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PAX Unplugged 2018 · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  [Music] welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm Welcome to our pxs unplugged episode it's a little bit late and we
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  apologize for that and also I apologize for Jenna's absence she's not well and
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  not able to join us unfortunately however I'm here and James is here and
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  we uh we need to talk about packs unplugged yes yes we have lots to talk
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  about with packs unplugged and for some reason every packs unplugged we have a horrible
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  demo yeah I wasn't feeling this particular thing this year no no and it
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  was it looked so cool so um like I've got the I'm not even going to tell you
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  the name of the game yet but we got it pulled up on the website it's 2017
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  nominee for the best two-player board game 2017 nominee for the most innovated
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  board game golden geek nominee International Gamers award finalist 2017
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  nominee for the best game from a small publisher 2017 Nomine for best
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  two-player game like the thing's nailing it and it was
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  horrible maybe it's us I don't it must be us it can't be us we didn't we didn't
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  demo together we demoed separately oh yeah I know that's true yeah that is
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  true well the game we're talking about is the game that everyone was raving
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  about at packs unplugged uh and it is called fog of love and it is a a dating
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  game where you it's two player uh and you're on a date and you flip cards and
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  you kind of try and I guess form a good
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  match between yourselves or do you or do you like try and meet your personal
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  goals I guess I wasn't really clear on whether it's Cooperative or not I was
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  just going to be asking you that because like I I I'm not really sure man I don't
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  see this is I think maybe just does yeah this so we played for maybe 20 minutes
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  right I think was about Fair yes um literally had no idea what I was doing
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  the entire time they were running the demo at one point I pick up the stack of
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  cards um and I was like oh what are these for and the woman running the demo
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  goes oh that's how you win the game it's like well you haven't talked about them
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  at all and then she says well it's too complicated so we're not going to show
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  you in the demo yes okay that was this basically mirrors my experience yes yeah
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  so like the part of the game that helps you understand how to play the game
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  we're not going to show you I wonder the mistake we made was we went on like
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  the last day and so I guess we just they just they were just done with it oh yeah
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  all right that makes sense you think they were just tired of explaining it
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  over and over again we're like maybe maybe I don't although you know thing that
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  happens but yes so fog of love everyone everyone really liked it I I know I just
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  I didn't do it for me at all I actually more accurately I don't think I
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  understood it at all well I'm with you I don't think I
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  understood it um and I'm going to be I'm going to be honest I think personally
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  I'm just moving away from two-player games in general sure yeah um you know
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  when I get a chance to sit down and play games I want to do it with a group of
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  friends and hang out and have fun and like this this would be a game I sit
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  down and play with my wife but I'm not going to simulate a date with my wife
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  sure well that's what I did that is yeah that is what you did
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  and as usual we had no idea what was going on so just like real life exactly but yeah
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  so that was that was a terrible demo um but we also had I think we had some
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  amazing demos um you walked out with with a game from the con right what you
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  got um uh I got a couple I got two actually I got uh the thing infection at Outpost
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  31 I almost said 13 but it's not it's 31 which is a game based on the film The
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  Thing by John Carpenter and it's pretty [ __ ] awesome it is it is it was
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  really good I think there's probably the only thing I think that would have made
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  it better is if they had um like actual pictures of the cast
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  members yes so we played uh Luke gave us the demo he's he works at uh I think
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  Mondo games or uh or maybe even I think Mondo games might just be the publisher
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  but he was he worked on the game and they had a very strange experience
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  demoing the game where a player was very disappointed to learn that there were no
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  pictures or photographs I should say of of uh Kurt Russell in the game at all
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  and then left them a negative review on board game geek on the grounds that
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  there were no pictures of Kurt Russell did not play the game did not demo the
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  game actually got up and walked away from the table when there were no actual
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  photos of Kurt Russell and then felt the privilege that he needed to write a bad
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  review like as a bit that's pretty funny did do that to someone but then to go
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  and leave a negative review that is very weird and the game was so good yeah it's
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  fun so the the premise of the game is that you're you're part of the team at
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  the at the Arctic station if you haven't seen the film uh you probably should be
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  familiar with the film going in although I guess you don't really need to well no
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  that's you don't need to right cuz Jimmy was playing with us he had never seen
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  the film oh Fair okay the other couple that was playing with us the the girl
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  had never seen the film and they both had a great time they really enjoyed it
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  okay all right well the premise is that you're all at the Arctic station an an
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  Arctic station Outpost 31 uh you discovered a crashed alien spaceship and
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  the alien has has replaced one of you and you are one of you is is the alien
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  but looks like the human that was replaced and no one else knows who the
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  alien is and and through the game play and the uh scenarios you try to figure
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  out who the the thing is and deal with them and it's it kind of reminded me of
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  uh the resistance but on a much bigger scale yeah like it's the it's the
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  resistance if there was a whole board with rooms and the rooms malfunctioned
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  and then you had to fix the rooms and then you yeah it's it's it's pretty fun
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  no no that's that's a really good way to describe it cuz kind of that that core
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  figuring out who the thing is is resistance style select people to go on
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  a mission does a mission pass or fail but then it's a a strategy of what
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  missions do go on um and how are you setting that up and then what I really
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  liked about it cuz I love the movie um and I was really nervous that they
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  weren't going to catch the feel of the movie but you you've got it the whole
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  time you've kind of got this nervousness of trying to figure out who is the thing
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  who is the alien and at the very end if you haven't figured out who the alien is
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  and killed him there's a chance for them to win by escaping if they're on the helicopter
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  that leaves the Ice Station that the world's anver like it's done
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  so it was really cool yeah it's fun yeah so I I did purchase it in the end
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  because uh I I I just really wanted to play more I I had a feeling that I was
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  going to like it um but I wanted to play it first yeah you know I it's one of the
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  things I like about unplugged is that like you can just demo them beforehand
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  like sometimes I see a game I'm like oh that looks really cool and then I get it
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  and it's not so to to be able to try them out and with the designers is
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  [ __ ] awesome awesome no it's it's so cool and then it's not just games like P
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  unplugged is not just about games that came out now right um Jenna got to play
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  the game she's wanted to play since she was what like 5 years old yes and we
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  finally made it happen um they've got a a epic game rental area there uh they
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  they had hundreds of games this year that you can go and check out uh that
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  was probably one of the more exciting Parts but we pulled out 13 dead end
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  Drive MH which is I think Milton Bradley made that back in the'80s yeah and
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  there's a reboot of it out there now like they they redid the game but we
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  were playing the original um yes someone managed to not break all the pieces yeah
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  they were all there and the game was awesome it was actually a really fun
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  game yeah yeah it's uh it's simple but fun and it's got kind of like mous trap
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  it's got interactive pieces so the premise is that you're all a bunch of
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  potential a to a fortune in a mansion
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  and you control you each control a number of the the characters but you
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  don't really know who who's controlling who and then you want to try and kill
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  people off so that the money ends up shuffling down the line to you and then
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  Escape that's I mean that's the gist of it really but it's got kind of uh you
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  build the house out of cardboard pieces and plastic pieces and then you actually
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  set off the traps which is which is fun yeah it's like a mouse trap Happ as I
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  mean it's not yeah it's not to the same level as mous trap which you by the time
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  you finish setting up that game you just want to make the Trap work and then put
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  it away but it's it's got that thing where like you know you're putting all
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  the pieces together you're going to watch your school GS and gadgets
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  interact and it's fun just killing people I guess absolutely yeah always
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  yeah no I enjoyed it I uh I never I actually never heard of it uh I guess
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  maybe we didn't have that in Australia but uh that was a fun game and then yeah
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  it's got got re-released so there you go yeah oh I would definitely play that
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  again yeah it was really good and yeah I guess cuz I remember it as a kid as well
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  I don't ever remember playing it I think for us it was the same thing as as
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  chenna had like our family was never going to get it cuz there there were too
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  many pieces they like they knew we would break it we would lose it we'd play it
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  once and it'd be you'd never be able to play it again y someone's going to
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  swallow a piece of it and then it won't be playable yeah so now that we're um
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  adult children now it's definitely something we can
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  get yeah it's funny how that works yeah it really
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  is so I I bought another game there uh
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  escaton by archon games uh which uh was
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  kickstarted a while back uh and it's a cult simulator of
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  sorts is that how you would describe it uh you're probably good at you're
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  probably better at describing the kind of game that it is than I am okay let me
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  try so it's got like it's got like a bit bit of a risk aspect to it it's got a
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  bit of okay so take Dominion cross that with um a bit of risk just in in the
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  sense that you're trying to control land and the land your control is going to
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  help give you points right mhm so I kind of looking at that but um The Cult
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  aspect it comes from more of the the Dominion you know deck builder aspect
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  where you're building a deck of of cultist to try and help push your your
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  Darkness onto the world so I do it all the time yeah yeah again like normal
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  life like that dating game it's like what we do every day just as pack
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  unplugs just mirrors normal life yeah um but yeah escaton was really cool that
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  was a really interesting game um it was fun to play just straight up it was just
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  the theme was really cool the the cards were fantastic I was yeah I was really
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  attracted by the out style it looks kind of like Mike mola's Hellboy kind of
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  stuff yeah uh and obviously that attracted my eye and then I they I
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  learned that it was about attempting to summon you know some old God and running
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  a cult and I was like well I want to play this game now super fun yeah and
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  the repay there's going to be a lot of replayability in that as well um again
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  it's kind of think of dominion uh for those of you who don't do Dominion I
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  don't know think of something else like Dominion that's not going to help you at
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  all um but because you get to choose what's that Marvel game oh yeah um the
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  one I own uh legendary yes yeah well it's I say Marvel it's they've got one
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  for all of them now they they yeah like pop finals they making them don't they
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  yeah cuz they've got the the same version of that for uh Alien vers
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  Predator they got it for Firefly they've got it for Buffy the Vampire Hunter y
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  not the movie the show yes sorry I have to clarify that I'm a fan of the movie
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  Jenna is a fan of the show well I'm a fan of both you just a fan of Luke Perry
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  I guess I think yeah but maybe I mean I don't know if I like peew Herman I bet I
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  love PeeWee Herman yeah see that's what it is how can you and well the movie's
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  got RKA so how can you go wrong that's what I'm saying the movie is so anyway
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  sorry okay um but because because it's got the the cultist that you're
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  purchasing essentially right you're going to switch up which ones are down
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  on the playing board so every time you play you can kind of change what that
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  looks like um and allows you to really adjust your strategy on the Fly and have
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  that replayability in there so really fun game really cool game um definitely
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  some PVP action in there it gives you a chance to dirt you know dick over your
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  friends uh which is always important definitely in bold yeah good game it's
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  got an expansion too which um we didn't grabb because we have a habit of
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  grabbing expansion but we have so many [ __ ] games now that we don't need the
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  expansions if we have a we out a game then then we'll we'll start doing that
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  but yeah we you know what the cons they always have purchased the game with the
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  expansion at at a discount and I always
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  do it and then think oh man like we we have so many games we never get to the
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  expansions I should well I mean between the two of our houses man we have we've
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  been having a game night once a week every week for how how many years now
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  it's uh well it'd be since we since we moved from Australia so two and a bit
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  yeah two and like literally every single week for just over two years and we
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  still have not gone through half the games we own yes right we have infinite
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  games at this point and we keep buying more exactly exactly and you bought a
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  game unplugged I did actually which I'm super psyched about um yes this is from
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  our boys at smirk and Dagger um mhm those guys are great um and we got to
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  play again with Drew yes Drew we met last year a Pex unplugged he showed his
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  uh Cutthroat Kevin last year yes that was a lot of fun but um yeah so we want
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  to play this game um it looked like it was essentially cthulu mixed with
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  kerplunk uh it's called Tower of Madness and it it has a tower with tentacles
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  coming out of it like like a big tower with tentacles you can't get wrong and a
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  whole bunch of marbles and you pull the tentacles and the marbles drop I mean it
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  is literally cthulu mixed with klun but they never say cthulu
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  so they might not have purchased the rights to that I think cthul is open
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  open source that's the word uh public domain yeah I thought cthulu was public
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  domain but yeah I'm pretty sure then why didn't they put cthulu well because it's
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  cthulu everything I guess it's maybe it's a bit on the nose at this point to
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  say oh it's cthulu game like there's a million of them I don't know I don't
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  know what whatever it works it was awesome um oh hell yeah so really fun
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  game if you think of if if you've ever played the game Elder Sign um it's
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  similar to that mixed with kplan which basically is talking it's a a dice push
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  your luck game right so you're trying to match dice in order to accomplish a task
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  and if you don't accomplish a task pull the tentacle from the tower some marbles
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  could drop that can make you go mad it could be good for you right like it
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  could be good or bad in fact if it's really bad it's going to end up being
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  good so it's just it was just a fun game it was actually pretty quick too yeah
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  and it's got some uh you you get like ability cards so you can kind of screw
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  people over uh on their turn and and it's yeah it's it's fast and good and
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  it's it's a good uh high energy almost like like a non-gamer game like you
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  could get someone who's not like super into board games to play it I think well
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  that's exactly why I bought it so I'm always trying to get my wife to play
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  games with me and she hates games um but when I came home and I was likees yeah
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  that's what I said I was like honey you like klunk you like cthulu look they're
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  together and she said yes I'm in so really excited about that um and I
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  definitely want to thank Drew cuz they they actually pulled one um they weren't
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  running demos at the time when we showed up and he took the time and and brought
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  it out so that we could demo and the one thing I got to say is while we were demo
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  it there were a lot of people stopping by checking out because the game really
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  is gorgeous they did a great job designing it the look The feel so they
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  did a fantastic job all around like you for for those who I mean Google it you
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  literally build a tower and it's got tentacles coming out of it like it's
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  very eye-catching and then um while we were hanging out with them we also went
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  over and we played this weird ass Gingerbread Man game it's called it's
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  got this [ __ ] awesome name roll for
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  your life candy man it's uh it's like a
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  how do I describe it it's like a frantic it almost reminded me like the
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  franticness of uh of Hungry Hungry Hippos where you're trying to you have
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  to roll dice to see if you can steal the pots of the other gingerbread men like
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  it's a four player I think maximum of four we played with the four of us and
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  drewan and and Aaron showed us how to play and [ __ ] it that was fun that
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  was really fun it was but I think like that hunger Hunger hippos that
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  franticness is definitely there it's you're rolling dice you're trying to
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  match and then you're stealing body parts from other players so it it was
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  it's just fun it's I I would put that down as like a definite game in between
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  games like you need a break from thinking throw this thing on the table
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  Yeah and steal each other's body parts so yeah big thanks to uh smok and Dagger
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  we really appreciate you taking the time to shows the games Drew and Aaron um
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  yeah we had a really fun time thank you yeah that was awesome guys thank you so
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  much um those were some of the fun chill games now uh we did play one game that
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  you had to think really hard at which I think is why I've lost it every single
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  round I played MH uh Tac from from cheap ass games yeah I was really uh I I got
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  they sent out an email before the show show saying you know oh we're going to
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  have Tac there and I was really interested because I've read um Patrick
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  Roth's books have you have you read his books I've only read one book of his
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  which makes me feel bad um but it's the adventurers of The Princess and Mr
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  whiffles and which bad book right no it's probably one of the best books I've
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  actually started teaching that in school um oh nice so what like legit yeah like
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  a week ago I got a senior history ethnic studies class I read that book to my
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  senior years we had rug time they all sat down it was awesome rug time nice
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  well Tac is from his uh King killer Chronicles I think it's in the second
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  one it comes up it's like uh they kind of describe it in the book and so I was
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  interested to to actually see what they came up with for actually playing it
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  it's more of a Checkers chess style uh how would you describe it like it looks
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  like a classic game like it's got very simple pieces and a simple board
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  but it's very I think it's got It's got a lot of depth poent like potentially
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  once you once you learn how to play it I like that play on words it's got depth
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  cuz it's three-dimensional I absolutely meant to
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  uh to go there if you don't know what the game looks like that doesn't help
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  you at all um so yeah it it does it's got that very classic look like a chess
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  like a Checkers um you know it's just two different colored pieces wooden
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  pieces but you can actually stack them on top of each each other mhm think who
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  what would he it's almost like if you took Connect 4 right and you laid it
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  down but then you could stack on top and then you can move those Stacks
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  absolutely and and you can put a block on top that like stops them from
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  stacking and you can steal other people's pieces in a way yeah so so like
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  take Connect Four but change all of it and you've got tack it's not a good I
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  always feel like it's not I you know when it obviously is the easiest way to
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  describe games is to say oh it's kind of like this mixes with this but then I
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  always feel bad like like um you know like oh you know it's just this and this
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  mixed together like that like you know I feel bad so do I like it's so much more
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  than that like dude T is not Connect 4 Connect 4 is like oh absolutely like all
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  these games like it's just it's just how to find a frame of reference to describe
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  it to people when when we're [ __ ] talking about it on in an audio medium
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  it's like yeah it's tough [ __ ] like really guys if you think of rocks papers
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  and scissors it's like that but with cards and a board and dice and what was
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  the very first game I don't know I've always actually wondered that um they
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  just they just recently found a board game design in a in a cave somewhere
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  which I forget yeah I keep trying to remember to read the article and then I
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  do stuff and I don't read the article right I don't know I've also got this
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  great book from uh dice tower on uh like Psych ology gaming and stuff which I I
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  want to get through and read but I mean cu the truth is like when you look at
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  the the honest mechanics of games there's only so many actual different
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  mechanics out there sure and so a lot of the games are just how are you combining
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  those different mechanics and how are you theming those mechanics mhm yes so
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  and that's the only way you can do it really like there's so few that are
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  something new and unique yeah yeah Tac for example right the mechanic and
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  attack is get four in a row right well I mean not even necessarily four in a row
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  but get make a path from one side to the other yeah because the board I think you
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  can choose different board sizes as you as you get better at it so so if you're
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  you know you're making a path from from A to B and a straight A solid path you
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  know where zigs whatever but it's it's very similar to make four in a row make
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  a line make things connection but then it's you know how do they tweak that and
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  and what do they do to make that different and Haack it a really good job
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  of of bringing that and putting it into three dimensions and allowing you to really
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  play with strategy and make you think hard and I lost every single
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  game yeah I don't think I won a single game either you might you didn't yeah I
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  don't think you won a game but in the time it took you and Jenna to play one
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  game I had lost four okay fair enough so you know I'm
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  just maybe it it's a little above my level I was I was worried that uh
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  because it it had in the book it's described it's the game that kind of
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  everybody plays in in it's like the chess of of the world in the book as I
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  recall someone's probably going to write in and correct me and say that no it's
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  actually only two people play it but but from memory quite a lot of people play
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  attack in in in the wise in wise man's fear I think it's wise man's fear that
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  it's in the second book and uh so it was kind of like oh I hope it's
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  not [ __ ] because that'll ruin it you know like you know when they trying oh
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  we made the game that they play in that fantasy thing and then it's like oh this
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  game's [ __ ] yeah you get all excited to play this game that exists in this world
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  and it's it's Connect 4 yes but but it's not it's it's actually it's it's very
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  good and it seem I think it it has a lot of depth potentially and uh I think they
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  did a really good job of capturing you know it's strategic and it's but it's
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  also simple and it feels like it would belong in kind of a fantasy lord of the
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  ring style setting because it's not elaborate or you know it's it's not 13
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  dead end Drive yeah yeah exactly and I mean it's it's got that classic feel
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  like go chess Malala you know like they're so simple but the strategy is so
• 23:49
  deep and the only thing it's got It's the the box says and I guess this is the
• 23:54
  tagline for it it's Tac a beautiful game and that is just so Patrick rothus to me
• 24:01
  but like it's a little bit pretentious like just a touch of pretentiousness in
• 24:07
  there yeah but he pulls it off also but also yeah exactly also you be Patrick
• 24:11
  rothus and you're like no he he's earned it
• 24:16
  like he's got the the the he he can back that up
• 24:21
  so yeah if you watch him play D and D you're like oh he he can talk the talk
• 24:26
  fine you can call fine we'll call it a beautiful game fine
• 24:29
  well I mean he can he can talk the talk cuz he talks his way into it every
• 24:33
  single time one other game that we played that I wasn't super
• 24:38
  into uh was you've got crabs by uh I guess I guess is the company exploding
• 24:45
  kittens now it's it's the guy who does the oatmeal uh I guess he does the art
• 24:49
  for these I don't know what the actual company is yeah it's yeah whoever did
• 24:53
  exploding kids is it exp I'm goingon to look that up right now yeah I don't know
• 24:57
  what the company name is because I don't I don't know that they intended it to be
• 25:00
  a company at the time when they made exploding kittens it was just we're
• 25:03
  making a board game or card game rather yeah and they I mean they've made quite
• 25:07
  a few now they've got uh exploding kittens they've got Bears vers kittens
• 25:10
  and then they Bears vers babies Bears vers babies yeah so you've got crabs
• 25:15
  it's kind of like Snap but way more complicated because you've got to
• 25:20
  collect four of a thing and then you play on two you play on teams and then
• 25:23
  you've got to come up with a secret way of indicating to your partner that you
• 25:27
  have for and then they have to call it and the other team can call it as well
• 25:31
  am I describing that in any way that is understandable I think that was a
• 25:36
  perfectly accurate way to describe it I don't know if the listeners are going to
• 25:38
  get it but I got it maybe yeah watch your video maybe and I think it's fine
• 25:43
  it's just not for me yeah um I don't think it's bad it's
• 25:48
  just I was like yeah okay I'm I'm GNA go out on a Lim and say it was bad okay
• 25:54
  I'll I'll take that hard the hate mail if there is any for this um I guess I
• 26:00
  just expected more like exploding kittens to me was really fun game um
• 26:04
  that it had exploding kittens had like this kind of intenseness to it where
• 26:09
  like it was Goofy it was silly but you were just waiting to pull that explosion
• 26:13
  yeah um I think exploding kittens is a fun game yeah but so I was expecting
• 26:18
  that same type of thing and you got crabs was just kind of
• 26:21
  silly yeah oh and the expansion pack where you have to put the claws the
• 26:26
  lobster gloves on is that is just dumb like it that I mean it's funny
• 26:33
  Once like it's not even fun the whole time um
• 26:39
  yeah so I you know that we with the deck we were playing with had that aspect to
• 26:44
  it which is like you grab the wild card and if you have a wild card then you
• 26:47
  have to wear these crab cloths that the game comes with and when you're wearing
• 26:50
  the crab cloths you literally can't play the game yeah because you can't hold
• 26:54
  things yeah which is the whole point of the game like it's funny and goofy but I
• 26:59
  don't know like I said it's just not for me yeah it Ser I'm a serious gamer I
• 27:05
  don't care about the interest understand in a [Laughter]
• 27:10
  [ __ ] H their Booth though was [ __ ] awesome their Booth uh if you wanted to
• 27:15
  buy something from them they had like the booth was done up like it looked
• 27:19
  like the box for Bears versus babies where it was all furry and there was
• 27:24
  like a a window and it was done up like a vending machine except it was just a
• 27:28
  window and there were humans in there like doing things but they made you push
• 27:33
  the buttons anyway and then they would hold up signs that said what they were
• 27:37
  doing like please wait you know like uh uh dispensing and then they would just
• 27:42
  throw the stuff at the bottom like you have to hand them the cash through a
• 27:45
  little slot and then they would throw it at the bottom like a vending machine
• 27:48
  that was freaking hilarious I didn't even see that oh really yeah someone
• 27:53
  must have put a video of this up at YouTube so check out yeah look up the
• 27:57
  the the I guess the exploding kittens booth that PX unplugged 2018 yeah it was
• 28:02
  like a like I said a fake vending machine with just someone in there
• 28:06
  pretending that it was a machine it was pretty funny kind of wish I had seen
• 28:10
  that and you could pay I think you could pay to get like a random item I don't
• 28:17
  I'm not quite sure quite sure how it worked whether you had to pay for it or
• 28:19
  you just got a Bonus like random item and like a woman got a broom and like
• 28:25
  they would just just some random crap they would dispense it was it was pretty
• 28:30
  funny like they got a crowd going so those guys know how to do it they really
• 28:34
  do oh yeah speaking of people who know how to do it I think I know where you're
• 28:38
  going with this one I'm talking about our friends at Atlas games
• 28:44
  yep we uh we love hanging out with the guys from Atlas they're [ __ ] awesome
• 28:50
  and we got to try out we to try out two of the two games actually with at Atlas
• 28:54
  games and uh and as always I go was to
• 28:58
  beat Alex from Atlas games we didn't no we didn't this time we got no we didn't
• 29:04
  we it was and that that that [ __ ] sucks yeah um but it's okay Alex I know
• 29:09
  eventually you're going to listen to this I just want you to know I'm putting
• 29:12
  this out here right now uh on the ride home from PS I designed four different
• 29:17
  games all about making you lose um within a week win these games Alex you
• 29:22
  cannot win them you cannot win these games within a week and a half of being
• 29:25
  home I have one printed and ready to
• 29:28
  roll [ __ ] off really yeah legit huh we
• 29:33
  we were going to Jimmy had it with him on uh on Tuesday but I wasn't able s son
• 29:38
  of a [ __ ] he didn't even say anything he didn't say anything no oh my God you
• 29:43
  guys could have played Alex can't win that's the name of that game that was
• 29:46
  printed Alex just i' known see if I'd known to ask him there's no way Jimmy
• 29:50
  would lie no he wouldn't Li but I didn't know to ask fck I'll have to tell you
• 29:53
  next time so listen Alex when I find tun in this game I'm sending it to you the
• 29:57
  name of the game is Alex can't
• 30:01
  win we will we will share the game uh when when it is when it is appropriate
• 30:07
  but we played yeah let's talk about the they showed us yes so uh cogs and
• 30:12
  commissars uh I guess world domination
• 30:17
  game of a of sorts you you you're
• 30:20
  playing as a it's communist robots I guess is the best way to describe them
• 30:26
  yeah like 1950s communist robots right
• 30:29
  and your job is to kind of gain the most followers so that you can uh you can
• 30:35
  take over the world and every everybody has a different robot uh with with
• 30:41
  particular skills and you can use that to attract more followers or followers
• 30:46
  is followers the right word what do you call them in that scenario I don't know
• 30:49
  a whole lot about communism um you could you could call them followers that would
• 30:55
  work I mean for this game that that's what works right um cuz it was the the what were the
• 31:01
  names they had I can't you have the actual game but I think it was like the
• 31:04
  bis um yes the uh
• 31:09
  proletariat yes right or peasant I don't remember which uh and then a missing one
• 31:14
  commas commas oh yeah of course right the yeah the hint was in the name the
• 31:18
  whole time yeah it was it's right in the main name um yeah it's it's actually
• 31:23
  it's a it's a really fun game um yes every robot
• 31:28
  has uh a slightly different power to it um and then every deck of cards is is
• 31:35
  tweaked so it was actually really cool is um what Travis was telling us Alex
• 31:39
  wasn't telling us this Travis was telling us this um sorry it's just my
• 31:42
  goal in life to throw Alex under the bus as often as possible um that's fair
• 31:47
  Travis was telling us that like once you start playing the game once you're good
• 31:49
  at it you actually take the base decks the game comes with and you can start
• 31:53
  switching it up you can create your own decks um you can do just kind of like a
• 31:57
  buying type aspect so you can really take the game and get a lot more
• 32:01
  replayability out of it by trying to change up how each individual robot is going to
• 32:07
  play yeah it's like I had a lot of fun with it it's uh it's one of those games
• 32:13
  way you you really have to screw over your opponents and I always feel awkward
• 32:17
  doing that at conventions when I'm playing with strangers because I'm
• 32:21
  socially awkward and I feel like by being a dick to people that I don't know
• 32:27
  I'm not making any friends so I uh I have trouble with that but I feel like
• 32:31
  amongst friends I think this would be a lot of fun no no it definitely yeah it's
• 32:34
  definitely a blast um and that like the the theming of the game is so cool you
• 32:38
  know like one of the cards is artificial stal intelligence you know they they did an
• 32:44
  awesome job with this game yeah yeah yeah the Art's beautiful and if you get
• 32:49
  the uh the the deluxe edition you get uh The Tokens The the small tokens are
• 32:55
  worth three one am I talking smallest one going that out the smallest ones are
• 33:01
  worth one the middle ones are worth three and the big ones are worth five
• 33:04
  and the the middle one is three times the size of the small one so you can
• 33:08
  kind of stack them and like it it makes it easier to keep track of how many you
• 33:13
  have kind of thing yeah no it definitely does it also helps it makes it easier to
• 33:17
  keep track of how many your opponent has yes when you start important factor they
• 33:23
  can't hide those commissars from you they do they do that's what propaganda
• 33:27
  is all about mhm oh yeah and you can play as uh such inspirational leaders as
• 33:32
  artificial style intelligence simul Lenin or goov brilliant they they really
• 33:39
  did a good job man that was such a good game um and then we played another one
• 33:44
  with them that's I don't even know if it's out yet no it's not it's not and
• 33:49
  and you know what I don't remember what the [ __ ] name was I was hoping you
• 33:53
  did no it was it was God's God related yeah
• 33:58
  the Adas games gods and something something in Gods um mhm Alex is going
• 34:04
  to [ __ ] nail us for this yeah he really is [ __ ] we you know what I got to
• 34:08
  look this up um oh I tried I tried the problem is it's not out yet so
• 34:14
  oh really yeah God damn it did they like put it on their blog maybe I mean look
• 34:20
  I'll be honest I didn't look that hard but I didn't find it when I looked for
• 34:24
  it um no there's just some Gloom there's some commas no this is a game that they
• 34:30
  just picked up so it's uh it's not available yet it's kind of there I think
• 34:37
  the game is finalized uh so you can play it but they
• 34:41
  have it's not in production at all well you know I think it's their fault we
• 34:45
  don't know the name of it it's not it's definitely not it's
• 34:49
  it's 100% our fault it's not our fault we don't write anything down cuz if Alex
• 34:54
  had told us to write the name down cuz he didn't put the information up on the
• 34:57
  website we would have known you know what the the thing is I bet Jenna knows
• 35:01
  what it is and she's not here to to help
• 35:06
  us God damn it she really does too all right well let's talk about the game
• 35:11
  yeah uh you you are I guess a magic user and your goal is to you can only attack
• 35:17
  the person to your left and your goal is
• 35:21
  to I guess survive until the end and each round you you draw cards and you
• 35:26
  play cards to gain power uh and play
• 35:31
  attacks and kind of wear down your opponent's defenses um but also you have
• 35:37
  to build up defense because the person to your right is going to [ __ ] with you
• 35:40
  so I was not very good at it was I yeah no both of us atrocious yeah you know
• 35:46
  who was good at it Alex don't we should probably cut that bit
• 35:51
  out I don't want to he's going to hear this all right they were they were
• 35:55
  giving him credit yeah exactly all right you're right right let's rephrase that
• 35:59
  um you know who was good at that was Jenna yeah and Travis yeah and Travis I
• 36:05
  mean Travis is very good at it I bet Travis is probably the best at that I
• 36:08
  bet he's better than I like I can't think of anyone else who was good at it
• 36:10
  not a single soul no just uh Jenna and Travis umh and Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy was
• 36:17
  pretty good and I mean you and I weren't the worst at it but uh anyway we weren't
• 36:23
  good at it but we weren't the wor there was definitely at least one other person
• 36:25
  playing that was worse than us some some Unforgettable I don't really remember
• 36:30
  anyway moving on but yeah know big thanks to Atlas games we love we love
• 36:34
  hanging out you guys and uh you make some [ __ ] awesome games so yeah you
• 36:39
  guys really do you make KCK ass games um can't wait to see you at the next con
• 36:42
  when we get together and hang out again if you haven't played Gloom [ __ ]
• 36:46
  check it out it's one of my favorite games if you like storytelling they
• 36:49
  probably Gloom I mean not problem with Gloom the problem with people is they
• 36:53
  don't like Gloom sometimes how can you not like Gloom well I think some people
• 36:58
  don't like improvising and it's kind of like a it kind of is like an improv game
• 37:04
  in a way with with with prompts the way that I like to play it anyway maybe it's
• 37:09
  just people don't like playing it with me no I'm like no you [ __ ] tell a
• 37:13
  story I play it the same way you like the you have to tell a story if you're
• 37:16
  not telling a story you can't play the card [ __ ] you yeah exactly yeah yeah
• 37:21
  there was a big change at Pax unplugged this year and I was really
• 37:26
  worried about it because I really really really like
• 37:30
  Chris Perkins as a dungeon master but he's retired from Acquisitions
• 37:37
  Incorporated and he's been he's been replaced by I mean not that not in a bad
• 37:43
  this is bad he's been replaced by Jeremy Crawford who's the lead uh rules
• 37:48
  designer at Wizards of the Coast for Dungeons and Dragons so you know someone
• 37:52
  qualified but still I I had never seen Jeremy Crawford run a game like that
• 37:57
  before and I was worried but Jeremy Crawford's [ __ ] awesome he killed it
• 38:03
  he really did yes and not to you know I I will always love Chris Perkins and
• 38:09
  Chris Perkins is still one of my favorite dungon Masters he does a
• 38:14
  [ __ ] amazing job but Jeremy Crawford he [ __ ] nailed it he was funny he was
• 38:20
  uh he was on the ball he didn't let he didn't let him because there's a danger
• 38:24
  that Patrick rothus is going to is going to he's gonna R the whole thing up he's gon
• 38:29
  to rth fist the whole thing he I feel like he kept him in control pretty well
• 38:33
  that was good well what I loved is um the one time when rothus really tried
• 38:37
  right he like really pushed if you ever seen him play he does a thing where he's
• 38:41
  like oh I'm going to do this thing and I deserve Advantage because and then
• 38:45
  insert like a five minute spiel about why he deserves Advantage right um
• 38:50
  Jeremy listened to him and then went with him right saying said yes
• 38:55
  to the player which is awesome but did it directly in line with the rules of
• 38:59
  the game and made it truly work based on the rules which was killer so I thought
• 39:04
  that was really cool it wasn't just I'm going to say yes CU I'm the GM and it
• 39:08
  makes the story better but I'm going to say yes because story better also it
• 39:11
  matches up with the rules that I may or may not be in charge of yes yeah so I
• 39:17
  like really enjoyed uh because because I love Acquisitions Incorporated it's one
• 39:20
  of my favorite pots of packs to be honest even even PX East uh which is
• 39:25
  video game Centric one of my favorite parts of that is Acquisitions
• 39:28
  Incorporated I've just I've been watching him since P's Prime in
• 39:35
  201 I think so when they played with will weaton uh and that was my first
• 39:42
  exposure to Chris Perkins and uh he will be missed but uh yeah Jeremy Crawford
• 39:47
  did a [ __ ] great job really enjoyed it some funny stuff happened too that
• 39:52
  was a great game that was a really good game that was a brand new setting brand new world
• 39:57
  yes that was that was fantastic yes he does some good voices
• 40:02
  and he does he does he's yeah mannerisms and voices and stuff like I I'm into
• 40:07
  that stuff I think it's it it adds to it and he did a really good job we we
• 40:11
  always make an effort to go to the penny arcade panels just because I've been a
• 40:15
  fan of Penny Arcade for so long I know you guys have as well you know even
• 40:18
  before PS I was I was a fan so we always
• 40:21
  go to the uh the q&as and the um uh the make a strip
• 40:28
  uh this year for the maker strip for the first time they they did it's a trial
• 40:34
  thing where if you donated money to Charles play they would incorporate
• 40:38
  certain things into the strip like as we were going and I feel like I I don't
• 40:42
  know if they made that up on the fly it see like they must have had it prepared
• 40:45
  because there was a graphic made for the you know for the amount and everything
• 40:49
  but I guess the point of this was that if you wanted the hot dog fairy to
• 40:53
  appear you had they wanted to make some lowall at first wasn't it like 500 bucks
• 40:58
  or something I don't I don't remember I don't think it was 500 was it that low
• 41:03
  yeah I think it was that low it was like 500 bucks um just to get the hot dog
• 41:07
  Fair which if you know the hot dog fair is something they traditionally draw in
• 41:11
  into the panel when they're at cons um but see I don't see how they could not
• 41:15
  put it in there so they like I mean I what if we had they had made 500 bucks
• 41:18
  we going to leave the hot dog fairy out of a [ __ ] packs pant I I think they
• 41:22
  would have left it out I really do and I'm going to be honest like I'm going to
• 41:26
  give them credit for it right because what they're trying to raise money for
• 41:29
  is a really good cause so oh yeah Charles play [ __ ] awesome but um but
• 41:34
  yeah so they had the super low number uh I think it was like $500 and like by the
• 41:38
  time they finished announcing how much money they needed to raise in order to
• 41:42
  get the hot dog fair and they had that money yeah which was then it was upgrade
• 41:47
  him to a uh Philly cheese steak Ferry for um I think it was five grand in the
• 41:53
  end was the uh was the goal and which they met so so good stuff I think it's a
• 41:59
  good way to get people involved I mean I I generally I I mean I give Child's Play
• 42:03
  uh anyway just because I think it's a really good course for those who don't
• 42:06
  know Charles play is the the charity that the guys from P started uh it
• 42:11
  provides um toys and games for children
• 42:16
  who are in hospital and uh you know it's it's a shitty place for a kid to be and
• 42:21
  so it kind of provides them with some entertainment and something to take
• 42:25
  their mind off whatever the hell it is got him in there so I think it's just a
• 42:29
  really good cause wait it's not to make a reboot of Child's Play The the 1988
• 42:36
  slasher movie with Chucky no they're already doing that Hollywood's paying
• 42:40
  for that oh this is man I thought that's what they were taking donations for oh
• 42:45
  [ __ ] oh maybe you can get a refund I guess if you didn't realize I I'll I'll
• 42:51
  let it go this time all right but at least I feel informed now that it's yeah
• 42:55
  sorry actually nonprofit should point that out I guess yeah not to reboot a
• 43:01
  movie that kills kids yeah it's kind of the opposite I
• 43:05
  guess yeah kind of the exact opposite uh the Q&A was really good this time too
• 43:09
  because the for if you don't know about Penny arade then I mean I don't really
• 43:14
  know why you're listening to this episode uh but um the the Q&A is is Mike
• 43:21
  and Jerry who founded Penny Arcade answering questions and at this point it's
• 43:27
  been like when was the first packs
• 43:31
  like 2009 at least cuz I'm looking over at my DVDs and I have the DVDs from pack
• 43:37
  2009 so it's been almost 10 years
• 43:40
  right possibly has been 10 years or more and they've been asked everything I
• 43:47
  think and so the questions this time 2004 2004 according to Wikipedia so
• 43:54
  maybe it's still 2009 no no no I'm just I just happened to have a DVD of the PS
• 43:59
  2009 stuff that I on my shelf that I'm looking at that's so I know it's been at
• 44:04
  least that but 2004 [ __ ] man it's so long so yeah they've been asked a lot of
• 44:10
  questions in the q&as and this time was [ __ ] awesome because the questions
• 44:14
  were so weird like and it was just kind of like really weird and creative stuff
• 44:21
  like and some of them they just refused to answer because they were just to over
• 44:24
  the top but it was just like like Sur realist questions like you know would
• 44:30
  you rather be a this is example cuz I don't remember the specifics but would
• 44:34
  you would you rather be a hamburger or a hot dog kind of thing like I don't know
• 44:38
  it just I found it really interesting really funny and interesting yeah and
• 44:42
  then um it looks like during the Q&A now half of it is just their staff messing
• 44:46
  with them oh right like the the phanom of the Opera bit I don't know did that
• 44:50
  go somewhere that I me I enjoyed it anyway but it went
• 44:54
  nowhere but I think that's what made it so good it's like yes so they had um
• 44:59
  they get different colored envelop based on the question that they're going to
• 45:02
  ask and they had a red envelope which they never had before so they they pull
• 45:05
  it up and like we don't really know what this is for and they open it they play
• 45:08
  fan of the Opera music really loud flash the lights and then he reads a question
• 45:14
  which is posed as if it's coming from the actual Phantom of the Opera from the
• 45:18
  Opera Phantom of the Opera um and this happened what three four times yep that
• 45:24
  we saw I mean happened at other times and uh the last time it just kind of
• 45:29
  fizzled the Phantom was like all right cool I guess I'm in the wrong place
• 45:32
  peace and it was over um but the best part was just the confusion on their
• 45:37
  faces cuz they had no clue this was happening this was a setup they kept
• 45:41
  looking over their shoulder for somebody to come running on stage dressed as the
• 45:44
  Phantom of the Opera yeah other than that I mean I had a nice time in Philly
• 45:49
  I like uh I like Philly is a city Philly gets a bad rap I feel like people often
• 45:54
  say you know don't get shot but I have so you that's nice not yet not yet no
• 46:01
  Philly does get not a great rap um but it is great it's got snap Pizza which is
• 46:07
  snap Pizza we talk about this last year we must have I think yeah we probably
• 46:12
  spent like 20 minutes talking about it last year show last year was [ __ ]
• 46:15
  snap Pizza you went twice this year I did go twice yeah yeah cuz once was not
• 46:20
  the same day if I recall yeah yeah cuz you guys uh you guys went out to dinner
• 46:25
  one place that was um so my a couple things going on uh my knee was
• 46:29
  all messed up this year at pack so I was trying to reduce walking and I had a ton
• 46:32
  of work to do so I was trying to get that done in the in between time um so
• 46:36
  the main group went off to dinner far away and I was like I'll just go around
• 46:40
  the corner and get a burger and I went to The Burger Joint and the line was
• 46:43
  like 10 people long like I don't want to wait that long so I walked half a mile
• 46:48
  to snap Pizza instead cuz cuz that took less time I
• 46:53
  guess it's so good I don't know totally worth it we did we explored uh we
• 46:59
  explored a bit more of Philly this time uh than I had before went to some It's
• 47:04
  Always Sunny in Philadelphia related sites like Patty's Pub the the one that
• 47:08
  apparently it's based on they claim the pub claims that it's the pub that it's
• 47:12
  based on so I guess I have to take their word for it and it's called patties
• 47:17
  so uh yeah had a nice time saw I saw the Liberty Bell again I've seen it once
• 47:21
  before you know it's a bell it's a big it's a big Bell did they ring the bell
• 47:26
  it probably said that I didn't stick around yeah I don't know man I'm going
• 47:29
  to be honest I'm a history teacher and I I don't I don't know it's got a crack in
• 47:33
  it yeah okay cool yeah I don't think they ring it anymore yeah you you don't
• 47:39
  want the crack to get worse yeah yeah that'd be bad then the Liberty Bell
• 47:42
  would be broken and then there'd be no more Liberty oh [ __ ] that would be bad
• 47:46
  for America oh is that how it works yeah
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  I'm almostly so no I'm not going to go there I was going to make a joke I was
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  going to make some kind of stupid joke about ter blowing up the Liberty Bell
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  but that's we don't we don't need to go there I mean you can make a stupid joke
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  about Trump being our President and the the [ __ ] that's going on but like that
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  is ever going to happen oh wait never mind yeah exactly most of your listeners
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  are in Australia right uh yeah yeah although we're we're we're spreading out
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  actually WR in let us know where are you from listeners let us know we got I
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  think we've got a bunch over here now cuz you know we hit these conventions up
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  and harass people yeah that is true but yeah uh I mean Philly is awesome um you
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  guys also went to that that really cool store the um the like weird collectibl
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  store yeah uh odity something Oddities
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  uh it had a bunch of uh dead animals and stuff which is neat and uh gothy weird
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  [ __ ] I enjoyed it it's uh you know kind of like uh there's there's a store here
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  in Providence that's sort of like that but on a much smaller scale uh this one
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  was like it had all you could buy human skulls there like real human skulls for
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  real yeah oh you guys didn't tell me that that's awesome and I was going to I
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  was going to ask where did you get him from but uh but that's not a question
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  you ask no but the girl was really scary looking and uh and I also I don't think
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  she would have known the answer cuz she just works there I don't know where they
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  get them from but uh I definitely want to make an ashtray out of one at some
• 49:23
  point even though I don't smoke that that would be the appropriate thing yeah
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  yeah we can use it as a dice roller [ __ ] man that'd be sick dude I want to bring
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  one into school put it on my desk and just like label it students who turn in assignments
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  late that'd be awesome I take one into work and just
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