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Sophie's Birth Story · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to this very special episode of Outspoken. Sophie,
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Speaker 1: you are joining us back on the mics five weeks
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Speaker 1: after giving birth to your beautiful son, Luca. You are
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Speaker 1: currently holding him. So if you hear any cute little
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Speaker 1: baby noises, that is Luca. He keeps dropping his dummy
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Speaker 1: at the moment. I'm just like watching him. I'm watching Archie.
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Speaker 1: We're recording this on a Sunday afternoon and our neighbours
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Speaker 1: have also started to drill something. So hopefully we get
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Speaker 1: there in the end.
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Speaker 2: Now, for those who don't know, Luca's full name is
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Speaker 2: Luca Archie Hancock. So for those who don't know, how
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Speaker 2: did this name come about?
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Speaker 1: I think OGs will pick up that Archie is my
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Speaker 1: dog's name, my firstborn child's name. And I think it's
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Speaker 1: a real millennial thing to give the middle name as
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Speaker 1: your dog's name. I've heard so many people doing it.
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Speaker 1: I actually got the idea from one of my friends
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Speaker 1: who actually owns Archie's brother. So she was going to
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Speaker 1: call her son or give her son the middle name
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Speaker 1: Winston after him. she ended up not doing it and
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Speaker 1: going with a family name, which could have been a
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Speaker 1: good idea. In hindsight. In saying that, we love the
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Speaker 1: name Archie. And if we didn't have Archie, Luca's first
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Speaker 1: name probably was going to be Archie. And I just
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Speaker 1: love that Archie is going to be such, we think
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Speaker 1: he's his big brother and he's going to be such
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Speaker 1: a big part of his life. And I think it's
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Speaker 1: a way to always have Archie in our lives forever.
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Speaker 1: So That is why we chose that as the middle name.
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Speaker 2: But there was also a bit of a Love Island
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Speaker 2: theme with the name.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean, I did drop a few clues
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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I said that in my baby
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Speaker 1: shower post, I was getting all influencer and I said
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Speaker 1: that there was a bit of a clue in there
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Speaker 1: as to what his name was. Now that clue is
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Speaker 1: that Amy, for my baby shower, you made me, was
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Speaker 1: it scratchy cards that were find the dad?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And basically I had Luca Bish, who was one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite contestants on Love Island and My husband
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Speaker 1: keeps saying, don't tell people that we named him after
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Speaker 1: Luka Bish. We didn't name him after him. We were
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Speaker 1: inspired by that name. But you named him after Luka Bish. No,
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Speaker 1: we just love the name. As soon as his name
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Speaker 1: was on Love Island, we were like, that is such
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Speaker 1: a cool name. And I think also because I liked Luka,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'd love to have a son that
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Speaker 1: had that sort of personality. Well, it's also difficult because
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Speaker 1: you really liked the name Henry. And Amy went with Harry,
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Speaker 1: which is, of course, traditionally short for Henry. And both
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Speaker 1: of your husband's surname start with an H. So it
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Speaker 1: could have been Harry Humphreys and Henry Hancock. I don't
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Speaker 1: actually think he looks like a Henry though. Looking at him,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like he suits the name Luca.
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Speaker 1: Being the last sister out of us to give birth,
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Speaker 1: did you feel any different type of pressure on you?
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Speaker 1: Because obviously you'd heard in great detail our birth stories.
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Speaker 1: We've sat down and recorded each of these episodes for
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Speaker 1: Amy and I. Look, as much as I'd heard your
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Speaker 1: birth stories in depth, I don't think anything could have
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Speaker 1: really prepared me for what I was about to go through.
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Speaker 1: I purposely didn't look too much into cesareans because I'm
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Speaker 1: the sort of person I'd rather, I think I'd build
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Speaker 1: up too much anxiety if I knew the complete ins
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Speaker 1: and outs of all the medical information. But I probably
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Speaker 1: should have looked more into it because I was actually
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Speaker 1: horrified at how much I felt during surgery. And I
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Speaker 1: was like the whole time to Brandon, I'm like, is
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Speaker 1: this normal? Like has Has this not worked properly? Like
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot. See, I don't think that is
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Speaker 1: the norm. I mean, I didn't experience that, Amy. I
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Speaker 1: think your experience was similar to mine where I felt
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Speaker 1: a bit of pressure, but it wasn't painful.
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Speaker 2: I remember the doctor told me that I was going
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Speaker 2: to feel like I was a handbag that they were
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Speaker 2: rummaging through. And I feel like that was a pretty
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Speaker 2: good description.
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Speaker 1: You gave me that analogy, Amy. And during the procedure,
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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this definitely feels a lot more
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Speaker 1: severe than that. They had to lower my head during
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Speaker 1: the surgery quite a few times to make sure that
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Speaker 1: the anesthetic was working properly. This is propping you down.
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Speaker 1: So it kind of flows. Yeah. And even before they
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Speaker 1: started the surgery, they kept being like, I had this ice.
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Speaker 1: They're like, can you feel that? I'm like, Yes, I can.
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Speaker 1: I can feel it.
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Speaker 2: I want to know how Brandon went with this all
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Speaker 2: because a listener wrote in and asked, did his dad
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Speaker 2: have to step in for him?
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've got to rewind to the start because, Amy,
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed hearing about the lead up to you
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Speaker 1: actually going to the hospital. There was that infamous moment
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Speaker 1: where Dale wanted to stop for McDonald's on the way there.
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Speaker 1: We actually ended up having to go in at– we
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Speaker 1: had to be there at 6.45 at Flinders Medical Centre.
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Speaker 1: So no stop for Macca's breakfast? No, and there was
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Speaker 1: already some contention. I think we sort of alluded to
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Speaker 1: it on the podcast, Kate, in the weeks leading up
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Speaker 1: to me having Luca because I was actually given the
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Speaker 1: same date as Jack's birthday and we couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1: We were like, are they serious? Like when the person
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Speaker 1: called through– because we knew that our due dates were
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Speaker 1: going to be pretty similar, Kate, but obviously a year apart.
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Speaker 1: And when the person from the hospital rang– With the date,
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Speaker 1: I just knew it was going to be the 17th.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, my God, is Kate going
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Speaker 1: to take this really badly? Because with us having to
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Speaker 1: share birthdays, we don't want our sons to have to
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Speaker 1: share everything. And we were like, oh, we're going to
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Speaker 1: have to do joint birthday parties or we're going to
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Speaker 1: have to fight for that date. Well, I think we're
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Speaker 1: still going to have to fight for the day, but
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Speaker 1: at least they have their own separate days. So a
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Speaker 1: week out from your scheduled date, you got a call
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Speaker 1: asking if you could come in a day earlier. Can
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Speaker 1: you take us back to that day, that morning of
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Speaker 1: that day? Oh. I feel like I've almost got a
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Speaker 1: bit of PTSD thinking back to that time because it
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Speaker 1: was such a whirlwind. I was trying so hard to
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Speaker 1: get everything ready in the weeks leading up to the
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Speaker 1: birth and our dog got really sick and we were
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Speaker 1: in and out of the vets. And then Brandon's parents
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Speaker 1: got COVID and we were worried that they wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: able to come and meet their grandson. And it was
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Speaker 1: all happening. And because I feel like you're very aware
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Speaker 1: that you're not going to have any time to do things.
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Speaker 1: So you're getting all these jobs out the way. And
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Speaker 1: The day before, I remember I was rushing around to
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Speaker 1: Big W, picking up last minute things that I needed.
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Speaker 1: And anyway, so somehow we actually did get some sleep
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Speaker 1: the night before, which I was very shocked about. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: we woke up early. I have to say, because I
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Speaker 1: did get a lot of questions about my makeup, funnily enough,
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Speaker 1: because I know, Kate, you get told that you're not
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Speaker 1: allowed to wear makeup when you're having a cesarean. Amy,
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Speaker 1: you bucked the trend and said, fuck it, I'm doing it.
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Speaker 1: I thought, nah, I'm doing it too. So I got
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Speaker 1: up very early. I put makeup on. I straighten my hair.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want to feel like me. I
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Speaker 1: think during your pregnancy, you don't feel like you. I
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Speaker 1: did a tan as well.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: That was my last– well, not the night before, but
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Speaker 1: I did a tan leading into the birth. But you
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Speaker 1: would have missed your stomach though because you can't have it.
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Speaker 2: I did.
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Speaker 1: It was the weirdest looking tan. I also missed around
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Speaker 1: my boobs because I'm like, well, if I'm breastfeeding, I
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Speaker 1: don't want him drinking– the tan.
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Speaker 2: Wait, so where was the tan? Just on your neck
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Speaker 2: and your arms?
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Speaker 1: I did it all over, but I just didn't do
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Speaker 1: it near my, well, where the incision was going to be.
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Speaker 1: And I put a sports bra on, so I did
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Speaker 1: it around. So it would have looked really funny, but
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Speaker 1: that sounds really vain, but it was more that I
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Speaker 1: was feeling just not like myself. And I thought, well,
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Speaker 1: all these people are going to be seeing me in
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Speaker 1: the nudge. So I will try and put my best
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Speaker 1: foot forward.
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Speaker 2: It's whatever you've got to do to make yourself feel
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Speaker 2: a bit more secure on the day.
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Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. I mean, I put foundation on.
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Speaker 1: I didn't do too much else because I didn't want
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Speaker 1: them to be like, why do you have makeup on?
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Speaker 1: So no cut crease. No, I didn't do my regular lashes. No, no.
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Speaker 2: But actually the photo of you that you shared, I
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Speaker 2: actually took that photo and I felt so rude at
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Speaker 2: the time, but I was like, Soph, I think you
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Speaker 2: should brush your hair in the middle, like part it.
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Speaker 2: And do a nicer ponytail because your hair was a
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Speaker 2: bit all over the place. And I felt this pressure
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Speaker 2: to get a good photo of you because I knew
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Speaker 2: that if I didn't, I'd have to come back, do
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Speaker 2: it again.
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Speaker 1: And also I remember you messaging me being like, oh,
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Speaker 1: should I bring my hair straight?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: Did you actually end up using it? No. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't think you need to. Look, I
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Speaker 1: did actually pack it, but no, I did not have
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Speaker 1: time or the need to use that item. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: you never know. So back to the morning. So were
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Speaker 1: you guys running on time? Did you feel prepared? We
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Speaker 1: were actually 10 minutes early. I was shocked. So we
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Speaker 1: arrived and the actual administration office where you check in
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Speaker 1: wasn't even open. I think I sent you guys a Snapchat.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God. And it was just
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Speaker 1: such a nervous drive because it was pitch black as well.
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Speaker 1: It felt really scary. Like, you know, when you can't
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Speaker 1: even get your head around where you're going and what
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Speaker 1: you're doing. I was like, I can't believe I'm about
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Speaker 1: to be cut open. Like, I feel like we didn't
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Speaker 1: have any time to stop for any breakfast or you're
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Speaker 1: not allowed to have any food, but Brandon definitely didn't
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Speaker 1: stop for breakfast. It was funny though, because he obviously
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Speaker 1: has spoken about his fear of being there whilst the
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Speaker 1: surgery is happening. So he had packed a lot of
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Speaker 1: powerades in a bag. And when we finally got taken
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Speaker 1: through to the birthing suite or the waiting room, whatever
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Speaker 1: you would call it, he was told that he had
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Speaker 1: to put his bag, which had all of his stash
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Speaker 1: of drinks and also lollies to keep up his blood
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Speaker 1: sugar levels, away in a locker. And he was like,
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Speaker 1: are you sure that I can't keep this drink with me?
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Speaker 1: They're like, nope, it has to go away. And I
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Speaker 1: think the funniest bit is when the midwife comes in
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Speaker 1: and they ask you, have you shaved recently or do
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Speaker 1: you need to be shaved? And I had heard all
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Speaker 1: these horror stories about people getting staph infections from shaving
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Speaker 1: the night before. or doing it too soon in the
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Speaker 1: lead up. Now you're talking about your pubic area.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So I probably left it a bit too long because
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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't want to be unsafe. Well, not
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Speaker 1: to share too many details, but it's quite hard to
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Speaker 1: manage hair in that area when you are heavily pregnant.
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Speaker 1: You can't even see your vagina for months. So I thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm all good, whatever. And the midwife's like, oh, so
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Speaker 1: do you need us? I was like, no, I'm all good.
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Speaker 1: I did it a couple of weeks ago. I think
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Speaker 1: it should be fine. They're like, no, actually you do
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Speaker 1: need to be shaved. They got the weed whacker out.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm only telling this story because it was hilarious
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Speaker 1: because when there was another couple across from us and
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Speaker 1: we heard the midwife come in and she's like, now
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Speaker 1: have you shaved? Are you prepared? And she's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the hubby did it yesterday for me actually. That's a
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Speaker 1: good husband. Yeah, and I was like, hold on a
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Speaker 1: second though because the midwife's like, good job. I was like,
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Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do it the day before because
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Speaker 1: you might get scratches and it might get infected. I
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Speaker 1: was very confused. I think the funniest thing that happened
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Speaker 1: during this whole experience was when the midwife handed us
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Speaker 1: the scrubs, so obviously a pair for Brandon and a
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Speaker 1: pair for myself, and she said, make sure you take
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Speaker 1: your underpants off. Anyway, so I went to a separate room.
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Speaker 1: We both got changed. Brandon came back in and said,
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Speaker 1: was I supposed to remove my underpants too?
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Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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Speaker 1: I thought that that was a ridiculous question until our
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Speaker 1: friends across the ward from us again piped up and
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Speaker 1: her husband asked the same question, said, oh, am I
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Speaker 1: supposed to take my underpants off too? What? I mean, obviously, Sophie,
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Speaker 1: you're having to have your underpants off because you're inserting
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Speaker 1: a catheter in, like you're giving birth. But I would
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Speaker 1: like to know why Brandon and the gentleman across the
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Speaker 1: hallway thought that they needed their jocks off. But maybe
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Speaker 1: the midwife had a bit of authority when she spoke
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Speaker 1: and they didn't want to do the wrong thing. In
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Speaker 1: case maybe Brandon shit himself or something. Doesn't everyone's partners
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Speaker 1: look so good in the scrubs though? I mean, you're
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Speaker 1: there looking the worst you've probably ever looked and then
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Speaker 1: your husband's all looking great. And their scrubs look like
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Speaker 1: they've been worn for the last like 30 years. They're
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Speaker 1: not new.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was really frustrating though, because even though we
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Speaker 1: got in super early, we thought, oh, everything's happening so quick.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be in there soon. But then we
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Speaker 1: got told that, and mistake had happened. So this had
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Speaker 1: to do with the original date. So because we'd been
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Speaker 1: put forward a day early, we were apparently on an
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Speaker 1: emergency list. So they'd forgotten to take us off the
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Speaker 1: emergency list. So because it was an elective cesarean, they said, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this isn't going to happen till like later
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. And I was so pissed off. Like,
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Speaker 1: It got to the point where they then said, oh,
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Speaker 1: we'll give you some water. You can start drinking. You're
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Speaker 1: probably quite dehydrated. Anyway, then within half an hour, they're
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Speaker 1: back saying, actually, we're going to do this in the
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Speaker 1: next half an hour.
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Speaker 2: I just loved Brandon retelling how when he walked into
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Speaker 2: the surgery, all of the people were like, don't touch
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Speaker 2: the equipment.
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Speaker 1: Like, what do they.
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Speaker 2: Expect that the husband's going to do? Like, go pick
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Speaker 2: up a scalpel?
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Speaker 1: Especially Brandon. He wouldn't even look at the equipment. He
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Speaker 1: plays by the rules. He wouldn't touch anything. But it
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Speaker 1: was quite confronting having the epidural because The anaesthetist told
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Speaker 1: me beforehand, oh, it should take about four to five
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Speaker 1: minutes to get it in. Mine took close to half
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Speaker 1: an hour to get in. I was so uncomfortable. I
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Speaker 1: was sitting on the edge of the operating table, leaning
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Speaker 1: down for half an hour. This is over your bump.
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Speaker 1: It was so sore. And I kept saying to Brandon,
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Speaker 1: because he was there holding my hand and.
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Speaker 2: He's like, it's fine. It's fine.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you sure? Like, is this normal? And
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Speaker 1: he said it was really bad because he could see
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Speaker 1: everything happening in the background and they were struggling to
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Speaker 1: find the right spot. And he's like, I could see
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Speaker 1: a needle, like this massive needle that kept trying to
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Speaker 1: point you back. They tried five times. It was horrendous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They had to have a few goes at mine. At
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Speaker 1: one point they're like, oh, do you think it's in?
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Speaker 1: I was like, you bloody tell me. It's funny because
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Speaker 1: around Mother's Day, an image of the epidural needle went
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Speaker 1: viral and I was Praying that you didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: I actually haven't seen it to this day. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, it's long. Yeah, that was probably
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Speaker 1: one of the worst bits of it. Because there were
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Speaker 1: two anaesthetists in there. And the one who I'd spoken
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Speaker 1: to earlier, he was clearly the senior guy there. He
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Speaker 1: had to take over and do it himself. So I
12:38
Speaker 1: think it must have been maybe a junior person doing it. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: a few weeks leading into my birth, Kate, we spoke
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Speaker 1: about how Anna McAvoy had that very glamorous C-section photo.
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Speaker 1: And I was joking that there was a bit of
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Speaker 1: pressure on me to make sure I had a nice one.
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Speaker 1: To put it out there, we had a lovely guy
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Speaker 1: who went to the end of the earth to try
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Speaker 1: and snap as many photos as he could during the
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Speaker 1: whole procedure, like to the point where I have seen
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Speaker 1: too much of my guts. He got too overexcited because
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to look at the photos because
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Speaker 1: Brandon's like, you really don't want to see that. When
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Speaker 1: people will say, oh, a C-section is the cop out,
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Speaker 1: it's the easy way out. It definitely is not. There
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Speaker 1: is something so confronting about being operated on whilst you
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Speaker 1: are completely with it. Going back to the photo, though,
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Speaker 1: it was quite funny because I said to Brandon, I'm like, Brandon,
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Speaker 1: can you take my hairnet off? I just want to
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Speaker 1: get a nice photo. And he's like, we are not
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Speaker 1: taking the hairnet off in this situation. So I had
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Speaker 1: the most horrendous photo.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not allowed to take it off.
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Speaker 1: How about all these other people? People do. They just
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Speaker 1: slip it off. But I have to say, I am
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Speaker 1: usually not the most emotional person. I did have a
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Speaker 1: bit of a tear when Luca came out. It was
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Speaker 1: the most incredible experience. we had Taylor Swift, of course,
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Speaker 1: playing the whole time. What song was playing?
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Speaker 2: Golden.
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Speaker 1: So that's actually the song that I chose on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, it was just such a special moment. And
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Speaker 1: it was so sweet because Brandon could see how stressed
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Speaker 1: I was during the procedure because I could feel so
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Speaker 1: much of what was going on. And he kept saying
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Speaker 1: to me during it, now what song is this? Like,
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Speaker 1: tell me the name of the song. Like, he was
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Speaker 1: amazing throughout the whole thing. And getting back to one
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Speaker 1: of the original questions, no, he didn't get his dad
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Speaker 1: to step in. He was amazing. He actually did cut
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Speaker 1: the umbilical cord as well. So he said he was like,
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Speaker 1: I saw all of this gory shit going on that
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Speaker 1: I thought I can cut the umbilical cord.
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Speaker 2: This is nothing compared to what you're going through.
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Speaker 1: Has Brandon's fear of hospitals now decreased since the experience? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We did have a kind of a
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Speaker 1: rough stay there because we were all ready to go
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Speaker 1: on day two And we'd actually packed up our whole room.
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Speaker 1: I was so excited to leave. Like, you know, you
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Speaker 1: just want to be home and you want to start
14:40
Speaker 1: that next chapter. But the pediatrician picked up on the
14:44
Speaker 1: fact that Luca was doing this little twitch and I
14:48
Speaker 1: hadn't even noticed it. I think, yeah, we just hadn't
14:50
Speaker 1: noticed it at all. And it's really lucky she picked
14:53
Speaker 1: up on it because it turned out that he had
14:55
Speaker 1: really low blood sugar levels. And this was due to
14:58
Speaker 1: the fact that, and this is the case with so
15:00
Speaker 1: many babies, because your milk doesn't come in for a
15:02
Speaker 1: few days, you were feeding them the smallest amount of
15:05
Speaker 1: colostrum possible. And we went in knowing that we wanted
15:09
Speaker 1: to mix feed him. Day Dot, you guys told me
15:13
Speaker 1: you should bring in some formula. I did not because
15:15
Speaker 1: I know that there's a lot of midwives who are
15:16
Speaker 1: really against formula and I just felt too awkward to
15:19
Speaker 1: do it. I wish I had because he was struggling
15:22
Speaker 1: to put on enough weight. He was born at 3.1 kilograms.
15:25
Speaker 1: He's always been a really small baby throughout the whole thing.
15:28
Speaker 1: My stomach has been measuring small the whole time. And
15:31
Speaker 1: basically we did request, could we please have some formula
15:35
Speaker 1: on day two? Now the midwife also had suggested it
15:38
Speaker 1: as well, but the person who was higher up said, no,
15:41
Speaker 1: we just are going to get you to try and
15:43
Speaker 1: pump more and try and get more colostrum out. Ridiculous
15:45
Speaker 1: that they don't go by what the parent wants. And
15:47
Speaker 1: also because he was throwing up a lot of mucus,
15:49
Speaker 1: which can be a side effect of having a cesarean
15:52
Speaker 1: because when they push through the birth canal vaginally, it
15:55
Speaker 1: pushes a lot of the mucus and fluid out of
15:57
Speaker 1: their lungs yeah that was probably one of the scariest
15:59
Speaker 1: moments i think on day two it was really lucky
16:01
Speaker 1: there was a midwife in the room because he started
16:03
Speaker 1: coughing and choking up on it and he almost turned
16:05
Speaker 1: blue so yeah that was stopping him from taking in
16:08
Speaker 1: a lot of calories as well so yeah that led
16:11
Speaker 1: to him unfortunately having low blood sugar levels so we
16:14
Speaker 1: got taken down to the neonatal ward and i have
16:18
Speaker 1: to say the whole the whole medical team even though
16:20
Speaker 1: the midwives are against formula they were all so lovely
16:24
Speaker 1: everyone was so incredible and I feel like I became
16:26
Speaker 1: friends with so many of the midwives there, like the
16:28
Speaker 1: ones who would come in for the late night feeds.
16:30
Speaker 1: We got chatting about Love Island and just so many
16:32
Speaker 1: different things. That was so lovely. But yeah, it was
16:36
Speaker 1: super scary because I never, ever thought that we would
16:38
Speaker 1: be in that situation. There were so many very premature
16:43
Speaker 1: babies in there and there was a really scary moment
16:46
Speaker 1: where he was having his blood taken and all of
16:49
Speaker 1: a sudden, a parent pushed the emergency button and literally
16:53
Speaker 1: every single doctor and nurse there sprinted to this room
16:57
Speaker 1: to try and help this poor baby out. And that
17:00
Speaker 1: just set me off. And I remember thinking, oh my God,
17:02
Speaker 1: if that's the reaction to a button being pressed down here,
17:04
Speaker 1: this is pretty serious that we're down here. And I
17:06
Speaker 1: think it was extra difficult for you because you'd recently
17:10
Speaker 1: seen Amy stay for two nights and get discharged very quickly.
17:13
Speaker 1: And the same experience for me, So it was just like,
17:16
Speaker 1: hang on, what? Yeah, well, because he also had jaundice
17:19
Speaker 1: as well and he was quite orange. But I remember
17:22
Speaker 1: Harry had it to a certain extent. Jack seemed to
17:24
Speaker 1: have it to a certain extent. But yeah, it got
17:26
Speaker 1: to a situation where poor Luca had to go into
17:29
Speaker 1: an incubator and they were going to have to administer
17:31
Speaker 1: an IV drip to him. They said it was quite
17:35
Speaker 1: a confronting situation and we might not want to see it. Luckily,
17:39
Speaker 1: he did perk up and we gave him some formula,
17:42
Speaker 1: which then raised his blood sugar levels. So he was
17:45
Speaker 1: able to come back to our room, but he had
17:46
Speaker 1: to stay in the incubator for six hours. So we
17:48
Speaker 1: had to go back to our room and it was
17:49
Speaker 1: just so difficult leaving him. And whilst we were there,
17:52
Speaker 1: we were hearing all these stories about other parents who
17:55
Speaker 1: had to stay on the ward there and their partners
17:57
Speaker 1: had to leave. And that was my biggest fear being
17:59
Speaker 1: left there by myself. Cause I mean, you're recovering from
18:02
Speaker 1: major surgery as it is. And I mean, I was
18:05
Speaker 1: pretty good. I was walking around day two. I couldn't
18:07
Speaker 1: believe it. Like you were just up and about because
18:10
Speaker 1: I think it was on day two that it hit
18:12
Speaker 1: me and also you, Amy. Like I remember you're on
18:14
Speaker 1: a high the first day and then the second day
18:16
Speaker 1: you're like, I've got to get out of bed and
18:18
Speaker 1: like walk around. But you were amazing. I don't know
18:21
Speaker 1: what it was. I think I had a lot of
18:22
Speaker 1: adrenaline going because he wasn't doing so well. I think
18:25
Speaker 1: I just felt like it's all about him. I've got
18:28
Speaker 1: to get up. I've got to do these things. I've
18:29
Speaker 1: got to make it happen. But, yeah, it wasn't the
18:32
Speaker 1: nicest hospital stay. But, again, the staff was so incredible.
18:36
Speaker 1: On a lighter note, someone messaged us asking– If we
18:40
Speaker 1: snuck in some sombreros for you, what firstly was your
18:44
Speaker 1: first meal after labor? Yeah, well, Brandon's job was the
18:49
Speaker 1: Uber Eats collector, of course, because I couldn't actually walk,
18:52
Speaker 1: but he organized for us to have McDonald's and we
18:56
Speaker 1: actually had that two nights in a row because there's
18:58
Speaker 1: a Macca's right near it. Yeah. And I just, I
19:01
Speaker 1: almost just couldn't be bothered to make the decision. Like,
19:04
Speaker 1: you know, you're like, oh, it's easy. You ended up
19:05
Speaker 1: bringing in GYG, Amy, which was probably my most delicious
19:09
Speaker 1: meal of the day. That was, I think, when we
19:11
Speaker 1: were told that we had to stay an extra night
19:13
Speaker 1: and I was feeling pretty sad and sorry for myself.
19:15
Speaker 1: So that made it a little bit brighter. So sadly,
19:17
Speaker 1: no Zambies. No Zambies. Yeah. I mean, we've got a
19:21
Speaker 1: Zambies around the corner. I can have Zambies whenever I want,
19:23
Speaker 1: but no, I didn't have Zambies. I didn't eat any
19:25
Speaker 1: of the hospital food. Oh, did you have any of
19:28
Speaker 1: the sandwiches? They were really nice. Yeah. I said to them, oh,
19:30
Speaker 1: my sister's told me that there's this chicken sandwich that's delicious,
19:33
Speaker 1: but they said, we've never had a chicken sandwich here.
19:35
Speaker 2: So what the hell was I eating there?
19:37
Speaker 1: I had a salad sandwich that was incredible. I had
19:39
Speaker 1: a tomato and cheese sandwich. But again, I have to
19:42
Speaker 1: talk about our friends across the world from us because
19:44
Speaker 1: I was just about to enjoy this beautiful sandwich. I
19:47
Speaker 1: think I'd had one bite and then the poor woman
19:50
Speaker 1: across from me she'd also had a c-section and at
19:53
Speaker 1: that moment she decided to well she started throwing up
19:56
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is perfect timing. They're like,
19:59
Speaker 1: would you like to go to your room now? I'm like, yes, please.
20:03
Speaker 2: What was it like returning home? Because that must have
20:05
Speaker 2: felt really good. And can you talk us through, I suppose,
20:07
Speaker 2: what it's been like? Have you got into a routine
20:10
Speaker 2: yet with Luca?
20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it was interesting returning home because, you know,
20:15
Speaker 1: I think once all babies leave, they do lose a
20:18
Speaker 1: bit of their birth weight initially. So he went down
20:20
Speaker 1: to 2.8 kilos. And due to his jaundice and also
20:23
Speaker 1: the low blood sugar levels, We had to have midwives
20:27
Speaker 1: coming every two days to retest him and there was
20:30
Speaker 1: always this threat that I was going to have to
20:32
Speaker 1: go back into the neonatal ward. So that was really
20:35
Speaker 1: like weighing heavy on me for quite some time I think.
20:38
Speaker 1: That was when– don't they say day three is when
20:40
Speaker 1: you have your baby blues? Your down days. It's normally
20:43
Speaker 1: when your milk comes in. So maybe like day four
20:46
Speaker 1: or five. To be completely honest, I found the first
20:49
Speaker 1: week really difficult. Like I– I think also the fact
20:53
Speaker 1: that it was dark so early, I felt really quite down.
20:57
Speaker 1: But I'm feeling a lot better now. I think it
20:59
Speaker 1: was just that early week of getting used to everything
21:02
Speaker 1: and just having that anxiety that I was going to
21:04
Speaker 1: have to go back to the hospital. It felt like
21:06
Speaker 1: a big cloud over you. And I think once he
21:08
Speaker 1: finally got cleared of the blood sugar levels and the jaundice,
21:11
Speaker 1: I felt a lot better. But again, because he is
21:14
Speaker 1: a smaller baby, we've really been having to do a
21:17
Speaker 1: lot of feed. So we are feeding him every three
21:19
Speaker 1: hours during the day and then overnight every four hours.
21:21
Speaker 1: So it's been quite intense. And I was initially breastfeeding
21:26
Speaker 1: to begin with, but because he was struggling to put
21:29
Speaker 1: on weight, I really wanted to make sure that I
21:31
Speaker 1: was breastfeeding and topping up with formula. But then I
21:34
Speaker 1: really wanted to express because I wanted to know exactly
21:36
Speaker 1: how much he was getting. And that was the recommendation
21:39
Speaker 1: from the doctor as well. So It's been an interesting ride.
21:45
Speaker 1: In terms of your feeding schedule, because it is insane.
21:48
Speaker 1: I was doing every four hours and I thought that
21:50
Speaker 1: was bad. You guys have been making the experience a
21:53
Speaker 1: little bit better by watching some old classics on the TV.
21:56
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. For some reason, Brandon switched on Blue Water High.
22:01
Speaker 1: That was, he's five years younger than me. So he
22:03
Speaker 1: was actually of the age of being a child when
22:05
Speaker 1: that show was on. So He loved it. It was
22:07
Speaker 1: bringing back a lot of memories for him. So I
22:09
Speaker 1: was first like, I don't want to watch this. As
22:11
Speaker 1: soon as Declan from Neighbours came on, I was like, oh,
22:13
Speaker 1: what's this about? This is quite– so I got hooked
22:16
Speaker 1: on it and got into it. We've also been watching
22:18
Speaker 1: Love Island. Thank God for Love Island UK being out.
22:21
Speaker 1: That has been my show and what I've been living
22:24
Speaker 1: for at the moment. It's so good. We haven't even
22:27
Speaker 1: spoken about it on the podcast yet, but the producers–
22:29
Speaker 1: The change-ups that they've done to that show to make
22:32
Speaker 1: you hooked have been very good.
22:34
Speaker 2: It's not a great time to have a newborn baby
22:36
Speaker 2: called Harry when the series is on.
22:38
Speaker 1: Actually, Harry's become one of my favorite characters on there now.
22:41
Speaker 1: Or characters. Or Harrison's made him look a lot better recently.
22:46
Speaker 1: Harry's grown on me because at first I'm like, oh, yuck.
22:48
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, oh, he's actually quite sweet. Someone asked,
22:51
Speaker 1: how did Archie go meeting Luca for the first time?
22:54
Speaker 1: We were so nervous about that because Archie has been
22:56
Speaker 1: literally the center of our universe for five years. He
22:59
Speaker 1: knows that he's been number one. And we were nervous
23:02
Speaker 1: how he'd go because, I mean, obviously he's had a
23:04
Speaker 1: bit to do with Jack and Harry, but you never
23:06
Speaker 1: know in their own environment how they're going to be.
23:08
Speaker 1: So we were really careful when introducing him. So the
23:11
Speaker 1: first night we came home, we actually had him stay
23:14
Speaker 1: at my mother and father-in-law's place. And then the next day,
23:19
Speaker 1: we didn't want him returning to just the three of
23:22
Speaker 1: us being there and him feeling like he was coming
23:24
Speaker 1: into a situation he wasn't aware of. So basically, Brandon
23:28
Speaker 1: and I left the house with the pram. We then
23:31
Speaker 1: got my mother-in-law and sister-in-law to bring Archie in. Then
23:35
Speaker 1: one by one, I came in to see him, made
23:37
Speaker 1: a fuss of him, went out. Then Brandon came in,
23:39
Speaker 1: made a fuss of him, and then we brought Luca in.
23:42
Speaker 1: And I think that was probably the best way to
23:43
Speaker 1: go about it because he has exceeded our expectations. He
23:46
Speaker 1: has been incredible. He has been the sweetest, most gentle
23:51
Speaker 1: person Big brother. He's so protective over him. He's been like,
23:55
Speaker 1: we were saying the other day, we just can't believe
23:57
Speaker 1: how good he's been. Brandon is sleeping with him on
24:00
Speaker 1: a lead though. What? So I said to Brandon, we
24:02
Speaker 1: don't need to do that anymore. But he's basically poor
24:05
Speaker 1: Archie sleeps with his harness on. In the bedroom and
24:08
Speaker 1: Brandon has his lead around his arm. So in case he–
24:11
Speaker 1: because the whole night. Yeah, the whole night. I think
24:13
Speaker 1: we need to stop it now because I think he's gone.
24:16
Speaker 2: But I think that's quite safe though because you're sleeping
24:18
Speaker 2: with the bassinet right near your bed.
24:20
Speaker 1: I think Brandon's fear is what if Archie decided that
24:23
Speaker 1: he wanted to sit in the bassinet with him and
24:25
Speaker 1: sit on him.
24:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my fear with my cats. I don't let
24:28
Speaker 2: them stay in our room at night time because I'm
24:30
Speaker 2: so scared of one of them just sitting on Harry's face.
24:32
Speaker 1: You've got to be careful. See, my golden retrievers, they
24:35
Speaker 1: sleep on the bed and they were just not interested
24:37
Speaker 1: in Jack and his bassinet at all. Like, The thing
24:40
Speaker 1: is I probably wouldn't have even been able to jump
24:42
Speaker 1: into that.
24:43
Speaker 2: But accidents can happen.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be so careful. I don't know
24:46
Speaker 1: how I'd go sleeping with a lead on my wrist
24:48
Speaker 1: the whole time. I suppose you're not getting much sleep. Well,
24:50
Speaker 1: it's not me. Brandon's like, no, I just feel safer
24:53
Speaker 1: doing it. So I'm like, okay, whatever. Poor Archie.
24:56
Speaker 2: How much sleep are you getting?
24:58
Speaker 1: It's hard because we've been trying to make the feeds fun.
25:00
Speaker 1: We're in that stupid position where we're still doing the
25:02
Speaker 1: feeds together. You guys have told me we need to
25:04
Speaker 1: split them up. So because it's every three to four hours,
25:08
Speaker 1: we don't have a consistent set time. It sort of
25:11
Speaker 1: changes each day. So you don't, you know what I mean?
25:12
Speaker 1: Like it's not every night at 2 a.m. It could
25:15
Speaker 1: be 3 a.m.
25:15
Speaker 2: Or whatever.
25:16
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been interesting. We are doing Dr. Goalie
25:20
Speaker 1: at the moment because- I mean, it works so well
25:23
Speaker 1: for you, Kate. It's been working really well for you, Amy. Well,
25:25
Speaker 1: when you say you're doing Dr. Gollick, because people think, oh,
25:27
Speaker 1: it's just this sleep training. It's actually not. It's a
25:30
Speaker 1: program based around making sure the baby is burped properly. Oh,
25:34
Speaker 1: the burping. The wind thing is Dr. Gollick. I think
25:36
Speaker 1: I've fallen in love with Dr. Gollick. Oh, what a guy.
25:38
Speaker 1: Because you watch his videos and as someone who's sleep
25:42
Speaker 1: deprived and you just want to do the right thing
25:44
Speaker 1: for your baby, you're like, Tell me everything. And he
25:47
Speaker 1: speaks with such a calm voice.
25:48
Speaker 2: You're like, he'll sort it out for me. Are you
25:50
Speaker 2: up to the bit where it's like, by this stage,
25:52
Speaker 2: the adrenaline is running.
25:55
Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, it's true. Well, I was getting super
25:57
Speaker 1: excited because Luca's five weeks tomorrow. And I was like,
26:00
Speaker 1: by week six, you're supposed to see if they can
26:03
Speaker 1: sleep through the night. But unfortunately, because he is on
26:06
Speaker 1: the lighter side of things, We are nowhere near him
26:08
Speaker 1: being five kilos.
26:10
Speaker 2: When you say sleep through the night, it's from about
26:12
Speaker 2: 11 o'clock till 6am.
26:14
Speaker 1: Yes. But that, yeah, that would be like insane at
26:17
Speaker 1: the moment. That just sounds so lovely. Now, Sophie, we
26:20
Speaker 1: were expecting Luca to come out looking exactly like Brandon
26:24
Speaker 1: because Amy and I essentially birthed our husbands, even though Amy,
26:27
Speaker 1: you're going to argue with me, but.
26:29
Speaker 2: All of Dale's family said he looks like me.
26:31
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry. He is Dale. He is Dale. He
26:33
Speaker 1: was a mini Dale. We discussed that on your birth episode.
26:35
Speaker 1: Who did Luca come out looking like? I was shocked
26:38
Speaker 1: because I really can see me as a baby in him.
26:42
Speaker 1: I feel like it's me as a baby, but with
26:44
Speaker 1: my husband's eyes. It's really weird though. I don't know
26:46
Speaker 1: if it's just because Luca has been wearing some of
26:48
Speaker 1: Jack's hand-me-downs, but I feel like they kind of look similar,
26:51
Speaker 1: which is weird because everyone said that Jack looks exactly
26:54
Speaker 1: like Reese as a baby. I also think that Jack
26:56
Speaker 1: looked like you as well. So I've... It's actually interesting
27:00
Speaker 1: you say that, Kate, because Luca pulls this expression that
27:03
Speaker 1: actually reminds me of you as a baby, something to
27:04
Speaker 1: do with his eyebrows, like this sort of. When I
27:08
Speaker 1: was holding Luca before during the recording, I could just
27:10
Speaker 1: see a mini Brandon and I've never seen it before.
27:13
Speaker 1: It's so funny, different parts of him. Yeah, different angles.
27:15
Speaker 1: I can also see our Papa Jeff in him. There's
27:17
Speaker 1: this little expression he pulls with his mouth. Oh, that
27:20
Speaker 1: was so nice to see that. It's funny because when
27:22
Speaker 1: Luca was first born, we all thought he had really
27:24
Speaker 1: curly hair, but it was just the way that the
27:26
Speaker 1: blood was still stuck. Well, it was because, yeah, they
27:29
Speaker 1: use forceps. So I think he had a bit of
27:31
Speaker 1: like red around and it was doing something to his hair. But, yeah,
27:35
Speaker 1: I think he's a nice mix of both of us,
27:37
Speaker 1: which I was hoping. Now to wrap things up, Soph,
27:40
Speaker 1: because it is nearing Luca's feed time, what type of
27:43
Speaker 1: mum do you think you'll be? Yeah, it's funny because
27:47
Speaker 1: when you had Jack a year ago, I was like, oh,
27:49
Speaker 1: she's been so over the top with this Dr. Carly,
27:51
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to be doing that, whatever. But
27:53
Speaker 1: as soon as you have them, You're like, oh, my God,
27:55
Speaker 1: I want the best for them. I want them to
27:56
Speaker 1: be sleeping. You will study anything to make sure that
27:59
Speaker 1: also you're getting your sleep. So I think that if
28:02
Speaker 1: the past five weeks are anything to go by, I'm
28:04
Speaker 1: going to be that overprotective mum. Helicopter mum. The helicopter
28:07
Speaker 1: mum that's very– well, I don't want to say strict,
28:11
Speaker 1: but I just– I really think that you realise the
28:13
Speaker 1: importance of a routine and how much children thrive off
28:17
Speaker 1: a routine. Again, I'm going from someone who knew nothing
28:21
Speaker 1: about children to to now just obsessively looking up Dr.
28:24
Speaker 1: Golley's content. My whole algorithm is now mothering content, just tips.
28:29
Speaker 1: Mum talk. Mum talk. Again, you don't know how– take
28:31
Speaker 1: some of it with a grain of salt because, you know,
28:34
Speaker 1: it's not particularly expert advice. How good is TikTok though?
28:36
Speaker 1: It just makes you feel so seen, particularly I think
28:38
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks of parenthood are just so lonely.
28:42
Speaker 1: Even though your partner's at home, there is a real–
28:45
Speaker 1: sense of responsibility when you're the parent that feeds the
28:49
Speaker 1: baby is this weird thing because you've carried them for
28:53
Speaker 1: nine months you're like oh like i'm used to providing
28:56
Speaker 1: them with what they need you know what i mean
28:58
Speaker 1: like and i think because i think because i've been
29:00
Speaker 1: very aware that brown is going to be going back
29:02
Speaker 1: to work i'm like i need to be okay to
29:04
Speaker 1: do this on my own i have one more question
29:06
Speaker 1: sophie we had a lot of arguments on the podcast
29:09
Speaker 1: about me saying just you wait Was I valid in
29:13
Speaker 1: saying that? Look, I still don't think it's a helpful
29:15
Speaker 1: thing to say to people when they're pregnant because pregnancy
29:17
Speaker 1: is tough and it's one of those, the hardest things
29:21
Speaker 1: you're going to do as well. But yeah, I mean, again,
29:23
Speaker 1: I have messaged you being like, I feel really bad
29:27
Speaker 1: for you last year going through what you did because
29:29
Speaker 1: we didn't really have many friends who had gone through
29:31
Speaker 1: it before. And I think for me, Saving Grace has
29:33
Speaker 1: been able to pick up the phone and say to
29:35
Speaker 1: you guys, is this normal? Like, is this, what should
29:38
Speaker 1: I do? And the fact that you were able to
29:39
Speaker 1: navigate it yourself I think that was very like amazing
29:42
Speaker 1: what you've done thank you I know it was a
29:45
Speaker 1: it was a nice moment when we came over and
29:47
Speaker 1: you're like I'm sorry, I just didn't know. And I
29:49
Speaker 1: was like, it's just, it's completely fine.
29:51
Speaker 2: Because how are you expected to know though when you.
29:55
Speaker 1: Haven't gone through it? Yeah, that's the thing because I
29:57
Speaker 1: think that if you haven't been through it and you
29:59
Speaker 1: just don't fully get.
30:01
Speaker 2: It, I saw there was a TikTok and it said,
30:03
Speaker 2: once you have a baby, you go on an apology
30:05
Speaker 2: tour to all the other mums. Like, sorry, I just
30:07
Speaker 2: didn't understand that that's what you're going through.
30:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true because even with you guys, I mean,
30:12
Speaker 1: I specifically told you, please don't make me a meal
30:14
Speaker 1: because I'm weird. I don't like eating people's food, like
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Speaker 1: particularly leftovers. And I mean, you guys might not have
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Speaker 1: liked the meal I prepared for you, but I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm bringing them a meal. I'm going to force them
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Speaker 1: to eat it. What's been really sweet is seeing all
30:24
Speaker 1: of the mums in my life come out of the
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Speaker 1: woodwork and being like, do you need a hand? How
30:29
Speaker 1: are you going? And that's even when you weren't there
30:31
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, because I feel like a dick now.
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God, I didn't message them saying how
30:34
Speaker 1: they were going. But because they've been through it, I
30:37
Speaker 1: think that they understand just how lonely and isolating the
30:40
Speaker 1: first few weeks can be and how difficult it is
30:42
Speaker 1: being in the trenches of it all. And it's this
30:44
Speaker 1: thing where for me when I've had friends that have
30:46
Speaker 1: had babies, I'm like, I'm just going to leave them
30:48
Speaker 1: alone because they're dealing with a lot and they probably
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Speaker 1: don't need me messaging them. But it's the complete opposite
30:53
Speaker 1: after going through it. Like you want to be messaged.
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Speaker 1: You want people to check in and ask how you're
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Speaker 1: going because you feel like– you're losing, you feel like
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Speaker 1: you're losing friendships. Well, you feel like you're losing your
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Speaker 1: identity because you're not at work doing what you enjoy doing.
31:05
Speaker 1: It's been actually so nice sitting down having this conversation
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Speaker 1: with you guys on the mics. I'm dying to come
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Speaker 1: back to the podcast. I feel like I might make
31:12
Speaker 1: an earlier return. We'll see how we go. We have
31:14
Speaker 1: been telling you to calm your engines, just try and relax. But,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be great.
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Speaker 2: I think first have your week by yourself, I think,
31:21
Speaker 2: is my advice. Because you might not want to come
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Speaker 2: back right away.
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Speaker 1: But, Amy, you were saying this.
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Speaker 2: No, but also I'm at a stage where Harry is
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Speaker 2: sleeping a lot longer than Luca is at the moment.
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Speaker 2: So I couldn't imagine having to go back and record
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Speaker 2: and do all this stuff on, what, three hours of sleep.
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Speaker 1: But you– you need something I think for you to
31:39
Speaker 1: focus on and that's why I've loved like throughout my
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Speaker 1: motherhood journey having the podcast because it's like it's something
31:46
Speaker 1: for me that's like I could just go and do.
31:48
Speaker 1: Like it gives you a purpose outside. I have been
31:51
Speaker 1: keeping across all of the episodes. I know when you're
31:54
Speaker 1: on leave, Kate, I don't think you listen to all
31:55
Speaker 1: of them. I don't think Amy listens. I've been tuning
31:57
Speaker 1: in to every single episode because it's such a nice distraction.
31:59
Speaker 1: The influencer world is just one of those places it's
32:02
Speaker 1: nice to go into and have a bit of a laugh.
32:04
Speaker 2: I love that I messaged you the other day, Soph,
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Speaker 2: that Saffron Barker had a new video up and you're like,
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Speaker 2: this has made my night. It has.
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Speaker 1: I actually have not watched it yet because Brandon kept saying,
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Speaker 1: do you want to put it on when we do
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Speaker 1: a feed? I'm like, no, I'm going to enjoy it.
32:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to have my dinner in front of it. Yeah,
32:18
Speaker 1: make it a show. Are you spewing that the weekend,
32:22
Speaker 1: I think it was the following week after you went
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Speaker 1: on maternity leave, that Tammy Hembrough announced she was divorcing
32:27
Speaker 1: Matt Zukowski?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because I listened to the episode. There were so
32:30
Speaker 1: many things I wanted to add in. I thoroughly enjoyed
32:33
Speaker 1: the episode, but I was like, I just wanted to
32:35
Speaker 1: have my say on it. I'm so invested in that. Well,
32:38
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. Now, Sophie, it's clear that
32:41
Speaker 1: outspoken listeners may be hearing from you sooner rather than
32:43
Speaker 1: later because you are raring to come back. But for now,
32:47
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
32:49
Speaker 1: It was so great to have a chat with you
32:50
Speaker 1: because I feel like with all the distractions of, you know,
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Speaker 1: Harry and Jack and Luke are together, it's so chaotic
32:55
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have missed some parts of
32:57
Speaker 1: your story. So it was nice to actually hear it all. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's funny because I thought we were initially going to
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Speaker 1: record it maybe the week after I gave birth when
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Speaker 1: it was all fresh. I feel like there's probably details
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Speaker 1: I've forgotten. Not everyone needs to know all the gory details,
33:09
Speaker 1: but it has been fun reliving it maybe with a
33:11
Speaker 1: bit of space. Well, that's where we're going to leave
33:13
Speaker 1: things because listeners may be able to hear Luke waking
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33:18
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33:21
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