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My Favorite Things Episode 5: Anya Miller Berg · My Favorite Things

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  SPEAKER_00: Anya Miller Berg, thanks for being here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me, Brendan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to mean that as like,
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  SPEAKER_00: thanks for being here on earth,
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  SPEAKER_00: not just on this little video call that will eventually be a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: But so thanks for being here on earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, didn't have much of a choice in it, but I'm here and I'm milking it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So can you tell us a little bit about who you are?
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  SPEAKER_02: Man, I thought we were just going into favorite things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Start with the basics, cat mom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, God.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't start with that just for fear of sounding crazy, but wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I live in Seattle.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll start with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can start with your job if you want to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a job?
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  SPEAKER_02: I do have a job.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm the creative director at Mountain Hardware.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kind of over the brand expression.
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  SPEAKER_02: So not over the clothing,
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  SPEAKER_02: but you kind of like words,
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  SPEAKER_02: pictures,
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  SPEAKER_02: films,
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  SPEAKER_02: videos that come out for mountain hardware.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's my world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've been doing that for kind of coming up on four years now.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I guess in short,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I've lived in Seattle for almost 16 years now,
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  SPEAKER_02: but was born in Canada.
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  SPEAKER_02: kind of like bounced around the US,
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  SPEAKER_02: spent time growing up in Eastern Tennessee,
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  SPEAKER_02: Chattanooga,
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  SPEAKER_02: went to school in Colorado at CU Boulder,
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  lived in Tahoe for almost eight years and was an architect in
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  my first version of
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  SPEAKER_02: life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now second version, I'm in kind of creative marketing and
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  and brand world um so i live in seattle with my husband charlie
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  and my cat goji and
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  i like to climb and mountain bike and snowboard and basically
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  do whatever the
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  weather lets me do outside so and i've only known you in your
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  second what you say
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  SPEAKER_00: is your second career iteration um
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  You think that's a pretty common career path for people with
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  architecture degrees?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think so.
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  I think one big commonality among people that have architecture
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  degrees is that
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  SPEAKER_02: most of them want to leave the profession.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that could be overstating it, but...
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like a lot of architects you talk to seem burnout,
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  SPEAKER_02: wish they were furniture designers,
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  SPEAKER_02: are starting their own side hustle with like a lighting design company.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're, they're always doing something else.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that the reason for that is that architecture,
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  SPEAKER_02: the schooling really attracts people that are very conceptual and
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  SPEAKER_02: kind of also fancy themselves like good at math.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, but the schooling itself is very conceptual.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's expression of like form on the landscape.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes,
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  SPEAKER_02: you have to take engineering courses,
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  but I think like the people that are attracted to it are very
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  attracted to that
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  SPEAKER_02: kind of conceptual expression of thinking.
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  And when you get into the real world profession of
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  architecture,
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  I feel like
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  SPEAKER_02: About five or 10% of every project includes that expression.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the rest of it is very like project management driven,
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  SPEAKER_02: just like kind of working with the city on permitting.
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  It's like a bunch of red tape that you kind of don't really get
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  introduced to until
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  SPEAKER_02: you're in the profession.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's a bit of whiplash, or at least it was for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: But that 10% of the project that you get to decide what
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  SPEAKER_02: what expression is on the landscape is sick.
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  So,
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  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm now I'm thinking,
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  I think I know three architects total in my life and none of
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  them are practicing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: so,
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  SPEAKER_00: uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: do you,
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  SPEAKER_00: I always think of you as like a,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're like design brain,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: as opposed to mine,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is very verbal,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  SPEAKER_00: in approaching projects.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I can see where you went from that to branding to creative director.
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  SPEAKER_00: In my mind, it makes, it makes total sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: But, um, do you, is that, do you think that's accurate?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think of you as more of a designer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: when you are surrounded by really good designers,
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  SPEAKER_02: I,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I like bulk at calling myself that,
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  SPEAKER_02: oh man,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's like so many other people that are better than me,
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  SPEAKER_02: that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't even want to put that label on myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would say my mind works in like a words and pictures,
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  SPEAKER_02: like a multimedia kind of explanation way.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd rather not just have one mode of expressing myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll draw you a little diagram about it,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll write a paragraph,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then I'll wave my hands about it too.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really similar to a set of architecture plans.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll try to describe what I mean in a multitude of ways.
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  So that if you happen to be a more visual person,
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  you can pick it up that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you happen to be a verbal person, you can pick it up that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: so I think like,
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  SPEAKER_02: I do consider myself a creative person and somebody that,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: tries to communicate in a bunch of different creative ways.
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  SPEAKER_02: A designer is such a very specific term.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I, now that I know so many good designers, I'm like, Hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure I get to be in there, but I aspire to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you a rock climber?
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  SPEAKER_02: also a hard question at this point in my life.
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  Because I got to tell you,
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  there's better rock climbers out there than you,
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  too.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you caught me in my own trap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in a trap of my own making.
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  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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  I feel like in the cartoons when the animal's hanging upside
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  down,
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  flailing around a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like in the little end of the trap, it says imposter syndrome on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am a rock climber.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have been for over, oh, God, 25 years now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: and regardless of how well or badly I'm climbing it at a given point,
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  SPEAKER_02: I still do consider myself that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, let's go with like,
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  creative brain um designer on a good day like you know i guess
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  i think that because
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  we've worked on a project together we're doing projects
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  together and when you think
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  of hey let's let's do this we're doing a video i have to write
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  things down and say
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  you know i have to describe what i think should happen and you
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  would draw it you
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  SPEAKER_00: know you'd storyboard it which is not something i'm capable of so
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  yeah but no yeah it's better yeah um shall we shall we get into
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  your list i would
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  love to get into my list okay this is we're just gonna you're
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  just gonna pick the
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  order yeah what is what is your first pick okay surprise party
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  for brendan okay
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  okay cool um my first pick um for one of my favorite things
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  right now at this point
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  SPEAKER_02: in time flag in the sand
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  um is this book show and tell it's called teenagers in their
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  bedrooms by adrian
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  challenger have you ever looked at this book no i've never
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  heard of it till right
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  now oh it's a really good book um so first of all i got it as a
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  gift from a good
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  SPEAKER_02: friend of mine brian limoges and
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a completely surprise gift.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was for no, like for no occasion.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was just like, he sent it to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: this reminds me of you,
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  which I think are such fun gifts to receive because whether you
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  want it or not,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a little bit like a mirror getting shoved up in your face,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, okay, cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had seen this book advertised.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was a re-release this year, but it was originally released in 1995.
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  SPEAKER_02: And essentially the concept of the book,
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  SPEAKER_02: like Adrian Salinger basically,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know exactly how they met all of the subjects,
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  but like literally like in malls and places like that in like
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  the 80s and 90s.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  They would start talking with the teenager and,
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  you know,
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  tell them about this project.
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  SPEAKER_02: And basically they wanted to take images of their room kind of untouched,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: basically walk into a teenager's room,
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  SPEAKER_02: talk about why the things were up on the walls as they are.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, very similar to this podcast, essentially.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, why are these your favorite things?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why do they bring you joy?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why do you surround yourself with them?
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  And I think like a bedroom in your teenage years is such a cool
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  proxy for this type
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  SPEAKER_02: of conversation.
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  Cause you just collect like any little shard of thing and like
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  stick it up on the
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  SPEAKER_02: wall and be like,
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  SPEAKER_02: this feels like me.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what I want to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is, you know, what I used to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just this kind of.
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, life collage.
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  And it's the only place in a teenager's life a lot of times
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  where you do have that
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  SPEAKER_02: freedom to kind of paint that around you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the book itself is just like beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: The images apparently took like hours to set up lighting on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again,
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  SPEAKER_02: they weren't like overly sculpted,
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  SPEAKER_02: but the pictures are just,
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  SPEAKER_02: they express the teenager's personalities like in a glance.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you can almost tell like how their parents parented them.
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  And then there is a few paragraph description of their life
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  experience to that point.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just a really amazing book.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I just can't, honestly, I can't even get over it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think like when I think back to my room,
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  SPEAKER_02: like my mom wouldn't let me put pins or nails in the wall.
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  and so i had you remember that like crappy little gummy sticky
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  stuff that you could
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  put up that left like oily stains on walls it's either pink or
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  blue right yeah yeah
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  i mean it was so weak too so you couldn't really hang up heavy
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  stuff with it but
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  SPEAKER_02: like i had that stuff all over my walls with like
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  SPEAKER_02: CD inserts,
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  SPEAKER_02: shards for magazines,
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  SPEAKER_02: things that I had drawn,
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  SPEAKER_02: things that my brother had given me,
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  SPEAKER_02: just kind of like pictures of friends,
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  SPEAKER_02: everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my room was very important to me growing up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think like,
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  SPEAKER_02: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_02: it sounds silly,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it was almost one of those things that led me into architecture.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I had a bunk bed with no bottom bunk.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had this little nook that I kind of set up.
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  a space under the bed in and just like could go in there and
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  listen to music or
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  SPEAKER_02: draw,
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  SPEAKER_02: keep all the little things that I thought were like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: magic in some way for me,
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  SPEAKER_02: like weird eraser collections or,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: scratch and stiff stickers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And,
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  SPEAKER_02: Whatever, whatever it was.
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  But I really like this book because I think there's something
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  like as an adult and
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  SPEAKER_02: the house that I have now,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's some sort of like tentativeness sometimes like,
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  SPEAKER_02: ooh,
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  SPEAKER_02: maybe I shouldn't put this up on the wall or this seems crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not like pared down enough or clean enough in here.
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  But that kind of unabashed surrounding yourself with just
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  things that like fill you
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  SPEAKER_02: up with inspiration and have those like inputs.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just like a regrounding piece for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when you're,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you're cohabitating with your partner,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's always like the,
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  SPEAKER_00: we have to have this conversation about,
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  SPEAKER_00: is it okay if I hang this on the wall or,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: what is this?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I wonder,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  that's the teenage bedroom or potentially one of your places
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  you live in as a
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  SPEAKER_00: single person.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like the last place that's truly just yours, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting to think about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why is this book, what's, what's going on right now that, that, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: that is making you gravitate towards this book?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think in,
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  SPEAKER_02: when you have a creative job,
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  you need to keep the coffers full of kind of positive inputs
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  that have nothing to
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  SPEAKER_02: do with marketing initiatives or business hierarchies or budgets,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: those kinds of things.
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  And to me,
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  it's like kind of easy to get sucked into those details for the
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  job itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think like just the,
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  SPEAKER_02: again,
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  the pure expression of like surround yourself with things that
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  help shape your
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  SPEAKER_02: personality,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: music,
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  SPEAKER_02: print pieces,
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  SPEAKER_02: um,
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  SPEAKER_02: your clothes,
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  SPEAKER_02: the way you keep your clothes.
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  SPEAKER_02: things that feel important to you, let the things go that don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's just,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's something that as I go further into my career,
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  SPEAKER_02: I like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you just,
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  SPEAKER_02: you do need to really pay attention to what inputs you're taking in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that again,
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  SPEAKER_02: as we get older,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: this is not like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: a 40 somethings,
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  SPEAKER_02: how 40 somethings bedroom should look like,
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  SPEAKER_02: Ooh,
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  that's a trap you get yourself into and you end up not putting
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  things up that bring
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  you joy or just kind of gravitating towards those things that
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  may not be like age
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  SPEAKER_02: appropriate or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a reminder and an inspiration to like,
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  SPEAKER_02: just put stuff up,
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  SPEAKER_02: even if it's maybe a little bit crooked.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like the cover of this,
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  book there's like a psychedelic furs album and it's put up on
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  the wall with pins
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  but it's like at some like rando angle on the wall it's like a
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  30 degree angle and
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  there's all these posters that are like in that angle so the
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  girl's room almost
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  looks like it's a like tilted room with like a sloped floor or
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  something yeah you
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  SPEAKER_02: know and she's got an asymmetrical haircut and
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  SPEAKER_02: And she's got like Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back bedding.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like she's got this kind of old school radio,
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  SPEAKER_02: a drafting lamp,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's like things collected like from her family and parents and like,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's just very eclectic.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just,
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  I think it's such a pure representation because at that time
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  you don't really have
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  SPEAKER_02: the money yet to like have some exquisite taste be expressed in a space.
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  You just like struggle and grasp at the things that you can get
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  your hands on that
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  SPEAKER_02: like mean something to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's, I just, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just how it feels to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: It feels like a great, like, it's like a call to action for me almost.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  To like back at that age of semi innocence where you didn't
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  care what was,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: how many people were actually going to see your bedroom,
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  SPEAKER_00: your parents who have known you your entire life,
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  SPEAKER_00: your siblings,
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: and then maybe a friend or two or a potential love interest,
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: whatever.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wanted to see my room.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like remember saying that.
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  i you know what we have a three-year-old at our house right now
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  who loves to say
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  that you want to see my room and i'm like it's like the most um
• 16:12
  touching thing like
• 16:13
  this is his stuff you know it's so so cute anyway yeah i want
• 16:18
  to see my room yeah
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  the thing you said about the gift that was not for any occasion
• 16:24
  it's like that's
• 16:25
  like that's like the true a true gift you know it's not like oh
• 16:29
  i knew your
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: birthday was coming up so i had to buy you something
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  So I went out looking for stuff or like the holidays were
• 16:35
  coming and I was getting
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: everybody else,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: the something.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to find something for you.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: So here's a candle.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought you would like her or whatever,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: it's like now when you buy it,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: you buy somebody a gift,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: like during the year,
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: it's like here,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: as long as it's,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: as long as it hits the mark.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  And if it's like really way off base,
• 16:53
  you'd be like,
• 16:54
  what were you thinking,
• 16:55
  Brian?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's how you see me.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: That could also be really funny though, when it's way off base.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's like a whole other show here, maybe.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I do,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: I really love,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: I love the idea,
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  like when you see something and it just overwhelms you so much
• 17:13
  that you're like,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: oh my God,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Brendan should have this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like he needs this surrounding his person or,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: somebody,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: just even if it's not somebody who you would typically give a gift to,
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's just,
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: it's so touching to receive those things and it's grounding in some way,
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: even if it isn't how you see yourself,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: if somebody else sees you that way,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: that's also meaningful in a certain way.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's a New Year's resolution is like,
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: you can get the gift or you can even just send somebody a picture of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like,
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: this makes me think of you like deeply,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: if you don't have the money or something to buy that,
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: it's just like,
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  It's those little pebbles of thought that remind people of each
• 18:02
  other,
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  I think is important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  I think that's literally the term for it is pebbling when you
• 18:07
  send people little
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: things and like,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: less,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: fewer than like two or three a day.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: That was nice.
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  You know,
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  it's for,
• 18:16
  for most people,
• 18:16
  unless it's like,
• 18:17
  you want two or three an hour.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's too much.
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  Cause then you got to react like a gravel dump truck of
• 18:25
  pebbles,
• 18:25
  like being.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you were thinking of me all day today.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is kind of weird.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so grab bag number two.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: What's item number two?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Grab bag number two is a Spanish clothing brand called Bobo Chooses.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Bo chooses.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that, thought maybe.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay,
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: so first of all,
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's something lost in translation,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: but you spell it B-O-B-O,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: and then it's C-H-O-S-E-S,
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  SPEAKER_02: because choose has two O's,
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: but it's not chooses.
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  so i always say it as but i think it's just like a translation
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  thing but but
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  regardless so this brand started as a kids clothing brand um i
• 19:24
  don't know exactly
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: when they moved into like women's and unisex like adult clothes but
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I do like the clothes themselves.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're all, they're very colorful.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Pattern always plays a role.
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  SPEAKER_02: They have multiple capsules a year.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just,
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
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  it's for people who really have a children's and like child's
• 19:53
  imagination.
• 19:54
  and kind of want fun when they put on clothes in the morning
• 20:00
  but what i really
• 20:01
  admire about the brand so like the clothes are really high
• 20:04
  quality they're nice
• 20:05
  it's um you know a lot of like high-end organic cotton bright
• 20:09
  colors cool prints
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  plays on proportion but i really what i love about it is the
• 20:17
  way they ideate
• 20:20
  their capsules so i don't know whether they back into these
• 20:24
  concepts or whether
• 20:25
  it's their like strategy like starter foundation i would have
• 20:28
  to like reach out to
• 20:29
  them and ask but um to me it looks so thought out that it has
• 20:35
  to be their like
• 20:36
  kernel of thought that begins the season is their like thesis
• 20:39
  you know their design
• 20:40
  thesis so they have these concepts and i just pulled a few out
• 20:44
  like on their
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: website there's a magazine tab and this is where they've kind of
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, cataloged all of their seasonal themes.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: One was I am a poet.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: The other one was just, it's just games.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the most recent one.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the way that plays out is like on a lot of their,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: print graphics,
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: they'll,
• 21:07
  they have kind of a seasonal print graphic theme and it'll have
• 21:09
  like tic-tac-toe on
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: it or some
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: like a chess piece in a really cool like illustration.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: The Once Upon a Time was one of them.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: They did this,
• 21:21
  like all of their photo shoots for that season were like around
• 21:28
  this faux castle
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: somewhere.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like a tiny castle and they had kids and adults just like,
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: it just looked magical and fun.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I just, I really love,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: the kind of crispness of their seasonal theme.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't have to mean anything.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just imagination.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: They're not overly trying to connect it to culture.
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  They're not,
• 21:54
  you know,
• 21:54
  they,
• 21:55
  they're not just,
• 21:57
  it's just play and imagination for joy's sake.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: And the clothes just bring a lot of joy.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I have a few of
• 22:09
  the pieces and I always kind of like want more just not because
• 22:14
  I want to like
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: stack up my closet with random stuff I don't need but just the joy that's
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: communicated with every seasonal capsule.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just, I just think it's so.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do you,
• 22:26
  do you have a memory or like a time when you were a kid where
• 22:31
  you were first
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: realizing you could dress however you wanted?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And like,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: do you remember,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: was there a grade where you're like,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to do,
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to do this and see how it goes over at school or.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I think like, and I don't think this is rare, but I think for a lot of
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: kids,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: that kind of moment is not like a turning point,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: but this struggle between like your parents and you.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I just like for a bit of context, I'm the youngest of four kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And all of us are at least five years apart.
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  So like,
• 23:14
  you know,
• 23:14
  5,
• 23:15
  10,
• 23:17
  15,
• 23:15
  my oldest sibling is 15 years older than me.
• 23:20
  And,
• 23:20
  you know,
• 23:21
  if you know anybody with kids,
• 23:22
  they keep clothes,
• 23:24
  they pass them down.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: they don't want to like,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 23:28
  a lot of people don't want to kind of rebuy clothes for the
• 23:31
  younger siblings.
• 23:32
  So I had a lot,
• 23:33
  a lot of hand-me-downs,
• 23:34
  which oftentimes can be really cool.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: And like now I think the idea of that's cool,
• 23:40
  but when you're small in the eighties and kind of like bright
• 23:46
  colors and patterns
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: and stripes and.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: kind of weird hammer pants or whatever,
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: like I didn't really want to wear my like 15 year old,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:01
  hand me downs for my sister who was born like a decade and a
• 24:04
  half before me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a lot of polyester there.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I just,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I was in a struggle zone for like much of my growing up stylistically.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Put on top of that, that my mom was a single parent of four kids.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: We had very little money to kind of like have any of that stuff.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it was very much like, okay, cool.
• 24:28
  I could at least cut the sleeves off this shirt and have it be
• 24:31
  a little something
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: more about what I like.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Or my brother gave me the shirt.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's too big for me.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to cut off the bottom and the sleeves.
• 24:39
  And then I've got this cool thriller shirt that he no longer
• 24:42
  wants,
• 24:43
  but it's huge on me.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:45
  So I think like,
• 24:48
  for me,
• 24:48
  I was constantly in that struggle because of a few of those
• 24:52
  factors.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: And like, none of those are like blame on anybody.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a poor, like, woe is me situation.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: But I think like,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: At the time,
• 25:02
  I would always have one or two things in the rotation of what I
• 25:07
  really felt good in
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: and what I really wanted to wear.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: And again, put on the fact that my mom was a single parent.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't have a lot of time.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: We weren't doing laundry all the time.
• 25:19
  So I could probably wear those things like once a week because
• 25:22
  I'd always spill shit on myself.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like just always so dirty, like just a ragamuffin, you know?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: So basically,
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: the other few days a week at school,
• 25:38
  I'd have to bite the bullet and wear something that didn't
• 25:41
  really represent me in
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: the way I wanted to be represented at that time,
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: no matter how unhinged that was.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, like, that was just it.
• 25:54
  And I think,
• 25:54
  like,
• 25:55
  I wanted,
• 25:56
  first of all,
• 25:57
  this sounds ridiculous,
• 25:58
  but I really liked cotton.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I always wanted to have cotton on.
• 26:03
  And I think,
• 26:05
  like,
• 26:05
  I'm just looking at this little picture I have of myself behind
• 26:08
  my computer.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: And you have probably seen this before.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: But this picture...
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:20
  So whenever I'm feeling a little bit like maybe I'm taking
• 26:24
  myself for things too
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: seriously,
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I can just look up at this picture and be like solid.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: I felt great this day.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: I felt so good this day.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I had pink kind of Sally, Jesse Raphael, like shaped glasses.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: Cause Sally, Jesse Raphael glasses were red.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: but I had these pink ones and I really loved them.
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  And it was like the one thing,
• 26:48
  like I really,
• 26:48
  I got to pick those glasses.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: And even though I didn't like wearing glasses,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: like these,
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: and I had this like floral one piece jumper on and like,
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: and it's like,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: bright colors.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I have this polo on that was definitely too big.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was probably my sister's, but it matched the colors in this jumper.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I probably had on like some,
• 27:12
  white Reeboks with it and I had like my mullet was in like peak
• 27:17
  form at this point
• 27:18
  too so I just remember feeling really good and I was smiling
• 27:23
  ear to ear and my
• 27:25
  teeth had like lots of spaces between them like I had so much
• 27:29
  space between each
• 27:30
  tooth growing up like an eighth of an inch um yeah like so much
• 27:36
  I didn't have to
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: have braces because I had a lot of room for things to grow in but
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: But I think,
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: to connect that to Bobo Chooses,
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: to me,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: that was just this world,
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: I really liked clothes like that.
• 27:52
  And there wasn't a brand like that growing up that kind of had
• 27:55
  some curated set
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: that a parent,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: even if they had money to,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: could go and be like,
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to buy them striped pants and a paddling shirt and,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: something with,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: a big weird teacup with legs on it or whatever,
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: you know?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: But...
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: I want, I kind of searched for that on my own at that age.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: And now there are brands that I can do that with.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I just, I kind of gravitate towards that like positivity.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just, it's just fun.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe this is just me, but you work from home.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have this outfit you're into,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: you can just wear it for like three,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: four days in a row,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: as long as you don't spill anything on it,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I could,
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: but I see people a lot.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: So,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 28:43
  I see people daily on a phone call and my coworker kale the
• 28:50
  other day did say,
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: didn't you wear that yesterday?
• 28:54
  you gaslight him like no i didn't i i was like i did and i kind
• 29:00
  of my eyes cast
• 29:01
  down a little bit and i was like don't you ever just get into
• 29:04
  that mode where
• 29:05
  you're like comfortable and it's like your power outfit for the
• 29:08
  week um i'm in it
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: right now yeah it's like tell me about it what's your power outfit
• 29:14
  It's a Rourke jacket that I bought like a month ago and it
• 29:19
  already looks like it's
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: a year old because I just keep,
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I got paint on it because I'm painting in it.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing this is fall.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing this for fall.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, but yeah, that's, that's basically it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then whatever work wear pants I'm excited about that.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's been going on for like a month now.
• 29:39
  And,
• 29:40
  um,
• 29:41
  Hillary doesn't seem to mind and I don't do that many meetings,
• 29:44
  so it's fine.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: but I know that's one of the big,
• 29:48
  the worst things about school to me is that you have to change
• 29:51
  clothes every day.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's just me.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, though.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hard.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to item number three.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, item three.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's also a show-and-tell piece.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you might have seen this magazine.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's twice yearly.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's French.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's called... Okay, I pronounce it Les Others, obviously, because...
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a French accent, even though I do.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: I read French pretty dang well.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: I speak it only enough to communicate true needs, not a personality.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know exactly how the publishers pronounce it,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm just holding up a couple of different ones.
• 30:42
  So similar to Bobo Chooses,
• 30:46
  they have a really nice focused concept for every publication.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: This one's like to health.
• 30:53
  And it's all about kind of like mental health and the health
• 30:55
  that the outdoors can
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: bring and a bunch of different creatives takes on that.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I think like it's so the whole magazine is beautiful and tactile.
• 31:09
  They don't kind of,
• 31:11
  you know,
• 31:11
  do too much to like spread like perfection throughout it.
• 31:15
  There's a lot of hand created things in it,
• 31:18
  but thoughtfully,
• 31:19
  not just like
• 31:22
  I drew this on a napkin and put it in here,
• 31:25
  even though that could be cool too.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: The photography is beautiful.
• 31:30
  There's something about actually reading it in a different
• 31:32
  language where I just,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: I take the very high level learning from it.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm probably missing nuances,
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: but it just helps me like think about the,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: the,
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: the higher level concept more than the granularities of it.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever looked at this magazine?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, never.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I've not heard of it.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Are they getting shipped to you from France or is it like, okay.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: They're getting shipped to me.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like this one is like all about play.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, it's like, do you want to play?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: And they've basically,
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: the concept for the cover was it,
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: it looks like they made a bunch of little
• 32:15
  outdoor tools but in like rubbery toy form you know so there's
• 32:20
  like an ice axe
• 32:21
  that's like blue rubber there's a little yellow crampon there's
• 32:25
  a rope that's kind
• 32:27
  of rubbery green and the whole thing is just about kind of like
• 32:31
  the play in the
• 32:32
  outdoors um and i think it's just like i just think it's really
• 32:37
  beautiful um
• 32:39
  And again,
• 32:39
  it's that concept,
• 32:41
  it's kind of building yourself a pasture to ideate within.
• 32:47
  Like the clothing brand did,
• 32:49
  they just keep that edit of their print piece.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it's this like,
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 32:56
  give me the freedom of a fenced in pasture to kind of let my
• 32:59
  mind roam around in.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: bump up against the edges a bit.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: I just, I think it's really beautiful.
• 33:05
  Do you,
• 33:05
  so this one almost sounds like it kind of relates to work sort
• 33:08
  of thing.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have to spend a bit of time every week ideating,
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: like doing that,
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: like sending yourself to the pasture,
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: would you say?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, sometimes I get so full up with the outdoor kind of inputs that
• 33:28
  that's,
• 33:29
  I don't always go there for the kind of coffer fill,
• 33:33
  you know,
• 33:33
  that I'm looking for.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go to other spots.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: They're just like less outdoor specific,
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: but this one somehow I don't get kind of like caught up in like,
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: who the most famous year or snowboarder is right now,
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: or,
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: it's,
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: it's very much about like the connections,
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 34:00
  and the kind of self like personal enrichment that the outdoors
• 34:05
  can kind of bring
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: and develop like that self-actualization that,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: that comes.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I wouldn't say weekly that I'm going to that publication.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: For the job,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: though,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of constantly surrounded by that anyway,
• 34:20
  whether it's like in my feed and Instagram or if I'm thinking
• 34:25
  about an upcoming
• 34:26
  campaign and I'm writing a brief that I need to communicate to
• 34:30
  creative partners.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I do need to have some of that inspo on hand.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think like this piece in particular, that publication is like,
• 34:42
  It's more for me to remember that it doesn't,
• 34:46
  it's not all about kind of selling product.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: That it's something that I gravitated to,
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: like just as I entered university,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: like the outdoors and it's something that helped shape me as a person.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's not like just a business.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like just a career.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: It just kind of helps me keep sight of that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because again,
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: those other drivers that kind of shape the work outputs for the job,
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: those have to be there and they're important.
• 35:22
  And it's kind of what makes the puzzle so interesting to figure
• 35:25
  out a lot of the time.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: it can also feel a little bit like depleting.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: There, there was a interview with Ethan Hawke.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: I put in my newsletter today that was,
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like he said,
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: if you,
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: if you aim for their wallets,
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: you're going to miss by a mile.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: If you aim for their hearts,
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: you'll,
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: you might hit,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: you might have a direct hit or something along those lines,
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: but it was,
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: he was of course talking about movies,
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: but I feel like that's,
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: going with the spirit of like, yeah, we need to try to sell jackets.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty tough to,
• 35:54
  it's pretty tough to get inspired to make stuff around that as
• 35:58
  opposed to let's
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: make something fun or let's try to connect with people or,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: or whatever.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think, I think that's what I hear you saying there.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, the outdoor industry is, is that it's an industry.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I mean, I got,
• 36:20
  swept up in the outdoors because I went into an outdoor shop
• 36:25
  and I saw different
• 36:28
  brands kind of showing people being wild and kind of being
• 36:33
  feral and having it be
• 36:34
  okay that you were a ragamuffin and that you were like dirty
• 36:40
  and had spilled stuff
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: on yourself.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: because those things were important that you were just like,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: kind of like free and wild outside.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: And, um,
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that like, that spoke to me.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I,
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 36:54
  I think that there's a big part of my job that even though I
• 36:58
  know what the end goal
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: for the company is,
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: like my end goal,
• 37:03
  just like creatively is also that kind of feral nature being
• 37:08
  put into the world.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's like,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: this is a great way to be like,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: it's,
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: it can be pretty fulfilling just as a human.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: And, and, um,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's a big part of why I like doing what I do.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even the imagery in the ads is still...
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: inspiring, right?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: as opposed to maybe a pharmaceutical commercial,
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: even the,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: even the stock footage that we get,
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 37:39
  I was just thinking of things like old backpacker magazines
• 37:42
  from like the early two
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: thousands.
• 37:43
  And like,
• 37:45
  I can still see images that I'm sure were for like a tourism
• 37:47
  thing or a water bottle.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, that was a cool shot though.
• 37:52
  I wonder where that place is,
• 37:54
  you know,
• 37:54
  where they shot that water bottle commercial and
• 37:57
  maybe maybe less likely with some other products that we can
• 38:01
  both think of i don't
• 38:02
  know i mean i remember going into it was in chattanooga
• 38:07
  tennessee and it was i mean
• 38:09
  this store has blown up now but it used to just be you know
• 38:12
  like a two-room shop
• 38:14
  rock creek outfitters and um it was when patagonia kept their
• 38:21
  capoline in rolls in
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: the store that's how they're
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: you know, company packaged it.
• 38:26
  And there was a little piece of like cardboard with a natural
• 38:30
  colored rubber band
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: that kept those things together,
• 38:33
  which must've been an absolute nightmare for people in shops to
• 38:36
  keep those things
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: rolled up and like,
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: whatever.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: I digress.
• 38:40
  But the picture on the women's Kathleen card was like Steph
• 38:44
  Davis on El Cap.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: She was just like in this sea of granite.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: She had chalk on her face.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I definitely wasn't a climber at that time.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: had never been rock climbing, but I looked at that picture.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I want to do whatever she's doing there.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so, you know, there's just those things.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: the,
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 39:03
  the stuff you collect around yourself as a young person that
• 39:07
  like leads you to
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: where you are now.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's just, just one of those things.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: I bet I know that exact photo, honestly.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Of Steph Davis on El Cap.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's fun.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Number four.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: What's your number four?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: My number four.
• 39:31
  This is...
• 39:31
  It is a video that came out this year that a friend of mine,
• 39:37
  Seamus Foster,
• 39:38
  created.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it's called Barking at the Knot.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: And... First of all, I love the name.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um...
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: But I think like,
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: in the blurbs,
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: it will get described as like a love letter to a regional skate culture.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: Seamus lives in Salt Lake and the whole thing was shot in Utah.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's local shredders of multiple ages,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: some kind of like on the older side of like skate video ages,
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I just, I really liked the piece.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I liked it because of the way he shot it.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's very like free and fluid and the timing on the edit is really good.
• 40:26
  There's some like audio that he left in of like just people
• 40:30
  talking that I just
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: loved experiencing.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I laughed out loud.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was, I watched it like sitting on the tarmac on my phone on a plane.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know where I was going at this point.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was, I don't know.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: I probably watched it maybe four months ago.
• 40:46
  And I remember like the plane was about to take off and I had
• 40:50
  to text him.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I have to text Seamus because I hadn't watched it yet.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: It had come out and I hadn't watched it.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I finally watched it.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I just had to text him.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: I had this overwhelming feeling of just like,
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: again,
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'll take it back to like childhood,
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: but it reminded me of sitting in the Taco Bell parking lot,
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: watching my brother and his friends skate.
• 41:11
  um i still will never forgive him for not teaching me how
• 41:14
  because i just like sat
• 41:15
  there and ate like hard shell tacos on a curb is it too late i
• 41:19
  guess is my question
• 41:20
  i think it's too late for your brother to make up make that up
• 41:23
  to you sorry i don't
• 41:24
  want to interrupt i'll i'll consider it ralston is it too late
• 41:30
  um yeah but
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think like the feeling of friendship in the film is palpable.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: The feeling of like,
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: these pursuits,
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: whether it's like skateboarding or climbing or whatever it is,
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: you know, finding meaning in the meaningless in a lot of ways.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: that's a theme that's like,
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: it's not new to outdoors,
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: but it just,
• 42:00
  there really is a lot of meaning in that meaningless because
• 42:02
  it's time spent with
• 42:03
  people that you care about shaping hilarious inside jokes and
• 42:09
  memories and noticing
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: small details and watching little wins,
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think those,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: those individual sports like life,
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: like nobody can do them,
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: but you,
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: but kind of,
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: it's also with life.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of hard for everybody to like see a win or a loss,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: but like those individual sports,
• 42:33
  whether you're like bouldering and you're a few feet away from
• 42:36
  somebody and you
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: like land a move or a piece of beta that you haven't done before,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: similar to skateboarding in that way,
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: like those session sports where you're like,
• 42:44
  You're alone,
• 42:45
  but you're very close to people that are like trying and
• 42:47
  failing.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that kind of witnessing improvement or like witnessing moments,
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: like breakthrough moments for people.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: maybe this is that way in a lot of skate films,
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: but for me this,
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: because my friend made it and I watched it,
• 43:09
  He has a very sensitive kind of edit touch that feels very
• 43:14
  nostalgic and kind of
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: meaningful to me.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's definitely on my list.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: And also like skating is hard and it's, it's a group of people.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 43:30
  I just like think of the amount of failure you have to
• 43:32
  experience to become even
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: just halfway decent at skateboarding.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's very similar to like learning a musical instrument,
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: and like,
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: like climbing,
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: you can kind of start an easy thing and get up,
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: get to the top and be like,
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: there's a win.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can move on to harder things, but skating looks so hard.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: And like,
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: when I was younger,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: growing up in small towns,
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: it was like,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: skating had this like bad,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: the skateboarding is not a crime stickers.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: And like it,
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: it probably still does have that,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: um,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: impression for people,
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: but that reputation for people.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Those kids,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: man,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: they're,
• 44:06
  they're working every bit as hard to do something cool as the
• 44:11
  football team or
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: whoever,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: and like you said,
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: nobody's going to land that trick for you.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like you gotta, you gotta do it.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you do it?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean,
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: the elegance of the name that he chose,
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: old,
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: old AI says barking at the knot means to engage in a foolish,
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: pointless or futile activity,
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: like a dog barking uselessly at a knot hole in a tree.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: representing wasted effort on something immovable or non-responsive,
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: often used in cowboy slang or to describe silly tasks.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, it's such a, it's just a beautiful concept.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: For a great concept.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: How long is this film?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like 15 minutes, maybe.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let me just, that sounds fantastic.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like 15, 18 minutes, something like that.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um,
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Were you mad at the time your brother didn't teach you to skate?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like how much older was he at that time?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, my brother is 10 years older than me.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I was like really young.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: He was babysitting both of my, me and my sister.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: And he was probably like, I don't know, I guess he was 16.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I was six and my sister was, you know, 10 or 11 and
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, we just, I don't know.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think like, I wasn't mad at him.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think I definitely would have tried it had I been offered.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: But at that point,
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: those guys just felt like,
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: they were high schoolers and I was just very small.
• 45:50
  um six seven eight because i mean that went on probably for his
• 45:53
  like high school
• 45:54
  duration because my mom would be working and he'd pick us up
• 45:57
  from school or after
• 45:59
  school we would meet up and he would want to go skate and so we
• 46:02
  would go with him
• 46:03
  um because he had to babysit us you know and basically what we
• 46:08
  were trying to do is
• 46:08
  just like not get in the way and like we just like sat there
• 46:14
  and absorbed their
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: conversations you know and like
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I just, yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: And not get in the way.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Formative though.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: my brother,
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  like having to take two little scruffy girls around with him
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  all the time,
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: like his shadows that I think that really shaped him as well.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's like such a cool guy and, um,
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't think you can grow up with an ego when that's your,
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: when that's your situation,
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: you just,
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: it's impossible.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: So.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's fascinating to think about.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um, that's, that's great.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: How about, how about your number five?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: Number five, um,
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's two examples of it,
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  but like number five in general is just recently like really
• 47:19
  large scale art,
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: has been absolutely like inspirational to me and blowing my mind.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: and this is playing out in a couple of different ways,
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: but I'll give two examples of the large scale art.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're both female artists.
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  SPEAKER_02: One, Alex Proba, um, kind of like works between New York and Portland.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: she recently had like this installation at the pyramids in Egypt,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: but they're like these large kind of like,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: some look like they're ceramic.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't exactly know what they're all made of.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't done a huge,
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: huge deep dive into her yet,
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  SPEAKER_02: but some like the ones in Egypt,
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  SPEAKER_02: they almost look like stone,
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: like multicolored stone,
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: but they're probably not.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: They're probably some like composite material.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not permanent.
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  They're like just large kind of abstract shapes that kind of
• 48:16
  remind you of like a
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: leaf blown up or a flower or like the,
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: stamen within a flower that's been separated.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just, it's very like, it's just really large scale form.
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  And I think like the reason why that's speaking to me right now
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  is I think like
• 48:38
  come from architecture you really yes you get to think about
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  the form but you have
• 48:44
  to think about all the tiny tiny little details and I think
• 48:48
  like I'm somebody who
• 48:50
  can get really caught up in the granularities of things and I
• 48:55
  love that these
• 48:56
  shapes you have to you know she decides on like four to eight
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  shapes that she
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: focuses on and how they interact with one another it's kind of like
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  do you sit down in front of a canvas with like 20 tiny brushes
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  and try to fill that
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: canvas?
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  Or do you pick the biggest brush you can and have the
• 49:19
  confidence to like make a
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: couple marks with it?
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's why like the scale is inspiring to me.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: Also, it's very colorful.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: It like nods to natural forms, but it's
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think just oversized things like that,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: like signage for an ice cream shop that's a giant ice cream cone,
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  SPEAKER_02: instead of just saying,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: this is an ice cream shop.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: I love things like that.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: I love big forms that either make me feel small or make me feel big.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: I also like miniature things, but I think that's universal.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's not.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, I...
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  I think,
• 50:04
  yeah,
• 50:04
  but it's huge is like a major factor in deciding whether
• 50:08
  something is art.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes like you're in a museum and you're like, yeah.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: What if Guernica was like two feet by three feet?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, would that be a big deal?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: What does it fit on a notebook page?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like the Mona Lisa is very small.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: People forget that, right?
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  But like,
• 50:25
  yeah,
• 50:25
  some of the stuff that's,
• 50:26
  you're just like,
• 50:26
  yeah,
• 50:26
  but it's huge.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's huge.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go see it.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: I have one more example of it.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'm feeling more tuned to this five,
• 50:33
  but there's an artist named Kathleen Ryan who has been making
• 50:38
  giant rotten fruit
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: with gemstones.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will send you the link.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: If you Google Karma Karma dot org or Karma Karma Kathleen Ryan,
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: Kathleen with a K.
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  SPEAKER_02: Basically,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: she the first image I saw was this giant rotting raspberry.
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  SPEAKER_02: For the most part, the raspberry is like beautiful and red.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this thing is huge.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like she's sitting next to it.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: She could crawl inside the hole of the inside of the raspberry.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like, it's huge.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: So... She probably did, right, to make it?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she had to have.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: But it's made of all these, like, minuscule gemstones.
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  So that kind of goes against my,
• 51:25
  like,
• 51:26
  you know,
• 51:27
  stay out of the weeds granularity thing.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: But what I really, like...
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, I was just like, oh man, this is a giant piece of fruit.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that was the first bar.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Second bar was like, okay, why is it rotting though?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, okay.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I think to me that just started,
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think for a lot of people,
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: whatever age they are,
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: it's older than they've ever been.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm older than I've ever been right now, Brendan.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I think there is a,
• 52:03
  really interesting parallel between things that are rotting and
• 52:09
  in the darkest
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: sense of the word,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: but also just like fruits,
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: happy and bright.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: So let's stick with that.
• 52:14
  But it's like,
• 52:17
  you know,
• 52:17
  the,
• 52:17
  the concept of like rotten fruit or like fruit that's turning.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but there's like still beauty in that I think is a really
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: cool thing to look at and think about.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I,
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what she's specifically trying to communicate,
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: but for me,
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: it made me start thinking about age and kind of what I,
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: kind of like how I'm,
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: how I'm feeling about like either what I'm putting my time to like,
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: even in the like corporal sense,
• 52:52
  like my body and kind of what it's allowing me to do still that
• 52:56
  I'm really thankful
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: for and what,
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: like feels harder now.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, just talked a lot about that.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: I, I have a 1979 Toyota pickup I bought a few years ago.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: And when you, that is the same year I was born.
• 53:14
  And when you get into a car that was made the same year as you
• 53:16
  are,
• 53:16
  you very,
• 53:20
  it's right there.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're riding fruit.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, wow, this is, this is old.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: This thing is old.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is old.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: We have headrests now in most cars, you know, anyway.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what, uh,
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: Have you, have you seen in person something large scale recently?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like,
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: has there been anything like,
• 53:50
  I feel like most urban sculptures tend to be like pretty
• 53:55
  gigantic works that we all
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: interact with.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we see them every day or we don't.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: There's,
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: I saw it the other day when I,
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: one of my favorite sculptures in Seattle,
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've had a hard time figuring out the artist because
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: it's a giant popsicle and it's not just like a regular popsicle.
• 54:16
  It's one of the ones that you could have broken in half and
• 54:19
  shared with a friend.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it had two sticks, two sticks and it's cherry flavor.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a giant shiny red popsicle with wooden.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: it's not actual wood,
• 54:32
  but with wooden sticks and the sculpture is at kind of a 45
• 54:38
  degree angle or maybe a
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: little less than that.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's just kind of like the base grows off of one of the sticks.
• 54:46
  And it looks like the popsicle's like in a little bit of a
• 54:49
  state of melting because
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: it's like shiny and glossy,
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I just really like that sculpture.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's something I have seen recently.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Where is that in Seattle?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's down near the crocodile is all I can remember.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: I forget the cross streets on it, but I can figure it out.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_02: Popsicle Seattle.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Giant Red Twin Popsicle.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's at 4th and Blanchard Building at 2101 4th Ave.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just very satisfying.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I can really say about.
• 55:30
  Can you imagine reverse engineering this pitch that the artist
• 55:33
  must have made to someone?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, but it's called Giant Red Popsicle.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: and it's very, it's going to be very satisfying for people.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, yeah, cool.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Here's, here's like 3 million.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: Make it happen.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I found the artist's name so easy.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks Google.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's 17 foot steel and epoxy artwork.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and her name is Christina Osley.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's somebody that Catherine Meyer, Catherine Meyer.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: Christina Osley was a,
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: journalists that wrote about it.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Catherine Meyer.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: Props to you, Catherine Meyer.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was made in 2011.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fantastic.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: It made one of Seattle's 24 quirkiest landmarks.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_00: 24 quirkiest.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good city when the list is that long, right?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for doing this.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think we squeezed in seven at least.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: I pushed you for the last one, so that's on me.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, this is a great place to end it.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Brennan.