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Has Tucker Carlson Lost His Marbles? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: If you say, May the Fourth be with you one time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm quitting. We're we're not doing the podcast today. It's off.
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  Speaker 2: Whole thing is off. Whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say it, don't do it. Don't.
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  Speaker 1: I know you want to. I know you. You're dying to
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  Speaker 1: say it. You're just dying to say. You space geek.
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  Speaker 1: You You're so excited what you want to say? May
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  Speaker 1: the Fourth be with you so badly it's not cute.
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  Speaker 2: First thing I gotta do.
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  Speaker 4: Lance bass in sync boy birthday is forty six, now, okay, right.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't going to. I wasn't thinking, well, I well,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't going to do that here, huh.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 4: I did think that maybe in there somewhere on this
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  Speaker 4: little thing we got going on later today. Yes, since
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  Speaker 4: it is May the Fourth be with You day and
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  Speaker 4: that didn't start in nineteen that didn't start in nineteen
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  Speaker 4: seventy seven, Did I mean that somebody made that up?
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  Speaker 4: It seems like that's only been around for about ten
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  Speaker 4: or fifteen years. May the forget it, May the Fourth
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  Speaker 4: made the Fourth be with you? It's adorable. I thought
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  Speaker 4: that one of the things little points to departure we
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  Speaker 4: can make is what did what did the whole Star
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  Speaker 4: Wars thing mean to you?
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  Speaker 2: Mean to me?
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  Speaker 4: Because I know I'm a space geek. I know I'm
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  Speaker 4: a sci fi geek. Star Wars is neither. Star Wars
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  Speaker 4: is not science fiction. It is not a space movie.
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  Speaker 4: It is a swashbuckling adventure that happens to take place
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  Speaker 4: in space. Star Wars has way more in common with
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  Speaker 4: adventurous movies of the Old West or war flicks than
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  Speaker 4: with anything that's actually sci fi. So I thought, maybe
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  Speaker 4: that's one thing we could do, but apparently not.
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  Speaker 1: I love this and I'm looking. We were having fun
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend to see how many subscribers we could
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  Speaker 1: get to start because we're going to launch the YouTube
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  Speaker 1: show live at noon eastern eleventh Central today. Today is
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  Speaker 1: what one of the smart kids who knows the I've
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  Speaker 1: learned more about podcasting and YouTube channels than.
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  Speaker 3: I care to know ever in my life. But I
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  Speaker 3: know a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things they said was, if you
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  Speaker 1: can start with a thousand subscribers, you start. You did
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  Speaker 1: a brand new YouTube page, eminem Extra. If you can
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  Speaker 1: start with one thousand, You're going to be off off
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  Speaker 1: to a pretty good start. Well, you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: last half hour, did you mention in the last half
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  Speaker 1: hour because you've taken us over two thousand?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 1: We're now over two thousand. We are now at two
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  Speaker 1: thousand subscribers for the launch live Today, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do the M and M extra live.
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  Speaker 3: You and me.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we got to find something to disagree about. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with a disagreeable can we do? That is the
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  Speaker 1: real that's the real fun.
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  Speaker 4: It's all fun, please, But the magical things are when
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  Speaker 4: But clearly that's impossible, Mike. He's all the conservative talk
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  Speaker 4: show hosts. All they do is march in lockstep, agreeing
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  Speaker 4: on everything. There's never any conflict, and obviously between us
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  Speaker 4: there sometimes are just these these little these lots of
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  Speaker 4: breaking things. All right, Okay, you want to go fishing
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  Speaker 4: for one. Do you agree with me that, as much
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  Speaker 4: as James Komy makes my teeth itch, that this eighty
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  Speaker 4: six forty seven prosecution is stupid?
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  Speaker 3: Well know that it's stupid. According to Blanche Todd Blanche,
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  Speaker 3: there's more to it than the seashells. So we're going
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  Speaker 3: to find out if there's more to it or better better.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: I find a former top cop, an FBI director, the
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  Speaker 1: next FBI to use that phrase. He knows full well
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  Speaker 1: what it meant. It makes me sick. Have you seen
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  Speaker 1: the videos of progressives and leftists celebrating the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani is in a hospital here in Florida right
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  Speaker 1: now fighting for his life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's update that.
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  Speaker 4: Do we know he was in an accident a few
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  Speaker 4: weeks ago and he is eighty How old is Rudy
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  Speaker 4: eighty one?
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  Speaker 2: Alexa? How old is Rudy Giuliani? Rudy eighty one years old?
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  Speaker 3: May see, look at you don't need alex you need mine.
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  Speaker 3: That's mine.
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  Speaker 4: I just I just fired up one hundred and fourteen
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  Speaker 4: Alexas across the tea time.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and people hate it when you do that
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  Speaker 1: because it goes off everywhere. But I'm your grok.
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  Speaker 3: Just call me G.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think about it's a it's a wonderful name.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lovely female name. There are people with kids
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  Speaker 4: named that you can change your Amazon. I could change
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  Speaker 4: this thing to Fred, couldn't I if I wanted to?
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  Speaker 3: Or I think you could probably give it a different name.
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  Speaker 4: I think you can. But anyway, yes, so he's but
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  Speaker 4: what happened? Why is he in the I looked and
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't find anything.
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  Speaker 1: They said that Friday on his show. He's got like
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  Speaker 1: a podcast of his own. He's got a show that
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  Speaker 1: he does out of New York and he was raspy
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  Speaker 1: and didn't feel very good Friday. And now as of
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  Speaker 1: late last night, early this morning, he's fighting for his
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  Speaker 1: life in a Florida hospital. And there are people posting
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  Speaker 1: jubilant celebratory videos on x and text TikTok and all that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are demons all around us if you
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  Speaker 1: can't just just stay quiet because somebody you don't like politics.
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  Speaker 1: And the New York Times they did a big article
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  Speaker 1: last night. First line out of the gate was, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's an election denier. You know, he continues
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  Speaker 1: to repeat the false claim that the twenty twenty election
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  Speaker 1: was stolen. There's just such a such a lack of
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  Speaker 1: humanity such.
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  Speaker 4: For the New York Times. Times is going to Times
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  Speaker 4: and there's your election denial thing. But let's twelve for
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  Speaker 4: a second on the cruelty, the bottom feeding, the evil
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  Speaker 4: of people and their posts out in the social media
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  Speaker 4: use verse. Here's a sociological issue that perhaps we can
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  Speaker 4: explore in further depth after we do our full May
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  Speaker 4: the Fourth Be with You Unpacked Episode one? Is there
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  Speaker 4: more of this than there used to be? Is humanity
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  Speaker 4: getting worse? Is the social media assessmool making people worse?
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  Speaker 4: Or have people always been this petty and cruel and
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  Speaker 4: social media just gives them a soapbox to do.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's worse than it's ever been. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we talked about this last week with the people
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  Speaker 1: who bag on Erica Kirk. Good people in my life
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  Speaker 1: who just inexplicably have this negative judgment of her.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the climate we're in, the political tensions,
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  Speaker 1: the anxiety, the willingness that a lot of people on
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  Speaker 1: the left have to embrace violence. I think it emboldens
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  Speaker 1: people and and and they also lose their humanity. We're
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  Speaker 1: losing our Everybody's just like characters in a soap opera.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Erica Kirk's not real, She's just this cartoon character.
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  Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani is a is a figure. He's a family No,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have grandkids, doesn't have loved ones just terrified and
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  Speaker 1: sad for him.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's really the Erica Kirk thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you and I are going to explore this in
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  Speaker 1: depth in one of our new podcasts, because that, to me,
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  Speaker 1: is a phenomenon worth exploring. I guarantee you a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people within the sound of our voice right now
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  Speaker 1: have people in their lives who don't like the woman,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's so unbelievable that you would express that
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  Speaker 1: publicly in the months after she lost her husband the
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  Speaker 1: way she lost her husband. I mean, look, you could
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  Speaker 1: have whatever you're gonna like, whoever you want to like,
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  Speaker 1: but to say it out loud and to criticize her
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  Speaker 1: and she's being awkward. There is something unleashed in people,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not good. Mark, It's not a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's scary, it is clumsy.
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  Speaker 4: Theory number two I guess from me on this, and
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  Speaker 4: that is because I think you are right.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 4: The Internet's an amazing thing. It's it's a it's a wonder,
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  Speaker 4: it's a gift. It's great in so many ways, and
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  Speaker 4: yet it also it giveth and it taketh away, and
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  Speaker 4: it has taketh away our basic decency in humanity. It
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  Speaker 4: used to be that if you were a jerk and
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  Speaker 4: you had something horrible to say about Rudy Giuliani who
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  Speaker 4: may be dying, or Erica Kerkhuz so freshly bereaved, that
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  Speaker 4: you either a kept it to yourself right or b
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  Speaker 4: or told another of your jerk friends over a beer
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  Speaker 4: or a cup of coffee, and it went no farther.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, every every wonderful person, every person of middling qualities,
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  Speaker 4: and every horrible person all have this.
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  Speaker 2: They all have the devil in their pocket. They've all
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  Speaker 2: got the phone.
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  Speaker 4: They all have Twitter accounts, they all have Instagram, which
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  Speaker 4: gives them an instant platform. And their platform may have
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  Speaker 4: twenty people, it may have five hundred, it may have
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  Speaker 4: five thousand. And just there, listen, look what you and
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  Speaker 4: I do for a living. There is please. There's something
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  Speaker 4: about saying things and having people consume what you say.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty seductive, it's pretty cool. It's a neat feeling.
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  Speaker 4: But what if you're just a complete, raving lunatic or
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  Speaker 4: a horrible cruel person. You still get that same kind
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  Speaker 4: of jazz, that same kind of jolt and so and
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  Speaker 4: the Internet provides it for assolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, and now we've got this entire narrative. Over the
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  Speaker 1: weekend it was released, Tucker Carlson sat down with The
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  Speaker 1: New York Times. They did a long, extensive interview with Tucker,
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  Speaker 1: and you're gonna get here. Here may be something that
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  Speaker 1: we disagree with us. So this will be fun. We
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  Speaker 1: can get I can get you fired up on a Monday.
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  Speaker 1: May the Fourth be with you. Maybe the Fourth be
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  Speaker 1: with you. Look, a lot of what he says is
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  Speaker 1: resonating with people, and people don't like to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is Mark, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of young people who are gravitating to his anti
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  Speaker 1: anti Iran, anti endless Wars thing. He's smart, he's sophisticated,
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  Speaker 1: he knows how and look he is he is Mark.
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  Speaker 4: I mean he's okay, Okay, he's very books smart. He's
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  Speaker 4: got to go IQ. But that labels are Lucy goosey.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go to the specific thing that he over the
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  Speaker 4: weekend got a lot of attention for. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: I think. Was this a New York Times piece of
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  Speaker 4: jouralism as well?
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  Speaker 2: So to speak.
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  Speaker 4: A woman is interviewing him and said, yeah, how about
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  Speaker 4: that thing where you called Trump the Antichrist, correct, and
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  Speaker 4: he said, I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do that. She plays him doing that.
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  Speaker 1: You know how long the interview was. You know how long
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  Speaker 1: the interview was. Read the rest of the interview, read
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  Speaker 1: the look at the rest of the interview. That was
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  Speaker 1: one thing, and that ran from that. Well, I have
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  Speaker 1: no okay, it was. It's one part of a of
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  Speaker 1: a lengthy interview where he talks about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things that are resonating with people. Look, I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: not in agreement with him, don't get me wrong. And
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  Speaker 1: I have a hunch. I have a hunch that there's
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  Speaker 1: an anti Israel animus that drives the Candice Owens and
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  Speaker 1: the Tuckers and maybe the Megan Kelly's of the world.
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  Speaker 1: But but Mark, you cannot stick your head in the
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  Speaker 1: sand and act like they're not making an impact, because
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  Speaker 1: they are and they might impact in the midterms. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people are talking about Tucker as a presidential candidate pretty openly.
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  Speaker 3: Sweet lord, Well, I'm telling you, okay, of all.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a lane? Sure?
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  Speaker 4: Not everybody who runs has a chance of winning, and
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  Speaker 4: not everybody who runs necessarily expects to. They just want
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  Speaker 4: the and that would be thoroughly on brand because he
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  Speaker 4: is a massive narcissist.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what the red flag, honest,
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  Speaker 1: you know what the red flag for me is is
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  Speaker 1: watching people react to Tucker and just go scorched earth.
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  Speaker 3: He's a stone.
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  Speaker 1: Stone called raving, lunatic, maniac, idiot blah blah, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like personal to them, and they're instead of just debating
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  Speaker 1: his issues and taking apart his positions.
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  Speaker 4: It's not enough because somewhere between going quite hot fury
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  Speaker 4: and savaging him, there is an ability to do And
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  Speaker 4: let me place myself in a lane and see if
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  Speaker 4: you think it makes sense. It hurts me because I
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  Speaker 4: used to value him so much. It's for him to
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  Speaker 4: snap a twig mentally, as he clearly has done, gives
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  Speaker 4: me a sense of loss in the conservative commentary space.
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  Speaker 4: I'm totally willing to stipulate that he is whip smart
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  Speaker 4: on a lot of things, and whether I agree with
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  Speaker 4: him or not, may have things of value to say
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  Speaker 4: that may resonate with some, but overall, I'm just so
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  Speaker 4: done with a circus act that he has become that
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  Speaker 4: I've stopped paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would respectfully suggest you've never been much of
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  Speaker 1: a fan, you've never really liked him, to tell you
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  Speaker 1: the truth, and to say he snapped a twig mentally,
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  Speaker 1: I believe is unfair. I just think he represents a
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  Speaker 1: view that you, a worldview that you and I disagree
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  Speaker 1: with strongly. But to dismiss somebody as being crazy or unhinged,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, could give me a break. I mean, look
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  Speaker 1: at Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Trump is the Antichrist, very stable.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty goofy, pretty goofy, you know, pretty, He's.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I will well look more of this magic on the
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  Speaker 1: eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Which because we're we're out of time.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but we won't be on the podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: we could keep going. We could keep going. We may
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  Speaker 1: pick up from here. This may be the entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: So Live today Today is the first day, so live
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube go to the YouTube channel M and M Extra,
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  Speaker 1: and then after and after the live show at noon
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube eleventh Central. Then later in the afternoon it'll
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  Speaker 1: be released on all of your favorite podcast platforms. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are pointing out, like, why isn't
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  Speaker 1: it very well, we don't have we don't have any yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be there. So I'm looking on I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking on Spotify. Well, we gotta we gotta kick the
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  Speaker 1: thing off today. And by the way, one more quick
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  Speaker 1: New York note. As speaking of health, I just found
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  Speaker 1: out John Sterling, the legendary Yankees play by play announcer,
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  Speaker 1: has passed away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he died.
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  Speaker 3: He died.
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  Speaker 1: And I worked with him back in the day when
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  Speaker 1: I was at w ABC. I he was on the
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  Speaker 1: air when I was on the air there at w ABC,
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  Speaker 1: we were the flagship station of the Yankees, and I
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  Speaker 1: was the morning host at WABC and New York.
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  Speaker 3: Rest of it is far, it is wide, it is gone.
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  Speaker 1: He would He had some real uh, real colloquialisms. And
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  Speaker 1: so John Sterling, the voice of the Yankees, passing away.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you a little bit later today.
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  Speaker 1: We're ready. Eminem Extra, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: Have some fun. We'll talk about it. Yes we will.
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