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#441: Emotional Frailty, GLP 1s for Addiction · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: Going right in this. I know. Oh, we already got
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  Speaker 1: the drop that we needed from Jim. Yeah, shit from
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  Speaker 1: fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada.
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  Speaker 2: This is pod Therapy, real people, real problems, and real therapists.
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  Speaker 2: That's Jim, that's Whitney.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for some pot there. Well, hello everybody, Happy
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  Speaker 1: summertime vibes. And if you heard our last episode, you
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  Speaker 1: already know that the Pod Therapy crew is hard to
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  Speaker 1: get in one place at one time over the summer.
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  Speaker 1: We've got all sorts of special things going on. So
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  Speaker 1: we've pre recorded some abbreviated episodes and I was bragging
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  Speaker 1: Nick that in the last episode nine seasons, we've actually
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  Speaker 1: never missed. We've never had to air a rerun. We've
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  Speaker 1: always had something to offer, and so that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: It was either this these abbreviated episodes, or we take
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  Speaker 2: the month off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is what we excited. Yeah, those were
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  Speaker 1: the op Yeah, it was this is two thirds.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we are recording all three of these episodes at
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  Speaker 4: the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, on our recording schedule,
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  Speaker 4: as we're just recording three back to back to June.
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  Speaker 1: Is very much happening today, and the three of.
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  Speaker 4: Us are going to find a time some other time
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  Speaker 4: this month to get another one knocked out because this
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  Speaker 4: was the time this month that all four of us
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  Speaker 4: could do it.
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  Speaker 1: We are making it work. This is two thirds of
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  Speaker 1: what you deserve and one hundred percent of what you're
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  Speaker 1: getting abbreviated episodes, but we're still getting some questions in.
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  Speaker 1: We are proud of it and we're excited to lead
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  Speaker 1: off the order today with our first question, emotional fatigue. Hello, Nick, Whitney, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: and Jacob. He just wanted to give an update on
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  Speaker 1: my situation regarding my previous letter. Here's a refresher. My
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  Speaker 1: ex fiancee came back from vacation and immediately ended our relationship,
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  Speaker 1: then kicked me out of the house, forcing me to
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  Speaker 1: have to move across town to stay with my mom,
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  Speaker 1: and to top it off, kept my dog. All Within
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  Speaker 1: hours of being discharged from the hospital due to medication
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  Speaker 1: side effects I had mentioned, I was back on the
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  Speaker 1: dating apps shortly after because I felt I had mourned
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  Speaker 1: the loss of the relationship while still in it. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the update. Here we are three months later, and my
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  Speaker 1: life's going fantastic. I got transferred to a news store
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  Speaker 1: for work and it's much less stress, and my coworkers
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  Speaker 1: are supportive and non toxic. I've reconnected with old friends,
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  Speaker 1: grown closer with my family, and most importantly of all,
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  Speaker 1: found someone really amazing to date. She is understanding about
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  Speaker 1: my situation, compassionate about my situation, and has honestly shown
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  Speaker 1: more emotional vulnerability in the last few months than my
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  Speaker 1: previous partner. Her pets adore me. That is a huge positive,
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  Speaker 1: and she says her dog has claimed me as her own.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is coming up millhouse, so to speak, except for
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  Speaker 1: one thing. I cry a lot. Sometimes it's overwhelming feelings
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  Speaker 1: of gratitude and happiness when my girlfriend holds me I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get that much in past relationships, or when she
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  Speaker 1: does something nice like gives me a compliment for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: She loves that I'm able to be so vulnerable with her.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes her dog snuggles up to me and falls asleep
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  Speaker 1: on my chest, and I burst into tears. But I
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  Speaker 1: miss I miss my old life, not the ex but
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  Speaker 1: my old routines. I miss my dogs. I cry a
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  Speaker 1: lot over them, more than anything, and I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: they think I abandoned them by choice. I had no
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  Speaker 1: legal rights to my dog because the X signed the
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  Speaker 1: adoption papers when we picked up when we picked him up,
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  Speaker 1: and my dog had grown attached to her dog, so
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  Speaker 1: it would have been hard to separate them. Ultimately, it
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  Speaker 1: made more sense to leave without my dog and not
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  Speaker 1: fight harder to try and get custody. My mom said
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't worth going to jail for kidnapping the dog.
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  Speaker 1: I begged to differ, but reluctantly agreed. I've been going
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  Speaker 1: to therapy this whole time, and between the therapist, my family,
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  Speaker 1: and my girlfriend, they've offered different ways to try and
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  Speaker 1: deal with this loss. The therapist asked me what I
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  Speaker 1: would say to the dogs if I had a chance
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  Speaker 1: and they could understand what happened. My girlfriend and family
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  Speaker 1: suggest that I volunteered an animal shelter. With all the
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  Speaker 1: big changes, positive and negative, how do I stop getting
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  Speaker 1: so emotional so easily? I know it's okay to sit
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  Speaker 1: in and feel these feelings, but it's draining and has
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  Speaker 1: been more frequent frequent. I believe it's how you pronounced that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you within the last month as always, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: all for all you do and the wonderful community. And
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  Speaker 1: big shout out to song Bird K in the discord
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  Speaker 1: who has become a good friend by keeping in touch
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  Speaker 1: since my first letter. Hope to see you all in
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  Speaker 1: person at Scoopfest one day. Much love and gratitude. Anthony Camarada,
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  Speaker 1: who longtime friend of the show.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to our awesome discord. I know, yeah, sweet,
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  Speaker 5: and I believe it.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone in there is so kind of always say it periodically,
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  Speaker 6: but just got to say it again.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, accept Songbird K. What a bitch? You know, specifically
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  Speaker 1: hate Songbird K but apparently nice to Anthony Camarada, but
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  Speaker 1: I think universally disliked by everybody else. Yeah, shots fired,
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  Speaker 2: Well, ask somebody who has recently lost a pet. I
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  Speaker 2: can definitely haven't found that yet.
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  Speaker 1: You look harder.
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  Speaker 2: So this morning I was driving to the gym and
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  Speaker 2: somebody in the neighborhood across the street from ours was
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  Speaker 2: out walking their dog and they had a little beagle
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  Speaker 2: and it looked so much like Leila, and I almost
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  Speaker 2: like I almost stopped, like I was gonna stop, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, put your dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is.
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  Speaker 4: Why I carry bacon in my pocket at all times,
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  Speaker 4: because if you do meet a nice dog like that,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to show up.
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  Speaker 1: Empty handed, you know. Plus it's bacon.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I don't see a dog and I have biga
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  Speaker 4: pretty great.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so, I mean, I think part of this
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  Speaker 2: is just that that grief and loss which is just
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  Speaker 2: going to take time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that is a big part of it.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this question of like
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  Speaker 1: ways to cope with this, some of these are pretty creative,
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  Speaker 1: right like writing the letter I think to the dog.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, being able to write the
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  Speaker 1: thoughts that were unsaid, that's nice.
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  Speaker 2: That was the other thing that that reminded me of
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  Speaker 2: this is like, oh good, we're getting yes for me.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, hello, hello, oh hi there, hi there, You're on
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  Speaker 4: pod therapy.
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  Speaker 1: You called me sir, Yeah, yeah, welcome to pod therapy.
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  Speaker 1: This is a comedy question and answer show hosted by
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  Speaker 1: three mental health people and a doctoral life coach. Ah
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  Speaker 1: sounds great.
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  Speaker 6: Ah?
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  Speaker 1: Could I get a large pie?
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  Speaker 6: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Huh? Pepperoni? Okay? O cheese? You know, sir, you have
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  Speaker 1: no sauce. I don't think you can actually order no
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  Speaker 1: cheese and no sauce.
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  Speaker 4: I just read you just so you would like bread
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  Speaker 4: with pepperoni with pepperoni?
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  Speaker 1: Is this gonna be cash or card? Cash? Sorry, we
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  Speaker 1: only take card, and I need you to read it
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  Speaker 1: on air? Do it? You cowered? Three? Do it for
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  Speaker 1: the bit two seven?
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  Speaker 4: Give your Did you ever like try to type in
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  Speaker 4: a random like credit card on like the internet?
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  Speaker 1: I have I did. I have a distinct memory.
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  Speaker 4: Of a phone in uh, like the upstairs part of
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  Speaker 4: our house when I was when I was very little.
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  Speaker 4: It was a rotary dial phone and we would use
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  Speaker 4: it like we would We would do whatever with it,
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  Speaker 4: and I would make phone calls with it.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one time I went over to.
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  Speaker 4: It to call I don't remember who it was, and
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  Speaker 4: I just put I just dialed numbers and they picked up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I dialed the right number.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember my mom coming in and being like,
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  Speaker 4: who are you on the phone with? And it was
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  Speaker 4: like Grandma or something like, oh, did I didn't hear
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  Speaker 4: the phone ring?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, I called her. Oh she was like, you don't
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  Speaker 1: you don't know the phone number. You're just talking to
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  Speaker 1: random No.
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  Speaker 4: No, I was talking to the person I had intended
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  Speaker 4: to call. Somehow I had like in my mind, I
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  Speaker 4: just I dialed random numbers and.
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  Speaker 1: She your way to this phone. I think I just
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  Speaker 1: had the number in my head.
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  Speaker 5: Yea, some are buried or that wild.
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  Speaker 4: Literally, I'm just sitting there on the phone with I
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  Speaker 4: think it was my grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're a savant or I think that nice
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  Speaker 1: old lady was not your grandmother. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: you were told by your parents that it was.
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  Speaker 4: I remember I remember very specifically Mom getting on the
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  Speaker 4: phone being like, it is it is?
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  Speaker 1: What did this happen? So I just in middle school.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was early middle school, back when we
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  Speaker 1: had payphones on campus. A kid had figured out that
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  Speaker 1: you can call sex lines from the payphone. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, yeah, and so like we were like
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  Speaker 1: one nine hundred numbers or whatever, and so we would
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  Speaker 1: like little money and then we'd call the one nine
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  Speaker 1: hundred number and it would be like a recording and
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  Speaker 1: it would be like, you know, to continue type in
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  Speaker 1: a credit card. Yeah, And as kids, we had no
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  Speaker 1: idea how many digits we're in a credit card, so
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  Speaker 1: we would just type numbers, like just keep going right,
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually it'd be like, I'm sorry, you know
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  Speaker 1: this is disconnected, God damn it. And so but we
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  Speaker 1: just keep trying to figured it. At some point we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get this right.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody should go talk sexy to some Lady's gonna answer
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  Speaker 4: the phone and be like, what's up, like and there's
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  Speaker 4: like this kid's voice.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, can can talk about your boobies?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I got I got some big old boobies. Yeah they're
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  Speaker 1: real big.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: Y Yeah, I like those. Yeah, othery're big. Can I
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  Speaker 1: get one with pepperoni? Please? You cheese?
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  Speaker 5: No sauce?
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  Speaker 4: Yep for writing big old pepperoni? A what you were
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  Speaker 4: saying about writing letters to dogs?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I just the idea that like, yeah, having that
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  Speaker 2: thought of because I had that thought like when when
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  Speaker 2: Layla died, like I hope she knows how much I
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  Speaker 2: loved her, Like that's that kind of that thought that
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  Speaker 2: you have, but or like I hope she lived a
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  Speaker 2: good life where I hope all of this, and like
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  Speaker 2: that's the thing about dogs is like they always love
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  Speaker 2: you always, Like there's nothing you can do that to
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  Speaker 2: not earn a dog's love. So you know this idea
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  Speaker 2: that you know that I hope they think I don't
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  Speaker 2: abandon them. Guarantee they died now, Yeah, because they love
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  Speaker 2: you so much that they they believe that you love
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  Speaker 2: them as much as they love you, right, and so
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  Speaker 2: whatever this thing was that kept you from them, they
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  Speaker 2: know it's not your fault.
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  Speaker 1: Right here. See, did you ever watch Futurama? Did you
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  Speaker 1: ever like that show?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I've seen some Okay, you weren't into it though. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't into it until I've probably seen forty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's enough. Yeah, there's an episode where Fry
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  Speaker 1: had found this like stray dog who like his best
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  Speaker 1: friend for a while, and then it's it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: like ends the episode of like whatever happened to the Dog?
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  Speaker 1: And the dog was standing in front of the pizza
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  Speaker 1: shop its entire life, waiting for Fredy to come back.
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  Speaker 1: All right, it's frozen. Yeah that show was like emotional
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  Speaker 1: at times, like it would just get you right in
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  Speaker 1: the fields. But speaking of feels so whitney. The writer
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  Speaker 1: talks about getting out of this relationship and being just
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  Speaker 1: emotionally fragile and now like when a friend hugs me,
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  Speaker 1: whenever my girlfriend is suddenly nice to me. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: used to this. I'm not used to affection. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: used to people being kind, and I'm just feeling like
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  Speaker 1: this incredible emotional fragility. And the writer seems to be like,
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  Speaker 1: am I okay? Like is this what's the deal with this?
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  Speaker 6: I know I have kind of a little theory behind this.
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  Speaker 6: Reading through what Anthony said, uh one next rte it's
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  Speaker 6: only been three months, I kind of went back into
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  Speaker 6: yet I'm like, oh my.
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  Speaker 5: Gosh, this is fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Three months is fine.
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  Speaker 6: Three months is very fresh. Right back in a year
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  Speaker 6: and let me know we're still doing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But we evaluate presidents after a hun hundred days.
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  Speaker 6: You haven't met that, so yeah, it's going to feel
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  Speaker 6: very fresh. I also think when we're talking about grief,
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  Speaker 6: I have heard this before multiple times in session where
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  Speaker 6: I'm crying, I'm upset, I'm exhausted from the emotional expression
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  Speaker 6: of my sadness of my grief, and I just don't
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  Speaker 6: want to do it. Anymore because I'm exhausted. It's not
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  Speaker 6: even like, oh, I'm being a baby, or oh I
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  Speaker 6: should just tough enough. It's more like I'm just tired.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to cry anymore.
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  Speaker 5: I've heard that before.
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  Speaker 6: But my theory is, because you said it's been happening
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  Speaker 6: more frequently in the last month. Is that I know
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  Speaker 6: you said it's okay to feel these feelings, but you
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  Speaker 6: said it's draining. And it makes me wonder if you're
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  Speaker 6: resisting now. And I feel like the more we resist,
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  Speaker 6: the more build up. Theorists, so if we're resisting expressing
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  Speaker 6: the emotion, and maybe it doesn't have to be through crying,
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  Speaker 6: like I mean, your therapist trying to work with you
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  Speaker 6: on different ways to process. But I don't know as
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  Speaker 6: somebody who is a husband to therapy, and like you know,
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  Speaker 6: it sucks.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot, it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 6: I did find that the more I just allowed myself
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  Speaker 6: and took some of like the shame or pressure of
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  Speaker 6: not crying, like stop crying, stop doing this, like push
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  Speaker 6: that emotion away or something, the more it builds up,
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  Speaker 6: it just doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're a crier. It's amazing to me. Is it
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  Speaker 1: because of your unknown face?
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  Speaker 6: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Because that what it is?
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  Speaker 1: It's surprising because you're so short. Well no, I only.
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  Speaker 2: Asked that because like we've made Jim cry like eight
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  Speaker 2: or nine times, never made you cry.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, now I'm scared.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think over under three minutes? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jacob unleashed, try Whitney.
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  Speaker 4: I think I could make Whitney cry three I think
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  Speaker 4: I would get like collateral damage and certain Oh no,
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  Speaker 4: you would definitely cry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm already kind of teary.
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  Speaker 5: No, I'm the worst. Even like at the airport. This
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  Speaker 5: is a perfect example.
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  Speaker 6: When my flight they like send the thing and it's
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  Speaker 6: like I'm at the gate. I already knew it was
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  Speaker 6: delayed fine by like thirty minutes. And then it's like
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  Speaker 6: I see people around me that the flight was canceled.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like what, I look at my app your flight's canceled.
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  Speaker 6: I immediately I like go wait in line. And I'm standing
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  Speaker 6: there and I called Peter to be like, can you
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  Speaker 6: see on your computer, like look up some shit for me,
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  Speaker 6: figure out a way to get me home. And so
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  Speaker 6: he's looking at stuff and he's like, we'll just talk
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  Speaker 6: to them at the gate. I'm like, the problem is
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  Speaker 6: if I talked to at the gate, I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 6: crying and then I look like a fucking baby.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, you're gonna get results. Okay, that works.
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  Speaker 5: No, the lady I talked to anyway, that's a different story.
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  Speaker 6: But yes, I am like, if I'm frustrated, I just cry,
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  Speaker 6: like I don't get whatever's.
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  Speaker 1: It just comes out.
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  Speaker 6: It just happens. It's like I don't know a reaction.
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  Speaker 6: So it has been better. Again said I was in
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  Speaker 6: therapy for it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so she's a flustered crier.
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  Speaker 5: I am very much.
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  Speaker 1: We got to like, let's take the show when we're
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  Speaker 1: stuck in traffic, make sure she's driving, and.
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  Speaker 5: Just the whole night somewhere we gotta get going.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go, come on, Whitney. That's how we made it
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  Speaker 1: to happen on tape. I think it's easy. But you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned something that I thought was a really good point,
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  Speaker 1: and this is something that I rediscovered. So as we
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  Speaker 1: joke about me being a crier, maybe I am relatively
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  Speaker 1: speaking to these two fucking statues.
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  Speaker 6: But I literally can't picture either of them ever. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: nick one has dog died, he teared up, not a
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  Speaker 6: tear was shut and press dog's hand and I knew
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  Speaker 6: he was set, and he got like, my eyes are
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  Speaker 6: very watery, but one.
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  Speaker 5: Tear will not fall.
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  Speaker 1: I trained my eyes down way. Don't have a beer,
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  Speaker 1: just waste that one. That's right. Las Vegas is a
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  Speaker 1: Racus from Doune. We do not cry because we will die.
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  Speaker 1: So I spit on people that I love, That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I share my bottle of moisture with them because I
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: love them. So then I give him the old hot tua.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: This past week, I found myself in a situation where
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: for the first time in years, I cried, and like
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I I'm just going through it as far as I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: can remember, I mean for.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: The first time since last year. Yeah, yeah, it's the
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: first time on this podcast.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I found myself like really not not like
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: ugly crying, but just crying and just like experiencing it.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And afterward the rest of the day I was drained,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like fuck, like did I not
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: sleep last night? What is it like? And I was
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that was the only condition that had caused this, And
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I remember just like the entire day feeling like I
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: could go to bed right now, Like I am wiped out.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I have nothing in me, like physically, emotionally, psychologically exhausted,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And all I had done was cried for probably like
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes, right and I was just dead. Do you
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: guys hear that?
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I do?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what that is.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: It's electric interference, probably from your phone or your Whitney's phones.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I think it was, you know, cause she kind of
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: sucks and not mine. Just I'm frustrated.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I know the emotion labor that Whitney. Whitney just this
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: is how we figure it out. But yeah, no, it's
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: emotionally exerting.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: The audience isn't going to hear that, by the way,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: we're talking about should be the last episode.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And I didn't, like I didn't call it out.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's just interference. It's no, it's on the recording,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: but it gets gated out before the recording goes out.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, Well there you go. But no, writer,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I just I relate to that in the sense that
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of letting out tears like that, man,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: it really is draining and like I feel like it
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: puts you in like a really fragile state for a while.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Like I've heard some people say, oh, I have like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a good cry and I feel better, And I think
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: for me, I've never understood that concept. There was a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: lot of power to it. But also like I remember
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: feeling like really frail and just like it wouldn't take
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: much to knock me back over the edge again.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Like I just when I hear people say that, I
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: assumed that they mean like I cried and got it
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: all out and now I feel bad. They finished that,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I assume there's something more to it than just I
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: cried and I feel better Like I cried, I got
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: all of that out, and now I'm I'm reset and
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to move along.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And I feel better because of that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because yeah, I don't Yeah if I if I
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: cry or something, which I don't do very often, but
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: if I cry or something, I'm in the same boat.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm done. I'm done for the day. Yeah,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it just wipes you.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: But that's why grief is so tough, because you're getting
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: these triggers, like randomly. Usually if you're sitting there with
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: your your girlfriend's dog and it's falling asleep on your chest,
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: You're like, this is so sweet. Maybe there's part of
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: you that's like I miss my dog, so I used
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: to do this or fall asleep on my lap. There's
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: these triggers that come up, or you know, Nick driving
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: by and wanting to like see a little dog looks
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: like layla. It's like they're triggering the cry response. Again,
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: you're a little bit out of control of it. So
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: then it just feels exhausting all day. And maybe it
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: is inconvenient because you're like trying to do work or
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: trying to get through your day and you're like, oh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: this one thing reminded me of my dog or my life,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: and that was comfortable.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know how.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I don't remember how long you're with your your last girlfriend,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: but like if it was a long time, yeah, we
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: are used to things.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It changed life. Yeah, And the writer says like, look,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think they came back.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: They ended it like they came back and ended it up.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that we've heard that over the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: years from a lot of people who have said it
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: was a bad relationship. I was really unhappy, and this
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is where Anthony's right, like I've already grieved it. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: was ready to move on, but I left an entire life.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I left a bed that I slept in, a house
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that I lived in, dogs that were part of my family,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a routine that was part of my life, a walk
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that I took every night with these animals, a place
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: where I ate my meals. Like losing all of your
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: routine and moving to a whole new location starting all
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: over again. Even being in a new relationship, as good
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: as it is.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: All of it's still uncertain because it's new. You don't know.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: It folds into grieving. And I think that in this
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we're talking three months, you know, since all these changes
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: abruptly happened, everything that Anthony's talking about, I think is
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: very fair game. We all feel like this goes away
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: of natural causes or is there a point at which
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you're concerned.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I think at three months there's no way to know. Okay,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I would assume natural causes at some point.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it probably just has a happen.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, the the the grieving of the loss of
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: your pattern or your day, your day to day life
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: like is a real thing. Like I remember after my divorce,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there was a time where I was I just want
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to be clear what a report accurately One of the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: prime numbers number two. There was a point where it's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: like I was past the relationship being over. Fine, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: but man, I missed my house. I missed my routine.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He brings up his house.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say that he's still but I was thinking,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: but I did. No, here's the thing, here's the here's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the this is the craziest ship.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So uh, there's the statue. It's called a winged Victory
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of samul Thrace. Yeah. And if you go to the louver,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: when you walk in the louver and you go to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the one wing, it's right up at the top of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the staircase. Okay, so it's a very famous it's the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: goddess Nike, right the wing shoes. Yeah, well the shoes
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: are named after Nike. Yeah, but the head's gone. But anyway,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: we bought a replica of that and we had it,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: damn like by the pool overlooking the pool.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had Louve statues and your pool. Yeah, God,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you used to be rich. Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm golfing the other day and every time
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: we go to this one golf look at all the shoes.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Anytime we go to this one golf course, somebody has
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that statue in the backyard, and I know it's my
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: statue because when we sold the house, whoever bought the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: house after us sold it, they got rid of it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and then I see it in the backyard of the house.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Every time I golf at this one course, I walked
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: by and I'm like, that's my fucking what is so great?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Followed the ownerships of your old pool statue? I didn't know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: not intentionally, but how many of them are there?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: But you intention did you follow the ownership of your
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: old statue? WEIRDO, Okay, don't think that's weird because I noticed.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's weird is what he did to.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: The statue something, because that is how he definitely knows
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that's the same thing that I have sold.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know where they are now.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It has to because I've never statue. I have never
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: seen that any I've never seen that anyplace else. I've
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: never seen anybody else sell it could be and mine.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Those are the only two that exists. I get a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: little bit of grief every time I go to this
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: golf course and I see that, because it's just a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: reminder that, like, that's.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: My Have you written a letter to the statue. You
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: didn't get to say, no, I just visited at night.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Oh good. Yeah, yeah, I get it. She belongs to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: somebody else, but she's still your lady. Yeah. I like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: this where this is going.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: She gave great head, ancient Greece and shoes. Anyway, Anthony, No,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I think that we all agree with this. I mean,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you're still in the first year post update.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that this is Yeah, sorry, sorry,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you're gonna go play fucking golf and look at your
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: old statues.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, but I definitely think this. I agree with Nick.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I think there's a half life to this grief. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: think that the grief best explains the emotional fragility that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: we're seeing and why it's so sporadic. There's still like
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: this muscle memory where it's just like I missed the routine.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I missed the things that you know, used to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in my life, and now I notice the absence, even
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: though I'm grateful for all the new good things in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: my life. So I think both can be true at
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the same time. But I'm really really glad that you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: found somebody that you're happy right now. Things are going
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: well every part of your life. Work's going good. Relationships
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: are going good. You're rebuilding new routines, and I think
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that the old routines will kind of fade from memory
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: as you establish the new ones. Right, you have to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: get to a place where the now feels normal and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: then the past can finally go away and you don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: feel that absence anymore. So it'll happen in time. But congratulations,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: thank you for the shout out on the discord. Even
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: though songbird K just a total bitch, you know, just
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: nobody just universally like, watch everybody pile on in the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: discord now and be like, we love you, songbird K.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You're about to get so many hugs. It's one of earth.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: That's the way though. Yeah, Yeah, Jim finally said what
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: we've all been thinking. We've all been suffering a silence.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Come at me the case, sorry, come at me. Pod
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• 25:11
  Speaker 2: some old trivia. O good, Uh, bizarre history of sex
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and medicine, all right, true Jacob, Yeah, the ancient Greeks
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: believed hysteria was caused by what.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: The vapors I give you, that give you those options.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: An imbalance of black bile affecting the female constitution specifically,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I mean that does make sense.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Benevolence, black bile is always all over the fucking studio
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and sit by this bit terrible.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, malevolent spirits entering through the reproductive organs.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Also her pussy spirits are all over the place, just disgusting.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Deem. The uh suppressed grief accumulating as physical pleasure pressure
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: sorry pressure, I mean, uh, the uterus literally wandering around
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the body and pressing on other organs.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's that one. It's the wandering uterus. It is wow.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Also a great screen name. Did be in a band called.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Wandering or one second.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Album food Sugar Cookie The Wandering and it's all R
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and B jams. That's the name of my autobiography Jacob Smith,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the wandering US.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Whitney doctor John Harvey Kellogg, Yes, the serial inventor, advocated
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: for circum circumcision of boys and application of carbolic acid
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to the genitals of girls to prevent what.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean because I have a guess, but I
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: went off to.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. Skin infections related to poor
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: hygiene in industrial era households, impure thoughts he believed undermined
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Christian home Christian family values, masturbation, which he believed caused epilepsy, cancer,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: heart disease, and dozens of other conditions.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Wow, this is the winner for me so far.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Or moral degeneracy in American youth generally, God those.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: The physical aspects of the moral ones. I know what
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: they're saying, but I don't feel like that's it. I'm
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: gonna go see correct.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Wow was it really he was a big anti jack
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: off guy. I thought it was the Graham Cracker guy
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that was anti jack and off. I believe I believe
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: more than one person has been jack off.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: They want no one else to.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: This is so weird because frosted flakes sounds very sexual
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: in like this guy's against it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: You know what what.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what tell you?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: All right, Jim? I don't know if I'm pronouncing this correctly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It is Jim, yeah, trepidation, trepidation trumpendation.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Finda drilling or scraping holes in the skull is one
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: of the oldest known surgical procedures, with evidence going back
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: over seven thousand years. What is remarkable about many of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the skulls archaeologists have examined, Oh, I think I know
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: this one do Yeah?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I think I'd shoot from the hip if he's bold.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But it's you wager. If you want to shoot from
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the hip for my question, you win it, you get
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to you lose it, you lose your point. I mean
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: this is tough. At least. I'm only willing to do
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it if it means he ties.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Me or your bachelor's degree.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: No, I don't feel good enough. He was pretty confident.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Usually he's right, So I don't like my odds, but
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I will let him gamble. Are you feel unlucky there?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Clinton?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: You want to do it? I think I know it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think the the odd thing about the the read
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the last sentence of the question again, what's the actual question?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: What is remarkable about many of the skulls archaeologists have examined.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I think is they were that those people died of
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: something other than the procedure?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Well, is he right or not? Give him the po
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to go to options.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Oh so you disagree? How about you just agree or disagree?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: This is like that game show, like the Hollywood Squares.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, I disagree. Uh, then I think you're wrong.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I think he's right. Are survival rates appear to have
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: been surprisingly decent.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Whether it was it was the procedure is drilling a
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: hole through the skull to relieve pressure that doesn't kill them,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: And and the remarkable thing is it didn't kill all
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the skulls thousands of years before antiseptic techniques
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and the patient walking around afterwards with a.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Hole in their head.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, geez, I mean a lot of the hole
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: healed up. Yeah, you know, like the skin and everything
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: on top of it probably healed up.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Just doesn't See, you're supposed.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: To the cases of people living for decades after after
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: these things happen.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: But we all have holes in our heads. We've got nostrils,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: we got mouths, we have your holes.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Sad.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one more holes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: There are moles in your head than any other part
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of your body. Well, there are also joints.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: In your skull, so I mean they're technically openings in
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: the in the fixed joints into skull.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: You drill to relieve pressure. That's what they said. How
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: does that take away your stress? No, I don't believe
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it worked. Psychological pressure. Oh yeah, because I was going
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to start weaving it into our advice, I have, like,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: drill a hole in your head. Yeah, I tried drilling
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: hole in your head. Apparently your odds are better than
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: fitty fitty.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I get sinus headaches probably twice a month. I haven't great,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and I've got they're so intense that like drilling a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: hole in my head sounds like a great idea. Yeah,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I can actually do this.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, the survivor rate is not zero now that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I have this information.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, educated choice.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: This is homeopathic medicine. That's that's what we're advocating for.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And I believe that's exactly what it is.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: So in these cases of like Egyptians, like ancient Egyptians
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: being taken out of tombs and this, like it's crazy and.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: They just got fucking holes in their heads. Well there
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you go. All right. Well I sacrificed my question and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Jacob got more points. Yeah, good for you.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: An undisclosed amount of points and undisclosed.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: That's right. New question. G LP ones for addiction. Hey guys,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: there has been a decent amount of pre clinical work
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in some actual clinical trials looking into g LP one
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: therapies for substance abuse. Nothing had been approved yet, but
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if you are seeing it prescribed off label,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: or if you've noticed any differences when patients take them
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: for diabetes slash obesity. More generally, do you take Oh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: GLP one is the shot? That's right? What's it called
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: because of GLP one? That's right?
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I knew, I write, I knew what I knew that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I knew what a GLP one was, what it was?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: More generally, do you take a different approach to therapy
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: when a patient is on a medication to help with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: their substance abuse versus when they're not? Love the pod,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: keep up the good work, signed, staple gun pronouns or
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: she and her? I like that last part. The general
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: do you take a different approach if they're taking medication
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: for their addiction. What about that? And what if you're
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: addicted to the medication? What if you're addicted to that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: is a thing, Well, you might as well face it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna say, uh, I know I got lost there?
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: No? I think.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yes and no.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Do you take a different approach somewhat in the sense that,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: like medication management has become part of the treatment plan.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: You know, we're continuing to take it as prescribed, continue
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to monitor your your dose, continue to report any kind
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: of side effects and stuff like that, that just becomes
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: part of the treatment. But otherwise as far as like
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the uh, the psychotherapeutic approach, the talk therapy part of it,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: not really I could say, for.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Me, do you skip a step at the beginning of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it if we're comparing it to the twelve.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Steps like relapse prevention stuff?
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: No?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: No, But do you can you skip kind of the
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: if you're doing talk therapy and somebody is coming in,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: they're already doing some some medication stuff for this, can
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: you kind of skip some of the early stuff, like
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: you don't have to get them to admit that they
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: have a problem, they already they're already trying to treat
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the problem.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: In that sense, yes, but there's already people that watch
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: come in that already know that they've got a problem
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to so it's like, yeah, it's it's like the medication
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have anything to do with thatcha per se.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: What's really interesting is that in so we're seeing all
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: this news where they're like, hey, the g LP ones
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: may have this really cool side effect where there's craving
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: reduction and this is helping people that may have struggled
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: with substance abuse. And that might very well be true.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And so it's really interesting data. I'm excited about it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I think we're starting to aggregate that information. But what's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: interesting is you'll hear people be like, do you think
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to start like prescribing this as like an
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: off label use. It's like, we already have medications that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: stop substance use craving like that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Now trek Zone is available right now, that's probably more
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: effect than the GLP one.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: That's probably dumb question, is now trexone just for alcohol or.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I think opioids and abuse and abuse?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, abuse is a little bit different, and abuse more
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: more or less just makes you sick if you drink,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: whereas now track zone has more of an effect as
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: far as like the cravings go.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even like antidepressants like well, bututrin are another
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: one that like they're atypical, but like we've seen correlation
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: with smoking reduction, yeah, and craving reduction. So like, I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: think it's it's a great news story. I'm glad that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: people are talking about it. It's one of those things
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that I guess we're discovering by accident as people are
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: just taking to medicine and they're noticing. Wow, and I
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: also don't crave, which I think is really fascinating. Like,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: as that's been developing, I think that we're going to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: learn so much more about the psychobiology of the microbiome
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of oh yut and like and just the way that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like our relationship with food and weight and the hormones
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and all these things. Like like you know, obviously I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: went through intermittent fasting and lost some weight that way.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I really noticed is
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I went through that process was just how much it
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: was changing me as a person, like emotionally, Like I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: mean I was drinking less too, because it was like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: part of a big you know, health thing. But I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: would notice just like things that I used to crave,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't crave anymore. Like I was killing so much
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: of my microbiome that was probably associated with sugars and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: things like that. And when I would refeed, it would
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: be very specific, like I was trying to eat like
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: more plant based or like animal and things like that. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And so I think that I was like changing my
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: my my fauna and flora chemistry. And I really think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that that was causing like different things. Like I noticed
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I did not crave food, and a lot of people
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: would be like, what do you mean You can fast
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: for five days and not crave food? And it was
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like something's happening in my like biochemical makeup, that it
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is changing the way I am thinking about things like
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: food or drink or anything like I just had no cravings.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Is a weird thing, so I think.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And this is from a very basic understanding of how
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: this would work. Why like why would GLP ones work
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: for dealing with cravings?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I have a theory.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I have theory on this too, okay, which is that
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: whereas melt track zone is an opioid antagonist, right, so
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it basically bonds to well, it bonds to the aid
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: receptrotagonist in this story.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: According to Nick, okay, yeah, just shut the fuck up.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: It's just to shut the fuck up. Episode it's shut up,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: shut shutting out, to shut the fuck up.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Do it? Shut the fuck up?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: It bonds to the opioid receptors in the brain, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that's what basically calms that that response, right, So that's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: how that works. Gop ones don't do that, so why
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: would it have an effect on it? And I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the reason why is because the gop one's work by
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: kind of tricking the brain into feeling like it's full. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And so I think the reason why this works is
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: because a lot of people in early recovery, it's very
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: difficult for the brain to distinguish a craving for food
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: from a craving for the drug. And so if you're
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: able to take care of one of those, then it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: easier for that person to identify, Oh, this is a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: craving for the drug, as opposed to this is just
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: a craving that I'm feeling interested idea.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that gives you, gives you more to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: work with, gives you more experience and knowledge because that's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: one of the that's one of the things that I
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: used to do with a lot of my clients in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: early recovery is like work with them on getting on
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: a steady diet and make sure that they're eating three
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: times a day minimum, maybe even more.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Make sure they're drinking enough water, because then we can
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: actually kind of start to separate out what you're actually
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: feeling and you're we're trying to train your brain how
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to respond, but if your brain can identify what the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: target is, then it doesn't know how to do it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious, like when you know, I wonder what
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you're seeing in your private practice. For me, I've had
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: patients that have been taking GLP ones and I'm noticing
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of life change. But like, I don't credit
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the GLP one. I credit that the human is doing
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this daily process, and so like they start doing other
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: things differently too, Right, Like if somebody starts working out
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: every day, they're gonna start drinking less and you're gonna
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, did working out reduce their cravings? It's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like maybe, but also they're doing this proactive, pro health
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: thing every day. I think that then you start doing
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: other things differently because you're trying to better relign your life.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Like somebody's taking glp ones is being more health conscious
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: right now, and so maybe they are just like placebo
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: affecting other areas of their life where they are just
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: drinking less, smoking less, doing things that we associate with
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: substance abuse less. I have seen that in some of
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: my patients. I haven't had anybody that's like exclusively addicted
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and started taking glp ones and now they're not addicted anymore.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But I've seen people that are taking glp ones having
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: so many other areas that their lives change that ultimately
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: affect their mental health. I'll be like, oh, I'm not
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: as depressed. Do you think it's golp onees, But like
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else are you doing? Working out, not,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you know, binging like jung food at midnight? Like okay,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like those other things too, And the glp ones are
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: part of that overall life change.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what I've seen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: And because so many people are taking it, there's a
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: couple of different things that came to mind. Like one
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: of my uncles he started taking taking it for you know, diabetes.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: And he was a heavy drinker before.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: And you know, my cousin was telling me that he
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: doesn't really really drink anymore because it makes him sick.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah, so that's like I guess the alcoa.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's because it turns into sugar
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: and all the diabetes effect. I don't know the science
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: saying that, but it's something there.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was kind of interesting to me.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: But I think that, I mean, as far as it
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: goes towards addiction though, like it does reduce cravings, I
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: don't know that. It's not what Nick said where where
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: you're just feeling fuller longer, so you're not craving anything then.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: And then also I just think that totally lost my
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: last train of thought.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: It's gone. It's fine, Yeah, diabetes, a diabetes, something about diabetes, cravings.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Oh, the other positive side effects can come from, let's
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: say weight loss, so it's almost like people, yeah, say
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: I feel better or I saw some talk about how
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: people should be taking Chevin and use words should here,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: should be taking golp ones to help with or they
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: could be taking it to help with like autoimmune disorders
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: or all kinds of things, and I was like, what,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: but what they're saying is you taking the GLP one,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: if you're reducing your body fat percentage or something, is
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: that helping with your inflamed like tissues?
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Like what's coming first, what's causing?
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: What is it? Is it that the GOLP one is
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: actually doing something kind of like nex, It's not really
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: attaching to a recept or anything, but by it doing
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: its job, it is kind of affecting.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: All Obesity is one of the greatest predictors of all
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: cause mortality, you know, and like so many comorbidities will
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: exist with being overweight, and so you're right, like there
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: there are people that are looking at this, going, look,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: if the GLP ones strictly reduce the weight, then technically
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: they're treating all the other things.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I'm kind of seeing. Yeah, so it's interesting,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: really interesting.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it has all the microbiome stuff like we
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: we are we're starting to understand more and more of
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that and like how it makes you feel.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: We have three wear the heart, Yeah that's right, three
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: stomach and apparently cows then would have so many brains too,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: but now this is Yeah, it's a really interesting new
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: area of study.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited for it. I feel like this is
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: something that I got to you guys, remember when I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: used to have a doctorate, so that was actually remember okay, yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: don't yeah, years I haven't had it. You know, I
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: have one? Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah from
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: un l V. Nope, now, oh that's right. Yeah, this
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: is so funny. So a while ago you sent a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: meme to all of us and it's an AI generated
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: picture a cartoon of you. Oh yeah yeah, with my
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: degree and masking tape over it. That is your name.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: And I think I was talking whitty about it. I said,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: he knows so little about my doctorate that he does
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: not even know it's not from UNLV, it's there Arizona's Okay. Sadly,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: I do not have a degree from the NLV, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I need one.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that. What were we talking about, oh,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Integrated Behavioral Health, So that that study was into great
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: behavior health. And one of the things that was really
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: fascinating about that was talking about the combination of mental
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: health and physical health, and these combinations like alcohol abuse
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: and diabetes or depression and obesity and all these things.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And it really is like interesting because these things are
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: all so interrelated, and with being overweight being one of
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the most prominent things that at least in the Western
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you know world, we deal with, this becomes something that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you say, this honestly could correlate with so many other things,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: including mental health, Like we may see overall depression numbers
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: go down or anxiety numbers go down. I remember seeing
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a study about a year and a half ago that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: was talking about how there is now supporting evidence that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the fat density in your abdomen specifically so like visceral
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: fat that attaches to like your liver and things like
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that was associated with severity of anxiety. And like they
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: don't know why. It might have to do with inhibition
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: of certain hormones or like triggering responses, but there was
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a correlation between those two. I thought, my god, So
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: then if we can anything that ultimately reduces like the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: fat content of your body may ultimately result in these
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: better mental health you know results as.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Well, right, possibly, but that the correlation there, It may
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: just it's not necessarily that one could cause the other,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but that there's a common factor.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Which is a good point. Yeah, the court isol, So
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: if really.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Cortisol levels is going to be associated with visceral fat.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It's also going to be associated with anxiety, right, so
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it might just coexist. Yea, it may just co exist.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But either way, I mean, it's an exciting time you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: know that these medicines exist. And as a personal trainer,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: do y'all have kind of an opinion on this yet?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Do y'all look at the GLP ones and say.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Do you have clients?
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yes I do. How do you feel about it? I've
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: heard some people get grumpy about it, be like, oh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: this is shortcutting. You need to do it the old
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: fashioned way. Oh I look at this.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I have said for years that I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: feel like the fitness industry is just where the addiction
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: substance use treatment was fifteen years ago. Ah yeah, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: they're just they're so everything new that's coming up in
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: fitness is all like, yeah, I've already seen this, I've
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: already dealt with this. This to me is the same
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: as like the bupenorphine debate, methadone, any kind of medication
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: assisted therapies, where it's just like this is a tool, right,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: We're not used this, you know, as long as we
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: understand we're continuing to do the research, and we're looking
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: at possible side effects or whatever could sure could be problematic,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: but as of right now, it seems like this is
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a very useful tool.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're showing up to waits and work.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Out with you. Let's use it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: It's yeah one more so far my clients have had
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: good experiences with it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for it. I mean,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and now there might be applications into addiction. I writer,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I don't foresee at this time that this becomes a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: first line addiction treatment. I highly doubt that. I'll bet
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: it's just become something that we correlate with a reduction
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: in general craving and general association with health. But again,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that could be the result of a lot of other things,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: because as the body chemistry is changing, a lot of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: things are changing. But I'll be interested to follow these
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: studies and see if they ever identify what the correlation
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: or cause is. That'll be really cool and that may
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: advance addiction science as we better understand, oh, what did
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the GLPS accidentally shut off that was assisting in craving reduction,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Then maybe we can synthesize that and create a different
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: The other thing too.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for is if we're able to understand how
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: they work and why, and then be able to screen
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: patients in advance to get an idea of like, oh, no,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you're more of a candidate for GLP one, whereas you're
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: more of a candidate for naloxone or altracksone.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, it's good for the industry. It's it's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: good for science, it's good for health. So thanks for that,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: staple Gun, great question and appreciate you. We're gonna take
• 47:33
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• 47:53
  Speaker 1: So we're doing more trivia.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Let's do it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Let's do one, yeah, Jacob.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Twilight Sleep method of wild birth combined morphine
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: with skull scup scop scopolamine. Yeah, that's right, and was
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: enormously fashionable among wealthy women in the early nineteen hundred. Sure,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: what was the scopio mean? Actually doing that makes this
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: deeply disturbing in retrospect.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, it makes them forget, doesn't It doesn't like make
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: them forget all about the like the pain that they had.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Kid.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: No, they yeah, that's it, Joe. I don't know, No,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: don't they don't they like forget about it or something.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: They experience all the pain and like basically don't give
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: a shit about it or uh, just forget about it basically.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus, dude, he doesn't miss like his loonaire. Yes,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you know it was. This was always his sporte. It
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: was gonna be drugs and sex. Yeah, this was where
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: he was going to show up. This is micross people.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it does to other people, but
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I know what it does to me.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: It causes amnesia. So women frequently screamed, thrashed violently, had
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: to be physically restrained or blindfolded during labor. But remember
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: nothing a blind yeah blind word yeah, not expressed? Wowol lord,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Okay Whitney. Early physician prescribed vibrating devices appeared in medical
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: catalogs beginning in the eighteen eighties. They were marketed primarily
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: as treatments for what condition, Oh, come on, boredom?
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: Vibrating devices from doctors is basically what was the purpose?
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: Options?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Uterine prolapse, dysmorphia, painful menstruation, general female nervousness and exhaustion,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: or pelvic inflammatory disease.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Oh not a miner on there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Throw that in the track that you just.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Wrote good times?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with a Z two Z.
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  Speaker 5: Questions, I was distracted watching Jacob options.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, uterine prolapse, this mental hort just dismintoria, which is
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  Speaker 2: painful menstruation, general female nervousness and exhaustion, or pelvic inflammatory disease.
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  Speaker 1: Uh D No, I'm gonna go with that general exhaustion. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's see, it's gotta be see.
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  Speaker 6: It was because.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: She walks in and she's like, I'm so bored and
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  Speaker 1: unsatisfied in life, and he's like, I have something for that.
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  Speaker 2: The catalog languaged the complete the Uh the device as
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  Speaker 2: relieves nervous tension.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it does, agreed. Jim Urine was used.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Medically medicinally across multiple cultures for centuries, which of the
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  Speaker 2: following is a documented historical application as a wound let.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Me write down good times again. I wanted to shoot
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  Speaker 1: with jellyfish, but you know what, I'm just gonna wait
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  Speaker 1: for options.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting well, A as a wound wash fresh a healthy
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: person is sterile and applied to battlefield injuries, dropped directly
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: into the ear canal to treat infections, used as romans,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: used by romans as teeth whitening mouthwash. They imported urine
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: from Portugal, specifically because of the high ammonia content, was
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: considered superior or d all of the above documented in
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  Speaker 2: historical use.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Okay, I wanted to look this up
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: before I said it out loud. Everyone should just know
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: this urine is not sterile, okay, because everybody thinks it
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: is because it's dodgeball. I don't know why they think
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: it is, but yeah, urine is not sterile, he says.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, is it necessary for me to drink
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: my own urine?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Like the taste? All right? So I don't know where
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: that myth started.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm glad you figured that out before, Jacob.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Before I did my housewarming, I've pretty much just been
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: cleaning the floors.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Just it's not clean. It's just not sterile, all right,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: it's a floor cleater, fresh lemony scent. Go ahead and
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: give me the teeth whitening one.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: No, I mean yeah, but no, it's not what the
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Romans used for teeth teeth whitening. They did use something
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: else for teeth whitening, toothbrush, tooth brushing.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: No from thee'll be gross whitney. It's much worse.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, go ahead, and somebody out there, go
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: ahead look that up and make that part of a
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: trivia question going forward. I feel like I shouldn't ruin it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: It's too good to ruin it.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Looking for the answer at the discord, what was the
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: what was the thing? Oh, mouse brains. By the way,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: mouse brains, they would use mouse brains as tooth.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you a hint, Jacob, is all of
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the above? How about all of the above? You're correct?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Wow, I dislike this game.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: We just watched Dumb and Dumber at my friend's house
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: with her kids. The Dud's like, why is mom letting
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: me watch this? The oldest just like almost eleven. There's
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: three of them, according.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: To medical text and historical records.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Uh. The famous Roman author and naturalist Pliny the Elder
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: documented several abrasive dental mixtures in his natural history. One
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: of which would that was widely used was powdered mouse springs.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: In Dumb and Dumber. Do you remember the officer pulls
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: him over and he's like, what do y'all drinking? Yeah,
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: he's like I'll be that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Like, don't do it.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: He's like, give me that your mouth and pie hair
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: cut it freak, that's.
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• 53:54
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• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I just watched there's something about Maryatt.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a really good one. Ben was great
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: in that movie.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: God.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's got I Rewatchabli Brett farv Whatt. Anyway,
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