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Rose Hill Cemetery: Searching for Her Family · Echoes of the South

• 1:21
  Carrie Genzel: Welcome to Echoes of the South. I'm Carrie Genzel. The South is a place where history is never far away. It's carried in the architecture, the landscapes, the traditions, and sometimes the stories that refuse to be forgotten. This podcast was born from a simple belief that behind every legend, every haunting, and every unexplained encounter. There are real people and real stories waiting to be understood. Our goal isn't to sensationalize them, It's to listen with curiosity, approach them with respect, and when possible, help give voice to stories that may have been forgotten. Today's investigation takes us to Rose Hill Cemetery in Macon, Georgia. Established in 1840, Rose Hill is one of the city's oldest and most historic cemeteries. Nestled along the Ocmulgee River, its winding paths, towering trees, and centuries of history make it one of Macon's most peaceful places, and perhaps one of the most intriguing. Today's guests, Aliza Jones and Carol Jameson, are longtime friends I met through the Walking Dead fandom. I had the privilege of playing a recurring character during the show's final season, and what began on a television production grew into lasting friendships and a community that extends far beyond the screen. Before our investigation even begins, we find ourselves talking about chosen family, community, and why stories about survival continue to resonate so deeply with us. None of us could have known those very themes would become the heart of everything that happened that day. Joining me throughout this series are members of the Echoes of the South investigative team. Spiritual medium Morrighan Lynne and lead investigator Jonathan Morgan Together we don't go looking for fear. We listen, we observe, we ask questions, and when the opportunity presents itself, we're there to help.
• 3:52
  Carrie Genzel: One final note before we begin. Everything you'll hear in this series reflects our firsthand experiences, observations, and conversations during each investigation. We don't claim to have all the answers, and we don't label people or places based on a single experience. Our goal is simply to document what we encounter, explore the history surrounding it, and invite you. to draw your own conclusions. Let's begin.
• 4:26
  Carrie: Alright, so we are at Rose Hill Cemetery today, and I'm so thrilled to have Aliza and Carol join me. Welcome to Macon , Georgia, ladies. Thank you. In thinking about The Walking Dead universe and thinking about Echoes of the South, a topic that I found really interesting is why do we as audiences, or why do we as people, the living, why are we drawn to stories about the dead? Why are we drawn to stories about survival? Right. And so many times people have said to me, I don't watch The Walking Dead because I don't like zombie shows. Right which I kind of said too at the beginning. And people were like, You just need to watch. Right. And in that first ten minutes I'm like, I'm in
• 5:09
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah.
• 5:11
  Carrie: It's not about it's not about the dead, it's about the living. And it's about community and connection and surviving. And when I think about those themes in terms of the series and How that's spun off in real life, we were talking earlier. The community that has built around these shows, right? Is incredible. And so in their own way, as much as we're watching the characters look for community, you all have found a community.
• 5:42
  Aliza & Carol: Creating our own. Creating your own. Because w we may not have known that we were looking for that connection and we may not have actively sought it out. So it just kind of happened organically that we became this family. And it's one of the most incredible things. But you see that in The Walking Dead. Because you know, Rick meets Morgan He's looking for his family. He finds the family he's looking for, but then also finds more than what he was hoping for. Right. And even in Rick's last episode, you know, they're doing the flashbacks of people, you know, that were in his life. And he's like, I'm looking for my family. I'm looking for my family. And then the very last scene, you know, with him is I found them. And you can't always pick your blood family, but you can pick those that you know, you can bond with and heal with and grow with, you know.
• 6:39
  Carrie: That's what I was gonna say. Sometimes your family that you're looking for isn't your blood family, it's your chosen family. And I feel like a lot of people in The Walking Dead fandom ha were looking for that chosen family and found them within the fandom. Yeah. This is our starting point. We do have Jon and Morrighan that are going to join us shortly to see what she picks up. we've never come in here to kind of see where where things may lead her. So this is the first time that we've done this. So we'll see see what direction she's pulled to go into. Well
• 7:20
  Aliza & Carol: is on. Hi! Hi Jon nice to meet you. Morrighan we've heard a lot about you, honey. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Man, I just got a splitting headache right there at that corner.
• 7:39
  Morrighan: Oh Are you energetically sensitive? Mm-hmm. Is that normal? Okay.
• 7:46
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah.
• 7:47
  Morrighan: Do you mind if I look real quick? Yeah. Just gonna pull that off real quick. Are you alright with that? Okay. Yeah.
• 8:07
  Carrie: Mm mm.
• 8:08
  Morrighan: Okay, let me get back here, because it came from back here.
• 8:21
  Aliza & Carol: Come.
• 8:27
  Morrighan: Weird. Thanks for telling me. That was weird. Yeah. We're a we're a always call it out type people 'cause
• 8:34
  Aliza & Carol: That was I it's just like an ice pick just went straight.
• 8:36
  Morrighan: Spirit getting your attention and if you don't call it out it it'll hurt more. So always call it
• 8:41
  Aliza & Carol: It's just like an ice pick right through my temple. Yeah.
• 8:45
  Morrighan: As we're walking by that section.
• 8:47
  Aliza & Carol: That corner
• 8:52
  Morrighan: Yeah. They just wanted attention. Better? Yeah. Okay.
• 8:59
  Aliza & Carol: Good, good. like a ice pick went straight into my head.
• 9:07
  Carrie: You felt like that?
• 9:08
  Aliza & Carol: yeah.
• 9:09
  Morrighan: Something a attached. So I cleared it.
• 9:14
  Aliza & Carol: Would be me
• 9:15
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• 9:55
  Carrie: Oh, it's cooler down here. A that's another reason why we're coming down here, but there's also a reason. So why this interests me so much is the train tracks, the water, movement,
• 10:08
  Morrighan: All the movement, the conduit.
• 10:11
  Carrie: right? And that it's tucked away. So I my interest is like, are there things that kind of congregate over here? It's not as much visitation. A little quieter. It's actually very peaceful if you wanted to hang. Mm-hmm.
• 10:44
  Morrighan: Yeah, generally cemeteries are pretty quiet for me. I
• 10:48
  Carrie: Right.
• 10:49
  Morrighan: do feel a lot of energy.
• 10:51
  Carrie: I also just was thinking about the land itself. Mm-hmm. And the energy we put into it. The
• 10:58
  Morrighan: Yeah. There's layers, of course.
• 11:00
  Carrie: people that come here to remember, to grieve, to honor, to maybe come and sit quietly on their own. People artists that may come here and write music or poetry or paint or draw. There's a lot of
• 11:18
  Morrighan: The line is
• 11:20
  Carrie: Yeah, there's a lot of different energy that's brought into this space.
• 11:25
  Aliza & Carol: Bye but
• 11:27
  Morrighan: Yeah, those that come to grieve are definitely feeding the the emotional component of it. And then maybe the artists and the writers and the you know, the songwriters, they're they're more of a reciprocal kind of energy, like they're gratitude but but receiving. Right. The grievers will will almost I mean depending on the level of where they are in their grief, but like think about like zero to ten, the people that are at ten are kind of like trauma dumping. Or pouring into that space. So that can create almost a thought form type energy. Yeah. Where it's not this the person they're grieving, it's they create a being from their grief.
• 12:14
  Carrie: Ooh, let's talk about that. Yeah. So we the living now we've talked about before about people the living by having a belief can actually manifest energy into something I was gonna say real. I don't know if that's the right word.
• 12:34
  Morrighan: It is real. It's on the astral, I think, it and it's called a thought form. A thought form has to it is created by the person, knowingly or unknowingly. Right. But it has to be fed continuously. So grief can become a thought form if they're continuously feeding into that being. And then that will be in their life and they either know it or don't know it. Interesting.
• 12:59
  Carrie: Yeah. So I think about like urban legends and things like that. I think about like the one that comes to mind is Slender Man which caused you know, young girls to like murder someone. So there was real life consequences to that. Can in terms of an urban legend and people feeding into the story, creating imagery and cre actually create something that manifests as that legend.
• 13:27
  Morrighan: Yeah, it's essentially it it could also be called an egregore Right. But it's it's a being or I mean deity when we talk about like when somebody is preying upon a deity and that deity acts on their behalf. There's a lot of conversation around is that actually a thought form? And just enough people are pouring into that thought form and that thought form will now work for them as well. Like there's a lot of things we don't understand about this universe, about energy.
• 13:55
  Carrie: question. So if that if something is created and thinking about is that good or bad if we want to label it, is does that depend on the energy that's put into it? If they believe it's a protector, an angel of goddess, of whatever, then that's the energy that gets put into it. But if they believe it's something predatory and demonic, then it can create that energy.
• 14:22
  Morrighan: Yeah, so the thought form responds to almost it's what how it's programmed, how it's thought of, right? And so it r it be it it behaves based on urban legend. no, Slender Man is here and we're like now that is getting fed and it programs the thought form, I'm to behave like this.
• 14:46
  Carrie: Is it intelligent?
• 14:49
  Morrighan: Some say yes, some say there's a fine line between again it now we're going into more of where people know they're creating them. Right. It's it can be intelligent on behalf of its creator. And maybe you can explain this way
• 15:06
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah.
• 15:08
  Morrighan: but no, no. That's more of a human fractured spirit. Fractured, okay.
• 15:13
  Jon: like semi-intelligence based on the intention that it's created from in those behavior patterns think of AI. Yeah almost like an AI bot being created. so there's intention behind creating a thought form intentionally but there's also creating a thought form just by the masses believing in a certain idea a certain element or certain theme that creates that form. And then that form has seemingly intelligence and life. Being
• 15:47
  Carrie: That's
• 15:48
  Jon: fed.
• 15:49
  Morrighan: It's gonna continue.
• 15:51
  Carrie: Okay, so the the analogy of the AI is helpful to me because AI is programmed for certain tasks. It's also programmed to h come at it with a certain point of view. Right? And so if you think of a thought form it's that same way. Yeah.
• 16:06
  Morrighan: That's a really good
• 16:07
  Carrie: Protective, whether it's destructive, whether it's threatening, whether whatever it's giving
• 16:11
  Morrighan: You're giving it prompts.
• 16:14
  Carrie: it the prompts. Yeah. But but on its own It's not doing it's not moving independently from those that created but does it take on a life of its own? It can. If it has enough energy.
• 16:27
  Morrighan: energy that has enough energy.
• 16:29
  Carrie: So something that we are afraid of, the boogeyman, the monster under the bed, if enough energy is put into it, that can actually manifest into something. Right. That can actually do things in our physical realm.
• 16:44
  Morrighan: Well and there's also the psychosomatic element of if enough people talk about now you're implanting it in the subconscious and now that's getting fed, like it that's more of the algorithm, right? More people have eyes on it, so now they're feeding more energy. So like how far do you wanna go? Like that's such a big it's a big conversation. Yeah.
• 17:07
  Carrie: Yeah. So, you know, in talking about Rose Hill Cemetery, there's a lot of lore. People talk about shape shifters or there's the lore around seeing a man in dark with a hat, right? Kind of we've heard this story many, many times before. But my thinking is Are we as the living who are anticipating, it's a cemetery, so there must be shadow people, there must be a man in a dark coat with a hat, there are we manifesting those things and we're actually s people are actually seeing them, possibly.
• 17:42
  Morrighan: I don't know that they're manifesting a being. I think it's subconsciously that might they're creating it within their visual okay creating it. Like there's that level of it. Like we actually can psych ourselves out enough to I just know, I just know, I just know. my god, I saw I told you, right? It's this like the ego trip of being right. Mm-hmm. I knew that was gonna happen. Right. There's the there's that the lower level of that. Okay. And then there are People in dark hats and walking around in, you know, they're at Right. That's what I mean when I talk about layers. Yeah. So like we've even been to locations where it's like, this is a thought form. They like it has a s specific frequency. Like I can tell when it's a a human spirit or something darker, non human or thought form. Because it has intelligence but not autonomy. Okay. That's a good word. It doesn't have it doesn't have sovereignty. It's attached to someone creating it. It has a different frequency. That makes sense. Okay.
• 18:48
  Carrie: And now i it for those urban legends that have gone on for decades, sometimes centuries, yeah that person eventually passes. But does the collective of people believing in it, talking about it, looking for it, keep it going?
• 19:03
  Morrighan: It can. Yeah. 'Cause every person is feeding into it, right? So it's like this this devouring kind of being that needs battery life so we just keep feeding it and feeding it and feeding it. Now you've got a huge urban legend.
• 19:18
  Carrie: Yeah. And then people start actually
• 19:21
  Morrighan: Seeing it, experiencing it, believing. 'Cause now they're also programming I bet you anything, it's gonna attack me tonight, it's gonna attack I told you. There it is. There's that element. Right. We love being right. So we will create our own
• 19:36
  Carrie: You know, we talk about this a lot, you know, in our conversations with Echoes of the South and about how powerful we actually are as the living, right? Like that we don't realize. Now and you know, and that whatever energy we're putting out that attracts spirit or something else that is feeding off of that or is attracted to that. Right. so I was thinking about you know, you look at Rose Hill, there's a lot of lore, there's a lot of people, certainly probably one of the top group to come in here are the Allman Brothers
• 20:16
  Morrighan: Right.
• 20:16
  Carrie: fans, right? Who are constantly bringing love into this space but keeping that legacy that that going, right? And then there's they're still doing burials here actively. So there's people that are newly, freshly grieving. there's you know, that so you have the both sides of it. The honor, the you know, the love and then you have the the grieving. Yeah.
• 20:48
  Morrighan: Yeah. There's layers. And then and then they're all buried on this land. The land and the history.
• 20:53
  Carrie: And then there's the
• 20:55
  Aliza & Carol: Shared space shared spaces, shared times.
• 20:59
  Morrighan: Right. Yeah.
• 21:01
  Jon: Did you get anything like where this created?
• 21:03
  Morrighan: I do I do keep feeling something over there.
• 21:06
  Carrie: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Aliza & Carol: Ben?
• 21:09
  Jon: There's something over there behind the screen.
• 21:11
  Morrighan: A little to the left of the tree.
• 21:13
  Carrie: Yeah, like exactly.
• 21:14
  Morrighan: Where the opening is, see it feels like someone's standing there. Really? Yeah. Because I do keep getting pulled up there. Yeah.
• 21:21
  Carrie: Right. Well I noticed when we came down Jon you kinda did a I don't know if you were just curious about all the masonry and and so forth, but you did do a little loop up here.
• 21:29
  Jon: Well, I felt it down there and I went down there and then I felt okay it's kind
• 21:33
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Jon: of backing off a little bit, so I'm like, Well, let me back off.
• 21:36
  Carrie: They just might be looking checking us out, like what are they doing down here?
• 21:42
  Jon: Yeah. I I can set up the
• 21:47
  Morrighan: Hold on Mike hold on Michael, sorry. I don't want you walking in there yet. Mm-hmm. Because it feels see there's another ribbon right there.
• 21:57
  Carrie: I know the ribbon's kind of interesting. it's a doorway?
• 22:03
  Morrighan: An unintentional doorway.
• 22:07
  Carrie: What? there's a ribbon on each side. Did someone do that on purpose?
• 22:22
  Morrighan: Yeah, it's almost like somebody marked it for a reason, but there's also some there's also like a portal here. Like a doorway right there. And I didn't want him walking in it until
• 22:35
  Carrie: We might lose him. Be like, we lost Michael
• 22:39
  Morrighan: Don't eat the food. Don't eat the food. Don't drink
• 22:42
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:43
  Carrie: Wait, what does that mean? If you go through a portal you're not they are they gonna try to feed you?
• 22:48
  Morrighan: Fairies will feed you and then if you eat their food you're stuck if you stay. Don't ever eat the food.
• 22:53
  Carrie: Tell us about the fairies. I don't know about the fairies. But I know that not to make them mad. I don't know how to not make them mad.
• 23:02
  Morrighan: Enjoyed the nature.
• 23:03
  Carrie: Be kind to nature. Do you know about the fairies?
• 23:06
  Morrighan: You'll you'll get favor if you pick up little pieces of trash every now and then and really
• 23:10
  Jon: Okay.
• 23:12
  Morrighan: respect
• 23:15
  Carrie: Try to keep you? Yeah. Then what are you doing over there?
• 23:19
  Morrighan: Being their slave. Nobody returns, we don't know.
• 23:25
  Carrie: Fairies.
• 23:26
  Aliza & Carol: Do you see a toadstool ring? You don't walk through it.
• 23:30
  Morrighan: If you see one leaf going do not touch it. Don't touch it. Fae trap. Yes.
• 23:38
  Aliza & Carol: Girls will send me videos and they'll have like this one leaf that's just flickering.
• 23:43
  Morrighan: Or the flower is spinning like a pinwheel
• 23:45
  Aliza & Carol: Yes, yes.
• 23:47
  Morrighan: that I mean I want to touch it. I do. I I gotta do my own.
• 23:51
  Aliza & Carol: But I kinda don't yeah.
• 23:53
  Carrie: Alright, so
• 23:54
  Morrighan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be good right there.
• 23:57
  Carrie: Do you know what a REM pod is? You know, you watch the shows. You know what a REM pod is
• 24:02
  Aliza & Carol: So it'll pick up it'll allow the the entity or the spirit to communicate through that box.
• 24:12
  Morrighan: And these are newer. The I is this your new one or no? Yeah, this box
• 24:15
  Carrie: It talks.
• 24:16
  Aliza & Carol: It'll be bit
• 24:17
  Jon: A lot of fun lights and sounds.
• 24:19
  Morrighan: Yeah, so it'll break the it'll break the perimeter of it and so it beeps differently depending on how close it is. So it has different tones, different lights.
• 24:31
  Aliza & Carol: So is it like the ones where like if if it's like one light and then like two lights it's closer and three lights it's even closer? Is it that kind of reaction or
• 24:41
  Morrighan: Yes. But we we well, yes, probably the lighting, but it's more sound. Okay. 'Cause see so like we'll go over there in a minute and show you. I've those.
• 24:53
  Aliza & Carol: I've I've seen them on your guys' show and
• 24:56
  Morrighan: Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:59
  Carrie: And then we have the ghost meter. That thing is is that what it's called?
• 25:02
  Morrighan: Yeah. So the ghost meter, it's a EMF reader. But we get a lot of yes no questions out of it. It's actually really reliable. It's amazing. It's very bizarre. That's what we call about. And I understand like the ghost hunter people are like, That's bullshit I
• 25:18
  Aliza & Carol: We had that conversation.
• 25:20
  Morrighan: don't even care. I don't even care. Because also too, I'm intuitively like there's a t telepathy going on. I can hear the answer and then it'll answer. So I'm like, I know what I heard.
• 25:31
  Aliza & Carol: Mm.
• 25:35
  Morrighan: Hello there. So we don't mean to bother you. We don't mean to stumble upon your home if this is where you live. But we do feel you. We'd just like to meet you. Is that possible?
• 25:53
  Jon: I just want you to know. I'm Jonathan.
• 25:56
  Morrighan: I'm Morrighan
• 25:58
  Aliza & Carol: I'm Carol Aliza
• 26:01
  Carrie: I'm Carrie. This is turned off. That's what is happening. So we're gonna just hold it first now because something's messing with it.
• 26:11
  Morrighan: So we have a couple of things. This lets us answer, has lets you answer questions yes and no. And generally what we do is we move the needle, we ask that you move the needle one for yes, two for no. And then this, you already know, you touched it. Whenever you touch it, it gives lights and and a tone. So I'm wondering if you're open to chatting with us today. And you can just interact with each Thank you. Thank you.
• 26:41
  Carrie: So
• 26:41
  Morrighan: That's so lovely of you. Yeah. Is thank you. You can let go now. Or it's super awesome and you can keep doing it 'cause I would imagine it would be fun game, right? Nice, thank you. Is this your home? Do you live here in the woods? And it might be easier we got it. She heard me. On the left. Yeah, so one for yes, two for no. Is that what we do? Yep. One for yes, two for no. Do you live here in the woods?
• 27:26
  Carrie: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Morrighan: Are are you a little girl? No are you're a big girl. You're a big girl, aren't you? Yeah. Yes. So does that make you a teenager? No, you're an adult. I just feel like you have a child spirit. Like you're fun and playful. Hi. I love it. You're having so much fun, aren't you? No. are you trying to get our attention? Do you need help? Do you need help, honey?
• 28:25
  Carrie: Yes.
• 28:27
  Morrighan: Okay. Do you feel like you're trapped on this land? No. Are you do you feel obligated to stay here because of family? No, I already know that one. Do you I feel like you feel lost. Do you just need directions? Okay. So you see the direction I'm pointing. Is that a good direction to walk towards? She's gone. Okay. We'll let you come back when you come back. 'Cause we do want to help you. Ever since we got here, my my legs have been shaking.
• 29:20
  Jon: So just to compare notes, when I first came down I saw someone right behind the tree about like this tall in like a white whitish dress. Okay. So I I felt well of course female for and like a really long dress.
• 29:36
  Carrie: Okay.
• 29:39
  Morrighan: Hello. Hi honey.
• 29:41
  Jon: Are you back?
• 29:45
  Morrighan: So if you're open to it, can we come over here? This is actually help letting us help you with questions so I can find out what you need, love. Can we come over here? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so my legs have been shaking the entire time we've been down here. I thought, it's hot and I'm but it's like, no, I think it's her there's like an energy about it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:21
  Carrie: Yeah. Just change.
• 30:22
  Aliza & Carol: So I
• 30:26
  Carrie: It's more floral now.
• 30:27
  Morrighan: Roll now. Interesting. Are you still here with us, lovely? Is she there? Alright honey, do can we help you? Can we help you find where you wanna go? Yes. Are you being held here? Is something holding you here?
• 30:59
  Carrie: Yes.
• 30:59
  Morrighan: Okay. Do you know who's holding you here? No. No. So it's not family is where I was going. Alright, sweetheart. So do you know who Archangel Michael is? Okay. So I'm gonna call Archangel Michael and I'm gonna ask Archangel Michael to bring down his sword to cut through your binds. We're gonna try though, okay? So calling Archangel Michael, surrounding you with light, breaking your binds, helping you be free. Yes, good. Just keep keep breathing. You're doing so good. And then when Michael has freed you, he's gonna take you home. You are doing really well. I know it's kinda scary. You're doing great. So Archangel Michael, if you can cut through her bindings, release her from this plane, and help her find her right place in existence. Do you have a child here?
• 32:14
  Carrie: Good job.
• 32:15
  Jon: That's me.
• 32:16
  Morrighan: Archangel Chamuel, Archangel Gabriel, could you please help her find her child and bring her her child so that she can be at peace and leave this plane and go to where she will be at rest? Good. Do you see your child?
• 32:40
  Jon: Yes.
• 32:41
  Morrighan: Mm-hmm, gotcha.
• 32:44
  Jon: Yeah, that's why she was freezing, her child.
• 32:47
  Morrighan: Gotcha. Can you give me one more beep that all is well? Are you good to go? Do you have your child? So once I'm okay, got my baby, I'm going home. Two times, I'm not okay. I need more help. Just gather your strength, it's okay.
• 33:15
  Carrie: You see the bird?
• 33:17
  Morrighan: No. Yeah. Yeah. just gonna hold your back hard, is that okay? Mm-hmm.
• 33:34
  Carrie: It landed right in the middle of the path and then it was like
• 33:38
  Morrighan: hi honey. Are you good? One for yes. I'm good. I got my baby. I'm going home. Two four. No, I need more help. I am I still feel stuck.
• 33:52
  Carrie: Yes.
• 33:56
  Morrighan: sweet, sweet soul. Alright, honey. Go rest. Yeah.
• 34:03
  Carrie: Go rest. Thank you.
• 34:06
  Morrighan: Thank you. they're both going at the same time. She's like yes. She's
• 34:13
  Carrie: Tricky.
• 34:14
  Morrighan: Yeah. She's happy. That
• 34:16
  Jon: Happy.
• 34:17
  Morrighan: was all joy, yes. No. It's okay. You're so good, honey.
• 34:23
  Carrie: Go home.
• 34:25
  Morrighan: Michael and Gabriel are gonna lead you home, okay?
• 34:29
  Carrie: Yes, that's a hard yes. In the middle of the woods. I know.
• 34:39
  Jon: Do you not want me to take it?
• 34:46
  Carrie: Do you have something else to say?
• 34:49
  Jon: Do you have anything else?
• 34:51
  Carrie: Yes.
• 34:52
  Morrighan: She was saying thank you. Are you wanting to say thank you? 'Cause I feel like she's good. No. Is there someone that you want to take with you? Is there someone else lost? Are they lost in the woods? Are you looking for someone else? Yeah. Is your name Catherine? Yes. So I am gonna ask Archangel Chamuel to find any and all people that know Catherine, love Catherine, and are wanting to be with Catherine that are safe for Catherine to come to this spot now and walk through that tunnel that takes her home. Yeah, and she just did a yes. So we're just gonna make sure you find all your people, okay? Does that help? okay. It yeah. Yeah. She didn't want to go without her people. Yep. So she's not stuck by her people. 'Cause I wanted to know if it was like a family member or something, like like holding onto her.
• 36:11
  Carrie: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Jon: That was Catherine.
• 36:16
  Morrighan: Her name is Catherine. It helps to have a name when you're kinda mass I know calling like that. So calling Chamuel, please find all the family members and friends that know and love Catherine. bring them to this spot is actually getting full now. Are we about to do a like a mass crossover in this?
• 36:47
  Aliza & Carol: I know.
• 36:49
  Carrie: This is a first for me. Normally it's mom and baby.
• 36:52
  Morrighan: Sure. Right.
• 36:56
  Carrie: We're doing a family reunion.
• 36:59
  Morrighan: It's more than that too though. It's people that she knows. I feel like she feels responsible, like to Yeah.
• 37:07
  Carrie: Bring them all. Well that tells you what a beautiful spirit she is.
• 37:15
  Morrighan: So when we have all your people here, come back onto this device that Jon's holding. Cause we wanna make sure we get everybody that you love, everybody that you care about.
• 37:35
  Jon: Once you have everyone gathered go ahead and touch the device again. Just come on over and touch it.
• 37:49
  Morrighan: Mm-hmm. Yes. There's a lot of people a around now.
• 37:54
  Jon: There it is. I just stopped.
• 37:56
  Morrighan: Alright, honey. Alright, Catherine. Do you have all your people here now? One for yes, two for no. Do you have all your people? Alright
• 38:09
  Carrie: Yeah. Amazing.
• 38:12
  Morrighan: my beloved. So I'm asking Archangel Michael to open a door right here around down this path here. You all can go home together. Are you ready? I saw a no. Are you ready to go? Do you is everyone ready?
• 38:31
  Carrie: Yes.
• 38:32
  Morrighan: You guys can go. Good job.
• 38:37
  Jon: Thank you.
• 38:47
  Morrighan: Right. And she's going last.
• 38:53
  Carrie: Yes.
• 38:55
  Morrighan: I can feel her going like, okay, come on, okay, we're single file.
• 38:59
  Carrie: Catherine, you're the best.
• 39:02
  Morrighan: Yeah.
• 39:05
  Carrie: Thank you.
• 39:06
  Morrighan: Beautiful honey. When you're ready to go, give us one last needle so we know you're complete. That is a hit. She's good.
• 39:14
  Carrie: Sweet soul.
• 39:18
  Morrighan: Thank you, thank you. Thank you, Archangels. Thank you for that.
• 39:22
  Jon: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Carrie: So you were saying that you don't get a lot of activity at the cemetery?
• 39:28
  Morrighan: Now I have to say hardly ever.
• 39:30
  Jon: We're five.
• 39:31
  Aliza & Carol: Well
• 39:31
  Carrie: Well this is a unique situation. I feel like so normally when you go to a cemetery you think about the higher level, right? So it's you know, you don't have these little nooks and crannies where you come down and it's very earthy and very you know, you've got the water, the train tracks, it's more hidden and apparently there's some kind of a portal right there. Which I could see if you were hiking or just walking, you would easily wander through that.
• 40:06
  Morrighan: How are you ladies? Just like checking in on everybody.
• 40:09
  Carrie: your first crossover.
• 40:11
  Morrighan: Good.
• 40:13
  Aliza & Carol: That is so beautiful. I feel strange. Do you? No, I'm always strange.
• 40:32
  Morrighan: Yes, and I always want to make sure people are safe, so
• 40:36
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah, it's just it's just strange.
• 40:38
  Morrighan: Is it just a strange situation or you feel not?
• 40:41
  Aliza & Carol: Kinda both, but s yeah, it's a strange thing to witness and watch and it's
• 40:46
  Morrighan: Got it.
• 40:47
  Aliza & Carol: just kinda makes you nervous and shaky.
• 40:52
  Morrighan: Do you feel like all you though?
• 40:55
  Aliza & Carol: Hope so. Yeah,
• 40:56
  Morrighan: Do you
• 40:57
  Aliza & Carol: I mean I yeah, I mean I guess, yeah. Yeah. It's just different to to witness something like that. Gotcha.
• 41:04
  Morrighan: So this is kind of a new thing.
• 41:06
  Aliza & Carol: Yeah, yeah, we don't do this on our podcast.
• 41:08
  Morrighan: I didn't know! Yay! Welcome!
• 41:12
  Carrie: No
• 41:14
  Morrighan: Got it. Yeah. Yeah, I I I just so my very big thing is number one service. We help whoever's ready to go. Right. Number one's always service. But number two, very close like maybe one point five is safety. Yeah, yeah. So I always just want to check in with people, especially if this is new for you because you can like you got spiked up there. Like you you might be more sensually or sorry, more spiritually open than you think.
• 41:42
  Aliza & Carol: It is it's it's just a it's a strange feeling that I've got right now. So it's just it's just different. So
• 41:48
  Carrie: Is it connected to Catherine and what we experienced or is it personal?
• 41:52
  Aliza & Carol: something different. It's just you know it's just it's just an an odd thing to witness. Have you ever witnessed? once in San Diego I had a friend of mine who was very receptive. And so it's always kind of fascinated me. My biggest concern a lot of the times is that and we've discussed this this morning. Yeah. That a lot of the things the or the the people who claim to be receptive they're
• 42:24
  Morrighan: Not helpful. yeah. Okay. Yeah.
• 42:27
  Aliza & Carol: They just wanna come in and they wanna create havoc. Create havoc and then leave. Mm-hmm and so To see because you don't the time is relative like we talked about. So you don't know how long
• 42:48
  Morrighan: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Aliza & Carol: Catherine has been holding out here, right? Trying to find her people. That's right. And so what happened today is you put an end to that. And to me that's very beautiful. And for her whole family or people that she
• 43:04
  Carrie: Reunited. You know, we were talking before you all got here about the parallels of Echoes of the South being in this location and the Walking Dead series, right? Which was about community and finding your family. Yeah right? And you think about Catherine. Yeah. Now I'm getting emotional. You think about Catherine who was Just like you think of Rick or Michonne, or you think about these characters that we fell in love with who would not rest until she found her people. And would not go cross over until they all were saved.
• 43:42
  Morrighan: Yeah, she was like this. She was like okay, okay, okay like this. Like making sure every last one
• 43:48
  Carrie: It was incredible and the just the odds of us come we don't come down here to do this. You all don't come down here.
• 43:56
  Morrighan: Yeah, it's my first time here.
• 43:57
  Carrie: Right? And that we would all come down here. I knew I wanted to come down here just because I've been down here and just with the tracks, the water, it's cooler and there's you know it's a little more off the beaten path. But then to see this. I've been down here before. I didn't notice this. I didn't even know.
• 44:17
  Morrighan: Yeah. Well, today was the day.
• 44:19
  Carrie: Right. It was the day.
• 44:22
  Aliza & Carol: Well, when I saw this one I saw the the metal around the base of the tree. Mm-hmm. Mhm. And you had told us or and I was like, Well, is it trying to keep something in or keep something out?
• 44:32
  Carrie: Right. Right, so I was sharing with them about the why a lot of the family plots and great and cemeteries themselves have iron fencing. Mm-hmm. And their belief was that it would keep the spirit from leaving that
• 44:50
  Morrighan: What a terrible thing.
• 44:52
  Carrie: area. I know, right? And also that it would keep other s from getting in. Now I'm like, obviously what I don't know what kind of Beautiful vintage iron gates, let me just say. But you
• 45:05
  Morrighan: Never worry.
• 45:05
  Carrie: wanna like keep the spirit in that grave contained. How they thought they were protecting it. Yeah. They thought, we're protecting it from maybe negative spirits that maybe
• 45:18
  Morrighan: That's what it was.
• 45:20
  Jon: Well there are some legends of like people believing that these spirits would find the family and be re revenge like avengeful on or it may it might have like some like darker energy take over the spir and
• 45:35
  Carrie: Right.
• 45:36
  Jon: come back to the family. Or there's been cases where people saw cadavers with like flushed cheeks. And they thought that they were vampires. Right. 'cause they didn't have the embalming that we do today. So they thought keeping them right
• 45:55
  Carrie: Right.
• 45:55
  Jon: contained so that they couldn't ra you know, rise up.
• 45:59
  Aliza & Carol: Zombies.
• 46:00
  Morrighan: Well a lot of yeah, a lot of if we
• 46:03
  Aliza & Carol: Well there was a lot of buried alive situations because
• 46:06
  Morrighan: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Aliza & Carol: diseases and illnesses that people would get into that made them appear to be dead. Yeah. Yeah. That would be rough. I'd hate that.
• 46:16
  Carrie: Well, they did bury people that in coffins that had bells. Yeah, a dead ringer.
• 46:21
  Morrighan: That's what dead ringer means. He's a dead ringer.
• 46:26
  Carrie: I think that I you know, as I've learned doing these, everything happens the way it's meant to unfold. And being that our topic today and the theme of this episode was community and finding your family, it was only fitting that Catherine came forward
• 46:46
  Morrighan: Found her family.
• 46:47
  Carrie: and brought her entire family and so and more. Yeah. You think about maybe 50 souls.
• 46:53
  Morrighan: Yeah, I think I it felt forty to fifty. They were moving really fast, so I yeah.
• 46:58
  Carrie: Okay. so that seems like a perfect experience to have you ladies here for. yeah. I've never had that experience to have so many. That's
• 47:10
  Aliza & Carol: Talking about f finding
• 47:13
  Carrie: right.
• 47:13
  Aliza & Carol: family family family. She didn't.
• 47:15
  Morrighan: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's just a matter of
• 47:20
  Carrie: To me, is you know that from that device, you can tell the firmness of the needle going, whether someone's like yes or yes.
• 47:28
  Morrighan: It's like meh.
• 47:29
  Aliza & Carol: Mm. Just answering your question yes or no or no, like you said, very adamant.
• 47:33
  Morrighan: No. No. Yeah, that's why we were saying like most of the ghost hunters are like, that we debunked that, that's not real. Well it's real for us. And it's a really good guidance. So it just lets us have like in the moment conversation. That's not in my head, right? So it gets to be out here and have that confirmation.
• 47:51
  Carrie: That's one thing I wanted to say too is that we are on like a echo or delay. Morrighan is having a conversation in very fast rapid.
• 48:03
  Morrighan: The instruments are for you guys. And I mean that with love, but I don't I yeah. I'm I'm the instrument. I don't know.
• 48:11
  Carrie: always knows the answer before it comes through. Right. It's just that it helps us and Jon's very intuitive as well, so yeah. I'm so when I I say us I mean me and the viewers.
• 48:23
  Aliza & Carol: Who was the one angel that you called on?
• 48:25
  Morrighan: Michael, Gabriel and Chamuel. Who is that? So Michael is Okay. Chamuel is the angel helps you find things. okay. So if you've lost something. Yeah. Her baby her family.
• 48:37
  Carrie: Like family or friends. So we brought him in to The Grand with that woman we encountered Find the Baby.
• 48:46
  Morrighan: Exactly. Gabriel works with mothers and baby and children and then Michael is obviously the releaser of you know, the bindings and the negative energies that hold them back. Yeah.
• 48:59
  Jon: And back to like what you were saying about how some investigations will happen and they get everything stirred up, they they they hear the things, they see the things and you're like, Okay, bye. Now
• 49:09
  Morrighan: We got what we needed.
• 49:11
  Jon: that we're stirred up, what are you gonna do? You can't just leave you wouldn't leave somebody like
• 49:16
  Aliza & Carol: Why would you do that in a spirit in a spiritual state? It's just or a
• 49:24
  Morrighan: Yeah. I always lead that way. Yeah. I wanna know how can I support you. And if you're good, you're good. Like 'cause it is choice, it is free will. But if you are lost or you want a way to cross, then let's make that happen. That's that's my
• 49:37
  Carrie: People too that like, No, I'm good. Yeah. I just wanted to tell you my story.
• 49:43
  Morrighan: It's rare that they won't cross over, but maybe twice in my years I've seen that.
• 49:48
  Aliza & Carol: How long have you doing this?
• 49:50
  Morrighan: Twenty years. Yeah. Professionally, whatever that means. But I've been going to graveyards since I was like eighteen. Yeah. Hopping fences and talking to the dead. Like all the fun stuff. Yeah. Not
• 50:01
  Aliza & Carol: huh.
• 50:03
  Morrighan: quite. Well no, 'cause even even in even in like seventh or eighth grade when I'd have sleepovers with friends, we were doing seances and getting Ouija boards out. Like we were doing the things. So it's been a passion my whole life.
• 50:17
  Aliza & Carol: That's excellent. Well thank you guys so much.
• 50:18
  Morrighan: You're so welcome. It's so great to meet you.
• 50:20
  Aliza & Carol: Let's thank you, Carrie
• 50:22
  Carrie: Thank you. Thanks for coming out. Welcome to Macon. And hopefully we can get you back here at some point. That would be amazing.
• 50:31
  Carrie Genzel: Time has a way of changing our perspective. When we gathered at Rose Hill Cemetery, Aliza and Carol came into the investigation from very different places. They each brought their own experiences, beliefs, and expectations about the paranormal. What they shared, however, was an open mind and a willingness to experience whatever the day might bring. What unfolded at Rose Hill affected each of us in different ways. A few weeks later, after we'd all had time to sit with the experience , I invited Aliza and Carol back to continue the conversation. I wanted to hear how they had processed what happened that day, what questions they were still asking, and what had stayed with them long after we left the cemetery.
• 51:27
  Carrie Genzel: Aliza and Carol, it's great to have you back in the studio to talk about what we all experienced at Rose Hill Cemetery when you were here in Macon. as per usual, when I head out with Morrighan and Jon you just never know what you're going to encounter or who may come forward. And that certainly happened when we were all together at Rose Hill. I don't know that any of us were really anticipating. helping 50 plus people cross over while we were there. But that's what happened.
• 52:03
  Aliza: And love Morrighan and Jon
• 52:05
  Carrie Genzel: I know Morrighan and Jon are wonderful.
• 52:07
  Carol: Yeah.
• 52:08
  Carrie Genzel: but I wanted to talk to you about how kind of what your now that a little time has passed since that that day, kind of what your thoughts are. I know that you had a long conversation about what you experienced, and I I appreciate that you both We're coming into that afternoon from different perspectives. And I love that. maybe with different expectations or different knowledge around what we were what we were doing. but I invite that conversation because I think it's all really interesting and it's very all very valid. and as I think you discovered, like for me Every single time we help somebody and help someone cross over, it's it's very touching and it's very emotional and it's a privilege to be of service to someone in that way. Yeah. Aliza I'm gonna start with you because I know that even before that we encountered Catherine, you had the experience where you were feeling like a a pain in your head as we were walking to that area. walk me back to what you remember about that moment and Morrighan of picking up that something wasn't quite right.
• 53:26
  Aliza: just I remember we were walking up the hill and we were turning a corner and just as we turned the corner I had this like sharp pain just like an ice pick went straight through my temple and I mean I was just I just kinda did like that and I was like, Wow my head and Morrighan picked up on it quickly. I didn't really think much of it other than it was like a really intense pain and it it lasted for a few minutes but then it did get a little bit better. It eased off and went away but I didn't think much of it until we got further into our walk and then I was like, Okay, there's there's something going on and around here and she said that maybe somebody was trying to reach out to me. I'm like, Well they didn't do it in the right way. They could have just tapped me on the shoulder instead of giving me a headache.
• 54:17
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Exactly.
• 54:19
  Aliza: But I think Carol even made the comment that because of where I was coming into this at, that maybe they were just kinda like poking the bear and like trying to attack me more than trying to get my attention. You know.
• 54:35
  Carrie Genzel: Okay. Do you I mean coming into it, and I know that you were, and I've said this to you because you were willing to have the experience and be there with us. And that's a huge part of it. And I and I've said this to you to both of you that I really feel like Catherine, who we encountered later, felt comfortable with us because we all walked in with the same intent and it we felt safe to her. I think above and beyond even the spirits knowing that they can communicate with Morrighan, one thing that she always stresses is intent. And when we do have people with us, which isn't common, but it's happened, she has always said, you know, you you I'm not asking you to believe in one thing or the other, but I'm asking for you to be willing and to have an open heart and open mind. Because that helps the communication and and opens that door. And I believe that you really did walk in with that intention, whether or not you thought anything was going to happen or we were just going for a walk.
• 55:42
  Aliza: I had no idea what we were gonna be doing. I thought we were just gonna go strolling and looking at stuff. I had no idea where that day was gonna take us. Yeah, it was yeah.
• 55:48
  Carrie Genzel: We did. We did. But someone came strolling with us. Yeah. And it's and that can happen. It's kind of like like I'm seeing your kitty cat there. And it's sort of that thing of I notice we're gonna use the cat as the example. Like people that aren't fond of cats, doesn't it always seem like that's the person the cat goes to? Right. So
• 56:12
  Aliza: Or there yeah, absolutely.
• 56:12
  Carrie Genzel: The spirits can be like that too of like, I'm gonna make you believe
• 56:15
  Carol: Okay.
• 56:16
  Carrie Genzel: today.
• 56:17
  Aliza: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and it was funny because, you know, just prior to that we had walked past that one place and Carol, was it you that was talking about the fencing around the grave site and how that was put up to keep the spirits in or to keep things out?
• 56:35
  Carol: No, that was something that you had mentioned because we had talked about the fact that there was iron. Yeah.
• 56:37
  Carrie Genzel: I had mentioned that. Yeah, the iron fencing. Right. And
• 56:38
  Aliza: you mentioned it very.
• 56:41
  Carrie Genzel: we had walked by one and the gate was open.
• 56:43
  Carol: with open. Yeah.
• 56:45
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 56:45
  Aliza: Yeah. And
• 56:46
  Carol: Yeah.
• 56:46
  Aliza: that was that was in pretty close proximity to that turn that we made. So
• 56:51
  Carol: Mm-hmm.
• 56:51
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 56:53
  Aliza: yeah, I mean it was it was an emotional experience. It was something I was not prepared for, something that I was not raised to believe in. But, you know, seeing Carol's reaction and your reaction and Morrighan and Jon's reaction, it was there was also a sense of peace and love and release about it. So yeah, Carol and I I think we had a couple of conversations. We talked about it on the way back and then we talked about it sitting down at the bar and having a drink and just kinda going over it again and she knew I was processing it quite a bit, so
• 57:36
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. I mean, it was a really beautiful moment, especially right on the tail of what we were talking about, which was family and community and finding your people and safety. And then we encountered Catherine, who not only needed help finding her way home, but didn't want to leave until all of her people came with her. And it was just incredibly moving.
• 58:04
  Aliza: Right. Yeah.
• 58:05
  Carrie Genzel: I we've definitely encountered spirits who don't want to leave. Usually it's women who don't want to leave without their child. That's common. And I think Morrighan initially had picked up on on something
• 58:17
  Carol: Mm-hmm.
• 58:17
  Carrie Genzel: like that with Catherine. But then it turned out to be so much bigger than that. Is that she wanted everybody to come with her? And it was just really moving. I mean, for all of us, we all were very moved by the experience.
• 58:33
  Aliza: Yeah. Carol, you you were really emotional as it came to a kind of a close.
• 58:39
  Carol: Yeah, and I'm I'm I get emotional just thinking about it because it was such a it was such a beautiful experience. just knowing that there are first off just knowing that there are people out there like you, Carrie and Morrighan and Jon whom have decided that that's what their purpose is, is to help these these souls or entities, whatever you want to call them. if they choose to to help them move on. And you know, I said it when we were when we were doing the the investigation that there are a lot of shows out there, a lot of people out there that will go in, they'll stir up the pot, poke the bear, just to get a reaction, and it's almost like they're hurting these people again. And there's there's no need right and there's
• 59:36
  Carrie Genzel: Like re traumatizing them. Yeah.
• 59:39
  Carol: no need for that. It's not necessary. And so first I was moved at the fact that I was surrounded by people who cared enough about these beings to want to help them progress. And the second thing was is that we were we were there, Aliza and I were there that weekend for our found family. And we had talked about our found family with you and you are part of our found family, Carrie, whether you wanna be or not, you are. You know.
• 1:00:08
  Carrie Genzel: We I'm in. I'm in. That's that's how we all
• 1:00:09
  Aliza: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Carrie Genzel: met was through The Walking Dead fandom and becoming this unit and this family and this community. And and that's what spawned, you know, the conversation and us talking about all of that as we were walking through Rose Hill and then to encounter Catherine, who was also looking for her family, was incredible. And maybe it's she was watching and listening and thought. these are the people they understand the importance of not leaving someone behind.
• 1:00:41
  Carol: Yeah, it was just
• 1:00:42
  Aliza: Yeah, because it could have easily have been one person crossover, we're done. And we were having all of those conversations about the family and the community before Morrighan and Jon ever even got there. So it wasn't
• 1:00:55
  Carrie Genzel: That's correct.
• 1:00:56
  Aliza: so it wasn't like they picked up on that. So I'm trying to play like devil's advocate. So it wasn't like they picked up on that conversation and used that information, you know, in their communication with Catherine. You know, those were conversations that three of us had prior to their re arrival.
• 1:01:14
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Yeah. And they had no knowledge of who you are and and why you were coming to town and and any of that. That's the way we roll. Typically, even when we go into a private residence or business, Morrighan actually doesn't know anything at all. She doesn't even know where she's going that day, because she doesn't want to be influenced at all. She just likes to go in fresh. But it just was really wild and and it does make me think that perhaps Catherine was paying attention and noticing that we were there and listening. It was a pretty quiet day at the cemetery. maybe we stood out. I don't know. It's a may maybe she thought, hey, they look cool.
• 1:01:56
  Aliza: Carol's the one that said, I wanna go down there. Carol's the one that said, I wanna go down there and I'm like, Lord
• 1:02:01
  Carol: I did.
• 1:02:02
  Carrie Genzel: yeah, you both I was emotional. I mean, we were all very emotional and very touched, I think, by just how beautiful that moment was when Morrighan explained that Catherine was letting everyone else go through and she was the last one to cross.
• 1:02:17
  Carol: It killed me. I just was like I could just picture in my head, I couldn't I don't have any type of gift or anything like that. But the whole time that we were standing there and we were listening and we were watching the little things just go off and off and yes and no and yes and no and and Morrighan was doing her thing. I just in my brain I just envisioned this woman just standing there just Just with hordes of people just she's just like, you know, ushering them through and and looking at Morrighan going, Five more minutes, you know, and just and bringing as many people as she possibly can. It was just so beautiful. I cried. I broke down and cried and I still cry thinking about it. It was just fantastic. So
• 1:02:56
  Aliza: And then at the very end the red bird came straight down from the
• 1:03:00
  Carol: Yeah. The cardinal. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Aliza: right and landed right in the middle of the path and then went back up and I was like, Wow, okay. The Cardinal
• 1:03:06
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Carrie Genzel: The Cardinal. Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Aliza: yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Carrie Genzel: Which was really beautiful. And you think, gosh, like what are the odds that it's gonna land right in the middle of the path, right where we're standing, and then fly off and be like, Okay, see ya.
• 1:03:20
  Carol: Yeah, you're right, hi.
• 1:03:21
  Aliza: That's a different example. Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Carrie Genzel: It was a really beautiful moment. it's a reminder in this what what I'm doing with Echoes of the South and this work that we do. Just how moving and profound it can be. And it's just that reminder too, you know, we the living, like we we are here still. We still have those opportunities to let those people know that, you know, we love them and be there for our family and our community and and to be that person that's not gonna leave someone behind. and we don't know how long Catherine, what timeline she's from, like how long was Catherine hiding out in the Or hanging out, you know, by that tree or or in the cemetery waiting for the right person to say, These people can help me. These people are gonna understand. They're gonna understand. And so it was just all very serendipitous that
• 1:04:15
  Aliza: I would love to have known kind of the time frame that she was from and makes you I mean, l wanna look at n everybody that's buried there and look for a Catherine, you know, to see if there's a friend or a family a family plot or something, you know.
• 1:04:26
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Carrie Genzel: I know. There's probably a lot of them. There's probably so hard to know. Yeah. And then there's sometimes it could be that she herself isn't buried there, but a lot of her loved ones are. And so she went there. Or that she just knows that people go there to remember loved ones and grieve loved ones. And so that energy brought her there. It's it's without having more time to really sit with her and ask her. you just don't know. And, you know, Morrighan, you know, as she says, is that number one, her purpose is service. And so we're we're not really there to interrogate Catherine. We're there to see what we can do for Catherine. And so what was more important was being able to facilitate getting all of those souls together so that she can open the door and usher them all through. So yeah, Morrighan had said there were about 50.
• 1:05:24
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, that she could count, but there were a lot. So Catherine had a had a pretty big community. Is pr
• 1:05:33
  Carol: Yeah, that was that
• 1:05:32
  Aliza: Yeah. I'd probably have I may have two.
• 1:05:34
  Carol: was incredible.
• 1:05:36
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Carol: It really was. It really was.
• 1:05:38
  Aliza: One could be so lucky, right?
• 1:05:40
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Right. And that we all have a friend like Catherine that's gonna make sure that we're all where we're supposed to be. That
• 1:05:47
  Aliza: Right.
• 1:05:48
  Carrie Genzel: we didn't get lost along the way.
• 1:05:50
  Aliza: You know, and it's it's still it's still something I try to reconcile with, but at the same time I'm remaining open to that because there are more things in heaven and earth, right? That from Hamlet. So, you know, what I may have been raised and taught, you know, it there may be variations, you know, it's that. So I I'm trying I you know, I'm trying to keep myself open to that
• 1:06:30
  Carrie Genzel: when are you coming out with us again, Aliza That's the question.
• 1:06:35
  Aliza: I don't know but my computer screens just started flashing black. I'm gonna have to go to church. I'm gonna have to go to church. Well, it was an experience.
• 1:06:44
  Carrie Genzel: my goodness.
• 1:06:46
  Aliza: I mean I had a a great time with y'all. I just may have to be a little bit more prepared,
• 1:06:51
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Aliza: Scary, did you plan for us to go down there or was that just call Carol?
• 1:06:55
  Carrie Genzel: No, I was planning to go down there because A, I thought it would be cooler, but and it was, thankfully. And also because it's sort of off the beaten track. And I've gone down there before and I've always kind of liked that area. I didn't realize that there was a portal there, which good to know. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:07:14
  Carol: Yeah. Yeah, with all the ribbons.
• 1:07:15
  Aliza: And she said there were fairies down there, right? That there were
• 1:07:20
  Carrie Genzel: she said don't go through the portal because Michael almost walked through it. That's
• 1:07:23
  Aliza: Well, I almost ran through it.
• 1:07:26
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Aliza: So
• 1:07:26
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:07:27
  Aliza: the fairies probably couldn't have caught me if I hadn't made it.
• 1:07:31
  Carrie Genzel: Not at the speed you were moving at at that time. Even they couldn't catch you.
• 1:07:33
  Carol: No one No. No.
• 1:07:38
  Carrie Genzel: but yeah, so yeah, I had planned to go down there and not really knowing I just thought it would be a nice place for a discussion. There's water, it's cool, you know. there's some neat things down there, and lo and behold, there's a woman standing by a tree, and Jon said in a white dress. Just kinda hanging out, waiting for us to get there. I just always look at it as such an honor to be able to help a lost, a literal lost soul to find their way back home. And, you know, n we never force anyone to do something they don't want to do. And we were on an investigation recently where there was a spirit that was in, as Morrighan would say, like in a toxic relationship. In a toxic situation. And we asked if she needed help and if she wanted to cross over, and she said no. So you just go, okay. we're not gonna make you. but it's tough because you wanna be like, just go get out, you know,
• 1:08:43
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Aliza: Right. Right.
• 1:08:44
  Carrie Genzel: but that's not what we do. So you just gotta say, okay, you know, but
• 1:08:52
  Aliza: No, Carol and I will have to make another trip.
• 1:08:54
  Carol: Yeah. The process was
• 1:08:55
  Carrie Genzel: For sure.
• 1:08:55
  Carol: just so beautiful. I mean, like I said, it was just so It was so soothing and healing and I just loved the way that Morrighan when she's doing her thing and she's communicating with them, she's not leading them or telling them that they have to do something. She's literally seeking knowledge from them to find out what she can do to help them.
• 1:09:23
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 1:09:24
  Carol: And every question that she asked was trying to find out how can I help you? What is the answer? How can I help you? It was never, it never came from a point of you must do this. It was always, what do you need? And how can I provide
• 1:09:40
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Carol: that for you? And you rarely see you rarely see that in the human world. You know, much less
• 1:09:47
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Aliza: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Carol: someone who's trying to help somebody that's not tangible.
• 1:09:53
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 1:09:55
  Carol: I don't know how to explain it. I mean it made me cry, I teared up, I just thought it was so beautiful. And yes, Aliza and I we had this long conversation on the way back to Peachtree. And you know, it's just you either believe in this stuff or you don't. That's fine. But having I think you're right, Carrie, I think having an a willingness to even understand is is a big deal. I mean, I think maybe that's why Aliza might have had, you know, the whole ice pick in the brain, because it wasn't that somebody was trying to attack her. I think somebody was just trying to get her attention.
• 1:10:31
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, and that's what Morrighan said in the moment, says someone's trying
• 1:10:34
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Carrie Genzel: to get your attention. So and they go about that in whichever way that they can, which sometimes is not pleasant. but that may not have been their intent. You know, it
• 1:10:44
  Carol: Right.
• 1:10:44
  Carrie Genzel: just might be that they know that's how they know how to get someone's attention.
• 1:10:48
  Aliza: You know, or it could be the the metaphor of open your mind.
• 1:10:52
  Carrie Genzel: Right. There you go. Literally.
• 1:10:52
  Carol: Yeah. there you go.
• 1:10:53
  Aliza: You know, kinda tap in tap tap in and open your mind, you know.
• 1:10:58
  Carrie Genzel: Tap in.
• 1:10:59
  Carol: But if not I'm gonna fight that.
• 1:10:59
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, possibly because it they knew maybe what you were about to encounter. You know, we talk about this a lot when we investigate. So on the other side, there's no time like we know it. Like it's all happening at the same time. So, which is hard for us to wrap our heads around, right? and so they will know things before we do. They know we're gonna do something or go somewhere before we do because there is no time there. So it could be somebody saying exactly that. Open your mind because you're about to experience something that is gonna blow you away.
• 1:11:42
  Aliza: Yeah, I mean 'cause I was I was physically shaking down down when we got down there and through the process
• 1:11:49
  Carrie Genzel: know that we were all, you know, very moved in the moment being out there while it was happening. I think that what's interesting the conversation is for somebody like You, Aliza, who's never, you know, had an experience like that and maybe not familiar with even thinking about things in that way, it's a really interesting point of view to be standing there and witnessing that and thinking, wow, what is what is this that that I'm a part of? Like this, how do I wrap my head around this and how do I explain this to myself? Like what am I what is this?
• 1:12:23
  Aliza: Yeah, because you know, 'cause I was raised with absent from the body, present with the Lord, or absent from the body in the other direction. And so the notion of lingering spirits has always been that's not the case. And if there are lingering spirits, they're of the demonic nature. You know, they're
• 1:12:45
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 1:12:45
  Aliza: not they're not here for good. That but again, like I said earlier. I don't know all of the ways of God and I don't know all of the ways of things to happen after we die. You you know and you believe and you have faith in the things unseen and untouched. so it it was emotional. It was and then, you know, the the cardinal whole thing. and so you know, like Carol said, if we did good, we did no harm.
• 1:13:21
  Carol: Yeah then.
• 1:13:22
  Aliza: You know, other than me. But let's go again. I'm ready. I'm gonna be
• 1:13:27
  Carol: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
• 1:13:29
  Carrie Genzel: Ha ha ha ha ha.
• 1:13:31
  Aliza: prepared. I'm gonna have holy water. I'm gonna have a rosary. You know,
• 1:13:35
  Carrie Genzel: Amazing.
• 1:13:36
  Aliza: I'm gonna have plenty of nitro.
• 1:13:39
  Carrie Genzel: what's in your kit is Aliza. I've got nitro. I've got a rosary. I've got yeah, she's got all the thing, the holy water. Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Aliza: Right.
• 1:13:49
  Carrie Genzel: That's hilarious.
• 1:13:51
  Aliza: Power of Carol compels you.
• 1:13:53
  Carrie Genzel: That's right. It's you got all the things. Yeah. I think, you know, what's really interesting to me is the reasons why some spirits don't cross or they don't why they don't go home. and like I said, certainly with women we've encountered before, that they're concerned about family or children in particular, and they may linger and they're not meant to, but they're They stay because they're still still being mom, right?
• 1:14:27
  Aliza: Over what watching over, yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Carrie Genzel: but they're they need to move on. And I think too, sometimes people don't cross because they think they can't check in with loved ones, but they can, right? Pop in and see loved ones. So they don't go. or they've done something we've had. a situation where at The Hay House where there was a there was a young woman who had been assaulted and she was ashamed of what had happened and so she was afraid to go because she felt like it was her fault,
• 1:14:58
  Carol: Uh-huh.
• 1:14:58
  Carrie Genzel: which was heartbreaking. So there's different reasons why some spirits sort of go and some don't. But that's what we aim to do is go in and see if there is anyone that That does need our help, that may have gotten lost or confused. you know, Morrighan talks about if a spirit stays what she calls earthbound, she finds that they tend to get like amnesia, where they can almost not, well, not almost, they can not know that they died. because they're not meant to stay earthbound, right? So she said sometimes people stay. And they s they just linger. They don't they don't move on and then they actually forget that they're not supposed to be there. So, you know, when we go in, we're we're really trying to kind of go through all the layers and figure out, A, do they know they're dead? 'Cause we encounter that too, where people, you know, and again, they could have stayed too long or something really we had it the actually very first case I ever do with Morrighan, which was about twelve years ago on a on a project I was developing. in and she was with a team then in outside of Dallas. And it was a
• 1:16:13
  Carol: Yeah.
• 1:16:16
  Carrie Genzel: a case where there it was a car accident and it had happened like instantly and it was a really horrific impact where the car was actually split in two and and Morrigan realized that the spirit didn't even know that she had passed, because it just had happened so fast.
• 1:16:36
  Aliza: Yeah.
• 1:16:38
  Carrie Genzel: and so she sat with her and explained what happened and then helped her cross. So that can happen as well. So just in life, how we can get, you know, dumbfounded or we can be shocked, you know. And sometimes when people are in shock, even they don't move, right? They stay where they are because they can't function. That can happen with a spirit where they just they're not sure what they're supposed to be doing or they don't know how to find their way back home. So that's who we like to target.
• 1:17:09
  Aliza: I was yeah, 'cause I was gonna ask you is if there was like a an algorithm to the spirits that are still remaining, if it was trauma or, you know, something like that that kept them behind, you know, unresolved issues, you know. I had a fight with so and so and I never fixed it and I'm gonna stay until it's fixed or But it sounds like the spectrum is broad, whether it's some mother wanting to remain watchful over her children or you know, somebody in just a kind of a traumatic experience and hasn't figured out that they're it wasn't their fault and they can cross. So there doesn't seem to be any particular algorithm of why a person remains
• 1:17:55
  Carrie Genzel: Well, I think in life there's a lot of like what keeps people stuck in life, right? And there's a lot of different answers to those. So it's the same for the dead, right? There's a lot of things that can keep a spirit from moving forward. whether it was their own actions or there's unresolved business or sometimes they feel like they never got to Tell their story or their voice was never heard. Sometimes we go in and they just want to tell us their story and then they leave. Like it's really wild. And
• 1:18:29
  Aliza: To be her
• 1:18:29
  Carrie Genzel: they want to be heard. Yeah, because they never got the opportunity. so there's a lot of different reasons. And so that's really when we go in and Morrighan identifies somebody who is trying to get to the the why so that we can figure out the solution to. and see if they want to move forward and what's preventing them from doing that. So it's it's a lot and it's a l we do I've found in the investigations I've done, a lot of it's trauma based. A lot of it. And so that's heartbreaking because a lot of them are stuck in the trauma.
• 1:19:07
  Carol: Yeah. Or you
• 1:19:08
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Carol: find people like Catherine who are just waiting for their family. You know? Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. And they don't know how to find them all. I've never had I've never been a part of a mass like crossing. Like yeah, the mass has exactly the mass
• 1:19:21
  Carol: A mass exodus?
• 1:19:26
  Carrie Genzel: exodus. I've never been a part of that. It's always like one person or maybe two, but never like a whole group. and so that's really incredible and just her intention behind it was very moving and beautiful. and I thought it just was so beautiful that you all could be there and be a part of that and experience that.
• 1:19:48
  Carol: That was so fun.
• 1:19:49
  Aliza: I had never heard of that one Archangel and I think I asked you or maybe I called him Sherboy. But I think
• 1:19:52
  Carrie Genzel: Chamuel. So I don't know a
• 1:19:53
  Carol: Very well, yeah.
• 1:19:56
  Carrie Genzel: lot. Yeah, Morrighan calls Archangel Chamuel in when we're looking for a lost person. and it she's she's she's called him in before, when we are looking for someone's child. So usually it's Archangel Michael. And then there's Gabriel and then Chamuel. If we're looking for someone or something in particular, so she'll
• 1:20:22
  Aliza: Okay.
• 1:20:23
  Carrie Genzel: she'll call in. Yeah. Yeah. It's
• 1:20:25
  Aliza: Well, I knew I knew Michael and Gabriel but I was and then I I think you know, I w I had never heard of that one, but that makes sense, okay.
• 1:20:33
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, yeah. I know. So you learned something new. You learned a lot of new things that day.
• 1:20:36
  Aliza: Yeah, Carrie I think you tell it. Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  Carol: Yeah, she did.
• 1:20:43
  Aliza: You should have seen how many drinks I had after we got back to Peachtree City.
• 1:20:47
  Carol: Ha ha.
• 1:20:49
  Carrie Genzel: I wanna thank you both again for coming back on with me and talking about your experience. It really was even more special to have you both there. And yeah, you'll have to come back and investigate with us again.
• 1:21:03
  Carol: I'm in.
• 1:21:04
  Aliza: I'm in
• 1:21:05
  Carrie Genzel: Every investigation leaves us with more questions than answers. Sometimes those questions are about history, sometimes they're about the unexplained, and sometimes they're about ourselves. Whether you believe what happened at Rose Hill Cemetery was paranormal, spiritual, or simply a story that can't yet be explained, I hope you'll take away what mattered most to me. Compassion. Because whether we're helping the living, or perhaps even helping someone who has been waiting for longer than we can imagine, compassion is never wasted. If today's story resonated with you, I'd love for you to follow the podcast, leave a review, and share Echoes of the South with someone who enjoys history, mystery, and the stories that refuse to rest. And if you've experienced something you can't explain or know of a place whose story deserves to be told, you can submit your story to EchoesOfTheSouth.com Until next time, I'm Carrie Genzel. Stay close.