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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 1) (6/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Bill Gates transcript from
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  his meeting with Congress. Question we've already discussed mister Nikolch.
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  Doctor Nikolch, of course, introduced you to mister Epstein. So
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  in your words, can you characterize doctor nikolch relationship with
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  mister Epstein, or at least your understanding of their relationship. Answer? Well,
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  during the time I knew Epstein, I thought it was
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  just he had met him before I had, and he
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  was kind of organizing the visits that took place. In
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  Looking at the email documents that came out in January,
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  to my surprise, I now see that he had quite
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  an extensive relationship with mister Epstein. So I was not
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  aware of all of that during the time that I
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  met with mister Epstein in twenty eleven to twenty fourteen. Question,
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  are you aware that doctor Nikolch was ultimately named in
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  one of mister Epstein's final will and testaments? Answer? I've
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  seen that in the press. Question So you learned about
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  that much later in the press? Answer? I hope it's
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  an accurate thing. I was a press report that mentioned it. Question,
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  but you have no first hand knowledge of that? Answer,
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  no question. Did that surprise you when you read it?
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  Answer A lot question by mister Spector. I'd like to
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  enter into the record majority Exhibit one, which is an
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  email that Epstein sent to doctor Nikolic on June sixteenth,
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  twenty thirteen. The BAITS number on this document is EFTA
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  zero zero eight seven three eight seven four. And just
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  for the record, all of the BAITS numbers that begin
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  with the FTA are documents that the Department of Justice
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  released pursuant to the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I'll give
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  you a second to look at it, but I will
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  note that I'll be reading much of or all of
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  it into the record, so you don't need to read
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  the entire thing. The first question is have you seen
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  these emails before? Answer? Sure, yeah, okay, I mean I
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  may have seen these when they came out in January,
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  but not before that question. So you don't recall ever
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  seeing these emails prior to the Epstein Files Transparency AAC
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  release by the DOJ. Answer, I did not question in
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  the first email. So the email at the bottom of
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  the page that's an email from mister Epstein. Context Clues
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  from the rest of the document indicate that that was
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  sent to Boris Nikolch, but of course that is redacted
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  on the document he sent to do Boris on Sunday,
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  June sixteenth, at twelve oh two. It reads to me
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  and then it looks like a draft of a statement
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  or an email that says Bill. I'm in tears as
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  I write this. I have barely slept for three days.
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  I'm devastated beyond words. I find myself losing my best
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  friend in my career, all in one day, by no
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  fault on my own. As your friend, I suggest you
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  carefully reconsider your alternatives. If Melinda decides to file for divorce,
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  I will of course stand by you and help any
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  way I can. I want to see you happy. Truly
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  difficult choices no matter what. As you know, I'm going
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  in for delicate surgery on my eyes on Tuesday. This
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  timing cannot be worse. I will totally be out of
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  it for a few days. I hope you're able to
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  convince Melinda to allow me to continue doing my job,
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  a job you described as I could not have done better.
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  I hope to ask her face to face to change
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  your mind. I have done nothing wrong. And the email continues,
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  but just for the record, there in twenty thirteen when
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  this email was sent, were you and your wife Melinda
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  considering divorce? Answer? No question. Why would mister Epstein or
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  doctor Nikolch be under the impression that you were? Answer well,
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  I never would have discussed anything relating to that subject
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  with mister Epstein. I told Boris doctor Nikolich sorry that
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  I shared the information about the two affairs, and he
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  may have thought, you know, that meant our marriage was
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  at risk. It was certainly a deeply troubling thing for
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  my wife, But at this time there was not a
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  discussion of a divorce question. It seems in this draft
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  that's written from doctor Nikolich's perspective that he may have
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  believed that Melinda was the one who wanted him to
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  leave the job. And I think you characterized it earlier
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  as kind of a back and forth discussion with your
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  then wife. Was it Melinda's discussion to ask doctor Nikolitch
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  to accelerate his departure or was it a mutual decision
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  between the two of you. Answer? It was a mutual decision.
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  I agreed with Melinda that having him leave pretty soon
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  was the best thing, and so that's what I did,
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  And that was a quicker departure then would have happened otherwise. Question.
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  I'll continue reading the draft email it continues. However, I
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  recognize the fact that it might not be possible at
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  this time. I also recognize that I will need a
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  lawyer to review any agreement we might enter into. But
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  I don't trust any with such sensitive information. I've asked
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  Jeffrey to oversee and negotiate for me, and have given
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  empower of attorney to act on my behalf. He also
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  needed to be my health proxy during my operation. I
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  have informed them of all the details surrounding our dilemma.
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  I trust them one hundred percent. My communication with him
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  is privileged. No worry. He's agreed to act as my
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  financial and legal representative. You can trust them. He's dealt
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  with very similar problems in the past. Obviously, he hasn't
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  given me the details. I would greatly appreciate you and
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  he talking directly. He does not know Larry and cannot
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  be open with him. He doesn't like or trust pr people.
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  This is a terrible circumstance in which we find ourselves.
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  But I'm confident of our friendship, and I know you
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  know how devoted I am to you, And I will
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  say I asked you if you've seen these emails before
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  the release, but I'll be more specific. Do you have
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  any email or any other type of message that's similar
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  to that draft I just read to you? Did you
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  receive something like that in twenty thirteen? Answer? Never? Never
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  anything close. Question. So doctor Nikolitch and mister Epstein are
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  communicating about something that they might send to you, but
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  it sounds like they didn't. Is that right? Answer? I
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  never received anything like that. Question. In the second email
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  in the middle that doctor Nikolch writes back to mister
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  Epstein at twelve twelve on June sixteenth, twenty thirteen, doctor
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  Nikolch seems to say, this is great. My only worry
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  is whether I should send him now or tell him
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  when I see him on Monday. He's still trying to
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  make it work with Melinda. He's having next round of
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  negotiation with her next weekend. If all fails, then it's
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  a negotiation for a next step. If I send it
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  right now, it reads that I accepted. It's all over. Finally,
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  I can't put something such as divorce in an email.
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  If she reads, she'll go the extra step to be
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  as nasty as possible. Also, I think that my chances
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  of convincing him to talk to you or hire if
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  I do it in person and not over the email.
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  So how about hold this? So how about you hold
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  this for eight days? Thank you? B It sounds like
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  mister Nikolich agrees with the perspective denoted in mister Epstein's
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  draft and that he would be more interested though, in
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  having the conversation with you face to face. Did he
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  have any sort of conversation with you face to face
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  during this time? Answer? But I've never seen this email,
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  so I mean you can ask me questions, but I
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  add no value questions, so I guess I'll be more specific.
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  I understand you've testified that you've not seen the email.
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  Did doctor Nikolitch approach you and communicate these same feelings
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  in person so not over email? Answer no question in
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  the draft email, again, understanding that you have not seen
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  it until much later. Doctor Nikolitch is implying that he
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  has entrusted Jeffrey Epstein with sensitive information, seemingly with relation
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  to you, and that he has given Epstein power of
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  attorney to act on his behalf that he will be
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  as financial and legal representative. So were you aware that
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  Jeffrey Epstein was going to be acting as a legal
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  or financial representative of doctor Nikolich? Answer? Welly, he wasn't
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  a lawyer, so I'm not sure how a non lawyer
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  becomes someone's legal representative. Eventually, doctor Nikolich did communicate to
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  me that he was involving Epstein in the discussion of
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  doctor Nikolich's exit. I forgot exactly, but he sent he
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  told me that he was involving Epstein. Question again, you
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  didn't receive this email, But it seems that they're trying
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  to get across to you. Is that, while you're correct
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  that Jeffrey Epstein was not in fact a lawyer, they
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  are representing him to have some sort of privileged communication
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  with doctor Nikolach, seemingly in a way that would make
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  it seem like sensitive information. The sensitive information that mister
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  Epstein knows about is privileged. Did you ever have a
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  conversation like that with doctor Nikolich? Answer? No, how could
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  it be privileged? Question I'm just as confused as you are,
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  But I guess what I'm asking is, did they represent
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  to you that it could be privileged? Answer? I told
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  you that in terms of a waywareness of the affairs
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  that I had. There were no explicit reference to that,
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  but there was some what you could call veiled reference
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  to it, in the form of, hey, we should all
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  want to be friends. It's only later when Epstein is
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  talking about his reimbursements to a specific woman that I
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  was aware of that. I became fully aware of that.
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  There was a point in the discussions with Boris where I,
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  you know, I said, I'm not going to be influenced
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  by what you might or might not know or say.
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  But again, this email is complete news to me. Question Okay,
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  the top of the email. I won't read the entire one,
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  but it seems to imply that you had already given
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  doctor Nikolch some kind of offer, probably related to his departure.
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  Had you already given doctor Nickolch some kind of exit
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  package or offer in June of twenty thirteen? Answer? Yeah,
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  there was a prior agreement about he ended up making
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  two investments on our mutual behalf. You know, I'd authorize
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  him to make three, but he made two, So there
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  was you know putting into writing how we would handle
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  his payment for his share of those and then just
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  the termination agreement. So that was all known before he
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  engaged Epstein in the exit discussions. Question. Okay, thank you.
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  I will now enter into the record majority exhibit two,
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  which is an email from mister Epstein to himself on
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  July eighteenth, twenty thirteen. This is Mark Bates number EFTA
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  zero one nine sixty six nine eight eight. And they'll
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  note for the record that there are a few similar
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  versions of these emails throughout the files. I think with
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  things being forwarded along, I'll be referencing this version and
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  asking you questions about it. Some of the other ones
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  are just cut off answer, I don't know what you
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  mean forward it along question. Within the Epstein files, there
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  are duplicates for various reasons, and I'm just referencing that.
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  I'm using this particular EFTA number for the record, and
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  while you're reviewing it, we've had more members and staff join.
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  Can they please identify themselves for the record, Mister Garcia
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  Robert Garcia, ranking member redacted, Representative Garcia, Congressman Raja Krishna
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  Morty from Illinois. Question, mister Gates. Have you seen this
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  email before? Answer? No, I mean I would have seen
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  it when it was released in January as part of
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  the Epstein files, but prior to that, no question. So
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  this appears to be a draft email or statement that
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  Epstein may have written he at least sent it to
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  himself from the perspective of doctor Nikolic. Is at fair answer?
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  I add no value to that question. Well, we can
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  agree that this is not the perspective of Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Is clearly written from the perspective of somebody else. Is
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  that fair answer? Are you asking me to speculate on
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  that question? So I'll read from the record. Then it
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  is again, sent Thursday, July eighteenth, twenty thirteen, at twelve
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  thirty nine from Jeffrey Epstein to himself. However, the email
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  reads quote, I've decided to resign my position, effective immediately
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  with BG three and Bill and Melinda Gate's foundation. I
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  have not come to this decision quickly or without great
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  deal of thought. During the past few weeks, I've been
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  caught up in a severe marital dispute between Melinda and Bill.
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  I'll stop reading there for a second, but given majority
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  Exhibit one, which we were just discussing and the fact
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  that mister Epstein and doctor Nikolch were clearly discussing a
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  marital dispute of some kind between you and Milinda. Is
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  it fair to say that this email that was intended
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  to have been sent by doctor Nikolich. Answer? I don't know.
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  It was never sent by doctor Nikolch. That's all I
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  can bring to this question. Sure I can continue reading.
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  I have the greatest respect for my friend of seven years,
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  and I wish them both well. In my role as
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  the right hand, I've been asked on multiple occasions and
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  in hindsight wrongly acquiesced into participating in things that of
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  range from the morally inappropriate to the ethically unsound, and
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  had been repeatedly asked to do other things that get
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  near and potentially over the line into the illegal. Though
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  it was kindly suggested that I make a transition to
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  a new position after my six years of service, and
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  that Bill would, in his own words, give me a
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  generous package, I feel it would be dishonest to myself
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  and my future from helping Bill to get drugs in
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  order to deal with consequences of sex with Russian girls,
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  to facilitating his illicit trysts with married women, to being
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  asked to provide adderall for bridge tournaments. I feel I
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  owe it to my friends and future colleagues to admit
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  a moral failure, to ask forgiveness, and to move on
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  with life. So again, I understand you did not receive
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  this email. So I'll just begin to discuss the facts
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  in that email. I've already asked you this. I asked
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  you if you had considered a divorce with Melinda in
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  twenty thirteen. I'll ask it a different way. Were you
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  having a marital dispute of some kind with your wife Melinda?
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  French Gates answer, Well, certainly the fact that I told
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  Milinda during this timeframe about the two affairs that was
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  very distressing to her. But at the same time, there
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  was no explicit mention of getting divorced. It may have
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  occurred to Melinda at that point, but it was not
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  a subject to discussion. Question, But you were having a
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  maritald dispute at the time. Is that fair answer? I
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  wouldn't call it a marital dispute. You could say that
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  it was a marital crisis because she became aware of
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  bad behavior on my part. Question, sure, was this dispute
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  that is referenced in this email. Or how about this
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  the discussion you had with Melinda at the time about
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  your infidelity. Were those ultimately relevant to your divorce in
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  twenty twenty one? Answer? You would have to ask her,
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  but I imagined that they were. Question how did doctor
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  nikolic know of you're a marital of your dispute with Milinda? Answer?
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  I never discussed the topic with him. I did tell
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  him she was aware of the affairs and that I
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  shared with her that there were also other affairs. Question
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  when did you tell Melinda about the affairs? Answer That
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  would have been in the spring of twenty thirteen. Question
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  and when did you tell doctor Nikolch that you told
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  Melinda about the affairs? Answer around the same time question
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  shortly thereafter? Answer right, and you know that was part
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  of my telling them that his employment was not going
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  to continue. Question. So it's possible then that doctor Nickolitch,
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  while you didn't tell him that you were that you
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  didn't say you were considering a divorce, as you said
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  you weren't. But it's possible that doctor Nickoluch read into
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  what you were telling him to believe that Melinda was
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  the reason he was being let go. And that he
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  needed to fix things with you. Is that fair? Answer? Well,
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  it's not clear to me that doctor Nikolitch ever saw
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  the emails. But you know, doctor Nickolitch may have inferred
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  from the fact that I said that I, you know,
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  discuss the affairs, he may have speculated about what was
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  doing in terms of my marriage. Question. Do you have
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  any other suggestion of how Jeffrey Epstein would know about
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  your affairs or other details in this email except through
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  doctor Nikolach Answer? I believe he found out about the
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  two affairs through doctor Nikeolch. Mister Moran, And just to
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  be clear, you asked about other details Gates, Yeah, I'm
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  not commenting on that. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap
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  up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
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  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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