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James Parker, Author of “Get Me Through the Next Five Minutes: Odes to Being Alive” – IT in the D 487 · IT in the D

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Guest this week. This is gonna be interesting
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1. I... I'm super excited about this. We
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have James Parker in the house, not your
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typical It and the d guest, but
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considering that how things are going in the
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world, we figured this would be
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a super timely to dive into him He
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is the staff writer at the Atlantic,
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He's a editor publisher at the Pi magazine
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dedicated to to to homeless people, and he
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is the author
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of,
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getting through
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the next 5 minutes. Get me through the
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next 5 minutes. Yeah. Oh being alive. Thank
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you getting through the next 5 minutes, which
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I swear got, I probably scream that
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25 times a day. But James, how you
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doing? How are they treat you?
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They they treating me very well, and I'm
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very happy to be with you too. Thank
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you Thank you for having me. No. Absolutely
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Even though I started over here the title
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of it. I not to worry about that.
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The 1 thing that hopped out
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I wanna I wanna get into how you...
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You know, I think personally, I'm not trying
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to blow smoke, but you're,
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very different writer from what I'm used to
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I used to reading business books I used
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to reading self help books the
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the how to win friends and influence people's
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style books in your book. Yeah. Is in
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that genre, but it's it's written
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it feels like it's... Like, the 1 thing
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there always saw it said about We used
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to write blogs before the podcast. And they
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said, when I read, it sounds like you're
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talking, And I know I we just started...
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We just met. But I feel like it
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was you're talking as you're reading as you're
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writing it. III take that as a as
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a serious compliment actually because that that that
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that lets me know that I'm that I'm
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you know, I'm I'm I'm still connected to
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it. Know what I mean, that it's it's
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actually... It's actually me because every... You know,
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you... It's something that you think about when
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you're writing Mike it. Like, how much of
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this is
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just some kind of facade of language and
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how much of it is is actually me,
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you know, expressing what's important to me. So
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III really appreciate that comment. No. I'm I
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absolutely mean it. And the 1 word
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it that it's used over and over and
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over, and and it's something that we don't
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use in our everyday language, but it's the
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word owed.
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Yes. 0WED0DE0DE.
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And and then, like, usually, when we are
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hear the word, it's, like, an o to
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my father,
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or it's... It's not... You know, it's not
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something that's in the vernacular, but you've carved
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it up, like, 1500 different ways. What how
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did what is the origin of that?
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Well, so an o traditionally is is a
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is a poem. And the first o were
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written, you know, back in in in ancient
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Greece by this character finder.
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And his o were
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celebrations of athletic feat, like great chariot, great
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boxer, great sprinter,
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so that... So they beg forget the owed
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began as a way of celebrating things. And
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and
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my, you know, my version of it is
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just to celebrate what's surround me. And what
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I'm into. And what I'm doing that day,
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So I to barbecue chip. Owed to in...
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You know, norway always it's not always very
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nice things. Owed owe insomnia, but it's trying
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to find the good stuff in there or
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the useful stuff or whatever I can take
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away from it.
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That that is, you know, slightly
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something I can carry into my life, basically
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that gives me some, you know, forward forward
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momentum, basically. If you haven't had better made
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sweet barbecue chips.
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Don't... We will send you a...
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Wait. NAD or... Better made MAILMADE.
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It's a Detroit 3. Yeah. Yeah. It goes
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hand in hand, like Fa chips that's all
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we all grew up on.
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Brian owen. Thank you.
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But that is a this... That is their
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best flavor by far sweet barbecue. So... Yeah,
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if we have... If we end up sending
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you... You sent me the book. So I'll
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send you a care pack of some better
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made... Me Cap Be. You chips Be forever
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Need that. Yeah. So... Yeah.
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How... Like, being in technology,
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like, I was to... Been talking... The it's
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pretty much this year, and I don't if
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it's a post Covid thing or not.
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But a lot of the conversations I'm having
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with my, you know, my peer group, other...
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Like, I'm in, I'm in sales
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in technology,
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you know,
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and like, Randy, in the development side, But,
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like, a lot of us are talking more
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and more about betterment and health, and we're
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still talking about, like,
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We... We're still talking about Scotch and and,
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you know, Ipa and beer, but we're not...
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The the conversations are shifting.
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Yeah. How long has this been on the
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top I guess, of your
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mindset, and I guess, why did you wanna
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dump out, like, how to be better?
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Well, you know, I've I've IIA
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I'm a dude to struggles a lot with
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with
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slope and depression and just general kind of
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moral
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sluggish ness.
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So since my mid twenties, I've been I've
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been trying to address that in different ways,
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some of them healthy not so healthy. But
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then, you know, you get to your fifties
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where I'm at now.
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And you have to... You really have to
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start start taking care of yourself a bit.
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And
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so I... This is this this book is
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really the
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you know, the kind of sum submission of
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what I've at least learned about my myself
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in that respect because I think, you, you
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know, 1 1 thing about journalism, which is
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my job. Is that it encourages a very
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sort of shallow
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expertise in a very wide
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field. You know, you you you sort of,
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you know, you learn quickly about tons of
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stuff, but you don't actually go that deep,
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or or at least you're trying to produce
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the illusion that you're go in deep That's
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the idea. Know what I? Yeah.
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But the 1 thing that everybody is a
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complete expert in, and in fact the world's
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number 1 authority in is their own experience.
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So that's that's kind of what I was
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I was after in this in this book
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to write about the things that helped me
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get through the day, help me get through
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the next 5 minutes. To be grateful to
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the to their artists,
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we've may we can get to some of
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the musicians and the and and the movie
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makers something that writers who who, you know,
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who kinda kept me going. And also some
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of the some of the techniques, I don't
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really wanna call them hacks because that's a
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bit of a know what that is. Overused.
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But but you know some of some of
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the some of the ways that you can
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you can kinda jump yourself. And, you know,
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that I've got an o cold showers for
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example, because I have a cold shower every
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morning. And that's a serious part of my
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day. I mean, that really does set me
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up. It really changes
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that my my kind of approach to the
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day and it and and it gives me
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a tremendous flipping and jolt. You what mean?
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I've listened to Andrew Hub try to tell
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me to take a eye bath.
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For 2 years. And and then I see
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Joe Rogan doing it. And then I see,
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Yeah.
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Patrick but David doing it. And then I'm
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like,
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No. I'm not. I'm not doing. What? I
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mean
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ice baths Ice... The ice bath is pretty
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extreme. I've done a few of them. And
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and and you climb in and your and
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your brain...
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The first 10 seconds is your brain
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screaming at you. You are gonna die. What
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are you doing here? You're gonna die. You
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know, and then you, you know, why are
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you doing this to me? And you have
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to and you have to get through that.
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And they are, they are very in. But
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the cold shower is is not as intense
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as nice bath in no way. And it
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and it's just a lovely shot of of
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of kind of refreshment. See. I keep... The
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the the themes are are same and I
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wanna get your take on it. It's, you
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know, first thing in do your wake up
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in the morning, chuck some water, get some
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sunlight.
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Yeah. You know, I I see the cold
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shower bit. You know, Yeah.
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What is it? 30 minutes of walking 30
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grams of protein?
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Well, just but this is Brighter. But this
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is where... You know, this is where IIII
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don't I don't I don't take issue with
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you and because he know he's a scientist
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he knows what he he's talking about. But
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but this kind of my... This kinda like
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micro programmed approach to to to to to
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your experience.
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That's that's just that, you know, you get
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your temperature sunlight and and blink as necessary.
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It's saw... It's all, like, you know, it's
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so it's... There's something I don't know. There's
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something very, very
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20 24 and taking care of yourself and
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your own little machine and your own little
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mechanism and not optimizing, optimizing, optimizing. You know
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I don't... I'm not really particularly about optimizing
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everything. I think there's there's a a level
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of self acceptance of one's zone,
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you know, whatever.
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That is quite useful. It's amazing what guys
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are talking about now compared to 20 years
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ago, because 20 years ago. Right. You wake
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up Mar red for.
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Owner Red bull. Yeah, Just yay exactly get
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me. Just... Are used they were not I
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used to wake up have pull exactly Right.
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Yeah. Give me till 11AM,
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my... I got a little bit of a
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hangover, you know, and here we are talking
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about cold showers and in, getting sunlight late
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in the morning.
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I mean, it's it's it's healthy, though, Don't
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You think I mean it's a good... I
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think it's a good tendency generally. I'm in
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I'm in I'm in the same motor as
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you. That's why I was, I, I was
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looking forward to this conversation is,
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III keep telling people. I'm in, my car
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in the shop,
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the engine's getting rebuilt.
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I need some body work done, because I...
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I'm having knee surgery at the end of
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the month.
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Yeah. I... Basically, the doctor told me 1
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more doughnut, I'm pretty much done. So now
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I'm I'm eating pigeon food.
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Right. I'm not boo
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And I'm just like, I'm just... Every I...
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This year. Yeah. So, like, everything is, like,
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I'm just in total
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rebuild mode because I've been spending the last
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30 years to drawing myself. Did you did
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you get as far as my o 0
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not drinking? Can I read it to you
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It's very very? Yeah. O are not drinking?
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I note the change when I resist my
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alcoholic whim. The mornings are more sparkling, but
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the evenings are more dim.
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That's my ultimate do not drink. It's because
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you... Right? Because the... Because the... You know,
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I I... As I'm sure, you know, I
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mean, as... I'm sure you've you... You will
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experience tonight. Like, if there's not a drink
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at the end of the day, it really
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goes on for a very, very long time,
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Like, what's was 09:00 10 now what? You
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know? Oh, so
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and but then if you do drink, then
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in the morning, We have the red bull
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doughnut. You know, count to to contend with.
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I found myself yesterday, watching the heroes with
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a with a 1 of my best friends.
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On an Irish pub. And we had... Guess
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he had to guinness us in a whiskey,
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and I drank a sugar of free red
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bull.
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And the difference as soon as the match
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was done. I'm like, let's get to have
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fo of here. Like, I'm gonna done. I'm
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done. Yeah. Yes. And you know, I'm waiting
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Let's have another 1. Let's... Yeah.
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I'm like, I'm done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,
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you know, now I'm waking up at 6
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in the morning. I I don't know who
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I am anymore. It's it's a...
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You look you look very well. I'm must
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say. I'm get... I feel better. I do...
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I really do.
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So 1 thing I wanted to talk was
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getting through the the next 5 minutes. And
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the first thing that came to my mind
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was a joke going, did somebody write a
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book, you know, getting through the next 6
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minutes, and you were, like, you know, instead
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of 7 minute abs you went 6 minute
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abs.
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Right.
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How did you
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come to 5 minutes? Because again, this is
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something I talk about Like, this is comes
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up 20 times in my head all day.
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Give me through the next day 5 minutes.
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Like, how did it come how did that
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become the number though?
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That that... That's a really good question. I
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think I think 5 minutes is a unit
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that that
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it suggests, you know, it's it's it's urgency
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without emergency. You what I mean, if was
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if it was getting me through the next
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30 seconds, that's... Then you're then then things
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are really quite acute. You know what I
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mean? Yeah. But Get these the next 5
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minutes, You got, you know, you got a
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tiny bit of resilience. You can, you can,
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you know, you can manage it kind of.
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And then, you know, are you, you know,
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however, many units of 5 minutes become a
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day and a month and a year. You
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just you just keep keep going. You know?
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But
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that's a really good question.
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That's what I'm gonna think about that so
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more No. It's fair because again, like,
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with me, I think with everybody I know
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now Like, we all... Like, especially, I'm considered
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Gen x and Randy ear millennium. Right?
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Like, I think everybody's
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Adhd is is exponentially worse every generation we
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get. Mine's horrible.
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Yes. I get to the bottom of the
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page, someone text me, like, I... You know,
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the whole being...
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I wanna put my phone in airplane mode.
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My calendar blocked. I'm in Go mode. Yeah.
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Like, it's tough to do that. I try
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to do an hour a day of that,
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and it's what so ago. And of
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I've got an o to my o to
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my flip phone in here. Bring her back.
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I.
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Basically about that. I've done... Look, here is
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Here's my flip phone. This this is what
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I use. Getting...
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So
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so hang on hang. You still play Nokia
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snake on it though. See that you there's
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always something to divert
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attention But okay. Okay. Okay. Can I read
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this paragraph? Yeah, please.
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So this, I'm talking too much... I'm talking
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to my flip phone.
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Your powers of distraction are limited. When I'm
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bored,
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anxious or angry,
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or bored and anxious and angry, I can't
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just pick you up and stare at you.
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Well rather, I can stare at you, but
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I can't stare through you.
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I can't gaze Slack faced into there.
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Into that itchy dreamy eats your mind place.
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I'm stuck out here in the world, with
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my boredom and my anxiety and my anger.
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I stand around hands in my pockets.
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I feel the stinky breeze on my face.
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I hear the cage home of the city,
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the cage home of my brain. In words,
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it's not always
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great not to be distracted, but I think
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I... In the end, I do just trust
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it a little bit more. You know what
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I mean?
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I don't know. Randy, how many notifications you
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get during the day on apps that you
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don't wanna talk to you. And I try
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to turn I get so many, but even
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just I feel
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overwhelmed, I'm trying to go in and clean
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up those notifications Or just so many I
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don't want, but trying to tackle them is
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just Yeah. So much work. And it's it's...
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To unsubscribe, like, I do the try to
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do once a month to unsubscribe. I try
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to... Like, my I just downloaded No. So
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they push notification. I had a headway for
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audiobooks.
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They've... Oh, you gotta read this to. What
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is What is new? When is that? New?
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It's it's like,
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like a food thing? Yeah. Food log, weight
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log.
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No. Help It's a different way to look
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at food. They they put things into green
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yellow red as to... And they say, hey,
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you can It's not like you gotta eat
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pigeon food, but they'll, hey. If you wanna
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eat a burger today, that's great. Just don't
14:04
eat 16 of them.
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Right. You know, just treat yeah, Make sure
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you eat a salad, you know, before or
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after.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and it kinda
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like, poke, hey, instead of eating that, eat
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this. This will, you know, So it's my
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buddy lost 50 pounds doing. I'm like, I'll
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I'll do it for short time. So...
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That's good. It's a thing, Like, again, you
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know, you turn 50, I turned 50 last
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year too, it's Yeah. We're all kind of
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this silent cry for help. It's a little...
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You know, when I was looking at the
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your
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the the notes for this too. He had
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buzz management in there. I'm, like, oh, boy.
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We're gonna be talking about... Yeah.
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Yeah. It's this what I thought it was.
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No. I think Buzz management is my is
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gonna be my major contribution to, you know,
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western civilization. It's the it's the it's the
14:50
it's the idea that that,
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I mean, we've all got this kind of
14:54
rogue, you know, energy inside us? And how
14:56
do you... Everybody has to handle it in
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their own way? Like, how do you had
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do you, you know, had... How does 1
15:00
handle it? Lots of people handle it with
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booze and drugs, Lots of people handle it
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with exercise.
15:06
Lots of people handle it with, you know,
15:08
meditation and and other... But you gotta handle
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it. And if you don't handle it,
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you know, it's gonna it's it's gonna it's
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gonna it's gonna run you and run you
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in some in some funny directions, I think.
15:20
So what do are you... So it's basically
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it's anything that you're... That is running you
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or Guess what is...
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Well... Okay. So my... So my example is
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is, I is that, I'm always kinda riding
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the line between being excited and being anxious.
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So, like, how do I keep myself excited
15:37
without getting too anxious. You. So should I
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have a drink now? Oh, no. No. No
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I'm a bit tired. Now I need a
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cup of coffee. Give me a. I'm I'm
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I'm always... I'm always, you know, trying to
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address. The kind of wave of my of
15:48
my energy and compensate for the deficits or
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the, you know, the surges in in some
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way. That's buzz management. We never had they're
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healthy wise are not healthy ways to do,
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obviously. Oh, I have absolutely. We used to
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teach,
16:00
our our big presentation was the 10 commandments
16:02
of networking.
16:04
We started as a networking group, so we
16:05
would help, like, state of Michigan had some
16:07
programs and everybody had... Like, we were... Every
16:10
once in a while, there was a conference
16:11
that would ask us to do it.
16:13
But my third 1 was thou shalt not
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have anxiety. And the way we would explain
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it was,
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there's some people that walk into that room
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and they're definitely afraid to talk to anyone
16:23
then you have me
16:25
who has so much anxiety because I wanna
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meet everyone right now.
16:29
I go, yeah. Please don't think you are
16:31
alone having anxiety. We all manifest it in
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different. You know, we all have that thing
16:37
we're afraid of.
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Yes. Yes. And it's part of... I mean,
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it's just part of being a life, like,
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like, you know, feeling feeling like that. The
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question is what you what you do with
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it. Right? Right.
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Me, everyone I talked to, I
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it took me years to try not to
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do this. But everyone I talked to, I
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would always look left and look right to
16:53
see if there's someone else I should be
16:55
talking to also instead of the voting. Yes.
16:57
Hundred percent eyes forward to this person that
17:00
I'm spending time with. And it was my...
17:02
It was 1... Honestly, it was 1 of
17:03
my worst habits I had as a human
17:05
being.
17:06
Yeah. Always seeing... Because he just took... Yeah
17:08
because people notice That's the thing. People pick
17:09
that fuck. This guy doesn't give a shit,
17:12
you know, about this conversation because he's looking
17:14
over shoulder.
17:15
Yeah. And It had nothing to do with
17:16
them it had everything to do with
17:18
Oh, my god. I need to talk to
17:20
50 more people after, you know. How do
17:22
to highly accomplish that.
17:24
Yep.
17:26
So I wanna dive into this Jason bourne
17:28
thinks things it's driving me out sharing. Yeah.
17:30
Yeah. You
17:32
said
17:33
why is Jason born the greatest action hero?
17:35
And I don't fight you to the death.
17:38
I have a I have a very good
17:39
friend of mine who All I have to
17:41
say is Flash gordon can beat up Superman,
17:43
and he he will get completely irate with
17:46
me.
17:47
While I like the Jason bourne films, I
17:49
never really considered Met Damon in action hero
17:53
per s. I'm dying to hear your take
17:55
on this.
17:56
Okay. So my my my take... I mean,
17:59
I think they're they're they're great movies in
18:00
in their own right. But but
18:03
My take on Jason Bourne. He's he's my
18:05
favorite action hero because his mission is the
18:08
essential human mission I think, which is to
18:10
figure out who he is and what he's
18:11
here for why he's on it. That's that's
18:15
his whole trip. He he, he, you know,
18:17
he arrives. He he floats up nameless with
18:20
no memory. You know, and that he's taken
18:22
in by the kindly Italian fishermen, and the
18:24
nice doctor,
18:26
and just discovers that he has these weird
18:28
skill sets, you know, you can tie these
18:30
weird, you know, sailors knots, then he finds
18:32
out he can speak German, and then he
18:33
finds out he can kick us, you, in
18:36
this amazing way. And, but he still doesn't
18:38
really know who he is. And that's that
18:40
the whole trajectory of the films, where he's
18:41
gotta get to the heart of his identity.
18:43
Then he discovers his programmed to be this
18:45
killer. So then he has to go under
18:46
that. Like, is that that's but that's still
18:48
not who is? Who was he before? What
18:50
did they do to him? So that's that's
18:52
why I love I love Chase. But who...
18:53
Okay. So who's your favor reaction here? Who
18:55
who we talking about? I mean, I'm a
18:56
flash Gordon junkie.
18:58
Yeah. Flash.
18:59
Yeah. The 19 80
19:01
film. That's the hand. I put that above,
19:05
Jed, or empire strikes back. Like, I'm a
19:08
I'm a weirdo.
19:09
I'm have to watch that again. I could
19:11
watch. And it's so
19:13
camp, Corny. I have a couple, Yeah. I'll
19:15
call them like, 35 year old neighbors I
19:17
had to have watch,
19:19
a few of the scenes there They look
19:20
look at me and they said you're an
19:22
absolute idiot.
19:24
Wait. Is that the wrong with a queen
19:25
queen doing the soundtrack? Yeah. Absolutely.
19:28
Yes. Yes. I like the soundtrack record? Top
19:29
3 soundtrack, movie soundtrack of all time. Yeah.
19:32
Yeah. Yeah. Those are craig crazy like Brian
19:35
mayer, Guitar. Yes. Yeah. The the hawk man
19:37
fight. I still get chills on my arm.
19:39
I'm I mean, fights Okay.
19:42
Right Oh. Brian Brian Blessed.
19:45
Yeah. It.
19:46
Chris Who also played Randy, if you did
19:49
not know this, the leader of the Gun
19:51
in episode 1.
19:53
Charger
19:54
charger us. He's He's like a test something
19:57
Oh, Yeah. Yeah.
20:00
Yeah. That guy. Yeah that hoc man from
20:02
Flash court. So, yeah. That's my little trivia
20:04
for the day. That nobody cares about. Except
20:06
for me. Yeah.
20:09
But see, like, J... I'm looking at Jason
20:11
bourne out, and you look at the simplicity
20:13
of, like, a John Wick.
20:15
Who... Yeah.
20:16
You know, you killed my dog, so I
20:18
wanna murder, like, 3 quarters of the building.
20:20
Quote, and that's and that's but, you know,
20:22
that's that... That's very effective. If you kill
20:23
my dog and I'm gonna destroy all of.
20:25
Mean, that's that's beautiful too. But there's... There's
20:27
something about Jason Bourne journey into his own
20:30
identity. Which I which I just... That's really
20:32
compelling. And then he, you know, he meets
20:34
these other dudes on the way. You've also
20:35
been turned into kind of monsters like he.
20:38
And there's tremendous paid us when they actually
20:39
figure out who they are, but that they
20:41
have to kill each other anyway. Yeah. I
20:43
think I just... I think they're just really
20:44
good movies. You now, like, me growing my
20:47
like, super friends the cartoon super seeds, like
20:50
the marvel
20:51
and the Avengers movies today. Like, I I
20:54
yeah Meanwhile, they'll legion to doom them. Like,
20:56
that to me that's
20:57
it'll never get any better, But my by.
21:00
1 of the coolest moments of my life,
21:02
I got to watch an Ultra man movie
21:04
in Tokyo.
21:06
Proper. Like, yeah. That was...
21:10
I loved Ultra man. I love the Kaiju
21:12
movies, like, the like, the new Godzilla minus
21:15
1 I thought was a absolute brilliant film.
21:17
What about that. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys
21:19
like wrestling? I I look oh, My god.
21:21
Don't get me started.
21:23
Can I get you started? Totally love it.
21:25
Yeah. Like, I was toes was it smack
21:27
down in Worcester. On where you real
21:30
Friday night. Yeah Yeah. I love it. It's...
21:33
I'm I'm kind of, Kind of a a
21:34
recent con, but I find it completely fascinating.
21:37
My
21:38
grandfather who didn't speak a lick of English.
21:41
Loved it. Thought it was actually real. He
21:43
would argue with family members, and I would
21:45
have to translate everything to him.
21:47
So that was my earliest memories. I used
21:49
to bring over V dhs tapes, and we
21:51
would argue about, you know, this guy that
21:53
guy,
21:55
I still go... I I got involved in
21:57
the business very shortly. I was doing play
21:59
by play and ring announcing for the small
22:01
independent circuit in Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah.
22:05
I have a bunch of... I have a
22:06
bunch of friends that are in the business.
22:08
A couple of them just got signed.
22:11
Yeah.
22:12
It's a it's a it's a pretty... It's
22:13
a crazy world.
22:15
I'm glad I'm on them... I'm glad I'm
22:16
on the microphone site, not on the ring
22:18
site. Because those guys are all
22:20
not just amazing athletes, but they're all hurt.
22:22
Every 1 of them, they all have something...
22:23
Oh, I know. I know. I mean, that's
22:25
that, you know, we're... I mean, I mean,
22:26
my people say is not real. I mean,
22:28
these guys take serious damage. And a Star
22:31
Wars wasn't filmed in space either. You know?
22:34
I'm just...
22:35
My dad was always screaming. Me mean, hey,
22:37
Bobby, that's fake. Like you why you watched
22:39
this clip. I'm like,
22:42
like dead. You just watched, like, you know,
22:44
Indiana Jones. Like, that that wasn't real. Like,
22:47
that's that's okay.
22:49
My thing is or or or at least
22:50
my, you, my current thought, is that is
22:52
there any any any
22:54
sports event that you're watching. Your mind is
22:56
always
22:57
g for a narrative? Always g for a
22:59
story. Like, this guy is the underdog. I'm
23:01
support him. I hate that guy. He makes
23:03
too much money or this breath is he
23:05
evil or something, you know, wrestling actually gives
23:07
you these gives them to. You what I
23:09
mean like? This is a bad guy. This
23:10
is the good guy. This is what they're
23:12
now there's in confusion But you what I
23:14
mean? It... It gives you this stuff so
23:15
you can enjoy this spectrum. This is as
23:16
old as time. The story are as old
23:18
as time. Like, yeah. I don't know if
23:20
you... Are you watching the the aco.
23:22
Right now. No. What is that Yeah. It's
23:24
the new Star Wars series on Disney plus.
23:28
I find it. Everyone's getting a lot of
23:30
hate. I don't I don't hate it. I
23:31
think it's fascinating, but it's using an old,
23:34
like, Japanese samurai film tactic of looking at
23:37
the film through multiple lenses through the like
23:40
the
23:41
Yeah. This... Yes. Exactly. It's exactly doing that
23:43
just that. So if you if you know
23:45
that going into it, It's... Yeah. I think
23:47
it's kinda brilliantly written. It's it's really, you.
23:50
All of a sudden, you get it from
23:51
that angle, and you're, like, and it changes
23:52
your whole dynamic of that scene.
23:55
That's great. And they're brilliant at it. And
23:56
it's it's really well done. You haven't if
23:58
you haven't get caught. I'm checking out. Epic
24:00
3 is kinda trash, but the rest of
24:02
it's is really good.
24:04
Halt man fight the Aco light and better
24:06
mate barbecue chip. Better made barbecue with. Yes.
24:08
Right. And a ph in a fa rock
24:10
and rye.
24:11
A what? What is? Fuego. It's our it...
24:13
We call it pop. It's soda.
24:16
It's like a black cherry cream soda.
24:19
That sounds completely disgusting. Oh, is not. It's...
24:22
You can only have 1 because your sugar,
24:23
you know, blood sugar gold. Yeah Yeah. Yeah
24:25
I am not allowed to have it, but,
24:26
you know,
24:29
1 thing I wanted to to... I forgot
24:30
to bring up to you about the book
24:32
is Yeah. It is, like,
24:35
I don't wanna call it diary size, because
24:37
I don't wanna, a, pigeon h.
24:39
Physical size of it. Yeah. It's a.
24:42
And it's okay. It's not... It's the smallest
24:44
book I own.
24:46
Yeah.
24:48
What was the... Is there a is there
24:49
a reason?
24:50
Why? Was it? No Well, so I was...
24:53
I... The... I never actually
24:55
stipulated or specified anything about what size I
24:57
thought it should be. But when they when
24:59
when they sent me the box a couple
25:01
of months ago I just where it came
25:02
out. And and I opened it. I was
25:03
like, oh this is beautiful. Because I was
25:05
expecting it to be some kind of big
25:07
clunky hard back, you know, that we will
25:08
get for Christmas can never read, But it's
25:10
not. It's kind of a lovely little kinda
25:12
Alma, it's kinda manual size. Thing that goes
25:15
in your back pocket. And I love the
25:17
idea that Pete... That is... And I I,
25:19
you, I'm completely dating myself here because I
25:21
know I've already read on phones and Chemicals
25:22
or whatever. But the idea that you can
25:24
carry this book,
25:25
with you
25:26
just around with you very easily and just
25:28
dip into it now and again. That's that's
25:30
that's... The the the the size I think
25:32
is something to do with Well, I would...
25:34
What I would like to imagine is the
25:35
functionality of the of the of the book.
25:37
Yeah. I have a, I think, 9 or
25:39
8 folds in it already. So, like, I'm...
25:40
Yeah. Really? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
25:44
No. It's... Like I said,
25:46
1 of the things. It's 1 of those,
25:47
like,
25:48
not a... It was never a bucket list
25:50
for me. We... I enjoyed writing, more than
25:52
this. Yeah Yeah to be the same. This
25:55
is this is they're both very fork for
25:56
me, but I enjoyed writing.
25:58
We used to write a blog series. We
26:00
didn't wanna tell people what to do. We
26:02
like, our culture was told people would not
26:04
to do. So it became... Don't be that
26:06
guy and how not to suck at. Yep.
26:09
It's... When we did our ted talk, it
26:10
was
26:11
basically called Suck class. Like, you don't need
26:13
to be the best. You just need to
26:14
suck class. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like, yes. You
26:16
you'll be perfectly capable if you suck class
26:18
than than them.
26:20
But the don't be that guys were great
26:22
because it was... I I wouldn't call you
26:24
out, but if you read it, you're, like,
26:25
oh, shit. So that was like, we thought
26:27
it was funny.
26:28
Yeah. Yeah. But I wanted to... Like, for
26:30
all these years, we had hundreds of them
26:31
and were like, how do you tie that
26:33
into a book I go? I don't think
26:34
you can. Like, it just
26:36
the way a blog right wrote in the
26:38
way a book rights, It's it's 2 insanely
26:40
different things.
26:42
And it I... Yeah. Again, it's it was
26:46
and that... I don't know. It's... You see
26:48
me stuttering over my words because I'm lost
26:49
because there was the 1 thing I...
26:51
Well, this... I'm I'm just thinking though. I
26:53
did I... I would never have imagined.
26:55
This is just this is just my experience
26:56
with this book. I would never have imagined
26:58
that all these, you know, the these these
27:00
were written for the Atlantic. It
27:02
not all of them, but about half of
27:03
them written for the Atlantic they're appeared in
27:05
the inside back page.
27:07
And I would never imagine that getting in
27:08
together with with a lot of the other
27:10
stuff that I subsequently wrote in the poems
27:12
and blah blah blah blah. All the different
27:14
subjects would would work. But when you do
27:16
squish stuff together, with weird things happen? You
27:19
know what I mean, like, a bit start
27:20
talking to each other, theme start emerging, it's
27:23
it's quite interesting. You know, you think they're
27:25
desperate disparate fragments. But then when you scrunch
27:28
them up.
27:29
You know, there's there's some energy the some
27:31
coherent energy. My issue is some of it
27:33
at least to this content we wrote is
27:34
somewhat dated because we were writing job search
27:37
and Right. Certain things like the market right
27:39
now for technology is absolutely. Right. Whereas as
27:41
whereas owed to my flip phone will never...
27:43
It'll never. Rick exactly.
27:47
No. And to be honest, I'm I don't
27:49
wanna say... I god I wish... I can't
27:51
do... You can't do it. Like, because there's...
27:53
I have way... There's way too much going
27:54
on in the day.
27:56
And I... You know,
27:57
3 daughters, 2 of them have cell phones
27:59
because they're teenagers. So it's like... Yeah. You
28:01
know, my wife works at the hospital. It's
28:03
just... It's constant. It's and then all the
28:06
customers in work and teams going off. Teams
28:08
is probably...
28:09
I think if you were take a poll,
28:12
Randy, what do you think, like, 90 percent
28:13
of the people would burn teams to the
28:15
ground. What team? Yeah. Team like Slack.
28:18
Yeah. Google. Yeah.
28:20
Well you look... So if you look at
28:22
my life real quick, I have Teams because
28:24
I call on Microsoft. I have tried because
28:27
I call on Aws.
28:28
I have Zoom because data likes to use
28:32
Zoom and so to Salesforce. I have Google
28:35
Meet because I call on Google.
28:37
So like, literally, I have all of these
28:40
different, and I have to be cognizant. So
28:41
when I book a meeting with Google, I
28:43
have to make sure and you use my
28:44
Google Meet plugin and not use teams as
28:48
default.
28:49
Yeah.
28:50
All the... And then I've people texting and
28:52
calling
28:53
and, you know, emails kinda died. I don't
28:55
know if if anyone... Like, it's only for,
28:57
like, really important stuff.
28:59
But it's so much. It's... And then I
29:01
don't use Slack. I refuse to. Randy you
29:05
Slack don't you?
29:06
I try to avoid it. I've... I'm a
29:08
member of some Slack prod products that you
29:10
Slack, but at work we use Teams.
29:14
What do you avoid Slack?
29:15
It's not too good. Yeah.
29:18
I don't...
29:19
It's kinda like the first time you... Like,
29:21
you used to standard message forms then you
29:23
went to reddit it, and you're, like, it
29:24
doesn't read right. That's how I feel with
29:26
Slack. And it's not a gooey thing because
29:29
I don't mind new Gooey. That's, like, every
29:31
2 months in my industry, you know.
29:33
Yeah. It's just
29:35
it's not...
29:37
You have to... I think you have to
29:38
been born with it. I'm sorry. It was
29:40
the first,
29:41
and it's kind of riding on those coat
29:43
tails. It hasn't really improved. And so it's
29:46
competitors have kind of caught up and surpassed
29:48
it. That's it's good master. Gotta it. Gotta.
29:50
Got it. So so my my little tech
29:52
panic was when I signed... When I clicked
29:53
on the link here, Squad
29:55
on my safari,
29:57
it said, no, no. No. Gotta go and
29:58
do Chrome, I was out shit. And then
30:00
and then And then I panicked because Out
30:02
I was a little bit late and done
30:03
adapter. So, that was my tech,
30:05
adventure for the day, switching from Safari to
30:07
Chrome. And which?
30:10
I will not... I refuse. I'm Chrome. I
30:13
will... I'm just... Yeah. It's a I'm not
30:15
giving... I'm not changing. I'm not going to
30:17
duck. I'm not going to...
30:20
And I'm not going to fire fire fire...
30:22
Firefox me is making a comeback. Isn't it?
30:24
It's... Is it really?
30:25
I keep
30:26
I Thank yeah. Yeah. People will keep getting
30:29
more and more frustrated with Google.
30:32
So
30:33
1 thing I wanna do... I don't wanna
30:34
trash on you,
30:36
but you brought up my my least favorite
30:38
topic which is meditation.
30:41
And
30:43
I've actually Well, I've actually tried it,
30:46
and it's pure
30:48
like, to sit for 5 minutes in complete
30:52
utter silence.
30:53
Yep. Or with some shitty white noise
30:56
Youtube thing.
30:58
It's pure una
31:00
hell to me.
31:02
And then you start your mind, then I
31:04
started thinking about emails and the phone calls
31:06
I have to make.
31:07
And I'm I'm not... I'm never able to
31:09
just
31:10
be so that I quit doing it.
31:13
Okay. I'm gonna read you my
31:15
please deal. It's sure. It's just a poem.
31:18
O to meditation.
31:20
Think no thoughts.
31:22
Let all the brain's productions be a flow
31:25
of shining nord.
31:27
Be still,
31:28
stillness is a thrill.
31:30
Say nothing to yourself. Let words lie flat,
31:33
like tingling swords.
31:35
Put sex away
31:37
you'll attend to the itch in the under
31:39
pants
31:40
another day.
31:41
At this point,
31:43
should you find yourself in a warehouse of
31:45
mental din
31:47
pursued by AGZ
31:49
with 2 ravens tugging at your intestines, 1
31:52
going 1 way, 1 going the other, and
31:54
a red ph rising before you mute as
31:57
an idol,
31:59
congratulations. You're meditating.
32:01
In other words, that's what's supposed to happen.
32:03
You're supposed to enter this realm with complete
32:05
flipping chaos because... Because that's when you realize
32:07
that's that's your natural regular mind state, like
32:11
half an inch below the surface. You what
32:12
mean? Right. And then you... And then you
32:13
sort of settle yourself,
32:15
if you can,
32:17
through that. You what I mean? And and
32:19
and it's... It's... That's... I think the the
32:21
real medi militaries will tell you that's that's
32:22
the... That's... You're having the proper experience. It's
32:25
not like you you float into Nirvana. You
32:27
you you engage with the noise. You know?
32:29
But you come out, like, I anticipate coming
32:31
out with, like, a call. I use the
32:33
call map. For it. Yeah. And it was
32:36
just, like, know, feel through your fingers and
32:38
through your toes. You're like,
32:41
I don't you Or or or, you know,
32:43
imagine imagine like a white light of love
32:45
coming out of you, envelop your house, then
32:48
your street in the world. I'm mean, what
32:50
I just... I can't imagine it. None of
32:51
these images make any sense to me. But
32:53
the but the but the practice of sitting
32:55
with your own sort of confusion and just
32:57
kind of enduring it and building up a
32:58
bit stamina for. That I think that is
33:00
really useful. See in my in my life,
33:02
the only things that I would ever qualify
33:04
to, like, it's either sitting on a, doc
33:07
an in an an chair. Oh, lovely. Or
33:11
just sitting next to campfire fire. I think
33:12
those are only 2 ways I could
33:15
actually
33:15
just like, dude... Yeah. Because, like, sitting in
33:18
my
33:20
business chair, you know what I mean?
33:22
Right.
33:23
And and close your eyes and think of
33:25
that. Yeah. But the no yet, but the
33:27
but there's there's some there's so much cobb
33:29
that comes along with the discourse around it.
33:30
Oh, yes. So Like, again, the music around
33:33
is so terrible.
33:34
But
33:35
but the but the practice itself, I... You
33:37
know, I I don't really do any anymore
33:38
about. He's... I did it for a few
33:40
years. And it was very instructive and in
33:42
the end very helpful to me, I think.
33:44
So we had about 16
33:46
or in a row episodes about Gen a.
33:50
Yeah. And you're... I think you're the first...
33:52
As you see the first journalist be had
33:53
on the show in 10 years.
33:55
Or I wanna, like, real, like, a professional
33:58
journalist. Maybe... I don't know.
34:00
I don't think so, But we've had a
34:02
couple authors, but, like, you know, I can
34:03
say
34:05
I put you on a pedestal for being,
34:07
like, an actual journalist.
34:08
What's your take or what is your industry
34:11
or the, you know, the people that have
34:12
been around for a while. What's your tech
34:14
on on Jenny.
34:17
IIII
34:18
my thought on Ai. It is
34:21
I'm not I'm not I'm not particularly
34:24
scared of it yet as a as a
34:26
writer
34:27
because I... Because I think when it it
34:29
my in my incredibly crude understanding of it.
34:31
What it does is kind of, you know,
34:34
aggregate
34:35
the most people right and then turn that
34:38
into a piece of writing. Right? If you
34:39
ask it something, it's gonna it's gonna
34:42
scope out all the zillion different sources,
34:44
and budget them together and come up with
34:45
something that that that resembles
34:48
an answer that somebody might give. So if
34:50
you... So if you're if you're using, you
34:53
know, your own
34:54
words and you're having your own thoughts.
34:57
I think I think you're always gonna... You're
34:58
always gonna, kinda,
35:00
transcend that or or or surpass it at
35:02
least.
35:04
I think it's really to not just to
35:06
hop real quick. Like, I think it's not
35:08
It's never gonna take away from your
35:10
profession.
35:11
Because the way it's been telling me, like,
35:12
code, it is like, it's your... It's like
35:15
a c pilot. It's you're R2D2 to your
35:16
luke Skywalker. Right? It helps you along your
35:18
journey.
35:19
But, like, there's there's... I get an Instagram
35:22
at all the time Randy Don't know if
35:23
you've seen this It's, like, a
35:25
like, farting management and it's like, you create,
35:28
like, a Book. You pick, like, 1 topic.
35:31
That's like your cover. And it'll print off
35:32
a. So it's like a gag gift. You
35:34
can give to friends and you can on
35:36
any stupid topic.
35:38
It'll generate targeted ads are real way different
35:40
than mine.
35:41
Oh, did you have no... You don't wanna
35:43
see my targeted ads.
35:47
But, like, you know, you can actually just
35:48
print and generate a book on demand now
35:50
on any any topic and they'll write the
35:52
whole thing for you. It's it's Yes. A
35:53
little bit of absurd.
35:55
Yes.
35:56
So so I so I don't know. I
35:58
I mean, I'm I'm I'm I'm not... I'm
35:59
I'm not really qualified. But... But and but
36:01
I mean, IIIIIII
36:04
fear it in the sense that I I
36:05
just...
36:06
I I feel I feel it out there.
36:09
I feel, you know, nobody don't think anybody
36:11
really knows what the consequences of are gonna
36:12
be. Right?
36:14
But I think with the... Like, you're gonna
36:15
take, let's say you,
36:17
famous author. Let's just go Bill Shakespeare. Right?
36:20
Yeah. And then you say, can you write,
36:23
let's go Star Wars empire strikes back in
36:26
the styling of Bill Shakespeare?
36:28
Yeah. And you have a completely, like, unique
36:30
work that, like, mimics
36:33
this person because there's so much out.
36:35
But I think you'd I think I think
36:37
any... I think somebody who knew Shakespeare would
36:39
probably be able would probably,
36:41
you know, find some bum notes in there
36:43
and and and and, you know, I think,
36:46
III wouldn't I wouldn't
36:48
I wouldn't want to credit it with understanding
36:50
shapes.
36:50
Can't I could credit it with with knowing
36:52
with
36:53
understanding his word patterns.
36:55
But but in terms of what he's actually
36:57
saying with those word patents.
36:59
Auto of. I don't know. And that's the...
37:01
It's a thing too. Like, there's an app
37:02
called Parrot.
37:04
Right now, you can get for free. It's,
37:06
like Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and then
37:07
if you pay for it, you can get
37:08
like, 50 other people. But you can make
37:11
them say,
37:13
like, whatever you wanna say. Yeah. Like, you
37:15
see it all the time, like, there's, like,
37:16
a clip from, like, Jordan Peterson Ro are,
37:19
like, wait a minute. They didn't say that,
37:21
like, and they use the damn paradigm, And
37:23
it is pretty damn close. What do we
37:26
have when I was sn on, Randy when
37:28
we did the 1 for Parrot with Donald
37:29
Trump?
37:30
It's absolutely ridiculous that was. Yeah. Yeah. But,
37:33
like, you know, me, I've recorded what
37:36
at least in our podcast a week for
37:38
10 years, Like, you can pretty much make
37:39
me say anything. And that's where it gets
37:41
a little little you know, It is a
37:42
bit scary. But then, you know... But then
37:44
there's... IIII
37:45
will I I will probably always prefer, like,
37:47
a great Trump impression, you know, who can
37:50
who can you know, Shay Shane Gill stuff.
37:52
She... I was just gonna think Shane gill
37:53
is the best. Yeah. Right? He's the best.
37:55
Right? Yeah. I he... He's... Because his Trump
37:57
is so
37:59
nuanced and and strange and soft.
38:02
And and, you know, I I like to
38:04
think Ai is not you know, the... Yet.
38:07
It's close. That's the thing It's it's still
38:09
crap... It's still shitty enough where it's not.
38:12
Yeah you know, once it gets to be
38:14
too good, you know? Yeah. Right. You know,
38:16
harry how do you do you you... Is
38:18
it... Does it worry you at all? Or
38:20
not yet.
38:21
No. I'm not 1 of those alarm... I'm
38:23
I'm a companion
38:24
if. I'm not an alarm.
38:26
I see
38:29
like, in art. It's never gonna replace like,
38:32
it'll...
38:33
The shitty artwork, the little comics that it
38:35
makes a little cartoon drawings. Like, no 1
38:38
good. No. And it's kinda like when when
38:40
Naps came around in metallic a complain and
38:42
you're were, like, you don't get it, man,
38:44
Like, no 1 was butt... Like, I had
38:46
to buy your record. I had to buy
38:47
your a paycheck. I to buy your cassette.
38:48
I went to 6 year concerts. Your Goddamn
38:50
right. I'm gonna download your shit. Yeah. That's
38:53
how If... That's how I felt about Naps.
38:55
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that now,
38:57
like, nothing's is gonna replicate. Like, I, I'm
38:59
a avid comic con.
39:01
The artwork work is it's no different than
39:03
an grabbing the the artist. My favorite artist
39:06
is the 1 that grabs the 10 dollar
39:08
or starving artist painting, like the Bob Ross,
39:11
you know, and then paints like an add
39:13
at or a, Ufo or, like, a, Godzilla
39:17
in the background and it made it their
39:19
own. So like, yeah. Again, it didn't take
39:21
away because the whole framing and all that
39:23
was already done that doesn't change the fact
39:25
that this is
39:26
it's it's great.
39:28
And I think that'll always shine through. Yeah.
39:30
Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. Yep. Totally.
39:32
Awesome. Well. James Parker, the author of getting
39:35
through the next 5 minutes, you can find
39:37
it on Amazon We'll put it in show
39:38
notes. I can't thank you enough for the
39:40
time, and,
39:42
Are you Celtic fan? I would say, congrats
39:44
on the Celtic, but you're from london and
39:45
so you don't care if the facility.
39:47
Well, I just got this very boston shirt.
39:49
But can I? I'm very... I'm very grateful
39:51
to you guys for taking a bit of
39:52
a chance on a on a not particularly
39:54
tech
39:56
guy and and and, you know, helping me
39:58
talk about my It's kinda like bars stool
40:00
sports talking about food it's, like, don't... You
40:02
know, Yeah. When tech guys get together, we
40:03
don't sit there and talk about breaches and
40:05
tech all the. We're like, Well, right. I
40:06
mean, before we start, we were talk about.
40:09
Absolutely. Absolutely Yeah. So... But, yeah, James Parker.
40:12
Definitely look up his book on Amazon It's
40:14
definitely worth the read,
40:15
fantastic writing skill. I I really appreciate your
40:18
time spent on the show.
40:19
Thank you, Bob. Thank, Randy. Alright. On behalf
40:21
of
40:22
myself and Randy do is all a favor,
40:23
drink up your drinks, get your phone numbers.
40:25
You don't gotta go home. Just gotta get
40:26
the hell out of here. See you next
40:28
week. Drive careful. Beat it.