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S3 E17: Sugar High Josh Returning? · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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  Fifteen degrees. You can see you a breath out here in the lake effect,
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  breaking tables like a tree. Where else would you have to be?
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  And Ran Elvis and the lay Panchow. Remember that you need to know.
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  Where else would you welcome into the Nickel City Crew. I am your
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  We're so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo bills and NFL
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  content again today, and as always, these are my Bill's thoughts are set
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  out loud. It's a vibe so ridiculous. Joy plus eighty three was sick
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  shout. Where else would you want to be? All right, let's get
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  straight to it. I am really excited about tonight's episode for a multitude of
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  different reasons. I know that everybody had a lot of fun on Monday night
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  pun intended, but I wanted to start the show with a little bit of
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  a lighter note for sure, and We're happy. We've been you know,
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  promoting at Nickels City Crew for the last couple of weeks, now letting you
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  know about what was coming up, and it's it's finally all Ryan for Sure
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  joining us tonight. We've got a special guest we told you about him joining
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  me as always, Ryan Shako with me my co host, Adam dump Truck
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  rupsick ill at the Crew DT. Check them out on Instagram at Adam rupsick
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  r U p c Z y okay DT. We got some ship to get
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  into, man, but we're gonna well, we'll get to it later,
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  man, but yeah, probably at the Crew DT. Man, I know
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  it's been Nickel City. We're back, We're back. We'll get well,
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  we'll chop it up a little tonight. But excited to be back home home
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  opener. And we know we know the vibe and the meaning of what that
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  means to all of us and how we became and everything in between. So
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  excited for this week. Excited to chop it up, put it behind us
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  and go. But big show tonight. Let's go, crew, Yea,
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  let's go. It's a big show for sure, DT. And we're really
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  excited joining us, you know, twenty six shirts. If you guys haven't
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  gone over there, please hop on over at twenty six shirts dot com.
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  We always talk about it and promoted here at Nickel City Crew, which again
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  we simulcast on the Buffalo fan based podcast network. I got in touch with
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  the Godfather and he was kind enough to let me come and kiss his ring.
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  And then he told me, you know, to me, just don't
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  talk any business on the on the day of my daughter's wedding. And I
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  said, okay, no problem. So we're happy. Man Dell Read,
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  one of the co founders of the Bills Mafia themselves, is in the building.
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  Man, holla at the crew. Uh Dell, I mean we are.
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  We're excited to have you. I mean, I mean, I don't
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  know what we had to do. We have to road like anymore carpets,
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  mem we are really excited to have them. I'm excited to be on.
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  It's quite an intro. Thank you so much. That's, you know,
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  very humbling. So no, thank you so much. I've been looking forward
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  to as myself, just getting even you know, like you said, chop
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  it up with you guys. I want to talk about you know, whatever
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  you guys want to talk about Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it
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  then, I mean we I know we can talk about the game for sure,
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  and that's at everybody's mind, but we wanted to talk a few things
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  about about you and about the Bill's Mafia themselves. I wanted you to kind
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  of bring our listeners in behind the scenes, if you could. Some of
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  our are a little young, I mean, Mike, even my Kings listened
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  to the show, so some of the listeners may not know about Bill's Mafia.
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  They'll hear it, they'll see it on stickers and things like that.
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  Explain to the crew about Bill's Mafia, how it did it start. I
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  know that there's been a lot of different stories about it. I don't know
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  if it's could be Mitchell or Bill, Stevie Johnson or whatever happened, But
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  how did it start? Because Bill's Mafia is obviously something that we identify with.
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  It's really kind of how it's like a family. To be honest,
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  that we always talked about the raffia means family and that that really brings true
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  for me in DT for sure. Yeah, no, I'm happy to share
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  it with you guys. I'll give you the abbreviated version because I could go
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  on for an hour about it, because there's some of those details and rabbit
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  trails, and sometimes I'm tempting to go down. But really it was a
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  joke. It was a joke I made back in twenty eleven with UH,
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  with Brian Harris and Leslie Willie and a few other folks. We had gotten
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  blocks by Adam Schefter for some teasing that we sent his way back in twenty
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  ten when Stevie dropped the pass and went on Twitter and kind of question god.
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  Schefter retweeted it like a day later, and you know, we're Bills
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  fans, so we're super sensitive, easily butt hurt. We're started going after
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  him a little bit. And I always say that, like the promise,
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  we weren't being nasty. We weren't dropping F bombs. Twitter wasn't like the
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  vitriolic environment it can be now, really like for me at least, you
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  know when I if I even saw again an F bomb or something that back
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  then and they're like, WHOA, what is it? So right now it's
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  like you gotta like whatever you see all the time. But like we were,
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  we were being good natured about it, and he blocked us, and
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  so I made a tongue in cheek reference to us like six months later,
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  called us the Bills Mafia, and it was just a joke. It was
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  a joke. And I was in the middle of picking up a pizza actually
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  on a Friday night. Uh, picking the pizza. I'm waving to get
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  done. I'm sitting there hanging out on Twitter like I always do, and
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  fired off that tweet and closed my phone and took the pizza home, made
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  the pizza. I looked at the phone later and I was like, oh,
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  it's got some it's got some run. Yeah. Yeah, but I
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  wasn't I wasn't trying to do anything with it, and like it kind of
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  like just kind of that was it. It kind of blew over and then
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  Bree kind of hyped it up over the summer and get into training camp and
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  the h some of the players started seeing it and it was Barnett at yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. They both had that long kind of ye Harris,
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  I can see I can you know, ten years later, twelve years later,
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  I can see why it gets kind of fuzzy, But like, no,
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  Nick Barnett saw it, and uh, you know, I thought it
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  was cool, and he made a custom mouth guard, and we all like
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  were mind blown when a player was even seeing what we're doing and then embracing
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  it. And then a bunch of players like Stevie right away, obviously,
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  Aaron Williams, Fred Jackson, a bunch of players that started using it themselves
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  and everything, and uh, you know, Brie and Leslie and I we
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  were getting like our own audience build up from this joke that you know,
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  just that we made that I made that We were kind of like trying to
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  shepherd a little bit, and you know, created a website and started to
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  like form a little bit of a community because Bill's Mafia at that time was
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  not all Bills fans. It was a smaller subset of Bills fans on Twitter
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  that were made fun of by the fans that didn't he goes some money.
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  So like people used to call us burls Murfia all the time whole, but
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  we were we were like the nerds a little bit in terms of those fans.
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  But you know, we all it did was represent how much we love
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  the team, how much we love each other as fellow fans, as a
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  community Western New York and Western York at large, across the country of the
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  world, and you know, we just we just continued to run with it.
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  We did fundraiser tailgates, and you know, we weren't jumping through tables.
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  I don't even know who started that. That was never us. Somebody
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  jumped through a table once and yelled Bill's Mafia, and suddenly that was the
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  thing. But but we've always really wanted to stress the family part of it,
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  like you mentioned, because we're all you know, we only knew each
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  other because we were staring into our phones talking about football. We shared that
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  connection, we shared that love, and there was that, to use the
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  word connection that we had. And so it was it was another uh fan
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  uh Sean I can't remember his last name, dude, if you're watching this,
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  I apologize. He actually the term fan base. He said he was
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  trying to explain it to his girlfriend or whatever, and he said, yeah,
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  we're like a family, were a fan base. I guess it's kind
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  of a fan base. We saw that, dude, all right, yeah,
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  and uh, I said, can we run with that? He's like,
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  yeah, absolutely, go for it, and so we you know,
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  wouldn't fast forward a couple of years, we created a nonprofit because we were
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  doing stuff and we would didn't want to going it through our accounts. We
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  wanted to have transparency, and so we called it. We called it Buffalo
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  Fan Base Incorporated with the name of the nonprofit, and it just grew and
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  grew, and then twenty six shirts grew out of that in twenty thirteen,
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  and it's just gone to the point now where you know, Bill's Mafia.
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  The Bills themselves have adopted the term. The people thought they stole that from
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  us, and really what it was was they saw how popular the term was
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  with the fans, with the players, and they said, we go,
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  We're gonna embrace this. This is this is they're talking about us talking about
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  Yeah, And so they brought me in before it was even announced that they
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  were, you know, going to pursue that and everything, and you know,
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  I had the opportunity to really talk with them at length. Ron Rakulia,
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  Kim Pagoula got to really stress them like, this is not about like
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  I know, I own a T shirt company, but this is not about
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  T shirts. This is not about merchandise. Bill's Mafia is about community.
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  It's about the family that we are and they really seem to understand it.
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  And credit to them because they could have just you know, they could have
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  just taken it. It's like, uh, this is mine now, taken
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  it and run with it, and like, who what are we going to
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  do except for like fire off mean tweets, you know, yes, And
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  so they really embraced the origins of it, and they understood why we were
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  doing what we were doing and what it represented. And you know, I've
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  always had you know, their ear in terms of like if there was something
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  that I wanted to you know, express or something I was concerned about there
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  they would always listen. And that continues now. I mean, Ron is
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  left and obviously Kim Pagoula situation. We pray for her, we hope for
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  the best for her. But everybody in that organization that I have dealt with,
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  outside of even those two names, have been awesome to work with.
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  And it's it's cool because you know, the last thing you want is you
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  don't want a weirdness between you and your your favorite team, right absolutely,
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  that would be will be horrible, And there would have been no weirdest with
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  them for me or for them with me. Who who might read? But
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  it was it was great. I mean, they and they have like like
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  I said, they shepherd it. They've done a great job of it,
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  and they're always open to input. So that's a really sweet story and story
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  because I mean that I mean and when you look at it, like you
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  know, I'm on the website now since you're twenty six shirts at one point
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  eight million raised to date, and if you guys again are not familiar,
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  you know, twenty six shirts, they're they're all T shirt designs that are
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  going. All the profits go to you know, these families and sometimes their
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  situations are are really bad and really dire, and they've got children that are
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  in trouble. What are the case may be. So the fact that you
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  know, you guys give a portion of that to these families to help them
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  and support them, I just think it's so dope because I love the shirts
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  and I've bought you know, a few over the years for sure, and
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  we kind of plugged that and then to hear the fan base, that's the
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  part that really sticks with meat DT because that is literally it though, like
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  Buffalo is a family, you know what I mean, and the bills do
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  bring that together. So like that that name is so perfect and when you
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  know, Justice General reached out to me and asked me if we could come
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  on and I could start. When I started my podcast, I just I
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  like the name the best time, Like, you know, built in Buffalo
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  sounds cool. And I heard about Buffalo Rumblings where my boy Jay Spence is,
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  but like Buffalo fan base, it just the name itself really intrigued me.
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  So again, we we really appreciate it over here DT, because that's
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  pretty cool of DV. I did not know the fan base card about it.
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  Yeah, And I mean you're talking you kind of set the trend for
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  the entire league of now every team has some sort of model, some sort
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  of yeah right, and all the tightened up or school in Minnesota and in
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  Mafia is kind of the leading the leader in that in that clubhouse, and
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  it just sounds cooler, it's cleaner, it's you know, I'm proud to
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  be a part of it. As I was down in New Jersey this weekend
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  with you know, obviously going to the game with a bunch of all all
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  Jets people and they're like, oh, you're in the mafia. I'm like,
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  I'm a made man. I couldn't be more in the mafia, right,
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  So that's it's it's a really cool thing that's kind of started the whole
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  NFL. Like people like this stuff, you know. Yeah, no,
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  I appreciate the kind of words man, and it's you know, really it's
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  just uh. And Breed would say the same thing. Leslie would say the
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  same thing. Anybody who's been around, you know for twelve years and part
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  of it would would agree, like, dude, it never gets old.
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  It never gets old being at the stadium and hearing the person over the PA
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  say Bills Mafia, get on your feet or a new player you know,
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  signed with a team or get drafted. First thing they tweet is just Bill's
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  Mafia. That's it, Bills my head, you know, it just it's
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  it's crazy. It's just loaded with so much meeting now, you know.
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  Yeah, and it's uh, it's an honor to be to be a part
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  of it. I didn't I always say like, if you know, if
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  it wasn't Mafia, it was going to be something else, because Bills fans,
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  our time was coming. We love this team too much not to unite
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  and not to support the team with everything we have and to show our you
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  know, our pride you know, out in the real world and social media
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  and everything. So if it wasn't Bills Mafia. It was gonna be something
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  else. But selfishly, I'm glad it was absolutely kudos kudos to you and
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  in the whole founding fan base of really the setting the tone of like not
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  making it corporate, not making it, you know, keeping it blue collar,
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  keeping it true Bills fans culture and you know, and that means a
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  lot. And I think that's why it stuck so long, and I don't
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  think it'll ever leave. I mean, how can how can the maffia ever
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  change? Now? You know, now you got mafia baby, your uncle,
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  so many kids across Western York and the CUD. I mean, yeah,
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  that mean Bill's Mafia. It permeates throughout the fan base and it really
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  you know, it's funny that the Dell said that I know he's gotta he's
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  got to skate out of here, but that that is funny because every single
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  time I do see a new player sign free agency anything, you know,
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  what's up my fia. You know, even when to came to town,
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  you know, it was holling at the mafia. And that I can't imagine
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  if it was my phrase or you know, or something that I had a
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  part of of hearing that, because you're absolutely right. I don't even understand
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  how it could never get old. So that that is really cool, man.
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  We really appreciate you to that. Coming on again, head on over
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  to twenty six shirts dot com and all of the proceeds a portion of the
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  process, they actually go to these families. They go and actually help these
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  families out that are going through some things with their T shirt designs. And
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  again, the shirts are so dope. Shirts dope. I mean, these
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  guys are always coming out with the good stuff. Yeah, yeah, we're
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  trying, we're trying. I got an awesome team. It's not just the
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  Dell Red Show. I got an awesome team that's working with me on that
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  stuff. And uh, but yeah, you know, it's great. It's
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  fun to do it. It's an honor to be like at the stadium or
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  be Wegmans or wherever and somebody's wearing one of the shirts, like, oh
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  my gosh, Like, you know, nothing pretty cool. You know,
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  nothing's handed to us. We you know, we uh you know, we
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  work for it. We appreciate it with people, Uh appreciate it. So
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  just it's cool too. It's cool to be a part of this this family
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  you know this fan base, you know that we have. Well, we
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  are really excited again. Our shows are airing on Thursdays and we simulcast on
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  the Buffalo Family based podcast network. Again, Delbry, we really appreciate you
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  joining us, and I take it some time out of your night from your
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  family. We appreciate it. Salute to the salute to your godfather, for
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  sure. Man, we appreciate that you're joining us tonight. Man. No,
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  I appreciate the indvite. Keep up with great work, guys. Okay,
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  appreciate it. Detail man, Go Bills, Yeah, absolutely, go
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  Bills. I mean that was Those are some cool stories man. I mean
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  I could not even imagine being the founder of the Maha field. Like he
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  said. You know, you've heard in the stadium where you see like you
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  just saw your water bottle, Like that's that's pretty crazy, man. And
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  I love that. And I love that point that you said about corporate.
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  Now you know, I'm sure that they make some money, but they did
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  not let the bills steal it from him and take it from him and make
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  it all buttoned up. And I really like I like that a lot,
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  DT for sure. Yeah, No, it speaks true, like I said
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  the blue collar. It couldn't be more bills, couldn't be more western New
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  York. And I I kind of knew like small stories of how it kind
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  of got started, but it was really wrong linebacker, But I knew it
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  was a linebacker, right, but it was They were waiting like and literally
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  the mafia was waiting for something like this to come along. And and you
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  know, thank God for the success the past couple of years to kind of
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  blow it up and make it more than just a muffle thing. But but
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  I love it. It's easy, it rolls off the tongue. It's I'm
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  proud to be a man? Are you are? You are? We're all
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  made, We're all made. We didn't have to kill anybody. Yeah,
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  I love it. Man. Again, appreciate the rejoining us tonight for that,
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  and again headed over to twenty six shirts dot com to kind of support
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  and show your support as well. DT. We we got to get into
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  it, and you know what I mean, Like I mean, I really
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  appreciate del kind of coming on because it kind of gave it a little bit
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  of levity to start the show. DT. Man, I've had a really
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  hard week. I know that you and I talk off off air, off
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  the time, and this week was really really tough for me. Now we'll
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  get to your report from the Meadowlands and we'll get to your Medlife stadium experience.
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  I know that it was raining and it was going through a lot of
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  stuff down there, so you had a deaf and experience as well. Before
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  we get to your game day experience in Jersey, DT, I've got it.
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  I just I need to sit on the couch, if you don't mind,
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  I have to lay down on this couch and I need your help,
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  man, because what I'm what I'm trying, I'm going through some things right
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  now, DT, I am working against I don't want to change how Josh
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  Allen got behind me. Okay, he got on the matten covered because of
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  some of the great things that he does and you know, leaping over linebackers
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  and in cornerbacks and doing the things that he does that makes him Josh Allen.
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  However, there is a clear problem that I'm seeing with him, and
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  it goes back to last year and I know that you and I have talked
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  about it, and I'm having some trouble kind of reckoning both of them because
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  I don't want to neuter our quarterback. That again is why he's over my
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  shoulder on this Matten cover. So you won't get you can't get the good
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  without some of the bad. And I understand that how that works. You
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  can't ask somebody to cook your gourmet meal in the kitchen and then bitch that
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  the kitchen's dirty, you know what I mean. You know that's gonna happen.
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  So there's gonna be some stuff that's spilled. Boy, DT, I'm
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  going through right now, and I'm having a really tough time. Bills,
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  as we all know, lose on Monday Night football in inexplicable fashion. Aaron
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  Rodgers goes down four plays into the game DT, and we lose to Zach
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  Wilson for a second time. It was inexplicable. Defense played well, they
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  were providing pressure, they were even though the secondary was good for them as
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  well. They only had one big run out to Bruce Hall. And the
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  only way to lose that game DT was to let them in the game and
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  keep them in the game, and and seventeen did a damn good job of
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  it. And it's it's really got me messed up, to be honest,
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  this week. I'm just going on right at least so robbed. I mean,
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  we'll we'll chomp it up, We'll get into it. I mean,
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  I think I'm gonna talk you out the ledge a little bit as you're you
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  know, as the point of this shows the whole reason why you said,
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  you know, your bill sought set out loud, and we do this almost
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  therapy and good and bad ways. You know, we got to talk about
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  the bad, we got to talk about the good and and so I think
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  i'll, you know, by the end, you'll you'll be putting your hour
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  to ly rate to me, and you know, I'll get you back where
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  you need to be from when we meet up on Sunday for the Raiders.
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  But it, yeah, it's a tough one anyway you look at it.
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  And it all starts with the three hundred million dollar man. I mean,
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  if if we're not paying our quarterback three hundred mill you can look at a
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  lot of other excuses in this game. There's a lot of other things that
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  you know, you can point to. But the dude with the with the
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  bag gets the gets the blame. And and he stood up there and took
• 19:47
  it and stood up there and does it, and he always does and I
• 19:49
  think always will but you know, well, we'll get into it a little
• 19:52
  more. But tough for sure all the way around, especially in the fact
• 19:57
  of wins and losses and the Chiefs losing, the Bengals losing, and you
• 20:02
  could get a cheap one and a workman's victory. A sixteen to three would
• 20:06
  have been a fine. We've still been critical, but you know, the
• 20:10
  loss really really does hurt. And moving forward, it's gonna against the divisional
• 20:15
  opponent, the Kryptonite Zach Wilson good last year in the Metal Lands, they
• 20:18
  take them good, the Kryptonite rypt I mean DT. You know, listen.
• 20:26
  One thing that it's funny that we had del red on tonight because one
• 20:30
  thing that I've learned about the Mafia DT is that they are we are very
• 20:33
  defensive, you know what I mean of our guys, and we're very kind
• 20:37
  of you know, we kind of shelter and protect them, and I understand
• 20:40
  that that whole Moniker. One thing that the Mafia is made very clear is
• 20:44
  that you know, they don't like when you talk ill about Josh Allen and
• 20:47
  they and they'll go at anybody's neck. They'll go again, you know,
• 20:49
  Dolphins, any any other fan base. But The problem is that they also
• 20:52
  come at your neck, even if you're a part of the mafia and you're
• 20:56
  we're fellow members. Listen. I don't think that there's anything wrong with being
• 21:00
  critical of Josh Allen. And you've talked about it just to start two hundred
• 21:03
  and fifty million dollars one hundred and fifty guaranteed, so there's a level of
• 21:07
  accountability that comes with that. So because of that, I don't think that
• 21:11
  there's anything wrong with being critical of his play. Sometimes that makes people uncomfortable.
• 21:15
  Sometimes that makes people kind of squirm a little bit, but that doesn't
• 21:18
  bother me. I don't care that you'd get uncomfortable or that I said that
• 21:22
  he played shitty and that bothers you. Listen. I call a spade a
• 21:26
  spade. A part of this product, you know, the podcast and the
• 21:27
  actual platform was for me to actually get my stuff out there and be real.
• 21:30
  I can't be fake. I can't be in authentic because that's just not
• 21:33
  me. So I've got to keep it real DT. I named the episode
• 21:40
  the way that I did because I'm wondering if the sugar Hi Josh Allen is
• 21:42
  coming back, and I know that people want to say, well, don't
• 21:45
  be too hyperbolic. It goes back to last year, DT, right around
• 21:51
  that mid season. We talked about it on this show at nauseum about something's
• 21:53
  different. It's a little bit harder. I've got my theories on what's going
• 21:57
  on about it, But DT, I don't think that there's any way that
• 22:02
  you can combine Cincinnati game with this game and not be a little at least
• 22:07
  a little bit worried about your quarterback and worried about the direction that we're going
• 22:10
  in and say that everything is over with. I haven't said that we're not
• 22:12
  going to win the Super Bowl, that I hope that we win, but
• 22:15
  boy, this this sugar hi Josh Allen thing. I thought we were past
• 22:18
  this ship, to be honest, and I'm no, I'm starting to get
• 22:22
  worried again. I mean, and dan Orlosky really broke it down the other
• 22:26
  day so well and said it's time to grow up, and it made it
• 22:27
  set chills up my spot. I'm like, we had an entire episode about
• 22:30
  it's time to grow up and we were talking to the fan base. This
• 22:33
  is different, man, this is the quarterback, Like you said, two
• 22:36
  hundred fifty million dollars. This is this is the guy. If he can't
• 22:38
  get it together or he continues to think that he has to put on this
• 22:42
  cape, this could spell this could spell problems man for us this season.
• 22:45
  And we've got big things that we're trying to get accomplished this year. Well,
• 22:48
  the biggest argument against last the way things ended with the Cincinnati game was
• 22:53
  all right, offseason, let's regroup, let's roll or get back going.
• 22:57
  They went through a lot gets the Jets went through a lot all this bs,
• 23:03
  let's go, let's ball out again, and you know, like Black
• 23:04
  Madden cover the whole deal, like, well, regroup and get it done.
• 23:08
  And then the first chapter and the regroup and get it done is the
• 23:12
  worst we've ever seen. This is worse than probably the Texan sugar High because
• 23:18
  literally career high turnovers at four, you know, which we can break down
• 23:22
  those turnovers, won't you know, we won't go four turnovers this four turnovers
• 23:27
  and a loss is a loss. And scoring sixteen points is not gonna win
• 23:32
  a lot of games in the NFL. Scoring sixteen points turning the ball over
• 23:34
  four times, you're not gonna win, you know, realistically. And that
• 23:38
  was that was a proof even though the Jets do have a good roster and
• 23:41
  good team, but this was the chapter we were looking for the regroup for
• 23:45
  the reset, and it was probably the worst. It was completely opposite in
• 23:48
  the other directions. So so I understand the hesitant, I understand the kind
• 23:53
  of dark cloud over it, you know, but I'm going to be the
• 23:57
  cliche, you know, I'll overreact after week two and three. I'm not
• 24:02
  over reaction about week one. There's a lot of things that go back and
• 24:04
  you can you can stack up and say, well, this is consistent.
• 24:07
  This is the problem. Josh said it in his press conference. Same shit.
• 24:11
  He literally said, same shit, like yeah, so that you know
• 24:15
  there there's there's rightfulness to be concerned and that's not acceptable at all of what
• 24:19
  we saw on Monday night. You know, as we get as we break
• 24:22
  down the game a little more, I think I have some reasoning where I
• 24:26
  kind of go into and say, why I don't think it's as big a
• 24:30
  deal as I think you're saying to it. Because one of the things,
• 24:33
  one of the things that bothers me about and you just hit on it just
• 24:37
  at the end DT, is that just because he says that he understands,
• 24:40
  and he talks about that he understands. Does it Actions speak louder than words,
• 24:44
  So I need you to actually follow up with what you're saying. Yeah,
• 24:47
  all the season I've heard was how focused you are, and I'm so
• 24:51
  focused and I'm so focused on football and blah blah blah. And we talked
• 24:53
  about it, because you even talked about like, wow, that was a
• 24:56
  weird press conference that when Steph, you know, stephnis got back and he's
• 25:00
  tell my love and You're like, yeah, that's kind of weird, like
• 25:03
  because we already know that you love him, so why are you talking like
• 25:04
  that? So like all of the stuff is just a little bit odd to
• 25:07
  be and I've got my theories, but you break it down, man,
• 25:10
  I mean, for three interceptions, the fumble, you know it was,
• 25:14
  it was a bad game. And just to talk sometimes is following on deaf
• 25:17
  ears because I it's just like with my kids, man, I could tell
• 25:21
  them, but I have to watch what they're doing because you know, they
• 25:22
  could say anything to me. But I've got to see what your actions are
• 25:26
  lining up with your words before I'll trust you. And Josh has been good
• 25:29
  since literally he was a rookie at the talking part. You know, you're
• 25:33
  talking get the city behind him, and you know, and work out,
• 25:36
  but he has the city behind him for a reason. You know, you
• 25:38
  don't get it. Well, I might eat my words here, but you
• 25:41
  don't get on the cover of Man with on a fluke, even though there
• 25:45
  was a few flukes. But but since he's been in the league, right
• 25:52
  and we're thirteen and three. Last year the one of the best playoff of
• 25:56
  performances we've ever seen the year before that, and you know, great run
• 26:00
  to the FC Championship the year before that. So this dude isn't you know,
• 26:03
  it's not a He's not a fluke. And I don't think we have
• 26:07
  to argue that on Nickel City Crew. I don't think you think that.
• 26:08
  I don't think Nickeol City Crew thinks that at all. So I'm not saying
• 26:12
  it's an argument of him being a fluke or not. And he's back and
• 26:15
  whatever. But you have to, you know, the good has to weigh
• 26:19
  outweigh the bad. And we've been through a lot of bullshit, Rob You
• 26:22
  know that, the drought and everything. We know it more than anybody,
• 26:26
  but you know it is so are we lucky enough to have a perfect guy.
• 26:30
  Probably not who does have a perfect guy? Probably one team. Arguably
• 26:37
  maybe it's one five. I'm not gonna sit here on record and say it
• 26:40
  is one five. But other than one five, would rather have straight up
• 26:44
  all this. We can be critical, we can talk shit, we can
• 26:47
  we are that's our job right now on Nicol crew to be critical. One
• 26:49
  seven and what he did Monday night, because he did lose at if butts
• 26:56
  about that, But who looked me in the eyes? And who else would
• 26:59
  you rather have? Then one seven? Possibly some people may say one five
• 27:03
  because he has the accolades now and and he's in his earn bows. But
• 27:06
  who else would you have a rab in the entire world? Then one seven?
• 27:08
  And I think that's what you really got to dig down and get to,
• 27:11
  because yeah, there's the sugar high is gonna come out. The imperfections
• 27:15
  are gonna come out, but the good outweighs the bad for the last you
• 27:18
  know, four years we fell in love, and the world and the city
• 27:22
  has fallen in love. Bill's mafia has literally made this dude Elvis then something
• 27:26
  like darn near close to Jesus himself, you know. So it's it's that's
• 27:33
  the vibe. We have to vibe on it and it's not a fluke.
• 27:36
  And the stats show that and that the things have shown that. It's It's
• 27:40
  got gotten to me a little bit talking this week about you know, all
• 27:44
  the running less and the and chucking it up and doing that, Like,
• 27:47
  yes, he did all that Monday. He made horrible decisions and did all
• 27:49
  that. But I think the NFL is a flow game. There's a flow
• 27:52
  of a game, there's a flow of a series, there's a flow of
• 27:56
  the team. And there was a lot more going on, I think Monday
• 27:59
  than just Josh being sucked like he did suck straight We're going on talk to
• 28:03
  me. So let's just being in that stadium with that energy, Aaron Rodgers
• 28:11
  coming in being then it's gonna be a battle of division rival battle between you
• 28:17
  know, Rogers, Rogers and Allen. It's the start of a new new
• 28:19
  rivalry coming in nine to eleven. Rodgers is coming out with the flag like
• 28:23
  I'm literally crying in the stadium, like Robert, this is this is big
• 28:27
  time in all different levels. Rodgers goes out. It literally was like you
• 28:33
  can hear that place. They're just out and then so the game plan changes
• 28:40
  from like, all right, heavyweight battle, We're going in throw them with
• 28:44
  these dudes too. All right, Rogers is out. We gotta finish him.
• 28:47
  We gotta finish him quick, we gotta finish him. And then this
• 28:51
  great Jets defense did not let Josh Allen finish him, did not let Josh
• 28:56
  Allen and the boys finish him, and he made bad decisions and they worked
• 28:59
  into it and they didn't let him finish. And so when it gave time
• 29:03
  to like, oh shit, we're not able to finish these dudes, it
• 29:07
  kind of turned into a little bit of a panic and a little bit of
• 29:08
  off the rails and a little bit of sugar hi Josh, if you will.
• 29:11
  So I think they were bathing him, though, I think they were
• 29:15
  bathing him, and and and one in one word that I keep hearing all
• 29:18
  week DT you know, you know, I'm an avid WGR listening. I
• 29:22
  keep hearing boring, and different guests keep coming on and talking about boring.
• 29:26
  And he's got you know, does Josh Allen have a problem with boring?
• 29:29
  Because listen, the number one, the number one thing for the quarterback is
• 29:33
  to protect the football. And then number two after that is to help your
• 29:37
  team win. Eighty four turnovers DT since he entered the league. Now,
• 29:41
  you can slice it any kind of way you want, and you could put
• 29:45
  Bill's Mafia frosting on it and different things like that. And I understand that
• 29:48
  we love the guy, and I understand everything that you spoke about how much
• 29:52
  he's he's revered in the city. Eighty four turnovers since twenty eighteen is a
• 29:56
  lot of turnovers. Now, I think that everybody in the Mafia, everybody
• 29:59
  Nicholson true, can agree that that's a lot and that down. Yeah,
• 30:03
  if you bumped that down to sixty to fifty, you could have a strong
• 30:07
  argument that, you know, we might have a superfinger, we might sup
• 30:10
  yet that's valid. So listen. I keep hearing about boring DT, and
• 30:15
  what I was wondering is that what is it? Is there something that you're
• 30:18
  able to pinpoint because I don't know if it matters if you're at the game
• 30:22
  or if you're watching on TV. But there was a look on Josh Allen's
• 30:26
  face where it was almost like he was like the deer in the headlights.
• 30:29
  It was very eerily similar of Houston of the Game of with Houston and That's
• 30:33
  why I named the episode the way that I did, because of the fact
• 30:36
  that I'm wondering if does he get bored with the game plan? Does he
• 30:40
  get there's almost there's a bravado about him, and again that's why he's on
• 30:45
  the cover. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm I'm going through a
• 30:48
  dichotomy basically right now. I recognize what got him on the Matten cover.
• 30:52
  I recognize what has gotten him to superstar status. So you can't new to
• 30:56
  the guy and say, hey, don't run anymore, but you can death
• 31:00
  tell him to be smart and don't dive over a linebacker when you're definitely not
• 31:03
  gonna get the first down and it's third, you know, it's whatever in
• 31:06
  eleven and you're you're just taking a hit for no reason, like you saw
• 31:08
  Sean mcgarbett saying be smart, and he's not. He's not listening to that
• 31:11
  shit. So I'm trying to figure out as a bravado is that I'm the
• 31:15
  man and I can do anything and I am superman or is it just that
• 31:21
  he just literally has brain farts on the field, Because he hasn't really shown
• 31:23
  us a lot of that since the Houston game. Eighty four turnovers is a
• 31:26
  lot, but sometimes it's just football. They actually said on WGR he's only
• 31:30
  played three clean games last year out of all the games, and that's what
• 31:33
  no picks and no fumbles, so clearly up you know, you know what
• 31:37
  I mean. He's gonna exactly so that's a part of him. He's gonna
• 31:41
  put the ball on the ground, He's gonna throw some picks. Sometimes he
• 31:44
  might have a fumble. Sometimes I'm willing to accept all of that. What
• 31:47
  I don't want to what I'm not willing to accept, excuse me, DT
• 31:49
  is a blatant disregard for situations and moments. We didn't have to have,
• 31:52
  hey makers, we didn't have to go up against Aaron Rodgers. What Zach
• 31:56
  Wilson comes in the game. Just parked the car in the garage. That's
• 31:59
  all I need you to do. And he's he's acting crazy. He was
• 32:02
  acting like sugar high Josh Allen and throwing the ball and going for the gut
• 32:07
  sEH. And I just I just don't know if that's the right thing.
• 32:09
  And I'm also more worried is is anything that we can turn off on him?
• 32:14
  And I'm I'm I'm at a loss for that. I don't know if
• 32:15
  we can turn it off. It's got to be something with growth, because,
• 32:19
  like you just said, an eighty four turnovers thirteen and three last year
• 32:22
  not as a successful record season, but uh, you know, an incline
• 32:27
  of the best football we've seen the year before that. So he's not having
• 32:30
  the consequences, you know, with these losses. You know, with the
• 32:34
  with the you know, the the Jets game last year, it wasn't necessarily
• 32:37
  the worst Josh Allen game we've ever seen. The Vikings game kind of had
• 32:43
  a little bit of that to it, and when it come down the stretch
• 32:45
  into overtime, you know that that dumb pick, you know whatever. But
• 32:49
  its these these bad games aren't resulting in losses, you know. It's my
• 32:55
  point. So he might not necessarily be learning from these as quick as he
• 33:00
  should be because he's not. They're not translating to else. Now, quick
• 33:04
  news flash, here we go. There. It's it's a quick el early
• 33:07
  on when all the spotlights are on you, when everything's on you, and
• 33:12
  you know, so we can hope that translates to him, like shit,
• 33:15
  Okay, this is like I literally have to learn from this and maybe him
• 33:19
  not losing those games previously because of this other than you know, when he
• 33:22
  was a young playoff guy in Houston and everything like that. Because the playoffs
• 33:25
  last year wasn't him turning the ball over as much. There was a lot
• 33:29
  of other things going on in that one, and then the year before that
• 33:31
  definitely wasn't his fault, you know, So the big games haven't been his
• 33:37
  fault. I would consider Monday night a pretty pretty dawn big game. I
• 33:39
  mean, even though it's there's a lot of seasons, you know, there's
• 33:43
  their own one. You you gotta you gotta win that game, especially after
• 33:45
  the Chiefs and the Bengals and me or whatever you want to say, you
• 33:50
  gotta win that game. So I don't think he's felt the consequences of this
• 33:52
  carelessness. Even with eighty four turnovers, he hasn't felt the consequences this.
• 33:58
  Hopefully does that come down to coaching then, because you know, I've heard
• 34:04
  different rhetorics, and I don't think that he's you know, he's belligerent or
• 34:07
  anything like that. I literally, I'm starting to literally think that he either
• 34:12
  can't turn it off or it's like it's so hard to explain. But it's
• 34:16
  like his his fucket factor is very high, like, and he'll go to
• 34:21
  that sometimes. And that's the problem that I think that I have with it,
• 34:24
  is that sometimes he'll just nah and then he'll just do whatever, and
• 34:28
  like I need him to kind of rein it in and understand like time and
• 34:30
  place and what's going on in the game. I'm not saying that he's sugar
• 34:34
  high Josh all the time, but what I'm trying to say is that his
• 34:37
  his forget it, I'm just gonna do it myself factor is very high.
• 34:42
  And I'm wondering if it's because he had to do so much last year,
• 34:45
  So is he already now carrying bad habits where he can't even turn off the
• 34:50
  fact that I do have weapons, I do have guys that are over I
• 34:52
  mean, we could break down every pick if you want to. We've got
• 34:54
  the All twenty two and I you know, I've I've heard a lot of
• 34:58
  conjecture and Gabe Davis didn't run nice route on one and then other people said
• 35:00
  we shouldn't even throw the ball his way anyway, you know, so everybody's
• 35:04
  got an opinion. I'm wondering if he can if he can understands time and
• 35:07
  situation, if he understands risk reward, and sometimes I'm not sure if he's
• 35:12
  calculating it correctly, which obviously leads to either coaching or it's something that's internal
• 35:17
  in him that that will never. It'll never You'll always be Brett five type
• 35:21
  of thing. And like, if that's the shase, then green Bay,
• 35:22
  you know, we should be like green Bay Packers fans back in the day,
• 35:24
  just buckle up, because yeah, right, like right, you don't
• 35:30
  like that's how they had to live their lives every Sunday. They knew Brett
• 35:34
  five was gonna throw two or pick two or three picks. But they knew
• 35:37
  that they had Brett five. So they've got a chance to win. Yeah,
• 35:39
  so they got a chance to win it. So I'm wondering, you
• 35:43
  know, I'm not I'm not going all in on that yet. I mean,
• 35:45
  if it gets to that point, you know, it is what it
• 35:46
  is, it's better than the drought, so whatever, But I'm not there
• 35:52
  yet. I'm not there yet, And I mean, is this a you
• 35:53
  know, is this a consequence almost him lashing out as we talked to the
• 35:58
  season started Gangbusters year. They look so good and if they talked after that
• 36:01
  bye week, it kind of got a little, it got harder. There
• 36:04
  was no easy layoffs. There was nothing easy. And is it similar to
• 36:07
  that now coming into this year and Josh is kind of lashing out, like,
• 36:12
  all right, this is this is this is too boring, this is
• 36:15
  too where. This isn't the offense we're used to where I'm the most dynamic,
• 36:17
  and so I'm gonna start hawking it down the field and not throwing picks
• 36:21
  on purpose or anything like that, but just like shit, I'm I'm gonna
• 36:24
  launch it because it's not in the game plan, and this is this is
• 36:28
  where you want me to be. I want to be dynamic. I want
• 36:30
  to be launching it. And that's not a good forget it. He's got
• 36:37
  a high it's a high factor for him sometimes yeah, yeah, it's it's
• 36:42
  it's it's interesting. Go ahead, go ahead these please, I'm having a
• 36:45
  tough time. I think super fair to be critical, super fair to be
• 36:50
  critical. It's on him, but it's always been like that. It's not
• 36:52
  like he's just been We want him to take control, we want him to
• 36:55
  be the alpha, and then he does and it's not working our way.
• 37:00
  Monday night, and it's like, oh Josh, you're being like you're playing
• 37:04
  hero ball. You're you know, you're doing this, and so it's somewhat
• 37:07
  stupid. Man. I yelled at my TV DT when he's on the sideline
• 37:09
  he needs tries to gain an extra yard and it's the first quarter of the
• 37:13
  first game. Why are you getting smack? I yelled at my TV,
• 37:15
  like, just get out of bounds, Like why you Sometimes I feel like
• 37:19
  he's flexing, or sometimes I feel like he's he's trying to show Hurtle.
• 37:23
  Yeah, wants the next hurdle to be, Oh, Josh Allen Hurtle because
• 37:27
  he knows the reception the mafia will give him for that. But you can't
• 37:30
  play to that though, DT, you can't you understand what I can't.
• 37:36
  I can't have you making decisions because you want to make another poster or you
• 37:40
  want to go above Alan Street. Oh you know what I mean? And
• 37:44
  like I can't have that. I don't I don't need that, Like that's
• 37:45
  not that's not part of your job description. Your job description is not to
• 37:49
  jump over linebackers and corners. Now, it was cool and how many people
• 37:52
  have it in their man caves. Yes, we've always we've talked about that
• 37:55
  at the beginning, Like, you know, Josh gave us another highlight.
• 37:58
  He gave us another man came poster, another woman k posted like, I
• 38:01
  get it. I don't want you thinking about that ship though, when you're
• 38:05
  stepping on the field. I want you thinking about doing your job. You've
• 38:07
  got a game script, you've got different things that you want to get accomplished.
• 38:10
  Your OC wants to get accomplished. We're gonna talk about the OC here
• 38:13
  in a minute. It's just I'm I'm worried about the fact that his his
• 38:16
  fIF his fucking factor is so high that I don't know if he's able to
• 38:22
  turn it off. And I'm not trying to play both sides. I know
• 38:24
  what you're trying to say. I just he does make mistakes. I'm not
• 38:28
  trying to track him. But it's like some of the stuff he does just
• 38:30
  like, what are you doing? Man? So let's let's say let's say
• 38:34
  he is doing that shit right, he is saying, oh, I want
• 38:37
  to be on the next poster. This is why they love me, this
• 38:39
  is why Buffalo loves Let's I'm not I don't agree with that, but let's
• 38:43
  say he is doing that, Okay, well hopefully this last Tuesday, Wednesday
• 38:46
  and tomorrow is checking him off on that because nobody everybody's on the gass now,
• 38:53
  you know, everybody's oh what are you doing? You know? So
• 38:58
  yeah, I hope that kind of clicks, like oh damn, like the
• 39:01
  mafia actually doesn't want me to do all that shit. Like if I win,
• 39:05
  it's cool. But if I do that shit and we lose, you
• 39:07
  know, I'm a look like a It looks like a before when you were
• 39:12
  jumping over guys with your eleven seven yards from the first downmarket, you're just
• 39:15
  taking it for no reason. Now as we as we continue and you know,
• 39:19
  we'll begin to wrap up a little bit. But I still got some
• 39:21
  stuffing off my chest. And we talked about coaching DT and I'm interested because
• 39:24
  you already know that I you know, I love Dable and I thought that
• 39:29
  we, you know, fired the wrong coach. I'd rather have an offensive
• 39:30
  coach, and YadA, YadA, YadA. Now that I was premature on
• 39:34
  that, you know what I mean, nobody's been calling for Sean mcdermot's job
• 39:36
  or anything like that here at Nickel City Crew. However, you all know
• 39:39
  my disdain for, you know, for the choice that they made. Listen,
• 39:44
  man, it's almost it's almost like it's almost like the other analysis I
• 39:49
  made the last time, like that the parents are out of the house and
• 39:51
  they left you the credit card and you're going buck wild on the credit card
• 39:54
  and they can see everything that you're spending and they're like, why is why
• 39:58
  is that? Why is DT at home? And he he's buying this,
• 40:00
  buy this, any buy this? Like we said that you're supposed to use
• 40:04
  it for food and if you need some transportation, and you are, you're
• 40:07
  buying everything. Listen. Dab Dabel had an accountabilit He had some type of
• 40:13
  relationship. I don't know if their personal relationship or anything like that. I
• 40:15
  know he's a buffalo kid. But he had his ear how about that?
• 40:17
  And he had Josh's respect. One of the things I've always been worried about
• 40:21
  with Dorsey is that they're so close, and that's gonna lead to my wrap
• 40:24
  up. But you know, they're close and they're boys and stuff like that,
• 40:27
  and I don't I don't know if it's almost a peer relationship and I
• 40:31
  don't need him to be a parent or anything like that. I'm talking about
• 40:35
  I want you to respect your coaches and look at them as coaches. I'm
• 40:37
  sure he looks at Seal McDermott totally different than he looks at you know,
• 40:40
  Ken Dorsey get closer in age. They both played quarterback, YadA, YadA.
• 40:45
  There's a lot of different comparisons and similarities. I don't know if he
• 40:49
  listens to Dorsey the way that he did Dabele or and or you know,
• 40:54
  maybe this Dorsey's not as good as a job as Dabel was because Dabel had
• 40:58
  his ear and this ship he cut out quick and he would get on Josh
• 41:01
  and he would shoot out Josh and all. And maybe you know, Josh
• 41:05
  isn't He was in a different point of his career maturity wise, and he's
• 41:07
  coming up through the ranks. You know, twenty twenty had just happened when
• 41:10
  he really, you know, hits that meteoric rides. But it's different.
• 41:15
  I don't It's like, is Ken Dorset his boy? And that's why he
• 41:19
  Okay, all right, all right, Ken, yep, Like okay,
• 41:21
  I hear you, I hear you, as opposed to you know, you
• 41:23
  know Dable, who he respected in that way. Well, you just said
• 41:28
  it. And when he when you know, Dable was on the come up
• 41:31
  with and Josh was on the column. Josh was learning Josh's nobody. Josh
• 41:36
  was a you know, no, no, yeah, he's still he was
• 41:39
  still doing first round. Every everyone talks shit, the bills wasted to pick
• 41:46
  on him, and everything comes up. Builds with Dable, builds gets good,
• 41:52
  makes that run you know, is electric in every avenue, kind of
• 41:54
  gets a little taste of what he could be. He leaves, and I
• 41:59
  think Josh kind of has that's that on his shoulders of Okay, like I'm
• 42:04
  him now, like I have to be that guy at all times. At
• 42:07
  Dabele coming in probably a little more not as you know, matter of fact,
• 42:12
  a little more Hey, let's talk about this together. Let's do this
• 42:14
  together. And and that could have possibly led to Josh kind of not disrespecting
• 42:20
  him in any way, but you know, a completely different mindset of I
• 42:22
  need to do everything to be a superstar and winning a championship for Buffalo.
• 42:29
  Dabele has the has the blueprint, has the mindset too. I know I
• 42:32
  can do this. Shit, Dorsey, Let's see what you got. I
• 42:36
  believe in you. But you know, it's not so much like I need
• 42:39
  you anymore. It's I got this called the plays as opposed to I need
• 42:44
  dabele get me big. So that that's just the progression of anybody, but
• 42:49
  it's something great has to has to ride and develop like that. That was
• 42:52
  the story of any great ever. I mean, Tom Brady, I'm sure
• 42:54
  the same thing happened. Maybe not proces so, but but when you becoming
• 43:01
  sure, you have to also take that maturity to another level of you know,
• 43:07
  of listening to coach. So it might be both of those things.
• 43:09
  It might be Josh kind of you know, taking the he learned how to
• 43:13
  drive a Dable now he's now he's now he's drifting in the Framaro around the
• 43:16
  corner and endorsing. Might just not not have as nice a car as Dable
• 43:22
  did. So it could be a little bold. Okay, yeah, I
• 43:24
  can respect I can respect that, you know what I mean, I can
• 43:27
  respect that. It might be a little bit of both, you know,
• 43:29
  and I'm I'm I'm wondering about it now. You know, as we begin
• 43:31
  to wrap up, you know, there's it's a situation where you know,
• 43:35
  I know that it makes you know some people you know, uncomfortable. But
• 43:38
  like I watched, you know, the Quarterback one of the things that I
• 43:42
  took from the Quarterback DT one of the biggest things that I took from that
• 43:45
  with with Mahomes, specifically with one five that you talked about earlier the show
• 43:50
  one of the and again and I prefaced this knowing it's a production. I
• 43:53
  understand Hard Knocks is a production, and YadA, YadA, YadA. They're
• 43:57
  showing you the things that they want to show you, and they're showing you
• 43:59
  the best they that they can to get ratings, and yadadada YadA. However,
• 44:01
  however, what the biggest thing I took away from the Quarterback Series with
• 44:07
  with Mahomes was that he cares DT. Now let me explain before you know,
• 44:15
  I know exactly how the boy is. I can see the vain popping
• 44:19
  out of your your forehead right now or getting ready to listen. It's it's
• 44:22
  interesting because I know that Josh. I'm not saying that he doesn't care anything
• 44:28
  like that. However, there is a level of preparedness. There's a level
• 44:31
  of just a level of just preparation in general. Like I want my starting
• 44:37
  quarterback and this is me, this is my my rosy view. I want
• 44:40
  my starting quarterback to be obsessed with football. I want him to be like
• 44:44
  Jordan, like Kobe. Kobe was obsessed. Doesn't mean he's not a family
• 44:46
  man, doesn't mean he didn't care about his kids. You know, he's
• 44:49
  still he carved out of time and he you know, he compartmentalized his time.
• 44:52
  However, the number one and most important thing when they work with their
• 44:55
  family was their craft. And Mahomes strikes me that I don't know obviously everything
• 45:00
  that this behind the scenes or anything like that. With Mahomes, however,
• 45:04
  it was clear to see that football was very important to him, even after
• 45:07
  the success of winning a Super Bowl, and then in addition to it,
• 45:10
  he wanted more. Josh hasn't gotten to the same levels as as Mahomes has.
• 45:15
  He hasn't even gotten to the same levels as Burrow has by even representing
• 45:19
  the conference in the Super Bowl. What I'm wondering from you, DT,
• 45:22
  is is there any chance Because I listened to I think it was one Bills
• 45:25
  Live and they had on Jordan Palmer that's his for Bill's Bofia Nickels City.
• 45:29
  The crew don't know that's his quarterback. Coach he works with him throughout the
• 45:31
  off season and they're really really tight. And on one Bills Live, they
• 45:36
  had Jordan Palmer on for an interview and he talks about he's promoting his podcast.
• 45:38
  They got this podcast, the Quarterback Room qb Room. Check it out.
• 45:43
  Josh Allen was on the last episode and he says, you should watch
• 45:45
  it too, because then you know, YadA, YadA YadA. I only
• 45:49
  watched it DT because I wanted to see Josh was right before the season when
• 45:52
  I watched it, and I wanted to see him. This dude loves golf
• 45:55
  a lot. Not saying that he can't have any other I'm not. I'm
• 46:00
  I am tiptoeing. I am doing the best job I can right now.
• 46:05
  Nickel City Crew bills mofya to paint this the right way. He loves golf
• 46:08
  a lot. Like he loves it a lot. It's important to him.
• 46:13
  That's fine. He can have interests outside of football. But when I look
• 46:15
  at him, and I was watching that interview, and then he said something
• 46:19
  that struck me. He said that he was the best athlete on the planet.
• 46:22
  He thought, and you want that, you know what I mean to
• 46:24
  be a professional athlete you've got to have bravado. You won't make it in
• 46:28
  that league. You'll they'll chew you up and spit you out if you don't
• 46:30
  have confidence, if you don't believe in yourself. So I like that dog
• 46:32
  that he thinks that he's the man. But I think that there's a cocktail
• 46:37
  mix that comes together where it could it could be it can be deadly to
• 46:40
  our super bowls. He thinks he's the man. Okay, he are.
• 46:44
  You know, I'm the man. Loves the golf. So I don't know
• 46:46
  how much you're doing. You know, in the off season Madden cover,
• 46:50
  he's got the new actress and you know, we'll keep all the other stuff
• 46:53
  and I'll leave all the other stuff out. But you know, he's got
• 46:57
  a lot going on in his personal life. Will just say that to say
• 46:59
  the least, I mean, talk to me, DT, you know what
• 47:04
  I'm trying to say, And I just want you to talk to me because
• 47:06
  of the fact that when again I'm not saying Mahomes loves football more than Josh
• 47:09
  Allen, but what I am saying is that it's very clear to see that
• 47:13
  it's very important to him. Sometimes I'm not sure how important it is,
• 47:16
  and again I'm leaving it with the caveat that I don't follow Josh Allen around.
• 47:21
  I'm not a fly on the wall, so I don't know. I
• 47:22
  don't know, But boy, I wonder about some of that shit. I
• 47:25
  really do. I did. I watched the entire like forty minutes I watched
• 47:30
  it. I mean, they must have talked about golf and whiskey half to
• 47:31
  day. And that's fine. You can he can drink his whiskey and he's
• 47:35
  a grown man. He can go golf and he wants to golf one hundred
• 47:37
  courses, the top one hundred courses in the world. But like he was
• 47:42
  like naming him and he knows him, and like, I want you to
• 47:45
  know your craft, lad, and I say, you don't know cover two
• 47:46
  shell like that. But I'm just trying to say that I'm sometimes concerned about
• 47:52
  how much does this mean to him? And that and that I say that
• 47:54
  full full knowing I've got the Madden cover right behind me. I enjoy his
• 47:59
  success just like every other Bills bo Fia member does. Well, I'm the
• 48:02
  one end rob. Yes, that's that's tough, because you know, you
• 48:07
  you don't want your dude to be a robot you want your dude to be.
• 48:10
  And when you become a superstar in this league, you've got to be
• 48:14
  in the public eye like that. You've got to be in the commercials.
• 48:16
  You gotta be. Out of the celebrity golf tournament, you gotta be you
• 48:20
  know, you gotta be that celebrity that you know, that that point guard
• 48:22
  of life. You have to be there. Mahomes and those cats are right
• 48:27
  there with him at all those tournaments, at all those things. But I
• 48:30
  do get what you're saying. And when success doesn't come from that, it's
• 48:36
  easy to kind of lean back and say, oh, maybe he likes to
• 48:38
  you don't have too much fun. He likes to golf too much. He
• 48:40
  likes to do this too much. That was a good point you said in
• 48:44
  the Netflix series Rob on the Quarterback, because Mahomes has had the success and
• 48:49
  he's still and wants it more and wants more and needs that. And we
• 48:54
  kind of talked earlier about Josh having that success to become a superstar but doesn't
• 48:59
  have and he accolades for it, and is that, you know, is
• 49:02
  that what's kind of getting into his head and that bravado and like yo I'm
• 49:06
  good enough. I'm on the cover of mat and like, I'm all this
• 49:08
  stuff to be a superstar in this league and be and be great. But
• 49:15
  he hasn't won anything yet, right, So Mahomes, can you know,
• 49:16
  do all that and win the bowls and do whatever you need? But at
• 49:21
  the in the in the other hand, he still wants more, and we
• 49:23
  see that he need wants more. Josh can say it in the press conference,
• 49:28
  he can say it is he's focused on football. A super Bowl to
• 49:30
  Buffalo literally means everything to him. He said that multiple times. But then
• 49:35
  you know, we see him in the off season playing golf, dat and
• 49:37
  Hailey Stein but whatever the case is, and then losing Week one in horrible
• 49:42
  fashion. So I think you got a point, Rob. I mean,
• 49:46
  I'm not trying to is it is it? Is it? Or is it
• 49:52
  he's not good enough? You know that? Or he's not good enough or
• 49:55
  it's some of the stuff that we're talking about earlier. Yeah, some of
• 49:59
  the stuff that we talked about. So those are themes. I'm not gonna
• 50:01
  dismiss him. I thought tonight I was coming in a little more combative with
• 50:05
  you. I thought we would be fashion has a little more. This would
• 50:07
  be our first Nickel City crew of of really kind of going at each other
• 50:10
  of like nah, like so but no, those it's a good point.
• 50:15
  Now I'm like sitting here and listening to it thinking about it, like not
• 50:19
  blaming on that, but you see fifteen who does all that stuff too well?
• 50:23
  It gets the bulls and watch during the season, I'm like, what
• 50:28
  the what the guy is? He insane and it and it thought it made
• 50:31
  me think of Jordan. It made me think of Kobe and different things like
• 50:35
  that. And again I'm jo you know, Josh obviously coming back year after
• 50:40
  year looking a little bigger, looking a little that next, a little thicker,
• 50:44
  and you know, and he's the belt champion and all those preseason workouts
• 50:49
  they do and he's working the hardest, he's running the fastest. So like
• 50:52
  there is those but yeah, is he the dog in the in that weight
• 50:57
  room? That? Did you watch the swamp documentary Florida Gators one? They
• 51:01
  want to come out when they're like so basically Irban Meyer just ran that thing
• 51:05
  like a military camp basically, and so the dudes wouldn't could be going out
• 51:08
  and getting in trouble, you know, three four o'clock in the morning on
• 51:12
  a Saturday. Those would be the team workouts, like two am team workouts
• 51:15
  and they paint their faces and getting that weight room and you know, be
• 51:20
  slapping each other and like and doing like hard hard lifts. Is Josh Allen
• 51:23
  leading that charge in the weight room with those cats, We don't know,
• 51:28
  but that's I'm trying to listen. I'm trying to be I'm not even talking
• 51:31
  about you know, I'm just I'm just I'm trying to need he needs to
• 51:36
  level up and get those accolades. And then you know, the golf and
• 51:39
  the whiskey and everything is is cool, like, oh yeah, our quarterback
• 51:43
  sick and does this stuff because that's what mak Mahomes is doing right now,
• 51:46
  or or or be more you know, or be more private, you know
• 51:51
  what I mean. And I guess that that I guess that that's the balance,
• 51:52
  you know what I mean? Because exactly well, I don't want to
• 51:55
  hear about I don't hear about it. I don't want to hear about it.
• 51:59
  I don't want to hear about Hayley Stainfield. I don't want to hear
• 52:00
  about, you know, the drama with your ex girlfriend. I don't want
• 52:04
  to hear about, you know, rumblings in the city about what's going on
• 52:06
  with you last year. I don't want to hear about any of that.
• 52:07
  Let's let's keep everything a little bit tighter than If that's the case, I
• 52:10
  don't need you on the cover of Mad And then if it's distracting you from
• 52:15
  your job again, I don't know if it is. I don't know if
• 52:17
  it isn't. I'm not saying that I'm trying everybody. What we've been doing
• 52:21
  all week, We've been trying what the hell's wrong with Josh? On Monday
• 52:22
  night? Everybody, everybody's asking everybody the same thing. And I was thinking
• 52:25
  about it, just like all the other Bills Mafia members were, and I
• 52:30
  was wondering about different things and different reasons and different things that it could be.
• 52:34
  And one of my conclusions came because, listen, what did we do
• 52:36
  here on Nickel City Crew all summer and off season long? We defended fourteen?
• 52:40
  Why were we defending fourteen all offseason? Because everybody was trying to make
• 52:44
  him out to be some type of bad teammates, some type of pariah.
• 52:46
  We did a miseducation episode, literally letting everybody know, listen, this guy's
• 52:51
  getting ready to come back to work. Get off of his back because he's
• 52:52
  a great teammate. Then he comes back to work, everybody flips the fuck
• 52:55
  out because Sean McDermott sends him home. We didn't even have all the information
• 52:59
  till the next day. So what we do. We came back with another
• 53:01
  episode, said hey, okay, just chill. I'll be careful what you
• 53:04
  wish were because everybody wanted to kick him out of town. So I'm I
• 53:07
  invested a lot this offseason making sure that I got out the proper narratives,
• 53:12
  and I let everybody know, listen, Stefan Dix is a great guy,
• 53:15
  great teammate. What do we see on the sidelines on Monday night, DT,
• 53:17
  I know that you were at the game, but you've probably seeing that
• 53:20
  highlight. I tweeted it back out, you know, of him giving Josh
• 53:22
  the high ten and then letting him know like it's okay, like we're gonna
• 53:24
  get then, you know what I mean, He's keeping him encouraged. I
• 53:28
  think Stefan Diggs is so critically important to Josh Allen's success. He elevated Josh
• 53:32
  Allen with his play and he caught, he caught. He was a scapegoat
• 53:37
  for a lot of bs that had nothing to do with him. And I'm
• 53:38
  and it's almost like he's, you know, a personal babysitter in respects to
• 53:44
  on the field, not off the field. I don't know what you know
• 53:45
  how close they are off the fild. I'm talking about on the field.
• 53:47
  He's come on, man, come on. You know, like you're the
• 53:51
  quarterback. You're supposed to be rolling everybody else up. You're supposed to be
• 53:53
  staying positive, You're supposed to be having good body language, different things like
• 53:57
  that. And constantly Stefan Diggs is picking up seventeen. Not that he can't,
• 54:01
  but some like, you know, just like the Nulawski said he likes
• 54:05
  time to grow up? Man? Like what would he said? He had
• 54:07
  seven plays where he's like, what are you doing? Feet wrong? Eyes
• 54:08
  wrong? What? Like? What do you like time to grow up?
• 54:10
  Man? And I and I'm starting to wonder if it's you know, sometimes
• 54:15
  success comes and everybody's not ready for it. He is a superstar. You're
• 54:17
  absolutely right about that. DT. I would just really prefer them that I
• 54:22
  didn't know as much as I know about Josh Allen or or I don't see
• 54:24
  him as much or the podcast and everything else, because then it leaves you,
• 54:29
  you know, it leaves everybody open for interpretation or what what you're really
• 54:31
  doing. Because was it a bad thing when the Dallas Cowboys went on the
• 54:35
  vacation, you know, years ago, right before the playoffs? And is
• 54:37
  that why they lost to whoever they lost to? No, it's not.
• 54:40
  But if what we're talking about, but if the fans don't see it,
• 54:45
  then we don't even talk about it, and we're going to we're going to
• 54:46
  latch onto something after lost. It's a good point. It's a good point,
• 54:51
  and I'll leave it with we can hope that this is a this is
• 54:53
  an eye opener in before there they're you know, when these games have happened,
• 55:01
  they haven't had been at the highest stake or they haven't you know,
• 55:06
  they haven't been at the you know, the other than that playoff game,
• 55:08
  which but he was on the come up and that you know, we we
• 55:10
  were lucky to be in the playoffs there the ten and six and anything he
• 55:15
  did was right. So even if he did turn it over in the playoffs,
• 55:17
  like we didn't care, like it doesn't have the consequences as it does
• 55:22
  now, where all eyes are literally on him. Any breath you take is
• 55:27
  on you, and you pull shit like you did Monday night. It's gonna
• 55:30
  take a couple of weeks before people are you know, are saying some wild
• 55:35
  shit like paid him too early? You know this is he ever gonna be?
• 55:38
  Is you know, some stuff like that. So it's only gonna take
• 55:40
  a few weeks of that. So I hope he you know, this is
• 55:44
  a wake up call of realizing, like this is the show now you are
• 55:46
  the guy. You've done everything to be the Elvis, to be the guy,
• 55:51
  to be you know, in the linlight, everywhere else. So this
• 55:53
  has got to be This's got to be the wake up call. Mostly not
• 55:58
  gonna half point spread someday about to lie down, you know, Sunday.
• 56:01
  I can't wait for it. We'll wrap up tonight. You know it's gonna
• 56:06
  be interesting, you know. I mean, I don't. I hope that,
• 56:07
  you know, we don't lose it to my listeners or anything like that.
• 56:09
  I didn't, I haven't, I didn't say anything. I'm just I
• 56:14
  think I'm trying to I'm trying to point to different reasons and I'm pulling that
• 56:15
  straws. It's like everybody else that's trying to trying to figure it out.
• 56:19
  We are going to find out a lot DT on Sunday, and you're absolutely
• 56:22
  right about that. I'll leave on Saturday. I'll get up there. I'm
• 56:25
  gonna check you out and check out my best friend, you know, you
• 56:29
  know Ason, He's got his beautiful daughter, and I'm gonna check out some
• 56:30
  of my cousins and stuff like that, and then me and you will see
• 56:34
  each other Sunday morning. Man, how was it as we wrap up tonight?
• 56:37
  DT? Please give us some finel from that life staying and I know
• 56:39
  that the rain was crazy. We had planned to try to do a surprise
• 56:43
  YouTube lie for you guys. We were gonna try to come on for you
• 56:45
  know, fifteen twenty minutes and let DT take us around the parking lot a
• 56:50
  little bit, and then the storm literally put a kibosh on it because it
• 56:52
  was raining cats and dogs. Tell us about the experience, man, because
• 56:57
  we are really interested in hearing about what happened. Good. I'll tell you
• 57:00
  this. I a lot better than expected. A lot better than expected I'll
• 57:05
  give I'll give New York the Downstate, the all the kind of the qualms
• 57:10
  and pre negotiated ideas I've had in my head. They they proved me wrong
• 57:15
  a little bit. You know, everybody was pretty respectful. Everybody. It
• 57:19
  was a pretty chill vibe. I don't know if that's because you know,
• 57:22
  they have no faith in their team or what the case was, even when
• 57:25
  they had Rogers for the first five seconds, but it was a good vibe.
• 57:30
  We rolled in, took a party bust in there from New Jersey.
• 57:32
  As we rolled up, like you said that we have getting the alerts on
• 57:37
  our phone, shelter in place, you know, shelter in place, big
• 57:39
  big thunderstorm, rolling up, get in horrible rain, couldn't get the link
• 57:45
  loaded. Was trying to get other phones involved, couldn't get the link loaded.
• 57:49
  It kind of reminded when you try to like get up to in the
• 57:52
  stadium of the bills and you don't got service. Like once you're inside the
• 57:55
  stadium. It was that vibe. Outside of it, there were just a
• 57:59
  lot of heads, a lot out of service line around, you know,
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  a lot going on. People talk shit about the stadium itself, of it
• 58:04
  looking like an air conditioner. Once that rain passed and it was kind of
• 58:07
  like that red sky dust over it. It looked pretty sweet. Yeah,
• 58:13
  it looked pretty sweet. You know. Tailgate was all right, it's no
• 58:16
  you know, it's no grass loot, uh, you know, Big Ben
• 58:20
  DJ and Tailgate. But it was a good time. People were ready to
• 58:23
  go, and I was and I'm in. I was out there hyped up
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  as you know. I was out there. I've been waiting a long time
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  for this day, long time for the turn, and I was talking some
• 58:37
  shit. Was not so much touch to the Jets fans. Not so much
• 58:43
  to the Jets fans, you know, exactly going outs, getting people say
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  it's like, let's go, like you know, and my line, I
• 58:53
  ate my words quick was you know, seventeen about to bless these bitches.
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  That's what I just kept saying, over and over and over again, like
• 59:01
  seventeen gonna bless them? And he did. Obviously, I love it.
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  I love it. I love it. But you know, the crew I
• 59:10
  was with all Jets fans. I was literally on a bus of thirty people.
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  I was one bill saying, there's twenty nine Jets fans. I was.
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  I was not it was not swimming the gangway. Yeah, oh my
• 59:21
  god, there's gonna be something. The Bills people met us there that were
• 59:23
  sitting with us. They weren't on the bus though, so I was one
• 59:28
  nine Rob and so I was umfortable that that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 59:34
  that's conversial that they keep showing people displaced. It was almost like they
• 59:38
  like, I was like, uh, some of of a zoo animal,
• 59:42
  you know, like they were like, dude, Bill's mafia, Bill's Mafia,
• 59:45
  what's it like? Like you're Bill's You're die Hyde mafia, And I'm
• 59:49
  like, you're damn bro. I love it because you could see their faces
• 59:55
  in the background, like there's like some Jets fans in the background of the
• 59:59
  picture. And I will post that to borrow. I will post that so
• 1:00:01
  that goes along with this episode. And I put it out there on Thursday
• 1:00:05
  and they were looking at you like, oh my god, this is really
• 1:00:07
  what the man. Yeah, so I give it. I'll give it to
• 1:00:12
  the whole. It was better than I expected. We get into the game.
• 1:00:16
  That whole intro was amazing. Nine to eleven, the lights off.
• 1:00:21
  It was emotional. You know, everyone was crying and you felt the you
• 1:00:25
  know, the beautiful country we live in and you know that why we're free
• 1:00:29
  and why who we are, Like it felt good to kind of come together
• 1:00:32
  for for that moment, and you know, and the game starts and Rogers
• 1:00:37
  goes down and kind of the air comes out. But then, you know,
• 1:00:40
  obviously I'm still running my mouth. I'm like number two is my favorite
• 1:00:44
  player. I love Zach Wilson. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:49
  absolutely was coming on the way out. Was coming on the way out.
• 1:00:54
  You know, I kind of just put my head down and got to
• 1:00:57
  that bus as quick as I could. But it's nothing, nothing too crazy.
• 1:01:00
  But it was a good experience, good experience overall, good weekend,
• 1:01:06
  had some really good friends down there, and you know, overall obviously other
• 1:01:08
  than the loss ten out of ten, but man, I can't wait to
• 1:01:13
  be back back at home at home. Nothing like it's always fun going away,
• 1:01:17
  you know, and going on a trip with nothing like coming back and
• 1:01:20
  getting back in your own bed and coming back home. And we're about to
• 1:01:22
  get in our bed on Sunday's. Boy, boy boy, what a comforting
• 1:01:28
  feeling that will be Sunday one o'clock, which is now a rare occurrence for
• 1:01:30
  our popular Buffalo bills, our bills kicking off Las Vegas Raiders. They're coming
• 1:01:35
  across the country. I think they're already I heard on the WGR today already
• 1:01:38
  stayed out here. I heard in West Virginia somewhere hanging out to kind of
• 1:01:42
  cut down on the travel time and the lag and stuff like that on their
• 1:01:45
  body. So no problem, I mean, get acclimated all you want.
• 1:01:50
  You have never seen Bill's Mafia like this on opening opening Home Open. I
• 1:01:53
  mean like this, It's like a holiday DT and you already know that.
• 1:01:57
  So I'm excited for it. I know you're excited for it again. I
• 1:02:00
  will see you. I'll probably still see you Saturday. Man. I gotta
• 1:02:01
  catch up with anyway and give you a hug and then uh, and then
• 1:02:05
  we'll be out there before the before like we always talked about before the people,
• 1:02:07
  we're even ready to collect the money. We will be in the grass.
• 1:02:10
  Let's check us out. Anybody that hears this, you know, nicol
• 1:02:14
  City Crew Bills Mafia, always know that we will pin our location. Let
• 1:02:17
  you guys know, we do party right at the corner of California and Southwestern.
• 1:02:21
  It's actually directly in front of the stadium. Those grass loots that are
• 1:02:24
  privately owned. I mean we're out there. I mean we didn't joke around,
• 1:02:28
  big men. You know you heard them on Family Appreciation Week. We
• 1:02:30
  don't joke around. We are out there very very early to make sure that
• 1:02:34
  we're ready to go, get in our parking spots and uh and start to
• 1:02:37
  take in the festivity. So, DT, I appreciate you tonight. Man.
• 1:02:40
  You know, it's this was it was. It was better than I
• 1:02:44
  thought I had to get this stuff off. I thought I didn't fight tonight
• 1:02:47
  because I know that we've had some some you know, funny conversations through text
• 1:02:52
  message and stuff like that. But you know, I thought I kept it
• 1:02:53
  PG. I thought I did a good job. We played on the couch.
• 1:02:58
  We we let it out, we talked, we talked to the shrink
• 1:03:01
  and yeah, and we walked away a little better. I feel bad.
• 1:03:05
  I okay, I owe you. I'll go pay the lady at the front.
• 1:03:07
  You're right about that, DT. You said by the end of it,
• 1:03:09
  I would owe my feet and I will happily pay because I do feel
• 1:03:12
  better. Man. As always, please man shout out again. Dey'll read
• 1:03:15
  joining us at the beginning of the show. We really appreciate him again.
• 1:03:19
  We Yeah, that was really sweet. Man. Please go back listen to
• 1:03:22
  this episode if he didn't get a chance to hear him in the beginning.
• 1:03:24
  We are simulcasting each and every week on his podcast network. I'd be the
• 1:03:30
  Buffalo fan base. I love it, I love it, I love it,
• 1:03:31
  and we really appreciative. We already talked about twenty six shirts. So
• 1:03:35
  head over there, DT, man. We we wrapped up. We did
• 1:03:37
  everything were supposed to do tonight. Man, I mean, spread love not
• 1:03:40
  hate. These were my bills, thoughts, set out loud, hit him
• 1:03:43
  with it, God bills, DT. What I mean what we gotta holiday?
• 1:03:45
  We got a holiday to celebrate on Sunday. I'll be ready for the
• 1:03:47
  Holloway to start. Wait, wait to see it go and wait man,