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Gorgeous young female doctor-mom bludgeoned DEAD, still in heels. The suspect revealed! PART 2 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's the hamlet sitting next to her, and you
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  Speaker 1: had left it and didn't touch anything. No, I did
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  Speaker 1: not touch anything. I touched her. I shook her a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. All right, one moment. You're doing really well.
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  Speaker 1: So the last time you had seen her as what time,
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  Speaker 1: probably three screaming stuff, two or three weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 1: you said she returned today. I don't know when she
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  Speaker 1: came back, but she was supposed to go back. She
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to go to work today at nine o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: And her husband called me from Connecticut to say she
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  Speaker 1: didn't shut up the work and she not answering her phone,
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  Speaker 1: and he checked her. He tried call and tried call her,
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  Speaker 1: and he was going to call her mom. And he
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  Speaker 1: said she was swinging by. Can you swing by? And
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  Speaker 1: I knocked on the front door and nobody answered, and
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  Speaker 1: the lights were on. I could see her person on
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  Speaker 1: the countertop and she didn't answer. Pallderd Paldon needing the
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  Speaker 1: key coat to get into the glass Royal for the
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  Speaker 1: glass store, and the doors leading until it was opened.
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  Speaker 1: One of the dog ran out. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he left or not. And yeah, and I walked in.
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking, walking in the door on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm on one call made by the doctor that
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  Speaker 1: worked with gorgeous young mom. Doctor Teresa Severs, the mom
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  Speaker 1: of two little girls, runs her own practice, a fixture
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  Speaker 1: in the community, all into women's wellness, many times speaking
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  Speaker 1: and working for free to help other people. The husband
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  Speaker 1: and the two little girls away in Connecticut when mom
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  Speaker 1: is murdered in their Florida home. They're in Benita Springs.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? Joining me Jason Ocean's New York defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Cortesi, former FBI Special Agent, director of the Cold
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  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, the medical Examiner for the
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  Speaker 1: State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, renown ycho analysts out
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  Speaker 1: of LA Doctor Bethany Marshall, and right now to Amanda Hall,
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  Speaker 1: reporter with w i e K TV Fort Myers. The
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  Speaker 1: crime scene photos and full evidence can be found at
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  Speaker 1: crime online dot com. As we analyze the brutal murder
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  Speaker 1: of doctor Teresa Severs, Amanda Hall, doctor Teresa Sievers, and
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  Speaker 1: husband Mark Sievers, seemingly very devoted were swingers? Okay? And
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  Speaker 1: just hold on, doctor Bethany Marshall, you are a psycho analyst.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you explain the term swingers and why
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  Speaker 1: anybody would bother to get married if you want to
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  Speaker 1: quote swing. Oh. The swingers are a sexual subculture, usually
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  Speaker 1: couples or single women. Single men are not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of swingers organizations where the couple essentially
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  Speaker 1: has an open relationship and each couple has their own
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  Speaker 1: arrange Some have arrangements that the husband or wife can
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  Speaker 1: have sexual partners while away from each other, and some
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  Speaker 1: have arrangements where they can only have group sex and
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  Speaker 1: group situations, so they hook up with other couples and
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  Speaker 1: have four sons, five sons, things like that. But in
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  Speaker 1: my clinical practice, what I see with the swingers community
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  Speaker 1: is usually the desire to be a part of it
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  Speaker 1: is driven by the man, not the woman. It's been
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  Speaker 1: rare that I've ever treated a couple who claimed to
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  Speaker 1: be swingers where the woman really endorsed the arrangement. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, doctor Bethany, because Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: just as doctor Bethany has just said, when one partner
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  Speaker 1: wants that and the other one does, I mean, why
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  Speaker 1: bother marching down the aisle and taking all those vows
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  Speaker 1: if you want to quote dat other people, and that's
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  Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig. When this type of
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  Speaker 1: thaying is introduced after the marriage, or sometimes even before,
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  Speaker 1: it's a very clever way to figure out how to
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  Speaker 1: cheat on your wife without her being able to call
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  Speaker 1: it cheeks. That's what it is. Well, I agree with you,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to get back to the fact. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I never went back to Amanda hall w I
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  Speaker 1: n KTV Fort Myers investigative reporter, Amanda, you said there
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  Speaker 1: were rumors you've been investigating the case. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: they're true? I mean, let me, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: ask your opinion on that. Was there evidence to support
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  Speaker 1: the rumors? Well? Mark Sievers in his interview with investigators
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  Speaker 1: said that they were swingers, you know, talked about the lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Was that a tactic to say, look over here,
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  Speaker 1: look at this, you know? Was that something that they
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  Speaker 1: really engaged in regularly? You know, I report on the facts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't report on rumors. Have I heard rumors? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I have, Nancy, you know what, let's go back rather
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  Speaker 1: than speculate about what they were doing with the digital
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  Speaker 1: sex calendar and the swinging and the this and the that,
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  Speaker 1: and the whining about their sex life. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to make about that, but I do know what
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  Speaker 1: to think up a crime scene. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: the first person on the scene other than the killer.
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  Speaker 1: You were there because they asked you to take care
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  Speaker 1: of the house of that correct mark. Her husband called
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  Speaker 1: me to say, can you chuck on her? Because it's
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  Speaker 1: not like her not to show up to work in relate? Okay, So,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you told him before. But when um,
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  Speaker 1: after he called the chuck on his wife because she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't at work? Correct? Oh? Wait in Robbly talked to
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  Speaker 1: him one okay, gatting the code number, he sounded a
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  Speaker 1: little you know whatever. You see the call from work
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  Speaker 1: saying she wasn't there. I don't know. Okay, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know he's he's her office manager. Oh, she's ther
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  Speaker 1: office manager of his business. No, he's offer candor of
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  Speaker 1: her medical practice. Okay, yeah, and we're too right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I believe he's in Connecticut. That's pretty told me. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand that too. Amanda Hall w I n
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  Speaker 1: KTV Fort Myers. So the husband, I thought a coworker
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  Speaker 1: had the doctor, the co doctor go to the home.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm hearing in the nine one one call
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  Speaker 1: the husband up in Connecticut calls doctor Petrites to go
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  Speaker 1: check on her. Is that correct? Yeah, that's right. Um.
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  Speaker 1: She sent Mark, her husband, a text message, letting him
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  Speaker 1: know that she had gotten in safe the night before,
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  Speaker 1: and appears to be the last communication that they had.
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  Speaker 1: She flew home early from this family trip while he
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  Speaker 1: stayed up in Connecticut with her family and their two daughters.
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  Speaker 1: She came back early so that she could see patients
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  Speaker 1: on Monday morning. And so when she didn't show up,
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  Speaker 1: you know that people in her office got concerned and
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  Speaker 1: Mark couldn't get in touch with her, and so he
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  Speaker 1: sends this guy over to check on her and see
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  Speaker 1: why she didn't show Okay, so they called him and
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  Speaker 1: he had someone go there. Okay, you know another thing
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  Speaker 1: I want to follow up on this whole entry and
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  Speaker 1: exit from the home. Take a listen to what else
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  Speaker 1: we learn on the nine one one call. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a big bash in the back of her head. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's a vehicle at her house or no, the vehicles,
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  Speaker 1: that's her house. Yes, in the garage, the garage door.
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  Speaker 1: ROO closed. I am okay, we ne breath. Did you
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  Speaker 1: left the same where you entered? Or did you leave
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  Speaker 1: the front door? No? No, no, I just I touched
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  Speaker 1: her and I just freaked out. I walked outside here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: when you write outside, did you walk out the front door?
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  Speaker 1: Did you walk back out the garage door? Back out
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  Speaker 1: the glash door? And I closed the door because the
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  Speaker 1: dogs right here? So I did touch the handles. That's
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  Speaker 1: the way. If you just went through the I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: it's just a moment. Yeah, so you I'm sorry, you
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  Speaker 1: just went through the front door. The glam I'm very sorry. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. Or have you centered you at the same door.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine, And we're taking a close look at how
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing went down. But as according to Amanda
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  Speaker 1: hall w I n KTV Fort Myers, he himself, Mark
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  Speaker 1: Severs claims the family the two of them were quote
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  Speaker 1: swingers having sex outside the marriage. Amanda Hall h w
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  Speaker 1: I n k TV Fort Myers, what can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about neighbors that heard them arguing? That must have
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  Speaker 1: been a heck of a fight for neighbors to be
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  Speaker 1: able to hear it. Yeah, we've heard from neighbors, we've
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  Speaker 1: heard from patients of hers in her office, We've heard
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  Speaker 1: from a lot of people that the receivers had loud arguments.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's been described as as a tiny little woman,
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  Speaker 1: but a dynamite in a small package. She could be
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  Speaker 1: very feisty, yelling at her husband or you know, getting
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  Speaker 1: angry with people in her office, some of her staff
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  Speaker 1: as well. Well, you know that's interesting, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I remember when I first you know, actually
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  Speaker 1: let me go to you on this, Chary mccollumba, because
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  Speaker 1: you remember it. Having work, I mean in the trenches
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  Speaker 1: for so long. When I first went to the District
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  Speaker 1: Attorney's office, I would say, when I picked up my
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  Speaker 1: phone in my office, Fulton County District Attorney's Office, Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: how can I help you. By the end of that
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  Speaker 1: almost eleven years, I'd just say, da, I was so
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  Speaker 1: exhausted with the overload of cases and burned just trying
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  Speaker 1: to keep up with the massive crush of cases to
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  Speaker 1: take on trial and do the right thing by everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got this woman in her own medical practice,
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  Speaker 1: and she's got girls, their children, they're little they're taughts
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  Speaker 1: and she's supporting the husband. And yes, Jason Ashans I
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  Speaker 1: know who's the office manager. But the stress must have
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  Speaker 1: been incredible. It's got to be overwhelming. Plus, she seems
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  Speaker 1: to me if she's being called the Oprah Winfrey of Florida,
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  Speaker 1: she's a perfectionist. She's on her game all the time,
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  Speaker 1: she's on TV, she's out in the public, she's doing
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  Speaker 1: all this good work. So if she's got a partner
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  Speaker 1: that maybe's not pulling his weight, it may just get
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  Speaker 1: to hurt on a different level. Okay, so what about it?
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  Speaker 1: Do Doctor Bethy Marshall, psychoanalyst weigh in, All, she's the
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  Speaker 1: one with the hammer in the back of the head. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So let's just be clear that even if you're a bitch,
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  Speaker 1: even if you're angry, even if you fight with your
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  Speaker 1: husband all the time, you don't deserve to have a
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  Speaker 1: hammer in the back of your head. But secondly, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people act crazy, but that doesn't mean they are crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It means that they are in what we call a
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  Speaker 1: crazy making situation. So it could be that her husband
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  Speaker 1: was engaging in some kind of emotional subterfuge manipulating her.
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  Speaker 1: If they were swingers, kind of coursing her into an
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  Speaker 1: open relationship. He's breathing in and out of the office
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  Speaker 1: that she's working her pailoff. And maybe she was really angry,
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she was boiling over. Maybe she's one of these
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  Speaker 1: people who, even though she was all into this holistic practice,
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  Speaker 1: it was a cover up for the fact that she
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  Speaker 1: didn't know herself very well. Sometimes when people are all
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  Speaker 1: into this sort of clean living and spiritual and energy
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  Speaker 1: and vibes, it's because they are very angry underneath, and
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  Speaker 1: they are defending against all that anger by trying to
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  Speaker 1: grasp onto some theory that will make them feel better.
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  Speaker 1: But this could have been what we call a crazy
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  Speaker 1: making relationship. It was making her crazy well. Aside from
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  Speaker 1: the relationship, remember the husband's up in Connecticut. When she
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  Speaker 1: is murdered, the neighborhood the community on alert. Take a listener, friend,
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  Speaker 1: Rina Nina, I'd already say they are actively pursuing leads
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  Speaker 1: in this ongoing homicide investigation and have reminded neighbors to
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  Speaker 1: lock their doors. Everybody in the neighborhood wants and know why,
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  Speaker 1: how when you know who? Founder? Who called nine one one?
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  Speaker 1: While the community and police search for answers. Her mourning family,
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  Speaker 1: including eight and eleven year old daughters, hope to carry
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  Speaker 1: on her life's mission. We have to be strong because
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  Speaker 1: Teresa was strong, and every time I start to cry,
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  Speaker 1: I hear her telling me, knock it off. Teresa cared
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  Speaker 1: about everybody. She was passionate. Her motto was, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to get healthy, I'm passionate about getting you there.
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  Speaker 1: Soighborhood the community on alert. But I've got a big question.
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  Speaker 1: It hit me all of a sudden to Jeff Cortesi,
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  Speaker 1: former FBI, isn't there about four point three million dollars
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  Speaker 1: life insurance on Teresa Sievers life? There is that? That
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  Speaker 1: was my understanding as well, And obviously that's going to
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  Speaker 1: stand out to investigators. One of the things that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking into is when that that policy
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  Speaker 1: was taken out, if there were adjustments made to it recently,
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  Speaker 1: if there were changes in beneficiaries, all, all of that's
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  Speaker 1: going to play significantly into the investigative process. So what
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  Speaker 1: about it, Amanda Hall, What can you tell me? Investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter to WI and KTV about the life insurance? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we know that the life insurance policies I think there
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  Speaker 1: were five of them, totaled four point four million dollars,
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  Speaker 1: and we know that that money was a motivator here,
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  Speaker 1: according to investigative documents, you know, by accounts we've heard,
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  Speaker 1: despite having this law, beautiful home and this medical practice,
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  Speaker 1: this family was living essentially paycheck to paycheck. They had
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  Speaker 1: a significant IRS lean on their home. So that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the first things that really catches your attention is
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  Speaker 1: the insurance money. Four I thought it was four point three.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me it's four point four million dollars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: four point four million. Wow, Wow, Okay, amazing to me.
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  Speaker 1: That is a lot of money. To Jason Notions, renowned
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney, Jason, is that normal? Four point four million
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  Speaker 1: dollars life insurance policy? Follow the money, right, Follow the money?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's good to look around the flip side.
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  Speaker 1: I mean everything we've been talking about there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: open relationship, close relationship, or aggressiveness non aggressiveness theories about that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they were in financial trouble and you know
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  Speaker 1: the background of the relationship and part being driven and
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  Speaker 1: his frustrations as he documented in his journal, the money,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, there it is four point four million.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe maybe the open relationship as a smokescreen to
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  Speaker 1: it all. But as Amanda Hall is saying, they owed
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  Speaker 1: so much money, there was a lean on their home
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  Speaker 1: even though she was bringing in you know, titans share
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  Speaker 1: of money. Still, they owed a lot of money and
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  Speaker 1: they're raising twins. But then everything changes with just one look.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Aaron Moriarty. Eight days after doctor
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  Speaker 1: Teresa Severs was murdered, friends and family came together for
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  Speaker 1: her funeral. Almost all her patients were there. I was numb.
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  Speaker 1: As we were going down to try to get to
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  Speaker 1: the casket. We were seeing her sisters on one side,
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  Speaker 1: and the look that we were getting wasn't a look
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  Speaker 1: of sadness, it was look of hatred. Frank Pays and
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  Speaker 1: his wife Sandra say the look didn't just come from
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  Speaker 1: doctor severs sisters. They were getting the same look from
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  Speaker 1: the grieving widower. I hugged him. What do you say?
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  Speaker 1: I said, Mark, I am so sorry. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: words to say to you. And he squeezed me so
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  Speaker 1: tight and nothing came out of his mouth. Than Sandra
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  Speaker 1: hugged him, and but Mark hugged Sandra, his teeth grinned
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't nothing of sorrow or sadness. The look
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  Speaker 1: was hatred. I stepped back, I said, Hodie, now it's
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  Speaker 1: amazing to me. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst. I
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  Speaker 1: remember fighting tooth and nail to get evidence in at
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  Speaker 1: a trial that a husband refused to pay for his
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  Speaker 1: wife's funeral. And in that same case, when the husband
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  Speaker 1: was confronted by the family pastor who came into the
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  Speaker 1: hospital room when the wife was in a coma from
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  Speaker 1: a fire, I asked the preacher, did he the husband
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  Speaker 1: ever ask you to pray for his wife to live? Well?
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  Speaker 1: The answer, of course, was no, And I thought the
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  Speaker 1: judge was just get it to a backflip. I think
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  Speaker 1: demeanor is very, very important, and the fact that somebody
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  Speaker 1: says he has a hateful look on his face, that
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  Speaker 1: that concerns me, Nancy, that behavioral evidence is so important.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was a Baptist minister. I've gone to so
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  Speaker 1: many funerals, and the grieving widow or widower almost as
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  Speaker 1: acts like a host, you know, hugging people, crying on
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  Speaker 1: their shoulders, you know, sharing condolences. They're grateful that other
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  Speaker 1: people have shown up at the funeral, So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's strange that he has such a hateful look and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Nancy just the backtrack to one very small detail. And
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  Speaker 1: I do not know how this fits in with the
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  Speaker 1: whole story, but I looked at those bloody crime scene
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  Speaker 1: photos that you have on your website on crime Online.
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  Speaker 1: That kitchen was very outdated. It looked like a kitchen
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  Speaker 1: from the nineteen sixties. It looked like they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the money to update anything. And a four point three
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  Speaker 1: million dollars life insurance policy and a house that's falling
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  Speaker 1: apart and bills that are not being paid is such
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  Speaker 1: a strange Jeff juxtaposition. And it was the first thing
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  Speaker 1: that struck me about the crime scene photo, even more
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  Speaker 1: than the blood. If she's making so much money, what
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  Speaker 1: is going on with their finances? Then out of the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: blue we find aunt about another player in the scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this. On the morning in June twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Waynewright got into rental car in Hillsborough, Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: and they wanted to pick up Jimmy Ray Rogers, and
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  Speaker 1: then the two men took off for the eleven under
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  Speaker 1: a mile ride to Benita Springs, Florida, after driving all
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  Speaker 1: day and all night. On Sunday, June twenty eighth, Wayne
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  Speaker 1: and Jimmy arrived at the Siver's home the Benita Springs address.
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  Speaker 1: It's all right there in the GPS. Wayne and Jimmy
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: arrived at the Sever's home the Benita Springs address. It's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: all right there in the GPS, a digital footprint for investigators.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: When Jimmy and Wayne arrived around six am, authorities believe
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: they turned off the house alarm. That may explain why
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Mark's mother, Bonnie was so confused about the arms system.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't not there at six o nine in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Here's ten six on nine. There's what we're trying to work.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Then, according to the GPS, Jimmy and
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  Speaker 1: Wayne left the Seavers home and typed in another address
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  Speaker 1: for a Walmart to do some shopping or friend eran Moriarty.
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  Speaker 1: But as of yet, nothing unusual about a high school
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  Speaker 1: friend coming to house it while they're away. But who
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: exactly are Wayne Wright and Jimmy Ray? It just didn't
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: make sense. Wayne and Mark had grown up together in Missouri.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Wayne was at Teresa's funeral. He had celebrated Mark and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Teresa's wedding with them, and just two months before the murder,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Mark had been Wayne's best man at his wedding. Wayne
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: was also quite literally a familiar face around the office.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Did you two know Wayne? Right? How did you know it?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Here's the computer guy that looks just like Mark. Wayne
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: would travel from Missouri to Florida to work on the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: computers in doctor Sever's office. How would you describe Wayne?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He was geeky. All he wanted to do is get
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to computers up and running focus. But to me he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: just seemed like a very geeky creepster. Did he make
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you nervous a little bit? I can't explain it. It's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just a woman's intuition. How would you describe Mark and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Wayne's relationship? They appear to be close friends. Yeah, you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: always say he's my brother from another mother. That was
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: his lingo all our friends at forty eight hours. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you something. When I look at
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Wayne Wright's photo, he looks exactly like Mark Severs. They
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: really do look like brothers. And you know the reality
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: is having your friend that's working in your office helping
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: me with the computer system. Come, how sit while you're away?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Is not unusual. What makes it unusual is it they
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: were there at the home the morning Sievers is murdered. Now,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: this also is a red flag. They bought, among other things,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: trash bags, flushable web wipes, black towels, black shoes, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a lock picking kit. They paid cash for their purchase
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: with a one hundred dollars bill. Cheryl McCollum, director of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. Did you hear that shopping list, Nancy?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: It physically makes me sick. Let me tell you what
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: jumped out at me. Thirty gallon trash bags, wet wipes,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and black cowels. If it turns out they had anything
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to do with this, chrom they knew it was going
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to be bloody. They selected that. They chose that we're
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: not going to strangle her, We're gonna bash her head
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in with a ballpain hammer. Cheryl McCollum. The significance of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: black towels, bloodmuck. Going to show up you for transporting
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a minute out of a But what's so bizarre about
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this is who is Jimmy Ray Rogers? We know who
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Wayne Wright is. Listen to this, eleven hundred miles away
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in Missouri seemed to come out of the blue Mark's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: stepmother Jenny Weckelman, why you know what's going on? Just
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: seemed like such a disconnect. No one had ever heard
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of the suspect, Jimmy Ray Rogers, but it was the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: mug shot of the other suspect, Wayne Wright that struck everyone.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: He had an uncanny resemblance to the victim's husband, Mark Seevers.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: They look alike, it at least in pictures they look
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like twins. That's when started to believe, you know that,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: definitely there is not something right with Curtis Wayne Wright.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, Curtis Wayne Wright, he goes by.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Wayne was no stranger to Mark's family. Who's Mark's very
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: good friends from ages and ages. So I didn't believe it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Who is this guy Wayne Ry? You hear Aaron Moriarity
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: asking the same question Amanda hall Wi and KTV Fort Myers.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I know he was a long time as in childhood
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: friend of the husband Mark Severs. He lives all the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: way in Missouri. I don't understand why you have to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: bring a friend from Missouri into house it. But the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: reality is he also worked in their medical office. He
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was in charge of the whole computer system. But I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: got very concerned when I found out there were reports
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Wayne Wright had bugged the office computers. Ken, Nancy, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: will never forget, you know, going to a press up
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: conference when the Lee County Sheriff was announcing these arrests
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in this horrific case. It seemed like, you know, an
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: agonizing you know, two months before we found out and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: hearing these two names and hearing Missouri. I remember, members
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of the media, We're all looking at each other. Huh.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You know it was not even you know, people from Florida.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So then exactly right, you you connect Wainwright. Okay, he
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: is the childhood friend of Mark Sievers. People in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: office knew him as the computer guy. He came in
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and saw on all of their computers and did all
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: kinds of stuff for him in the office. So he
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was known to some people in the office. But when
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you hear from some of her friends who attended her
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: funeral and saw him for the first time, they thought
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that it was Mark's brother, you know, they thought, oh good,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: he does have someone, he does have some family here,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he does have a sibling to be with him during
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this time of grief. And then to find out later
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that no it's not his brother, and yes, it's the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: person who killed Teresa. People are are so freaked out
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: by that. You know, to Jeff Cortesi from FBI special agent,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: how can you tell what a computer has been bugged? Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so for it depends on how it was bugged or
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you know, was it video, was it audio? Was it
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: copying material off the computer itself? But you know, they're
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: forensic experts. Computer experts would be able to dismantle the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: computer and identify if something external was put into the computer,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and or if there was some kind of ransomware or
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: some other kind of technology that was siphoning information. Once
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the police discover that the office computers have been bugged,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they head straight to the computer guy who lives in Healsboro, Missouri.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Listen back in June twenty fifteen, practically everyone in Hillsborough,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Missouri knew that Waynwright was planning a weekend trip out
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of town. It wasn't long before police got a tip
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that Wayne had been in Florida at the time of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: doctor Receiver's murder, and he hadn't gone there alone. He
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: went with his jailhouse pal, Jimmy the Hammer Rogers. He
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: had actually told me a couple of weeks before that
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that he might be going to Florida. Jimmy's boss, Jeff Comway.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: He told me a story that his brother had graduated
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: from law school and that he had invited Jimmy down
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to Florida for the weekend, all expenses paid, But he
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: told his pregnant girlfriend, Taylor's shoemaker, another story that he
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: was going out of town for a few days to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: work with Wayne. Detectives from Florida arrived in Hillsborough, Missouri,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: weeks after Jimmy and Wayne returned from their trip. They
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: confronted Wayne about that tip placing him in Florida. He
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: shut them down, but a GPS exposed a lot of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: what they needed to know. Did anybody notice the nickname
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Jimmy the Hammer rogers to Jason Ocean's New York defensitory.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. She's murdered with a ballpeen hammer, a claw hammer,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and I will never get a murder case. And the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: defendant came into court with the word the letters hit
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: man number one shaved into the back of his head. Okay,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I was so happy. I immediately moved all of my
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: posters and all of my stuff that I was going
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to show the jury to the other side of the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: defense table, so that defendant would have to keep turning
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: around and looking at it so the jury could see
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the back of his head. I was. I could not
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have been happier in that moment. That's a nancy, that's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's a that's shrewd lawyering right there. You gotta love
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: when the defendant pluck gen already helping you convict him
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: without just by showing up with whatever tattoo or you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: haircutting into his head, and you know, we would be
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: reading that out and when at the beginning, when you
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: strike a jury, you've got to read the indictment out loud.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: The prosecutor does in front of the jury, and I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: would be reading a ka the hammer, pause Paul's look
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: around the courtroom, and keep reading, how the hey did
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it get here? Listen to Mark Siever's step sister Heart
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: met his future wife in two thousand and three when
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he was visiting Saint Petersburg, Florida. Pretty much love at
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: first sight. Well, I think by the time that he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: introduced her to Mom, I think he was pretty much done.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So he was off the market efficiently. Yeah, really he
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was working as a nurse while she was a recently
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: divorced physician. Teresa hung the moon. She was a remarkable
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: human being and very special. And that's the way Mark
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: treated it from the beginning. Could just you could hear
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it in his voice. They were married on the beach,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: surrounded by friends and family, including stepmother Jenny Weckelman. Was
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a sunset wedding, and she had a beautiful gown. Was
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: very nice. Was he happy on that day? Oh, my gosh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he was very happy. Six months later, their daughter, Josephine
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: was born. The Receivers built a large house in Benita Springs,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and in two thousand and seven welcomed another daughter, Carmela.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: How did Mark feel about being a dad that was
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: everything to him? They were his reason for for being?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: How did Mark feel about being a dad that was
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: everything to him? They were his reason for for for being,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: his reason for being. Well, here's the kicker with that,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, if you truly believe your children
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: are your reason for being? And when I look at
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the twins, everything else I've ever done pales in comparison.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The last thing you would do is to hurt their parents.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Their father or their mother. So you know, I find
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that a very warped view. Well, Nancy, there's a saying
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in my field idealization always leads to devaluation. Okay, White
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a minute, White a minute, Doctor Bethany, Please don't throw
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of big words on us. Okay, we're just
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: mere mortals. Except for you and Gallagher, the rest of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: us are just regular peeps. What did you just say?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Idealization leads to devaluation. So people who are more sociopathic,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: which it appears Mark is he puts up profile, they
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: tend to idealize their love objects at first, but the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: minute they get their feelings hurt or they feel betrayed
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: or mistrustful, then they viciously devalue them. So when somebody
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: comes into my office and says, oh, doctor Marshall, you're
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: so great, you're so wonderful, there's nobody like you. If
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they put me on a pedestal, they're going to know
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: me right off within a few days. So I think
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: just because he thought she hung the moon doesn't mean
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he was able to sustain attachment and love. That's what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing. Well, I got to agree with Jason notions
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: on this thing. Follow the money. Take a listen. When
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: investigators uncovered five life insurance policies for Teresa totally more
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: than four million dollars, it was a red flag. So
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was that trip Mark made to Missouri to be Waynwright's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: best man. And, as it turns out, the other suspect,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Ray Rogers, was also a wedding guest. Investigators wondered
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: if that's where Mark hatched a plan with the two men.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Taylor's shoemaker. Jimmy's girlfriend claimed this was a murder for hire,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and that Jimmy was supposed to be paid ten thousand dollars.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And as I was made money and it was murdering,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: he said, hired Wayne, yes, and lay hired him marked
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: didn't know anything about him maybe, and hired supposed to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: come from insurance from her. No, you're hearing, are moriarty
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and you're hearing audio of an interview with a girlfriend,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend of Jimmy Rogers. You know to Jason Ocean's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: your defense attorney. We hear of husband wife privilege, attorney
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: client privilege, priest, parishioner of privilege, doctor patient privilege. There
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is no boyfriend girlfriend privilege. If you yat and glad
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to your girlfriend. You might as well just go ahead
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and write that in the indictment because nothing is going
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to keep that testimony out of evidence, that's for sure.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And just thinking of and seemingly if he's admitted to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: being complicit in the murder, do you really, as you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: evaluate your relationship with the hammer, want to stay in
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that relationship? Right? Don't you want to get out yourself?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So exactly, no boyfriend, girlfriend, privilege, no contract, no nothing,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So let it all in. I mean, really, it's a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: story old is time doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiner, State
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of Florida. When you get let's just say, a mom,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: a wife murdered, or the husband the father, I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: how many times do you learn the spouse is involved? Well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: just two things to say before that, you know, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I empathize with you when you said that you were
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed with your caseload when you were with the DA's department,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you found an avenue that gives
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the rest of us and forensic a voice to express
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: on this media. And the second thing is, you know
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: these people had gone to Walmart to purchase their things.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many cases I had where just
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: before a murder was committed or somebody became a victim,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that Walmart was involved. The last thing I did was
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: make a purchase at Walmart. And I just want to
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: make a point that not a lot of nice things
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have been said about Walmart, but they do provide a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: lot of surveillance video and information that do bring a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: lot of these people to jest to doctor Gallagher, You're
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: so awesome. I mean, Jeff Cortes, He's right. I thank
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: god at least every other week for Target and Walmart,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: because I always say, Nasca Lauren a thing or two
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: from them. There's surveillance video is so awesome. I mean,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, here's an example, Tod Mom, Casey Anthony Dear.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I drag her into this, but there she is buying
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: beer and push up bras with a forged check. I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: think it was at Target while Lila Kelly was quote
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: missing quote. I mean, that's an example. When Cherish Pierry
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Winkle was abducted from a Walmart superstore, the video shows
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: her killer walking out the door with her. I mean,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I could go on and on and on about, as
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher says, Walmart and all of the supplies. You know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I hate to give any tips, but the killers ever
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: think of going, say a week or a month ahead
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of time? Why is it the day of the day
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: before and they're always busted Jason. The crazy thing, Nancy,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And I've always said this, Uh, you know, just in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the context of you know, the criminal defense world is
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: most most criminals aren't smart. Uh. They might be opportunists
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: at times depending upon the crime, but they're not smart
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and that's why they get caught. Uh. So you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: continue to uh surveil to an extent in society. But yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: God bless Walmart for its cameras and Target as well.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: What about it, Cortes FBI. I guess the FBI works
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: hand in hand with Walmart and Target. They should. It's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: funny that doctor Gallagher Gallerer brought that up. I was
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: thinking the same thing about walm when when we were
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: learning of that. So, you know, absolutely right, Walmart has
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: been a great partner as far as that. But you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: whether it's safe way any grocery store CCTV is is
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: everywhere these days. So I mean, once we identify a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: person and we're a location, we could start working back
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: from there and start piecing things together that you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: after you look back on it, you can't help it
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: looking off. Cheryl McCollum plays the shopping list. You gotta
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: be stupid to not realize you're using a credit card
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and your own camera and you just left the hammer
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: at the crime change. I mean these are genius too
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that he is apparently employeed to do them. He didn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: have this fine to do well. I mean he may
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: be a computer whiz, but he ain't that smart. He's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: not the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Take to listen
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to this. The children are with the Tertas and we
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: have approved to home study for place the events with them.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And there are also other people that have come forward
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to act as respect characters for the children. The investigation
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: also the existence of life insurance policies and amount approaching
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: four point four three million dollars. Yeah, after David also
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: disclosed to the life insurance policy was in part detectives
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: still didn't have the proof they needed to connect Mark
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to his wife, Teresa's murder. And then almost eight months
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: after Teresa Receivers was killed, Wayne Wright, facing a possible
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: death sentence, suddenly turned on his brother from another mother
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and he took a deal. Mister Wright, why are you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: pleading guilty today to second degree murder? Wayne admitted killing Teresa.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I'm pleading guilty because of my role and the planning
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and participating of the murders Teresa Severs. And do you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: accuse Mark Sievers of being the mastermind? That's all police needed? Mark,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Did you hire Wayne Wright to kill your wife? Mark
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Severs was charged with the murder of his wife. Did
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you hire anyone to kill your wife? Bomb shell core
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: documents that we could obtain allege Teresa Severs cash strapped
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: husband hired her killers to get four point five million
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: dollars life insurance policy. To Amanda Hall WI and KTV
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Fort Myers, where does the case stand now? Well, Nancy,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the case is scheduled a good of trial today, but
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that's for Mark Severs and Jimmy Rogers. They're both scheduled
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to start trial at the same time under the same judge.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So obviously that's not going to happen. But what's unclear
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: is whose child's going to start first. We wait as
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: justice unfolds. We will have eyes and ears in that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Florida courtroom as we seek justice for doctor Teresa Sievers
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and her two little girls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,