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"Worse Than The Mafia": Michael Franzese Exposes The New Cartel Monster · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: A perspective. You haven't heard about the taking out of
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Speaker 1: a cartel boss in Mexico? Is this one I've got?
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Speaker 1: Michael fraanzis former Kappa regime of the Columbo crime family
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Speaker 1: in New York. He sees the vacuum created now by
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Speaker 1: Elmentho being taken out, and he sees what the cartel
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Speaker 1: is doing in reaction. It's very different than what the
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Speaker 1: crime families back in the day in New York would do.
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Speaker 1: But his perspective is one you can't miss. Watch it
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Speaker 1: right now, the mob boss is killed, what happens to
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Speaker 1: the family, What happens to that group, what happens to
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Speaker 1: the cartel immediately?
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Speaker 2: Well, always there's a power struggle. Who's going to take
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Speaker 2: his place, what's going to happen or their outside family
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Speaker 2: is going to try to intervene in some way. There's
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Speaker 2: always chaos when something like this happens, and it's absolutely
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Speaker 2: happening in Mexico now.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, is that vacuum one that was unexpected
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Speaker 1: or is there always sort of like you were second
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Speaker 1: in line? There are people who are foot soldiers out front.
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Speaker 1: Are the cartels made the same kind of way as
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Speaker 1: the old Mafia film or the mob families in New York.
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Speaker 1: Are they different?
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Speaker 2: You know, it's different, Joe. We had we had a
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Speaker 2: succession in place. Normally you had a boss, you had
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Speaker 2: an underboss, so there was a likely successor. With the cartels,
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Speaker 2: it's different. It's a power struggle. Now, it's chaos. Nobody
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Speaker 2: anticipated that this guy was going to be taken out,
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Speaker 2: so a lot of good things, a lot of different
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Speaker 2: things could be happening. Now. You could have another cartel,
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Speaker 2: like the Cineloa cartel, looking to absorb this cartel r
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Speaker 2: you know, into their faction. You can have some small
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Speaker 2: independence that are going to look to take some of
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Speaker 2: the business away. And then obviously you're going to have
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Speaker 2: people from within. They're going to be striving to get
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Speaker 2: things in order again. Right now, it's all about protecting
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Speaker 2: that cartel and their operation.
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Speaker 1: It's Michael Frenzies. Go and get Frenzies Wine's going to
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Speaker 1: Michael Frenzies dot com. Follow him on YouTube, almost two
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Speaker 1: million followers now subs over there. The guy does an
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Speaker 1: amazing job and by the way, reformed. He's not still
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Speaker 1: a mob boss. He's a pastor, he's an author, he's
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Speaker 1: a great dad and Grandpa. So let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: power struggle that you just mentioned, generally speaking in New York.
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Speaker 1: As we talked about a lot on my show and
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Speaker 1: even off the show, there was a lot of succession.
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Speaker 1: As you just said, there probably is something like that
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Speaker 1: in this cartel. But do you get the sense, because
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Speaker 1: I know you've got people that have been telling you
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Speaker 1: stuff that others haven't heard, do you get the sense
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Speaker 1: that there might be more than one person who thought,
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Speaker 1: well it's mine now? Could there be infighting in that
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Speaker 1: very cartel which actually makes them available for outside cartels
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Speaker 1: to try to come in. What does the internal power
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Speaker 1: struggle look like compared to the possible external want for territory?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me tell you. In the mob my formal life,
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Speaker 2: two things. It would be different situations. If a guy
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Speaker 2: was a boss was dying of old age or you know,
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden sickness, then normally the underboss would
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Speaker 2: take over, you know, at least until another boss by
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Speaker 2: all the men. If let's say the men weren't satisfied
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Speaker 2: with the underboss, there may be some kind of a
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Speaker 2: movement inside to put somebody else in power. You don't know,
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Speaker 2: if a boss gets killed then normally the person that's
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Speaker 2: going to make that he's ready to take over, like
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Speaker 2: in the case of John Gotti and Paul Castellano. John,
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Speaker 2: you know, he implemented that scheme to kill Paul and
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Speaker 2: then he took over his boss. He had everything in
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Speaker 2: place at that point. With the cartels is going to
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Speaker 2: be different. There is going to be a vacuum. Now.
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Speaker 2: They weren't prepared for this in any way because Olmncho.
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Speaker 2: You know a number of times they tried to take
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Speaker 2: this guy out and they were very unsuccessful. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, Joe he was the supreme ruler. He was
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Speaker 2: a very violent guy. He kept things in order. Nobody
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Speaker 2: wanted to try to upset him in any way. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've learned so much about this guy. He really, you know,
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Speaker 2: had a firm control over that cartel. So there was
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Speaker 2: nobody ready to take its place because they didn't expect
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Speaker 2: this to happen. So now there is a power of
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Speaker 2: vacuum there and people are going to be striving for
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Speaker 2: the top. And like I said, the other cartels and
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Speaker 2: some of the independent cartels are going to be looking
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Speaker 2: to take over the business because they know that they're
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Speaker 2: in a disarray. Right now.
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Speaker 1: You know, he makes such a great place. I didn't
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Speaker 1: even think about that. If somebody's dying of cancer, old
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Speaker 1: age or something like that, you see it coming. There's
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Speaker 1: a structure in place, here's the hierarchy. He goes and
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Speaker 1: the next guy steps in. This thing was completely out
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Speaker 1: of the blue. Do you think that they had no clue?
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Speaker 1: Because he had to know that he was wanted and
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Speaker 1: he was on the run all the time. I get that,
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Speaker 1: But do you think they had no clue what was
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Speaker 1: coming down right then? I mean they had to surprise
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Speaker 1: him or else they wouldn't have gotten him right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a total surprise from the intel that
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Speaker 2: I got on it. He didn't know he was moving
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Speaker 2: from one place to another. You know, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you know this, but he had a kidney problem.
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Speaker 2: I did not know he was onalysis for six or
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Speaker 2: seven or eight hours a day.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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Speaker 2: He actually had a hospital built in one of his
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Speaker 2: compounds because he was afraid to go to the hospital
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Speaker 2: because they would be able to track him. So we
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Speaker 2: had an entire hospital built in one of his compounds.
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Speaker 2: What happened he was very interesting. You know. The American government,
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Speaker 2: our intelligence did play a significant role in this, and
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Speaker 2: that they were tracking him through the movement of medical
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Speaker 2: devices for quite some time. They had an idea deal
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Speaker 2: with airy he was in, but it was really a
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Speaker 2: woman that came to visit him that they were tracking
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Speaker 2: quite a bit, and that's how she led them to him,
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Speaker 2: And it was a total surprise. He didn't expect it
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Speaker 2: in any way.
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Speaker 1: How brutal was this guy. You've talked about the brutality.
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Speaker 1: Others that I've spoken with have talked about the brutality.
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Speaker 1: It seems as though different from the New York families,
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Speaker 1: where look, there was brutality there, there was violence there,
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be anything like we're talking
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Speaker 1: about here, pulling eyes out or grabbing a heart out
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Speaker 1: of somebody's chest before they die and show it to them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to be something unbelievably over the
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Speaker 1: top brutal. And if you know how brutal they were,
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Speaker 1: I want to know. But also, why would you take
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Speaker 1: that tactic just to scare the death out of everybody
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Speaker 1: else from even trying to challenge you?
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Speaker 2: You know, Joe, I've heard things and this. I would
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Speaker 2: never say anything unless I wasn't sure of what I
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Speaker 2: was saying. But you know, they went to this extreme
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Speaker 2: their trainees in order to get into that cartel and
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Speaker 2: work in that cartel and prosper They resorted to cannibalism.
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Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? They would take an enemy,
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Speaker 2: cut off a piece of his flesh and have the
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Speaker 2: trainee eat that flesh.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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Speaker 2: And there was an instance, and I got this on
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Speaker 2: very very good information, There was an instance and one
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Speaker 2: of the trainees was eating the flesh, spit it out
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Speaker 2: because he just couldn't handle it, and they told him.
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Speaker 2: They put a gun to his head and said you
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Speaker 2: eat it right now or you die. Well, he picked
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Speaker 2: it up and he ate it again. I mean, they
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Speaker 2: resorted to this type of tactic. And yes, what you said,
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Speaker 2: cut a guy's chest open, pulled out his heart, showed
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Speaker 2: everybody gave it to somebody to eat at that point.
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Speaker 2: I mean this guy was brutal. He was really brutal.
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Speaker 2: So nobody wanted to cross him in that life because
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Speaker 2: they knew if they you got one shot at him,
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Speaker 2: if you missed, you're in trouble deep.
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Speaker 1: Michael Michael Frenzies dot com Go and follow our good
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Speaker 1: I always appreciate the time and the access. And that's
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Speaker 1: just nuts to me because I know what the goal
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Speaker 1: was of the New York crime families. Make as much
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Speaker 1: money as you can control the rackets, do things, and
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Speaker 1: get away with it. It was almost a cat and
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Speaker 1: mouse with the authorities. I get it. And yes there
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Speaker 1: was some brutality there, and yes people died. I mean
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Speaker 1: I understand that. Can you, for the life of you,
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Speaker 1: even going back to you know, in your memories of
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Speaker 1: living in that life, can you imagine why you would
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Speaker 1: want to be to eat somebody else's flesh or pull
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Speaker 1: somebody's heart out again, I get it. You want to
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Speaker 1: scare everybody to death to even try to lift a
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Speaker 1: finger to you. I understand that. But this is this
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Speaker 1: seems to be almost ritualistic. This seems to be some
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Speaker 1: sort of a disgusting religious thing. What is this, Joe?
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Speaker 2: You know, you got to understand the difference between the
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Speaker 2: American mafia and even the mafia in Italy and the cartels.
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Speaker 2: They're really in a whole different universe. Understand this. The
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Speaker 2: cartels in Mexico, they're basically a paramilitary unit. They have weapons,
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Speaker 2: they have military capacity weapons, They control a vast part
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Speaker 2: of the country. In many ways, the government doesn't even
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Speaker 2: want to mess with them because they know how what
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Speaker 2: an effect and an impact it'll have on the entire country,
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Speaker 2: right because there'll be bloodshed, there'll be cities exploding, there'll
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Speaker 2: be people getting killed, it'll be a war, it'll be
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Speaker 2: an internal war. So they try to do their best
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Speaker 2: to appease them. I believe if it wasn't for the
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Speaker 2: United States putting pressure on Mexico, they wouldn't even bother
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Speaker 2: with these cartels. They let them do their business and
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Speaker 2: they'd leave it alone. That's what I believe, But the
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Speaker 2: American government puts a lot of pressure on them. We
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Speaker 2: were not even in the same universe. We had a
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Speaker 2: different way of controlling the country. We did it differently.
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Speaker 2: We weren't as brutal as that. People got killed in
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Speaker 2: our life, no question, but we weren't brutal like that, Joe.
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Speaker 2: We weren't involved in the drug We're not in the
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Speaker 2: same breadth or universe when it comes to drugs as
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Speaker 2: the cartels were. And that's true of Italy too, even
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Speaker 2: though in Italy there were major heroin dealers, but they
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Speaker 2: didn't act like this. We were told, you don't bother families,
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Speaker 2: you don't bother women, you don't bother children, you don't
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Speaker 2: go after government people, you don't go after the media.
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Speaker 2: In Mexico, they go after everybody. You don't cross them,
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Speaker 2: so people are feared. The big way they keep control
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Speaker 2: is by fear if people don't want to mess with
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Speaker 2: them in any way. And it's different with us. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying there wasn't a level of fear with us,
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Speaker 2: but not anywhere to the extent of the cartels.
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Speaker 1: And you make this clear to me a lot of times, Michael,
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Speaker 1: that you guys aren't going after families. You guys were
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Speaker 1: not going after somebody who wasn't involved in some form
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Speaker 1: or fashion with the business of the families. And again,
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Speaker 1: as you said, you're not going after law enforcement. Although
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Speaker 1: there was a three to two vote to almost take
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Speaker 1: out Rudy Giuliani, but at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't anything like this. When we see Elmentho taking
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Speaker 1: out what happened immediately. They're setting cars on fire with
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Speaker 1: anybody driving down the road. They're taking over gas stations
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Speaker 1: and blowing them up. They blow up the Costco and
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Speaker 1: they're looking at plumes of smoke coming out of a
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Speaker 1: place where people just go and shop. What is this reaction?
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Speaker 1: Is it again to control the population? Don't mess with us?
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Speaker 1: Is it a reaction that they're in morning. I can't
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Speaker 1: believe you got our guy because I thought they would
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Speaker 1: be infighting like you and I just talked about. Plus,
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Speaker 1: they're going after the national Guard that took him out.
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Speaker 1: They killed thirty or thirty five of them so far.
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Speaker 1: But why are you going after the population? Why are
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Speaker 1: you attacking Costco? Can you figure that out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's a show of strength, show of power, and
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Speaker 2: they're basically telling the government, if you continue this, you
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Speaker 2: come after us, you continue this, this is what's going
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Speaker 2: to happen. There's going to be chaos and bloodshed over
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Speaker 2: the entire country. You know, they did it in various
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Speaker 2: cities all over the country. They're making the Mexican government
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Speaker 2: know this is going to be in all out war.
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Speaker 2: Are you ready for it? And that's what would back
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Speaker 2: them off. There's no question about it.
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Speaker 1: Michael. I've got to ask you, do you think that
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Speaker 1: it was smart of the US government to admit our
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Speaker 1: intelligence helped. And here's why I say that. We know
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people in Portavarta who are
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Speaker 1: from here. We know there are a lot of people
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Speaker 1: in Cancun. People go to Mexico all the time, Honoray,
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Speaker 1: They're everywhere the Mexico city. We know that Americans are there,
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Speaker 1: and we had to know that they'd be in harm's
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Speaker 1: way if we say, hey, we help them get the
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Speaker 1: bad guy. That's what the shelter in place thing is.
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Speaker 1: So so again, do you think it was smart to
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Speaker 1: say immediately our intelligence helped to get this guy.
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Speaker 2: No? I don't because I think you know, obviously it
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Speaker 2: wasn't intentional, but they did put, you know, American citizens
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Speaker 2: in harm's way absolutely, and right now. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: advise any American citizen until until there's some level of
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Speaker 2: control there and we know what's going to happen, I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't go there, you know, and I think we're being
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Speaker 2: advised not to go there. And I visit Portabat there
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Speaker 2: quite a bit. We have a condo down and it's
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Speaker 2: always been a peaceful city, but now you know you
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Speaker 2: can't trust it anymore. I don't think the American government
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Speaker 2: should have should have made an announcement on that. I
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Speaker 2: think it was. It was irresponsible. That's that's my opinion.
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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this Michael Freendz dot
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Speaker 1: one of the few that's not following them on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: He's got millions of followers there. When you go to Portavarta,
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Speaker 1: and when you're there and you're relaxing and you're just
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Speaker 1: having a week away or whatever it is, are you
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Speaker 1: cognizant of the fact that it's being run by a cartel.
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Speaker 1: This Hellisco cartel clearly was running that area, but they
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Speaker 1: weren't going to get involved in getting away of the
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Speaker 1: tourism that was going on. Do you know when you
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Speaker 1: go there that that's a controlled area?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's always in the back of your mind.
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Speaker 2: You know, my wife is Mexican, Mexican American, and she,
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Speaker 2: you know, her dad had relationships with a lot of
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Speaker 2: people even in the Mexican mafia at one time, right,
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Speaker 2: and you know, so we were aware of their control,
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Speaker 2: but we were also aware that you know, they they
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Speaker 2: have a lot of the legitimate businesses there that they're
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Speaker 2: part of, so they don't want to upset tourism. But
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Speaker 2: when something like this happens, well then the gloves are
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Speaker 2: off and they're showing the government, hey, you want to
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Speaker 2: mess with us, then this is what's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: We're going to cause chaos all over the country and
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Speaker 2: we'll fight you again. You know, a lot of the
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Speaker 2: weapons that they're you know, here's the problem, Joe. The
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Speaker 2: only way they're ever going to get this under control
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Speaker 2: as far as the drugs coming into this country, just
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Speaker 2: two ways. Number One, they got to educate the They
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Speaker 2: got to keep the borders closed. Obviously, it makes it
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Speaker 2: more difficult. They got to educate our kids at a
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Speaker 2: young age the dangers of drugs. They have to do that.
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Speaker 2: It's got to be taught in the schools. They have to.
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Speaker 2: They have to stop the demand here in America. And
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Speaker 2: you know the other thing that's happening. A lot of
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Speaker 2: the arms that the Mexicans have it coming from the
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Speaker 2: American black market. We're the ones that giving them the
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Speaker 2: arms that they have, you know, to fight the government.
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Speaker 2: So it's a two way street. Is it ever going
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Speaker 2: to stop it? Is this going to cause you know
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Speaker 2: the drug war here in this country to stop. The
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Speaker 2: answer is now, somebody is always going to fill in
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, until they really get this under control.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if they can do it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if the Mexican government has the will to
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Speaker 2: do it, and I don't know how much pressure of
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Speaker 2: the United States is going to keep putting on them.
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Speaker 2: But this is this is a tough situation, and I
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Speaker 2: am advising Americans stay out of there for now. You
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: I think it's great advice. Michael Francis dot com go
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Speaker 1: Frans east Wine, let's compare and contrast when Castelana was
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Speaker 1: taken out at that point, do you think if they
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Speaker 1: had the wherewithal that the United States government, the federal government,
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Speaker 1: the FBI, even the Southern District of New York, had
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Speaker 1: they gone in, could they have shut down the game,
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Speaker 1: you know, crime family if they wanted to when the
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Speaker 1: boss was taken out? Or is that not a possibility.
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is, I wonder could the Mexican government,
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Speaker 1: if it had the wherewithal, maybe with our help, could
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Speaker 1: they take out this entire cartel now because this guy
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Speaker 1: is gone, or is that too much of a reach.
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Speaker 2: No, Well, you know, as far as the mafia in
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Speaker 2: New York, I mean, they did a lot of damage
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Speaker 2: to us, Joe, it was all the Rico Act that
14:22
Speaker 2: did it. It was and look, you got to give
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Speaker 2: Rudy the credit or the blame, depending upon what side
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Speaker 2: you're on. He was he was the guy that put
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Speaker 2: it into effect in a big way, and he damaged
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Speaker 2: it the right way. He turned so many people into
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Speaker 2: informants and he was able to put you know, the
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Speaker 2: major players in jail, and that's what did it put
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Speaker 2: a real dent in that life. Mexico, it's different. You know,
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Speaker 2: they would have to be an all out war. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there would be a war in that country, and they
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Speaker 2: would do it exactly what they did a couple of
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Speaker 2: days ago. They'd be bombing every city, they'd be taking
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Speaker 2: people hostage, they'd be killing people in the streets. They
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Speaker 2: don't have a value of human life in that regard.
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Speaker 2: So the Mexican government knows, hey, we're going to be
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Speaker 2: a war. This is going to be a war. Whether
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Speaker 2: the United States get involved at that part, at that point.
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Speaker 2: If a Mexican government has them to I think we would,
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Speaker 2: I really do. But it's not going to happen because
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Speaker 2: the country would be devastated. For quite you'd see a
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Speaker 2: war like you're having in Ukraine. It would be the
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Speaker 2: same thing. It would be a war.
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Speaker 1: Well, Michael, think about it. You mentioned this earlier in passing.
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Speaker 1: You guys owned politicians back in the day, all the
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Speaker 1: families did. You had a bunch of people on the take,
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Speaker 1: whether there were cops or senators or representatives. You'd have
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Speaker 1: to imagine the Mexican cartels probably have a number of
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Speaker 1: high level people in office in Mexico, so that would
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Speaker 1: make it even harder to do something in that way. Right,
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Speaker 1: these people are getting enriched by the cartel. You do
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Speaker 1: what I say and you keep on getting your money,
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Speaker 2: No question. There was a conversation that I overheard, a
16:45
Speaker 2: wiredtap conversation between omensho and a police chief and he
16:49
Speaker 2: was telling him straight out, hey, we pay you. You
16:52
Speaker 2: know what are you doing? You want war, We'll give
16:54
Speaker 2: you all out war. This was a conversation going back
16:57
Speaker 2: and forth, and the police chief kept saying, I know,
16:59
Speaker 2: I understand, and I'm sorry. He was apologizing, apologizing, So
17:04
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, they have many people on the take
17:06
Speaker 2: and on the payroll there, you know, more on the
17:08
Speaker 2: local level than in the government itself. But it's both ways.
17:12
Speaker 2: I think the Mexican government they just want peace. They
17:15
Speaker 2: want to keep it calm. They don't want to upset
17:17
Speaker 2: the apple cart And if they did, and they had
17:20
Speaker 2: the will and the desire and they say no, we're
17:23
Speaker 2: gonna end this, there would be an all out war.
17:26
Speaker 2: Here's the horrible thing, Joe. These people in these cartels
17:29
Speaker 2: are stronger than ever now because of fentanyl and these
17:34
Speaker 2: meth and feminines and fetamines whatever, you know. They can
17:38
Speaker 2: be produced synthetically twenty four hours a day, seven days
17:41
Speaker 2: a week. It's not like they have to wait for
17:44
Speaker 2: plans to grow and then harness them and do their thing.
17:47
Speaker 2: These things are creating in the lab twenty four to
17:49
Speaker 2: seven and there's such a demand for it that they're
17:52
Speaker 2: making more money than they've ever made before. And this
17:55
Speaker 2: they have more power and they have more influence than
17:57
Speaker 2: they've ever had.
17:58
Speaker 1: It is Michael Frenzies from a Copper Regime of the
18:00
Speaker 1: Columbus crime family in New York. He's a pastor he's reformed,
18:03
Speaker 1: he's an author, he's an amazing guy and a very
18:06
Speaker 1: very good friend of mine when we talk about what's
18:08
Speaker 1: going on with the cartels and the upheaval, and you're right,
18:10
Speaker 1: they would start a war in Mexico. We do have
18:13
Speaker 1: the ability because our government has said that these cartels
18:16
Speaker 1: are terrorist organizations. We could send in drones and just
18:19
Speaker 1: blow them off the map. Now, I think that that
18:21
Speaker 1: would make it really rough in Mexico, I get it.
18:24
Speaker 1: But internationally, through their terrorism laws, we could do that. Michael.
18:29
Speaker 1: If Donald Trump called you today and said, hey, Frenzies,
18:32
Speaker 1: should I send in some drones and take these guys out?
18:35
Speaker 1: What would your advice be?
18:37
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the problem there is I know that
18:39
Speaker 2: a lot of innocent people are going to be killed
18:41
Speaker 2: because they're going to react, and like I said, they
18:43
Speaker 2: don't in their view, it's not let's go after the enemy.
18:47
Speaker 2: The enemy is everybody at that point. If they're going
18:49
Speaker 2: to kill people, it would be such a devastating thing
18:53
Speaker 2: to that country. Joe, it would be a very hard call.
18:56
Speaker 2: I think if it wasn't that way, you know, then
18:59
Speaker 2: I think the the Mexican American government would get together
19:01
Speaker 2: and they would do that, but it would be devastation.
19:05
Speaker 2: A lot of innocent people would die, so it would
19:07
Speaker 2: be hard for me to, you know, pull a plug
19:09
Speaker 2: on something like that.
19:10
Speaker 1: Really, let me ask you a personal question that you've
19:14
Speaker 1: never run away from with me before, and I always
19:16
Speaker 1: love your answers. Why didn't you become numb to human
19:19
Speaker 1: life when you were in that life? And here's what
19:21
Speaker 1: I mean. You were bringing in billions of dollars through
19:23
Speaker 1: the gas scheme and through the tax scheme for your family.
19:27
Speaker 1: But I don't feel as though you ever lost who
19:29
Speaker 1: you were as a human, if that makes any sense.
19:32
Speaker 1: It appears to me that these cartel members just don't care.
19:36
Speaker 1: They'll kill you on the spot. They'll take out fifteen
19:38
Speaker 1: people if they have to, kill thirty National Guard if
19:40
Speaker 1: they have to, and blow up Costco if they have to.
19:43
Speaker 1: Why didn't you go beyond that realm? And I don't
19:46
Speaker 1: think it's just you. I think a lot of people
19:48
Speaker 1: from the old crime families they were brutal. You guys
19:50
Speaker 1: weren't doing, you know, nice things. But at the same time,
19:53
Speaker 1: there seemed to be something that stopped you from becoming
19:55
Speaker 1: what these monsters are.
19:58
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Joe I think we grew differently. You know,
20:01
Speaker 2: I heard a I interviewed a cartel member once and
20:04
Speaker 2: I said to him, what is it with this drug business?
20:06
Speaker 2: And he said, Michael, it's either I sell drugs or
20:08
Speaker 2: I don't eat. That's how I grew up. They had nothing. Now,
20:12
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up in a situation like that number one.
20:15
Speaker 2: So you know, they look at the drug business for
20:17
Speaker 2: their way to survive, you know, many of them. And
20:20
Speaker 2: if you have brutality on the top and they're saying
20:23
Speaker 2: this is what you need to do, you know, it's
20:25
Speaker 2: either you or the person next to you. Well, you're
20:28
Speaker 2: going to choose that route, and you're going to go
20:29
Speaker 2: that way. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just saying,
20:32
Speaker 2: that's kind of an explanation in my turn, Joe. You know,
20:35
Speaker 2: I got to get you know, I got to get
20:37
Speaker 2: real personal. There were times many times in that life
20:40
Speaker 2: when I was told to do something that I was
20:42
Speaker 2: very uncomfortable doing. It didn't sit right with me. I
20:45
Speaker 2: didn't like it and I didn't want to do it.
20:47
Speaker 2: The problem with me is I did it anyway because
20:51
Speaker 2: this was my life. I took an oath, I was
20:53
Speaker 2: given an order and we did what we had to do.
20:56
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of people in that position
20:58
Speaker 2: in that life that I know of fact, you know, Joe,
21:01
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. I'll relate this story. It's significant.
21:04
Speaker 2: There was a guy, another made guy with me that
21:06
Speaker 2: I knew very well, two brothers in that life I
21:09
Speaker 2: was very close to. Well. One day he asked me
21:11
Speaker 2: to drive him home, you know, into Brooklyn. So I
21:13
Speaker 2: drive him home and we get in front of his
21:15
Speaker 2: house and he said, do me a favorite, wait here,
21:17
Speaker 2: don't leave. I said, okay. So he goes up to
21:20
Speaker 2: his front door and he opens the door and he
21:23
Speaker 2: puts his head in and he's a couple of seconds
21:26
Speaker 2: and then he shuts the door, comes back in the
21:28
Speaker 2: car and I said, what happened? He said, well, nobody's home.
21:32
Speaker 2: And I says, well, yeah, but it's your house. You
21:34
Speaker 2: open the door. Why didn't you go in? He said,
21:36
Speaker 2: I can't go in my house. I said, what do
21:37
Speaker 2: you mean you can't go and nobody's home? I said,
21:40
Speaker 2: but what do you mean by that? Well, as it
21:42
Speaker 2: turns out, Joe, thirty years earlier, his father, who was
21:46
Speaker 2: also a made guy, allegedly fooled around with another maid
21:49
Speaker 2: guy's wife or daughter, I don't remember exactly. And the
21:52
Speaker 2: two brothers were given the contract to kill their father
21:55
Speaker 2: and they did. He said, Michael, I am telling you
21:58
Speaker 2: this three times. Three times my father's ghost appeared to
22:02
Speaker 2: me in that house. I can't be in that house
22:05
Speaker 2: alone because it haunts me. And he said, I'm so
22:09
Speaker 2: sorry for what I did. He broke down in the car,
22:12
Speaker 2: broke down with me. I've never seen anything like that
22:14
Speaker 2: in my life. What's my point on this? Sometimes, you know,
22:19
Speaker 2: I've said this, why do good people do bad things?
22:22
Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean that you're a bad person or
22:24
Speaker 2: an evil person. I'm not making excuses. You should be
22:27
Speaker 2: held accountable anyhow. But sometimes there are things that caused
22:31
Speaker 2: you to do something that you just really don't want
22:34
Speaker 2: to do. And I think there was a lot of
22:37
Speaker 2: people in that life in that position, from the guys
22:40
Speaker 2: that I knew, because you know, people say to me, Michael,
22:42
Speaker 2: you know, it was such a bad life. It was
22:44
Speaker 2: a bad life. I don't glorify the life, but it
22:47
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that everybody in that life was a bad person.
22:50
Speaker 2: And I know that's a hard concept to understand that
22:52
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make excuses for anybody, but I
22:55
Speaker 2: was kind of in that category. I wasn't comfortable with
22:58
Speaker 2: the things I was told to do, and I certainly
23:00
Speaker 2: didn't initiate things on my own. But when I was
23:03
Speaker 2: given an order and it was an uncomfortable order, I
23:06
Speaker 2: did it because I felt I had to, and I
23:08
Speaker 2: took an oath to do it, And yes, I regretted
23:11
Speaker 2: it afterwards, no question.
23:13
Speaker 1: And you've always said that you know you did not
23:16
Speaker 1: like what you did. You're not making any apologies or
23:18
Speaker 1: any excuses. The reason I bring it up and thank
23:21
Speaker 1: you for relating that story. That's tragic, to be honest.
23:24
Speaker 1: The reason I bring it up is that my feeling
23:26
Speaker 1: is my perception is that they don't have the same
23:28
Speaker 1: conscience in these Mexican cartels, because when you're seeing an
23:33
Speaker 1: El Paso you've got five murders in a year, and
23:35
Speaker 1: you've got forty thousand in Warez, which is right over
23:37
Speaker 1: the border. There's something different on that side. When it
23:40
Speaker 1: comes to a cartel, money is more important than life.
23:44
Speaker 1: And I guess that's the reason why I bring it up.
23:45
Speaker 1: And I wonder what takes you. You mentioned it about drugs,
23:48
Speaker 1: and maybe this is exactly what it is, because there
23:50
Speaker 1: was for so long with the Five Families resisted dealing drugs,
23:53
Speaker 1: they ended up getting into them. But even in the Godfather,
23:56
Speaker 1: you see that there was a big, you know, a
23:58
Speaker 1: war over whether you're going to deal with drugs or not.
24:01
Speaker 1: And the old school was you don't because that kills
24:03
Speaker 1: your kids and it kills generations, Whereas it seems as
24:05
Speaker 1: though in Mexico that's that's the that's it. Drugs are life.
24:10
Speaker 1: Is that is it? Do you think that's the separation point? Michael,
24:12
Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I just said.
24:14
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it became it became a big part of them
24:18
Speaker 2: having a decent life. And unfortunately, you know, look in
24:22
Speaker 2: the mafia here in America. Yes, fear was was part
24:26
Speaker 2: of the things that people looked at with us, and
24:28
Speaker 2: we got respect as a result of that. But it
24:31
Speaker 2: wasn't We didn't go out there to strike fear in everybody.
24:34
Speaker 2: You know, I learned at an early age it's better
24:36
Speaker 2: to make friends and make people respect you and get
24:39
Speaker 2: things done than it is to have them fear you.
24:41
Speaker 2: You know, there's a thing in the Godfather, I mean,
24:43
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. In the Bronx Tale with Chaz palmonary good friend.
24:47
Speaker 2: I said, Chaz, in the in the movie, you told
24:49
Speaker 2: that kid, it's better to be feared than to be
24:52
Speaker 2: loved as your role as a as a captain and
24:54
Speaker 2: his family. He said yeah. I said, what do you
24:56
Speaker 2: think about that now? He said, no, I feel the
24:59
Speaker 2: same way. I said, as you're wrong, He's what do
25:01
Speaker 2: you mean? I said. Fear does keep people in line,
25:04
Speaker 2: no question about it. However, what happened in our life
25:08
Speaker 2: is the fear of the mob was transferred to the
25:10
Speaker 2: fear of the government when the Rico Act came in,
25:13
Speaker 2: and that's when people started to flip and become informants.
25:16
Speaker 2: When you love somebody, you're not going to hurt somebody.
25:19
Speaker 2: When you fear them, that fear can be transferred. And
25:22
Speaker 2: in the Mexican cartels, they work on fear. They want
25:27
Speaker 2: people to fear them. That's there. That's the you know,
25:31
Speaker 2: the wedge that they hold over everybody. They want to know.
25:34
Speaker 2: They want you to know that if you don't stay
25:37
Speaker 2: in line or you buck us, they're going to be
25:39
Speaker 2: severe consequences. We didn't operate like that. We did not,
25:43
Speaker 2: and I know people are come on, Michael, No, we
25:46
Speaker 2: didn't operate like that you know, you had guys like
25:48
Speaker 2: Joe Colombo, Yes, you knew what he was capable of.
25:52
Speaker 2: Carlo Gambino, you knew what he was capable of. Frank Costello,
25:56
Speaker 2: you know, but they realize that's not the first cost
25:59
Speaker 2: of action. We want you to do business with us,
26:02
Speaker 2: We want you to respect you. They call Frank Costello
26:04
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister why because he had many politicians that
26:07
Speaker 2: he had on the payroll that he was working with.
26:10
Speaker 2: The best way to do business here in this country
26:12
Speaker 2: was to make friends with people, to make them respect
26:15
Speaker 2: you and make them want to be involved with you.
26:17
Speaker 2: You know, the fear is always in the background. It's
26:19
Speaker 2: always there, but you don't put it up front. The
26:21
Speaker 2: smart people didn't put it up front. Mexico totally different.
26:25
Speaker 2: They want you to know, you mess around, you're gonna die.
26:27
Speaker 2: We're gonna cut your heart out, cut your head off.
26:29
Speaker 2: That's it. We're going to hang you in the square
26:31
Speaker 2: for everybody to see. And that's how they keep people
26:33
Speaker 2: in line.
26:34
Speaker 1: So it's about loyalty. You can get loyalty through fear,
26:36
Speaker 1: or you can get loyalty through love, and of course
26:38
Speaker 1: loyalty through love. You're going to actually probably keep that loyalty.
26:40
Speaker 1: They don't seem to care about who they love, who
26:42
Speaker 1: they don't love. It's about the billions of dollars. And
26:44
Speaker 1: I still think there's some weird ritualistic reason on top
26:47
Speaker 1: of the fear factor for why they're doing these disgusting things.
26:50
Speaker 1: I know you only have a few minutes left, Michael,
26:51
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Let me just throw this out there.
26:54
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people from the DHS lately,
26:56
Speaker 1: a lot of officials on from ICE, from DHS, from
26:58
Speaker 1: Border Patrol, and they know that these cartel members are here.
27:03
Speaker 1: So cartel members that came in during the Biden administration,
27:06
Speaker 1: that came across the border illegally, that are now intertwined
27:09
Speaker 1: in neighborhoods. What do you expect might happen with those
27:12
Speaker 1: members that are here from that specific cartel in Hellisco, Mexico.
27:17
Speaker 1: Do you hear that they might do something here? Would
27:19
Speaker 1: you call them sleeper cells? Are they just waiting? What
27:22
Speaker 1: do you think is happening?
27:24
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think they know that they would
27:26
Speaker 2: be met with, you know, real retaliation. The American Government's
27:30
Speaker 2: not going to stand for it, especially on the Trump
27:32
Speaker 2: If this was Biden. It might be something different, but
27:34
Speaker 2: under Trump, they're not going to mess around. I don't
27:36
Speaker 2: believe we're going to have to worry about that here
27:38
Speaker 2: within the United States. You know, unfortunately they are here.
27:42
Speaker 2: We know that, and they and they certainly are acting
27:45
Speaker 2: in different communities and neighborhoods. I know that for a fact.
27:48
Speaker 2: But I don't think we have to worry about any
27:50
Speaker 2: real retaliation here in the United States because they know,
27:53
Speaker 2: you know, they'd pay severe consequences for it.
27:55
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28:06
Speaker 1: the beaten path, because you and I have talked many,
28:07
Speaker 1: many times over the years about how happy you were
28:10
Speaker 1: that Rudy Giuliani cleaned up New York City the way
28:12
Speaker 1: that he did. You were actually stunned when you were
28:14
Speaker 1: arrested and being brought in at how clean it was,
28:16
Speaker 1: how clean Times Square was. Michael, we now have a
28:19
Speaker 1: guy who just doesn't care. In fact, there were police
28:21
Speaker 1: pelted with ice and Rocks in set of snowballs where
28:25
Speaker 1: they had their faces lacerated, and this guy mem Donnie
28:27
Speaker 1: just said on camera in front of the world to
28:30
Speaker 1: see it was a snowball fight, no big deal. You're
28:33
Speaker 1: seeing a city where the police aren't going to back
28:35
Speaker 1: this guy up. You're seeing a city where they're allowing
28:38
Speaker 1: radical Islam to take over Times Square and other gigantic
28:41
Speaker 1: parts where they're screaming and yelling about death to America.
28:44
Speaker 1: What do you see as in New Yorker. I'm a
28:46
Speaker 1: New Yorker too. What do you see is in New
28:47
Speaker 1: Yorker has to happen in that city to bring it
28:49
Speaker 1: back to its glory that we just had thirty years
28:51
Speaker 1: ago under Giuliani. It looks like it's a lost cause.
28:56
Speaker 2: You know, Joe is a former mob guy. I wouldn't
28:58
Speaker 2: have been as disrespectful to the police as Mondamie has
29:02
Speaker 2: been for him to come out and say, oh, he's
29:04
Speaker 2: only a snowball fight among kids. This guy should be
29:07
Speaker 2: impeached immediately. He's some thirty four year old I hate
29:10
Speaker 2: to say it, but I have to have some thirty
29:12
Speaker 2: four year old punk kid that has no clue whatsoever
29:15
Speaker 2: on how to operate the biggest city in the world.
29:18
Speaker 2: I think, my fellow New York are insane to even
29:22
Speaker 2: put this guy anywhere close to where he is. You know,
29:25
Speaker 2: he's this guy. If he lasts for four years, if
29:29
Speaker 2: they don't get rid of him, and I mean get
29:30
Speaker 2: rid of him legally and throw him out of office,
29:33
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened in that city. It's an
29:36
Speaker 2: I am. I'm broken over it because I love New York.
29:39
Speaker 2: It's my home. I love New York. I just can't
29:41
Speaker 2: even believe what I'm hearing from this guy, you know,
29:44
Speaker 2: and the further to further bring that along. I can't
29:47
Speaker 2: believe any of these politicians that are inciting violence against
29:51
Speaker 2: ice agents, police agents. It's insanity. We didn't even do
29:56
Speaker 2: that on the street, Joe, and they came after us
29:58
Speaker 2: every single day, do it? It is that we wouldn't
30:03
Speaker 2: be that disrespectful to law enforcement.
30:05
Speaker 1: Well, you guys weren't disrespectful to the city. And that's
30:07
Speaker 1: my point. I think that was your home. Those neighborhoods
30:10
Speaker 1: were to be protected, the women and children were to
30:12
Speaker 1: be protected. What do you think that the modern mob families,
30:15
Speaker 1: because they still exist, they're not what they used to be,
30:17
Speaker 1: but they still exist. What do you think that their
30:19
Speaker 1: reaction is to what's going on right there in their city?
30:22
Speaker 1: And might they react to it or do they just
30:23
Speaker 1: sit back and go, what are we gonna do?
30:27
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to do anything about it,
30:29
Speaker 2: But honestly, I don't think they like it. I really don't.
30:32
Speaker 2: I really. You know, the local police, they never bothered us.
30:35
Speaker 2: We supported them. Do you know when the Son of Sam,
30:39
Speaker 2: you know, when that whole thing was happening back in
30:40
Speaker 2: the late seventies, do you know that they came to
30:43
Speaker 2: us and asked for help. They said, look, if you
30:45
Speaker 2: can track this guy, if you can find this guy,
30:47
Speaker 2: and we actually helped them. We had people out at
30:50
Speaker 2: night looking for this guy. We weren't able to get him.
30:52
Speaker 2: One night, I thought we had him in Queen's Wow,
30:54
Speaker 2: because I was one of the guys that they came to.
30:56
Speaker 2: We worked with the police in that regard. You know,
30:59
Speaker 2: we what this guy is doing, Joe, It's atrocious. I
31:03
Speaker 2: just can't even believe what I'm seeing. I really I
31:05
Speaker 2: never thought i'd live to see the day when our
31:08
Speaker 2: politicians are actively telling people to hurt our police officer
31:12
Speaker 2: on law enforcement. Yeah, they are that are doing the job.
31:15
Speaker 2: They're just doing their job. That Congress implemented these laws,
31:18
Speaker 2: they're doing the job. Wasn't Trump that put it in,
31:21
Speaker 2: it was Congress that did it. Yeah, and yet this
31:23
Speaker 2: is how they react. And you know the same for
31:25
Speaker 2: New York. I mean, it's horrible what's going on there. Horrible.
31:29
Speaker 1: It's my hope above all hope. And I'll leave you
31:31
Speaker 1: with this that they're hitting critical mass again because before
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Speaker 1: Giuliani got elected and before Battacki got elected, New York
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Speaker 1: had the state and the city had to hit critical mass.
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Speaker 1: They had to see hookers in the streets constantly, had
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Speaker 1: to see X rated garbage. You had to see drunks
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Speaker 1: in the street, people you know, going to the bathroom
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. And New Yorkers finally said, listen,
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Speaker 1: I think I'm a Democrat, but let me hold my
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Speaker 1: nose and see if Giuliani can fix it. And he did,
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Speaker 1: and see if Pattacky can fix it, and he did. Michael,
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Speaker 1: we might see a Republican governor in that state. I
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Speaker 1: think Blakeman is running and we might see so eventually
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get somebody in that Mayor's office that will
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Speaker 1: clean it up. Do you feel like we're hitting critical
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Speaker 1: mass like we did in the late eighties.
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Speaker 2: I actually do. I really do. We need another Rudy
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Speaker 2: Giuliani as mayor of New York. That's what we need.
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Speaker 2: I wish Rudy could run again. I mean it, because
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Speaker 2: he would save the city. And hopefully somebody emerges in
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Speaker 2: that category that will do the same, because the way
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Speaker 2: it's going now, it's only going to get worse and
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Speaker 2: worse and worse. And you're right, I think it will
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Speaker 2: hit critical mass. People are realizing it. I have a
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Speaker 2: lot of family and friends there. They're all disgusted everybody.
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Speaker 2: I have people moving out of that city and droves
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Speaker 2: moving down to Florida and other places. So it's going
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Speaker 2: to hit critical mass, and I think there's going to
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Speaker 2: be a change. Can't happen soon enough, but hopefully it
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Speaker 2: does happen.
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