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One Piece, 836-838 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This is spoil Me, covering one piece episodes eight thirty
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  Speaker 2: six through eight thirty eight, Mom's Secret, The Giants, Island,
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  Speaker 2: Elbaf and a Little Monster, The Birth of Mom, The
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  Speaker 2: Day that Carmel vanished, and Launcher Blasts the moment of
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  Speaker 2: Big Mom's assassination. In these episodes, I was advised to
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  Speaker 2: watch this section twice because there is a lot happening.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have to because I was very, very engaged
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  Speaker 2: and I think I know what happened to Carmel.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to spoil Me.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: very much to Florian for commissioning this episode. I am
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  Speaker 2: here live on Patreon for the first time doing one
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  Speaker 2: of the spoil mes, so I am excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Florian, Michael, and Saraphim, who are in the chat.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all.
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  Speaker 2: I understand why Florine advised me to watch it twice,
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  Speaker 2: because I won't lie.
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  Speaker 1: I nearly missed it.
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  Speaker 2: I came really close to like not quite getting it,
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  Speaker 2: and it was so funny because it was like I
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  Speaker 2: watched this last night and I was like, Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: watch it again tomorrow before recording, and the only question
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  Speaker 2: and that I had was like, how did she get
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  Speaker 2: her devil fruit powers?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I remembered the weird
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  Speaker 2: like remains and I realized and I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, this is such a bizarre story, y'all. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's such a it's so strange because it's sort
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  Speaker 2: of like towing the line between a couple of different
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: like tropes of origins of villains, where you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you'll have this sort of psychological profile where it feels
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  Speaker 2: very much like the author is trying to say they
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  Speaker 2: had no choice but to become a villain because of
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  Speaker 2: the terrible things that happened to them in their past,
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  Speaker 2: which I always called bullshit on but you know.
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  Speaker 3: Or it'll be, oh, they were like born totally abnormal
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  Speaker 3: and under like never really had humanity in them at
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  Speaker 3: all or cared about anybody else, and they just didn't
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  Speaker 3: feel and so they couldn't really connect to people on
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  Speaker 3: that level, and therefore there was a sort of like
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  Speaker 3: disconnect with their humanity entirely. And what's going on with
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  Speaker 3: Mom's origin is a strange sort of combo of like
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  Speaker 3: terrible things happened to her, but also she's really fucked up,
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  Speaker 3: but also she does care and feel for people, but
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  Speaker 3: there are times where that's just like gone from who
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  Speaker 3: she is. And does she deserve forgiveness, does she deserve
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  Speaker 3: a second chance? And if if somebody like there's just
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of questions about how much control is there.
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  Speaker 2: For her or potential for control. If circumstances had been different,
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  Speaker 2: would she have potentially been in a position where she
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  Speaker 2: could have been less destructive or found a way through,
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  Speaker 2: or if they if she hadn't been adopted by a
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  Speaker 2: group of people that insisted on fasting for twelve days,
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  Speaker 2: which I will admit I think is frankly insane, but whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I like, there's a lot of tropes where it feels like,
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  Speaker 2: if X and Y had gone slightly differently, none of
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  Speaker 2: this probably would have even happened. But with Big Mom,
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  Speaker 2: it sort of feels like X and Y aren't really
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  Speaker 2: the problem. X and Y just revealed something that probably
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  Speaker 2: would have wound up being an issue in some other
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  Speaker 2: way eventually regardless, and it just brought it to the
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  Speaker 2: surface at that point. But it would have been surfacing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, no matter what anybody did, because this is
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  Speaker 2: just part of who she is. So it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a weird sort of combination of nature and nurture and
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  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of feelings of simply happenstance, and
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  Speaker 2: like this chick was just like born bad and not
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  Speaker 2: bad in the way that one thinks of when you
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  Speaker 2: think of that, like the good Son or something where
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  Speaker 2: you're just out here willing to wreck people's lives. It's
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  Speaker 2: like she just genuinely doesn't seem able to read what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with the people around her, and she cares
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  Speaker 2: about them on a certain level, but the things that
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  Speaker 2: would normally signal for us, hey this is like appropriate
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  Speaker 2: or inappropriate based on their reactions, it's not coming through
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  Speaker 2: for her.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's a real weird one, y'all. So Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of start at the beginning just talking
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  Speaker 2: about her flashback, because we sort of go back and
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  Speaker 2: forth a little between the flashbacks and what's happening in
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  Speaker 2: the present. But really what's happening in the present.
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  Speaker 1: Is almost nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do get the launching of these like rocket
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  Speaker 2: things at her, We see that she has crashed to
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  Speaker 2: her knees and that there is blood, so she has
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  Speaker 2: finally reached a point where she's genuinely vulnerable. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not the like this is something that happens right at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the third of these three episodes, and
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  Speaker 2: I expect we will have a lot more touching base
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  Speaker 2: on all that in the next section. So I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to pretty much entirely focus on her flashback storyline here.
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  Speaker 2: So we start off with her being brought to this
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  Speaker 2: island by her parents, and I'm not understanding how she's
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  Speaker 2: a giant when her parents aren't. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: there is a further story to this. It's very funny, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever we get the like flashbacks to people's histories, it
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  Speaker 2: really seems like for almost every buddy, their parents are
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  Speaker 2: not part of the equation in the main flashback, like
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  Speaker 2: you know flashbacks with Loofy, his parents aren't even around.
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  Speaker 1: They're not part of things.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's Shanks that he's hanging out with and taking
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  Speaker 2: his cues from and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: When we're with Zorro, you know.
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  Speaker 2: He has somehow like walked away from wherever he's originally
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  Speaker 2: from and just come to this village Oosup's dad, it's
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  Speaker 2: like his mother's around, but his dad is who knows
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  Speaker 2: where Nanny is adopted, But I would say she's got
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  Speaker 2: the most involved parent in her flashback storyline. And it's
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, eventually with Sanji, we get more
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  Speaker 2: about what's going on with his family, but it takes
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  Speaker 2: a long time for us to get there. And I
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  Speaker 2: am real curious what, like, if anything, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: find out further about where Zoro's from, or where Lufy's from,
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  Speaker 2: or even potentially Nanny's parents, if there's something further that,
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  Speaker 2: although I suspect not, but you know, I could definitely
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  Speaker 2: be wrong, So I just, uh, yeah, no, I know,
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  Speaker 2: Sarahram says Usup's dad is off being a dead beat
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  Speaker 2: dad pirate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I when I said he's like fuck knows where,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean like we don't know who he's with.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we literally don't know where because he's just
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  Speaker 2: like out on the high seas doing god knows what.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so the the flashback here, it's like technically, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we start off with her parents, but we don't really
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  Speaker 2: get anything about them besides them abandoning her here the
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  Speaker 2: way that they do, and Initially, what I kind of
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  Speaker 2: thought was happening because they they bring her with a
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  Speaker 2: backpack full of treats, and they tell her that her
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  Speaker 2: dad has some jobs to do and she's not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to come with them, but if she'll just wait here,
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  Speaker 2: she can eat all of the treats in her and
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  Speaker 2: they'll be back before she knows it. And there's a
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  Speaker 2: certain like hectic, hyper quality to the way her parents
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  Speaker 2: are trying to tell her to stay here.
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  Speaker 1: That was certainly setting off my alarm bells.
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  Speaker 2: But what I sort of thought was going to be
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  Speaker 2: revealed was that maybe she ate so much that it
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  Speaker 2: was impossible for them to even house her, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, that she was sort of this insatiable maniac,
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  Speaker 2: And like, that's certainly an aspect of what's going on
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  Speaker 2: with her, but it's not the only thing, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: I would argue, not even really the primary thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's one thing to say like she's eating us out
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  Speaker 2: a house and home and we can't afford to keep her,
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  Speaker 2: And it's another thing for it's like she's eating us
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  Speaker 2: out of house and home, and if we don't feed her,
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  Speaker 2: she turns into a destructive maniac with hyper strength and
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  Speaker 2: just know, like she goes into a fugue state where
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  Speaker 2: she has no memory of what she's done.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's just it's just different, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: So they leave her and we have this, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pretty awful sequence of her waiting for her parents and
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  Speaker 2: wondering where they are. And she's really very endearing in
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  Speaker 2: her weird way, you know. So you're watching her realizing
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  Speaker 2: that they're not coming back and wondering what the fuck.
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  Speaker 2: And then we sort of jump over to the island
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  Speaker 2: of El feb Where is that how you say it?
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  Speaker 2: Where she is taken.
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  Speaker 1: In El Bath. I got it backwards.
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  Speaker 2: And she I think I was thinking about wicked El Faba.
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  Speaker 2: So she we don't really see like how she gets
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  Speaker 2: over there to this place, but we do get to
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  Speaker 2: see the history of what went down with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of the giants and why a lot of people have difficulty.
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  Speaker 1: Trusting giants, and like the whole.
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  Speaker 2: Thing with Mother Carmel. So she is the saint like
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  Speaker 2: figure initially that is eventually revealed to be no good,
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  Speaker 2: which is pretty great. I didn't see it coming.
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  Speaker 1: I really should have, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: It was a fun reveal that one caught me genuinely
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  Speaker 2: off guard. For a moment, I thought it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be okay. She's just gotten sick of this work
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  Speaker 2: and is turning the corner because she wants out and
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  Speaker 2: this bitch is proving to be too much for her.
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  Speaker 2: But no, it turns out she's just been doing this
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  Speaker 2: the whole time. So we see the giants who you know,
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  Speaker 2: begin to go out and you know, rape and pillage essentially,
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  Speaker 2: and actually the last of them are set to be executed.
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  Speaker 1: And Mother Carmela is the one who.
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  Speaker 2: Steps up and is like, if we execute them, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be starting this cycle. Let's forgive them and
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  Speaker 2: let's you know, leave them to me. I will take
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  Speaker 2: them under my wing and ensure that they don't get
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  Speaker 2: into any further trouble. And this results in her establishing
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  Speaker 2: this community essentially, and giants are definitely a part of it,
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  Speaker 2: but as we see later, it's also an orphanage for
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  Speaker 2: regular children as well, and somehow Lulu finds her way there. Linlan,
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  Speaker 2: I keep wanting to say, Lulu, I've been doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And the kids aren't as afraid of her as they
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  Speaker 2: might otherwise be because they are exposed to giants regularly,
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  Speaker 2: so they react fairly well, you know, they're just like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: she'd big, but it's not like running and screaming. But
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  Speaker 2: then we begin to see the way that she's like
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  Speaker 2: engaging with people is alarming. The first instance of this
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  Speaker 2: is there are like a couple of wild animals, a
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  Speaker 2: bear and a wolf, and she sees them like fighting
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  Speaker 2: and decides that I'll put them in a cage together
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  Speaker 2: because fighting is bad and if they're forced together that
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  Speaker 2: they will figure out a way to coexist, which is
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  Speaker 2: honestly like in the spirit of what it seems, Aunt Carmelo,
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  Speaker 2: Mother Carmel is like preaching, but is just a very
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  Speaker 2: wrong headed approach to that. And when she comes back
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  Speaker 2: and looks in the cage, the bear is still alive
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  Speaker 2: and has killed the wolf. She gets upset at the
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  Speaker 2: bear and slaps him to try and teach him that
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  Speaker 2: doing that is wrong, ironically killing the bear in a
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  Speaker 2: single blow, which when Carmel sees that, she is just like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit, one hit, that's all it took. And in
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  Speaker 2: retrospect you can see this is where the gears really
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  Speaker 2: start turning for her. So she's just like starting to
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, damn, this is this might be something actually,
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  Speaker 2: And then we get a sequence of incidents where Carmel
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  Speaker 2: keeps coming across a crying child who has been caught
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  Speaker 2: up in the grip of lin Ln, and Linln is
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  Speaker 2: claiming that she is trying to help. First, it's like
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  Speaker 2: a long arm kid and she's like, oh, he has
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  Speaker 2: a second elbow and I'm trying to straighten his arm out.
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  Speaker 2: The other kid is h he's a fish man and
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  Speaker 2: so he's got fins, and she's like, I thought i'd
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  Speaker 2: help him by ripping them off, and there's like a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of It just feels very bizarre because again it's
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  Speaker 2: Carmel keeps saying but she means well, And when you
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  Speaker 2: have the context later of her being potentially able to
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  Speaker 2: profit off of this maniac child, then her continuing to
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  Speaker 2: give lynn Lynn passes makes a little bit more sense.
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  Speaker 2: But initially I was like, I don't know if she
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  Speaker 2: does mean well, because that person was crying and screaming
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  Speaker 2: for her to stop, and she was ignoring them. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is really one of those things where
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  Speaker 2: it's like you can say that she means well and
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  Speaker 2: maybe in her own bizarre way, that's true, but she
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  Speaker 2: is so utterly self absorbed that she isn't even considering
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  Speaker 2: the effect that she's having on the person that she's
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  Speaker 2: allegedly trying to help. And the fact that that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: connect for her. That they are screaming and crying and
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  Speaker 2: trying desperately to get away from her, to me is
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  Speaker 2: an indicator. Okay, something's deeply wrong, and it is a
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  Speaker 2: matter of time before she does something that she won't
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  Speaker 2: be able to take back, which does eventually happen and
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  Speaker 2: then eventually happens again. So Luserafem says her parents dropped
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  Speaker 2: her off on the shores of Elbeth because they knew
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  Speaker 2: about Mother Carmel. At least they cared enough to drop
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  Speaker 2: her off in an orphan and they just didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to go all the way to town because they were
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  Speaker 2: scared of the giants.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they explicitly knew.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's better than just dropping her off
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  Speaker 2: on a fucking desserted island.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, uh, I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: Florian says she is five here, by the way, when
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  Speaker 2: she put the wolf in the bear into the cage together.
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  Speaker 2: So pretty soon we and you know, like again as
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  Speaker 2: we're leading into all of these things. We keep getting
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  Speaker 2: her like bizarre and increasingly upsetting behavior, punctuated with these
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  Speaker 2: little scenes of her going absolutely fucking ham on food
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  Speaker 2: of any kind but mostly sweets, and just her housing
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  Speaker 2: whatever is put in front of her. And so when
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  Speaker 2: we reach the point that we are told about this
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  Speaker 2: winter solstice fast that's going to happen, it is clear
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  Speaker 2: to me this is going to be the origin of
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  Speaker 2: some pretty big problems. The way it's described is not
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  Speaker 2: like Ramadan, where you fast from sun up to sunset.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like you are straight up fasting through twelve days,
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  Speaker 2: all day, every one of those twelve days, which I
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  Speaker 2: just think can't be good for you.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like that's you know, sun up to sunset reasonable.
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  Speaker 2: I would still hate it, but I could see that's
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  Speaker 2: being manageable. And depending on the time of year, the
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  Speaker 2: day is quite short, and so perhaps it would even
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  Speaker 2: like wind up being not that long. But U just
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  Speaker 2: fasting for twelve days straight is really rough. And in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, every single child that is smiling here that
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  Speaker 2: is a lie, because you know, it's meant to be
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  Speaker 2: that they're all sort of struggling, But mother Carmel's is
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  Speaker 2: making them feel encouraged with her speeches and how important
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  Speaker 2: it is, and so the kids sort of buck up
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  Speaker 2: and smile and continue to bear it gracefully.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm so sorry. There is just no way.
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  Speaker 1: And also everybody is like still like up and walking
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  Speaker 1: around and doing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Just I just don't see it. I feel like this
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  Speaker 2: is too much. So anyway, we eventually, like before this
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  Speaker 2: hole fast even begins, there is this baked good that's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: like a pastry filled with marzipan and top the powdered
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: sugar that I think is called selva selma, and they
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  Speaker 2: make a bunch of it to sort of fortify before
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  Speaker 2: they begin the fast. Oh saraham sai as sem la,
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  Speaker 2: thank you Sarah fam. And it seems that it's either
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  Speaker 2: there aren't lots of sweets around and so this becomes
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  Speaker 2: like something special in it, like because they're not treated
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  Speaker 2: super often. This becomes a sort of obsession for Linlen
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  Speaker 2: or it could be that this is in particular one
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  Speaker 2: of the best things that she's ever had, and so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so I'm gonna read this from Google. Sem
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  Speaker 2: La plural is sem more a traditional Swedish sweet bun
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  Speaker 2: flavored with cardamom, cut open and filled generously with almond
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  Speaker 2: paste and whipped cream, then topped with a lid and
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: powdered sugar. Typically enjoyed from Christmas through Lent, especially on
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  Speaker 2: Fat Tuesday, as a rich seasonal treat, some times served
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  Speaker 2: in hot milk. That sounds fucking delicious.
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  Speaker 1: I love carda mom. It's something that's like I always
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  Speaker 1: get a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit shy of because it's a really strong flavor and
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  Speaker 2: if it's not used right, it can be almost medicinal.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's done well, oh baby, it is fucking good.
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  Speaker 2: So now I guess I'm gonna have to make semlhah.
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  Speaker 2: A foodie is work is never done. So she goes
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  Speaker 2: way too hard and is eating more than her fair share,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody has to kind of hold her back because
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  Speaker 2: she's just, you know, taking what is meant for everybody
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  Speaker 2: and able to put it all away herself.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing.
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  Speaker 2: Here, guys, because, like and I've said this before, with
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  Speaker 2: the way the Big Mom works, it would be very
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  Speaker 2: easy to dismiss what's going on with her as simply
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  Speaker 2: a series of like fat jokes about greedy fat kid
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  Speaker 2: wants too much sweets whatever. But it's like a taken
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  Speaker 2: to a level that it doesn't really feel like that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So every now and then when I'm watching this, I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting these twinges of sort of discomfort, like, ah, geez,
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  Speaker 2: the fat kid's eating everything. Okay, I get it, And
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  Speaker 2: then I'm sort of like, Eh, that's not it. Though,
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  Speaker 2: that's not it, you know, it's like not not it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it's a factor. But her being a giant as well,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, adds a sort of caveat to the.
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  Speaker 1: Whole thing where it's like she's also.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Just bigger than the normal person, you know, like bigger
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: in the sense not about weight, but about her actual
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: whole body is taller and wider, and probably she just
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: needs more food and also is fat. But it's a uh, like,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: we haven't really seen that many giant women, and the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: ones we've seen, I'm pretty sure have all been kind
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of shaped like her. There's been like maybe one or
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: two exceptions where they had like real figures, I feel
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: like on BoA's Island, but mostly it's been I feel
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: like the esthetic has been like if you are a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: giant woman, you're also built like a refrigerator. Saraphim says, yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it's made pretty clear. This isn't just lol, she's fat
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and eats a lot. It's that she has some kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of legit major eating disorder exactly. So they start their
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: fast and she makes it I think six days, which honestly,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I think is very respectable, and then she really loses
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: it and it's like she wants more. Semla specifically is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: what she's asking for, and it is a rampage similar
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to the one that we have already seen where she
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: wants a cro kumbouge, and that's the specific thing that
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: she wants. And if you try and you know, bring
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: her down with anything other than the specific item she's requesting,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it's gonna do fuck all. So she goes to the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: village looking for Semla, and she we like kind of
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: cut away from her heading over there and her eyes
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: going that weird sort of white, and we then see
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Mother Carmel being woken up and summoned because the whole
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: village is burning, and evidently it was linnln who did
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: all of this in her desperate search for Semla. And uh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: it's very funny because she keeps saying that she wants semla,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and nobody ever actually thinks to just give her the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: semla to calm her down.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It's not until Mother Carmel is like, well.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Then get her some that they're like, oh okay, And
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, really, guys, I know that, Like, I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: not trying to blame the victim here she's being a maniac,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: but she's literally saying what it is that she's after,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and it turns out you have it. You couldn't just
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: like cut her off at the pass, all right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So this is also a.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Point where Mother Carmel she brings that son to life
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that we see Prometheus. I believe that is like still
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: with with Big Mom to this day. I think it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the same, is it unless Big Mom brings another one
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to life?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But I don't fully.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Understand the she's pulling the flames up and turning them
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: into this sun to stop the fire, right, that's what's happening.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And so this is the first reveal that she has
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this ability, which I thought was really surprising because I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: not to say that, like the ability is no doubt useful,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: but we just don't see her actually putting it to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: use very much. And I wonder why that is, Seraphim says, no,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: this is a different son named Pandora. Oh that's right,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I forgot. She calls it Pandora, And yeah, she's using
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: her soulso fruit to bring the flames to life and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: thus make them controllable by her. Okay, And yeah, like
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I said, she tells them, well, why don't you just
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: get her some semla. But as those people are rushing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to try and get this, here comes the chieftain of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the giants, and he very reasonably, I must admit, basically,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: is like this bitch is out of control. She's not okay,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and if we don't kill her ass right now, she
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: is just going to be a.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Curse for all of us.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Like going forward, there is no way if she is
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: so out of control of her own actions that we
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: are going to be able to stop her as she
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: gets older. We got to take care of this. And
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but like Bro's got a point.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And again you have this wily old Carmel acting like
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: she's just so good hearted that she wants to keep
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Lynnln alive out of the compassion and goodness of her heart,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the belief that we all do deserve a second chance,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she's just a child.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But then later on you.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Find out that she can sell and Lynn for like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a way higher price than anybody she's trafficked before, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: so this whole argument like is quite hollow in retrospect.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So she convinced, she like manages to uh like get
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: this guy to slow his attack, but in the end,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it's like he's gonna just go ahead and do it anyway.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And the way that the.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: First episode ends is him lifting his sword and her
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Linlan looking up at the sword with her crazy white eyes,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: seeming to not comprehend what's about to happen at all.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And then when the next episode begins, he swings down
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: at her, and she puts up a hand and she
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: just breaks the blade of his sword in half, which
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how she's able to do that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: exactly it's meant to be. I believe simply that she
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: has got a bonker's strength that is nigh indestructible by nature.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I thought, because of what had happened earlier, that we
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: were going to find out there was something linked to
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the fruit that made her indestructible. But it seems like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: this is a whole separate deal that is like specifically
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: hers as a person, and that it's an odd side
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: effect to the.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Like fugue state. And I may be wrong, guys.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Is it that she is also indestructible when she is
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: not in the fugue state or I'm not clear on that,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: but uh, you know, obviously bro was not expecting her
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to be able to simply like shrug off this fucking blow,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and he is taken off guard and she kills him,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and understandably all of the giants are like, Okay, well
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: fuck this bitch. And again Carmel has to step in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and she's like, look, I'll take all the kids, including her,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and we will find another place to live. Just you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: let me have custody of her. We'll get out of
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: your hair. You won't have to deal with her anymore.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Just help us out with relocating, and then you'll never
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: see us again. So Sarah FM says she's super tough.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: General fan explanation is it's mostly her hockey making her
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: like that, and she loses control of it when she
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: goes into her fugue state. Ah, she loses control of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: her hockey in her fugue.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: State, which makes her indestructible or it's hard.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Look, when we say fugue state, I feel like kind
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of it seems like she's got two types of few
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: states where she's got the one when she's in the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: grips of a craving, and then there's the one when
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: she's upset regarding Carmel's photo, which it seems like that's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a different thing. Right, So when she is in the
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: one where she's got the craving, she's indestructible. But then
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the one where it's upset about Carmel is when she's vulnerable.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Let's see Sarah Fim says, which state, Yeah, her berserker
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: food craving. She just goes all out that upset one
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: where she shows down, Okay, yeah, Florien says, yeah, they're
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: too You got it. This pitsion needs to get out
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of these FuG states. We got to get her onto
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: mood stabilizers. That's what she needs. She needs like an antipsychotic,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: some sort of mood stabilizer. Probably I'm on via Ance,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: which is meant to be a little bit of like
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a food obsession.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Dampener.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: It's really not specifically meant for that, but it is
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: a side effect because it's supposed to help you focus on,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: like calm your background thoughts and thus make that like
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: food obsessive thing simmered down quite a bit, and I
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: have had a pretty positive experience on it so far.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It has done that for me.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not obsessing about food the way that I had
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: been at one point. So yeah, I feel like that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: would probably be a good combo for her.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So she.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Comes out of this state the next morning and they
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: have buried the chieftain and she's like, oh my god,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: he's dead.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: That's so sad. What happened.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: She doesn't remember having done this. And again I just
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: want to point out she's like saying that's so sad
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and seems genuinely upset. So she's not a psychopath that
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: has no feeling for others. It's simply like it's a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: tap that turns on and off, and she just turns.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: From a.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Like it's not even like she turns from a kid
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: who's like normal, because.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: She's not normal either.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: You know, we see her tormenting these other kids and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: not understanding that that's what she's doing. But it's not
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: as simple as that she has no feeling for other humans.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: She does, and that's what's so awful. Is like she
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: cares a lot, but she just is so bad at understanding,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and it's like, I want somebody to sit her down
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, look, clearly you're not understanding the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: cues that indicate somebody is hurting or scared. So I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: going to explain it to you, and that way, next
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: time somebody begins to react this way, you will realize
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and pull back before you do any damage.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This is the difficult thing because.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: With a character like this, where she has behaviors that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: are clearly out of control today, what we would do
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: is try and figure out where that disconnect is happening
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: between what she claims she cares about and what she's
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: actually doing, and approach her at a level that she
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: could understand, where we're encouraging her to lean into the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: thing that she says she cares about with new information
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and a different perspective. This would be a sort of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: gentle parenting type of approach, right, But we don't have
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: that here. Despite the fact that Mother Carmel does sort
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of give gentle parenting vibes, she's not.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Really communic hating with Lynlin at all.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: She just yells no, don't do that that's what his
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: arms are naturally, Like, don't do that, that's the fins
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: are something that he has naturally. She's like reacting rather
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: than sitting down with Linlin and figuring out, okay, why
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: did you think this was okay when he was reacting.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: The way he was.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And this failure to communicate continues when it comes to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the chieftain, because nobody tells her the truth about what
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: happened to him, and I understand in a way, being
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: like what would be the point she would be so
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: upset by it and she didn't know what she was doing,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and she clearly doesn't remember.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I still think.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Explaining to her, Hey, look, I know that you don't remember,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: and we're not holding you responsible the way that we
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: would normally, but you need to know this is what happened,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: and we all saw it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: We're not fucking with you.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You went completely berserk, and then kind of walk through
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: with her like we have got to figure out a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: way to manage whatever's going on with you, you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if there is a real solution there.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I genuinely don't because later what happens happens when she's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: very happy, so it doesn't seem like it would matter.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But I did stop and think here about like, maybe
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: they should have told her, Maybe there would have been
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: some way. You know, it's also possible if they told
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: her that it would trigger another friggin few state that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: she would completely flip out. You know, I don't know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. So then me have this little sequence
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of the giants going to this other area and building
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: another house and it's like a new orphanage and Carmel
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and all the kids are there and they are celebrating
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Lynn Lynn's birthday. Now this was confusing for me. I'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: explain once I know, once I have put two and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: two together later about what I think actually happened here.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That was when I was like, oh, okay, so that's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the reason for the tone of that scene. But when
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I was watching it, I really started to be like, are.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: They poisoning her?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Is there something going on where the kids are in
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: on this? And I should take a sidebar to just
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: talk about the reveal of mother Carmel being in on
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this like child trafficking ring, because it's not that she's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: just like selling these kids to just anybody. She's not
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: true trying to give them to people who want slaves.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: It's that she's looking for valuable fighters and spies that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: she can sell to the government specifically. And the the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: fact that they are like looking for kids in this
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: sort of way makes a lot of sense. You know.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: This is part of the way that like gang psychology
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: works as well. You have nobody, and you don't have prospects,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: or you feel like you don't, and there is a
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: group out there that promises to provide to have your
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: back no matter what, and all you got to do
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: is like the jobs they tell you, and to be
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: loyal under pressure, and they will be your family. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: if you've got a whole bunch of orphans who are
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: super loyal to like one person who has cared for them,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and that one person is telling them, Okay, so here's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: this new gig and this is what you're gonna go do,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I could see it not even needing to be like
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: about selling and these kids being made to do things
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: against their will. I could see it as like her
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: framing I've found you an opportunity, not letting the kid
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: know that she gets any money out of it at all,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and the kid out of like gratitude for everything that
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Carmel has done for them, agreeing to take this responsibility
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: or mission on because they believe it's the right thing
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to do to pay Carmel back somehow, just being so
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: unaware of that this is an actual business for her
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that she's making money off of. You know, Sarah says,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this is also the backstory for almost all the CP
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: nine members.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: They were orphans who the government raised to be loyal
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: super soldiers.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, this is like it makes a lot
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: of sense that this all functions this way, and her
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: deciding to take the tact that she does with the giants,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: It was a long con trying to get into this,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like potentially this position where she was going to be
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: able to get them giants to work for them as well,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: which we do get the like that voiceover narrator guy
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: explaining to us the connection between the you know what
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: she was up to and this whole like trafficking thing
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and the guys that were guarding en is lobby, the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: guys who were in that you know forever battle on
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: those other two islands.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I can't remember their names, but yeah, so.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: She like makes this agreement, Okay, well, I want to
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: sell her for top fucking dollar. At first, dude she's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: negotiating with is just like that is way too much,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and she's like, the fuck it is.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You haven't seen what she can do.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: And she doesn't like it's fun the way that it's written,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: because she stops calling Linlan her, she stops referring to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: her with any sort of pronoun to indicate that she's
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a person, and says something like, you haven't seen a
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: product this resilient ever before, and you know, basically like
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of lowballing. If you knew everything, I would
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: be able to ask for more, but I know that
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: you aren't going to get some.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Of what you know. It'll have to be seen to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: be believed, essentially.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So they come to this agreement, and uh, you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of waiting for that trap to spring. So
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: we had that scene and then we have everybody moving
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to this new location and I'm on my guard because
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I know that Mother Carmel has this plan. And that
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: was why the weird vibe of the birthday started to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: make me wonder, are is she being like drugged or
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: something so that if she passes out, we can sell
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: her with no trouble and she'll wake up somewhere else entirely,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and the whole scene it's very much like the kids
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: are all so excitedly telling her we made this thing
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: for you. It's like a crocuam bush made of semola because.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: We know you love it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And they made the semlas like extra giant as well,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: because the ones that she had been eating were the
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: size of it looked almost like like little like biscuits
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that you would get with chicken, you know, like a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Popeye's biscuit. But the ones on this crokham boush in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Linln's hand, they look proportional, but they're the size of
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the kid's heads pretty much. And they're all just so
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: intense about like, oh yay, we're so glad you liked
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: what we made for you. Up there's plenty, and it
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just felt like these children are up to something.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: This is so weird. But as it turns out, the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: kids aren't up to anything. Oda's up to something.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: This is just him really wanting to fucking twist the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: knife and make it clear. These kids had forgiven her.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: They are trying to make her birthday nice. They are
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: just pleased that she's enjoying herself. It's that simple, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the vibe that I was getting is because something bad
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: is about to happen from Linlin not to Lynnlin, which
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: was very very unexpected. And the way you guys it
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: just like again, I for a moment was just like
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand what happened here. So she
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: goes into this like really happy, excited state as she's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: eating these delicious treats and as everybody is telling her
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: how much they care about her, how happy they are
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: that they're going to do this every year, and she's
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: feeling so overwhelmed with love and contentment that she gets
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: teary eyed, and she's like obviously turning another corner into
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: a different fugue state. We've unlocked a third one, it
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: seems like, which is she's too happy. It's kind of
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: funny because this is sort of reminding me of just
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like blood sugar. You know, if you spike your blood
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: sugar too high, you get hyper, but if you let
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: it drop too low, you can pass out. And it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like we have to navigate that with Big Mom as
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: if she's got diabetes, but that diabetes rather than like
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: making her be hyper.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Or pass out or whatever it causes that to.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: All the people around her instead, which is a real
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: interesting you know, it's like reverse diabetes. So she goes
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: into this state and like kind of comes out of
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it and everybody's gone. And initially I'm like, so she
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: was drugged, and now she's waking up having been drugged,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and she's looking around and she doesn't know where anybody is.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And there are some odd bits of detritus I guess
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I want to say around that are not quite jiving
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: with my assumption that she's going to be drugged and sold.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like there's something else happening here, And
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I like, I'm also confused as this whole thing is
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: playing out. Knowing that Carmel has the power that eventually
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: she ends up with, I am like, wait, how does
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that get transferred to her?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: How would that even work?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I should have I should have realized, but I fucking didn't,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you guys. So the heart eyes here, because the eyes
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that she gets when she's like hungry and wants a thing,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: it's almost.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Like white stars.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And then this fugue state where she's happy, it's heart
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: eyes and she's eating and it's sort of like she's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: grabbing things at random and I as I'm watching this,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: backing up and looking at her at this table, the
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: camera sort of pans out and she's alone. She's sitting
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: at this table that was a second ago, surrounded by children, alone,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: and we've got her eating and the sounds of laughter
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and hearts floating around with the smiling, laughing faces of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: each of the kids, and I think that maybe they
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: were screaming. I think there's something about her that she
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't like even feel the energy of or hear the people.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: It's like she just is completely in a dilusional state,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I think. And let's see, you're so cute, sweetie pie,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and she says thanks mother as she stuffs another one
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: of these into her mouth. And I think when she
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: did that, she was speaking to Carmel, who was what
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: she was actually holding in that moment.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I think that was not a Semla. I think that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: was Carmel. And she's just like something something happened. Man,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: She's not okay. She is not okay.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: And then you see all of those hearts like floating
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: away into the sky, and the narrator says, what a
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: truly wonderful birthday, and then you see her I ate
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: so much. I even took a bite out of the table,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: which is again we would call that a clue, but
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I wasn't getting it. I wasn't quite getting it. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: was just, I think, inside unwilling and like you, when
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the camera pulls back, she didn't just take a bite
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: out of the table. That table's fucking gone, dude, table's missing.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: There are some stumps. That's it. It's not even like
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: because the way she says it, it should look like
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: a cookie with a bite taken out of it. No, no, no,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it's just fucking gone. And we see one of Carmel's
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: like shawls on the ground. And again at this point,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: for a minute, I was sort of like, did she
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: pass out and they just like ran away or was
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: she acting so scary that they left because she like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: did they build this house intending to abandon her here?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: And they just had this like little gathering to drug her,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: drop her off and feel better that they're abandoning her
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: with a roof over her head, you know, so that
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: it's like not as terrible and she's older now and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: maybe she can take care of herself, like and she
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: looks over in the trees and for a second, the
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: orphans are peeking out from behind them, so like again
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: right there, I had a moment of like, oh, so
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: there they are alive, like.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Or they are still here.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: They didn't abandon her, but then they like vanish, they evaporate.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It's really weird, you know, I'm like not fucking figuring
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: this out, man. And she goes like looking through the
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: woods for them and obviously doesn't find anybody, and then
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: gets approached by this weird character.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And uh, this.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Dude, he looks like an evil oos up is actually
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the way that I kept thinking about him, and this
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: is a This is like a guy who sees the
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: potential in this bonker's chick.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: His name is Trusan, and uh is.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Like, all right, well, I'm going to let her be
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: one of my fucking sidekicks because she is terrifying and
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I think I could really get something out of it.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And indeed, we then see him going on these fucking
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: rampages around and using her as the tool, and it's like,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: it's like it's such a weird thing to watch because weirdly,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like big Mom, I hesitate to call her that because
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: she hasn't quite gotten there yet.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: She still didn't lin really, but it's like you're watching
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: her lean into.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: The worst parts of herself and be accepted and celebrated
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: for that in a very particular way that I understand
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: why that would be gratifying, but is also like really unhealthy.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: And this dude who is just letting her take all
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the heat while he loots everything in the background. So
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: there's like a few times where we see him and
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: he's got sparkles all around him because he's carrying.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So much treasure.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: And she is telling everybody that she wants a certain
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: type of food and folks are like, we're not doing that,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and she's like, well, you can either do that or
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: you can die, Like are you going to obey or not?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And as she says obey, a light comes into her eyes.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And it's not the same as the fugue state thing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: This is clearly power trip. This is a different thing.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: And it's just illustrating to us that she has begun
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to like this part of the job that she has
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: been put to by this dude, that the fact.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That she is.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Able to get exactly what she wants through fear suits
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: her just fine. She doesn't feel bad about making people
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: feel afraid. She never did before. Why would she now,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you know, she just wants what she wants and the
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: actual consequences of that are not her business. It seems
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like she doesn't think it is anyway. So when we
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: come back to the present, she's like yelling about where
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: did mother Carmel go?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if we.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Ever are going to get for sure that this is
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: what happened. I mean, it's pretty much a guarantee in
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: my book. I'm not really doubting my suspicion here, but
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if like Big Mom is ever going to
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: know for certain that's what happened. And oh sorry, Florian says. Also,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the narrator tells us that one giant witnessed everything and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: informed the others. This is another reason why the giants
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: dislike Big Mom explains why she has Caesar and why
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: she hates Lola slash Chiffon. Right, I forgot about that,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: like and the thing with Caesar. It's so funny, guys,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: because like, I really went back and forth about it,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: wanting her wanting to turn people into giants, And at
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the first time that we saw her fantasizing about turning
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: people into giants, I did just immediately go, oh, I
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: think she's lonely and she just wants a tea party
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: where everybody is the same size as her. And then
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: later on some other things happen and I'm like, oh,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: maybe that's not what it's about. But it seems now
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: we've turned a corner and like, no, we're back to that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: That is what it's about.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: And maybe there are other advantages that you can you know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: turning people into giants might be militarily handy or whatever,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: But in reality, what it boils down to is her
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: trying to recapture this one bright, happy moment in her
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: life that she doesn't know was like one of the
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: most hideous massacres that you can imagine, which is so
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: awful that she's chasing a dragon without realizing if she
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: were to reach that state again, she'd probably kill everybody
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: and have no idea. Sarahim says, it's two different things.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Wanting sester to enlarge people is her wanting everyone to
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: be equal instead around the tea table, her wanting to
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: get the giants on her side, is wanting the power
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: that would give her That's okay, yeah, that's fair. Yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So it is, like I said, by the time these
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: three episodes are up. You know, we've launched these rockets
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: at her, and we're going to have to see how
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: all of this lines up shaking out. But she's got
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: people around her, one of whom is older version of
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Evil Oosop. She is clearly no longer under his control
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: at all anymore, and he is attempting to warn her
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: because he can see that she is vulnerable and that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Beggie is gearing up to shoot at her. But this
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: lady is not home. Lights are on.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a really awful, sad story. And if
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: she were to find out that she had killed mother Carmel,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I genuinely do not know what would happen. I genuinely
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: don't know if she was given some sort of irrefutable evidence,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know what would satisfy her on
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that front. Would she be able to overcome that and
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: remain who she is? Would that cause a complete breakdown,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: and would she wind up murdering the entire island in
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: some sort of other fugue state of grief and guilt?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Would she refuse utterly to believe it and simply kill
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the messenger that feels like the most likely or would
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: she be so overcome with guilt that she doesn't even
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: like enter a fugue state, but just decides to kill
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: herself or something, you know, which I don't even know
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: how she could, because it seems like when she's in
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: a certain state, she's basically.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Impossible to hurt. Can she hurt herself? Is that even
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a thing? I don't know?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I am really curious because this one
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: giant that witness everything, like evidently they reported back to
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: their own people, but they did not like that news
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have circled around to everybodybody else because
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the picture of Carmel, it doesn't feel as if folks
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: have the context of who Carmel really was or understand
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Big Mom's history. Like I think it's a secret still somehow,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's just the giants who are aware. But
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I just really want to know how those two regular
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: assu human people wound up having a daughter like this,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: because it just feels.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Unlikely, you know. It feels like she must.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Have been adopted by them too, from somebody else, and
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: after seeing the way that this all went down, I
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: can't help but understand them abandoning her because God knows
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: what they had already gone through to get to this place.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: And I do think about this as like a person
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: who is childless for a variety of reasons. One of
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the reasons that that has always been on my mind
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: is what if you've got a kid that something like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: this is really wrong with them? And I don't mean
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: like they have some sort of physical disability or they
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: are mentally.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Disabled in some way.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: I am talking about what if there is a kid
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: who is displaying psychopathic tendencies, who is weirdly devoid of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: emotion or empathy, or exhibiting signs of being like sadistic somehow,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: and you slowly begin to piece together that they are
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: hurting animals, hurting other students in their classes, maybe even
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: like potentially going to hurt you. What do you do
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: if that begins to come to your attention. I genuinely
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: don't know. And I have to assume that there are
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: parents out there who have gone through this and handled
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: it in a variety of ways, and some of them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: probably did abandon their kids. There may be parents who
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: even killed their own kids because they realize, like, oh shit,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: this this kid is like gonna rea ha havoc. If
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I don't do something, or I'm sure a lot of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: parents who ignore it and pretend that they don't see
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: it and let their kid do awful stuff and simply
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: go whistling staring off into a different direction.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: It's uh.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I don't know how you fucking cope.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I do believe that nurture has a huge influence, but
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I think nature is like people are born with certain
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: personalities innately, I do believe, And you can change details,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: but that's not really gonna change necessarily certain fundamentals. So
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: it's hard to blame her parents, you know. For all
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I know, she almost ate them and burned their house down.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Who the fuck knows.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: All Right, I've got to wrap, but this is a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: good section. Guy's very interested to why much more so
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: looking forward to it. I hope that you all are
• 1:02:04
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• 1:02:08
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• 1:02:12
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• 1:02:44
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