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Andrew Collins | Karahan Tepe, Entering Sky World, & Plasma Being Communication Rituals · The Higherside Chats

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  Then you can't steal my sunshine from the
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  sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood, and while the
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  modern world is full of individual people with
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  bizarre stories of entity encounters, crop circles, balls
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  of light, and strange journeys to hidden realms,
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  our culture is completely devoid of any acknowledgment,
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  let alone encouragement or understanding of these engagements.
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  But what if long ago civilizations
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  existed where this was not the case and
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  in fact, entire stone megaliths and monuments were
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  built for facilitating this non human entity communication
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  with animalistic spirit beings and conscious plasma?
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  A time where shamanic rituals were popularized and
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  leaned into long before the multitude of distractions
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  and entertainment options of today.
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  A legacy perhaps carried on through secret societies
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  despite every attempt to destroy it by the
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  consolidated power structure of the time.
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  Well, these are just some of the major
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  themes found in the work of today's guest,
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  Andrew Collins, who has been writing about the
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  crossroads of history and science for over 40
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  years with books like From the Ashes of
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  Angels, The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race,
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  Gods of Eden, Egypt's Lost Legacy in the
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  Genesis of Civilization,
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  The Cygnus Mystery, unlocking the ancient secrets of
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  life's origins in the cosmos,
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  LightQuest,
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  your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs,
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  mystery lights, and plasma intelligences,
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  the Cygnus Key, the Denisovan legacy, Gobekli Tepe
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  and the birth of Egypt, Gobekli Tepe, Genesis
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  of the Gods, the Temple of the Watchers
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  and the Discovery of Eden,
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  and the 2 co authored books with doctor
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  Gregory Little that we've covered previously, Denesovan
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  Origins, Human Hybrids, Gobekli Tepe and the Genesis
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  of Giants in Ancient America,
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  and Origins of the Gods, Kisum Caves, Skinwalkers,
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  and Contact with Transdimensional
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  Intelligences.
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  His latest book, Karahantepae,
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  Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins
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  of the Serpent of Eden, puts the Karahantephe
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  site in the larger context of shamanic rituals
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  and higher intelligence he's been talking about for
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  years. And let it also be known that
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  among Andrew's greatest achievements in the field of
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  ancient civilizations
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  was the discovery of a huge cave complex
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  beneath the shadow of the Great Pyramid of
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  Egypt, now known as Collins Cave.
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  A true legend, and I'm lucky to have
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  him here, the plasma intelligence hypothesizer
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  ancient civilization sleuth and teacher of the tepes.
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  Andrew Collins, I can hardly believe it. Welcome
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  to THC.
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  Hello, Greg. Thank you for that extraordinary
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  introduction.
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  Hopefully, I'll live up to that in what
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  we talk about today. Oh, I know you
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  will, and I'm just super excited about this.
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  It's only been a year or 2 since
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  I started to understand the plasma context when
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  it comes to communications with some sort of
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  hyperdimensional
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  beings and the things usually called
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  aliens or spirits or even gods. And then
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  I learned that you've been highlighting this since
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  at least your 2012 book, Light Quest, if
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  not before. But to start with the latest
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  book, this does come up in Karahantepay
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  because your assessment of the site is that
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  it was a ritual space designed for communication
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  with just such a being. Right?
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  Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, what is Karahantepay?
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  It is arguably the most enigmatic
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  of
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  the so called Tajtepeller
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  ritual sites in Southeastern Turkey,
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  but not the most well known. The most
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  well known is, of course, Gobekli Tepe,
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  which we've known about since the beginning of
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  this current century.
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  And I've been on since that time. And
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  the reason why I got on to it
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  was because in the mid 19 nineties, I
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  wrote a book which you've already mentioned called
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  from the ashes of angels,
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  which talked about
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  the myths and legends
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  of the various different mythical beings of the
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  Near East and Middle East that were said
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  to have given humanity
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  the rudiments of civilization.
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  In Hebrew myth, they are known as the
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  Watchers and the Nephilim.
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  In Mesopotamian myth, they're known as the Anunnaki.
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  In Iranian myth, they're known as the Immortals.
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  In Armenian myth, they're known as the Giants.
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  And all of them are said to have
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  looked quite different to the
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  mortal beings that they interact with.
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  But they're very clearly, in my opinion, a
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  memory of
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  flesh and blood human beings that existed on
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  this earth and probably
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  were responsible for kick starting
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  what we know as the Neolithic revolution at
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  the end of the last ice age.
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  And this occurred in what is today southeastern
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  and eastern Turkey.
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  And this created this
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  first post
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  ice age civilization
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  that we know today under the term Trasztepella.
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  And this is a term that people are
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  gonna have to get familiar with because it's
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  what the people
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  in Turkey want us to call it.
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  Tas
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  basically means
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  stone, really, and this refers to the fact
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  that this culture were the first to build
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  in stone.
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  And the tepala relates to the tepes,
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  which are these occupational
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  mounds,
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  these layer cakes of human activity,
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  which all of these structures have been built
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  either within or on top of or whatever.
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  Each different generation building something new, either to
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  the side or on top and gradually creating
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  this huge
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  mound
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  that you often see in the landscape of
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  southeastern Turkey.
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  I mean, not only is places like Gobekli
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  Tepe, obviously, by virtue of its name, one
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  of these occupational mounds, but there are literally
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  hundreds of them.
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  And most of them have actually not
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  been fully investigated.
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  I mean, if you go to that area,
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  you'll you'll see them all over the place.
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  I mean, some of them date back 12000
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  years, but some of them only go back
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  to the iron age, maybe to 3000
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  years. But it's a familiar site. So this
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  is the term that's now used, Tashtepeller.
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  And this
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  revolves around Gobekli Tepe, around Karahantepai.
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  And what you have at these sites are
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  these
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  extraordinary stone enclosures with t shaped pillars.
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  And these t shaped pillars are like spokes
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  of a wheel around
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  what is generally two much larger
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  monolithic
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  t shaped pillars at the center of these
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  enclosures.
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  And the t shaped pillars themselves
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  are covered in beautiful carved imagery,
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  mostly animals,
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  animals presumably of the natural world in which
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  these people lived. But also, there is human
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  representations
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  as well, plus human heads.
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  There are certain animals that crop up again
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  and again, like the boar,
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  the vulture,
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  the leopard or panther,
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  the bull, which very clearly must have had
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  a special place
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  within this community,
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  probably to do with animistic and shamanistic
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  beliefs.
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  And there are also beliefs and practices that
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  can be deduced
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  from a number of the carved
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  pillars, particularly one called pillar 43
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  that we find in Gobekli Tepe, which is
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  essentially
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  an information board, really,
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  telling the shaman how to enter into the
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  sky world and what exactly they'll find when
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  they get there.
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  So this is the background of it, but
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  Karahantepai
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  is somewhere that I've been going to since
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  2004,
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  so over 20
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  years now.
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  And when I first got there,
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  all that you could see on the ground
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  was just a few
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  angled
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  pieces of what they call pothole stones, which
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  looked like they might have come out of
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  a medieval building, but they dated back at
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  least 10000 years.
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  There were stone tools all over the place,
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  thousands of them, showing that there was an
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  awful lot of human activity there
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  in the past.
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  But in addition to that, there were the
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  heads of these t shaped pillars just sticking
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  up out of the ground.
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  Most of them quite warm because they've been
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  exposed
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  above the surface
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  of the Earth, you know, for probably
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  10000 years.
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  And it was quite obvious that somewhere here
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  was another Gobekli Tepe.
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  And in 2019,
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  excavations
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  began
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  there under the leadership of doctor Nezhmi Karol
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  of the University of Istanbul.
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  And from that point onwards through to today,
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  they've uncovered
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  what I would describe as virtually a lost
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  city of the Anunnaki.
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  Why the Anunnaki we can come on to?
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  But, I mean, it's just extraordinary,
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  and it's quite clear that what was happening
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  at Karahantepay
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  is far deeper,
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  far rawer,
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  far more shamanic
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  than what was happening at Gobekli Tepe. I
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  mean, to me, Gobekli Tepe is almost like
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  a sort of
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  Catholic cathedral, you know, of lots of different
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  chapels and churches and rooms and whatever.
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  Whereas
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  whatever was going on at Karahanshaepe
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  was much darker,
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  much more gnostic.
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  You know, these people were trying to get
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  to the root of everything, trying to understand
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  quite literally, you know, who we were, where
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  we come from, and what's
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  out there, basically.
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  Mhmm. Well, that is a great summary. And
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  on the subject of how to enter the
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  sky world that you mentioned, I wanted to
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  read this section even though it's long, and
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  I'm gonna butcher the names. But this section
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  is called entering starry portals.
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  In their seminal work on the development of
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  beliefs and practices relating to world ages, cosmic
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  axis, and the concept of processional time titled
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  Hamlet's Mill,
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  Italian American philosopher and historian of science,
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  Giorgio
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  d Santillana,
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  and German anthropologist,
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  Hertha
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  von De Chan, had much to say about
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  such alignments, drawing on star
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  lore and mythological traditions from such diverse places
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  as North and South America, Polynesia,
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  Egypt, and Mesopotamia,
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  they gathered together compelling evidence to suggest that
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  there once existed
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  a collective
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  understanding
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  regarding the soul's journey to the afterlife via
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  the Milky Way.
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  This, they proposed, was accessed via 2 sky
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  gates corresponding
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  to where the elliptic,
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  the sun's annual path through the zodiacal constellations,
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  crossed this starry stream making the outer rim
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  of our own Milky Way galaxy.
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  One of these sky gates was located in
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  the vicinity of the Scorpius, Sagittarius,
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  and Ophiuchus,
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  with the other on the opposite side of
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  the sky close to the constellations of Gemini,
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  Taurus, and Orion,
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  and the cluster of 7 stars known as
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  the Pleiades.
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  Both sky gates became accessible to the land
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  of the living
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  when they lined up with the local horizon
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  at the time of the summer and winter
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  solstice.
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  And then you go on to talk about
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  the alignments of Karahamtepay
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  fitting into this model quite nicely, but it's
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  that last part I hoped you could elaborate
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  on. Both sky gates became accessible to the
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  land of the living when they lined up
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  with the local horizon at the time of
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  the summer and winter solstice.
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  I mean, what does that really mean? Because
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  that is
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  quite bizarre. It seems like a natural cosmic
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  timekeeping system that opens
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  portals to the sky world that is just
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  completely lost today.
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  I mean, when we talk in terms of
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  alignments
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  at ancient sites, you know, we think of
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  places like Stonehenge
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  that's aligned to the the summer solstice sunrise,
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  and at the same time, the winter solstice
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  sunset.
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  We think of Newgrange, the huge passage grave
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  in the Boyne Valley of Ireland, which was
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  built about 3,000 BC, the same time as
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  Stonehenge. That's aligned to the winter solstice sunrise.
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  And if you're inside its chamber,
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  at this time, the sun will come along
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  this long thin corridor
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  and hit
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  these carvings at the back of the chamber.
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  An incredible experience and would have had massive
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  symbolic value for these people.
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  You know, we also think of the moon.
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  There are sites that are aligned to the
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  maximum
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  points in the 18.61
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  year cycle of the moon.
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  And we also think of stars. You know,
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  we know that Orion
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  was
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  used prominently
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  in the orientation
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  of ancient sites worldwide, most obviously at Giza,
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  although I have my own views on that.
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  But
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  the key is that these are not done
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  simply for the sake of it. I mean,
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  firstly,
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  these alignments are done to synchronize,
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  you know, the day to day living
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  or the yearly growth cycle of people on
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  earth
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  to to synchronize
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  their life with the celestial bodies. In other
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  words, that they're a part of the sky
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  themself, a case of as above, so below.
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  You know, that famous old axiom.
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  But it's more than that because
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  these people believed that there were 3 different
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  worlds. When I say these people, I mean,
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  this is a universal belief that's found
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  amongst Native American peoples, amongst
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  Siberian and Mongolian
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  shamans. It's in
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  Eastern Europe,
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  and it would seem to have been at
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  places like Gobekli Tepe and Kara Han Tepe.
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  And this is the concept that there were
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  3 different worlds. There is our world, the
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  middle earth.
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  There is a lower world,
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  which we often refer to as the underworld,
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  but there is also the sky world or
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  the upper world.
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  And all of these are linked via
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  some kind of
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  means, whether it be a tree,
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  like in Norse tradition, you have the uttrosil
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  tree, the gray ash tree that links the
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  3 worlds.
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  It could be something like a sky pole,
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  you know, a symbolic pole that would be
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  erected
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  that shamans would literally climb
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  to actually reach the top to believe that
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  they were entering into the sky world.
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  And the lower world was accessed via things
• 18:42
  like pools of water or springs
• 18:44
  or holes in the ground that would open
• 18:46
  up when trees were knocked down
• 18:48
  during thunderstorms
• 18:50
  and hurricanes and stuff like that. So there
• 18:52
  were these 3 different worlds, but how did
• 18:55
  you get to the sky world? And the
• 18:57
  way that you got to the sky world
• 18:59
  was via something that we don't even think
• 19:01
  about very much today, and that's the Milky
• 19:03
  Way. You know, when we look outside here,
• 19:05
  I mean, I live in an urban environment.
• 19:08
  You know, I can see the stars.
• 19:10
  I can see Orion. I can see Ursa
• 19:12
  Major.
• 19:13
  I can see a few other bright stars
• 19:15
  and obviously the planets
• 19:17
  at night.
• 19:18
  But what I cannot see is the Milky
• 19:21
  Way, and this is the edge of our
• 19:23
  own Milky Way galaxy.
• 19:26
  You know, if you can imagine that we
• 19:28
  live in a galaxy that looks a bit
• 19:29
  like a dinner plate,
• 19:31
  and if we're sort of somewhere towards the
• 19:34
  center of that dinner plate, we're not exactly
• 19:36
  at the center. We're actually 26 1,000 light
• 19:38
  years away from the center. But if you
• 19:40
  can imagine looking out to the edges of
• 19:43
  that plate,
• 19:44
  that's what the Milky Way is. It's the
• 19:46
  thick clusters of stars and galaxies
• 19:49
  that are on the very edge of that
• 19:51
  galaxy. And to us, it looks like a
• 19:54
  band, you know, a ring that encircles the
• 19:57
  Earth, or certainly that's the way that it
• 19:59
  looked in the past.
• 20:01
  And there's no way that the ancients would
• 20:03
  have ignored this.
• 20:04
  And
• 20:05
  the sun crosses it
• 20:08
  two times of the year,
• 20:09
  as you mentioned,
• 20:11
  in
• 20:12
  the time of Sagittarius
• 20:14
  and Scorpius on one side of the sky,
• 20:16
  and then around 6 months later in the
• 20:19
  area of Taurus, Gemini,
• 20:22
  which brings in the constellations
• 20:24
  of Orion, but also the Pleiades star cluster.
• 20:27
  So they're they're on opposite sides of the
• 20:29
  sky.
• 20:30
  And what happened was that
• 20:32
  when
• 20:33
  the Milky Way synchronized
• 20:35
  at this time, when the sun crossed it,
• 20:38
  obviously, the the sunrises or sunsets of the
• 20:41
  solstices,
• 20:42
  that was the time that you could quite
• 20:44
  literally
• 20:46
  either walk or make some leap of faith
• 20:49
  onto the Milky Way that would then allow
• 20:51
  you passage along the Milky Way towards some
• 20:55
  central point.
• 20:57
  And that central point
• 20:59
  was almost always the same, and it was
• 21:02
  where the Milky Way actually splits into 2
• 21:05
  separate streams.
• 21:07
  And that's in the vicinity of a constellation
• 21:09
  that we know today as the northern cross
• 21:12
  or Cygnus.
• 21:14
  Cygnus,
• 21:15
  the stars
• 21:16
  come together to form a celestial bird.
• 21:19
  It's a bird that's almost always associated with
• 21:23
  2 things.
• 21:24
  The human soul,
• 21:26
  it's like the soul as it takes flight
• 21:28
  as a bird.
• 21:30
  In the Middle East, it was a vulture.
• 21:32
  In America, it was the eagle,
• 21:35
  the turkey vulture in Europe. And in Siberia,
• 21:38
  it was the swan or the goose.
• 21:40
  And in other parts of the world,
• 21:42
  exotic birds like the bird of paradise, for
• 21:44
  instance, in the Pacific.
• 21:46
  But they all represented the human soul. But
• 21:49
  the other aspect to do with Cygnus was
• 21:52
  that it was a bird of creation.
• 21:54
  It was seen that creation
• 21:55
  began in that area of the sky. Why?
• 21:58
  Well, the answer to that
• 22:00
  comes from the fact that the stars move
• 22:04
  against
• 22:04
  the background of the Earth itself over a
• 22:07
  cycle,
• 22:08
  which that book that you mentioned, Hamlet's Mill,
• 22:11
  makes blatantly clear was something that was important
• 22:14
  to the ancients,
• 22:15
  and the a lot of their lore and
• 22:17
  legends to do with the sky built around
• 22:20
  the movement
• 22:21
  of the stars, the starry background
• 22:23
  against the position of the sun. It's a
• 22:26
  cycle processional cycle, 26000
• 22:28
  years it takes.
• 22:30
  And
• 22:31
  in the past,
• 22:33
  the pole star, which is today
• 22:35
  Polaris in the constellation of Ursa Minor,
• 22:39
  was in other constellations.
• 22:41
  It moves around in a circle. And around
• 22:44
  17000 years ago, it precisely aligned
• 22:47
  not just with Cygnus,
• 22:49
  but also
• 22:50
  with the Milky Way by virtue of that
• 22:53
  because,
• 22:54
  obviously, Cygnus is on the Milky Way. So
• 22:56
  each night, as you'd have gone outside,
• 22:58
  you would have seen the Milky Way turning
• 23:01
  like some
• 23:02
  celestial
• 23:03
  propeller
• 23:04
  around
• 23:05
  the center point of the sky, and this
• 23:07
  must have been something that was incredible
• 23:09
  to behold.
• 23:11
  It doesn't happen today at all. You know?
• 23:13
  In other words, we can't get any idea
• 23:15
  of this.
• 23:16
  So that center point
• 23:18
  of that cosmic propeller, if you like, the
• 23:21
  turning point of the heavens was seen
• 23:24
  as the place of entry into the sky
• 23:27
  world. But you couldn't just go there, you
• 23:29
  had to do it via
• 23:30
  the Milky Way, and there were two places
• 23:33
  in the sky that you could do that.
• 23:34
  The area of Sagittarius and Scorpius
• 23:37
  and the area of Gemini and Taurus on
• 23:39
  the other side of the sky. These were
• 23:41
  the leap off points,
• 23:42
  and different cultures favored 1 or the other.
• 23:45
  What we have at Gobekli Tepe, for instance,
• 23:49
  is evidence that they favored
• 23:52
  the direction of
• 23:54
  Sagittarius and Scorpius.
• 23:56
  This is seen in pillar 43 at Gobekli
• 23:59
  Tepe. You've got this huge scorpion,
• 24:01
  and you've got this guy
• 24:03
  sitting on the back of a vulture
• 24:05
  being led into the sky world where there's
• 24:07
  another big vulture
• 24:09
  waiting for him.
• 24:11
  But
• 24:12
  Karahantepai,
• 24:13
  you can see this within alignments.
• 24:16
  I mean, almost immediately that I saw an
• 24:19
  aerial view of the excavations at Karahant back
• 24:21
  at the end of 2021.
• 24:24
  I noticed that one of the enclosures, the
• 24:26
  3 interconnected enclosures that are all rock cut
• 24:29
  cut out of the actual
• 24:31
  bedrock
• 24:32
  actually aligns
• 24:34
  towards sunset
• 24:36
  at the time of the summer solstice.
• 24:38
  Now that's amazing in itself and possibly would
• 24:41
  have been arguably one of the oldest alignments
• 24:44
  towards the sun anywhere in the world.
• 24:46
  But if you remained in that position,
• 24:49
  looking in the same direction that the sun
• 24:51
  has just set,
• 24:53
  2 hours later, when it gets dark, you
• 24:55
  would have beheld a wonderful sight. And that
• 24:58
  would have been the Milky Way
• 25:00
  rising vertically up in the sky
• 25:02
  with the 2 streams
• 25:05
  right in front of you, in the middle
• 25:06
  of which is what's known as the Cygnus
• 25:08
  or the dark rift.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:10
  the stars of Scorpius would have just set.
• 25:13
  Those of Sagittarius would have been right in
• 25:15
  view,
• 25:16
  and you would have been able to make
• 25:18
  that leap of faith
• 25:19
  to the Milky Way and climb
• 25:22
  up the Cygnus rift to the stars of
• 25:25
  Cygnus and enter into the sky world.
• 25:28
  So this is obviously planned. This is not
• 25:30
  something that's coincidence
• 25:32
  and forms part of what was quite clearly
• 25:35
  some kind of sky religion
• 25:38
  that these people adhere to as much as
• 25:40
  10 to 12000 years ago.
• 25:43
  So this is something that we eventually will
• 25:46
  find all over the world with monuments that
• 25:49
  are built after this time, but you're dealing
• 25:52
  with a universal
• 25:54
  idea
• 25:55
  of entering the sky world that's in every
• 25:58
  continent, I would say. I mean, clearly, if
• 26:00
  you go south of the equator, things start
• 26:03
  changing because everybody's focusing on the southern
• 26:06
  stars and, obviously, the southern celestial pole. But
• 26:09
  in the northern hemisphere,
• 26:11
  this was the basic cosmological
• 26:15
  principle that all of these ancient cultures would
• 26:17
  have adhered to.
• 26:19
  Yeah. Wow. What a summary.
• 26:21
  It sounds way more powerful than putting the
• 26:24
  stars up on a digital screen in a
• 26:25
  planetarium like we do today and get impressed
• 26:28
  by that. But, man, yes,
• 26:30
  birds are big symbols as are snakes. And
• 26:34
  when you talk about the bean
• 26:37
  that it seems like they might have been
• 26:38
  in communication with at Karahantepe,
• 26:41
  you used the term snake genius several times
• 26:45
  and I love that term.
• 26:47
  And snakes are also, like, so core to
• 26:51
  symbolism
• 26:52
  and
• 26:53
  shamanic and religious traditions from the Garden of
• 26:55
  Eden and the Ayahuasca ritual to even things
• 26:57
  like the Kundalini experience.
• 27:00
  This is a major theme when we bring
• 27:02
  in esoteric
• 27:03
  energies, and
• 27:05
  you've talked about how Karahenthepe
• 27:07
  there's images in the book. The whole site,
• 27:10
  the
• 27:11
  shrine pillar or the pillar shrine is kind
• 27:14
  of looks like a snake head when you
• 27:16
  get that bird's eye view, and then there's
• 27:19
  a little chasm that looks like a snake
• 27:21
  body. It's pretty impressive, but there's also a
• 27:25
  giant stone human head in the pillar shrine.
• 27:28
  And I just wanted to quote the book
• 27:29
  here. You write, the giant stone head emerging
• 27:32
  from the west wall of Karahantepe's
• 27:34
  pillar shrine
• 27:35
  is, I suspect, a physical representation of the
• 27:38
  Milky Way Serpent's active spirit.
• 27:41
  If this is correct, then the stone head
• 27:43
  would presumably have been a focal point for
• 27:46
  anyone wishing to communicate with this perceived intelligence
• 27:50
  in the form of either a snake genius
• 27:52
  or of an anthropomorphic
• 27:54
  being with serpentine qualities.
• 27:56
  A direct historical
• 27:58
  comparison
• 27:59
  with what might have been happening at Karahentepi
• 28:02
  is, I believe, the
• 28:04
  oracular communications
• 28:05
  recorded as having taken place in pre classical
• 28:08
  and classical times at Delphi in Greece.
• 28:11
  Very interesting. Obviously, that's an example
• 28:14
  everyone knows, so there's a good analogy there
• 28:16
  that there is a strong history of
• 28:19
  having a ritual space where you commune with
• 28:22
  an intelligence that's nonhuman
• 28:24
  reliably,
• 28:26
  seemingly
• 28:27
  the same one over and over again.
• 28:29
  But
• 28:30
  talk to us about this. I mean, I
• 28:32
  just laid a lot out there. I summarized
• 28:33
  a huge chunk of the book, but this
• 28:36
  snake genius.
• 28:38
  Well, I suppose
• 28:39
  you have
• 28:41
  to look at Karahantapa and say what was
• 28:43
  going on here,
• 28:44
  9000
• 28:45
  BC, 11000
• 28:46
  years ago.
• 28:47
  And the first clear indication
• 28:50
  is that there are snakes everywhere.
• 28:53
  There are carved snakes. There are incised snakes.
• 28:56
  There's
• 28:57
  carved
• 28:58
  rats going into the ground that are serpentine
• 29:00
  in nature.
• 29:01
  There is the huge stone head that you've
• 29:03
  talked about, which is
• 29:05
  like something out of Beetlejuice, basically, coming out
• 29:08
  of the wall of the pillar shrine. I
• 29:10
  mean, you know, like a a snake body
• 29:12
  with a human head, a giant human head,
• 29:14
  3 times the size of a normal human
• 29:16
  head.
• 29:18
  And, yeah, you have to say to yourself,
• 29:20
  what are these people trying to do here?
• 29:22
  What are they trying to achieve?
• 29:24
  Well,
• 29:25
  if you look at the pillar shrine itself
• 29:27
  as you pointed out, it's actually the shape
• 29:30
  of the head
• 29:32
  of
• 29:32
  an actual snake.
• 29:34
  And the only way that you would have
• 29:35
  been able to get into that pillar shrine
• 29:37
  in the past, because we think it probably
• 29:39
  had a roof,
• 29:40
  is through this tiny little pothole
• 29:43
  right at the front of the mouth, if
• 29:45
  you like.
• 29:46
  So the shaman would have come from the
• 29:48
  big elliptical enclosure
• 29:50
  that you find there
• 29:52
  and literally crawled their way through this little
• 29:55
  hole going inside the pillar shrine.
• 29:59
  And there you have these 10
• 30:02
  standing pillars that have been cut out of
• 30:04
  the bedrock itself,
• 30:06
  which is an incredible
• 30:07
  feat. I mean, to even attempt this,
• 30:11
  there is an 11th pillar as well that
• 30:13
  looks like a raised serpent that comes out
• 30:15
  of the ground that, you know, it looks
• 30:17
  like the full tongue of the actual snake
• 30:20
  itself.
• 30:21
  So you're inside the head of a snake
• 30:23
  now. You know, why would you do this?
• 30:25
  Why would you put yourself
• 30:27
  in the head of a snake? I mean,
• 30:29
  under any normal circumstances,
• 30:31
  this is madness and would only lead to
• 30:33
  bad things.
• 30:34
  But I think what they were trying to
• 30:36
  do is
• 30:37
  exactly this. They were trying to be eaten
• 30:40
  by this snake on a symbolic level or
• 30:43
  certainly on a shamanic or astral level.
• 30:47
  What I mean by this is that
• 30:49
  if you're being consumed by this snake
• 30:52
  and quite literally passing
• 30:54
  into its body, into its DNA, if you
• 30:57
  like,
• 30:58
  then that brings you at one with it.
• 31:01
  So
• 31:02
  what
• 31:03
  kind of snake genius are we talking about
• 31:05
  here? And by the way, the the term
• 31:07
  snake genius essentially means a spirit in the
• 31:09
  form of a snake. In other words, a
• 31:11
  snake that can quite literally talk to you,
• 31:14
  most obviously with a human head so that
• 31:16
  it can actually talk in in a sort
• 31:18
  of a human language. Because I'm sure in
• 31:21
  the past,
• 31:22
  people
• 31:23
  thought that snakes, you know, just hissed. So
• 31:25
  if they had a human head, then they
• 31:27
  could talk to us directly.
• 31:28
  But
• 31:30
  can we identify this state that they were
• 31:32
  interested in, this state genius? Well,
• 31:35
  I thought about this long enough, and I
• 31:36
  realized that it was connected
• 31:38
  with this area of the sky
• 31:40
  around the area of Sagittarius and Scorpius and
• 31:43
  Ophiuchus.
• 31:44
  And what was clear
• 31:46
  is that this area was steeped in
• 31:50
  Skylar to do with snakes.
• 31:52
  Ophiuchus, which is often known as the 13th
• 31:54
  sign of the zodiac,
• 31:56
  holds a snake known as Sapiens,
• 31:59
  and this is formed out of stars that
• 32:01
  run through this particular constellation,
• 32:04
  Scorpius itself.
• 32:05
  Although we know as a scorpion, generally,
• 32:09
  many ancient cultures saw it as a snake,
• 32:13
  including in Native America, for instance. I mean,
• 32:16
  the serpent mound in Adams County, Ohio.
• 32:20
  That's been identified
• 32:21
  as a form of Scorpio, for instance, because
• 32:25
  at the time of the summer solstice,
• 32:27
  when the head of that snake was aligned
• 32:30
  to the sun as it set,
• 32:32
  that same night, Scorpio would have been prominent
• 32:35
  in the sky
• 32:37
  directly south, and it's been proposed
• 32:40
  that the earth mound itself, this effigy mound,
• 32:42
  is a representation
• 32:43
  of
• 32:44
  Scorpius in its role as a snake. But
• 32:47
  in many other countries as well,
• 32:49
  this area of the sky is associated with
• 32:51
  the snake, you know, the Scorpius.
• 32:53
  I realized that, but then I realized something
• 32:55
  much more obvious,
• 32:57
  and that is that the Milky Way itself
• 32:59
  was seen as the snake.
• 33:01
  And once I started looking that up,
• 33:04
  cultures from India to Mesopotamia
• 33:06
  to North America to Mexico
• 33:09
  to South America,
• 33:11
  and in other parts of the world, even
• 33:12
  in Greece.
• 33:14
  The Milky Way was seen as a huge
• 33:17
  cosmic
• 33:18
  serpent.
• 33:19
  It was known as the world encircling
• 33:23
  snake or the world encircling. The ouroboros symbol.
• 33:26
  The ouroboros
• 33:27
  in Egyptian or Greco Egyptian tradition.
• 33:30
  And if you look into north mythology,
• 33:33
  it is what's known as the Midgard Serpent.
• 33:36
  And this fall part of this whole tradition
• 33:40
  to do with the 3 worlds, the upper
• 33:41
  world, the middle world, and the lower world.
• 33:44
  If you look online and put Yutrisil, you
• 33:46
  know, the world tree
• 33:48
  of Norse mythology,
• 33:49
  you'll see a really great image that comes
• 33:51
  up that shows the tree. It shows the
• 33:54
  middle earth. It shows the sky world in
• 33:56
  the upper branches of the tree. It shows
• 33:58
  the lower world going down into the roots.
• 34:01
  And surrounding it all, you have the Midgard
• 34:03
  Serpent,
• 34:04
  and you have an ocean beyond that. Now
• 34:07
  this is not the terrestrial ocean.
• 34:09
  This is what's known as the cosmic
• 34:11
  ocean.
• 34:12
  The cosmic ocean was thought to exist
• 34:16
  before
• 34:17
  the physical
• 34:18
  universe came into being.
• 34:20
  And in some strange way, this is a
• 34:23
  intuitive
• 34:25
  idea
• 34:26
  of what we would call the big bang,
• 34:28
  really.
• 34:29
  Because certain theories
• 34:30
  within that suggest that prior
• 34:33
  to the coming into being of our physical
• 34:36
  universe,
• 34:36
  there existed
• 34:38
  this state
• 34:39
  known as the bulk, which is 11 dimensional
• 34:42
  in nature.
• 34:43
  And that manifesting
• 34:45
  into this 11 dimensional realm
• 34:48
  was something that in string theory, they referred
• 34:51
  to as as a brane, you know, b
• 34:53
  r a n e.
• 34:54
  And that this
• 34:56
  inflates like a balloon
• 34:58
  or a bubble.
• 35:00
  And into this, our physical universe came into
• 35:03
  being, and it has its own laws of
• 35:05
  physics, which are 3 dimensions of space and
• 35:08
  one of time.
• 35:10
  But within it, somehow, compactified
• 35:12
  are all those higher dimensions as well.
• 35:15
  But the
• 35:16
  other universes can exist, and this is, in
• 35:19
  many ways, exactly what
• 35:21
  many ancient cosmologists
• 35:23
  talk about. That this cosmic ocean, which was
• 35:25
  known as the primordial
• 35:27
  chaos
• 35:28
  or the primordial
• 35:29
  void, existed
• 35:30
  prior to the coming into being of the
• 35:32
  physical universe.
• 35:34
  And it's often said that the being
• 35:37
  responsible for this took the form of a
• 35:41
  snake or serpent, which became
• 35:43
  a world encircling
• 35:45
  serpent. And
• 35:46
  if you look up the gnostic snake egg,
• 35:49
  you know, you'll see this beautiful image of
• 35:50
  an egg with a serpent called around it.
• 35:53
  That egg is our universe
• 35:55
  before that
• 35:57
  egg breaks open
• 35:58
  and forms the vault of heaven, but also
• 36:01
  the earth itself and also
• 36:03
  the lower world.
• 36:04
  Again, these are ideas which although you might
• 36:07
  say, well, you know, surely they're 1000 of
• 36:09
  years after the time of Karahantapai, and they
• 36:12
  are. Of course, they are. But they're universal,
• 36:15
  which means that you're looking at something that
• 36:17
  probably has an origin
• 36:19
  going
• 36:20
  back
• 36:21
  into the last ice site. So in other
• 36:23
  words,
• 36:24
  more than 12000 years old, and that would
• 36:26
  probably have been universal, not only across the
• 36:29
  Eurasian
• 36:30
  continent in the past, but also through into
• 36:33
  the Americas, which remember
• 36:35
  was linked
• 36:36
  with
• 36:37
  the Eurasian continent via the Beringia
• 36:41
  land bridge.
• 36:42
  And this was closed up only about 9
• 36:44
  to 10000 BC. So there would have been
• 36:46
  a flow of peoples,
• 36:48
  you know, going probably from Europe all the
• 36:50
  way across
• 36:51
  into Russia, Siberia, obviously,
• 36:54
  across into Alaska, into the Americas.
• 36:57
  Yeah. This is obviously the standard model
• 36:59
  of the population of the Americas.
• 37:02
  But, of course, with this would have come
• 37:04
  all of these traditions that preexisted.
• 37:07
  Yeah. You can find so many links, for
• 37:08
  instance,
• 37:09
  between the shamanism
• 37:11
  of Siberia
• 37:12
  and Mongolia, for instance, and that of North
• 37:15
  America. I mean, they are almost exactly the
• 37:18
  same,
• 37:19
  and this is something that would have been
• 37:21
  shared
• 37:22
  at least 12000
• 37:23
  years ago, maybe even as much as 40000
• 37:26
  years ago.
• 37:28
  Man,
• 37:29
  it does go deep. And, you know, the
• 37:31
  occultists also have a very similar model for
• 37:34
  their cosmology
• 37:35
  with the dot and the circle that consciousness
• 37:38
  was at one point, and then it pushed
• 37:40
  itself out in a big bang kind of
• 37:43
  way, but it's just kinda more of an
• 37:44
  animist
• 37:45
  viewpoint of the same sort of model. This
• 37:47
  expanding from a single point
• 37:50
  came everything.
• 37:51
  And I wanted to jump over to the
• 37:53
  mystery of the alabaster bowl because to make
• 37:54
  the case that this kind of ritual activity
• 37:57
  and
• 37:59
  activity and ritual activity is happening at Karahantep'e
• 38:02
  is strengthened by just pointing out that it
• 38:05
  happened
• 38:06
  all over the place and in many different
• 38:07
  places.
• 38:09
  And you write here that there are very
• 38:11
  few artifacts directly related to the
• 38:14
  Ophite Gnostics,
• 38:15
  and we know very little
• 38:17
  about what these
• 38:18
  heretic Christians did in their mystical rites and
• 38:21
  shamanic rituals. But this bowl
• 38:23
  that is believed to be a relic of
• 38:25
  their mystery schools might tell us a little
• 38:28
  bit. It is a round bowl with 16
• 38:31
  naked people
• 38:32
  sitting in a circle with their feet towards
• 38:35
  the center, and in the center, like a
• 38:37
  bull's eye, is a very strange winged
• 38:40
  serpent creature. I mean, we talked about birds.
• 38:43
  We talked about snakes. Sometimes those symbols are
• 38:45
  combined, and then we have the dragon lore
• 38:47
  all over the place. But, yes, a winged
• 38:49
  serpent creature
• 38:50
  that seems to be in a ball of
• 38:53
  light with rays coming out and touching each
• 38:56
  person's feet.
• 38:58
  If I was trying to illustrate
• 39:00
  a group
• 39:02
  communication
• 39:03
  ritual with a winged serpent being of light,
• 39:05
  I don't think I could do a better
• 39:07
  job than what is depicted
• 39:10
  on this bowl.
• 39:11
  Talk to us about this relic and what
• 39:13
  it means to you because it kinda suggests
• 39:15
  that there's this point where, you know, you're
• 39:17
  making a big site like Karatepe,
• 39:20
  people are gonna know about it. And it
• 39:22
  seems like maybe this kind of ritualization and
• 39:24
  communication was democratized or more widespread.
• 39:28
  And then, of course, authorities want to suppress
• 39:30
  such a thing, it seems, like, at some
• 39:32
  point, and then it goes into the mystery
• 39:34
  schools and it's more underground.
• 39:37
  And this relic seems to be
• 39:39
  kind of,
• 39:41
  evidence of this maybe turning point of, at
• 39:44
  least this next chapter where it is more
• 39:46
  a suppressed thing, but we have this one
• 39:49
  mysterious bowl from the gnostics.
• 39:51
  Yeah.
• 39:52
  I'm gonna have to go back to Karahan
• 39:55
  to explain why that this is so important.
• 39:57
  Because
• 39:58
  the question is, this Milky Way serpent, did
• 40:02
  it really exist? Was it an intelligence in
• 40:04
  its own right? Well,
• 40:06
  the area of its head
• 40:08
  corresponded with something that we know as galactic
• 40:11
  center or the galactic bulge.
• 40:14
  This is in the area of Scorpius and
• 40:16
  Sagittarius.
• 40:18
  And in the past, this would have looked
• 40:21
  like some kind
• 40:22
  of celestial light bulb in the sky.
• 40:25
  And because right through the center of it
• 40:28
  is the Cygnus rift or the dark rift,
• 40:31
  It looks like it's an open mouth creature,
• 40:35
  and very often this creature was associated
• 40:37
  with the head of a snake
• 40:39
  or serpent.
• 40:41
  I mean, it can be identified as other
• 40:43
  animals as well, but mostly it was as
• 40:46
  a snake.
• 40:47
  So the head
• 40:48
  of the Milky Way Serpent was the galactic
• 40:52
  bulge. This corresponds with galactic center.
• 40:55
  What we know about galactic center, the center
• 40:57
  of our own Milky Way galaxy, is that
• 40:59
  there is a huge
• 41:01
  supermassive
• 41:02
  black hole there
• 41:03
  known as
• 41:05
  Sagittarius
• 41:06
  a star in astronomical
• 41:08
  circles.
• 41:10
  And there have been proposals,
• 41:12
  most notably
• 41:13
  by the great free thinker of our times,
• 41:16
  Rupert Sheldrake,
• 41:18
  that this supermassive black hole
• 41:21
  could be an intelligent being in its own
• 41:24
  right, that it has its own consciousness.
• 41:27
  And this forms into the
• 41:29
  idea known as panpsychism,
• 41:31
  and that is the everything has consciousness.
• 41:34
  You know, every tree, every
• 41:36
  rock, every place in the landscape, every well,
• 41:40
  every hill,
• 41:41
  But as well as the sun, the moon,
• 41:43
  you know, stars,
• 41:45
  neutron stars, they've all got consciousness in some
• 41:48
  way, shape, or another. We just haven't recognized
• 41:51
  that until now.
• 41:54
  So it could well be that the center
• 41:56
  of our galaxy is a intelligence
• 41:59
  that is almost like a localized form of
• 42:02
  god, if you like. Okay? I mean,
• 42:04
  let's call it that.
• 42:06
  So bearing that in mind, is it possible
• 42:08
  that the people of Karahantapai
• 42:10
  were intuitively
• 42:12
  aware
• 42:13
  that
• 42:14
  their own particular higher intelligence
• 42:16
  was connected with the head of the Milky
• 42:20
  Way Serpent
• 42:21
  and, thus, the direction of galactic center? I
• 42:24
  think the answer is definitely yes.
• 42:27
  So coming forward in time, what happened to
• 42:30
  the knowledge of the people of Karahantabay?
• 42:34
  Well, it seems to have filtered down
• 42:37
  through certain
• 42:39
  huge
• 42:40
  ritual centers in the area of
• 42:43
  Karahant and Gobekli.
• 42:45
  One of those is the ancient city of
• 42:48
  Haran,
• 42:49
  and this is in the center of this
• 42:51
  huge
• 42:51
  plain.
• 42:53
  And this was the clearing house
• 42:56
  through until
• 42:57
  probably
• 42:58
  the middle ages
• 43:00
  of incredible
• 43:01
  knowledge and wisdom
• 43:03
  that would eventually
• 43:04
  come to find its way into everything from
• 43:08
  Hermetica
• 43:09
  to
• 43:10
  gnosticism
• 43:11
  and various mystery schools, including the tarot, interestingly
• 43:15
  enough.
• 43:17
  And
• 43:17
  the knowledge there,
• 43:19
  I think, goes all the way back to
• 43:21
  Karahantapai.
• 43:22
  I mean, to start off with Haran,
• 43:24
  the oldest occupational mound on the site,
• 43:27
  goes back to about 8,000 BC.
• 43:30
  So we know that it was occupied
• 43:32
  right at the tail end of the occupation
• 43:35
  of Karahantepay
• 43:36
  and Gobekli Tepe, which was around that day,
• 43:39
  around 8,000 BC.
• 43:41
  And it's my belief that people were carrying
• 43:44
  forward ideas at Haran and also at the
• 43:47
  nearby city of Ulfa,
• 43:49
  which is modern day Schallerfa,
• 43:52
  which we'll come on to separately. These are
• 43:54
  known as the cities of the Chaldeans. The
• 43:56
  Chaldeans
• 43:57
  were the ancient
• 43:58
  astronomers, the ancient astrologers,
• 44:01
  the ancient soothsayers,
• 44:03
  and wisdom bringers
• 44:05
  of this region,
• 44:07
  and they created
• 44:08
  Gnosticism.
• 44:10
  Gnosticism
• 44:11
  focused around the idea
• 44:14
  that there was a localized form of god
• 44:17
  that took the shape of a snake, a
• 44:19
  serpent,
• 44:20
  which they called the good serpent.
• 44:22
  But this was only acting on behalf
• 44:25
  of an invisible
• 44:27
  god
• 44:28
  that was beyond it,
• 44:29
  that was seen almost like a sort of
• 44:31
  invisible sun
• 44:33
  that sort of radiated out its beams of
• 44:36
  influence,
• 44:37
  but that it was beyond
• 44:39
  our comprehension,
• 44:41
  and we needed an interface
• 44:43
  to connect with god. Now the gnostics,
• 44:46
  the
• 44:47
  just simply means serpent.
• 44:49
  These serpent worshipers
• 44:51
  believed that the snake
• 44:53
  was literally the son of God, the role
• 44:55
  that Jesus would eventually take within, obviously,
• 44:59
  the more orthodox
• 45:00
  conventional forms of Christianity.
• 45:03
  And that that snake
• 45:05
  could give them knowledge
• 45:07
  of this supernal
• 45:09
  son.
• 45:10
  You know, in other words, of God himself,
• 45:12
  and this was known as the nowas or
• 45:14
  the gnosis,
• 45:15
  the knowledge of God himself. In other words,
• 45:18
  what was really, really going on out there,
• 45:21
  and that this is what I think the
• 45:23
  people of Karahantapai
• 45:25
  were trying to achieve themself.
• 45:27
  But not just knowledge and wisdom,
• 45:30
  which I think that they achieved through shamanic
• 45:32
  experiences
• 45:33
  that would have involved almost certainly the use
• 45:36
  of hallucinogenic
• 45:37
  drugs, the use of constant repetitive
• 45:40
  sound,
• 45:41
  probably sensory deprivation,
• 45:44
  possibly even the use of ritual poles. We
• 45:47
  think that some of these
• 45:49
  enclosures at Karahantapai
• 45:51
  almost certainly had water in them. And the,
• 45:53
  you know, the shamans or the initiates would
• 45:55
  have to go into this water possibly for
• 45:58
  days on end
• 45:59
  to quite literally get out of their heads
• 46:01
  and experience this communication
• 46:03
  with this higher intelligence in the form of
• 46:05
  a snake.
• 46:07
  But these ideas are filtered down into the
• 46:10
  gnostic
• 46:11
  beliefs, and the alabaster bowl that we're talking
• 46:14
  about surfaced
• 46:15
  in the mid 19th century
• 46:18
  and was, you know, commented
• 46:20
  by various scholars at the time,
• 46:23
  and this continued through
• 46:25
  into the 20th century.
• 46:27
  It's originally found in the 19th century and
• 46:29
  then obviously
• 46:30
  was written about in detail in 20th.
• 46:33
  You described it. You know, it's got these
• 46:36
  16 figures,
• 46:38
  male and female, naked with their feet
• 46:41
  touching
• 46:42
  this you know, I mean, it looks like
• 46:43
  a flower, but it's probably the sun itself.
• 46:46
  It has 32
• 46:47
  rays coming out of it. So one each
• 46:49
  for all of the feet of the individuals,
• 46:52
  and sitting right on that is the cosmic
• 46:55
  serpent itself.
• 46:56
  You know, these people are clearly bathing themselves
• 47:00
  in this energy
• 47:01
  that's coming from the supernal sun. And let's
• 47:04
  say these are not my mad ideas.
• 47:08
  The gnostic scholars
• 47:10
  that have looked at this in great detail
• 47:12
  have concluded exactly that.
• 47:14
  And I think that what you are looking
• 47:16
  at here
• 47:18
  is a stylized representation
• 47:20
  of exactly what was going on at Karah
• 47:22
  and Tepai
• 47:23
  as much as 11 to 12000 years ago.
• 47:26
  And I think that's quite extraordinary.
• 47:28
  And I think that it's all come through.
• 47:31
  Places like Haran
• 47:33
  and Ufa, which in the bible was known
• 47:35
  as the city of Edessa, by the way.
• 47:39
  And, yeah, these places are incredibly important
• 47:42
  for having kept alive
• 47:44
  all of this ancient wisdom
• 47:46
  and then passing it on to new generations
• 47:49
  through new cults, new religions,
• 47:51
  new ideas,
• 47:53
  which
• 47:54
  meant that it was available
• 47:56
  through right the way
• 47:57
  until
• 47:58
  late antiquity. In other words, the time of
• 48:01
  the first Christians, the first gnostics,
• 48:03
  which
• 48:04
  meant that these gnostics were connecting
• 48:07
  with an ancient source
• 48:09
  and intelligence
• 48:10
  that
• 48:11
  was real and was out there somewhere in
• 48:14
  the center of our own galaxy.
• 48:16
  Again, they may not have known this, and
• 48:17
  indeed, the gnostics started
• 48:20
  to see this good serpent more associated with
• 48:23
  the northern part of the sky than they
• 48:25
  did the area of galactic center, where they
• 48:28
  saw another serpent, which they called the bad
• 48:31
  serpent. There was the good serpent and the
• 48:32
  bad serpent. So it's clear that these were
• 48:34
  old ideas that they wanted to get away
• 48:36
  from and wanted to reinvent
• 48:39
  the cosmic snake as as to do with
• 48:41
  the pole star and the stars of Draco,
• 48:44
  which were itself a serpent. But
• 48:47
  if you look deeply into those gnostic beliefs,
• 48:49
  they too had this idea of this serpent,
• 48:52
  this snake influence
• 48:54
  connected with the aeroblastic center.
• 48:58
  I love it. You definitely
• 48:59
  know how to talk about this stuff. And
• 49:01
  I wanna ask you a little more about
• 49:04
  plasmas themselves because this is just so key
• 49:06
  because we spend a lot of time talking
• 49:08
  about paranormal
• 49:10
  activity and aliens and all sorts of stuff.
• 49:12
  And plasma might be
• 49:15
  the
• 49:16
  central thing, the composition
• 49:18
  of what these things are made up of.
• 49:21
  You could look at occult literature and grimoires
• 49:24
  and people drawing pentagrams on the ground and
• 49:26
  summoning something,
• 49:28
  and it's a beam of light, and it's
• 49:30
  repeatable, and it's probably
• 49:32
  some form of plasma. And then, you know,
• 49:34
  even the abduction phenomenon, UFOs,
• 49:37
  like, it might be everything. It might even
• 49:39
  be
• 49:40
  the source of our
• 49:43
  thoughts about God, which this kind of relates
• 49:45
  here. So I did read the books you
• 49:48
  wrote with Greg Little, and in Origins of
• 49:50
  the Gods, you do write about the Ark
• 49:51
  of the Covenant and the idea that this
• 49:53
  whole
• 49:54
  God thing they called Yahweh
• 49:56
  might have just been one of these plasmas
• 49:59
  they had sustained contact with, probably, you know,
• 50:02
  with the arc's help making it more repeatable.
• 50:05
  And you use the term end state beings,
• 50:07
  and there's a lot of science behind what
• 50:09
  these things could be and their qualities.
• 50:12
  It's a super provocative
• 50:14
  set of ideas, but help people understand this
• 50:17
  a little bit better. I mean, what to
• 50:20
  say plasmas doesn't really tell us a whole
• 50:23
  lot. Where do these plasmas come from? How
• 50:25
  do they emerge? What are their qualities and
• 50:27
  compositions as far as you're concerned?
• 50:29
  Plasma
• 50:30
  is something that probably fills
• 50:33
  90%
• 50:35
  of the whole universe. It's not atomic matter.
• 50:39
  So it's obviously very, very important,
• 50:41
  but we have to go back to the
• 50:43
  big bang again.
• 50:44
  We mentioned it earlier
• 50:47
  because when our universe came into existence,
• 50:50
  it
• 50:51
  created
• 50:53
  not atomic matter to start with, but for
• 50:56
  the first
• 50:58
  380000 years,
• 51:00
  it created
• 51:01
  what's known as
• 51:02
  gluon plasma,
• 51:04
  and this filled the universe itself. There was
• 51:07
  nothing else, just plasma.
• 51:10
  But then very gradually,
• 51:12
  this plasma started slowing down
• 51:15
  and transforming
• 51:16
  into what we know as atomic matter.
• 51:20
  And that atomic matter is what we call
• 51:22
  atoms. Everything that we have around us and
• 51:26
  within us
• 51:27
  is made of atoms,
• 51:30
  and this creates physical matter.
• 51:33
  A physical matter
• 51:35
  is one of the 3
• 51:37
  states of matter that we know and love.
• 51:39
  The other 2, obviously, being liquids,
• 51:42
  which is more fluent version of matter.
• 51:45
  And beyond that, of course, is gas,
• 51:47
  which is, you know, the air around us
• 51:49
  or any gas that comes out of our
• 51:51
  gas cookers or whatever.
• 51:53
  Those are the 3 states of matter, but
• 51:55
  what's known as the full state of matter
• 51:57
  is plasma.
• 51:59
  And plasma,
• 52:00
  if you wanna put it in simple terms,
• 52:03
  it's splitting atoms up
• 52:05
  into 2 parts,
• 52:07
  into what's known as, positive and negative ions.
• 52:11
  The positive ions are the nucleus
• 52:14
  of the atom
• 52:15
  with some of the electrons still flying around
• 52:18
  it,
• 52:19
  and the negative ions are the
• 52:22
  electrons that have become free and are now
• 52:25
  flying around in an excited state.
• 52:28
  And as they do this, they create their
• 52:31
  own magnetic fields around themselves.
• 52:35
  And because they are doing it in bulk
• 52:37
  together,
• 52:38
  this will create almost like a ball of
• 52:40
  light, if you like.
• 52:42
  And
• 52:43
  the reason why the light is there, by
• 52:45
  the way, is because this excitation
• 52:48
  causes the electrons
• 52:50
  to release
• 52:51
  tiny
• 52:52
  photons
• 52:53
  of light. So that's why you see this.
• 52:56
  So plasmas can take the form of balls,
• 53:00
  but
• 53:01
  most people, when they think of plasma balls,
• 53:02
  they think of, let's say, you know, thunderstorms,
• 53:05
  ball lightning.
• 53:06
  Balls that just come in appearance, shoot about,
• 53:09
  cause some damage, and disappear.
• 53:12
  But plasmas or plasmoids, which is the correct
• 53:15
  term for the ball like versions of it,
• 53:18
  can linger much longer, not only in the
• 53:20
  laboratory
• 53:21
  when they are created,
• 53:23
  but also
• 53:24
  outside in the landscape because the landscape
• 53:28
  creates its own
• 53:30
  plasmoids,
• 53:31
  its own plasma constructs,
• 53:33
  and this it does
• 53:34
  through geology.
• 53:36
  Most particular,
• 53:38
  the presence
• 53:39
  of certain types of minerals, such as quartz
• 53:42
  and tourmaline
• 53:43
  that can be pressurized
• 53:45
  into releasing
• 53:47
  their electrons, which are used to create what's
• 53:50
  known as ionospheric
• 53:51
  environments.
• 53:52
  And these are like tinderboxes
• 53:54
  for the creation
• 53:55
  of plasma.
• 53:57
  And the other big factor
• 54:00
  is fault lines.
• 54:02
  The stresses and strains that have fractured the
• 54:04
  earth
• 54:06
  either because of the movement of tectonic plates
• 54:10
  or the movement
• 54:11
  of different rock strata,
• 54:14
  yeah, often due to things like ice ages
• 54:17
  and stuff like this. This will fracture
• 54:20
  the underlying bedrock.
• 54:22
  And once again, this puts huge strains on
• 54:25
  the earth, and this creates these
• 54:28
  ionospheric environments,
• 54:30
  and
• 54:31
  they create plasma
• 54:33
  objects.
• 54:34
  In other words, you will see them more
• 54:37
  likely where there is very specific types of
• 54:40
  geology.
• 54:41
  Certain minerals,
• 54:43
  metals, for instance, that can convey those
• 54:46
  electrons more easily
• 54:47
  through the ground,
• 54:49
  and they break the surface,
• 54:51
  and suddenly they will appear in the air.
• 54:53
  And there's no question
• 54:55
  that many
• 54:56
  UFO or UAP sightings
• 54:59
  can be explained
• 55:00
  as plasmas
• 55:01
  or plasmoids,
• 55:03
  or plasma orbs is one of the terms
• 55:05
  that's used today.
• 55:06
  But they're not just floating balls of light.
• 55:09
  They can show intelligence.
• 55:11
  They unquestionably
• 55:12
  seem to be intelligent in nature.
• 55:15
  There are a number of papers just come
• 55:17
  out in the last year that tell us
• 55:19
  that plasma
• 55:20
  can be intelligent.
• 55:22
  And what this means is that the plasma
• 55:25
  itself isn't intelligent. I mean, plasma is just
• 55:27
  plasma, but what can happen
• 55:30
  is that intelligences
• 55:31
  existing
• 55:32
  on a deeper level of existence
• 55:35
  outside of normal space time
• 55:37
  can occupy the space that's created by plasma.
• 55:41
  I mean, the way I always describe it
• 55:43
  is a glove. You know, one of my
• 55:45
  fingerless gloves here. I mean, this glove is
• 55:47
  nothing. Is it? It's a piece of cloth.
• 55:49
  It's dead. It's not alive. Right? But if
• 55:52
  I put my hand inside it
• 55:54
  like this,
• 55:56
  it animates it. The glove's not alive, but
• 55:59
  my hand is animating it so that the
• 56:02
  plasma
• 56:03
  becomes animated.
• 56:06
  And that
• 56:07
  you have intelligences
• 56:09
  occupying
• 56:10
  these objects.
• 56:11
  And these objects
• 56:13
  can become quite solid
• 56:15
  and even form into structured craft. How can
• 56:18
  they do that? Because the plasma acts as
• 56:21
  portals
• 56:23
  into higher dimensional
• 56:24
  environments,
• 56:26
  and
• 56:27
  they can become wormholes.
• 56:29
  In other words, 2 mouths
• 56:31
  in different positions that are entangled together on
• 56:33
  a quantum level
• 56:35
  that can allow matter
• 56:37
  to enter 1 and exit in the other.
• 56:40
  In other words, quite possibly, extraterrestrial
• 56:43
  objects
• 56:44
  could use plasma to manifest
• 56:46
  into our physical reality.
• 56:49
  It's possible
• 56:51
  that we are talking about objects and intelligences
• 56:54
  that exist on a higher dimensional
• 56:56
  frequency usually that are able to use plasma
• 56:59
  to enter our world and become what we
• 57:01
  call plasma beings or light beings.
• 57:04
  But, also, there's a chance that at least
• 57:07
  some of these objects and the entities that
• 57:09
  come from them are coming in from parallel
• 57:12
  worlds.
• 57:13
  Parallel worlds that coexist with us. How do
• 57:15
  they coexist with us? Because of the brains
• 57:19
  that I told you about before, the b
• 57:20
  r a n e s, that are created
• 57:23
  within the 11 dimensional bulk.
• 57:26
  Because according to the main
• 57:28
  theory of the bulk and the creation of
• 57:31
  the physical universe,
• 57:33
  other universes can be created at the same
• 57:35
  time,
• 57:36
  and they may not have the same
• 57:39
  laws of physics as our own.
• 57:41
  And that these different universes
• 57:44
  can exist independently,
• 57:45
  but they
• 57:47
  can interact
• 57:48
  and overlay each other. And when this happens,
• 57:51
  there can be bleed throughs from one to
• 57:54
  the other.
• 57:55
  So if you're interacting
• 57:57
  with a brain or a universe that's not
• 58:00
  quite the same as us or has
• 58:02
  different laws of physics, it has different animals,
• 58:04
  different creatures, different intelligences,
• 58:07
  different environments, then they can start bleeding through
• 58:10
  into our own. Probably only on a temporary
• 58:14
  basis because the chances are that these
• 58:17
  other universes
• 58:18
  come apart from our own eventually, maybe after
• 58:21
  a few minutes, a few hours, a few
• 58:22
  days, a few weeks, so that whatever has
• 58:25
  manifested into our world suddenly vanishes as if
• 58:28
  it was never there in the first place.
• 58:31
  But,
• 58:32
  you know, this is what we call
• 58:34
  bubble universes. These bubble universes, these other universes
• 58:38
  can come into existence
• 58:40
  even overlaying our own, and they don't have
• 58:42
  to be the same size as our own
• 58:43
  universe. They can be that big.
• 58:46
  You know, they can exist for
• 58:48
  3 seconds or whatever. You know? In other
• 58:51
  words, they can open and close
• 58:53
  at will, sometimes overlaying with our own, sometime
• 58:57
  existing separately to our own, but occasionally
• 59:00
  interacting with our own. And this is the
• 59:02
  physics that we're dealing with now.
• 59:04
  And, again, this is not some new age
• 59:07
  concept that I'm creating in my head.
• 59:10
  This is what cutting edge science tells us
• 59:13
  is now possible
• 59:14
  through our knowledge of mathematics, of geometry,
• 59:18
  of astronomy,
• 59:19
  astrophysics,
• 59:21
  and physics as a whole.
• 59:24
  That's a great breakdown, and the glove analogy
• 59:27
  is a good one because when the hand
• 59:29
  is in the glove, you can then manipulate
• 59:31
  the shape of it, you know, pretty effortlessly.
• 59:35
  And so they are manipulating the shape of
• 59:37
  the plasma to sometimes appear as other things.
• 59:41
  But the description of how the plasmas come
• 59:43
  to be
• 59:45
  sounds very
• 59:47
  random. It's like lighting. It's like a flash
• 59:49
  in the pan almost is what it kinda
• 59:51
  sounds like. So it's from the perspective
• 59:53
  of
• 59:54
  the being that's inhabiting the plasma,
• 59:57
  how does it know this is going to
• 59:59
  occur? How does it get into the plasma?
• 1:00:02
  What are these intelligences doing when there's not
• 1:00:04
  a plasma present?
• 1:00:06
  Because in some instances,
• 1:00:09
  these are
• 1:00:10
  repeated
• 1:00:12
  communications
• 1:00:13
  with the same entity.
• 1:00:15
  So what is it about reading a grimoire
• 1:00:17
  and drawing a pentagram
• 1:00:19
  and facing a different direction? Because directionality is
• 1:00:22
  very key in a lot of those magical
• 1:00:24
  rituals and the timing, the astrological
• 1:00:27
  celestial timing is important,
• 1:00:29
  that it gets the same plasma to show
• 1:00:31
  up or at least one that can pretend
• 1:00:33
  to be the same and respond to the
• 1:00:35
  same name. Because people have ongoing communications, even
• 1:00:39
  aliens. People have ongoing visitations,
• 1:00:42
  and
• 1:00:43
  the ones that come seem to be aware
• 1:00:45
  of the previous interactions
• 1:00:46
  as well.
• 1:00:48
  So that's kinda where it's weird to me
• 1:00:50
  because the description, the scientific description makes sense,
• 1:00:53
  but it also seems so random and so
• 1:00:56
  chaotic and so quick, like a flash in
• 1:00:58
  the pan, as opposed to some of these
• 1:01:01
  other
• 1:01:02
  stories I hear of sustained communication over long
• 1:01:05
  periods of time.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah. Well, I mean, the idea that plasma
• 1:01:09
  can be occupied by
• 1:01:11
  intelligences
• 1:01:12
  existing
• 1:01:14
  quite literally
• 1:01:15
  outside of normal space time
• 1:01:17
  was
• 1:01:18
  really first proposed in the 19 sixties by
• 1:01:23
  a plasma physicist by the name of David
• 1:01:25
  Bohm.
• 1:01:26
  He wrote extensively
• 1:01:28
  on this subject, and many of my ideas
• 1:01:31
  unquestionably
• 1:01:32
  began with his.
• 1:01:34
  And he talked in terms of what he
• 1:01:37
  referred to as proto intelligences.
• 1:01:39
  Now that doesn't mean that they are substandard
• 1:01:42
  or anything like that, but they are intelligences
• 1:01:46
  that are not of a material nature
• 1:01:49
  that coexist with us in what we would
• 1:01:52
  perceive as an invisible
• 1:01:53
  state, probably involving
• 1:01:56
  a higher dimensional
• 1:01:58
  quality about them
• 1:02:00
  that we just cannot connect with properly. I
• 1:02:02
  mean and I think that Carl Sagan
• 1:02:05
  adequately
• 1:02:07
  described this back in the sixties and early
• 1:02:09
  seventies when he talked about
• 1:02:12
  us being three-dimensional
• 1:02:14
  beings. But if you can imagine
• 1:02:16
  two dimensional beings, flat beings that can only
• 1:02:19
  go forwards or sideways
• 1:02:21
  on a flat plan world, basically, that almost
• 1:02:24
  looks like a piece of paper.
• 1:02:26
  If those entities
• 1:02:28
  are there and then suddenly,
• 1:02:30
  a three-dimensional
• 1:02:31
  object, let's say, like a ball,
• 1:02:33
  passes through their
• 1:02:35
  2 dimensional
• 1:02:36
  existence, what are they gonna see? All they're
• 1:02:39
  gonna see is suddenly a hole or opening
• 1:02:42
  up,
• 1:02:43
  and this black flap thing gradually getting bigger
• 1:02:47
  and bigger
• 1:02:48
  until it reaches its maximum width. And then
• 1:02:51
  suddenly,
• 1:02:52
  it getting smaller and smaller again as it
• 1:02:54
  passes through their 2 dimensional flat plan world.
• 1:02:58
  So how are they gonna interpret it?
• 1:03:02
  In other words, they're not gonna see it
• 1:03:03
  as a ball. They are never ever gonna
• 1:03:05
  see it as a ball because they are
• 1:03:07
  2 dimensional
• 1:03:08
  in nature,
• 1:03:09
  and it's the same with us. If we
• 1:03:11
  are dealing with
• 1:03:13
  beings' intelligences
• 1:03:15
  that normally occupy, let's say, 4, maybe 5
• 1:03:18
  dimensions, perhaps even 11 dimensions,
• 1:03:21
  how are we going to perceive them? We're
• 1:03:23
  not. We might see flashes of light. We
• 1:03:25
  might see plasmas,
• 1:03:28
  but we won't fully understand what's right in
• 1:03:31
  front of our own eyes because we are
• 1:03:33
  three-dimensional
• 1:03:34
  creatures.
• 1:03:35
  The only way that we could possibly start
• 1:03:37
  understanding them is up here in our brain
• 1:03:41
  and within our consciousness
• 1:03:42
  and within dreams
• 1:03:44
  and within visions.
• 1:03:46
  Man.
• 1:03:47
  Wow. Well, sometimes even 2 hours isn't enough
• 1:03:50
  time. I always am thinking this. I had
• 1:03:53
  to discard quite a few things. I mean,
• 1:03:56
  just amazing material. We didn't even talk about
• 1:03:59
  Collins Cave. I know that in the past,
• 1:04:01
  you have done
• 1:04:03
  some kind of
• 1:04:05
  experiments with Oregon or been involved in a
• 1:04:07
  group for Oregon, and, that itself is fascinating.
• 1:04:10
  But, hey, you got more books coming out.
• 1:04:12
  Maybe we can do this again sometime.
• 1:04:14
  But I thank Hugh Newman for vouching for
• 1:04:16
  me and getting a full 2 hour show
• 1:04:18
  on the books. I know it's a big
• 1:04:20
  ask.
• 1:04:21
  I also know you have a lot of
• 1:04:22
  events coming on this year. I think a
• 1:04:24
  Turkey trip in May and then again in
• 1:04:26
  September, esoteric England in August, Peru in November.
• 1:04:30
  Before I really let you go, the reason
• 1:04:32
  we do the dance, let people know not
• 1:04:34
  only where they can get the book, I
• 1:04:36
  mean, where can't they get a book, but,
• 1:04:38
  you know, just the things you're working on,
• 1:04:39
  the things you have available,
• 1:04:41
  your website is your first and last name
• 1:04:44
  .com, but these trips are also a big
• 1:04:45
  thing you're doing.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah. I mean, this is something that I
• 1:04:48
  do, as you mentioned, with my good friend
• 1:04:51
  and colleague, Hugh Newman, and obviously his partner,
• 1:04:54
  JJ Ainsworth.
• 1:04:56
  You know, we are
• 1:04:58
  the top of our game relating to these
• 1:05:00
  Taj Teppala sites at the moment, you know,
• 1:05:02
  Karah and Tepai and Gobekli Teppai. And if
• 1:05:04
  you want to go out to these sites,
• 1:05:06
  you have no better company than us. I
• 1:05:08
  promise you.
• 1:05:10
  Because, you know, we've been on top of
• 1:05:11
  this for years. I mean, I've been on
• 1:05:12
  top of it for the last 2 decades,
• 1:05:15
  basically.
• 1:05:16
  Obviously, I've done various books on the subject.
• 1:05:18
  Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, came out
• 1:05:20
  in 2014.
• 1:05:23
  Karahentepi,
• 1:05:24
  Civilization of the Anunnaki
• 1:05:25
  and
• 1:05:26
  the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah. That's the one,
• 1:05:31
  which is the latest book, which obviously
• 1:05:34
  fully updates everything and covers this site of
• 1:05:37
  Karahantepe and everything we've been talking about today.
• 1:05:40
  But, you know, you've got other books as
• 1:05:41
  well. You got from the ashes of angels,
• 1:05:43
  which came out in 1996
• 1:05:44
  that really
• 1:05:45
  set the pace for it all, and it
• 1:05:47
  was actually being written
• 1:05:49
  at the same time
• 1:05:50
  that the first spades were going into the
• 1:05:52
  ground at Quebec, Tepe. I didn't have no
• 1:05:54
  knowledge of it, and, yeah, I pinpointed
• 1:05:56
  that area as the cradle of civilization
• 1:05:59
  and said, this is where you will find
• 1:06:01
  evidence of a shamanic elite that kick started
• 1:06:04
  civilization.
• 1:06:05
  And that's exactly where they found Quebec, Tepay.
• 1:06:08
  Plus you got my books on the UFOs,
• 1:06:11
  UAP, plasma intelligences,
• 1:06:13
  light quest, origins of the gods,
• 1:06:16
  and we haven't even talked about the Denisovans.
• 1:06:18
  If you wanna
• 1:06:19
  go all the way back
• 1:06:21
  to the origins of where all of this
• 1:06:24
  megalithic science comes from, they're the people, the
• 1:06:27
  Denisovans out of Siberia
• 1:06:29
  and China
• 1:06:30
  and Tibetan plateau and all the rest of
• 1:06:32
  it. That's where you're gonna find them.
• 1:06:35
  Andrewcollins.com
• 1:06:36
  is my website.
• 1:06:37
  You can obviously get these books from all
• 1:06:40
  good online
• 1:06:41
  stores. We're always told to plug Amazon and
• 1:06:44
  Barnes and Noble.
• 1:06:46
  Got Barnes and Noble get upset if you
• 1:06:48
  only ever mentioned Amazon, apparently.
• 1:06:51
  So I have to say that. And, yeah,
• 1:06:53
  we do these tours. We're going to Turkey
• 1:06:55
  in May and again in September.
• 1:06:58
  We're going to Peru, Bolivia, and Easter Island
• 1:07:01
  in November. That's gonna be an epic
• 1:07:04
  journey,
• 1:07:05
  which I'm probably gonna be away from my
• 1:07:07
  home probably about a month.
• 1:07:09
  That's me personally. Other people don't have to
• 1:07:11
  spend all that time there, but, you know,
• 1:07:13
  you can join any part of it.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah. All the details are there. And if
• 1:07:17
  you like what you heard,
• 1:07:20
  you can communicate with me either through the
• 1:07:23
  email address on the website
• 1:07:26
  or find me on social media. I mean,
• 1:07:28
  all the links to my social media and
• 1:07:29
  YouTube
• 1:07:31
  are on
• 1:07:31
  the opening page of the website. So
• 1:07:35
  hope to see you out and about,
• 1:07:37
  either at the tours or one of these
• 1:07:38
  conferences,
• 1:07:39
  I do as well.
• 1:07:41
  Amazing.
• 1:07:42
  Well, I really love talking to you. We
• 1:07:44
  covered a lot of ground. I've loved several
• 1:07:47
  of your books, and it seems like the
• 1:07:48
  ones I like most, I haven't even got
• 1:07:50
  to yet. But
• 1:07:52
  I really like that these tours are going
• 1:07:54
  on.
• 1:07:55
  I have heard you also talk about the
• 1:07:56
  fact that the World Economic Forum is doing
• 1:07:59
  some things that Gobekli Tepe trying to
• 1:08:02
  pour concrete there and plant trees and trying
• 1:08:05
  to keep things suppressed, and that's a whole
• 1:08:07
  another ball of wax. But, you know, go
• 1:08:10
  while you can, people. You know, take a
• 1:08:12
  trip while you can.
• 1:08:13
  Geopolitical tensions are high, trips might be hard
• 1:08:16
  to take in a couple of years, go
• 1:08:18
  now. I mean, I'm tempted to find a
• 1:08:19
  babysitter for the kids and get on one
• 1:08:21
  of these. If you ever do one to
• 1:08:22
  Guarana and the French Pyrenees and the Grail
• 1:08:24
  sites, I'll definitely have to loop in some
• 1:08:27
  babysitter for the kids and get out on
• 1:08:28
  one of those. But I can't imagine better
• 1:08:31
  guides than you and Hugh, so I hope
• 1:08:32
  some people take you up on that. But
• 1:08:34
  thanks for taking the time to talk to
• 1:08:36
  me today, and take care.
• 1:08:37
  My pleasure, Greg. Thank you.
• 1:08:41
  Oh, sweet baby Jesus. That is what I'm
• 1:08:44
  talking about. One of the best in the
• 1:08:47
  game, a name that was definitely on my
• 1:08:49
  dream guest list,
• 1:08:51
  crossed off. It was definitely good for me,
• 1:08:54
  and it's all thanks to Hugh who told
• 1:08:56
  Andrew that in the vast sea of podcasts
• 1:08:59
  trying to get an interview, THC
• 1:09:02
  is one that is worth taking the time
• 1:09:03
  to do.
• 1:09:05
  Sometimes, a personal recommendation
• 1:09:07
  is the difference.
• 1:09:09
  Hint hint, audience. Let's flex that muscle a
• 1:09:11
  bit more.
• 1:09:13
  But right up my alley.
• 1:09:15
  Exactly the kinds of topics I've been interested
• 1:09:18
  in recently. A surprise to no one listening,
• 1:09:21
  I'm sure.
• 1:09:22
  And another reason why 2 hours is so
• 1:09:25
  clutch. His latest book is about Karahan Tepe.
• 1:09:28
  And, of course, we're gonna talk about it
• 1:09:30
  and his latest discoveries and conclusions.
• 1:09:33
  But with such a huge back catalog of
• 1:09:36
  work that resonates with us right now, a
• 1:09:38
  second hour is when we can really get
• 1:09:41
  further into that.
• 1:09:43
  Examples being UFO cases
• 1:09:45
  and just
• 1:09:46
  the decades of contact with plasma beans and
• 1:09:49
  Skinwalker Ranch and Guirana and the Grail Quest
• 1:09:53
  and the French Pyrenees.
• 1:09:55
  We got into binding plasma beans for power
• 1:09:58
  if that is something that happens, and Stonehenge,
• 1:10:02
  and dodecahedrons,
• 1:10:03
  and dream space, and
• 1:10:06
  a lot of fun stuff.
• 1:10:08
  He's a very versatile guy, but yet so
• 1:10:10
  many roads do lead to the same places
• 1:10:12
  because I do think it's all connected.
• 1:10:15
  Anyway, get plus for $8 a month, 5
• 1:10:18
  shows a month, 750
• 1:10:20
  plus shows in the archive, all ad free
• 1:10:23
  and well edited and available
• 1:10:25
  to you,
• 1:10:27
  as you know. But the stars really align
• 1:10:29
  here in several ways.
• 1:10:31
  And, you know, every time I have an
• 1:10:33
  interview that covers this sort of material, I
• 1:10:35
  mention that 2 week trip in Armenia I
• 1:10:38
  took on the Graham Hancock tour.
• 1:10:40
  Also, remember that 3 part video is available
• 1:10:43
  on YouTube for free on my channel.
• 1:10:46
  I chaptered it out by site. I think
• 1:10:49
  there's, like, 5 sites in each one.
• 1:10:52
  But it is a great breakdown of the
• 1:10:53
  interesting things that I saw on that trip
• 1:10:56
  that never really get talked about, including a
• 1:10:58
  buried step pyramid, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:11:02
  But I only bring that up to say
• 1:11:03
  I have been on one of these kinds
• 1:11:05
  of research trips. It was one of the
• 1:11:07
  first things I did with my newfound freedom
• 1:11:10
  from the day job.
• 1:11:12
  But if I could do it again, Andrew
• 1:11:14
  Collins and Hugh Newman would be my picks
• 1:11:17
  as the tour guides I would want.
• 1:11:20
  You can actually notice in the Armenia videos
• 1:11:22
  that our actual Armenian guides were way more
• 1:11:26
  out there and willing to talk about strange
• 1:11:29
  things, like where giant bones were buried and
• 1:11:32
  legends and a lot of great stuff
• 1:11:34
  that Graham sort of brushed off. Wasn't interested
• 1:11:37
  in that.
• 1:11:38
  So I just think Andrew and Hugh are
• 1:11:41
  way more
• 1:11:43
  my speed.
• 1:11:44
  But I am reminded that we went to
• 1:11:46
  this one monastery
• 1:11:48
  out on a cliffside. We had to take
• 1:11:49
  an air tram kind of thing. I think
• 1:11:51
  they said one of the longest of its
• 1:11:53
  kind on Earth.
• 1:11:55
  And we got up to this Tadev
• 1:11:57
  Monastery. And these are some hardcore,
• 1:12:00
  almost esoteric,
• 1:12:02
  isolated,
• 1:12:03
  black robed Christians.
• 1:12:06
  But they have this stone monument, a huge
• 1:12:09
  pillar. I believe it was, like,
• 1:12:12
  15 feet high, I would guess.
• 1:12:15
  And the pillar was said to move. And
• 1:12:17
  our tour guide tried to get us a
• 1:12:19
  demonstration, and they shot that down.
• 1:12:21
  But I was reminded of that because there
• 1:12:23
  is apparently this moving pillar in the Carahindepe
• 1:12:27
  complex.
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  I don't know if we even talked about
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  that, but it's in the book a good
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  amount, and it gets mentioned in Karahhentepay
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  conversation.
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  So maybe a lot of you are familiar.
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  But this TATEV Monastery
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  had something like that, and it's said to
• 1:12:43
  detect earthquakes
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  and
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  be able to be swayed just with consciousness
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  alone.
• 1:12:50
  You know how it goes. Rumors and speculation.
• 1:12:52
  But this is a little bit from the
• 1:12:54
  Wikipedia page.
• 1:12:56
  The pendulous column or swinging column is a
• 1:12:59
  monument dedicated to the holy trinity. It's located
• 1:13:02
  in the south of the cathedral. It compromises
• 1:13:05
  a column about 8 meters tall,
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  crowned with a cracklar
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  type cross.
• 1:13:11
  The column has been dated to the 10th
• 1:13:13
  century. The cross is no earlier than the
• 1:13:16
  18th century, but its form may be based
• 1:13:19
  on an earlier example built in the year
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  906.
• 1:13:23
  This unique structure stands at a total height
• 1:13:26
  of 9 meters.
• 1:13:28
  Doing the conversion 9 meters is, like, 30
• 1:13:31
  feet,
• 1:13:32
  and they call it Gavazan. And they say
• 1:13:35
  what sets Gavazan apart is its remarkable ability
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  to sway or swing without collapsing, making it
• 1:13:41
  the only structure in the
• 1:13:43
  complex to have survived the test of time,
• 1:13:46
  remaining intact
• 1:13:47
  despite centuries
• 1:13:49
  of existence.
• 1:13:50
  So if they're saying it's the only structure
• 1:13:53
  in the complex to have survived the test
• 1:13:55
  of time,
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  I wonder if the pillar was here a
• 1:13:58
  lot longer and the monastery was just built
• 1:14:01
  around it. But check that out. It's a
• 1:14:03
  fun rabbit hole to get into what that
• 1:14:05
  pillar is about.
• 1:14:06
  Or you can just watch my part of
• 1:14:08
  that video,
• 1:14:09
  Tatev Monastery.
• 1:14:11
  I don't know. Just maybe another example of
• 1:14:13
  an ancient stone pillar with kind of weird
• 1:14:16
  qualities
• 1:14:17
  that
• 1:14:18
  I actually saw.
• 1:14:20
  Anyway, I do think we covered a ton
• 1:14:22
  of ground, and it was just great to
• 1:14:24
  get his thoughts on a number of subjects.
• 1:14:28
  Hopefully, the response is strong, so he won't
• 1:14:30
  be able to pass up a chance to
• 1:14:32
  return. That's the way it goes. Help me
• 1:14:34
  help you. Because I think there's a lot
• 1:14:36
  more material there I'd love to get into.
• 1:14:39
  But in higher side news, really just stay
• 1:14:41
  in the course. As I've been saying, I've
• 1:14:44
  added the new closing songs to the individual
• 1:14:47
  show pages. You don't have to be a
• 1:14:49
  plus member. Just download the MP 3 from
• 1:14:51
  the episode show notes if you want. Today's
• 1:14:54
  is pretty fun.
• 1:14:55
  And as we do, we take a look
• 1:14:57
  at the last episode rating.
• 1:14:59
  This episode, in particular, was largely Reddit focused
• 1:15:03
  with Magnaura 7.
• 1:15:05
  I had no idea where we would be.
• 1:15:08
  Was not sure how much overlap there was
• 1:15:10
  between THC and Reddit users, but
• 1:15:14
  it hit a bit better than I thought.
• 1:15:16
  4.7.
• 1:15:18
  Clearly, a great majority of plus people found
• 1:15:21
  it interesting.
• 1:15:22
  So glad that's the case because it was
• 1:15:24
  a bit of an unknown.
• 1:15:25
  Glad we all had a good time. And
• 1:15:27
  as for the meetup calendar,
• 1:15:30
  we got February 1st, coming in hot, Conway
• 1:15:33
  Pub in Conway, Washington. February 3rd, Galbraith's Ale
• 1:15:37
  House in Auckland, New Zealand. February 7th, Bunk
• 1:15:41
  Bar in Portland, Oregon. I think that's a
• 1:15:43
  new one.
• 1:15:44
  February 8th, McCall Collective Tap House in Brarensville,
• 1:15:49
  Pennsylvania.
• 1:15:51
  And also February 8th, Carrollton, Texas, 3 Nations
• 1:15:54
  Brewery. Pretty sure that's new.
• 1:15:57
  February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Roots and
• 1:16:00
  Leaves, and February 15th,
• 1:16:02
  h two Booster
• 1:16:04
  in Vlissingen,
• 1:16:05
  Netherlands.
• 1:16:07
  Very awesome to see a pretty full calendar
• 1:16:10
  of events all over the place, just THC
• 1:16:12
  listeners getting together.
• 1:16:14
  If you can form a network or any
• 1:16:16
  kind of friendships or bonds based on that
• 1:16:18
  common ground,
• 1:16:20
  That's pretty impressive,
• 1:16:22
  and I love that people are out there
• 1:16:23
  trying.
• 1:16:24
  Go over to higher side meetups.com
• 1:16:26
  to get more details on any event, RSVP,
• 1:16:30
  or make your own. But that's the show.
• 1:16:33
  Really fun and out there stuff we got
• 1:16:35
  into today. Not a lot of people I
• 1:16:37
  could have that conversation with.
• 1:16:39
  When people ask me about my religious views,
• 1:16:41
  I'll just share this episode with them because
• 1:16:44
  close enough. Right?
• 1:16:46
  With that said, do take care. Thanks again
• 1:16:48
  to Andrew for his time and to you
• 1:16:51
  for listening.
• 1:16:52
  I'll see you on the next one. I've
• 1:16:53
  done my part.
• 1:16:55
  Your move, religion starting spirits, ritually revealed plasma
• 1:16:58
  beans, and the great snake genius in the
• 1:17:01
  sky.
• 1:17:03
  You're
• 1:17:27
  And it's happened
• 1:17:28
  to the stars align.
• 1:17:30
  You'll try to call.
• 1:17:57
  Up the stones
• 1:17:58
  and just following the plan.
• 1:18:01
  According to a ritual we could barely understand,
• 1:18:04
  we were so curious
• 1:18:06
  we just couldn't put it down.
• 1:18:09
  When the steps were all complete, we gathered
• 1:18:12
  around
• 1:18:13
  and it said,
• 1:18:15
  the stars align,
• 1:18:17
  we'll try to call.
• 1:18:36
  College if
• 1:18:37
  you can receive it.
• 1:18:42
  Bang
• 1:18:43
  the drum and take the brew just like
• 1:18:45
  we've instructed you, and this strange conscious
• 1:18:49
  connection will
• 1:18:51
  ensue.
• 1:19:09
  When the stars align,
• 1:19:12
  we'll try to
• 1:19:17
  call. Come to
• 1:19:19
  the shrine, open the portal.
• 1:19:26
  We'll give you knowledge,
• 1:19:28
  take it or leave it.
• 1:19:30
  From the cosmic college, if you can receive
• 1:19:34
  it.