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Chuck & Buck 10-30 Hour 3: MMQB with Gregg Bell & Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's eight o'clock here on a third day, and
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  Speaker 1: it is time for our twelfth man roundtable. We have
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  Speaker 1: assembled the best out there to talk to Seahawks football.
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  Speaker 1: We do it every single week. Hugh Millen, our QB
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  Speaker 1: one former NFL quarterback. Don't know if you knew that
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  Speaker 1: about him, Buggy, Uh you mean like the National Football
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  Speaker 1: the National football, highest level, highest level.
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  Speaker 2: QB quar Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, I'm gonna start listening.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he studies much anymore, but at at
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  Speaker 1: the time, yeah, he really really did.
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  Speaker 2: He just wings it. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then we got our Seahawks insider Greg Bell, over
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  Speaker 1: twenty years following the Seattle Seahawks, seems to know a
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  Speaker 1: thing or.
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  Speaker 2: Two about he's been doing it that long. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start listening to him.
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  Speaker 1: To an army like dedication to his craft. Who would
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  Speaker 1: have thought, Yeah, I know, so we're pretty You listen
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  Speaker 1: long enough, I'll prove you wrong. Just keep listening.
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  Speaker 3: I'll step on enough rags to could change your mind.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's do this thing. A lot to
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  Speaker 1: catch up on. We're coming off of a bye week.
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  Speaker 1: We spent last week's roundtable sort of discussing how we
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  Speaker 1: feel about the team, But now this is about looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to the second half of the season. Should have
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  Speaker 1: a healthier roster, but the same can't be said for
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. On Sunday, Greg, I just update your
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  Speaker 1: reaction to the news about Terry McLaurin being out and
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  Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels practicing yesterday and looking like he's on
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  Speaker 1: track to play Sunday night against the Hawks.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Seahawks have been preparing all week that Daniels
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  Speaker 4: was going to play. That was the assumption when he
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  Speaker 4: missed the Monday night game against Kansas City. McLarens. That
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  Speaker 4: was news to McDonald yesterday when we told him during
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  Speaker 4: our time talking with him before practice he re injured
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  Speaker 4: his leg in the Kansas City game Monday night, so
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  Speaker 4: he won't play it. Washington's missing both at starting defensive ends.
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  Speaker 4: It's missing it's starting safety. They are not at all
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  Speaker 4: what they were at the NFC Title game last year Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a running game. Austin Eckler was supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be a big part of their offense and he's
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  Speaker 4: on injured reserve. Offensive lineman on injured reserve. Every team
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  Speaker 4: has injuries, yes, but Washington has not responded to it well.
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  Speaker 4: Their offense only scored seven points even though they drove
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  Speaker 4: into Chiefs territory Monday night. Five of their eight drives
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  Speaker 4: were in Kansas City's end of the field, and they
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  Speaker 4: only had seven points with Marcus Mariota as the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Suffice to say, Jane Daniels playing is a big, big
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  Speaker 4: deal in this game. If he wasn't playing, it would
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  Speaker 4: be swinging into Seattle defense's favor. Daniels another run pass
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  Speaker 4: threat who last year as a rookie was just almost
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  Speaker 4: beyond his well, he was beyond his years of reading
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  Speaker 4: defenses and reacting to what was seeing in front of him.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of talk about the virtual reality training he's
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  Speaker 4: had since way back at LSU and how it's got
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  Speaker 4: him seeing defenses. But if you don't have the Rookie
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  Speaker 4: of the Year Heisman Trophy winner who got you the
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  Speaker 4: NFC title game at full strength, that's in Seattle's favor
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  Speaker 4: for sure. So health is as always an NFL, especially
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  Speaker 4: in October November, health the factor in this game for.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, big factor. We'll get to some of the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: news here in a moment as well. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get off the topic of Jaden Daniels, let's ask our
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  Speaker 1: QB one what a year he had? Is a rookie
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  Speaker 1: hasn't quite worked as well here in his sophomore campaign.
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  Speaker 1: What do you see in Jadeen Daniels Hugh that keeps
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinators up at night.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's a beautiful athlete and maybe maybe second to
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  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson in terms of speed and long long strikeability
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  Speaker 3: from the quarterback position. I think he has a very
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  Speaker 3: fluid passing motion, much much better than Lamar Jackson's. To
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  Speaker 3: my eye, I think he has more velocity. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's just more effortless. But you know, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a really important thought that I have about the commanders
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  Speaker 3: that I'll try and share quickly. So I'm on this
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  Speaker 3: thirty third team that think tank and we zoom every week.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a guy named Mike Giddings who is the
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  Speaker 3: president of Pro Scout. They consult to the NFL. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have websites for us to jump. They can sel
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  Speaker 3: to the NFL. And he picked it up from his dad,
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  Speaker 3: who they like was They were hired by Paul Brown
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  Speaker 3: and Don Shulan. What have you and as as as
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  Speaker 3: it was stated they have like actuarial tables. They go
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  Speaker 3: so far back and they have this when they advise teams.
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  Speaker 3: He says, you want to be a playoff team, you
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  Speaker 3: have to be below twenty strikes, and strikes are generally
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  Speaker 3: acquired by aging players, declining players x number of injuries. Well,
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks had seventeen strikes, so they were in good
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  Speaker 3: in good position. He had the Commanders as a declining team.
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  Speaker 3: You might have thought, hey, they're on the rise with
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  Speaker 3: jayde Daniels. He had the Commanders as a declining team.
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  Speaker 3: They had forty four strikes wow, entering this season. And
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  Speaker 3: you know it's not just the defense Von Viller, you
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  Speaker 3: know Bobby Wagner, but you know all the targets. Zach
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  Speaker 3: Ertz is thirty four years old, Chris Moore is thirty
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  Speaker 3: two years old, Terry McLaurin is thirty, he's injured. Austin
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  Speaker 3: Eckler is thirty. So this commander's philosophically, they have said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're all in now there, and they've acquired a lot
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  Speaker 3: of veterans. It makes sense to some people, but a
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  Speaker 3: guy that has been advising NFL teams for literally sixty
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  Speaker 3: years in a family business. They say, whoao, whoa. That
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  Speaker 3: is the wrong formula for success. And you know, now
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of wishing that I taking it to Vegas
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  Speaker 3: because he called this stuff back in the summer. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's there's a lesson there.
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  Speaker 1: So there's sore, there's some legitimacy. This isn't just the
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  Speaker 1: slow start that they're off to, you know, that might
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  Speaker 1: be representative of the actual team, uh that they are well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Jade Daniel is going to be an issue.
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  Speaker 1: But I know a day ago, Greg, I'm I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the airwaves jumping up and down with excitement about seeing
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  Speaker 1: Spoon and Love and Emon War he finally together in
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  Speaker 1: the same secondary. Is that gonna happen? Or not?
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  Speaker 4: Sit down, Chuck, It's not gonna happen. Ah, you can't
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  Speaker 4: jump up and down. Yeah, Julaians Love had a setback
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  Speaker 4: is what McDonald termed it. In his return from his
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  Speaker 4: hamstring injury. I saw him running around in cleats on
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  Speaker 4: Monday and the practice they had and apparently the setback
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  Speaker 4: was then because he didn't practice yesterday and McDonald said
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  Speaker 4: injured reserve is under consideration for him. They still even
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  Speaker 4: with Wierspoon coming back. He did practice pool yesterday for
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  Speaker 4: the first time since Week four. Even with Witherspoon coming back,
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  Speaker 4: still on Sunday night, with Bob being out, they are
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  Speaker 4: not going to be whole in the secondary, which they
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  Speaker 4: have not been since the fifth play of the year
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  Speaker 4: with Nickamon Worry got hurt. So we're going to see
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  Speaker 4: more at Tai Okada, who at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 4: season when he had they o'catta has had an interesting
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  Speaker 4: season of just growing within the last month and a half.
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  Speaker 4: I wrote a story in the News Tribune this morning
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  Speaker 4: about him and how he's representative of the entire defense plan,
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  Speaker 4: not at all how Mike McDonald planned for this year Ocatta.
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  Speaker 4: At the beginning of the season, when even Worry went
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  Speaker 4: out the game won, Mike McDonald had a plan of
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  Speaker 4: using big Nickel with a safety to combat the San
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  Speaker 4: Francisco run game, and when Emon Worriy went out, he
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  Speaker 4: tried to put o'cada into that role and the forty
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  Speaker 4: nine ers picked on him immediately. We got a first
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  Speaker 4: down with Kittle, They got a touchdown with Kittle on
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  Speaker 4: the third play, and then they tried McDonald tried blitzing
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  Speaker 4: o'cada like he would have even worry and Ocatta was
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  Speaker 4: at five eleven, two hundred pounds just running in the
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  Speaker 4: lineman getting swallowed in effect. Eventually got benched in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of that game, and the Seahawks went more to
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  Speaker 4: what they always had done last year with Witherspoon, which
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  Speaker 4: is a corner to nickel, not big nickel, regular conventional
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  Speaker 4: nickel with Witherspoon inside. Well, then Witherspoon got hurt late
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  Speaker 4: in that game running into Josh Job on Job's interception,
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  Speaker 4: and ever since then they've been shucking and jiving at
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  Speaker 4: nickel and extra safety until even Worri came back a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. In the meantime, Ocata has gone
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  Speaker 4: from a big role of a failed nickel to a
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  Speaker 4: starting safety because of Julian Love's injury, and in that
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  Speaker 4: starting safety role he's excelled. His blitzes against Houston got
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  Speaker 4: home for a sack and a half. He hadn't had
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  Speaker 4: a sack in his career in three years last year
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  Speaker 4: week he had the sack and a half. He had
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  Speaker 4: the great play in the end zone, tipping the third
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  Speaker 4: down pass as part of that goal line stand when
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  Speaker 4: it was a two score game with five minutes left.
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  Speaker 4: He is part of McDonald's not going a script for
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  Speaker 4: this defense as well. As they're playing number one in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL against the run, seventh in scoring defense, they
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  Speaker 4: are not playing how McDonald wanted to. He probably knows
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  Speaker 4: these numbers. They're ninety one percent in sub packages on defense,
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  Speaker 4: which is exactly how McDonald intended to play with Emon
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  Speaker 4: Worry and the Gang together, that's number one in the league.
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  Speaker 4: They are seventeen percent in blitz rate, that's the third
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  Speaker 4: lowest in the league. And that is not at all
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  Speaker 4: how he was supposed to play, he said. McDonald said yesterday, frankly,
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  Speaker 4: we had detoured pretty significantly from how I planned to
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  Speaker 4: play schematically this year because of the injuries. And I said,
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  Speaker 4: is pressure rate one of those detours? He said, yes,
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  Speaker 4: he was gonna blitz fifty percent of the time with
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  Speaker 4: Emon Worry and Witherspoon. He's in seventeen percent because he
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  Speaker 4: hasn't had those two guys for eight of the game
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  Speaker 4: so far this season. So they're winning not much like
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  Speaker 4: on offense. This team is winning on defense, not how
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  Speaker 4: they were designed to be this year. We'll see if
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  Speaker 4: Witherspoon comes back, and is the blitz ran a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little dicey proposition to blitz Jaln Daniels posed
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  Speaker 4: to some other quarterbacks they face.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so Hugh loves not coming back, but at
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  Speaker 1: least Spoon is what does that mean in your opinion
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  Speaker 1: to the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm very intrigued to see how this plays out,
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  Speaker 3: because if you go back, Witherspoon came out of Illinois,
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  Speaker 3: as you know, at the combine was one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: eighty one pounds. Look, he throws his body around. You
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  Speaker 3: love that about him. But at Illinois he played in
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  Speaker 3: the slot or in the box, you know where all
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  Speaker 3: the big bodies are playing hardball. He was in there
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  Speaker 3: less than seventeen percent, sixteen point eight percent of his snaps.
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  Speaker 3: But now as a Seahawk, last year he was at
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  Speaker 3: sixty five percent in the box. And it just it
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  Speaker 3: begs the question, Hey, yeah, he's a great nickel player,
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  Speaker 3: but right now he's only played two games this year,
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  Speaker 3: So is it more wise to put him outside at corner?
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  Speaker 3: And then emon worry is going to be your nickel?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And so now how much dime they played the Sea
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  Speaker 3: X right now at just under eighty eight percent. They're
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  Speaker 3: number one in the NFL in terms of using nickel
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  Speaker 3: five dbs. Their dime use at three and a half
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  Speaker 3: percent is twentieth and that's where you get to the numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Greg just sided. So they may up their use of dime,
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  Speaker 3: which would put Witherspoon in an overhang position down in
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  Speaker 3: the box and Emon Warrior on the other side of that.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that there's going to be a substantial
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  Speaker 3: move to the outside by Witherspoon. That's what I would do.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, given that you have Emon Worry, given
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  Speaker 3: the nickel numbers, and and that's been dictated by by
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  Speaker 3: by health concerns. But I think there's a big philosophical
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  Speaker 3: discussion you have. You had even Warry go to the
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  Speaker 3: combine at sixty three and exactly two hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 3: pounds versus as I mentioned, one hundred and eighty one.
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  Speaker 3: You got to you got two guys, who are you're
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  Speaker 3: thinking about playing nickel one is thirty nine pounds heavier.
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  Speaker 3: That factors in my opinion. And you know we're here,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about Jaden Daniels being banged up, skinny guy.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about Witherspoon. Witherspoon getting banged up, skinny guy
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  Speaker 3: like this is the thing, and so I think that
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  Speaker 3: Seattle should address it in that way.
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  Speaker 4: And we talked about this earlier this week, Chuck. That's
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  Speaker 4: exactly the decision they're going through this week. And because
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  Speaker 4: even Worry has been so good at Nickel, I can't
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  Speaker 4: see them moving them out of that spot. He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: play ninety plus percent of the snaps and it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be inside against the run as the Nickel. If
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  Speaker 4: they're doing what Hugh's saying they should do and put
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  Speaker 4: Witherspoon outside, somebody's got to go, And that to me
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  Speaker 4: is Riek Wollan. So Wolan may get benched, as he
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  Speaker 4: was almost bench before Witherspoon got hurt in week two.
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  Speaker 4: He probably would not have started that Pittsburgh game if
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  Speaker 4: Witherspoon had not missed it. Well, now they may be
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  Speaker 4: mentioned him, and it's because of nick Eman Warry's emergence
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  Speaker 4: inside as Nickel. He's playing a lot closer line of
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  Speaker 4: scrimmage than he did at South Carolina. He talked to
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  Speaker 4: me yesterday about how that has been an adjustment for him.
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  Speaker 4: The action happening quicker, the block's on any more quickly.
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  Speaker 4: But with everything else McDonald and the coaches have thrown
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  Speaker 4: at him, he's past it. I'm with you. I put
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  Speaker 4: Witherspoon outside where he's a natural corner, and put just
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  Speaker 4: stick em and Worry in and played ninety percent nickel.
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  Speaker 3: And I think an important part of that is that
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  Speaker 3: Emon Warry. I've been very keen to watch when they
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  Speaker 3: play man to man, who is Seattle willing to match
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  Speaker 3: him up against? And I've seen the willing to put
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  Speaker 3: those little slot receivers, you know, you know, oftentimes the
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  Speaker 3: shift of your guys are in the slot where he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's you know, he's a nickel Sam. He he's basically
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  Speaker 3: a Sam linebacker, which is a strong outside linebacker, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the in the form of a person who's a safety.
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  Speaker 3: So makes him a nickel Sam. In man to man,
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  Speaker 3: if he has to cover a little guy, then if
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  Speaker 3: that's a problem, you're gonna expose it and you can't
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  Speaker 3: play man to man, you can't put him on, and
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  Speaker 3: then that reveals the coverage and what have But they
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  Speaker 3: have been willing. Now he in some cases he's not
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  Speaker 3: as quick in and out of his break but he's
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  Speaker 3: quicker than I thought he would be, and the length
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  Speaker 3: and his catchup speed allows him to play man and
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  Speaker 3: man against those In a quick note on on on
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  Speaker 3: a Kata because we were talking about him, Greg, you
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  Speaker 3: remember when you guys were handicapping who's gonna make the roster?
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  Speaker 3: Was Jerrick Reid or somebody other than Tyle Cotta. He
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  Speaker 3: had that incredible interception in the last game in the preseason,
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  Speaker 3: that one handed interception against the Packers that if it
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  Speaker 3: was Larry Fitzgerald running down the millfield on a post,
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  Speaker 3: you just said, that's a Sports Center Top ten play.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't so much that play that got our attention
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  Speaker 3: the next series on a on a dual run where
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  Speaker 3: the running back went to the backside in a lot space,
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  Speaker 3: Okata came from the back end and he just came
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  Speaker 3: up like a meteor and just chopped down whoever the
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  Speaker 3: running back was, And I go, WHOA, that is probably
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  Speaker 3: gonna impress the Seahawk coaching staff more than the interception.
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  Speaker 3: I think he made a late run to make this
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  Speaker 3: team kind of a little spotty the first, you know,
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  Speaker 3: regular season game, but he's improved in his performance, so
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  Speaker 3: he's the guy we need to talk about until Julia
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  Speaker 3: in Love gets his hamstring straight round. But I think
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  Speaker 3: it's been an interesting story for him. In twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: He's a guy who was on and off the practice
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  Speaker 4: go out in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four from
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  Speaker 4: Montana State. He's in his third year. He's another guy
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  Speaker 4: McDonald has put up in front of the team and say,
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  Speaker 4: you practice well, you study and know the game plan
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  Speaker 4: you play. Josh Job was like that last year. They
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  Speaker 4: have bettered themselves with examples of that across the two
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  Speaker 4: years that McDonald has been here, and that resonates in
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  Speaker 4: the locker room. If a guy who's been on the
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  Speaker 4: practice squad and not even on it the whole seasons,
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  Speaker 4: on and off of it for two years can be
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  Speaker 4: a starter and accept.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, we got a freeze from Greg. I got
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  Speaker 1: a freeze from Greg. All right, we'll try to get
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  Speaker 1: Greg going again.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead here, Yeah, I can pick up on on. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Greg is right to mention Okada and Josh Job in
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  Speaker 3: the same category in the sense of of how you
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  Speaker 3: how you approach the game as a professional, and you
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  Speaker 3: come on and you can impress. I do think there's
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  Speaker 3: a distinction to be made in terms of of their
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  Speaker 3: skills set. Like title Kada strikes me as an overchiever,
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  Speaker 3: like you are, You're you're smallest, you don't, you don't,
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  Speaker 3: you don't run great, what have you? The only way
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna make it is if you're smart enough to
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  Speaker 3: be in the right spot and tough. But but there's there,
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  Speaker 3: there's a limited toolbox. Josh Job, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 3: out of Alabama was a top self recruit and you
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  Speaker 3: look at his body style, He's run all the measurables
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  Speaker 3: the youth that Josh Job, that's not an overachiever. That's
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  Speaker 3: a guy that likely you know. And Carl Scott was
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  Speaker 3: his the current defensive secondary coach and defensive past coordinator
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  Speaker 3: he was at Alabama. Carl Scott is a tremendous coach. Like,
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  Speaker 3: there's a reason Josh Job is playing well that goes
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  Speaker 3: beyond just overachieving. He's got a toolbox that is be
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  Speaker 3: fitting an NFL starter in a manner that in my mind, Greg,
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  Speaker 3: if you're back, is different than Ocata, who I think
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  Speaker 3: is an overachiever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: The parallel is that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Josh Job came in midstream at the end of training
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: camp last year after the Eagles waived him and was
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: not in their plans, and neither was Tyle Kotta for
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: this season. But you're right, Job is the reason of
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: large reason why Witherspoon played sixty plus percent of the snaps.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: You talked about a nickel last year, because I didn't
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: want to take Job off the field. Events became a
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: starter as the third corner. They love Joe McDonald loves Joe.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: He loves how he tackles, he loves how he plays
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the ball in the air. I think that's why Greek
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: willing if they stick even Worry in the middle and
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: keep him a nickel and they put Witherspoon out against
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Washington Sunday night, that they will play less of Greek
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Willen unless they go dime and then they could keep
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: all of them on the field, But then you only
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: have one linebacker. He would be Ernest Jones. And to
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: be taking Drake Thomas off the field. And Drake Thomas
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: has had a good season. Another unexpected guy who's earned
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: his playing time.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell, Hugh Millan with us here twelve man roundtable.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: It's interesting here we're going to get into the offense.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: The return of Robbi hoots in our next segment, But
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you brought up skinny guys a little bit earlier. We
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about the injuries being a big part of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: this game, like they are every single week, and how
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: much has to go into keeping guys healthy and scouting
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: four guys that you think it'll be healthy at the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: next level. Maybe have to have warning flags around skinny guys,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and and Bucky challenged a little bit of your mathew.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you sometimes will go the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: typical thing is a third offense, a third defense, a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: third special teams, And then you say, well, it's actually
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: more like, you know, how do you pass offensively and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: run offensively?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Great point, but well, I'm just wondering if it's like, okay,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: still to your point, I mean, how do you pass,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: how do you run? How do you stop the run?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: How do you stop the pass? How do you keep
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: guys healthy? Shouldn't that be part of the equation you It.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Feels like it's a third, It feels like it's every
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: bit as valuable you as offense and defense is how
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: well you keep people?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: He sure, sure, Well, we can have cohesion on this
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: in the following way. And first of all, I had
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: credit Don James who said that it's offense defensive special
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: teams are all a third, I respectfully because I respect
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Don James Moore than any man I've ever known in
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: my life. Sorry, Dad, you may be listening from up there,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: but it's not just the truth. But no, no, you
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: keep working at it. But I think it's it's a
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: special teams. I think is more like twenty percent. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: think how you run it, how you throw it, how
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you defend the run, how you defend the past. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: think I think they're all about twenty percent of the game.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Where injuries, I don't think that they've become a separate category.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I think that how you are, let's say, running the ball,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: if you take on injuries, now all of a sudden,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: that twenty percent is still twenty percent. You're just not
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: going to be as good at it because of the injuries.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: So we can agree that injuries are going to take
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: a substantial portion. I just think it eats into your
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: your your quote, your calculus in each of those phases.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: That makes sense, Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I guess that's my way of saying that athletic and strength.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Coaches are more important than kickers and punters, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I Buckett thought about it. I'm actually very honored to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: be third on the list of the people that Hugh
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Millan respects.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: That also know if he went there, I.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Think Don James's dad and me is how I took
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that that was mine?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I think you misinterpreted it, yeah, because I think he
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: just said he wasn't apologizing to you about not being I.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: First said I had work to do to catch up
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to Don James. That's how I took it, didn't Third's good.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I like that, you know, if it helps you sleep
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: at night.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: It's our twelfth man round, nipping on dad's heels.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Chuck buck Ashley and of course our experts, Greg Bell,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Hugh Millan with us as we talked some Huskies or
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: not Huskies football, Seahawks football, as we get ready for
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Sunday night against the Washington Commanders. Let's look at the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Greg, I'm going to start
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you again. Update on Robbie oots availability, how excited Mike
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: McDonald Clint Kubiak are to have him back, and how
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: much we might see him play Sunday night.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Well, first can I talked about how excited I am
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: that Rick Springfield still does concerts. I learned that in
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the commercial break. I cannot believe that that guys gets
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: paid to still performed.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He was an eighties heart drops.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Eighties heart drop, well, he wasn't worth He wasn't worth
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: paying in the eighties to watch him, and I can't
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: believe he's still doing it. Robbie Oots is back from
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: that I injured reserve. He had ankle injury. They've missed him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: They are in the ten percentile of I formation two
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: back sets. They were going to be twenty five plus.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Last year. Clint Kubiak of the Saints was a twenty
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: five percent I formation two back guy. They're at ten
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: percent right now in twenty one formation to twenty one personnel,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: two backs, one tight end. That's not how they were
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: supposed to play, and that has a contributing factor to
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: this run game not performing the way at once to
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: at the beginning and in training camp and in the preseason,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Oops was just clearing dudes out in the lead blocker
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: with tailbacks, Kenneth Walker's ex Charmoney Fallen, even George Mlani
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: getting yards behind him two hundred and seventy five pounds
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: as a fullback is a difference maker. That's why they
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: drafted him in the fifth round. That's why they converted
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: him from a college tight end at Alabama. Yesterday, McDonald
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: said he's got a chance to play. They wouldn't have
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: brought him back when they did from injured reserve if
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: they don't think he can jump right in and play.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: That's why they waited as long as they did a
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks past the four week minimum to bring
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: him back. The bye week helps in this regard, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna play. I think they're gonna go
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: more eye formation than they've gone in a month plus
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that he hasn't been there. Let's see if that helps
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: jump start a really sputtering run game and lessens the
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: need to throw the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigmit
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: ninety percent of the time to move the ball. Maybe
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: we're a stating a rookie fullbacks importance, but it's a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: piece they haven't had and they planned on having all year.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Are we here? Are we overstating that?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I think my numbers are come up a little different
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: than Greg's. I think some of them are the same.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I'm greg. I've got weeks one through three, Seattle had
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: sixty four plays with two backs on the field, that
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: was third in the NFL. And rushes rushes with two backs.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Let's see where we agree and where we might disagree.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Rushes I have sixteen per game, which was number one
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. That's rush at tamps. But yards per
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: rush I have the Seahawks in those with oots in
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: weeks one through three, I've got two point six yards
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: per rush, seventeenth in the NFL. So they were trying
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: number one in effort, but you know, mid two point six,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you know, like that's kind of gross, well under three.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: But one thing to point out during that time, Darnold
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: his yards per attempt with two backs on the field
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: twelve point nine yards per attempt, which you know is
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: over it right now, is number one in the NFL
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: at nine point one. So they were getting a lot
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of big plays out of that. Look, I feel like
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I could write an essay on the I formation. You know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I have PTSD from running it at University of Washington.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: There are things that are really good about it. Now
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: when you take five eligible receivers, let's just talk philosophically,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: if you take two of your five eligible receivers and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: put them right behind the quarterback, what routes can they run?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: How can they stretch the defense in the passing game
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: horizontally or laterally. All you can do with a tailback
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: is run a swing or a check down laid in
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the down. If you have split backs and one of
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the running backs is offset or both of them, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: can run little Texas routes, which is angle routes over
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the middle. You can run option routes. You can run
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: arrows to the flat where in man to man coverage
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you have the threat of running to the inside, so
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you have a better chance of getting open outside. If
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you run a swing for my formation and man and man,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: that's a really easy cover. The linebacker just runs out there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: So and I could go on more. It's a really
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: good formation. It's the following on first and on neutral downs.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: If you go play action, you're more likely to induce
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a single hike. That's cover three, cover one, and you
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: can get man and man opportunities outside. But but look,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: he had that unbelievable block against the Steelers block two
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: guys on one play. Uh. But but I think that
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: there's a disappointment in how they rush with oots. So
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's yet to be determined
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: his impact. So I don't know, maybe you have a
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: different I'm going off the NFL stat portal and and
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I just don't think there's numbers to support that Utz's
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: presence is going to all of a sudden triggered the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: running game. Maybe it will, but it didn't in weeks
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: one through three. Well, let's look to the Commander's defensive
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: side of the ball. Somebody that Robbie Eats might have
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to block is somebody we know really well, and that
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: is Bobby Wagner. I'll flip it back to you first
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: on this one, Hugh, because I remember his last year
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: as a Sea Hawk. You were wondering if he was,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you know, losing that step that is so coveted in
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the National Football League.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And here he is now several years later, Yeah, still
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: tackling fools. What kind of player do you still see
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on the Commander's side from our beloved number fifty four.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I love Bobby Wagner as a Sea Hawk. You know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite of all time. And by
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the way, in my opinion, he is the most accomplished
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Seahawk in a Seahawk uniform in the history of the franchise.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Walter Jones had had nine Pro Bowls, the same number
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: as Bobby as a Sea Hawk, but Walter Jones at
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: four for Team All Pros, Bobby had six. Largent had
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: seven Pro Bowls, just one First Team All Pro. So
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: you know, we can go on on the rest. He's
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the most decorated Seahawk of all time. But in his
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: later years, greg I thought he was catching blocks as
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: opposed to taking on. And there's a stat that I'm
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: about to cite that perfectly illustrates this, and the NFL
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: calls it yards per tackle. You hover over your mouse
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: over there and it gives you a definition quote. I'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: gonna read it the way it says average offensive yards
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: gain when player made the tackle end quote. In twenty
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: thirteen and fourteen, those are the Super Bowl years Bobby Wagner,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: when he on his tackles, they averaged four point three
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: yards gain. That was of all middle linebackers with a
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: combined one hundred and fifty tackles in those two years.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Bobby Wagger was number one in that Remember that number,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Bucky four point three. His last four years with the Seahawks,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: he averaged it was six point three, and specifically in
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, Bobby Wagner led the NFL
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: in tackles at one hundred and fifty nine, but that
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: stat yards per tackle was six point nine. Imagine a
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: running back who who you know had six point nine
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: and falls to four point three or was four point
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: three and goes to six point nine. That's a significant jump.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: That's the difference between Bobby Wagner in the Super Bowl
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: years to Bobby Wagner late who was still making tackles,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: but they were not nearly as impactful.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, he's still in the middle of dan Quinn's defense,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: and as long as dan Quin's the coach looks like
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be there, he is. He has been victimized
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: in the past game, as has Washington's defense across the hole,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: and that that's where you would go if you're gonna
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: go at Bobby Wagner. He never comes off the field.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I mentioned he played one hundred percent of the snaps
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Monday night. If you're gonna do it, you're gonna send
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: receivers at him and try to see if he can
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: stay with them horizontally and vertically. They had the Seahawks
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: have options to do that Arroyo Barner and come to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: mine in particular, crossing routes and Smith and Jigbins and
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Cup have done a lot of so far this season.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: They will send that Bobby Wagner's way. He's second in
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: the NFL and tackles. I don't have the yards per
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: tackle ahead of me right now.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Over the last two years, he's so he's gotten better. Yeah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: he's better than his his last year's with Seattle.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I will tell you that he is probably exceeded by
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: two years his own expectations on how long he was
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: going to play. When he came back to Seattle, and
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I talked to him after that one RAMS season, it
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: seemed like that was coming back to finish his career
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: with Seattle. And then dan Quinn gets the head coaching
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: job at Washington and I mentioned on the show earlier
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: this week, dan Quinn is really close and vice versa
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: with Bobby Wagner, and they spent a lot of Wagner's
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: formative years in the early twenty tens together in meetings
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: and in sidelines and in games. So Quinn has an
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: affinity for Wagner, probably more than any other head coach
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: that's not named Pete Carroll in the NFL. That's why
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Wagner went to the East Coast. Incidentally, Mike McDonald tried
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to get him on the Baltimore Ravens the year that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: he went to the Rams. They had a visit in
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Baltimore at Owings Mills, at the facility outside Baltimore the
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Ravens had there and McDonald said he was blown away.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: He said that there was a gravitas to the visit
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: of Bobby Wagner, a future Hall of Famer with a
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: first year, thirty four year old offense defensive coordinator at
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the time, and he said he was an off and
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: at the time, Wagner said he didn't want to go
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: to the East coast, in a native California from the
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Inland Empire, had always played his career on the West
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Coast and that's why he signed with his hometown Rams,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: with team he grew up following instead of signing with Baltimore. Then,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: once dan Qui gets the job, he didn't mind moving
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: the East to Washington. Why he's there, but he's going
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: to be thirty six next year, and yet he's still
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: playing one hundred percent of the snaps. And whether his
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: production and yards and tackles have gone down, he's still
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: playing a car crash position at age thirty five and
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: a half in his fourteenth year, at one hundred percent
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of the snaps. It impresses me anyway. I thought he
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: was going to be done after that year in Seattle.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Well, if he plays one more season, he's going to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: retire as the old time tackler in NFL history, who
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: will lead the National Football League's history in tackles if
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he decides to suit up again next season. All right,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: coming up next, we'll wrap up our twelfth Man Round
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Table with some keys, some predictions, and huge final thoughts.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, Final segment, twelfth
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Man Round Table right here on checking Box Sports Radio
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: ninety three point three kjr FM. Humel, Greg Bell, we'll
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: get their final thoughts here, Greg, I jump right to you.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What kind of game we're gonna be watching on Sunday?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: What kind of result we're gonna see.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be something of a shootout. I
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: think the Seahawks are gonna score a lot of points.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: You look at Washington, they're twenty seventh in total defense,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: twenty second against the run, twenty first against their total points,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: twenty sixth against the pass. This could be another Jackson
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Smith and Jigbiday on Sunday Night. The mitigating factor is
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: that could keep Washington close and maybe even lose the
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: game for Seattle. The ones that are common in all games,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: and that's turnovers. Seattle is even though they're five and two,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: they're minus four in turnover March in this season. Washington's
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: minus five. I'm gonna rattle off the teams that are
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: minus four or worse in turnover marchs in Minnesota, the Giants,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: the Titans, the Panthers, the Raiders, the Dolphins, the forty
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: nine Ers, the Commanders, the Ravens, and the Jets, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks. Only the Seahawks and the forty nine Ers
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: are winning teams that are turning the ball over at
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: the rate like the Seahawks are without getting as many takeaways.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: That can't last. McDonald's had a big focus on that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Donald at times has been careless with the ball, thinks, sack,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: fumble in the end zone against Houston. That can't happen.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: He turns the ball over in the red zone a
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: few times. That cost him the couple games, including San
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Francisco in Week one. So they're not perfect. Yes, Donald
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: has been great, but he's not perfect. He's got to
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: protect the ball better. If he protects the ball. On
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Sunday night, Seahawks win like twenty seven to seventeen because
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: there are just so many problems in Washington. They're talking
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: about selling the farm in Washington and trading guys trying
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: to get draft picks by Tuesday. Wow, as if the
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: season may be over there.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, all right, Hugh. Final thoughts, Where
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: are we going to go to wrap up the roundtable
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: here today?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah? To Greg's point there, the Commanders are the oldest
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: team in the n FELL, the only team with an
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: average age over twenty eight and by the way, Seattle
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: is fifth youngest, the Packers are the number one youngest.
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  Speaker 3: But just to I would say some concerns for me
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  Speaker 3: that I hope Seattle cleans up. If Greg's right and
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  Speaker 3: it's a shootout. Pressures quarterback pressures that is comprised of
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  Speaker 3: the sum of quarterback hits, hurries and sacks. The Sea
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  Speaker 3: Hawk pressure rate the percentage of passes that the Seahawk
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  Speaker 3: defense produces a pressure. In quarters one, two, and three,
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks are second in the NFL at pressure rate.
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  Speaker 3: In the fourth quarter, they're twenty second. Greg. Greg and
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  Speaker 3: I were texting there in the break. I was asking
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  Speaker 3: about Derek Hall, whether you know not that Derek Hall
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a big factor. But he allows
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  Speaker 3: a better rotation so that the seacok defenders aren't gased.
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  Speaker 3: I think there may be as rush or defensive lineman.
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  Speaker 3: I'm short in that regard. And then and then the
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  Speaker 3: other the other thought I have is Okay, Terry McLaurin
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  Speaker 3: is out, but he's only played two games again over
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  Speaker 3: thirty years old, so so it's it's a familiar foe.
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  Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel is by far the number one guy. They've
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  Speaker 3: got thirty four attempts with him, there's one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: two passer rating. When you target him, he's more in
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  Speaker 3: the slot than he is outside. When he's outside, he's
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  Speaker 3: more to the Seahawks defense's left side. Who's ever playing
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  Speaker 3: left corner? Zach Ertz is next, but but Jalen Lynn.
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  Speaker 3: You go from thirty four targets Deebo Samuel. The next
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  Speaker 3: closest receiver is Jalen Lynn at fourteen, well under half, right,
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  Speaker 3: So so I think stop stop some guys that we
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  Speaker 3: If you're a football fan, you know a lot about
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  Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel, certainly in these parts, and and and zach Kertz.
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  Speaker 3: And and final thought on zach Ertz because there's one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and nineteen passer rating when throwing to him. The
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks defense against tight ends, oh do I have it?
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  Speaker 3: They are twenty fifth in terms of past success past
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  Speaker 3: defense success. And that's a matrix according to the yards
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  Speaker 3: gained on first, second, or third down. But whatever, they've
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  Speaker 3: had their troubles with tight ends. Zach Ertz is a
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  Speaker 3: guy that they'll have to be at tending to.
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  Speaker 4: All right, guys, real quick speak, excuse me speaking of
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  Speaker 4: Derek Hall. They need to get more out of boy
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  Speaker 4: Mafey office of Derek Hall. They haven't gotten enough production
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  Speaker 4: out of mafe There's some an like numbers out there
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  Speaker 4: that says one of the top outside linebackers and I
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  Speaker 4: haven't seen it. They need him to pressure the quarterback
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  Speaker 4: when they need him to tackle in space better. He
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  Speaker 4: could be traded by Tuesday. He's someone with value still
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  Speaker 4: in his rookie contract that would come cheaply, that would
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  Speaker 4: give the Seahawks back a return much more than Rik
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  Speaker 4: Woolan would at this point in my mind, that's a
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  Speaker 4: got to look at before Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, John Met, Thank you very much, appreciate it. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk to you again later this week.
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  Speaker 4: Happy week, Thank you, all right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Hugh Mellon, Greg Bell with us. Our twelve man roundtable
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: comes to a close. We'll talk to both of those
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: gentlemen for sure tomorrow Greg at seven o five and
• 38:17
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• 38:23
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