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Ep. 593: Patience is a Good Hunter, with Will Primos · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I normally like to when we're starting the show, I
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  Speaker 1: normally introduce I find myself. I introduced guests like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm dealing poker m hm clockwise if I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it counterclockwise because I want to end on a finale.
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  Speaker 1: Giannis is here, Seth is here, Krinn, doctor Randall, Corey
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  Speaker 1: is here, and Will Primos nice to be here. You're
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  Speaker 1: one of my.
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  Speaker 4: UH.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to get off
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  Speaker 1: on the wrong foot by overdoing it. You're one of
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  Speaker 1: my he you're one of my communication heroes. And let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you more about why that is. Okay. You've
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  Speaker 1: been making products for hunters for your whole life, and
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  Speaker 1: you've been talking to hunters for your whole life, yep,
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  Speaker 1: eye to eye. You don't talk down to hunters. You
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  Speaker 1: don't talk, you don't criticize, you don't talk negative. You
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  Speaker 1: have an infectious enthusiasm about the hunt. You have an
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  Speaker 1: infectious enthusiasm about wildlife. You have an infectious enthusiasm about
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  Speaker 1: your family, about the people around you. You celebrate everyone
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  Speaker 1: around you. You don't bring people down. You've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this how many years?
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  Speaker 5: I'm seventy two. I started the company in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 5: six when I was twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard I've never heard a single person say
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  Speaker 1: a single negative word about you.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Okay, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something that don't happen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, one time I killed this big deer, really big
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  Speaker 5: deer in Mississippi. And my wife goes, have you been
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  Speaker 5: on the internet? Have you seen what they're saying about you?
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  Speaker 5: And I'm going no, And she says, well you ought to.
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  Speaker 5: I said it don't matter what that what?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, what are they say?
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  Speaker 5: And they said, well, you killed it in a pin,
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  Speaker 5: you raised it in a one acre pin, and then
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  Speaker 5: finally killed it. I said, Okay, she says, you're not
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  Speaker 5: going to go and answer that.
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  Speaker 1: He says, no, you know, because we'll primos don't do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it don't exist. So I ain't worried about it. And
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  Speaker 1: it goes away.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, I'm sure somebody says something bad somewhere,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, the you know, the camera doesn't love everybody.
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't want to be I didn't want to
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  Speaker 5: become some known hunting person. That's not wasn't my goal.
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  Speaker 5: My goal was to make a living. My goal was
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  Speaker 5: to share my love of the outdoors with others and
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  Speaker 5: get them to love it and hopefully want to protect it,
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  Speaker 5: because if you protect what you love.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if I.
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  Speaker 5: Can go out there and share il cunting and share
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  Speaker 5: waterfowl in the green timber or just wherever we are
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  Speaker 5: turkey hunting, you know, just whatever it is, if I
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  Speaker 5: can share that and you can fall in love with it,
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  Speaker 5: then you'll want to protect it. And it's all about habitat.
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  Speaker 5: If we don't have the habitat, you ain't got the
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  Speaker 5: critters they take. Each animal takes a certain quality of
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  Speaker 5: habitat to thrive. And so that was kind of my goal.
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  Speaker 5: And as I went and began to go through it,
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  Speaker 5: and began to get a little bit of win in
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  Speaker 5: my sale and understand that I might be able to
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  Speaker 5: make a real company out of this thing I was
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  Speaker 5: trying to do. I came on a realization that if
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  Speaker 5: you can let people have the opportunity to know you,
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  Speaker 5: then you have the opportunity for people to like you.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're you're.
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  Speaker 5: Gambling, because if they don't, you've really you've really kind
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  Speaker 5: of hurt yourself. And so the key to that is
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  Speaker 5: to keep your ego out of it. And that was
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  Speaker 5: the secret behind Primos. When we hired people and we
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  Speaker 5: had people and it was all about them, and because
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  Speaker 5: everybody got to hunt, it wasn't about Will Primos. Everybody
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  Speaker 5: got to hunt. When we went, we went, we went.
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  Speaker 5: I would hunt usually first, and I didn't wait for
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  Speaker 5: the biggest one.
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  Speaker 1: Did a Cory Well for folks not watching, uh Phiel
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  Speaker 1: just gestured to uh Corey, who sorry, Will just gestured
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  Speaker 1: to Corey. And you guys a hunted together, which we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah we have.
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  Speaker 5: So so anyway, you can't wait. So you can't wait
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  Speaker 5: for the biggest one. If there's somebody behind you and
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  Speaker 5: you only got five day window to try to fill tags,
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  Speaker 5: and so I wouldn't kill the first thing that was
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  Speaker 5: decent and let the person hunt. Yep, yeah, I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 5: I forget what year of the fire was up there
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  Speaker 5: at the c two thousand and one or nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 5: nine or somewhere. Anyway, we were hunting, I begive this
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  Speaker 5: first day was September seventeenth. We were hunting the bar None,
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  Speaker 5: which was next to the C eight, and early snowstorm came.
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  Speaker 5: We were staying in the old schoolhouse on the bar
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  Speaker 5: None at ted Turner's place, and so we're staying there
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  Speaker 5: and it's seventeen degrees and my wife says, I'm not going.
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  Speaker 5: So we got in the suburban with our special tires
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  Speaker 5: that we had put on for all our rental cars
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  Speaker 5: and went up the mountain and got up there. Couldn't
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  Speaker 5: find an out. Brad Ferris has said, will, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: hunt first, and I'm gonna kill the first thing I see,
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  Speaker 5: so that you could have the rest of the time
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  Speaker 5: to try to kill a big one. I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: can't finding out they've left. There's so much snow. There's
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  Speaker 5: two feet of snow. We're pushing snow in front of
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  Speaker 5: the vehicle. We're coming down and I see this elk
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  Speaker 5: and he's been over feeding on something in the snow.
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  Speaker 5: You can see his head down and he's about one
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards away. And the winch r Wife
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  Speaker 5: was wor in a minute, and they went and he
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  Speaker 5: threw his head up and I went, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 5: it's a big l I said, okay, buddy, look, look
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  Speaker 5: nobody they didn't. Nobody saw him. He got spooked and
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  Speaker 5: went down.
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  Speaker 1: He went.
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  Speaker 5: As soon as he went down, I said, bail, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: We went.
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  Speaker 5: After we got over there, he's going up hill. He's
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  Speaker 5: about forty yards away. So I'm running the camera. So
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  Speaker 5: I sat down with the camera. At the same time
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  Speaker 5: I got on the hyper lip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He turned around and started coming. Brad scrambled him. He's
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  Speaker 5: putting his release on getting he's getting ready. So this
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  Speaker 5: elk comes up there and Brad won't shoot. He won't shoot.
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  Speaker 5: So I got my range finder out of my vest
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  Speaker 5: and I ranged him. I said fifty five. The elk stops,
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  Speaker 5: turns round and walks sixty. Brad nails him at sixty yards.
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  Speaker 5: Brad turned, he runs about twenty five yards and falls
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  Speaker 5: over dead and rests. You think you'll go three thirty,
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  Speaker 5: said Brad. You just killed a four hundred inch elk,
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  Speaker 5: He goes.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 5: I never saw what elk the rest of the trip,
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  Speaker 5: so Brad was gonna kill the first one he saw,
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  Speaker 5: and he did. But you know, it's not about you.
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  Speaker 5: It's about sharing. It's about being there, it's about loving it.
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  Speaker 5: It's about teaching people how much fun we can have
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  Speaker 5: out there, being a part of what God created, and
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  Speaker 5: watching elk be elk during the rut and watching white
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  Speaker 5: tails do it, and watching turkeys do it, and watching
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  Speaker 5: ducks in their migration, and just being able to be
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  Speaker 5: enthusiastic and share that and help other people get to
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  Speaker 5: that spot. Some are more talented than others, some have
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  Speaker 5: whatever might keep them from being as successful. But you
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  Speaker 5: don't look down on them, You're right, You just you
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  Speaker 5: help them rise up.
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  Speaker 1: Yanny, tell Williams what you used to tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the Truth video series.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how it was hugely.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about going down and checking at Walmart see
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  Speaker 1: if they were out yet.
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  Speaker 3: Oh right, pre internet?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I would go to the Walmart every two
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  Speaker 6: or three days. You got them New Truth videos yet
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  Speaker 6: you know, and they look at me like the what
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  Speaker 6: you know? Because you know, we were in Avon, Colorado.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if you ever passed through there. That's
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  Speaker 6: where the Walmart was there in Colorado. But oftentimes that
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  Speaker 6: department might not have somebody that actually knew anything about
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  Speaker 6: elk hunting.
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  Speaker 3: I be like, yeah, it's about.
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  Speaker 6: This big, it's gonna be kind of green, it's gonna
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  Speaker 6: say the truth on it.
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  Speaker 3: Can you call me when it gets here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back to the beginning. And and and
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning, you were born with very crooked fingers,
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  Speaker 1: my little peaky fingers. Shout those off.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know from my mother, my mother's side of
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  Speaker 5: the family, there's an extra boat in therere shaped like
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  Speaker 5: a triangle.
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  Speaker 1: From south right. Huh south from the south. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: my mother, this probably is from her Irish shide of
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  Speaker 1: her heritage.
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  Speaker 5: I'm fifty Greek, and yeah, that's where a primo.
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  Speaker 1: That's where that makes more sense.
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  Speaker 5: That's where primos come from. My daddy was half French
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  Speaker 5: and half Greek. Okay, he was a freak.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he told me. My
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  Speaker 1: daddy just passed away at ninety eight World War two
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  Speaker 1: vet hell of a guy.
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you what, no kid, you know, kid and
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  Speaker 5: wonderful man.
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  Speaker 1: And your mom's still alive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah she's ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah wow. Yeah, but anyway, had a lot of turkey
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  Speaker 1: meat or something.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So you were born out with crooked pink. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: they don't get in the way.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't worry about him, but some some people
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  Speaker 5: have to know all about him, like people like you.
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  Speaker 1: First thing, I asked you, right, when I meet someone,
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  Speaker 1: I always checks if they got ten fingers there you go.
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  Speaker 1: And in my account, I was like, wow, he's got nine,
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  Speaker 1: he's got ten, but.
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  Speaker 5: But one looks at off. So yeah, yeah type and
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  Speaker 5: I got it in something. No, I've done that too.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So did your dad hunt?
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  Speaker 5: My dad was a it was a depression child, you know.
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  Speaker 5: He he went through the Depression, He went through World
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  Speaker 5: War two. He was a navigator in the Pacific and
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  Speaker 5: lot never had a dime and was always working to
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  Speaker 5: support his family to take care. So yes, he hunted,
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  Speaker 5: but it was very limited. But I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 1: I was six years old, double barrel, side by side
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  Speaker 1: fox that he paid ten dollars for us Model B
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  Speaker 1: Fox double trigger. I'm not familiar with that gun.
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  Speaker 5: It's a side by side made by Fox. But anyway,
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  Speaker 5: we walked out the back door and we went squirrel hunting.
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  Speaker 5: I was so excited to go squirrel and my daddy
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  Speaker 5: sees a nest. He goes, let's see if there's a
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  Speaker 5: squirrel in there.
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  Speaker 1: God, they go red squirrel.
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  Speaker 5: Comes flying out of that nest.
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  Speaker 1: That is a hammer. That was a fox squirrel. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is just a little joke with us because in
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  Speaker 1: the South, like we have a red squirrel, in the
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  Speaker 1: North a pine squirrel. Okay, and in the South they confuse.
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  Speaker 1: You got confused Yankees because when you tell Yankees that
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  Speaker 1: you got a red squirrel, I'm picturing what we call
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  Speaker 1: red squirrel with the tailor out with that No, with
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  Speaker 1: his tail he's how long is the pine squirrel?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the same little pine squirrel that runs around out west.
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  Speaker 1: The one that gives me away when I'm sitting there college,
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  Speaker 1: like he's always chittering at you, like that's a red
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  Speaker 1: Like we'll hear red squirrel. So when you guys from
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  Speaker 1: the South are getting red squirrels and you're talking to Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: Yankees are thinking that you're getting little.
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  Speaker 5: Our squirrels are twice that big. They got a big
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  Speaker 5: white face.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that red squirrel. Yeah, that red squirrel. Uh. So
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  Speaker 1: was your So did your folks your folks were us
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  Speaker 1: born though, Oh yeah, they're they're us born. Yeah, got it.
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  Speaker 1: And you would get and he would do uh some
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  Speaker 1: little bit of hunting.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, girl hunting, dove hunting, take me duck hunting,
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  Speaker 5: duck cutting on the river. We didn't do any serious
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  Speaker 5: waterfowl hunting. That was left up to my uncles. My
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  Speaker 5: uncles were all interested in playing. I had four uncles
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  Speaker 5: and they were awesome, and they they took me serious
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  Speaker 5: waterfowl And when I was eleven years old, that's the
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  Speaker 5: first time I stood in twelve inches of water in
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  Speaker 5: green timber and watched two hundred matters come down.
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  Speaker 1: Through the trees. And I was, I was, I was?
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  Speaker 1: That was it? So you had some serious experiences, ah young, Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Do those guys make calls? Like how did you get
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  Speaker 1: interested in making calls?
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  Speaker 5: So, my uncle Gus was a great caller and he
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  Speaker 5: blew ay Jake Gardner's single red call guy from Uncus,
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  Speaker 5: who was friends with Chicken Major's famous call maker, and
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  Speaker 5: so I took that call and my daddy had a
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  Speaker 5: lathe and I just tried to copy it. And that
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  Speaker 5: started my game calling desire to figure out how to
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  Speaker 5: make things that made sounds.
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  Speaker 1: When you say you took a leave, like, explain that
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  Speaker 1: to people that might not.
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  Speaker 5: You chuck a piece of wood into it and you
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  Speaker 5: turn it to shape it like you want, and then
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  Speaker 5: you drill out the center.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you've got to make the soundboard.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to figure out the curve and how how
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  Speaker 5: to make the cork hold it in place. Well, the
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  Speaker 5: cork is a wedge that holds the reed to the soundboard.
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  Speaker 5: What's the what's the reed gonna be made out of?
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  Speaker 1: The reds? Are we?
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  Speaker 5: We in the old days were very limited in the products.
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  Speaker 5: But when when I started in seventy six doing stuff,
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  Speaker 5: we were borrowing from the medical industry and the automotive industry,
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  Speaker 5: any any technology that we could to building into game
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  Speaker 5: call So my lar became.
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  Speaker 1: The reed of choice. My Lar, Yeah, uh for for reeds.
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  Speaker 5: But you have a spool, and so most people think
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  Speaker 5: where you would stamp the read out with the length
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  Speaker 5: of the spool, Well, if you do that, there's a
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  Speaker 5: huge curve in the reed which totally changes the sound.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, you'll never get that curve out of it,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 5: So you've got to You've got to stamp it crossways.
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  Speaker 5: And then if you stamp it on the outside of
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  Speaker 5: the there's a slight bow in that reed, And if
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  Speaker 5: you stamp it out of the center where it's called
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  Speaker 5: up in the center, there's a much tighter that totally
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  Speaker 5: changes the sound of the call.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't press that bow out of there by
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  Speaker 1: getting a little warm or something.
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  Speaker 5: You can try, but I was never able to do it.
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  Speaker 5: And whether it's upside down or right side up on
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  Speaker 5: the soundboard.
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  Speaker 1: Makes a huge difference to So can you nowadays just
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  Speaker 1: get it flat? I don't know. I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't get it flat when you were doing that? Why
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  Speaker 1: did your dad have a lathe?
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  Speaker 5: He just ThReD a woodworking shop. He was turning and
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  Speaker 5: building would just as a hobby, building stuff all the time.
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  Speaker 1: He built tops.
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  Speaker 5: You put him in a box and tie a string
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  Speaker 5: around and pull the little top, go around and bunce
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  Speaker 5: around and knock stuff over. He's always doing.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff like that. God who'd you sell your first call to?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Buck Deerman?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
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  Speaker 5: Buck Derman was a friend of mine. He courage old
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  Speaker 5: as a buddy years okay, yeah, and he he encouraged
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  Speaker 5: me because the calls he had, the turkey calls he had,
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  Speaker 5: were following apart. And he said, look, you can do this.
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  Speaker 5: I said, I can't do that. I don't know nothing
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  Speaker 5: about making no turkey call. He goes, yes, you can.
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  Speaker 5: So I went to work and built one in box call,
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  Speaker 5: no mouthcoll. You did those first, that was the first.
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  Speaker 1: What you made.
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  Speaker 5: It was a It was a double read. It had
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  Speaker 5: two reads stacked on top of each other. They were
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  Speaker 5: the reads were an eighth of an inch apart.
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  Speaker 1: And you made that before you made a wood call.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, huh would you? Would you? How you build that?
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  Speaker 5: How do I build the You just one and got
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  Speaker 5: like prophylactic latex, and well you'd go back then we
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  Speaker 5: called them rubbers. They weren't called prophylactics because that dirt.
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  Speaker 5: That word didn't exist where kids they were called, that
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  Speaker 5: word exists.
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  Speaker 1: And so we go to your tooth brush. Your toothbrush
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  Speaker 1: is a prophylactic. It's a disease prevention.
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  Speaker 5: To understand that. But anyway, so we'd go to the
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  Speaker 5: service station because you could not buy them in a
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  Speaker 5: drug store. They weren't on the count yet, only given
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  Speaker 5: like a prescription, so you you weren't allowed to buy.
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  Speaker 5: So you go to the service station and you'd buy
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: whatever they had, and most of them were lubricated.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Now would you go be like, hey, I want you
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: to get the wrong idea. I'm making turkey calls here.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Well not, there's a story about that.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Ok So, finally I went to Daddy and I said, Daddy,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I finally figured out which one of these rubbers works
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: are the best, and it's not lubricated, and I need
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: to order them from the pharmacists.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: But I'm only seventeen or however old I was. I said,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: would you call mister park in the Parking's pharmacy and.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Order me a case?
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: He said, be glad to so.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: So they called me and said you're rubbers are in. Okay.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: I went down there, walked up to the counter. Mister
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Parker put him on the counter, and my my counselor
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: from high school, Miss.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Breelin, walked up. He knew he knew you know.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: So he looked at me, and he looked at her,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: and he handed them to me, and he goes, you
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: can pay at the girl up front, and I went okay.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: So Hays Brayley took off up front and his little
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: blond headed, blue eyed girl up there. He had a
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: little job as a cashier. I put him on the
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: accounter there and she looked there and she goes, we're
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: having a party at the grove tonight. And I said,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you don't understand. I'm making turkey calls out of these.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: And she said, you can come anyway.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: That's a true story. How long you been married?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: I've married thirty four years. It's a second marriage for
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Mary and I.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: We have no children. We mean a second marriage.
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: Ye.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: You haven't married the same person twice, but you've been married.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Oh you know, I was married once before it didn't
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: work out.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: How long you married the first time? Fourteen years? On paper,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: it's a good chunk of time. Yeah, but then you
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: knew it wasn't right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Oh, I knew it long before that. Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to put it on paper.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a qualification that goes a long way.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So this guy asked you to come a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: turkey call. Yeah, and you get your robbers, you get
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: some aluminum.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I got some beer in ten beer cans to walk
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: me through it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Well, you at first, you got to shape it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: You gotta side. Everybody's mouth is different. That's one of
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: the problems with turkey cars. Some people have very narrow palette.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Some people have very high palette. Some people have wide
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: palettes and low so the mouth is huge. So I
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: can look at somebody's face and have a pretty good idea,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: but I'll have them lean back and open their mouth
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: and look at their palette because they tell me they're
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: having trouble that gag or this. Some people have a
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: short throat, short pallet, and that those people gag a
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: whole lot more than the people that have what I
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: call it a normal palette.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So so you can eyeball someone's palette and then make
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a recommendation yeah, yeah, and so so then you start
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: trying to get that to fit so that that call
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: becomes the roof of the mouth and once you can.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Seal that there and pass air through it. It's all
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: about out your jaw.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It's all about how you move your jaw and how
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and how you use your lips to be able to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: call turkeys. But explain the back in those days, what
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you got together to make a call.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I started out with an adhesive. It was kind
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: of like a contact cement that I would coat onto
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: these illuminum frames that well, you illumined them out out
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: of beer cans. It wasly ten uh, and you would
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: get that on there, and then you put get the
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: right stretch that you thought you'd put it down on
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: the frame, and then you part of the beer can
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: the lid. Sometimes the lid with lid was usually too thick,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: but that had worked because it helped separate mine a
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: certain distance. He used different stuff, But then I went
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: to aluminum, and then I built ade and it was
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a I didn't have a punch press.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: So I went to the die maker and said, here's
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: what I want, here's the shape, here's what I want,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and I want to feed the strip of aluminum through there,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: and I just want to hit it with a sledgehammer.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: He goes, okay, so we still have it. I mean,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: it's still a little risk play. So it's got big
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: legs and you fed it through there, put the aluminum,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: put it on there and took the sledgehammer. Bamn, there's
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: your peace, bounced on the concrete, and you know you'd
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: get a piece a whole lot quicker than I could
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: cut him out. But the real secret was people in
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Pennsylvania figured out how to make what's called a crown
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: frame where the outside edges of the frame pinch the reed,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: so you stretch the red, insert the frame, fold it over,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: then have a tab that helped seal itep. So that
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: became a lot more efficient and a lot better.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: That was Pennsylvania innovation.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Yes, as far as I know, that's correct.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So when you sold that first call where you just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: saw off to the races then or was it slow?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I charged him twenty bucks, you know, and he was thrilled.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: And that was twenty bucks in nineteen probably seventy.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Five or so. How many calls did you give him
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: for twenty bucks?
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: One mouth gul.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, wow.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I wantn't go sit there and do all that. I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: mean that there was too much.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: And Buck understood, and he said, I want you to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I want you to make me more.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: How many could you make in a day?
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: Here?
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I asked that question, Seth, I don't know. It was
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: usually a night because I was working in the day
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: and i'd get home sometimes eleven o'clock at night. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: was in the restaurant business with my family, okay, And
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: so I might work two or three hours and I
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: might make six or ten.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It took a while. If I had the parts done.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, if I had the So would you go through
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: and make all the parts and then and then have
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: a night where you just went through and finished everything.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I ended up using double sided sticky tape rather than
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a glue, and that worked pretty good. Oh. So that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: would put it on one side of the frame, peel
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it off, put the latex in place, and then seal
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: it did stick to it? Gotcha? Is it safe to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: say that if you hadn't discovered making calls, you to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: bend restaurant business for career?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: No?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I didn't love the restaurant business. It was too confined.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I I just couldn't working twelve fourteen, sixteen hours a day,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: six days a week most of the time, and part
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: of the seventh day. I just it just was, it
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: didn't work for me.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: What was the family restaurant?
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: We had five of them, my grandfather, my daddy's daddy,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: immigrated at eight years old from Greece in nineteen oh eight.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Came through New Orleans.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Of course, he was uneducated, didn't know anything, couldn't speak English,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: and his mother. The Turks killed his daddy. His mother
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: lost their property to the Turks and brought them over
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: to the United States for a new life. New Orleans
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: restaurant business. All Greeks become restaurant tours, and he learned
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: how to bake and how to bust tables, and he
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: was very smart. He ended up building quite a quite
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: a business.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But he wasn't building Greek restaurants down there. Say he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't making Greek restaurants, was he? It had all had
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Greek flares, to Greek salides, steak houses, different, everything had
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: something very Greek oriented about it. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I sold my interest in the company, owned
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: stock in the company. Family five restaurants, and there were
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: a huge Some of them were huge.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: One of them was four hundred yards long, had thirteen
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: banquet rooms, had.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Two restaurants inside it. She she's absolutely huge. Three hundred
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: and fifty employees is huge.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Damn is huge. But I sold my stock back in
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight and told Daddy that I can't do it,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and because you wanted to plow that money into your business.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any money, but I wanted to put
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: my energy into business. At what point did you know
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that you were just that you had established yourself and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be making calls the rest of your life.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety I had a million dollars in sales
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: and my CPA told me I made money.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I said, show it to me.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: He said, it's an inventory and it's unreceivable. I said,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and now you owe this much in taxes. I went, well,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: where does that come from? He said, I guess you'd
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: go borrow that too.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I gotcha. How many people did you have at
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that point? Oh?
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Probably eighteen or so.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I sell the company, we had right at
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: two hundred. Right shot, What year did you sell premost
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: game calls? Night?
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Two thousand and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Six. Johanni wants to ask you a question.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: About voiceover.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, we were just we had a little content
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: summit with a bunch of our creators just earlier this week,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: and we and Steve talked about his approach to voiceover,
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: and that was really a hallmark. I felt like of
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: the truth videos was your narration. Talk a little bit
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: about that, like why why Woul did that end up
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: being the way that you guys did those videos where
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: it seemed like you sort of recorded them, but there
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: wasn't really too much story on camera. It was really
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: your voice that then narrated and drove that story.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Well, it's really hard to keep the camera running twenty
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: four to seven, so to speak and capture every moment
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: and every word. And then back then when we were
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: doing it, we didn't have the audio capabilities we have now.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: You didn't have the wireless mics, so the mic was
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: on the camera, so you had to tell the story
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: to bring the viewer into place somehow.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So what would they do?
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: They'd edited, the editors would edit it on Avid edit
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: systems the way they thought it out a beat, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: then they would write what they thought needed to be said.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: And then they would bring me in and I would
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: watch it and look at their words and change it
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: to my lingo, to my words because I was I
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: became the voice.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Man. I didn't realize, but we we really just stole
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: will system.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: We owe you some like we owe you some sort
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of payment for having accidentally stole your methodology, you owe
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: me nothing you got. You remain like a very staunch
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: supporter of a bunch of conservation or I shouldn't say
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a bunch, but I know you're heavily involved in conservation groups.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Who do you like to? I know you help out
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: NWTF a lot. Now who else do you get involved with?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Well, there's so many out there, but those that are
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: so connected to being able to double and triple the
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: money that they get through grants, those are the ones
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: that I'm right now most interested in.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Help me understand that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: So if you give Ducks unlimited one hundred thousand dollars,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: there's a good chance they can turn that into three
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: or four or thousand dollars.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: But I don't understand.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I mean they apply for grants through the federal government
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: typically to do matching campaigns, matching in dublin and tripling.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, meaning if they're able to demonstrate citizen corporate sponsorship
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that somehow can lead to more.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, it can. So what I center in on, all
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: of my interest goes toward habitat protection and restoration.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So that's where you personally like to.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I personally try to put all of my enter into
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: the ground on the ground.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm just now engineering a situation. I have got
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: a set of Party shotguns. Party is a London made
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: side by sys the p U r D Y right
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: p U r D E y d E y Okay
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Party shotguns. And so I have the only consecutive set
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: serial numbered Party side by side hammer shotguns ever made four, ten, twenty,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: sixteen and twelve. And so I've been collecting these for
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: about almost twenty years, and I reserved when I ordered
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: my first.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: One, I reserved all the serial numbers.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: And so the guns cost somewhere through my through my
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: years of buying them, somewhere around a million two and.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: To accumulate the collection to get the collection.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: And so I'm now giving those guns to conservation. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: the Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, which a lot of people don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: know about, is a fantastic organization that helps to protect
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: all of our hunting and fishing rights, habitat restoration, habitat
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: protection by state and federally. And they're out there fighting
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: making sure the states passed the right legislation, making sure
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the federal government passes the right legislation, and so I
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: chose them to head this project up. And so Rock
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Island is the great auctioneer of high end guns, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: they're going to auction off my guns.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you that's how that punk gun out
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: there we bought from Rock Island?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay. So they're going to auction the guns off
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: and the money is going to be divided between certain
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: conservational organizations that protect or restore habitat.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Are you guys fixing the auction them as a block
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to a single buyer because people don't want to break
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: them up?
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: That's I think that if you right now, we're about
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to make that decision for sure, But more than likely
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to be sold as a set only, because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: if you buy a single gun, the set's not worth
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: as much. What do you think it'll go for?
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: You know, it depends if you find the right guy
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: who realizes that anything over the appraised value.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what they'll praise for. They could
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: have praised for a million, they could have praised for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a million and a half. I'm not sure. You can't.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: You can't build them anymore. That the fourteen and twenty
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: eight will never be built again, So that person could
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: come in there and say, well, look, anything over and
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: above that I get to write off because all this
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: money is going to observation. So it might be two million,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: five million, ten million. Maybe Stephen Ronnello will jump forward
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: and do something with all that money that's under his.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know that he will.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: So anyway, it's all about habitat, it's about responing. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I love the grasslands. Just to think about the world
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that I read about in your book, in the Buffalo,
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: your unbelievable book. I just couldn't put it down. But
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: the story of of all of that that was Buffalo
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: and the animals before him, and the grasslands and the
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: tall grass and the short grass, and the prairie chickens,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: and they were they were thick like mosquitoes. And and
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: the fact that we've lost so much of that we've
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: got we got to keep that. That's that's the heartbeat
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: of the United States.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: When's that action going to happen?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Probably December of twenty five. You got to remind us
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: when you do it. Okay, I'd love to. Maybe we
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: can do a little thing where it follows along. Sure
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that auction happens. It's like a pretty discreet period of time, right,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: It's not like open forbidding for months or something.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Rock Island is the masters at that, and I'm not
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: going to run their show. They know exactly how they're
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: going to go about doing it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Man, if you remember, let us know, it'd be fun
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to do a little something about that. Yeah, have you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: shot muscols guns?
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've killed white tailed deer sixteen gage buckshot,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: you know, rough growl, sharp tails. You know you name turkeys, ducks.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I've shot them all.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: That's cool that you use them actually and put it
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: away Field.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I got a phone full of gorgeous pictures. You killed
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: merge quail in Arizona, and you put that male merge
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: right next to those hammers. The hammers have pretty dragons
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: on them. When the hammers fall, the dragon breeze fire.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: It's cool.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: So Corey, talk about your experience, how you know, will.
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: Well, let's see, I landed a job on a elk
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: cotton ranch north of town here back in twenty fourteen
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: and was offered to guide the next September, And growing
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: up always watched Primos The Truth, Big Bulls one through
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: fourteen or whatever we were at that year. And yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: I was offered to guide Will's friend that was coming along,
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: Mike ellig who used to own black gold archery sites.
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: So I got to guide Mike. I think we got
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: a nice bowl on day.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: No, you don't take you know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: He scored three sixty three. He was an eight x ten.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I think I got one. It was a beautiful bowl.
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: But then your guide had to do something the next day,
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: and I was offered to take you out, which was
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: kind of a dream come true. Honestly, Oh man, we
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: had fun, we did. Yeah, I think we hunted that afternoon.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Was he whining and moaning the whole time, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: talking bad about old buddy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: We had a big bowl on a ridge above you,
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: and I tried backing up as far as I could
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: and tried calling him in, and the bowl had forty
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: fifty cows with him and never never would leave his cows.
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: And I remember after this, I think it was after
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: the sun went down. It just, you know, that didn't
• 33:11
  Speaker 11: work out. The planets didn't a line, as I like
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: to say. You came back to me and you said, no,
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: you should have done this instead, And you know, learn
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: from your mistakes, and definitely learned from those who have
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: done it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: You remember what I told you you should have done.
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: There's something with a bugle like you grabbed a bugle
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: from me. It was still around my neck, and you
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: said you should have wailed on it like this instead,
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: because I think I might've been being a little too
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: soft or something less aggressive.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Should I just just a frustration.
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: I mean we were both fired up still that it
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: didn't work out. Adrenaline was still rolling. And then I
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: remember we had a pretty solid hike back up to
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: the truck after that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now's your day with will Primos.
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: Well, and then the next day we went out and
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: by eight thirty in the morning had a nice six
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: point down.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, so you guys got together. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. That's fun.
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: Mary and I got to do the calling. We backed
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: up about eight.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: My wife is a really good elk caller, and one
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: time she called this elk up and my friend Brad
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Fast killed it and I was one hundred and fifty
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: yards above and watching her. I'm going I just shut
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: up and let her do it. And she was throwing
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: rocks down the hill and doing all kind of make
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: it all kind of racket and then she get on
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: that dead, gumb that the open read hyperlip single, God
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: the heck is that? And that elk came in there
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: going crazy and Brad shoots him at ten yards. He
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: walks over and falls dead. And I walk up to
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: the mirror. I said, Mary, what did you say to him?
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: And she said, will I know what y'all are thinking?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You know, there's like this thing, like this little rule
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: for getting along with people socially. You don't talk about politics,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you don't talk about religion. You're pretty open about your
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: spiritual life.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I love the Lord, I love I am.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I'm a believer in Jesus Christ. He is my in,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: my rock, in my guide.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And there's just no way that wasn't going to be
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: part of your public persona, because I.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Mean, God knows, I know you. I mean, you know
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: what lightning is. You know, he knows I know better
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But you lived by your walk.
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: And not everybody you meet as a Christian or wants
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: to be or is in climb. That's that's fine, that's
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: their choice, That's what God gave us, his choice. But
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: I'm good, you know, yeah, never never any hesitation, none?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what what year was the first truth, well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the first truth that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Six eighty seventh.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: And when when you guys decided to make that, was
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: it like we're going to see what happens.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Or was this in just no, let's see what happens.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: We don't know what we're doing. Yeah, the equipment wasn't good.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: We had a back you had a real to reel.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: You had to set the thing down on the ground
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: and get it going out a wire, and had a camera.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: The stuff wasn't in the camera, it was on another backpack.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: He weighed about eighty five pounds to carry all the equipment,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: and you had to get to the where you were
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: going to go and set it down and get ready
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and hope the turkey was.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Still around by the time.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: And then climbing a tree.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: You know, we always just for Why did you guys
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: hire like professional camera guys.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, we hired hunters.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: You've got to have a hunter behind that. He's got
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: to tell that story through that lens, and only a
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: hunter can do that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Music to sess ears, Yeah, listen, man, this is like
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you're you're touching on the thing that we've that Jannis
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and I have spent an incredible amount of time discussing
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is and this is a real riddle. I appreciate that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you feel like you got the code cracked, but I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think that this is whype be one
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of those areas where you and I don't necessarily align.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, you're wrong and not right, but that's okay. You
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: can teach a hunter to be a cameraman, but you
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: cannot teach a cameraman to be a hunters necessary.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: That has not necessarily been my finding.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, uh.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: In the we agree on this, in the best case scenario,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you have In the best case scenario, you have a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: lifelong cameraman who's a lifelong hunter and observer of wildlife.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Everyone would agree. Everyone would agree that's the best case scenario.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I have found examples of both. There are really good cameramen,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like the kind of camera and you'd want to call
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: like a cinematographer okay, right, who never can get used
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to animals. They don't know how to behave around animals.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: They can't get used to animals. But there are some
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: there are some individuals out there that I've worked with
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: over the years, and I don't want to and I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: gotta say this because if they they probably won't listen
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to this. But in case they do. Rick Smith, Chris Gill,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: No Fallon Gartt Garrett, Gary Smith grew up on Yeah yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: but not like not like we did. These are some examples.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: These are outliers. Perhaps these are examples of people who
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: came to their world of cinematography being a DP, director
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of photography, camera guy whatever. They came to it from
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a world of appreciation for like appreciation for the arts,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: being very schooled and cinema history, getting formally educated in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: camera work and like majoring and that stuff in college,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and after a short time in the field, got it okay.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Like when you say, if I go, don't move, these
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: guys don't move, okay, ma'am. They at least understand. I
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: have had to sit with I've this is something I've
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: literally done. I've literally say out with the camera guy
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: before Turkey Hunt, and I want to go like, I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: gonna show you. I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: show you what not moving looks like, because apparently apparently
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: there's different understandings of what not moving looks like. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is not moving, that's not moving.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You think not moving is this? I get it. Not
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: moving is right and it can be learned, And I think,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but what. At the same time, you could grow up
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: being a great hunter like okay or just let I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: don't want to say great, you grew up being an
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: avid hunter. I want to be able to roll myself
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: into this without claiming to be a great hunter. You
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: grew up being an avid hunter. I still, this is
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: not a joke. I would not know how to turn
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: this camera on. I honestly wouldn't know how to turn
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: it on. I probably wouldn't either. No, I've done it,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: but I probably wouldn't know. I took when I was
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in regular college. I took black and white photography one,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: black and white photography two and struggled. I know how
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to wield the English language. I do not know how
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to work with images, right, So.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: We answer to all that. Bottom line, we had a trademark.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: This ain't Hollywood, so we're not trying to win a
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: cinematography award. We're trying to share with the public what happens.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: And the problem you have with people who aren't hunters
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: is they can't anticipate yes, and if they can't, they're
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: gonna miss something that really needed to be seen by
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: the viewer.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But Okay, it's good. We're good. No, we're good. But
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to I don't want you to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: think by me using the term cinematography, I don't want
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you to think that I'm talking about people who are
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: trying to arts stuff up. If you talk to these guys,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: they don't talk about they're not like, oh, it's not beautiful.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's not that they talk about coverage. Right, Like you
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: could be trained in photography, trained as a camera guy, whatever,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that that doesn't mean that you're like focused on that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You're focused on that. You think you're gonna set everything
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: up with the setting sun and the fog and right,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's like coverage, did you get coverage? Meaning? Uh, can
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you fill the scene out? Right? And they have a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: people like these guys at the right training and right experience,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: they understand they can picture. You're to get out of
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: your truck. You're gonna walk in the dark, You're gonna
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: kind of arrive at a place. You're gonna hear a gobble, right,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna find where to set up. You're gonna get
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: set up. You're gonna not like it. You're gonna get
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: set up again, you're gonna get your stuff out, you're
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: gonna write, and every little single part of that, they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: got a part of it. When you're watching something that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: that's not great, maybe you got like the lights coming
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: on when you open the truck door and the next
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: thing there's a guy sitting on a tree. You missed
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch, Yeah, because you didn't get coverage and that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: knowledge of coverage. I just don't want to be hacking on.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be hacking on. I get it,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I get it. I once was listening to an interview
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: with Ralph Stanley, the bluegrass musician. He won't play with
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: college kids. He says, college kids don't understand blue grass.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You don't want to play with college kids, or something
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to that effect. And I'm like, you know, that's funny
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: hacking on college kids. But there's a pretty good college
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: kid camera guys out there.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I get you.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I do agree with anticipation.
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: Like I filmed with Steve a bunch in the field,
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: and I'm like to the point now where I can
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: something changes with him where I'm like, okay, like I
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: need to get ready to get some sort of shot here,
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: you know.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there's also a part he didn't mention is
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: that I have to look at him to see if
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that was actually a gobble. Yeah. So Bratt Brad Ferrish
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: was the was the master at being able to anticipate
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it and get over the shoulder stuff. Yeah, absolutely magical.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But I like you. I like your word choice anticipate. Yeah.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: But one time the Outdoor Channel, we were the rated
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: number one on the Outdoor Channel, and they came to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: see us. They came all the entourage, about four of them,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: came to our office and sat down and said, Okay,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: y'all have got to change some things. Let's look at
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: this footage. Look at so that right here. You've got
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: to change that airplane has no business being in your footage.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Here. What airplane?
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: This airplane flew?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, just some random airplane. Yeah, okay.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: And the gobbler was goblin and got shot while the
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: airplane was and then we looked at him and go
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: just reshoot it and get some other ambient sound and
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: edit the airplane out.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: And look, I don't think we're gonna be number one
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: much longer. We're gonna keep doing what we do. Because
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: of the feedback we get from the public that says,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: thank you, thank you for not reenacting scenes.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Gotcha, you know.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: And the first time I saw a guy killing elk
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: on video that was reenacted, he walked up with the
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: camera here the elk in the middle, and the guy
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: walking up and finding the elk.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: You didn't like. That's bs. They all knew it was there.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It wasn't original. We won't. You don't do that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: You get behind the guy and you you get what
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: you get.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yep. You fill it up with what really happened, and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: if you fall down, you show it and you get
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to laugh, which I've done, which we are going down
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: a steep invitment and end up with your.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Self in the water and all messed up, and you
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: know you show it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Fine? Yeah, Hey, what do you think makes a good hunter?
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: What makes a good hunter?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing to do with camera guys. But what do
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you think makes a good hunter? Oh?
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Somebody that realizes what patience is and giving things time
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: to happen, not trying to force it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you do? You do? You subscribe to that
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Turkey hunting philosophy. If you think you ought to do something, don't.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: That that's that's fifty percent of the time.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: That's what time you do do it. Yeah, you do
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it anyway, but you like the idea that you should
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: at least double quite yes, question the impulse, Yes, sir.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? You know is Turkey's your favorite?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I always think of you as that. I imagine you'd be.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You like turkeys. Turkeys and elk.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I'm glad they don't come at the same time of year.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: But in this stage of my life upland hunting. That's
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: what got me into the shooting of sporting clays, and uh,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: I wanted to get better at shooting upland birds. There
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: were certain crossers that I would not shoot will primos,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: if that dove or that duck was coming left to
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: right because the way the winds we had to set
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: up and the way the wind was on the on
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: the blind or whatever. I learned not to shoot at him.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I want to go hit him. Yeah, well, what the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: hell you still shoot?
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, thirty forty fifty you just set
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: the shot out. I mean, I just, I just I
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: just wanted to go shoot at him. Would I want't
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: gonna hit him?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And so I would. I started shooting for the Claye
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to go to these people who knew
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: how to shoot this stuff and teach me this is good?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Can we the it's a good chance to talk about sure,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: so kind of the reason I've always wanted to have
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you on, and we've talked about having you on over
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the years for various things. But what allowed it to happen? Now?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: What the reason you're sitting here is you sent me
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: an email about a book you worked on. I'm sorry,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not can you pronounce your your partners, your your
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: buddy's name?
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Anthony Matisse.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Matteris so Will sent me an email about a book
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: he's got that's available now, Straight Shooting for Hunters, a
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: champions guide to using shotguns in the field. And it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: by Will and Anthony Mattie. And the significance of that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: is here we have a lifelong hunter who knows the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: challenges of being in the field, knows the challenges of
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: making real shots in the field on stuff that you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: got to not just nick but kill. And Anthony is
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a competitive.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Shooter and a hardcore hunter also hard lives to duck hunt.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so Will. The premise of the book is to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: take technical shooting expertise and the dos and don'ts of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: shooting and apply it in real world scenarios so that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: when you sit there like you're saying, and the wind's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: blowing left to right and the bird's coming right to left,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you've got to not shoot.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the nuances of the game of sporting clays is incredible.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: And by sporting clayes, I mean shooting stuff that's flying
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: through the air. Okay, for instance, I'm behind a setter,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a pointer Germany short air their own point, and I'm moving.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Up to the side of the dogs.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: The dogs got a view of me where you hold
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: that gun, where that gun starts from, because you're going
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: to be low gun, You're going to have to mount
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: that gun.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And then where your eyes are.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Your eyes can come back to focus one hundred thousand
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I forget what the exact number is, but let's just
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: use one hundred thousand times faster than your eyes can.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Go out to focus. Keep back up and say that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: again your brought us up there. I'm on a thing.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I'm on a kicking life where when someone tells me
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: something I don't understand, instead of going Huh, that's great,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I go like, no, I don't understand so and that
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they need to re explain it, okay, so
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: it allows room for explanation.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Quail or right here at this door, which is approximate,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: and lay ten feet away from me, and that dog's
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: pointing right there.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Well, rather than look right there, I want to look
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: over and beyond at about fifty yards in soft focus,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: so you know, like you know the birds there because
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the dog's telling you. And instead of staring at the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: brush like you see it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Here, So the quail could be here here, here, here,
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: it could be anywhere, because the dog's got the scent
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: and you don't know if that they've run off and
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: stopped again or what. You don't know exactly where they are,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: but you know about So don't try to look and
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: see the quail and see where where they're going to
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: come from. Look over them and beyond them, say fifty yards.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're look at how you're ever going to
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: just hold them right out of the bushes, all right, smarty,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So your eyes come back to focus so much faster
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: than out to focus.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: So if I'm looking and solve focus and the quail rise,
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: my eyes come back and see the flash. My eyes
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: come back and grab the flash. Now, I don't look
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: at the quail. I look at his beak, I look
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: at his head. I look at you can. Some guys
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: are really good at being able to shoot only male
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: bob whites rather than just fifty fifty it because they're
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: looking that intensely and they pick out that bird. And
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: then your hands. Your eyes tell your brain where your
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: hands go. It's no different than baseball. You don't look
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: at the bat. You look at the ball, and that's
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: all you look at when you're throwing a football.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, man.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're throwing a football and the guy's running,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: you're not looking at the ball. You're looking at the runner,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: and you're deciding how fast you gotta throw, how far
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: you've got to throw it, at what angle you've got
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: to throw it so it will drop into the receiver's hands.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Your brain calculates all that, and through repetition in practice,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: which is what sportingclays gives you, you learn to be
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: able to execute that subconsciously. And so you become subconscious
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: when that quail is down there, your eyes look out
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: that you're ready, and you move and shoot and you're
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: much more effective. And there's different techniques. Let's just say
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: it's dove hunting or duck hunting. You've got what's called
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: swing through, and here's you start behind the bird and
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: you move past the bird. Your brain, you match speeds
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: with the bird. Then you move your gun slightly ahead
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: to the lead, and your brain tells you that's it, and.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: You pull the trigger.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Yep, that's technique one yeah, that's one yeah. And then
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: you've got maintained leads because of what the how far
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: it was, whatever, You mount in front of the target,
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: match speeds with the target, and then.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Pull the trigger. That's my technique. Is that bad?
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily, But if you can learn the all three techniques,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: you know, if you can learn how to swing through,
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: how to maintain lead, and how to mount, own the
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: bird and stretch it all three, you will be a
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: much better shot because they all come at different times
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: that you should apply depending on a distance, angle, and speed.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: So how how far it is? You know how fast
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: it is, and you know, uh and the angle is
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: it a quarter?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Is it straight away? Is it going straight up? What
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: So?
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've gotten I've gotten crazy about this game.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: Anthony Matterez helped me tremendously. I went up there and
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: took lessons as part of this book. I took lessons
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: from him and carry luft Our editor stood behind me
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: and videoed everything that was said. I've got the videos
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: of Anthony Saytan, will you don't trust yourself? Will You're
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: not look you're you're stepping up to the plate and
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: you've You've gone to the prom and you've got a date.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: She's what you got. You know you ain't gonna find
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: another one.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: And it's just amazing the analogies that he use to
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: be able to help me understand how to properly move
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: a shotgun. But I've made friends with Givin Miles from
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Arizona and his wife carrying both world champions, Bill Maguire
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: from Tennessee World champion. I mean, these guys are so
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: much fun and they're so great and they're all very accomplished.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: And when I went to Anthony, he wrote a book
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: called Straight Shooting one hundred dollars Coffee table book. And
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: I went to him and said, when you signed my book,
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: and he said, will I'll be glad to sign your book?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I went, how's he no mon name.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: He turns out he's a duck hunter and all he
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: uses is the witch. Yeah, so he and his brother
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: are big witch callers that they hunt. They live on
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: Delaware Bay on the river there and they hunt every day.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: They're crazy. And so he called me the next day.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: I said, how'd he get my number?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: You know what kind of deal?
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: He actually emailed me and I said, how do you
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: get my email? And he says, call me sometime. I
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: adn't mailing him back. I said, is now a good time?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: He said sure. I called him.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: He said, let's write a book together. I said, okay,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: what are we gonna write a book about? He goes
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: about you learning how to shoot?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that eye trick. That's great. I never
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: heard that eye trick with birds, like I am absolutely
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: try it dissecting the sage brush or whatever. Being like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that try I'm gonna look for that sucker.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: What are your eyes doing in the duck bline?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: Oh well, it depends on whether you're the one who's
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: controlling the blind or not. If you are not the
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: coller just gonna call the shots. You're not doing the colling. No,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: you're looking down hopefully you're seeing the reflection in the water. Mate,
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: you're watching the collar. You're you're hiding. That's the worst
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: thing waterfowlers do is they don't hide, and the ducks
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: see something they don't like. Maybe circle one more time. Whatever,
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: you know, you gotta hide, so.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: So you'll you're content to miss the show.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: If you're not, you have to be if you want
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: to get good shots, okay, because you're screw up putting
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: your big old white face out there. You know, we
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: wearing masks and stuff like that. But they see movement you.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: It's best to have something over you.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: So when you go to make the shot on a mallard,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: are you you're looking at a part of the mallard?
• 55:05
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, It depends on the shot. If he's coming
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: into decoys, I'm I'm naming at his feet because he's
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: coming down. If he's let and now he's rising, you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm just mounting right on the duck and moving
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: my gun slightly above his head, just like maybe an inch,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: trying to shoot him right, you know, just as as
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: he moved. Depends on the steep.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Whether it's a teal that's real fast and rising, if
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the duck's crossing.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: It depends on the speed. George Digweed is the twenty
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: eight time world champion from England. He's won the World champion,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Anthony's won everything. Uh, George has won the world, especially
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: in Hungary and in Dubai and all over the place.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: And I just went to England and took lessons shot
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: a day with George Digweed and the guys. He's he's
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: he doesn't know what he does.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: He's so good.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: He's incredible, he's incredible.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: He primarily uses swing through.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: He starts behind the bird, gets perfectly online and comes
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: through the bird and for ninety five percent of his shots.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: But there's just just so wonderful studying this and understanding.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: But writing that book, you know, with with with Carrie
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: and Anthony was incredible because I have now I now
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: don't have any excuses.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: That's the deal. Well, yeah, because now you wrote a
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: book about it. Yeah, it's gonna be embarrassing when you miss.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I want to tell
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you the worst shot for me, Maybe you can tell
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: me what the problem is. Darks come in you know whatever,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: they're coming into decoys. Everybody shoots and then you get
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the one that's like he's leaving, he's going up, he's
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: going right or left, and he's going over your shoulder.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: So from my perspective, he's going Okay, that's hard. Okay. Now,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: sometimes maybe he's already been hit a little bit to see,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: especially when to here's the duck.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, go in this mount right behind him and follow
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: his line, and when the gun passes his beak, pull
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: the trigger. The speed of the gun will give you
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: the lead. Mount own the duck, come right through and
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: that gives you the line. And move right through and
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: look at something on there. Look at his beak, look
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: at his feet through something. Don't look at the duck,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: and do not look at the gun. It's just like
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: when you hit a baseball.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: You're not looking at your bead at all.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: No, no, Now, the only time you would do that,
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: The only time you would do that is if a
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: low flying bird is coming in and he's close to
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: the ground your gun. Your brain will confuse the dark
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: color of the you see the gun.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: In your periphery.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna use this analogy. It's like it's like merging
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: into traffic. You're not looking at your hood. You're looking
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: at the track, and so you're timing your speed of
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: your vehicle to either merge in front of a car
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: or right behind it. That's what you're doing with a
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: shot gun. You're taking your gun and you're matching speeds
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: with the bird and then slightly moving ahead to pull
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: the trigger that gives you the lead.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: All these analogies you're using, like when you throw a ball,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: you don't look at your arm. When you're driving your car,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you don't look at your car right.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: No, listen, when I got to shoot a little bit
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: with an instructor in Latvia a couple of years ago.
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: Anytime I've shot with an instructor and I'm I first thing,
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: I'll tell him as well, not that good because I'm
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: left eye dominant and I shoot right handed. And this
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: guy he looked at me and goes, oh, So I
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: was like, well, still sometimes I like to close my
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: left eye. It helps me line everything up. And he goes, oh,
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: when you you play basketball at all?
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I go, yeah, decent shot.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: He goes, do you close one eye when you shoot
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: your basketball?
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: No?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: You know, no, I just that yeah, so very very free.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: People are a hundred percent left or right eye dominant,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: and there's a there's a test to do that.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Did we show it in the book, so not to
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this one. So if I'm looking at you, you know
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: no that that only shows you, which is okay. Because
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: this is an audio thing, there's a video component which
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: you can find What's Our What's.
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: Our Meat Eater podcast network on YouTube.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Make sure you hit the subscribe. It was also so
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: from the ever since I was a little boy. I
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: want to tell what Yanni did when I did like
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: my dad would say, as probably ninety percent of dads
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: in America would say to their kid if this question
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: comes up, they'd go when they're trying to ascertain if
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: their kid is right or left eye dominant, they go like, okay,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: aim your thumb at me, close your eye and aim
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: your thumb at me right and I close my right
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: eye and then aim my and I'd take my left
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: eye and and my thumb at will and then they go,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: left eye, donamant left eye dominant? Yohani did, uh. He
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: made a little he put his hands together and made
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: a little diamond between his What do you call that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the crook of your thumb?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 10: I don't tell that is like a like a an
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: arrow pointing out.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, make the make it inverted.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: I love you get as small as you can look.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Tighten her down, down down, So you got a little
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: aperture there and then aim that at someone.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that tells you what you're most most likely to eat.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: But the real test is like like like right now,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: I am going to point at your right eye, okay,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: and I want you to look and see where my
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: finger is and lined up on my eyes?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Where is it? Oh? Huh? What where is it? Where's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: where is where is my finger in relation to my eyes?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: On your right eye?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Okay? H where is it?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: On your nose?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Will you? Guys will yelling at you? So you look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: at his eyes when he points, say that very naturally.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: If you see me to get off his land, I'd
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: probably get off his lamb.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: So what you're doing is you're you're establishing how much dominant?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Do it to me? Because I don't understand huh, doud
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: do the same thing to me? I'm trying to understand
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: what he's seeing.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm going to point. I'm gonna you're you're
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: trying to tell me. You're trying to tell me which
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: one of my eyes is dominant?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: But I got both open. Oh yeah, you're closed. I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: am too.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna point my finger at your right eye.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: Where is my finger lined up.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: On my face a little bit that way.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 10: Of center, looks that way to the left, Steve.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Right eye, Will's right eye. I'm looking at you dead
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: eye with both my eyes. It's on the bridge of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: your nose.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: Should be my finger should be lined up with my
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: right eye. It's not right there.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: It's dead nuts on the bridge your nose. Okay, now
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: now you got to you got two left eyes. Now
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: now I'm pointing my finger with both eyes with my
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: left hand. Now it says that way.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: So what you're doing, you end up you end up
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: establishing somebody can be cross eye dominant and they get
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: their both.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: So if it's on the middle of your bridge, you're
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: seeing with.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: Both your eye, both your eyes. So that's that can
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: be very hard for a shooter because it's brains does
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: the brain doesn't know which eye to tell the hands
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: where to go. So when you have when you're when
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: you're dominant, you can be eighty percent dominant, ninety percent dominant. See,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: so it's very important to establish that. So you should
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: establish that and One of the things you could do
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: if you wanted to do, You could put a dot
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: over your glasses. We talk about that in the book,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: to barely obscure your dominant eye a little bit.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that it makes your other eye your you're
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: said left eye, your your left eyes dominant.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: But can we establish like a very basic thing you
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: it's true, this is true right like when you're when
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you're wing shooting, there's no reason to be closed in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the eyes.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I was going on to that, we got distracted
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: a little bit. So if the bird is loaded the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: ground and coming in close, coming in right at you,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: the brain can confuse the barrel. You're seeing the barrel
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: like the hood of your car. It's in your periphery.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: You don't really see it, but your brain is going well,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: and you think you're on the target and you miss, Well,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: that's a that's a spot shot. That's a spot on
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: aim shot. You point it like a rifle. So for
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: a coming straight at you. A lot of times in sportingclays,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: I was shutting my left eye because I want to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: make sure my gun's pointing right at that. There's no
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: lead involved, you know.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: God then you're aiming at like you're shooting a turkey.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: So there are instances, and Anthony talks about it in
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: his book Straight Shooting. He was a young guy, he
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: was doing really well. He was down in Florida shooting
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: in a major tournament, and I believe he shot. He came,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: he tied for six, but he was he was winning.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: And he got to the station with that low incoming
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: and Dan Carlisle was an Olympic champion bunker trap and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: other disciplines, and he taught Anthony never to close the eye.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: And Anthony went back.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: He was tearful. I believe he was like eighteen years old.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: He was tearful. He was gonna win this tournament and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: he tied for six. He went home and thought about it,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: thought about it, went back to this hotel, thought about it,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: thought about it, and the next day he shot one
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: hundred straight. He figured out that he needed to squint
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: an eye or close it a little bit on these
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: incoming straight birds to be positive where his brain was
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: being told his gun was pointing.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: So there are disciplines and nuances within the game for
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: different stuff. Just like you said, that's the way I shoot,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: you shoot and maintain lead. If you would mount on
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: the bird on some of those then barely move in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: front of him, it gives you the line you're not
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: when you mount online, you're taking out the fact that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: I'm too low or too high. You start right behind
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: the bird and move straight through, so you're in the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: line with the flight of the bird.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: And that takes out fifty of your error over and under.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 10: But Steve, that sounds exactly like what you've told me
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: in the past when you've taken me out. You're like,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 10: imagine a paint brush and you're painting beyond the bird.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 10: I don't think you told me to keep an eye
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: on the dot. You're like, you're going beyond the bird,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: in front of it from the beak, and that's where
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 10: you're shooting because the time that you know.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, there's a lot of things in life
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: where we tell people your thing fine, then you catch
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: yourself not but yeah, like in my you know, and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: then in the heat of the moment or whatever, and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you just might have not doing there's certain things you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: don't do, you know. But I've done enough where I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: can try different not as disciplined as you are. But
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I've done enough shooting where I know that in some
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: try instances this and some instances that. But but you're
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: talking about a very You're talking about really major shifts
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and strategy based on situations. And I think most shooters
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: are not consciously yeah, thinking about not consciously going, I'm
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: gonna use this method. Now, I'm gona use that method
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: on that shot. I'm gonna use that method on that show.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: That brings you to understanding gunfit. So gunfit is not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: the number one thing, but if you want you to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: get to shooting a little bit, gunfit is major important
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: because when you mount that gun, when you mount that gun,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I should be pointing at what I'm aiming at. So
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: when I'm helping somebody, I'll let them fit the gun,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: show me it's unloaded, and then I have them mounted
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: and pointed at my right eye, and I can look
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: down and see exactly where their eyes looking, so I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: can tell it if there's too much not enough comb
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: height too. You know, the comb mite's too low, it's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: too high, the pitch is wrong. And women are different
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: than men, They're built different. So the heel to toe
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: of the butt plate and how it's angled can hurt
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: and it also so if a gun hurts you, it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: doesn't fit you. If it hurts your face or your shoulder,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: it probably doesn't fit you. And everybody, most everybody shoots
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: too hot a shells. They shoot way too much.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Pa, there's not better, no no news to me.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: I can show you right now George Digweed shooting clays
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: at a one hundred and thirty yards with not too
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: hot of shells.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I can't picture that. You see the video kind of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: like lobbing it in there. Man, you're holding for drop.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he is doing that too, but it's incredible.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Are you ever holding for drop on ducks only.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: If they're seventy five eighty yards or further? Okay, you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: shoot slightly.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Off, so that's not the thing you're not.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: You don't shoot at him that far. Yeah, you don't
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: shoot at him that far.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Here's one thing I'd like to ask you a lot
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: of times I've heard from water fowlers that a good
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: way to know if the duck is close enough to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: shoot at is when you can see their eye.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've heard that that's really close. That's good, that's good,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: that's good.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: But it means that like, there's that mandatory or do
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: you feel like, oh no, I could easily shoot when
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: I can't see can't make out the ducks eye.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you can see the color of the head.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: You can just mallards are great because you could see
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: the green head from the hen. You got something to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: focus on. But typically you learn like bow hunting. Yeah,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: when before rangefinders got so easy to use and so forth,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: if I can look at that tree and I can
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: see the distinguishing mark bark on that tree with my
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty vision, twenty fifteen vision, when if I can
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: see that, I know that that tree is thirty five
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: yards are closer.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Hmm. That's a good little trick.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've got to know your eyes to be
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: able to do that.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: That's a great trick.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: And here's here's here's a perfect example to kind of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: help you put some of this lead and so forth.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: Let's say that birds doing that. Okay, he's flying pretty
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: fast and he's I'm just shooting as a way to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: say goodbye thirty yards Okay, So what you do is.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Showing him out here up here comes the bird over
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: your head. Oh, you mount right behind him and when
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: you move straight down the line, your hands, your gun
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: will hide the bird. But what you're doing is, if
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: the bird's flying at twenty miles an hour, you want
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: to move your gun at twenty one or twenty two
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: miles an hour.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: So you combine. And when you combine, you keep moving
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: your gun and you bend at the waist and.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: You pull the trigger, and he will crumple when you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: pull that trigger. Are you already pulling the second shot?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: No, okay, you're not, like, because he knows he's gonna
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: hit it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: No, this is not I don't know if this is
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: a this is a uh, this is at assary, This
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: isn't a wing shooting question. But uh, in your mind,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: what's a far away turkey? What's a fire shot? Forty yards? Okay?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I won't shoot one past forty just because it's not
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: the game, right, and it's not the game, and it's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: not fair.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: There's too many little things that can go wrong. Okay,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: but it might be forty five, but I misjudged the distance. Really, Yeah,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: I shoot tss. I shoot a twenty gauge youth eleven
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: eighty seven with a silencer.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: What do you use for using an optic or to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: shoot beads.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: So, because the silencer is a big can, I had
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: to put a I put a Bushnell hologram kind of sight.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: It's kind of weird. No matter where your head is,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: as long as the dots on there, it kills it.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Dude, I was into those, well, no, I wasn't. I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: was using those for my kids. The red dots, Okay.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I was putting red dots on a break open four
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: ten okay, because it's just easy to explain to a kid. Yeah,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I shot red dots last spring on turkeys. I'm done.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: I'm a bead gallon turkeys. If I didn't have my
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: silence shirt, it's beads.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Done with that craft. Yeah, it's fun, but it's just
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: it's just another thing to think about it, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: it's another thing thing.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: She should have shot gun, you know. And I've gone
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: to the silencer because of my ears.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Sure, so I know that you got to. You got to.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: You got the hearing aid, I got to hear it.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: You blew your years out of your head over the years.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: Look, I was the Martians ship instructor and the Air Force.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: I taught people how to shoot them sixteen's and thirty
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: eight and forty five stuff they got shot down in
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: the airplanes. They could protect themselves, and they didn't tell
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: us to protect their ears. They gave us some mere
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: must in Lackland where I trained, but they didn't tell
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: us we had to use them. And then I shot skip.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: I was the I was the Mississippi State Junior skeeek
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: champion in nineteen sixty four at twelve years old. Nobody
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: entered but me, and I won by the fault. I
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: never forget my little futer cup. I'm standing up.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: I won.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Isn't that something I didn't wear? Hear in protection?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: So now I've got I've got, you know, I've got
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: here in eighth and I got high frequency back. I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: can hear high frequency. I can talk to a child now,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: whereas I couldn't for a long time.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, did it bring the gobbels back? Yeah,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: for a long way.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Grace started it.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: She came, dear precious friend of mine, and Grace she's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: meeting with me, and she looks at my chart and
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: she says, will you need to be wearing here in age?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: I says, I don't really want to wear here in age.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: I'm due fine without him, she says. Will the first
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: The first thing that somebody who's lost the kind of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: hearing that you've lost is gonna get is dementia. Your
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: brain quits using that part of the brain. And so
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: I said, okay, I'm in. So she'd send a lady
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: who calls on your house. I got these hearing aids.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: I'm learning to use them. I walked outside one morning,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: it's just barely getting light. It's still dark. Then the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: winter oak tree is bird singing up there. I went,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: holy CD, I've never heard that bird before. That is incredible.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: I went back inside. I got my binoculars. I want
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: to see what bird it was. Bird wasn't there. I'm
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: standing there. Start singing again. I run in the backyard.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: There it is, but not, here's a robin. I ain't
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: heard a robin sing in twenty five years.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I'm headed that way. Yeah, and I was not regret it. Well,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: the gobbles are getting hard. I always talk. I talk
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: about this all the time. But like my kids, there's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: one like, no, it's not shut up. Just like Seth
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: and I have fish as next to each other. I'll
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: yell something over that Seth and he'll yell back. I'm big.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I look at my kid. He said this.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: He said, Look when I say we have the camera, mean,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: what do you saying?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what'd you say. Now I can hear what
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: they say.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: I got these here and they're they're incredible.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Or even in the boat. My daughter will be in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: the boat and it's set a little bit of background
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: noise of the motor running. Not even bad should be
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: looking out the front of the boat talking everybody in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: the boat. I'm like, what's she talking about. I'm like, ros,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: you got to turn around, look at me or come
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: back here. But I can't hear you from one end
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: of this eighteen foot boat to the other.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a pretty good test that I can hear
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: everything you say in this room because that microfat is
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: in front of your lips and I cannot read your lips.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Reading lips is a big deal when you start losing
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: your hearing.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I tried so hard not I really try to enforce
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: the hearing aid stuff with my kid. My kid had
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: these we uh on the fourth of July, whereas by
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: by the fireworks, you know, and my kid had these
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: kind of like souped up snapp its that came in
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: this plastic thing, and he decided to try to open
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: that package with his teeth that had his ears ringing,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: oh blood, his lips all bloody, and one of them snapped.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: It snapped a couple of them because then it detonated
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: its neighbor. And he's like Mayor's mayors, And I'm like,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: damn it, man, Now he's gonna be like me and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: a half deaf, you know, And I had the We
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: keep teasing my wife about this because, uh she had
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: probably the best mom quote all the time. She says
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: she's all mad, and uh so the kids always tease
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: her and I do too, but she goes, that's why
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: fireworks should be for professionals. True, we're gonna bring in
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: a professional to light this black cat. The professionals will
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: be here at nine to throw our snappops. That sounds horrible, Uh, anyhow,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, we were so stupid. I mean, listen,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: I never not that I wasn't aware of what they
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: were sitting in. Duck blinds. We didn't have blinds, but
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: duck hunting as kids hunker down, make it. Yeah, we
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: make blinds. Whatever duck hunting, including like belly crawling up
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: on ducks in a pond and get them the old
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: one two three with your buddy shotgun, like like three
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: inches from the side of your face. I would people
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: didn't even bring they didn't even leave hearing protection in
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the truck. Like you simply did not own it.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: You gotta own it like I don't.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: When I I don't mean own it like how people
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: use it now, Like you got to own that. You
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: know it's your responsible. I mean own it like they
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: didn't possess. I got you, and it was just a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: part of the deal that some guy would light one
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: off next to your head. It's just like there's that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: old feeling.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: I know, somebody who wanted to be funny and he
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: had a few too many beers and he had his
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: thick of dynamite and they were trying to make it
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: blow up in the air, and he held it the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: fust just the right late and he went off right there.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: You got to see his hand his ear. It gives
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: me a sickening feeling now thinking of all that time,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: all those times when I would just be like for
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: two days, know when someone touched one off next to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: your head.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, the foam mere plugs are inexpensive. They usually
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: give him away gun rangers. And if you know how
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: to use them and you squash them down and put
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: them in your ears and then hold it in there
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: until they swell up, that helps tremendously.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: That's all Anthony uses. Really, that's a grace start of
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: it makes fantastic. And he just uses the old phoemis.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the old phoneies.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, better nothing. And I'll tell you what, like when
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you're young, you can't picture if someone had told me, like,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: oh later, you'll have hearing problems. And I don't even have,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: like really I have like kind of hearing problems. You
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: can't hear bugles good like the guy next to you can.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And the worst is not hearing gobbles. I have to
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: look at it. Like when I'm hunting with Seth, I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: just had to look like we'll we'll crow call whatever
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: and that will brill in my case blue jay crawl
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you know how, We'll make a noise, will make a loud,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: disruptive noise, and I'll have to look at I'll listen,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm also looking at Seth to see if he
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: like raises his eyebrows or some indication to something.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: Which like an alcoholic. The first step is admitting you
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: have a problem.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: You have a problem with yeah, calls and hearing. Yeah,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: that's my two primary problems. Uh. You and I are
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: both big fans of Jeremiah Johnson.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: No, no, no better cinematography, no better word.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: You think that was the Hunter? Let me ask you,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: do you think a hunter shout that movie or a
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: camera guy?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: I think it was a camera Well, can you get
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: a little closer to your microphone please?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I'm I think it was the camera guy. Yeah, yeah, Uh,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: will brought me a gift. The position of this suggests
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that you're trying to take credit for writing Jeremiah Johnson.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: But it's just your email address up top. That's it's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: the entire script, Yeah, for Jeremiah Johnson. So the v O,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: there's a little vo. There's a narrator that has a
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: couple of lines in there up top and at the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: end discreet and and then it's every word and then
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: including the parts where he can't tell what anybody's saying. Well,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: the reason he can't tell, but it's like it's one
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: of those things where people debate what said.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: Yes, So what inspired me was when when delle gue
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: has come up on the Indians. After he's after the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: Mormons buried him in the sand and he got dug out,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: you know, not the Mormons turn Mormons, part Mormon, but anyway,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: you know, he finally gets there and he goes in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: there to kill him. He starts screaming as he's going
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: in to kill him. And I'm listening, listening, I've listened
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: to it thousands of times. What you're hearing, Aiden, with
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: the hearing Aiden everything, I just can't understand what he's saying.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: So I went and researched and found finally and you
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: can read what Dale gus.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: I will, but I want to did you once you
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: found out what it was, did you then watch yes, okay,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and you're convinced this is what he says.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, okay, now now it made sense. It's kind of
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: like a song that you can't really understand. But once
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: you read the lyrics and listen to it song, oh
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: that's what he's saying.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: In cases any idiots out here in the listening public,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: There's a movie called Jeremiah Johnson. It was directed by
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Sidney Pollack. Uh. It's set eighteen thirty six, So what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: the movie is set?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: And I believe it's set in like eighteen sixty Was
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: it that late?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: It was the well, no, it was right. He was
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: coming out of the.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: Spanish American War. Yeah, yeah, that's later.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty three, No, not sixty.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: Three, somewhere in there.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Robert Redford plays a character Jeremiah Johnson. He's coming from war.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: He's coming from the Spanish American War, not the Spanish
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Mexican Americans come from the Mexican late eighteen forties. No,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. It is, man, he just missed.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: He just missed the fur era. Yeah, take that up. Randall,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: doctor Randall. You know, Randall's got PhD in what history?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: All right, Turkey, all right, it's all I got. So
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: he's gonna apply. He's gonna watch you to a PhD historian,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: apply his training, and he's gonna tell us what year
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: that war ended. Watch you'll find it.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: Go for random.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I gotta double check all these sources.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: He's going back to the primary source work.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson is the Spanish. The Mexican American tales name
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: of the war, Randall Mexican American following the Mexican American War.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to go and be a mountain man. But
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: he arrives, and he arrives in the Northern Rockies and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the heyday's over, the beaver trade is wound down. He
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: just wants to be largely left alone. He encounters these
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: number of these great characters. He sort of acts very
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: accidentally against his better judgment. Starts like a little family.
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  Speaker 1: He winds up not accidentally, like against his wishes. He's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: thrust in due position where he has to adopt a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: young child, also against his wishes, and against his better judgment.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: He's thrust in the position where he has to become married.
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  Speaker 5: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: So now he's like has a wife that he didn't want,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: he has a child that he doesn't want, and he
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: tries to establish a life for them. Spoiler alert, they're killed,
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  Speaker 1: and it sets him on a quest for vengeance. And
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: through time his thirst for vengeance is sated, and and
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  Speaker 1: he's just now like a sort of ghost of a
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  Speaker 1: man and living alone in the mountains. And I will
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: say that the vengeance in this case was really the crows,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: because he made his amends when he went and kill
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: the people that killed his wife and his kid. That's true.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: And he left one and that one then reports back
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: to paints his shirt red, which is the headed guy,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: head of the tribe, and he says, and the drenth
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: of them is built on one warrior, and so they
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: send one warrior at.
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  Speaker 1: A time to kill Jeremiah. Yep, and he is able
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to kill everyone that he sent after you.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, if I may interject, there's no specific year that's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: pinpointed to the movie, but.
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  Speaker 1: I know that if there was, we wouldn't be arguing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: about it. I'd be holding it right in my hand.
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  Speaker 8: That's fair because he was a veteran of the Mexican
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  Speaker 8: American War, and he's still wearing his cavalry pants when
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  Speaker 8: he went into the mountains Mexican American War eighteen forty six,
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  Speaker 8: eighteen forty eight.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't know.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: He encounters a man. He's out in the desert and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: he encounters a man buried to his neck, just his
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: head's bald headsticking out. No, he's wearing it. He had
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: hair at the time. No, he was bald, bald time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And he yells something, he says, I am delG you,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: I can whip my weight andes that everybody knows that.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: What they don't know is this, straight through a crab
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: apple orchard on a flash of lightning. I never knew
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that till last night. Yeah, you've stolen my pelts and die.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: You must already knew that. Straight through a crab apple
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: orchard on a flash of lightning. And the old days
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: we would have called this whole episode that. There you go,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I like it. Well, we can't anymore trying to get
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: more serious about what SEO. I don't know what the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: hell we're.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 10: Trying to search engine optimism.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: No one's searching that because they don't know that that's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: what he says, it would get se O zero. No
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: one's searching that today. Straight through a crab apple orchard
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: and a flash of lightning. Well, I love the movie
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: most because then, so we're gonna go to this is
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: this an episode of Steve Reid's movie Scripts?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: So you don't know what about?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: Are we gonna skip over the part where he's running
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: into the house, the part that Will didn't know what
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: he was saying.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Now we know was not in the house.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: He's the Indians are sleeping.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they attack him.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: So the young boy that he's been forced to take
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: on as a son. And Jeremiah have found del U
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: buried up to his head and you know, asked him,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: he said, engines bury you here twarnt marmons. So they
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: dig him out. And now the search becomes to go
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: find these Indians and they were black Feet, I believe,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: and to find them and and and Dale is gonna
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: kill him. Jeremah doesn't want kill him. He's supposed to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: be left alone. Yeah, and that's when he's that's when
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  Speaker 5: he when when Dale g that's when he's that part
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: is charging and that's what that's what he's. George Indian,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: one of the delightful characters.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: He meets his bear claw, Chris lap Lap, and he said,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Chris lap begrudgingly saves his life and gives him his
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: initial education and mountain living, how to stay warm, how
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: to get food and all that, and then uh, how
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: to trap you leave. Then Chris lap leaves him and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the end Jeremia Johnson's like way up in the high country.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: He's uh cooking a rabbit. Now. One problem, the one
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: problem in Jeremiah Johnson. There's one distinct, singular problem in
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: the whole movie. One imperfection he's roasting a rabbit on
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: a stick. The end of the movie, it's just sad.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Everything's sad and depressing. He's way up in the high
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: country by himself, bundled in his furs. He's got a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: little fire going and he's cooking a rabbit. The one
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: problem in the movie Randall, what is it? Do you know?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Oak beagles No. When he goes to get he goes
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: to pull a leg from the rabbit and it comes
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: off as though it's tender. Mmmm.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: It's like it's.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: It's no way. They almost got to the end with that.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: If I would have been there as a consultant, I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: would have said he needs to really try to pull
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: hard and can't get it off, and eventually tries to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: cut that leg off because I don't care how you
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: cook a contail rabbit on.
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  Speaker 3: A fire, so you think it was a like it
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: was pre cut or was a farm raised.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: The rabbit reaches out bearcrock. Chris Lap pulls up. Ask him,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: everything's unspoken this movie. Ask him what's on the spit?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Chris Lap asks Jeremia Johnson what's on particular. Jeremiah Johnson says, no,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: who guess what? Yeah, Chris Lap asked Jeremi Johnson, what's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: on the spit grown particular? And he says to him,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: he replies, have you grown particular? And he says, only
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: about the company I keep, mm hmm. But he throws he.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: He says, not about my feeding, just the company.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: That's just the company I keep. But he's willing to
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: come talk to Johnson. Johnson then removes the leg of
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: the rabbit and it's just too easy. It's always tripped
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: me up.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 11: Maybe he had an instant.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah it. If he pulled it off, I'd be like, yeah,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: this looks great. There's a movie I want to get
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: into subtlety. We're nearing the end of the show here
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: will but there's a very good movie called You Can
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: count on Me, Okay, And it's about a brother and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: a sister who are orphaned and then one of them
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: becomes like a family person and one of them becomes
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: an addict and wander and the whole movie. You never
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: know why the movie is called you can count on Me.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: No one ever says you can count on me. Nothing.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: In the end of the movie, the brother and sister
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: tried to come together, but he's too messed up, and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: the sister doesn't want the brother around her children, so
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: he's got to go away. And one of them says
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: the other one, do you remember what we used to
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: always say to each other? And you're thinking, well, here's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: the part where someone's gonna go, yeah, it was you
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: can count on me, But he just says, yeah, I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: remember never said. No one ever says the words in
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: the whole movie. But you know the name of the
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: movie is the answer to the riddle, right, Jeremia Johnson
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: nothing said in the end of the movie, but it's this, Uh,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson wants to know of Chris ask Chris Lap,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: would you happen to know what month of the year
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: it is? And Chris Lap takes a stab at it.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: March maybe April. March is a money month down below.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: Some folks like it mostly I hope you will farewell.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: No, you left out, he says. They speculate about what
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: month it is, and they don't arrive at an answer. Right,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: It's just left is an open question. They don't know that.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: They're so out there now and so removed from anything
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: to say March. I don't believe April. Yeah, he goes, March.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't believe April. Winner's a long time going
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: stays long. This high march is a green, muddy month
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: down below. Some folks like it, farmers mostly. Then he
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: says that he changes the subject. It's a non sequitor.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: You've done well to keep so much hair when so
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: many is after it, when so manyar after it. I
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: hope you farewell. And the movie no no, then the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: voiceover yeah, the then paints his shirt red, says his
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: piece doesn't say anything and say it, but he says it,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: says it with his hand. Yeah, wow, thanks for that.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I need a really long hallway because I'm gonna frame
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: this whole thing. But I need a hallway long enough
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: to We've got that. Yeah, really long frames. So the
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: eleven inches higher.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: To me, to me, paints his shirt red, and Jeremiah's
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: ending scene is about forgiveness.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's it's paints his shirt red, that offers
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the sign of peace. I shouldn't leave that off.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: And then when Jeremiah gives, gives when he realized when
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: he reaches first gun at first because he thinks we
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: go again, and then he realizes it's paints his shirt red,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: and he realizes he's offered the peace sign. He cannot
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: stretch his hand any tighter.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he goes and then he goes higher.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: It was like got the trump got his earshot fist
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: in the air defiant. Yeah, but it's not. It's a piece.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: He stretches it and then he like strains to get
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: it higher and instead emitting, he's just got rags wrapped
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: around his hands.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm telling you, it's been wonderful to meet all
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: of y'all as a bee here. It's been absolutely great.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: And as far as the book goes, you can pre
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: order audio right now. You go to Amazon and and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: just type in Straight Shooting for Hunters and audio. Yeah,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: the audio version and the book. The audio version will
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: come out first, and the audio is read by me.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: It's my good, perfect, it's my voice.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: You let some idiot read it.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it'll be Straight Shooting for Hunters And type
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: in Primos or matteris and you can pre order the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: audio and that'll do you a lot of good riding
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: your car. Listen to it. But the diagrams that are
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: in the book are very visual.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: That's why. That's why when you said audio, I was like.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: Sure, when you go to talking about pointed the eyes
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: and establishing how dominant you are and either I it's
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: in there and then the swing through the pass through,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: the maintain lead.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: You know. All that is in the book Street Shooting
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: for Hunters, A champions Guide to using shotguns in the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Field Anthony Mattise correct and uh, Jeffert Will primos Jack,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: big Jack Jack, Big Jack, Oh, big Jack. Sorry, I'm
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: little Jack. Well, thanks for coming on the show man.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: It means a lot to me. Like I said, are
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: up top, I'm gonna and I'm gonna end it the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: same way I began. I've uh always admired you and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: and and your positivity and and just like euphoria for family,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: wild life friends being in the field. It's it's just
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: it's good man.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: I've gone her a whole lot more respect than I deserve.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: But let me thank you because you've taken up the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: torch and the work that you do and what you
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: do with your team and sharing with the world what
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: meat eater is all about and what loving outside is
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: all about. It hunting and fishing is awesome.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Good Thank you, good ship, keep it up, thank you.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Good job, Thank you.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks Will.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, You're welcome.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's in the morning and I'm dropping the game.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: Little my boys, it's getting her my dog. I'm running
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: with my dog.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: I've got a black flat.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 12: Blood down the mountains and curl.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: Any kind of game feeder, Hofir, I got my dog.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: No runing with my dog?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: Well first like midnight. It's all the same, me and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: the dog.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: We're after the game, wet lands, up lands.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 12: Mountain juices, we get to jews. Well, it's turning the morning.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Mount to drop the girl.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, little little boys.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: Let's getting late. I not my dog.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going hunting with my dog.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 12: I got a blooted leadhound a mountain care.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 9: And it kind of gave it all leather, Afir.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 7: I got a dog, and I'm going to hunting with
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: my dog. Will let its first like mid ninety soul,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: the same being the dog gonna go get us a game.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: So wedd landsy up lands are.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 12: Just some mount cues.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: You know you did tooose?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 9: Do.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: Don't feel like today, the lapse of thirty all it's bad,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: don't matter how anything, knowing no l
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 12: In the