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Ironheart Episode Four: "Bad Magic" Review & Reaction! · For All Nerds Show

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Speaker 1: Hey and Anette. This is Tatiana King of for All Nerds.
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Speaker 2: And on this episode we review episode four of Ironheart
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Speaker 2: where we watched Ezekiel Stain become white Lightning tragedy.
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Speaker 1: So let's keep moving. We want to talk about episode four.
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Speaker 2: And he talked about choices, Ben and that terrible ass
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Speaker 2: repass was a choice?
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Speaker 3: Why was it terrible?
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Speaker 1: They didn't really do it?
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Speaker 3: Do it right?
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Speaker 1: For my man's.
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Speaker 2: John John, they had a lot more money, like they
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Speaker 2: definitely have dollars right now, like they have funds.
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Speaker 3: And they sat him in the barn, ordered.
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Speaker 4: Some l that was out the boxes. They an't even.
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Speaker 1: Play the.
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Speaker 2: Shakeoola's Catherin from Madicpoor Magic Poor showed up and said,
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Speaker 2: so can y'all say.
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Speaker 1: Something nice about John Tving and b and.
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Speaker 2: Doing criminal activities for who knows years at this point?
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Speaker 4: Months has he been months?
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Speaker 3: I think it's been months?
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Speaker 2: Is you doing crimes with your hood red friends for
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Speaker 2: three four five months?
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Speaker 1: You had nothing nice to say about each other. And
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Speaker 1: they looked at each other like.
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Speaker 5: Clown headfirst into the table like episodes ago. You know,
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Speaker 5: you know she was she was not was just like well, I.
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Speaker 4: Can't say it was terrible. They hated that.
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Speaker 1: Nigga bad Like.
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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best actors on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: oh yeah.
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Speaker 6: I remember seeing him in Good Girls and just his
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Speaker 6: his presence. You almost kind of think about him him
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Speaker 6: being the Hood a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But I think that is the right casting.
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Speaker 6: Because it's it's he's somebody who I guess he I
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Speaker 6: don't know the age in real life, but he reads older.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And why the why Hood would.
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Speaker 6: Look up to him Parker, Parker would look up to
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Speaker 6: him and just and and really so his death and
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Speaker 6: I think one of the things that I appreciate about
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Speaker 6: this series as a whole. It's a mini series, and
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Speaker 6: it treats it treats things like a mini series where
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Speaker 6: like anybody can get it, and just because you like
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Speaker 6: this character, just because this character is is Oh I
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Speaker 6: like this character, and it's like, oh, he's gone now,
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Speaker 6: and now everybody has to deal with the aftermath of
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Speaker 6: his death. And it's something that you know, I think
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Speaker 6: trauma is a really big thing in this show, which
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Speaker 6: I was pleasantly like astounded by, you know, for a
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Speaker 6: lot of characters, not just really yeah for them.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that about trauma being like a
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Speaker 2: huge theme along this this mini series, because first of all,
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Speaker 2: that's a deeper theme that's not often visited in Marvel
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Speaker 2: projects one on and then certainly not one that that
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Speaker 2: has a short by at least at least for season
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Speaker 2: one and hopefully they're decent two, but a shorter lifespan
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Speaker 2: where you don't think that they're going to allow the
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Speaker 2: space for that. But then that I had mentioned before
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Speaker 2: episodes back, that it gives more humanities to the characters,
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Speaker 2: whether they're they're quote, you know, the bad guy or
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Speaker 2: the good guy or the in between person, you still
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Speaker 2: see that there are layers to them. They're just not
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Speaker 2: a flat, you know, flat one note character. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's what I mean, that's part of what makes
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Speaker 2: these stories good, right, having the tragedy or having you
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Speaker 2: have to have some sort of conflict there, right, And
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Speaker 2: in this case, is that trauma that so many people
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Speaker 2: in this show are experiencing on multiple levels.
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Speaker 1: And I just think that makes it even stronger because.
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Speaker 2: It gives you more depth to these people, makes you
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Speaker 2: actually care about what's going on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even think about how the memorial is
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Speaker 3: time to try.
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Speaker 2: Everything you know, I had a crazy I had a
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Speaker 2: crazy trip back today on the planes and stuff, and
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Speaker 2: so I had a chance to kind of just scrub
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Speaker 2: through everything again and I was just like, damn, that
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Speaker 2: was a.
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Speaker 1: Terrible last time.
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Speaker 2: Like there was no food or nothing, and like well
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Speaker 2: pizza so whatever you said, cold piece or whatever.
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Speaker 1: It just it was just.
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Speaker 2: Funny to me, but more indicative of like, y'all thinguts
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Speaker 2: don't really have a plan. Like it was like it
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Speaker 2: made it more apparently this is just a slap slap
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Speaker 2: shot like just thrown together ragtag team that you know,
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Speaker 2: like like a like a broke down Ocean's eleven type shit.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if that was on purpose or otherwise,
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Speaker 2: but like it was just like y'all think its don't
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Speaker 2: know what y'all do when like it's a bunch of individuals. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not exactly a team. And then you know later
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Speaker 2: on you see how them individuals it's like, wo a minute,
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Speaker 2: they didn't one.
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Speaker 4: A minute they not.
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Speaker 5: So I mean this is not the edgement, Like this
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Speaker 5: is not where they've been raised with Charles and Xavior,
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Speaker 5: you know, and this ain't even the second Edgeman Wolverine
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Speaker 5: where they're grown and they all had their own thing
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Speaker 5: going on, and they came together as a team. But
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Speaker 5: this might be like that, but they never get a
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Speaker 5: chance to form that bombs because there's no real Te
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Speaker 5: Tavy here.
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Speaker 3: It's a bad Magnito impression, I guess.
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Speaker 5: And now I just thought I didn't realize how trash
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Speaker 5: his memorial was, but I did like the opening scene
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Speaker 5: where it shows John's saving Carter and then how that
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Speaker 5: went into the memorial scene, because I thought that was
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Speaker 5: a great flashback and a great last chance for a
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Speaker 5: dude to give some great acting and once again, like
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Speaker 5: you said, Chris, for you to see why Carter looks
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Speaker 5: up to him and why the loss of John is
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Speaker 5: going to drive Carter completely over the edge as it does.
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Speaker 2: No it does, and with Parker, I was laughing also
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Speaker 2: how he was plotting on re Re like you saw
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Speaker 2: that like that that the influence of the hood and
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Speaker 2: all this other stuff just really got to him in
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Speaker 2: that space. And then you could again I think Anthony Ramos,
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Speaker 2: he's done in the excellent like he's leveled up in
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Speaker 2: this role to be able to be palpable with.
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Speaker 1: The tension and the really show like he ain't up
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Speaker 1: to no good.
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Speaker 2: I think again, something that has been sorely lacking out
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Speaker 2: of Marvel for a long time.
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Speaker 3: GENC, you had something?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think they opened this episode with Rere and Natalie
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Speaker 7: back at her house, right, is that that's how it starts,
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Speaker 7: and Natalie is kind of trying to console rereover John.
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Speaker 4: Uh that's his.
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Speaker 7: Name, John, John's murder.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh you're talking about AI Natalie?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, anyway, I might have maybe I said this
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Speaker 7: last week. I don't know, but I appreciated the way
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Speaker 7: that Natalie was trying to bring Rere back to reality
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Speaker 7: because is being real hard on herself. I appreciated the
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Speaker 7: friendship and the ability of Natalie to kind of be
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Speaker 7: the voice of comfort and reason, and it kind of
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Speaker 7: brought to light like their relationship and the ways in
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Speaker 7: which Natalie is kind of a manifestation of we re
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Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, So like while three Ree
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Speaker 7: is experiencing this kind of self doubt, negative self talk
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Speaker 7: about I mean, it was a really traumatic thing to
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Speaker 7: kill that man when she probably could have wrapped him but.
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Speaker 1: Listened to you talk about that.
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Speaker 2: But in the heat of the moment though, and we
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Speaker 2: all know Reebe's a very tunnel vision person.
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Speaker 7: I think like, honestly, for somebody who was worried that
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Speaker 7: a cop almost died, when she almost died, I feel
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Speaker 7: like that character who was worried about that cop would
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Speaker 7: have went back and got that.
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Speaker 4: Boy, got John out the out the thing. You know
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It just it doesn't track for what
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Speaker 4: they've been trying to convince us. Like, it just didn't.
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Speaker 4: It didn't add up for me in that moment.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think she was you know that
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Speaker 3: he got that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's that's fair to go ahead.
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Speaker 3: To the hood. He knew that she had that piece
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Speaker 3: of the hood, so.
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Speaker 1: She you know, I mean he did try to kill her.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, he's trying to kill her. So he's like,
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Speaker 3: oh he left him in there.
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Speaker 6: Sorry, I don't know, I.
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Speaker 3: Don't know.
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Speaker 5: No, I agree with Genisia all a sudden, know, like, no,
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that. I don't think that really was
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Speaker 5: as concerned with the cop. But I get it. It's
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Speaker 5: a cop, I get it, But.
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Speaker 4: It was also sorry.
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Speaker 7: It was also in a moment where she almost died.
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Speaker 7: That's why to me, when she's like somebody almost died.
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Speaker 1: It's just felt so, you know, so you almost died
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Speaker 1: to what about?
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Speaker 4: Right, and in that moment you're working.
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Speaker 7: Okay, So this is actually a perfect example because this
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Speaker 7: was a moment where she almost died. It was a
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Speaker 7: lot of things happening in that moment, right, So in
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Speaker 7: a moment where she almost died, she's worried that this
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Speaker 7: cop was almost killed or whatever, right, and in a
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Speaker 7: moment where she was almost dying, now they leave John in.
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Speaker 4: There to die. You know, it's just it's just, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: I get the point that she couldn't breathe, I get it,
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Speaker 7: but it did I.
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Speaker 5: Don't think I think the suit leaves John and there
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Speaker 5: to die and she's just trying in the suit. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I mean Natalie is really about like that's why Natalie.
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Speaker 3: That intentionally, like that made her choice.
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Speaker 2: That is that has made it Natalie AI's prime directive
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Speaker 2: is to protect at all costs, so.
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Speaker 3: Much higher in that moment well too.
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Speaker 2: Of course, of course I will say that episode four,
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Speaker 2: especially on the first watch, it was one of my
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Speaker 2: maybe one of the most favorite episodes for me because
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Speaker 2: of the huge introduction of the magic mixed with the Yeah,
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Speaker 2: not like we've seen the magic in MCU, but really, like, again,
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Speaker 2: for such a short mini series, for them to be
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Speaker 2: able to really.
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Speaker 1: Have a fleshed out like detour.
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Speaker 2: Literally a spinning detour into the magic world, that shit
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Speaker 2: was fire to me.
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Speaker 1: Like for them to be able to build it up in.
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Speaker 2: Such a short amount of time and it still makes
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Speaker 2: sense and it didn't feel rush to me.
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Speaker 1: It just felt like it was a fully built.
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Speaker 2: World that was always in the background and that was
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Speaker 2: the point, right, Just like how like when you watch
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Speaker 2: the Doctor Strains films, how there's this other world going
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Speaker 2: on back there that you just don't see. They lift
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Speaker 2: the veil a little bit, you know, they go into
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Speaker 2: the mirror and they you know, they in the mirror verse,
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Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they are at the time, it's the
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Speaker 2: same situation, like the magic is always there, the just
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Speaker 2: happening all around you, and now we're gonna pull you
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Speaker 2: into the space.
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Speaker 1: And it it felt for the way.
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Speaker 2: Re Read and her mom when they went like when
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Speaker 2: they went to that shop and met Zelma and it
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Speaker 2: met up with Madeline and like you could that shocked
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Speaker 2: feeling like what the fuck does happened? I felt that
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Speaker 2: and I think that's good writing. I think for you
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Speaker 2: to be put into the shoes of the main character
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Speaker 2: and be able to feel like the shifts like that
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Speaker 2: those are And I don't know if webc magic like
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Speaker 2: that before, but that's a major shift away from everything
10:31
Speaker 2: she's known as far as I know, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if she seeing doctor Strange doing his.
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Speaker 1: Shit or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Really, I know she's been with Makana and then, but
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Speaker 2: that's still tech. Yeah, so you know, yes, it's spirituality,
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Speaker 2: but it's also tech. So I I think that was
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Speaker 2: the first time so for her to be like, hey, yo,
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Speaker 2: like I felt that.
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Speaker 7: I love that, And I love that her mom has
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Speaker 7: always been kind of.
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Speaker 4: Woo woo, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 7: So when the girl is like, you know, she throws
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Speaker 7: that thing and she's like, oh, I'm reading I'm reading
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Speaker 7: tea leave, the mom.
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Speaker 4: Is like, oh, yeah, I could do that.
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Speaker 7: And then she throws it on the glass and she's like,
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Speaker 7: oh no, no, never mind, not like not like that.
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Speaker 4: That's that's something else. That's something else.
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Speaker 7: I like how they blended in that aspect of like
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Speaker 7: real life conjure with the magic of the Marvel universe.
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Speaker 3: That was dope.
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Speaker 2: Facts and I don't want to also bring up something
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Speaker 2: you said before, which was so strong in this episode
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Speaker 2: just seeing Chree Summers, like seeing her not just her voice,
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Speaker 2: seeing her and seeing her essentially play herself in a
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Speaker 2: little bit because you said you use the term she
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Speaker 2: kind of wo She always been kind of a and
11:31
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So you know, she came in with
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Speaker 2: the Gandolf hat and I'm like, yes, this is this
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Speaker 2: is what I want to see, and like it just
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Speaker 2: felt natural. It didn't feel like people play in a character.
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Speaker 2: It just felt like this is what these people like,
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Speaker 2: this is.
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Speaker 1: How they move in life.
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Speaker 2: And it was just and that's the other part about
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Speaker 2: the whole bringing the magic in it. It was strong
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Speaker 2: and how it was built and it's fun. Like that's
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Speaker 2: why I like Doctor at least the other ones. I
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Speaker 2: liked the Doctor trans films because it brought an element
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Speaker 2: of fun and just weird mysticism to it that you
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Speaker 2: just wasn't seeing with all the practical stuff.
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Speaker 7: Yes, and the youthfulness of the girl, so what's the
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Speaker 7: youngest Zelma. The youthfulness of Zelma reminded me because re
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Speaker 7: Rey is doing all kind of like grown up shit.
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Speaker 7: It reminded me that re Re is a kid, you
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Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, right right, So the parallel of
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Speaker 7: the two moms and the two daughters in this teenagers
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Speaker 7: in this scenario kind of helped to reground things in
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Speaker 7: terms of like, Okay, these are kids playing with like
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Speaker 7: for real intense grown up shit, you know.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, casually distressing Dormamu, which is in the fifth episode.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I really loved this too, because we talked about this
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Speaker 5: last week, how it into how this series has grown
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Speaker 5: this whole world around Reread, full of all these characters
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Speaker 5: that we've never seen before, and a lot of them
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Speaker 5: are very well developed, especially like Zelma and Madeline.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I love how there's all this stuff like, oh,
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Speaker 5: you could have raised me, you know about commatage, you know.
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Speaker 5: And then there's all the little mentions of magic. You know,
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Speaker 5: you see her performing magic in the same way that
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Speaker 5: Doctor Strange and others.
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Speaker 1: Have done second nature.
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Speaker 5: And then that was the other thing I loved the
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Speaker 5: second nature about it is how her mom, like you said,
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Speaker 5: not only is her mom you know, got her own
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Speaker 5: version of magic, but just how accepting both her mom
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Speaker 5: and Rere are of this because they live in the
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Speaker 5: Marvel universe. And that's what's really great writing to me.
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Speaker 5: It's like they're not sitting there like, oh my god,
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Speaker 5: you know what. I'm running around the magic room like
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Speaker 5: what just happened?
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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, what's this?
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Speaker 5: And is more like, okay, that was a little weird
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Speaker 5: that happened. But I always knew you were kind of magical,
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Speaker 5: you know, free, and now I know you really are,
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Speaker 5: and of course your daughter is. And you know, we've
13:46
Speaker 5: all seen Doctor Strange on television at this point for
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Speaker 5: years upon years, I'm sure s Charlotte Witch and most
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Speaker 5: of the other you know, quite a few known.
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Speaker 2: Magic uses said that like when it happened, and and
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Speaker 2: mom was like what the fuck?
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Speaker 1: She was just like, well, y'all never heard of the niggas.
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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you have to.
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Speaker 1: And again this.
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Speaker 2: Goes back to what we say about the continuity of
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Speaker 2: the MCU. Acknowledge that shit happens, Acknowledge that there's a
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Speaker 2: fucking celestial and then see you know something like that,
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Speaker 2: like you gotta because this happens, has happened, and let's
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Speaker 2: let's live and have the character speak on things as
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Speaker 2: if this should happen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, could they.
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Speaker 5: All live in a very insane world and that's why,
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Speaker 5: you know, they have to acknowledge.
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Speaker 2: These things, right, Chris, did you have any to say
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Speaker 2: about just the magic and how you felt about all that?
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Speaker 6: I kind of just echoing what you said earlier. I
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Speaker 6: really loved seeing Crease Summer. I love the just very
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Speaker 6: naturalistic acting, just being able to juxtapose that magical aspect
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Speaker 6: and have it grounded as well as just like a
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Speaker 6: mother and daughter kind of having this conversation with exposition
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Speaker 6: about their life and still being connected to what's going on.
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Speaker 3: I thought, I thought it was great.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just and and then you know, just as
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Speaker 6: a fan of a different world and all that, you know,
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Speaker 6: it's just great to see Crease Summer. Hadn't seen her,
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Speaker 6: I don't remember since maybe at Atlanta, the Atlanta finale.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: She's also been on Abby's.
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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's been doing great on there.
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Speaker 6: So yeah, just grounded performances. It's just just like they
15:20
Speaker 6: people just step into these parts and give full of
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Speaker 6: last performances.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Sarah Hawley, I think that's her last name, Sarah Finn Hawley,
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Speaker 5: the casting director of Marvel. We've mentioned her for a
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Speaker 5: few times, and she's a goddamn legend. You know, I
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Speaker 5: will give her praises at every opportunity.
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Speaker 3: I said it on Threads the.
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Speaker 5: Other day that she's the most important part of the
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Speaker 5: MCU because her casting. So the daughter is Madeline, right, Yeah,
15:51
Speaker 5: it's like you just gave this young actress a role
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Speaker 5: and I can see her, you know, being right alongside
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Speaker 5: reread until the end of the MCU. Now, Like, it's
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Speaker 5: just the way that they keep establishing all these characters
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Speaker 5: and given these actors roles, actors and actresses rolls. It's
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Speaker 5: just absolutely amazing.
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Speaker 4: Facts facts, facts.
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Speaker 2: Also in this episode, we see Ezekiel Stain become what
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Speaker 2: I call white lightning. So he the hey, they put
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Speaker 2: the ships in him, and now he got the lightning
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Speaker 2: coming out his fingertips.
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Speaker 5: So I want to say, black common nerd as a
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Speaker 5: video where he dispels the myth that there is a
16:34
Speaker 5: large percentage.
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Speaker 3: Of heroes of black heroes with lightning powers. And I
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Speaker 3: didn't watch the video. I'm just like, yeah, whatever, be
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Speaker 3: don't give me that truth. I know the lots is real.
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Speaker 4: It's fucking hair.
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Speaker 2: Come, Ezekiel, he's you know, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: When they say we got everybody in Mark. He's the
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Speaker 2: mark in this situation. You know, it's all right, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, the one white guy.
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Speaker 1: But I guess he leveled up. I mean with level up,
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Speaker 1: I mean he I mean did they care?
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Speaker 4: I really was okay?
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Speaker 7: So the only thing I like, yeah, I like the
17:11
Speaker 7: connection to Obadiah. And then that's where it starts for me.
17:18
Speaker 7: We spent so much time. There was so many other
17:21
Speaker 7: things that could have been done with the time that
17:24
Speaker 7: we spent making sure that this was a fully fleshed out,
17:27
Speaker 7: kind but stressed out white man. It was just too
17:32
Speaker 7: much time on this guy who's not a big enough
17:35
Speaker 7: character even in this universe. Like, the payoff for all
17:39
Speaker 7: this building that we did for this white man is
17:41
Speaker 7: not even that great. And honestly, we didn't even leverage
17:46
Speaker 7: all right, So so he gets his strength from uh,
17:50
Speaker 7: his inner white woman, his inner black woman, right, he
17:53
Speaker 7: gets that strength.
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Speaker 4: The payoff for that should be for me, Like.
17:58
Speaker 7: When when Hood has him like doing his deeds, like
18:03
Speaker 7: doing his bidding, that should be funnier. That should be funnier.
18:08
Speaker 7: That shit should lean into more. Like I got this
18:10
Speaker 7: white man, like, no, you're gonna do what I told
18:12
Speaker 7: you kind of stuff like this should if I have
18:14
Speaker 7: to spend so much time learning about this.
18:17
Speaker 4: White man's doubts about himself and how much he wants
18:20
Speaker 4: to help, but he's conflicted, and there was so much
18:25
Speaker 4: time spent with this, give me the payoff of like laughing,
18:30
Speaker 4: Like I should know him well enough to see why
18:32
Speaker 4: it's so funny that the Hood is controlling him. There
18:35
Speaker 4: should be some some comedy in there.
18:37
Speaker 7: There's also a power imbalance there that can that should
18:40
Speaker 7: be played up or power. There's some shit going on there,
18:43
Speaker 7: some dynamics going on there that could be played up
18:45
Speaker 7: for laughs for my personal benefit, because I had to sit,
18:48
Speaker 7: I had to sit as a black girl watching it
18:51
Speaker 7: showed us about the black girl. And we spent so
18:53
Speaker 7: much time on this freaking white man that that we
18:57
Speaker 7: could have spent We could have spent that real estate
18:59
Speaker 7: doing other shit, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: So now we have.
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Speaker 7: The Hood, who we later learn was kicked out of
19:05
Speaker 7: his home, dealt with all type of bullshit or whatever,
19:08
Speaker 7: has been yearning for a certain type of power that
19:10
Speaker 7: he now gets or whatever. We have this this freaking
19:13
Speaker 7: Exekiel who's a millionaire, who lives in this modest ass
19:16
Speaker 7: house so that he can build fucking war machines on
19:20
Speaker 7: the loaf for his own personal delight and fulfillment. You
19:23
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. That sh that should have been
19:25
Speaker 7: played up for laughs, and we got didn't. I didn't
19:28
Speaker 7: get enough from that. It was like his whole purpose
19:31
Speaker 7: there was like, this is a nice, conflicted white boy.
19:35
Speaker 7: Let's spend a lot of time with him, so that
19:37
Speaker 7: you niggas could argue about all the time you didn't
19:40
Speaker 7: spend on other stuff.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, his existence, the amount of time spent was infuriating.
20:04
Speaker 6: Wow, I think of it like that.
20:11
Speaker 4: That's what I do, Chris, You know that.
20:12
Speaker 6: No, I'm aware. I think though. I thought that scene
20:18
Speaker 6: was it was an episode five or six, when he
20:20
Speaker 6: meets his when we meet Parker's dad, that's later on.
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Speaker 3: That's six.
20:24
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the last episode.
20:27
Speaker 3: Okay, so we can't tell that.
20:28
Speaker 4: No, we mean we meet down in five, don't we
20:31
Speaker 4: meet him?
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Speaker 2: But you know, but you know what, Denisia, when you
20:33
Speaker 2: said what was the purpose and all that, and it's
20:35
Speaker 2: actually a really simple purpose and whope, I mean, this is.
20:37
Speaker 1: The only thing that makes sense to me.
20:39
Speaker 2: It was to give her like a B level rival
20:43
Speaker 2: that can always pop up, because.
20:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, but B level doesn't deserve that amount of time.
20:48
Speaker 7: You know.
20:49
Speaker 4: That's that's what that's the issue.
20:51
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, well i'll get you next time, my pretty
20:54
Speaker 1: type ship.
20:55
Speaker 4: I could have did that ship in half the time.
20:57
Speaker 2: I think if nothing else makes sense, well that doesn't
20:59
Speaker 2: make sense either.
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Speaker 5: I know.
21:01
Speaker 3: This is what I'm gonna say.
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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say as a black man, I agree
21:06
Speaker 6: with both of you black women, and I think I
21:10
Speaker 6: think you're right, uh, Tatiana where adversarial character before you
21:16
Speaker 6: get to the big bad And I think that confrontation,
21:19
Speaker 6: I really I don't. I just don't want to go
21:21
Speaker 6: skip ahead too much. But yeah, conversation they have later
21:24
Speaker 6: on in the series was good. And it's when you
21:28
Speaker 6: think that they're supposed to be this trust built that
21:32
Speaker 6: Reread and he have and then for it to be broken.
21:36
Speaker 6: You could see that the anger that he has towards
21:39
Speaker 6: re read later on. But I understand what you're saying.
21:42
Speaker 6: They could have used that time to develop me.
21:45
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, Denisia, how did you
21:46
Speaker 2: feel when re re restateingly or otherwise did well, mistakenly,
21:52
Speaker 2: did exactly what Ezekiel asked her not to do.
21:54
Speaker 4: Have you ever helped to parent a teenager?
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Speaker 7: Yes, it was giving that it was giving, this is
22:02
Speaker 7: what teenagers and he told.
22:04
Speaker 4: Them exactly what to do. You believe in them.
22:07
Speaker 7: Their teenagers are in this awkward space between childhood and adulthood,
22:11
Speaker 7: and you're starting to see them as somebody who can
22:14
Speaker 7: think for themselves and do and make choices, and you
22:16
Speaker 7: trust them and they let you down because sometimes because
22:19
Speaker 7: they're a freaking teenager, you know what I'm saying. So
22:22
Speaker 7: I thought that he was on the right track, Ezekiel
22:26
Speaker 7: when he was like, you know, you're just a teen
22:28
Speaker 7: and you're out for yourself and da dada.
22:29
Speaker 4: He was on the right track.
22:31
Speaker 7: Then once he got juiced up on the steroids, on
22:33
Speaker 7: the electricity steroids.
22:35
Speaker 4: It seemed like a like the energy, I get the anger.
22:39
Speaker 7: Okay, she helped to ruin your life, that you had
22:42
Speaker 7: your cushy life where you able to hide secretly