not everyone, obviously some shareholders are just there for
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the dividends. Therefore Is repurposes,
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whatever. But my point with this is that I
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think. It's Noble to introduce this
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idea and try to get people to adhere to this idea that you
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know all stakeholders should be equal and we should all have an
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equal interest in the success of the company from different.
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It's another way of stating sorry.
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Sorry to interrupt you what is stating is that the the
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conscious capitalist should take into account all stakeholders of
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the main for stakeholders and when they are taking decisions?
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Obviously the shoulder keep still keep their, you know,
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their interest and their capacity to influence these
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decisions and what now that doesn't change.
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But the it's it's why I talked about social impact as well
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where the social impact open, or we'll have to have like, you
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know, like a public benefit Corporation has to have a
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purpose for so that everything every decision is aligned with
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that purpose. So but in any case, all this are
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beautiful. All ideals towards, we want to
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tend to write and why not, it's doesn't seem to be a bad idea,
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and it seems to be conducive to some positive outcomes,
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including the ones for their environments.
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So why not? Now I want to come back to the
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conscious leadership aspect, which I think is more is deeper
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and more interesting. And, and when you are saying
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that you are a bit skeptic, It's amazing.
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I wanted to offer a new premise on which you could base your
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life and any conscious leader should base their life on.
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And it's a premise that is based on quantum physics which
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explains how the world Works which is that a newer musicians
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are going to understand it right away.
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Every single thing every single thought Emotions and counter
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objects. Light Etc, Are vibrations,
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always. So what is interesting is when
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you start to assimilate that so even the microphone you're
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talking into. So you're using vibrations to
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talk into the microphone. With the microphone itself is a
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vibration to hmm interesting but the bottom line is If that is
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the case, then that also means that you and I are vibration and
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I I am currently resonating with you, right?
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We have that common goal that dance between a gun.
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I like some people say it's certain to replace some people
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say we're on the same. Wavelength obviously, that's
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what they mean when they say that, don't they?
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Yeah, exactly. And I therefore, I can feel you.
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I can connect with you and it's her.
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I said, no, sir, but the bottom line is As we are resonating 11
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with another, you start picking me picking things from me and
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I'm starting picking things from you whether consciously or
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unconsciously. So let's say that we are in the
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same company, right? You we I share let's say that I
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am conscious leader. I share the vision and therefore
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you start resonating with that vision and because of my
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presence, you start being in sympathy with it as well.
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And all of a sudden everybody starts to to play in unison,
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starts to make sense, right? Because again, we are all
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instruments. We are all vibrating.
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All the time. Any situation I may be in any
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contrast. Meaning any experience you may
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have had in corporate environment was always the
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result of your vibration. I disagree.
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Yes. I say basketball.
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Save that gone. So that's the thing.
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If you accept that all is vibration, you cannot not accept
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what I said. Well, I don't know because what
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you're saying kind of implies at least somewhat implies that you
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know, or if you don't have the right vibration with this person
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then you know you are the source of the problem.
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Seemed the silly thing to a person specifically I can go
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deeper in go with me on this journey for a second light
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should replace the basic premise of what you're saying.
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And I agree with this as well is that, you know, like at the end
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of the day if we're going to be and there's lots of different
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ways that people say this, you know, some people say seeing
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from the same hymn sheet on the same wavelength.
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There's so many ways of saying we are essentially on the same
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understanding of this thing and while we might be different
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people we might think differently.
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This one thing we feel and think the same way about this.
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This thing we vibrate in the same way.
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Now often you meet people in life that you don't say vibrate
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with or mix with and maybe that's a clash of ideas.
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That could be a personal thing person.
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You know you could just have a personal grievance with someone,
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whatever the case may be. Sometimes especially in a work
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context and sometimes, it's ego-driven or sometimes, it's
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just as a result of other factors that aren't immediately
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obvious, but the point is try as you might to to get on with
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someone and to present things in a manner.
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That's, you know, like, I'll give you an example.
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What I mean, like, I've worked in places.
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I always try to be in any team that I work in.
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I try to be someone who offers ideas and I don't shun other
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people's ideas. So even if I disagree with
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something that they're saying, I'll say, but let's say they
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say, oh let's try this thing. I'll wear my grievances or say
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well I feel this way about this I'm not sure about this but
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let's try it. Let's give it a go to see what
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happens. You know?
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And and also with regards to how I proposed an idea especially
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when someone else has proposed an idea, I say okay well that's
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great but what if we were try this So it's like, you're not
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kind of destroying their I did, because that's the thing.
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People would take everything. Personally, you know, like no
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idea a belief. Of course, a belief is part of
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you, but especially in a business context, like when you
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criticize someone's idea or their work, you are essentially
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criticizing them and people, not everyone takes things that
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person is some people just realize that, hey, criticism,
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it's just part of life, especially in business,
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especially if it's going to make you more money, you know?
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It's like yeah, we'll do what's going to Make me more money
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please, you know, but the point is it's getting on that same.
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Wavelength, sometimes is difficult and I feel like I
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guess my overall point with all of this is you have to be open
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to that idea, you know. And there's a lot of people I've
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met over the years that aren't open and so while your idea in
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principle is great and it's you know it would it does work.
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If people are open, if they're closed minded to that it's Take
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the expression, banging your head against a brick wall.
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It's, you know, you can and there's some people I've dealt
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with over the years in business and in, in personal everyday
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life where you just can't get through to them.
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So you don't, you know, and and it's not that that person is not
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reach of course because because sometimes it can be your
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Technique as well. Sometimes it's, it is as a
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result of how you approach them, you know?
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And this is actually a question. I wanted to ask you which I kind
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of asked before or but let's say you need to look at your working
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with a business and Let's say, most of the people on that team
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are receptive to your ideas, but then there's one person who's
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actively refuting your ideas. You know, obviously I mentioned
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before that, you might deal with people that are close minded or
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actively rejecting it, but like how how do you get through to
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them? They must be a way to kind of
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disarm them so to speak or to like you - it's not about this
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song. Maybe it's more about finding
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the right. Go.
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As you mentioned, okay? And sometimes they will be
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triggered by one specific topic or another, right?
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So they may say no no no to I don't know.
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Quantum physics 101 but they would be open to their they
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start asking themselves question when they go through the
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workshop. About balancing, the masculine,
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and The Feminine energy. And and then then you take the
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Cable there, right? And you start pulling it and
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then then you start opening up the door of self-understanding
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and unconscious conscious awareness.
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In this case of the that individual, he may come back
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later on for to quantum physics 101 to choose to take that, that
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idea. But so we are always innovating
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in different ways obviously like any instrument and so it's not
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Not, it's not a one size, fit all by all means.
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On the contrary, although we all share the same destination, it's
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every path. Goes to Rome, as we all know.
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And and so it is the same for an individual.
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Thank you. Thank you for that, appreciate
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that. Yeah.
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What would you say? Are the qualities of a social
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impact entrepreneur. Same question, I guess.
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I would start with. Compassion empathy.
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Altruism most likely three pillars on which the social
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impact entrepreneur. Is the three horses on which he
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is riding, so that you can he do not only has a vision of him,
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help wanting to help a specific segment of of the social
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construct that we have around us and And he does it yes, for a
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benefit obviously, and that's great.
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But there are also those of empathy and of compassion,
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because if not, he's not, he's in capitalism only and not in
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social impact capitalism. I guess we could say that way.
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Do you not think that? The idea of capitalism in
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general and what it promotes versus these ideas that you're
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trying to introduce and into the business, like they kind of
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almost refute each other. I mean, because capitalism at
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its heart, kind of encourages competitiveness and, and such
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and part of that canned. I'm not saying it should be, but
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it can be, you know, the old cliches of stepping on others in
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order to get what you want. And being having aggressive
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sales and marketing tactics Etc, So, how can you?
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How can you sort of promote these ideas compassion and
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searching in that kind of environment?
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That me? The thing is where we call
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capitalism is a very much Skewed balance towards the masculine
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energy. So in other words, it's a very
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masculine driven, set of values and we are as a society, getting
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into more feminine values where we find a new balance, right?
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So the right now or capitalism is masculine their feminine
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here, and we're slowly getting somewhere, meaning getting into
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more balanced, and we're talking about, you know, the Latex and
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capitalism. So economy politics, everything
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is going in the same direction. So our society's evolving and
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individuals as well. So in other words, you have
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companies that are too, masculine driven and therefore
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are running into too many struggles and competition.
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Etc, etc, which is great, it's a beautiful Journey.
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However, there is a more efficient way to make things
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happen if we find a more balanced.
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Team way, Spirit culture, etc, etc, that not only uses amazing
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masculine values, but also feminine values and when they
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are together, then we accelerate the growth of our company, but
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in a very different way where it's not anymore about struggle.
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It's more about positioning and, and going into getting into more
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collaboration, etcetera, etcetera. so, Yeah, we have that
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opportunity, it's up to each of us as As Leaders to choose if we
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want to go in that direction are not obviously.
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And there are people that will continue to hold towards the
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masking value and that's great. But they where we're going, they
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will have less and less possibilities to to thrive.
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Gee, that's kind of where you think we're headed.
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Then is a more compassionate almost version of business,
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which I don't know. It always seems impossible to me
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in a sense because one thing I've noticed is there's this
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large contradiction between the values that companies report to
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be following. So, you know, things are value
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propositions and mission statements and goals, and aims
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and it's all very and sorry, I know, I sound like It really
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cynical today. So for any regular listens to
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show the popular qual, what crawled up his ass.
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But I don't know, like, I think the only reason that I have this
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kind of attitude is that, you know, I've seen every company
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that I've worked with or joined seem with the exception of short
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startups. They seem to have a refreshingly
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different take on this, but then they eventually do become
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businesses. That's the thing that's always
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the goal with a start-up is to eventually become a company.
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But now have These value propositions don't have these.
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These goals, these ways principles if you like and maybe
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in the beginning they begin to follow them or they or they aim
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to follow them. But then there's this kind of
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Disconnect and maybe it's because they're not able to
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sustain their business and adhere to those principles,
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maybe it's that maybe it's just, they stop caring, you know, they
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start making money and then, you know, it's like, well, I care
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about this. I don't care about this anymore.
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The way I Today is that I kind of see it as a big old PR thing.
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I mean, when I was at school in Business, Schools was 15 or 20
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years ago, maybe we learned a lot about things like Corporate
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social responsibility. And when I first was introduced
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to, that idea, it kind of seemed like this idea of like, okay,
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maybe it's something that in principle is, something we can
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all aim and strive towards, but maybe not something that Is
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immediately possible but on the other hand it the longer the
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business goes on and the more the deeper you get and the
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higher the business kind of the higher stages that it reaches
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over time the more it cut you kind of find yourself saying oh
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okay. Do these pick these businesses
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turn their back on these value propositions or are they just
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kind of, I don't know. They want what was the reason
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behind that, you know, are they actually true for dove?
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Do they actually believe in these principles or is, is this
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just like a unfortunate happens happen stance?
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Hmm. Yeah.
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I mean, what, what I can wear I can be confident is the fact
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that, you know, that that that movement has started a few
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hundred years ago and it's continue moving in the same
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direction and it's accelerating and not just in the economy, at
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all levels of society. And therefore, yes, UK, you
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could consider all these CSR and other X completely cosmetic.
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Although some of them we mean well, and, you know, it needs
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time any moment. It's time to take shape, and,
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and happen, and things for things to happen.
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So just have to be patient sometimes and, or find the right
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company. Also, her head that aligns with
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that. I've just realized I'm pressed
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for time. So I'm going to have to shorten
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some of my questions to you. So I'm going to fire up some,
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some regular questions that I ask every guest.
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What's the best advice you've ever received?
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Huh, I don't know, the best advice I have received, I guess
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I'm going to change a little bit, the question.
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And what is the best question I have ever found interest an
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acquaintance. Who am I I like that.
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I like that. Yeah, that's, that's a good one.
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Okay. What's the biggest life lesson
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you've learned so far? That we are so much more than we
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think we are. Interesting.
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So that there's more potential and possibilities for us all
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times night and day. I love that.
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How did one question I want to ask you because, you know, you
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balance a lot of different things in your life.
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Do you have any kind of like time management tips that you
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can share with people? None whatsoever.
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Well, I have one. No, I have one probably, yes,
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Trust. The universe to bring you,
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whatever you need, whenever you need it.
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Okay. Therefore you don't need any
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time management like that. Let's throw it back to your
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public speaking award. You say are the key elements of
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a successful speech and also what do you think makes a good
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public speaker? Let's Deker, that talks from his
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heart authentically. And who is able to really listen
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to the audience that is not speaking, right?
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So that he conveys the right word for that, specific audience
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at that specific time. Okay, what would you say is the
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difference between an executive coach and a regular business
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coach a business, coach will focus more on the techniques on
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how to, you know, grow your business.
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So, whether its marketing or sales or Etc, absolutely.
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Will have an overview of the business and how you can manage
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it a an executive coach will be more.
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Helping the, the individual the CEO to find the right answers
28:28
within him. So it's helping him to manage
28:30
the company. So, you know, it's a bit broader
28:33
scope less technical for the executive coach.
28:38
And while the business coach will have more more
28:43
technicalities to handle in your own words, you experienced an
28:49
Awakening at age 13, And I suspect that it's probably
28:55
influenced a lot of how you have lived your life and you know
28:59
where you are today. But talk us through that
29:01
experience and how things changed, and how it shaped your
29:05
life. I guess it's, you know, in that
29:12
moment when the any truth that you hold within you start
29:18
superseding, anything that is being offered to you by the
29:22
outer World between coats. So so it's the emergence of that
29:28
inner world that we may choose to have or not, right?
29:32
And that led me very quickly towards that question.
29:37
I was mentioning earlier, who am I That became an obsession for
29:41
me and and led me to study the different religions different
29:47
books. Philosophies practices that were
29:51
available that Humanity has gone through and has put together and
29:58
so that was the Inception. What I can offer today, which
30:04
has the is that heartful method because I was always, I have
30:09
always always been on that journey to understand further
30:14
how we're having this Human Experience and how that whole
30:18
thing works, right? The the mind, the hard, the, i
30:23
what does that mean, how, how does that apply to my day-to-day
30:29
life? Is there a way for me to find a
30:34
balance that not only Foster's more?
30:40
Prosperity and thriving and happiness at the same time.
30:44
And, you know, as that as these questions were emerging, then
30:50
started to emerge as well, responses in the form of
30:53
drawings. That would give me a map of how
30:58
to live life in a better way. And nowadays, I use it to help
31:05
leaders to rewire themselves and start from scratch.
31:10
And live a life that is vibrational driven instead of
31:18
feeling it's, it being tangible and and a living from more
31:22
feminine values than masculine ones.
31:24
Also, at the same time, right? That's part of the that Journey.
31:28
So it's quite a young age to go for a spiritual awakening.
31:31
I had one a few years ago, maybe three or four years ago, now,
31:36
when I was living in Europe and the thing that told me was the
31:43
Well to be honest, the biggest thing it taught me was to stop
31:45
being afraid and just kind of go for it, but you're very you're
31:51
13. And at that age when we're
31:54
teenagers when we were in school, Have you want to look at
31:57
it school schooling to certain degree?
32:01
How our parents raised us? It's part of like, a set way of
32:06
doing things. It's like, there's a certain
32:08
degree of indoctrination occurs. And yeah, maybe our parents
32:12
introduced us to freeing ideas. Maybe we even get taught certain
32:16
free ideas at school. I know that I learned critical
32:18
thinking as a result of a few different teachers at school but
32:21
the rest of the teachers were like trying to get me to think
32:24
in this kind of very boxed way of thinking, which is Really and
32:28
truthfully is just there to kind of set you up for a life of
32:35
doing things. We're doing what you're told
32:37
basically you choose. So you can also because of that
32:42
super contrast then you can choose to override it but that's
32:47
that's the thing and that's kind of what I'd want to tap into.
32:50
Because while we always do have that choice, we don't always
32:54
necessarily have the strength and the confidence.
32:56
Has to understand that there is a choice and we don't have the
33:00
realization necessarily, you know, this is why I wanted to
33:03
talk to you about this because having such a profound
33:06
realization at such, a young age is a really powerful thing and,
33:11
you know, it's difficult to, you know, for like for instance in
33:15
my own life it was difficult for me to overcome fear and it
33:17
wasn't a case of people. Not introducing.
33:19
Those ideas to me, you know, there were people around here
33:23
and they're maybe not enough people, but there were people
33:25
here and they're saying what I needed to hear.
33:27
But I didn't get to that point until I got to that point where
33:31
I was ready to hear it and suddenly I listened and then
33:34
change things right? But your age 13 you you have
33:39
this Awakening moment was it was it introduced to you by a
33:43
specific person or was it just a series of realizations?
33:47
I know you've delved a little bit as far as its it was more.
33:52
You know I was offered, you know, I was in Supposed to go to
33:59
church and do the things, you know, the things we have to do.
34:02
When I mean, me coming from a Christian family and say, no
34:07
this doesn't make sense, what makes sense to me.
34:09
Is God is everywhere and I'm him, he's me that that was the
34:15
truth. That could would only explain
34:20
what I was feeling. And so I was able to say no and
34:27
And then go from there. Instead of so that was the type
34:32
of realization. So the people around you like
34:36
family and friends. With they essentially embraced.
34:39
The idea is that you that you were now Express and was their
34:41
support their and or if not like how did you overcome it?
34:45
I was alone. Oh sorry to hear that.
34:50
Well, how did you, how did you overcome that?
34:52
Because I think that's a very powerful position to be in to be
34:55
able to get to the point where you persist and, you know, push
34:59
forward with with how. You feel in despite a pushback.
35:02
So, how did you deal with that Bushman?
35:04
Yeah. You just can't help it.
35:06
It's, it's what makes sense to you.
35:09
And you just do it because you don't have.
35:11
I mean, you know it's as if you I was asking you what is it too?
35:17
How is it to be a black person? You don't know, you can't help
35:21
your white so you're being white and that's it, maybe not the
35:24
best example, I chose. But anyway, I gotta get I get
35:28
it. Like it just is.
35:30
It's a Fact it's a thing. It's and and then that that's
35:33
it. It's it is yeah, I guess, that's
35:36
awesome. Okay, well let's let's talk
35:40
about how like you transition that into business so you had
35:43
these ideas that became part of you that became who you are.
35:46
So how did you kind of realize? Okay, this is something I can
35:51
make money with. I can help people with this,
35:53
like, where did that transition? Come the good question.
35:58
So in that, Ending inquiry towards myself, right?
36:03
Started to acquire tools, whether from these drawings that
36:08
was mentioned earlier or meeting people and, and meeting, you
36:13
know, working on myself and therefore working with people
36:17
and therefore learning what they were doing and how they were
36:19
doing it since and so on and so forth.
36:21
And so, when living in Spain, I had a center helping people to
36:27
heal themselves and be reborn to themselves and And is, once I
36:33
got these famous drawings, I was telling you about which became
36:36
12 session program on their own, right?
36:41
It was not on purpose at the very beginning you just became
36:45
that had such a collection and they started to make sense and
36:48
become coherent obviously and and then I started helping one
36:53
person in another and then another and was working
36:55
marvelously. And so then it became I think
37:03
And, and now it's it's one-on-one sessions is also
37:08
Retreats and there will be online courses as well etcetera,
37:13
because it ought to help as many people as we can throughout your
37:19
life and throughout your business career.
37:21
What have been your biggest challenges and how did you
37:24
overcome them? I guess the biggest challenges
37:36
has always been myself. Because always limiting myself
37:42
in one way or another unconsciously obviously.
37:46
And and so it's, you know, probably I heard that recently
37:51
from a lady, I think, you know, entrepreneurs are probably the
37:55
more conscious people ever because they're their Journey.
38:00
The Journey of an entrepreneur is to become more and more
38:03
conscious of himself. If he wants to really be the the
38:09
He believes to be right. And so, how did I overcome that?
38:14
Well with patients and with resilience and persistence and
38:21
applying my tools, the one that I had, you know, discovered
38:25
throughout the years What would you say?
38:28
A penny, your biggest success cases so far when it comes to
38:32
the work that you do. I mean each and every one of
38:39
them is a success. Absolutely stunning.
38:43
The I couldn't say one is better than the other because it would
38:48
detract from the others, which that wouldn't make sense because
38:51
each is unique. And now, I mean, I've seen CEO's
38:55
that all of a sudden start sign, Signing nine-figure contracts
39:00
because we did just, you know, we spent half an hour together
39:03
and boom and and other CEOs that have been able to all of us and
39:09
finance, their whole Resort when they were before we started
39:15
working, they were feeling like a victim and it would never ever
39:17
happen, right? So, it's not only about Finance
39:21
obviously though. So many other aspects.
39:23
But that's the only one we can measure per se and but yeah I
39:28
think everyone is a success really even that lady that I
39:33
worked with ten years ago, contacted me, ten years after
39:37
wanting to do something else and then we do it and then she's
39:41
happy and Norway and Taking everything into account with
39:48
regards to all of your work that you've done throughout your
39:52
life. What would you say are the
39:54
biggest kind of lessons? You've learned from from that
39:57
work? Wow, that's a vast question or
40:05
the keep. Maybe the key things stand out,
40:08
you know, I mean, we've explored some of those themes throughout
40:11
this show so far. But maybe I mean and this is a
40:16
very biased, quick answer, but okay, I think that the best out
40:20
the best Yeah. The best thing I can come up
40:25
with as a summary of all the different activities I have had
40:30
so far is to listen to my heart and and so if we listen deeply
40:38
enough, he will guide us and that's probably the best
40:44
description. I can provide to answer your
40:46
question. It's pretty, I mean, but I try
40:49
to kind of make these questions always You know, personal to the
40:53
person as much as I give them, give people like, rooms are kind
40:56
of like explore, how they feel about things and there are no
40:59
right or wrong answers. Really, it's just to feel.
41:01
Alright, what are your takeaways?
41:03
You know, because it's very easy to talk about successes and
41:06
failures Etc. But the key things you wanted to
41:09
sort of touch on are the experiences, the lessons.
41:12
And I imagine, these are some of the themes that you kind of will
41:15
explore in the union. You're in the conferences.
41:17
And the public speaking you do, because it's like those stories,
41:20
those lessons that One of the things that you can share with
41:24
others and be like, hey, maybe it's learn from my mistakes or
41:27
maybe it's learn these lessons that I'm giving to you, that
41:30
I've learned in my life. You know, it's always about
41:33
sharing, you know, that's kind of what I'm trying to do with
41:35
this show as well, is to kind of share the very best to people
41:39
and say, hey, look at this person, they've got the wealth
41:42
of knowledge and experience that they have and they're sharing it
41:46
with you, you know? Mmm, no.
41:48
And you're doing it very well. I mean we have so much inside
41:56
ourselves. I mean it's and I see so many
42:00
people just completely forgetting it and not using it
42:05
and it's great, you know? But why not why not yeah, why
42:09
not indeed. As we draw things to a close for
42:12
today, do you have any upcoming projects or maybe some final
42:14
thoughts you'd like to share with our listeners upcoming
42:18
project? I'm working on my third book,
42:21
which is Going to be the heartful method.
42:23
The second one was I which is a journey of eye towards itself
42:28
and projects were organizing a retreating Egypt on the, on the
42:33
Nile. That's going to be absolutely
42:35
stunning and to help people experience Harmony and during a
42:41
seven-day trip. And, you know, using the temples
42:45
and VIP Retreats, we have VIP visits are the temples.
42:48
It's really something. And and then, what else?
42:53
Yeah, there will be coming at some point an online course.
42:57
But I don't know exactly when yet and yeah, that's about it
43:01
though. Final thoughts I think you know
43:06
to summarize. We have so much potential inside
43:11
ourselves. It's a Pity, not not using it.
43:15
And so, if you want to know more, let me know.
43:17
And I can I can share it and and, and it is there in our our
43:25
disposal and life becomes so much easier and magical when we
43:30
start applying the. So, let's let's, you know, here
43:37
and Into our hearts and it will guide you without without a
43:43
doubt and without a missed step towards.
43:49
What is our vision? Thank you so much for sharing
43:55
for being on the show. It's been a real pleasure
43:59
likewise and to ask this of the Christian re podcast as always
44:03
be safe. Be well, thanks very much for
44:06
listening and I'll see you next one.