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The Kenny Report | 12 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Australia gets no special treatment from Donald Trump over tariff's
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  Speaker 2: as Anthony Alberaneazi fails to even get a call with
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  Speaker 2: the US President. But tariffs are the least of our problems.
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain how we're doing more harm to ourselves than
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  Speaker 2: the US trade decisions could ever do. We all know
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  Speaker 2: how our human rights were trampled during the COVID nineteen response.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to the Human Rights Commission about their pandemic report.
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  Speaker 2: Former Labor Minister joh Fitzgiven joins us to talk about
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  Speaker 2: why the major parties should freeze out the Greens and
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  Speaker 2: the Tills. All that plus the Wednesday wrangle and Pauline Hansen,
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  Speaker 2: let's get started.
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  Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of talk.
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  Speaker 2: About the slap in the face from the United States today,
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  Speaker 2: Australia's failure to win an exemption from tariff's imposed by
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  Speaker 2: Donald But let me tell you what it really means.
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  Speaker 2: This debacle is a symptom.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the disease. Let's talk about the disease.
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  Speaker 2: And that is that this country is in real strife,
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  Speaker 2: deep economic strife, self imposed economic strife, our energy self
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  Speaker 2: harm is deliberately making us poorer.
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  Speaker 1: And this at a time when we're.
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  Speaker 2: Facing dire security threats, experiencing horrible social division, and flailing
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  Speaker 2: in the face of cultural decline. We live in the
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  Speaker 2: best country in the world, sure, but we're seeing it
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  Speaker 2: damaged daily before our very eyes by a government that's
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  Speaker 2: not only incompetent, but has the wrong priorities. It has
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  Speaker 2: the wrong ideas, and it has no real conception of
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  Speaker 2: either perils we face or how to combat them. We
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  Speaker 2: are sleep walking to our own demise. In short, the
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  Speaker 2: Albin eazy Gar and their partners in crime, the Greens
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  Speaker 2: and the Tials, are hurting us. They're doing long term
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  Speaker 2: damage and it was refreshing to see Peter Dutton call
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  Speaker 2: it out strongly today.
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  Speaker 3: This Prime Minister is weakening competent, He can't make decisions
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  Speaker 3: in our national security interest.
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  Speaker 1: Our country is.
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  Speaker 3: Less safe than it was three years ago because of
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  Speaker 3: mister Elbanze's incompetence. Our country is less prosperous, and families
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  Speaker 3: are less prosperous. Businesses are going broke at a record
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  Speaker 3: rate because of mister Albanzi.
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  Speaker 2: Now not only is the opposition leader right there, but
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  Speaker 2: he's also significantly ramping up his attacks on the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have more on that in a moment, but let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about this tariff decision.
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  Speaker 2: Last time this happened under Trump, Mark I and a
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  Speaker 2: coalition government, Australia won an exemption with former Liberal Treasurer
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, the ambassador in Washington, Anthony Alberzi, with his
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  Speaker 2: old mate Kevin Rudd in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: He's not only.
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  Speaker 2: Failed to get the exemption, he even failed to get
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  Speaker 2: a conversation with the president.
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  Speaker 4: We have continued to put in a request for another
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  Speaker 4: discussion with President Trump. We've engaged, including through writing, including
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  Speaker 4: at senior.
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  Speaker 1: Levels of the government.
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  Speaker 4: People would be aware the Treasurer, the Trade Minister, range
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  Speaker 4: of the Foreign Minister have all visited and have all engaged.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the imposition of these tariffs is wrong. Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: is wrong. This is bad economics and it's no way
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  Speaker 2: to treat an ally, especially an ally with whom you
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  Speaker 2: have a.
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  Speaker 1: Free trade agreement.
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  Speaker 2: But remember Albanezi, Kevin Rudd and Foreign Minister Penny Wong
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  Speaker 2: have spent the past decade bagging Trump in the most
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  Speaker 2: hysterical terms and then they wonder why they can't get
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  Speaker 2: a hearing.
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  Speaker 5: I think Kevin has done outstanding job both now I
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  Speaker 5: can say that from my observation of the extent of
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  Speaker 5: his engagement and the level of his engagement. But I
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  Speaker 5: would say, obviously it's a you know, it's a very
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  Speaker 5: different administration, it's a very different America in the world.
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  Speaker 2: These labor types have made heroes of themselves with the
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  Speaker 2: lefty crowds by bagging Donald Trump over the years, and
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  Speaker 2: now they find that they can't deal with him. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: diplomacy one one, politics one oh one for that matter,
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  Speaker 2: is don't abuse people that you might need to do
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  Speaker 2: deals with.
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  Speaker 3: Who could believe our luck that this madman called Trump
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  Speaker 3: could have been elected.
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  Speaker 1: We have an alliance with the US.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to deal with him, But that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that you're uncritical about it.
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  Speaker 1: He scared out.
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  Speaker 3: Of me, and as the United States in the last
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  Speaker 3: four years has been run by a village idiot.
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  Speaker 5: I think everyone is rightly appalled at what mister Trump
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  Speaker 5: is reported to have said. I mean, none of us
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  Speaker 5: have a vote in the US election. That's obviously mattter
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  Speaker 5: ultimately for the Americans, but we can have an opinion
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  Speaker 5: about what he said, and what he said was appalling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could not help themselves and now they and
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  Speaker 2: Australia pay the price.
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  Speaker 3: It's obvious that Anthony Albanezi and Kevin RD have had
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  Speaker 3: a shoka. The Prime Minister can't secure a phone call,
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  Speaker 3: let alone a meeting with the President of the United States,
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  Speaker 3: and how on earth can an outcome be negotiated if
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  Speaker 3: the President won't even take the Prime minister's call. So
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  Speaker 3: it's not just Australian to see the Prime Minister as
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  Speaker 3: weak and incompetent.
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  Speaker 1: It's our trading partners as well.
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  Speaker 3: And the sad reality is because of the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 3: because of the Prime Minister's inability to deal with this issue,
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  Speaker 3: Austraiane jobs are at risk and Australian industry is at risk.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is all.
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  Speaker 2: Bad enough, but let me tell you how much worse
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  Speaker 2: it gets. The stock market dropped sharply again today.
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  Speaker 1: Investors are losing faith.
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  Speaker 2: Not just in global trade but in the Australian economy.
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  Speaker 2: Australian companies are shifting their outlook overseas.
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  Speaker 1: They're investing in the US rather than Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Australian based Volty National ORACA is a case in point,
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  Speaker 2: pumping a billion dollars into the US rather than here.
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  Speaker 2: Its boss, Sanjeev Gandhi says Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Is one of the most expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Countries in the world for heavy manufacturing, adding that labour
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  Speaker 2: costs a high, productivity is low. Energy and gas prices
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  Speaker 2: are very very high, and we have added the added
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  Speaker 2: pressure of decarbonizing, losing competitiveness. High energy and gas prices
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  Speaker 2: the cost of decarbonization.
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  Speaker 1: This cuts to the chase.
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  Speaker 2: Forget the US putting tariffs on our steel exports, We're
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  Speaker 2: putting our own energy tariff on everything we make in
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  Speaker 2: this country. But refusing to use enough of our own gas,
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  Speaker 2: by refusing to use enough of our own coal, by
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  Speaker 2: refusing to use our own uranium, and by instead embarking
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  Speaker 2: on a massively expensive, slow, unreliable and unproven experiment in
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy, we are making ourselves uncompetitive. We are making
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  Speaker 2: it too expensive to manufacture or produce products.
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  Speaker 1: In our own country.
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  Speaker 2: We are making it too expensive to do business here,
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  Speaker 2: and we are doing it for the nutty pretense that
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  Speaker 2: fiddling with less than one percent of global emissions in
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  Speaker 2: this country while the other ninety nine percent of emissions
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  Speaker 2: grow worldwide. While we're pretending that that will change the climate.
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  Speaker 2: It is scientifically impossible, intellectually unhinged, and practically damaging as
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  Speaker 2: we are all seen. Yet this is what labor, the
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  Speaker 2: greens and the tills are doing, and they boast about it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, with energy prices being so high, why is that?
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  Speaker 4: There's a couple of reasons. Firstly, again you see it
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  Speaker 4: on social media, Or renewables are so cheap more how
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  Speaker 4: my price is going up?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the trust that is because we don't yet have
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  Speaker 1: enough renewables.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our electricity has never been more expensive because of
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  Speaker 2: the transition to renewables. So the way to fix it
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  Speaker 2: is to put in more renewables. Absolute genius And for
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  Speaker 2: an even more bizarre inversion of reality, showing how when
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  Speaker 2: the climate zealot speak literally everything is the opposite of
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  Speaker 2: the truth. Have a listened to the millionaire son of
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  Speaker 2: a billionaire who is the man behind the teals.
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  Speaker 6: This year we celebrated the four millionth Australian household put
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  Speaker 6: solo on its roof. Every one of those homes is
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  Speaker 6: experiencing a lower cost of living than people who didn't
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  Speaker 6: do so. In time, the electrification of our homes and
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  Speaker 6: transport will reduce energy costs for households dramatically. And I
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  Speaker 6: don't have to I think we think we're all aware
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  Speaker 6: that the increased severity and frequency of natural disasters is
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  Speaker 6: driving up insurance costs. There's a direct connection between climate
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  Speaker 6: and cost of living, and the good campaigns, the good communities,
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  Speaker 6: communicators are getting this message across.
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  Speaker 2: So the unnecessary and additional cost of installing and subsidizing
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  Speaker 2: solar systems when you could have just stuck with affordable
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  Speaker 2: connected electricity, is actually saving money, he says, when clearly
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  Speaker 2: this transition has cost the bomb and the costs continued
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  Speaker 2: to mount. He says natural disasters are more common and intense.
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  Speaker 2: Yet the data, the record, the science says that is
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  Speaker 2: not true.
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  Speaker 1: And he says electrification is cutting.
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  Speaker 2: Costs when we've never had higher power prices, and he
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  Speaker 2: suggests that spreading these lies will help the country, And
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  Speaker 2: he fails to mention that regardless of all this nonsense,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what Australia does, the climate will not change
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  Speaker 2: one iota. That's the science, because global emissions arising and
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  Speaker 2: that's the only metric that matters. So when you consider
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  Speaker 2: all this, there are two points that stand out. One
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  Speaker 2: is that it's absolutely pointless to accuse the US of
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  Speaker 2: doing US economic harm when Labour's own economic and energy
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  Speaker 2: policies are doing vastly more harm to our country every
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  Speaker 2: single day.
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  Speaker 4: Quite clearly is not a positive step in the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: It's as simple as oh.
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  Speaker 4: I think Australians will look at this decision and will
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  Speaker 4: be concerned that our friends in the United States have
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  Speaker 4: chosen to impose these tariffs on Australia, given that Australia
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  Speaker 4: does not impose tariffs on the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Bah Albo, how about you stop putting an internal tariff
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  Speaker 2: on Australia with your energy self harm.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this bloke promised.
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  Speaker 2: Electricity price cuts of two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year but gave us double that in price increases.
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  Speaker 1: And the second point is that.
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  Speaker 2: There is only one way to put an end to
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  Speaker 2: this self harm, and that is to vote for the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: A vote for Labor or the Teals or the Greens
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  Speaker 2: is just a vote for the same thing. It's a
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  Speaker 2: vote for a Labor, Greens and Teal government that will
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  Speaker 2: be every bit as bad as the.
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  Speaker 1: Current government only worse.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Thank god Peter Dutton is staking out his claim.
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  Speaker 1: This Prime Minister is completely out of his depth.
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  Speaker 3: He has no idea what he's doing when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to energy, when it comes to the economy, when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to national security, when it comes to keeping Australian safe,
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  Speaker 3: and when it comes to this relationship which obviously is
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  Speaker 3: now critically broken between the US and Australia because of
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  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's incompetence.
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  Speaker 2: The opposition leader is virtually in full campaign mode now.
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  Speaker 2: The coalition's campaign headquarters was established in Paramatta on the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: pulling in staff from around the country, anticipating that the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister would have called the election for April the twelfth.
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  Speaker 2: When Albinizi changed his mind because of the cyclone. The
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  Speaker 2: campaign headquarters kept going and it's fully operational this week.
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  Speaker 2: So the Opposition has been having a dry run of
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  Speaker 2: full campaign mode this week to sharpened tactics, and it's
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  Speaker 2: starting to show. They likely ease back next week and
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  Speaker 2: the lead up to the budget before flicking back to
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  Speaker 2: full campaign operations immediately to the budget in the run
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  Speaker 2: up to the election early in May. That's when we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to vote in a choice between more self harm
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  Speaker 2: and the chance to start fixing this mess.
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  Speaker 1: On national security.
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  Speaker 2: We should never forget the experience of the past few
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  Speaker 2: weeks with those Chinese navy vessels snooping around Australia and
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  Speaker 2: what it says about our vulnerability and our political and
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic weakness. I want to show you how the American
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  Speaker 2: Newsweek magazine has covered these events. They're heading talks about
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese navy encircling a US ally in a show
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  Speaker 2: of force, and they've compiled a detailed map showing how
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese navy vessels circumnavigated our entire continent before heading
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  Speaker 2: north back towards Chinese waters. Newsweek reports that the Chinese
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  Speaker 2: ships remained outside Australian territory ororial waters that extend twelve
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  Speaker 2: nautical miles.
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  Speaker 1: From the coast during this deployment, but.
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  Speaker 2: They have sailed within Australia's two hundred nautical mile economic
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  Speaker 2: exclusive economic.
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  Speaker 1: Zone several times now.
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  Speaker 2: A show of force this certainly was, and as former
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  Speaker 2: Secretary for Home Affairs Mike Pizzullo has written, there was
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  Speaker 2: a chance also for China to test capabilities and potential targeting.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a worry, But Bazulo and others
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  Speaker 2: also point out that it was designed to test our
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  Speaker 2: political will, and that's where Albanesi's response would have pleased
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  Speaker 2: Beijing no end. When the Chinese failed to give us
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  Speaker 2: advance warning about live firing exercises, When Australia had to
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  Speaker 2: be advised of this by a Virgin Airlines pilot, our
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  Speaker 2: prime minister didn't complain.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, he made excuses for China.
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  Speaker 4: Will China issued in accordance with practice an alert that
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  Speaker 4: it would be conducting these activities, including the potential use
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  Speaker 4: of live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive Economic zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could almost hear them in Beijing, can't you
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  Speaker 2: a nice one, handsome boy?
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  Speaker 1: So what happens next time?
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  Speaker 2: Will we have our vessels, our own vessels out there
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  Speaker 2: properly shadowing the Chinese ships? Will they let us know
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  Speaker 2: about live firing exercises? Will our prime minister make excuses
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  Speaker 2: for China or demand more respect? Newsweek quotes Chinese sources
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  Speaker 2: saying we can expect more Chinese ships down under. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go to Pauline Hanson, now, the one nation leader who
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  Speaker 2: joins us live.
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  Speaker 1: From Scenic Rim in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline tell us your take on this lack of an
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  Speaker 2: exemption for Australia tariffs for exports of steel and aluminum
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  Speaker 2: to the US. Is this a bad move by Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump where Australia should expect better treatment.
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  Speaker 7: Actually, there's some two prongs. Is the way I think
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  Speaker 7: about it is that Trump indicated that he wanted to
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  Speaker 7: put tariffs on product to protect American industries and manufacturing
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  Speaker 7: and jobs in America, and I support him on that.
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  Speaker 7: The other side of the coin is that I see
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  Speaker 7: that he has got no time for Anthony Albanezi and
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  Speaker 7: Kevin Rudd. I don't believe he's going to give way
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  Speaker 7: on that unless if we have a change of government,
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  Speaker 7: if we do have Dutton in as Prime Minister, I
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  Speaker 7: think it'll be different then, and I think that he
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  Speaker 7: may stop to listen to what they have to say
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  Speaker 7: about it and may change his mind about it. In
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  Speaker 7: my maiden speech in nineteen ninety six, I actually raised
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  Speaker 7: about tariffs. Reduced tariffs have actually lost our industries and
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  Speaker 7: manufacturing and Australia. The first steel mill that we brought
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  Speaker 7: in Australia's was nineteen fifteen and that was the Newcastle
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  Speaker 7: we were aligned on Britain for a lot of product
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  Speaker 7: that came to Australia, and after the war it was
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  Speaker 7: an opening a wide up. They'd opened our eyes up
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  Speaker 7: that we had become more self reliant and that hence
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  Speaker 7: when they actually put tariffs onto the product, we actually
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  Speaker 7: got investment in Australia. We had people inventing product, We
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  Speaker 7: were prosperous. We had more people working in industries and
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  Speaker 7: manufacturing than what we had in the farming sector at
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  Speaker 7: that time. And this was the early twenties. Once we
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  Speaker 7: started taking off tariffs, Chris, over the years and started
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  Speaker 7: from nineteen seventy, we've lost a lot of industries and manufacturing,
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  Speaker 7: even a steel mill only one left then Wyla yet
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  Speaker 7: where it's struggling to survive. And yet we're bringing in
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  Speaker 7: one point six billion dollars worth of steel from China.
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  Speaker 7: Why we've lost our footwear, clothing, steel, We've lost so
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  Speaker 7: many streets making everything.
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  Speaker 2: We've also gotfs put them.
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  Speaker 1: On all the things that have been cheaper. But this
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  Speaker 1: is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's no good getting rid of tariffs unless everybody
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  Speaker 2: gets rid of them. And if America and others start.
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  Speaker 1: Putting them back on. Then we're completely exposed.
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  Speaker 2: And my point at the art set is is this
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  Speaker 2: reverse tariff we have because.
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  Speaker 1: What we've done is made everything we make more.
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  Speaker 2: Expensive by deliberately getting rid of our cheap energy advantage.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen any more classic example of economic self harm.
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  Speaker 7: Correct, that's another part of it. The energy is totally
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  Speaker 7: different to the tariff's Chris, you cannot compete with the
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  Speaker 7: country like China who pays such a cheap wage, and
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  Speaker 7: we're buying their cheap products and we're destroying our own industries. Here,
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  Speaker 7: tariffs actually protects our own industries and jobs in Australia.
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  Speaker 7: That's what Trump is doing about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we thought that, we thought.
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  Speaker 7: That when you're buying product from cheap countries.
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  Speaker 1: We thought that debate was finished.
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  Speaker 2: But if Trump's going to start putting the back on
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  Speaker 2: as you're indicating, will have that debate all over again
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  Speaker 2: here in this country. Just before I let you go,
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  Speaker 2: the latest figures again show net migration in the last
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  Speaker 2: financial year to Australia over four hundred and fifty thousand people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, close to half a million people in net terms.
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  Speaker 2: These are record levels. It's just below the previous year.
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  Speaker 2: But this is so far ahead of anything we've had previously.
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  Speaker 2: It's migration out of control, isn't it.
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  Speaker 7: It is out of control. Chris and I've been speaking
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  Speaker 7: about this for how many years have I said about this?
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  Speaker 7: And the fruition of it all is now that Australians
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  Speaker 7: are struggling to own their own homes and put a
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  Speaker 7: roof over their own head. This Labor Green's government is
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  Speaker 7: not going to change the tune. If they get elected again.
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  Speaker 7: People beware they will increase the immigration numbers because it
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  Speaker 7: props up their GDP. They don't give a damn about you.
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  Speaker 7: It's all about them.
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  Speaker 1: What they want to do. It is extraordinary this country.
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  Speaker 7: Then we're going to have problems.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is extraordinary. Even the Labor government says that
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  Speaker 2: it's too high. They seem to be unable to keep
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  Speaker 2: the numbers down to their own target. It is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it, Pauline hancing
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: their lives from Queensland. Now, five years on from the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: declaration of the COVID nineteen pandemic, the Australian Human Rights
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Commission has finally published a report and how the response
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: dealt with our rights remember the lockdowns, the border closures,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the mask mandates, the vaccine mandates, the curf user. We
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: lived in a virtual police state, and I spent almost
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: every night throughout the pandemic railing against this stuff. Now,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the report out this week entitled Collateral Damage, concluded that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the risk of failing to consider human rights in an
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: emergency response is to compound existing suffering and cause even
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: greater harm than the initial crisis itself. The COVID nineteen
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: pandemic demonstrated that human rights considerations need to be embedded
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into decision making processes during the emergencies, otherwise they can
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and will be overlooked. Human Rights Commissioner Lorraine Finley joins
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: me now Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir Loraina.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't disagree with that key finding, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I just think this is so late, because this was
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: so obvious at the time and we had nobody speaking
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: up for human rights.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Well, it's great to be with you, Chris, and I
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: note that since I came into this job in November
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, I have been speaking up about this consistently.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: My very first public statement on my very first day
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: in the job was looking at the impact of the
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: pandemic response on human rights and raising my concerns about
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: those issues. And since that date, I've been consistently raising
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: a whole range of issues, whether it be calling for
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: border restrictions to be lifted, states of emergencies to be lifted,
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: or calling consistently for a Royal commission. So while the
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: reporters only come out now, and that's the culmination of
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: a significant body of work, including the reflections of five
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: thousand Australians who've contributed, that I've actually been speaking publicly
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: on these issues for a very long time. And the
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: Commission itself, let's not forget, has contributed in a variety
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: of ways, including, for example, during the pandemic dealing with
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: fourteen thousand complaints and over three thousand, seven hundred or sorry,
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: fourteen thousand inquiries and over three thousand, seven hundred complaints
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: during or related to COVID nineteens.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm agree that I'm presumed sorry interrupt, but I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: presuming you're furious then at state and federal governments because
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: they obviously did nothing in terms of responding to you
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: or listening to you. Because human rights were given short
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: shrift from the get go.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: And certainly the commitment that we have now and through
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: this report is focusing on how can we do better
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: in the future, how can we reflect and learn those
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: lessons to make sure that moving forward, this never happens again,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: and we're able to have an emergency response for any
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: future emergency we face that better balances out the need
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: to keep the public safe, but to ensure we have fairness,
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: compassion and humane yeah injected as part of our response.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go through some of the things that should never
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: happen again. Let's have a listen to the former Queensland premier.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: People living in New South Wales, they have New South
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: Wales hospitals.
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: In Queensland, we have Queensland hospitals for our people.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: People separated from injured or dying loved ones by state borders.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: People being rejected from going across borders and sent on
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a thousand kilometers further away to go to a hospital
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in their state and possibly losing lives because of it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: This should never happen, right, and we've had no.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Apologies and no guarantees from governments that it won't happen again.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: Well, and the really heartbreaking thing about this report and
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: doing this work, Chris is We've listened to the stories
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: of thousands of Australians and you know, you can talk
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: about the impact of lockdown's border closures, quarantine, et cetera.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: But when you hear those individual stories, they are heartbreaking.
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: And I think the failue in all of this is
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: that we haven't actually acknowledged the harm that was caused.
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: The focus on public health was important, but it came
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: at the expense of everything.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Else well, exactly including the.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Harm that has been caused and that's still being caused.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The public health harm included. Let's have a look at
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Dan Andrews and vaccine mandates.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's going to be a vaccinated economy and you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: get to participate that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: You get to participate in that if you are vaccinated.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Now, this went on for years.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: There was never any scientific or medical basis for vaccine mandates.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yet people lost their jobs or were forced to have
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the vaccine all the way along. Again, there's been no
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: reckoning from this, no apology, and no guaranteeing it it
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: won't happen again.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: Well, if I can take you to the report, Chris,
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: where we talk about vaccine mandates, you know this is
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: an issue where people do have very divided opinions. Sixty
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: percent of people in the survey that we did actually
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: agreed with the idea that there should be mandatory vaccinated.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But hang on, let me jump in.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: They've been fed misinformation. They were told that vaccine mandates
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: kept people safe.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: The science says otherwise.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: The science shows that even with the vaccine, you still
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: pick up the virus and pass it on. So there
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: was no basis for them. So it's not a popularity contest.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: The science says they should not have been put in place,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and our human rights were trampled upon.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Chris, I'm not suggesting it's a popularity contest. What I'm
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: saying is even now in our reporter, it reflects there
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: are different opinions. And what that actually really shows to me,
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: And one thing we didn't do during the pandemic is
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: actually been prepared to respect the fact that people should
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: be able to have different opinions on this. People should
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: be able to express their points of view, and people
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: should be able to have accurate and timely information.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely they can make clear decisions. There's so much to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: talk about here. I could go on forever, but let me.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Get one more to you and show you this terrible
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: example of a pregnant woman arrested in her home in
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Victoria simply for what she posted on social media.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: She's pregnant, so what's this about.
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: To be relating to a Facebook post in relating to
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: a lockdown protest?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you ever wondered whether we were living
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: in a police state, that kind of answered the question.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But we also had the government secretly censoring information on
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: social media.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: We had people arrested in the streets for not wearing masks.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, the level of medical and authoritarian overreach was extreme.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Surely the only way to deal with this is a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: full national role commission.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: Well, there are a lot of things there to unpack, Chris,
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: but firstly, I agree with you and have consistently called
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: for a role commission. I can't make that decision or
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: control that. What I can do in my role as
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Human Rights Commissioner is to say, we need to look
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: to the future and look at what changes we can make,
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: what lessons we can learn to ensure it doesn't happen again.
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: I think the key to that is developing an emergency
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: response framework that make sure human rights are embedded in
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: decision making. So that when we look at something like
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: the pandemic response, we can find a better way to
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: actually keep people safe, but at the same time make
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: sure fairness and compassion is part of that response.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lorraine Finlay, thanks so much for joining us, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: thanks for at least doing this report and returning.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: The focus to these issues. That's so important.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Lorraine Finlay there from the Human
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Rights Commission. It's so important we learn the lessons from
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: this stuff. Some people just want to let it go
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and the way it sits at the moment. If someone
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: so much as sneezes next month will go.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Through all this again.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: The politicians and the media who all trumped up the fear,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they don't want to look at it. They don't want
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: their own misinformation and their own overreach exposed.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So look out for the next pandemic. For crying out loud.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Got to get to a break.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: After that, we'll talk about anti semitism in this country
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and some people getting around the place suggesting it's all
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a big blow up. Let's return to the debate about
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: anti semitism in this country. And I am joined now
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: by the Chief Rabbi, Chief Minister of the Great Synagogue
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in Sydney.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Rabbi Benjamin Elton, thanks for joining us at Rabbi. I've
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: got to get your thoughts.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: On the scourge of anti Semitism because we've focused on
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it a lot over the past eight eight months. It's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: been particularly virulent over the past six months. But these
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: revelations from the police yesterday that there's been criminals involved,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: arguably using the anti Semitism around for their criminal purposes.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that and is there anything
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: reassuring in that for you?
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: What's clear is that the impact on the Jewish community
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: was terrifying. These were anti Semitic incidents in practice in
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: their impact and clear perpetrated by people who had no
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: problem in terrorizing and terrifying the Jewish community. And from
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: that perspective, the problem is exactly what we thought it
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: was six months ago or three months ago.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at one of the headlines
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: here about the arrests here and the police have been
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: focusing on lately. Tells us the former Nomad's biking presence,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: saying it Mohammad Mussari has been charged over the Dural
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: caravan raids after allegedly commissioning Bondi attacks as well. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you've got someone from this cohort, the Biki gangs, using
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, delivering attacks that are anti Semitic in their
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: nature and in their targets. Yet some people are suggesting
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: we should be reassured. I mean, I'm drastically alarmed by
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: this and wondering who else is involved in all the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: other attacks.
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: What we don't know who is the person or person's
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: behind all of the attacks, the ultimate source that has
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: not yet been discovered or field. What is clear is
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: these were terrifying attacks, and I find any suggestion that
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: this should make us less worried absurd and bizarre, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: actually comes opposed to gas lighting the Jewish community, when
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: synagogues are set on fire, when schools and daycares are
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: receive anti Semitic graffiti referencing the Nazis, these anti Semitic attacks,
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: there is nothing reassuring about anything we've learned over the
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: past few days.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and when we've had Muslim preachers on straight corners
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: celebrating the slaughter of innocent Israelis, and when we've had
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: people chanting where's the Jews or death to the Jews,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: or if the Jews at the opera has to pretend
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: there's now a problem here is just amazingly reckless. I
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: would have thought, I want to show you a little
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: exerpt by what's occurred in the New South Wales Parliament
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: today when there's been some questioning of you knew what
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and when?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Why did you.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Not tell the post that the dural ev was not
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: motivated by ideology, politics or religion?
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: Well that has now been.
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: Why did I not do it at the timely point
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: when you could have helped the state of news operational
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: policing matters for police?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Now, Rabbi, can you tell me whether you're completely confident
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that the police have handled these matters properly and that
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the public and the Jewish community have been given all
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the appropriate information and the appropriate timeframe.
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: We can't know that for sure, because we don't know
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: what the police haven't revealed to us. But I do
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: have confidence in the support of the state government in
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: protecting the Jewish community, and we expect behind the scenes,
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: in a confidential way, the Attorney General of the State
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: and the Premier of the States are holding the police
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: to account and are making sure they are delivering on
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: their pledge to keep the Jewish community safe and to
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: uncover and reveal the causes of these terrible attacks.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we just need more information and we have to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: see what transpires through the court process as well. In
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the meantime, we need to be very vigilant for any
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: episodes of anti Semitism in the community. Now, you're going
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to be involved in an event hosted by the Center
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: for Independent Studies. We had our Anti Semitism summit that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: was hosted by Sky News. You're doing event to discuss
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: these issues. Paid the curtes involved and also the Special
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Envoy for Antisemitism, Gillian Siegel. Tell us about what you're
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: going to address here and what your key points are.
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: I'll be looking at the deep historical routes of antisemitism
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: that underpin the outbreak in New South Wales and Australia recently,
• 32:49
  Speaker 12: and how we can trace the response to Lottober seventh
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: to deep prejudices against Jewish people which have been surfaced
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: by the events of the past eighteen months, but have
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: been there all the time, and that we need to
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: thoroughly eradicate these veins of anti Judaism and veins of
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: anti Semitism that are undermining the cohesion and harmony about society,
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: because it's been a rude awakening over the past eighty
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: months and we've been reminded of the depth of the problem,
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: but it never went away and now has to be
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: dealt with properly and once.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: And for all.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Rabbi, I appreciate it. Rabbi
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Elton. He's the chief minister at the Great Synagogue
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in Sydney. If you'd like to join that event with
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the CIS that you can get onto them through.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Their website CIS dot org dot au.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It's on next Wednesday and you can get along to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: that event via the CIS.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Now we'll be able to take a break.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that break, I'll be catching
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: up with the former Labor Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon find
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: out why he thinks the major parties should freeze out
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the Greens and the Teals.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: While everybody's worried about the prospect of a hung parliament
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and minor already government, some people are thinking about how
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: we could possibly avoid this situation. One of them is
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Joel had Skimven, the former Labor defenseman. As he joins
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: me now from Cesnok in New South Wales, Hunter Valley,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Good to speak to you again, Jil. We haven't caught
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: up since the inauguration week in Washington, but you've been
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: keeping your thinking cap.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: On and you're suggesting that the major parties ought to.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Deal with this and just basically do a deal that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: whoever wins the most votes the most seats in the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: lower House can form government with the support of the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: other minor party. It's the other major party. Sorry, it's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: a it'll be a neat way.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: To freeze out the Tills and the Greens.
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: It's a bit warmer here Christ than it was in DC.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: Look, I think it's a very simple proposition. I saw
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: the last Home Parliament up close as the Chief Government
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: whip and as I said in an article in The
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: Australian and recently Rob Akeshot the Independent of the Day,
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: said that it would be ugly but beautiful in its ugliness.
• 34:57
  Speaker 14: But it was just ugly. Those of it who lived
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: it can attest to that, and we want to avoid
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: that it has a chilling effect on our economy as
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: investors sit back wondering what's next. I mean, we waited
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: seventeen days last time to even form a government. We
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: don't want to see a rerun of that, but nor
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: do we want to be held ransom by Greens and
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: other extreme left wingers to form a government. And it
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: just makes sense to me, and it seems more democratic
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: to me that the people who should decide who our
• 35:32
  Speaker 14: next prime minister is are those who hold very large
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: positions in the House of Representatives, those who shared around
• 35:40
  Speaker 14: seventy percent of the primary vote. We have seventy deciding
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: who the next prime minister will be, rather than someone
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: who attracted ten or less percent of the primary vote.
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: But of course I'm not talking about a coalition. I'm
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: just talking about an arrangement which in which the two
• 35:55
  Speaker 14: leaders commit themselves to providing the person who has the
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: most number of seats, not a majority, but the most
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: number of seats with both confidence and supply in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: House for an eighteen month period only, but only on
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: one matter, and that is an agreed economic reform package,
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: a package we so desperately need as a country. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: just think hard reforms just getting too hard now for
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: the major parties because they share such a low proportion
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: of the primary vote around sixty eight percent at the
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: last election, so it's a good opportunity to turn what
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: could be a disaster into something really special. That is
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: an opportunity to get a significant reform package through the Parliament,
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: both through the House and the Senate, which is a
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: good point because even if one of them secured a
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: majority in the House of Representative, they're not going to
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: have a majority in the Senate. So it's a great
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: opportunity in my view, and it would be much better.
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: They can still fight about everything else they want to
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: fight about every other bill that comes through the Parliament.
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: They can block and play any bill that comes through it,
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: like a tax reform bill, for example, which is part
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: a tax reform bill which makes our taxes toem more
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: internationally competitive and more efficient. If it comes through major parties,
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: wave it throughout the House and the Senate. Once that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: done an ad month's time, or it's all bets off.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, it makes sense, but most people will say
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: it's too far fatt to actually happen. But my view
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: is that you're onto something here because if we keep
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: seeing this happening and our lower House is going to
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: be as messy as the Senate for a long while
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: to come, then it's the only way to get any
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: sort of reform. If our economy keeps taking our budgets
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: out of control, no major party is ever going to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: be able to get reforms through through a hung parliament.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Unless the major parties actually work together, you won't see
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: any of these serious problems tackled exactly.
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: And I made the point, and I made this point
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: in the article The Australian published. I think on Tuesday
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: that Hawk and Keydding I don't think could achieve their
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: significan economic reforms in today's environment. And I don't believe
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: John Howard could win an election in nineteen ninety eight
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: promising to implement a GST in this environment. So there's
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: an opportunity here by necessity, and the necessity is making
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: sure the country is not held to ransom and the
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: chilling effect that has in the investment community. An opportunity
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  Speaker 14: to work together on this one single thing, a reform
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  Speaker 14: package which would be agreed by consensus the two party leaders,
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: the state premiers, union leaders, industry leaders, community sector leaders,
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: I just got to point out, though, as great as
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: many of those economic reforms of Hawk and Ketting were,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that they're not they weren't opposed by the Coalition Howard,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and they put them. Most of them were way Frings benefits.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: It was a bit more difficult for Howard getting.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: The GST past Labor's opposition.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you something today about our
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: current economic situation. It's a comment today in an interview
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: with Ross Greenwood from the ORACA boss Sanjeeva Gandhy. You
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: might have had dealings with him up there in the Hunter.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Here's what he says about doing business in Australia.
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  Speaker 15: We are struggling, as every other manufacturer in this country
• 39:15
  Speaker 15: is high energy costs, high electricity costs, low productivity, high
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: libor costs. So we need help and I think it's
• 39:21
  Speaker 15: a bit too late now to bring in more supply.
• 39:23
  Speaker 15: I think what we do need is a reservation policy
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  Speaker 15: for gas for genuine manufacturers like ourica in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Joff. It's given.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It's one thing that wings about Donald Trump's tariffs, but
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: we're effectively putting an energy tariff on everybody who operates
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in this country with our high electricity costs and our
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: high gas costs or unnecessarily so.
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  Speaker 14: The regulatory burden in this country and our energy are
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: costs in manufacturing in particular, easy out of control. But
• 39:51
  Speaker 14: because we don't need a reservation policy, We've got enough
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: gas to last us one thousand years, you know we can.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: We can.
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: If we get all that out of the ground, then
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: we can consume as much as we like cheaply, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 14: export as much as we like. We don't have to
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: be all okay, we get to certain parts, to certain
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: sectors within the local and global economies. We've just got
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: to get I mean, it took Narrabrie Santosis Narrabrie project,
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: but well it's been fifteen or sixteen years in the
• 40:16
  Speaker 14: making and it still hasn't been approved. And that's just
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: one example.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Joel fitzgiven former labor minister, what
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you're saying is drill baby, drill.
• 40:26
  Speaker 14: Well I wouldn't use that term necessarily, but yeah, something
• 40:29
  Speaker 14: like that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. Thanks for joining us.
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: In my hotels and supermarks. Just can't understand Chreas that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: a country something downed with our fuel energy and we're
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: paying such high energy prices.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more problems, and good on you for
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: saying it. Thanks for joining us, Joel fitzgiven their former
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: labor defense Minister. He knows what we've got, he knows
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: our resources, and he knows that they're going to make
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the country prosperous.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But we're hurting ourselves. Got to take a break.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I just should mention that interview at sound You Gandhi
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in full with Ross on the Business Weekend on Sunday
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: on Sky News Now after the break, the Wednesday wrangle,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: of course, more on.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Albo struggling to get a phone call with Donald.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Trump, plus the President buys himself for Tesla to support
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Elon musk Okay, Let's wrangle with Melbourne broadcast and author
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith, and on the desk here with Me late
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: debate co host Liz Storer. Liz Albo couldn't even get
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a phone call from Donald Trump.
• 41:30
  Speaker 13: I know this just goes from bad tours. It's really
• 41:33
  Speaker 13: embarrassing at this point. But what we can count on
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: is there's nothing happening in this space. It simply looks
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: like we've counted on getting a good deal like we
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: did last time, and it's not going to happen. Donald
• 41:45
  Speaker 13: Trump has always been very big on tariffs. You can
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: watch videos of him talking about this twenty years ago,
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: saying if I was president of this country. I'd use tariffs,
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: here's how I'd use them and why.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And he's doing the exact.
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: Thing he said he'd do twenty years ago. And you
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: just hope that this is going to forth Australia to
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: pull its own socks up. You just can't count on
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: these guys anymore. And I think this is what Donald
• 42:11
  Speaker 13: Trump is doing for his allies. Yes, we're still friends,
• 42:14
  Speaker 13: but he's like, you guys need to stand on your
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: own two feet a lot more than you currently are.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon? Justin?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd is not really the right person to be
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: pushing our case in Washington and Albow's see the Trade
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Minister wasn't even over there.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are they doing? Well?
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: I think Liz summed it up when she said we're
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: still friends. Bart Is probably just sums the whole thing up. Look,
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I'm not here to stand in front
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: of Albanisi or Rudd, but I don't think it's particularly
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: embarrassing for them because of what Liz just said is
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: that Trump was always going to do this, And I
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: mean and for the people, particularly the Australian people and
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: parts of the Australian media that have been cheering Trump
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: on and the whole make America Great campaign since twenty
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: and fifteen and sixteen. This is what you get when
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: he makes America great again.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: This is what you get. But I got an exemption
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: last time.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: Fine when it's sitting on top of a red hat,
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: but then when you cop one in the ghoulies like.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: We just have. We got an exemption, last responsibility for it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But this is what it is. But we've got an
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: exemption last years. He was always going to do this,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but we've got an exemption last week.
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: It was always going to happen. It was as going
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: to work out this way, and.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: No it wasn't because we've got an exemption last time.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: You don't think maybe the difference this time was that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: the people asking for the exemption have spent the last
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: ten years talking like this.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Who could believe our luck that this madman called Trump
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: could have been elected.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: We have an alliance with the US, We're going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: deal with him.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: He scared it out of me.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: As the United States in the last four years has
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: been run by a village idiot.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: I think everyone is rightly appalled at what mister Trump
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: is reported to have said. I mean, none of us
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: have a vote in the US election. That's obviously matter
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: ultimately for the Americans, but we can have an opinion
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: about what he said, and what he said was appalling.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And then you say all that lives and then say
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: please take my phone call. I want to favor.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Say the same thing.
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: I don't believe that Trump is basing such a decision
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: like this on the fact that these guys have been
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: mean to him.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I think he's all about it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: I don't think it's being that smart.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I reckon, I reckon petty is a word for him.
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: I genuinely don't, because there's something as important as this.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It's not based.
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: Did it maybe play a part, Sure, you're but I
• 44:51
  Speaker 13: don't believe that they're going to turn around and punish
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: the nation that we've followed them into every single wall
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: like that. When we say they're our closest out, we
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: literally mean we'd be blocking the followed us. It's us
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: following that, and they know, much like China, can flex
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: and do whatever they like, whether it's in the same
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: China see whether they and you asked earlier on the show.
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: Are they going to you know, is going to get
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: some more respect from China? No, they don't have to
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: show it to us.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: These are the point.
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: This is my point, is a middle power and with
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: this government we are we are becoming and even smaller
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: power so they can boss us around.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: We are a significant nation, we should be a significant nation.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We're behaving like.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: We're just doormats at the moment and they've embarrassed themselves
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: and why would Trump deal with them? It just it
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: just staggers me. It just staggers me that these people
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: are running the show.
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: Do we have the Prime Minister speaking up to Write
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: or do we have speaking up to Trump or do
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: we have them being a doormat? I mean really quite understand.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: You've got to speak up sensibly. Mate. You don't go around.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Speaking like some university protest there bagging a bloke and
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: then are you going to need.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: To do business with You've got to speak like an adult.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Now let me move on before we run out of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: other topics.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I've got to get your thoughts on this because you're
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: living and breathing the Victorian experience. Here's your premiere about
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: her new bail laws, and just reminding people around the country.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Labour's been in power in Victoria now for ten years
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and now she's doing this.
• 46:24
  Speaker 16: The laws we are introducing be the toughest laws in
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: Australia and we're doing this as a response to listening
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: to the concerns of the Victorian community.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It's time that there.
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: Be respect put back into our system, respect for the rules,
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: which is why the consequences for breaking the rules whilst
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: on bail is a key plank in the reforms that
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: we are introducing here today.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Just in ten years and now they admit they've got
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: a law and order problem.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, look there might be a case of
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: better lake than never, and we you know, look it's good.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It's a good move.
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: I guess the next problem is what, which is a
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: constant problem, particularly I see in Victoria, is what are
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: the courts going to do with it? Because we've been
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: down this path before. You might go back a few
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: years ago where there was a problem with people beating
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: the hell out of emergency services workers. So they brought
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: in mandatory jail for people who assaulted emergency services workers
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: and the judges found a way around it. So that's
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: what they do. They find their way around things. So
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: it's great. What happened today is great. Let's see how
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: it plays out in the courts.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: That's going to be in there now, Liz, I'm going
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on what's happening in the US
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: with Tesla. Tesla is now very unpopular with the lefties.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: They loved it for a while. Now the Lelo musk
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: is cutting costs. They hate it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Have a look at how some people are expressing their hatred.
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: Just look at the vandalism to this one hundred thousand
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: dollars Tesla cyber truck. Dozens of cyber trucks at a
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: parking lot in Fort Lauderdale were spreaking it with a
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: vulgar term directed at Tesla owned Elon Musk. Some vandals
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: recorded themselves in the acts. Across the USA, owners of
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: the distinctive looking vehicles say they're being targeted by strangers.
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: Smoke billowing above several Tesla chargers on fire in the
• 48:14
  Speaker 17: overnight hours. In Littleton, seven of twelve chargers damaged at
• 48:18
  Speaker 17: the Tesla station located in the back corner of a
• 48:21
  Speaker 17: large shopping area.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Political hydride taking out on electric vehicles.
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: Now, indeed, I mean normally we would achieve this on
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: really all for the EVAs, but this is now extraordinary.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: The response from Trump saying that he's going to make
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: this domestic terrorism. It's going to be classified as he's
• 48:39
  Speaker 13: really swinging in behind his mate, which is no surprise.
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: A look, actually, he's got to spend over a quarter
• 48:44
  Speaker 13: of a billion dollars getting you election.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly good. He's got a tesla at the White House.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Now have a look.
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: I'm going to buy because number one is a great product,
• 48:52
  Speaker 11: as good as it gets, and number two because this
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: man has devoted his energy in his life to doing this.
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: I think he's been read very unfairly by a very
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: small group of people, and I just want people to
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: know that you can't be penalized for being a patriot,
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: and he's a great patriot.
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: So he literally turned the White House lawn into a
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: tesla lot, had them all lined up seeing and promised
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: to buy money, even though he admitted he's not allowed
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: to dry.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: He's chump into electric vehicles. Now you're gonna love it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks for George, Thanks for your exasperation there in Melbourne. Justin,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: we appreciate it. Justin Smith and Eliza Astaurer, thanks very much.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And we'll wrangle again next week. We are right out
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: of time. I'll see you tomorrow night. And justin speaking
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: himself up off the floor, here's Peter