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Chuck’s Commentary - Promise Broken… The War In Iran Is Back On + The Democrats’ Platner Debacle · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: unquote not supposed to be busy. Right Apparently we're back
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  Speaker 1: at war with Iron. We're going to get to that
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  Speaker 1: Somebody needs to step up here and be an adult
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  Speaker 1: about this, because this factional fight will be destructive overall
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  Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party chances in general, and they could
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  Speaker 1: really sabotage this main seat because ironically, there is nobody
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  Speaker 1: more upset about the developments than grand Platta right now
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  Speaker 1: than Susan Collins, because Susan Collins suddenly has a viable
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  Speaker 1: path to win reelection if grand Platter's opponent, And you
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  Speaker 1: could argue in the way everything was developing, and you
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  Speaker 1: there were there there. There isn't a lot a generic
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  Speaker 1: a generic candidate. The fact that Democrats have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to essentially nominate generic here. If it's too messy, then
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  Speaker 1: about the Senate if suddenly made is no longer in play,
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  Speaker 1: how much trickier is the path for the Democrats. Uh?
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  Speaker 1: And then I got a few thoughts on on Mitch
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  Speaker 1: McConnell as well. But anyway, so it's a little pot
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  Speaker 1: perish because we've had a lot going on. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to share with you everything I understand about what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. In Kentucky, everything that I think I understand
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  Speaker 1: about what's going on in Maine. We'll go from there, and
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  Speaker 1: of course i'll take some questions. But with that, let
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  Speaker 1: me start with what we're now in. What we're now
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of again, which is the war is
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  Speaker 1: back on. And so what does that mean at this point? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest, most important development out of this
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  Speaker 1: is that it just it can whatever path to stabilizing
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  Speaker 1: the domestic and global economy that Donald Trump had been
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  Speaker 1: on and that we were on in this uncomfortable cease
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  Speaker 1: fire and memo of understanding and this very slow reopening
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  Speaker 1: of the straight of horror moves, and and you had
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  Speaker 1: the markets sort of almost a bit enthusiastic about everything
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  Speaker 1: opening up, and all of a sudden, rugsy pulled out
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  Speaker 1: from under the global economy, ironically the worst back on.
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  Speaker 1: Just as the IMF comes out and said this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the worst economic growth protections that they've
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  Speaker 1: for the projection for economic growth for the globe in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is now only getting lower and getting worse.
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  Speaker 1: And it's all due to this war of choice by
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  Speaker 1: President Trump. And in fact, look the restart of hostilities
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  Speaker 1: is a reminder, frankly, that if there was any question
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  Speaker 1: about whether who won this war or who won this conflict,
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians won this conflict. Yes they've been they had
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  Speaker 1: more damage, Yes there is more things they have to rebuild.
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  Speaker 1: All of those things are true. But who's got more leverage?
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  Speaker 1: The Iranians the Iranian Before this war started, Iran did
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  Speaker 1: not have the leverage that they've had over the global economy,
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  Speaker 1: and they are now taking full advantage of the additional
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  Speaker 1: leverage that Donald Trump allowed around to have. This war
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  Speaker 1: doesn't start if he fulfills a campaign promise. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I was, I've been trying to think about
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  Speaker 1: this when you when it when it comes to sort
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  Speaker 1: of a you know, there's always a little line going
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  Speaker 1: on with almost any politician during a campaign, right, and
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  Speaker 1: the question is what's the line between sort of campaign
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  Speaker 1: lies and real sort of break your promise lies. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, whenever you've you know, when you think about
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  Speaker 1: sort of the the big stuff that presidents have been
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  Speaker 1: tagged with, you've got you know, Bill Clinton, you know
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  Speaker 1: I did not have sexual relations with that woman. You've
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  Speaker 1: got no the w m d s, no WMDs with
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  Speaker 1: with George W. Bush you've got if you like your doctor,
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  Speaker 1: you can keep them, which was of course a lot
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  Speaker 1: of PolitiFact famously called that the lie of the year
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  Speaker 1: one time, but really the mother of all sort of
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  Speaker 1: broken promises in the modern campaign era, certainly in my
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  Speaker 1: professional career, has been the famous George hw convention speech
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  Speaker 1: Read my lips, no new taxes. It's about as close
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  Speaker 1: to it. In case you're wondering, my George H. W.
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  Speaker 1: Bush is really an imitation of Dana Carvey doing George HW. Bush.
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  Speaker 1: But I digress. It was a there was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that is a campaign promise. That was a
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  Speaker 1: line in that it was bright colors, right, bright lines.
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  Speaker 1: There was no equivocation, right, read my lips. So when
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  Speaker 1: he cut the nineteen ninety deal with the Democrats that
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  Speaker 1: did raise taxes, it absolutely right. It became the start
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  Speaker 1: of what was essentially a thirty year a thirty year
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  Speaker 1: campaign by the right to push out the establishment wing
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  Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. It took him twenty five years
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  Speaker 1: to get there, right if you think about nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, But that was the beginning of it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's if there was one promise that Donald Trump the
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  Speaker 1: candidate consistently made and he didn't do a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things that was consistent, but there were a few things
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  Speaker 1: that were consistent. And the first campaign, it was he
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  Speaker 1: was going to build the wall in Mexico, was going
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  Speaker 1: to pay for it, right, And it was probably at
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  Speaker 1: the time his most famous campaign promise. That if you
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  Speaker 1: asked the average voter, what's one thing Donald Trump promised
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  Speaker 1: he was going to do in campaigning for president in
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, it would have been bill bi Wall and
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  Speaker 1: make Mexico pay for the wall. Still not built in
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  Speaker 1: Mexico hasn't paid a dime, So that was a pretty
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  Speaker 1: big broken promise. Didn't seem to impact him because that
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  Speaker 1: was one of those promises that while now he's technically
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  Speaker 1: broken it, his supporters and even those who see it,
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  Speaker 1: he certainly was pledging that he was going to be
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  Speaker 1: tougher on the border than the Democrats, and that has
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  Speaker 1: proven to be true. It's why I think that lie
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the impact on him. The other major promise
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has made as a presidential candidate over
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  Speaker 1: a couple of campaigns, but it came up big time
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  Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty four and in some ways he
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  Speaker 1: even reinforced the promise by picking the most dubbish national
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  Speaker 1: security credentialed the candidate he could find as a running
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  Speaker 1: mate on the right in jd Vance is when he said,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to get any there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: no more war. There's certainly not going to be a
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  Speaker 1: war with a run. If you vote for the Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a war with a run. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, this might now be considering the absolute loop, calamity,
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  Speaker 1: right of impact that this terrible decision has created. Right,
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  Speaker 1: he can't really put this genie back in the bottle.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that the George W. HW. Bush famous
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  Speaker 1: broken promise actually led to a positive outcome. Right, this
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  Speaker 1: was a broken promise that irritated the base, but that
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  Speaker 1: actually improved the American economy and set us on a
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  Speaker 1: path of incredible peace and prosperity for the next ten years. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton became popular as a president. We're having a
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  Speaker 1: great economy in part thanks to that nineteen ninety tax
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  Speaker 1: deill at George W. H W. Bush. If so, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he broke that promise, but he broke a promise that
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  Speaker 1: at least he can say guess what. And I know
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  Speaker 1: he's not with us, but anybody went you can say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he broke a promise, but the impact was a net
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  Speaker 1: positive for America. Donald Trump has broken a promise about
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  Speaker 1: this about a war in the Middle East with a run,
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  Speaker 1: and he broke a promise, and it is and the
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  Speaker 1: irony is everything that essentially the fears he was playing
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  Speaker 1: on with voters who were exhausted from the forever wars,
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  Speaker 1: who saw that these wars did not exactly make us safer.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, in some ways these wars have made us
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  Speaker 1: more vulnerable. It's made right, and there's certainly this war
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  Speaker 1: of the run has made us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks,
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  Speaker 1: Americans more vulnerable overseas. Right, this has made us less safe.
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  Speaker 1: This broken promise is damaging the economy, making life more
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  Speaker 1: difficult for the very voters that Donald Trump was claiming
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  Speaker 1: he was looking out for and didn't want to send
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  Speaker 1: their sons and daughters to another war in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: So I do think we've because here we are back again. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He mismanaged this, He lost this war. It's always fascinating
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  Speaker 1: to me when things go completely south in Iran and
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  Speaker 1: we've had these you know, there have been brief lips
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  Speaker 1: where it looks like, Okay, everybody wants to stand down
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  Speaker 1: and and maybe we're just gonna muddle our way through
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  Speaker 1: through Iran. Here Marco Ruby completely disappears, right, completely disappears.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I always say there's two types of
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  Speaker 1: news stories. Sometimes there's the news, there's there's news about
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  Speaker 1: what happened, But sometimes there's the stories that don't exist
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  Speaker 1: that actually are newsworthy. Huh, where's Marco Rubyo. How come
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  Speaker 1: he's not involved in this? Right? He's never really been
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  Speaker 1: involved in the Iranian talks. Right, It's always been a
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  Speaker 1: JD Vance project. But look, this is this, this is
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  Speaker 1: just a continuation, and there's a small part of me
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna and you know, this is as I've told you,
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  Speaker 1: my goal with this podcast is, Hey, this is I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to help you understand what is happening. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: will give you my opinions, but I will try to
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  Speaker 1: let you know when this is just what is versus
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  Speaker 1: what should be. But I think it's pretty clear now
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  Speaker 1: that this is going to historically be seen is probably
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  Speaker 1: the biggest campaign broken promise of the last forty years,
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  Speaker 1: and especially in its negative impact. Right, how breaking the
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  Speaker 1: promise had a negative impact because again I go back, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: read my lips, no new taxes. But what we never
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  Speaker 1: do well enough when we remind people about that broken
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  Speaker 1: promise is well, was it the right thing to do? Well?
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  Speaker 1: The outcome indicates it was the right thing to do,
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  Speaker 1: So George H. W. Bush was being a responsible leader
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  Speaker 1: of the United States in this case. Candidate Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: was right. It would be completely irresponsible to start a
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  Speaker 1: war with the run. President Donald Trump irresponsibly started a
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  Speaker 1: roar with the run with no endame, no idea, And frankly,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that he didn't believe the straight uporn
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  Speaker 1: moves was. You know, either he dismissed it as a problem,
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  Speaker 1: that potential problem, or he's now surrounded by people who
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  Speaker 1: aren't telling him everything he needs to know because they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to tell him bad news. And I am
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  Speaker 1: more likely to believe that in this term, he is
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  Speaker 1: not getting them. He is not getting the full picture
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  Speaker 1: from some of his aides, because he has surrounded himself
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  Speaker 1: with more sick offense than ever. And it's and that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing that should be incredibly concerning to all of us.
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  Speaker 1: But the point is that we're back in the same
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  Speaker 1: in some ways, like, so what should he do? Right? Well,
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  Speaker 1: Number one, he never should have started war in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. I mean, it's this is the strategic you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is where he's got He's got either you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are there's no good path. One path is try
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  Speaker 1: to get back control of the straight of war moves
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  Speaker 1: using the military, which would involve ground troops. Maybe you
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  Speaker 1: could limit the ground troop involvement, but that's that's a
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  Speaker 1: commitment that is months, perhaps years, but it's certainly months,
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  Speaker 1: which of course would be politically a disaster for these midterms.
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  Speaker 1: But in some ways, right, don't I don't know how,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he had a small chance of at least
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  Speaker 1: mitigating the damage politically that Iron was doing to him.
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  Speaker 1: Now that the war is likely back on in some
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  Speaker 1: form like this, and it's hard to imagine what's the
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  Speaker 1: process that gets us back to a place of stability here, right,
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  Speaker 1: Because remember Donald Trump told us that these new people
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  Speaker 1: he was dealing with, oh no, no, no, no, smart, they
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  Speaker 1: know what they're doing in Iran. Now he of course says,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're crazy and they don't know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: So clearly the President doesn't have any idea who we're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with, and was There's a small part of me,
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  Speaker 1: but it believes that perhaps we always knew we were
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  Speaker 1: going to go back to a hot war with Iran,
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  Speaker 1: but he wanted to. He wanted he was desperate to
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  Speaker 1: keep the lid on this war through the fourth of
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  Speaker 1: July so he could have his birthday party. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: this goes back to the you know it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he was so determined to make the America's birthday
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  Speaker 1: about himself and to try to you know, the last
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  Speaker 1: thing he needed was an active war in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of his birthday celebration. And remember it was the UFC
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  Speaker 1: event where he announced that the war with Iran was
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  Speaker 1: over and everybody was cheering and he got his you know,
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  Speaker 1: he sort of almost used the event there. Boy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight, it certainly looks like he was just desperate
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  Speaker 1: to keep all of the celebrations on schedule, starting with
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  Speaker 1: his birthday, with his birthday bouncy house, UFC match bouncy
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  Speaker 1: house thing that he put on the backyard of the
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  Speaker 1: White House, and the fourth and all of that, and
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  Speaker 1: now here we are again. So I'm not I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 1: there's a part of me that is now wondering how
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  Speaker 1: much was he motivated to essentially overlook anything around was
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  Speaker 1: doing to violate the ceasefire agreement simply because he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to disrupt the schedule. And now now there's no choice.
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  Speaker 1: a NATO meeting taking place in Turkey, a very let's
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  Speaker 1: just say a complicated ally is Turkey. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: can do a deep dive on Turkey. It's a fascinating right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Turkey is it the literal gateway between Europe
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  Speaker 1: and Asia, Europe in the Middle East, It's always been
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  Speaker 1: really important that a small d democratic Turkey be a
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  Speaker 1: part of NATO. Obviously, Airedwan is no small de democrat,
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  Speaker 1: borderline authoritarian, so it's not It's never shocked to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the NATO leaders,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's favorite NATO leader is aired one. And in fact,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: if Turkey wasn't hosting, I don't think Trump goes to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: this NATO meeting. I think he only went to the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: NATO meeting because Airedwon was hosting and Erediwan's his boy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And by the way, look it's just a pick video,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but go look at the videotape of Airdowan and Trump
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: arm in arm. I look, I know Trump's health is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: getting up there. Airedwan looked looked like an elderly man.
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  Speaker 1: The way he was walking around his gate was very,
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  Speaker 1: very shaky and it was unclear who was holding who
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  Speaker 1: needed more, who needed the help more to walk a
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  Speaker 1: Trump But it actually looked like Airdwan was having a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: harder time than than Trump there. But look, we've done
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: this controversial deal with Turkey where we're gonna we you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: when when Turkey bought some military assets from Russia, we
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: had said that we weren't going to sell them r
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: F thirty five. That is what bipartisan members of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Senate have been supportive of. But not Donald Trump, right,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: because he's mister transaction and Erdowan plays by the rules
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of you know, of the transactional nature. Right, he plays
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: by Trump's rules. The rest of NATO plays by you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: sort of normal rules, and aired one got what he
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: wanted there. But I have to tell you once again,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and we saw it again even with the Zelenski meeting. Yes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the good news is at the NATO meeting is that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Trump essentially green finally greenlit the ability of of Ukraine
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to build their own Patriot miss systems, to at least
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: be able to manufacture it themselves. And it's going to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: be really important. But this is one of those cases,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: as I said earlier, sometimes what's not happening is the story,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and the fact of the matter is Russia Putin and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Russia Putin hasn't been this week, probably ever since he's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: been president, since he's been the sort of the ruler
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of Russia, the elected czar if you will, or I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: guess kind of elected zar. He's incredibly bulning. Ukraine's winning
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: this war. People in Moscow and Saint Petersburg are scared
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: because Ukraine can now reach in to Russia and inflict
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of damage. And normally you would think, boy,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump loves winners and he hates losers, right, if
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: somebody's winning, he usually sidles up to winner. Well, Zelenski's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a winner, Putin's a loser. And what's Trump still pretending
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that he's Oh no, they they're both just fighting on
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: playgrounds or oh they you know, I don't know. Maybe
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we'll just let him keep fighting. And look, I'm not
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: going to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole here with
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Trump and Russia. And I've always said, the strongest evidence
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: about Trump and Russia is Trump's behavior, right, the weakest
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: evidence has been everything else. And it's like, and this
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is why so many people end up going down this road,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: because the the simplest explanation is that somehow, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: he's you know, he's essentially pro potent. The question is
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: why is he just pro putin because or is there
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a reason he's pro putin right either way. He always
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is soft sort of soft selling, you know, soft selling,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: NATO soft selling. It's always the benefit of the doubt
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: always goes to Putin, no matter the situation. And this
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is I mean, any other American president right now would
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: see this opportunity. But this is the most pro Russian
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: president ever in the history of this country since since
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union came debate. George W. Bush may have
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: seen into Putin soul, but it's possible Donald Trump sold his.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that is just it's just so
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: head scratching here. I mean, you're just sitting here, You've
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: got I mean, think about it. All the problems the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: United States are dealing with right now, weron, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Who are those countries, chief ally Russia. It isn't our
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: strategic interest to continue to weaken Russia and Putin. It
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: would only make it easier to get a democratic up
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: rising in Cuba, only make it easier to isolate North Korea,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: only make it easier to get democracy back in Venezuela,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: only make it easier to deal with the Iranians. Why
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: does Donald Trump keep making this harder? So as much
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: as I thought I was going to lead this podcast
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: with Plattner and the fight inside the Democratic Party, which
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: is a mess, and I have a lot to get
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to there, and I want to get to that in
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a minute. I always feel like we've got to lead
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: with our safety and security. And this is what's concerning
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is those of you who are not political fans of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You may be excited that he's blowing this
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: up and he's screwing it up and it's going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be politically disastrous. It is not. You know, there's no
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: defense of this, right but the real concern is we're
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: less safe right now. Our allies like us less right now.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: All of that makes us less safe, and ultimately the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: number one thing that you know, voters need survive. Safety
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and security is always a top concern of voters whenever
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  Speaker 1: they feel like it's missing, whether it's domestic safety and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: security or international safety and security. And right now we
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: are less safe because of Donald Trump's decision making and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's mismanagement of the Ukraine and Russia war and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: mismanagement of a run. All right, let's go to the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: main debacle. And I want to quote Matthew Iglesias, who
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: writes the slow boring And you know, I think Matthew
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Iglesias is somebody who has been sort of holding the flame,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: if you will, for the call it the pragmatic wing
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of the party. I mean, I think I've been following
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: him for years. I think, you know, he's a mainstream
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: liberal Democrat and certainly has and it's really low, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: has it's much more interested in having policy debates and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: all of that. But he's been weighing in more and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: more on the on the sort of political side. And
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: he just had a really smart framing that I wanted
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to share because some of you probably already seen it
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and good. But he did a riff about quoting the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: movie and the movie the TV show and or about politics,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and he said, you know, there's a there's a line
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in the in the show about where the main character
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: at one point is do you want to fight or
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do you want to win? And the framing, right makes
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense when you're thinking about this fight
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: between the progressive left and essentially the the institution that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: is the democratic already and that is the main in
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this case being represented by the folks that run the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: main Democratic party. And look in the wake of the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Kamalahiris loss and how frustrated many Democrats were that they
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: didn't get a say and who the replacement nominee would be. Right,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: main is, there's definitely an attempt to try to figure
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: out Kenya Kenya at least open the process some right
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and right now Platner is The question is how much
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: leverage does Platner have right He's on the ballot now
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and he has to He's the one that has to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: voluntarily get off. And it appears that either he wants
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this leverage or the people behind him want to try
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to use the leverage to at least guarantee that they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: get somebody from their faction as the nominee, which of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: course is what is why Iglesias is I think so frustrated,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and why he wanted to frame this is well, do
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you want to fight or you want to win it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And it really jumped out of me because if you
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: recall my you know, so my take on what happened
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in Colorado was less. This is not Democratic primary voters
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: suddenly gravitating towards socialism. This is frustrated Democratic primary voters
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that want that are going to pick you know, if
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the choices between a fighter or a unit, or they're
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: going to take a fighter. They want a fighter right now, right,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And you could argue in twenty twenty the Democrats the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: choice between fighter and united, they want a denier. That's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: how you can make that. And even in twenty eighteen,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in some of those primaries, right United slightly seemed to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: do better than those that were being on the fighting side.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: That has not been the case as cycle. Right. This
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: is what explains why so many Democratic incumbents, whether they've
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: been running to be promoted like Michael Bennett, or they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were trying to you know, push back against a primary challenge,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: have struggled. Right, It's the idea, well, if Trump came
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: back and you were there, then some how you failed.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And so you know, I have used the metaphor, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: there are times that I've been frustrated. In one of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the times, I remember being really upset those way back, uh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And I was during when my dad was still alive
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and it was health and I got so mad. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: just punched a wall and it was dry wall, so
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I was able to put a hole for it, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I felt good for like two seconds punching that hole
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: through the drive drivewall, and then I realized, oh shit,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: my mom's gonna be pissed. But I put a hole
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in the wall, and then suddenly I was you know, uh,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the anger served no purpose and in any and in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: fact cost me money, cost me time. Right, I had
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to go figure out how to patch this. I had
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to go to you that too. It feels good for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: two seconds to have a fighter and all back and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to tell a troll on social media to f off right,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't get you anything else. And the question
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: is if you want to And I think this is
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: going to be the fundamental, real debate. That's why I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: want to highlight. And you know, Glacias gets all the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: credit here for for using this as the as the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: sort of organizing umbrella. It's it's, you know, it's the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: fighters versus the winners. And if I were in the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: non progressive side of the Democratic Party, and I know
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: many many of you on the right think I'm a Democrat,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: many of you and the left think I'm some closet Republican.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The real answer is I really am an independent. I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: have no party registration and haven't been registered by party
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: over thirty years, twenty five years, something like that. I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: have the luxury of living in the state of Virginia
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: where you don't have to you know, you don't have
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to registered by party. But if I were the sort
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of the pragmatic wing of the party, I'd be making
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the winning case, right, if you want to defeat MAGA
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and Trump is and you've got to start winning elections,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and you've got to figure out how to win, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: what is the best way to win in Maine? What
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: is the best way to defeat Susan Collins, who is
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: not MAGA? All right, there's plenty of reasons why the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: left is angry with her, Brekavanaugh being probably first and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: foremost over anything else. But she's no mega Republican, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: if anything, you know, she's one of the few Republicans
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that occasionally does stand up to Trump, which means you
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: need to be a bit more judicious on who you
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: find to take her on. She is overperformed basically generic
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Republican in Maine for thirty years, so you got to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: be smart about it. Graham Platner made people feel good
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: for the moment, right because he was fighting, he was
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: saying all the right thing, but he was clearly the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: wrong candidate. Now let's get to the the finger pointing
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: here about you know what what and I think what
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: deserves scrutiny here because you know, one of the things
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I want to push back on this narrative that somehow
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this is a case where the the mainstream press is
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: why we know these things, right, the New York Times
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and Politico that did these games. We can have a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: debate about how the Times handled this their initial story
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that that's a and it's it is troubling that because
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: somebody was a member of the other party, that that
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: somehow that somehow lessened the impact of the allegation that
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: was leveled at the time by I believe her name
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: is Lindsay Fife on this and the irony being that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: because of that essentially dismissive treatment of her in the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Time story, it motivated Jenny rascou On here to talk
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to Politico. It's you should take a look at the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: timeline here because the Graham Platner has been caught in
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a bald face line to potentially Elizabeth Warren and other
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Democratic senators. So recall when the Times piece hits and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: this happens pre primary the most detailed allegation came from
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that from the self described Republican and Jenny Rasca, who
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of course is the one who went public with more
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: details of the sexual assault allegation to Politico earlier this week.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: She was in She's mentioned by name in the time story.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Why is that important because if you recall during the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: meeting that he came down to Washington to try to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: reassure Democratic senators that there was there were no more
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shoes to drop, and Sanders asked abroad, is there anything else?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And a warrant apparently followed up specifically about sexual assault
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: issues versus relationship issues, you know, the just wanting to distinction,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: like is there going to be a sexual assault like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: allegation coming, and he of course famously said no, he
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: reassured them. We now know through through Jenny Rascal, that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: she told Platner never just you know, when she found
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: out she was not pregnant, that's when she broke it
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: off for good from him and said, you know, I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: did not consent, and you know, made it clear he
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: knew she believed that she was assaulted by him without
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: consent because he didn't take no for an answer. I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: being judicious here. I think rape is a is you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it certainly feels like it meets the definition of rape
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to me, but I'll let I'll let you know. She didn't,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: she didn't go to police and all of that, so
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we'll stick to using the words accusation of sexual assault.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Could argue there really isn't a distinction at this point.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So he knew that she was talking to reporters, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: he knew what she believed. Perhaps he really doesn't remember,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: perhaps he was that blacked out drunk when he did this,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but he did know what she thought when Elizabeth warren't
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: asked that question, and when Bernie Sanders asked that question.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And here's what I don't get, and this gets it
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to me. How Look, if the progressive wing of the party,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the DSA adjacent wing of the party, wants to be
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: acendant and wants to lead the Democratic Party basically take
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it over, which is pretty clear, right, And this isn't
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: new Factions fight over who gets to be in charge
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of a party all the time, right, Mega and Trump
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: took over the Republican Party that was run by essentially
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the Bush wing for decades. I'm short handing it's more
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: than just Bush. But you get my point. Show some
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: leadership here, where's the outrage? I fower, Elizabeth Warren, I'd
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: be really outraged right now. You lied, And the fact
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: that he's still playing games about when is he going
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to It's clear that he lied directly to the face
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of these senators. And if you want to be the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: leader of the party going forward and the leader of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: this movement, have some high character, purge out the bad guys,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: call out lies when you've been lied to, and it
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: certainly seems to me it is. There's every bit of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: evidence here. Follow the timeline. Her name was in that
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: time story, so he knew her allgance she was talking
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to reporters. Any lie, that should be enough, right and
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• 42:27
  Speaker 1: this one more disturbing aspect about this, and this goes
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to a larger problem the Democratic parties had with essentially
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: white men. Right, This has been a you know, the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Republican Party is a problem with white women and women
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: in general. Democratic Party has a problem with white men
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and men in general. But it should bother a lot
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of people. It bothers me that there are people inside
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the party that think the best way to appeal to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: white guys, to working class white guys is to lean
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: into misogyny, is to lean in to the stereotype that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: clearly the woke left had of white guys. You know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: it's been something I've been, I've been, you know that
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I would warn you about. And why I'm I'm a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: bit more of a Tallabrico skeptic, for instance, in Texas,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: is that I think he is a liberals version of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: what they think Christians want to hear in Texas, right,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and Platner is a you know, a woke liberals version
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: of what they think working class white guys are or
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: something I'm not going to crawl inside the head, but
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that's what this comes across at. It's pretty condescending and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it's pretty insulting that you think the best way to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: somehow appeal the working class folks is somehow you think
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: they're they're they have low character. This is a reminder.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: What's really disturbing in all this is that the progressive
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: left in rallying around Platner despite all of the red
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: flags that were playing to see for plenty of people
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to see them, you know, you didn't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: need to. You didn't need to magnifying glass. Oh you know, No,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it was pretty out there. They let Donald Trump define
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: character in American politics. Nobody in there. I honestly believe
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: pre Trump, there's there's no mainstream progressive would have thought
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Platner had the character to be to be. Uh. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: can't for the USI but the but the progressess have
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: let Donald Trump define what they think is the character
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: bar really but uh huh. It's frustrating watching a lot
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: of online lefties who get who got who went all
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: in on Platiner because it was popular, right, They didn't
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: want to lose audience. They wanted to you know, it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: it's the thing that I worry the most about as
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm building what I'm building here, which is never to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm going to tell you what
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I think, whether I think you like it or not.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I think I do. It's a better service to tell
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you something that might be unpopular to what you believe
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: if I think it's the right answer. And you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I had plenty of people, good friends of mine push
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: them back on me a Platner, and I've had plenty
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: of people in the last forty eight hours ago. You
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: were right. It's Democrats should be thankful that this all
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: happened while they still have a chance to fix it. Now.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: About that one, I do think the Main Democratic Party,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I'm impressed quick so far with the leadership of the party,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and they've sort of taken to control of the process
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to push back. It is better for
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the party if the pushback on Platner and the Progressives
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: comes from Main Democrats and not from Washington Democrats. That's one. Two.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: They are smart to try to figure out a process
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that allows some sort of you know, even if it's
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a even if it's the Main Democratic Central Committee hosting
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a candidate forum of some sort. Right, you know, if
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you really wanted to try to pay for a firehouse primary,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I guess you could. You know, you could quickly set
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: something up. It's up to the party, right, the party
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: can do this if they choose to pay for it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And the irony here is that the opportunity now for
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Democrats to put the main Senate see back in play
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and in fact in a better position than it has been,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: is staring them in the face unless this thing gets botched, right,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: unless this completely implodes, I'm pretty confident. And this is
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: where I think Bernie Sanders and or Elizabeth Warren and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: oreoc right, whoever wants to be that, whoever views themselves
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: as the leader of this movement or one of the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: leaders of this movement. You know, they can't just sort
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: of retreat here. They need to take ownership of this
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and he frankly just take the out. You know, look,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders track record with stay why ken is it
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: not great? He's got a lot riding on abdul Lsi
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: now in Michigan. Because if Democrats go on to you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: blow this chance that they have to pick up a
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: main Senenceee. This is now too high profile winnable races
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that Bernie Sanders has screwed up Florida governor in twenty eighteen. Right,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Glenn Graham is governor in twenty eighteen if he doesn't
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: intervene on behalf of Andrew Gillam with sorows money and they,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you know, last minute try to they saw a chance
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: to essentially grab and of course, sadly we saw that
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Gilam got arrested again. It's very sad. He's an addict,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: but he was somebody that wasn't ready for this, hadn't
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: been vetted, right, it was, and you would think that
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the Gillham mistake that Sanders made, which by the way,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: right that the s word I mean it is, you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the Gillam has been such a disaster for the Florida Demo.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I mean instead right that you know, the peak moment
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for Gillham as leader of the Florida Democratic Party was
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: his great line in that debate against Ron DeSantis. I'm
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: not saying you're a racist, I'm saying racist. I think
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you're a racist. Right. It was one of those mic
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: drop moments. It was a well crafted line, it was
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: it was it was you know, it went viral and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: he came within a hairs bread, right, he did. He
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: came within a hair's bread. It was close in hindsight, right,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: if Gwen Graham is the nominee, that race wouldn't have
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: been that close. Right, It probably probably wins it by
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: two or three points. Remember Trump was unpopular in eighteen
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and DeSantis was considered too close to Trump. But it
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: became a battle of the extremes, a Maga Trump candidate,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a Sanders progressive candidate, and we saw what that what
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that outcome at that point in time would be for Florida.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Florida Democrats have yet to recover from it. We'll see
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: what the jolly and yes, the same Gwen Graham who's
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: now the running made for David Jolly, but ma this
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: time Florida Gov. Look, it's easy to back progressive primary
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: winners in deep blue congressional districts, much harder to win
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: state wide. And you would think that there would have
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: been a lesson learned from the debacle in Florida that
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: might have been applied to how they handled how how
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: nine was handled. A lot of pressure now and I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: do als for both the progressive movement and the belief
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: can progressives who are DSA adjacent win state wide and
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: boty count states. Right, I haven't to think I'd rather think.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I'd rather be abdu al sed in
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: the primary, but I also think it means Mike Rodgers
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: has a greater chance of winning. I'm not saying what. Look,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I think the national environment's bad and that usually and
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I'd turn out wise. I'd certainly rather be a Democrat
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: than a Republican going into this election season. But the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: real sort of question I have on on on abdul
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: ed candidacy is how well will we do with the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: African American vote. Right socialists in general d SA adjacent
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: candidates have struggled with African Americans and that's a key
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: constituency h in the state of Michigan. There So I'm
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: very curious if if the if the Progressive Left wants
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: to be the ascendant faction of the party, they needn't
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: get their house in order because this has been that
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: this they're they're accumulating their own set of baggage. That
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: will you know that you know, are you again to
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: bring it back to way Matthew Glecias framed it are
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: you are you proving you're a fighter or are you
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: a winner? Right now the Democrats are desperately searching, you
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: would think for more winners rather than more fighters. Okay,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a few more things, Mitch McConnell. I know all the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories from Laura Loomers to the you know Lane challenge,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. Okay, I get it. You know, is
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: he brained dead? All this stuff? So let and then
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: there's the oh, John Tune and John Barrasso and Scott
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Jennings have had, you know, repeated the same conversation or
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, and it is you know, it's really
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to have, first long conversation
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you're going to have, is about the straight up hoorn
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: moves with somebody who's been hospitalized. So, I think the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: skepticism that everybody has right now about McConnell's warranted. Right.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: It's clear we're not getting the full story. And if
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: he wanted to get rid of all of these conspiracy theories,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: it would be easy. Go have a phone call with
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, call a Democrat called Joe Manchin, right, you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: if they if so, if they want to put an
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: end to these stories. There's some easy ways to do it. Now.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I say this in that I'm a I'm always been
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: an Ockham's razor person. I believe it's really hard for
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: anybody in government to keep a secret. I certainly believe
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: somebody who's hospitalized if they was brain dead. And as
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Laura Lumer claims, But and by the way, who am
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I going to if you're asking me who's got more credibility?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Laura Lumer, John Thune. I'm gonna pick Thoon over Lumor,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: all right on that front for what it's worth. But
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: let's accept the premise that there's some conspiracy here and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: they don't you know, he's brain dead, he's a vegetable
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. So what would be the motivation. Well,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the first thing you might come to is, oh, the Senate. See,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: well he's retired. His seat is on the ballot this
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: November Andy barr char Booker, the Republican nominee, heavy favored
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Andy Barris. Booker's run before and lost. And this isn't
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: a race that the National Party is targeting, so it
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: really doesn't you know, there's no if the seat were
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: declared vacant right now, the soonest there could be a
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: special election in Kentucky if you followed the letter of
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the law, it is mid September, and then that special
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: election would essentially fill the term through January second, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: then whoever's elected in November would take the oath on
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: January third. Perhaps that's a scenario that the Republicans are trying.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're worried about losing a vote now Kentucky.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: The Kentucky Legislature did change the law when Andy Bisheer
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: became governor in order to try you know, essentially McConnell
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: engineered it year that if there were a vacancy that
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: McConnell's seek would get filled by Basher's choice. So the
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: legislature took the power away from the governor. But there
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: is a provision in the state constitution, as a law
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: professor at the University of Kentucky has pointed out, that
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: says the governors shall appoint any any statewide vacancies. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the law that the state that the Kentucky Legislature passed
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that essentially took the governor's rights of filling the appointment
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: away has never been tested in the courts. Now we
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: know Bashir put out a letter asking for an explanation.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: This is again, this is another one. If McConnell can
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: have a conversation with Dune and Barrasso and Scott Jennings,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: call up Governor Basheer, or call up, like I said,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Colin Chuck schum or call Joe Mansion, Callep, Dick Durbin.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, senators who've been there a while. Then
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: you know that I know he's got personal relationships with
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: so I I will say this McConnell's office, and how
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: this has been handled is it allows for the conspiracy theorists,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: whether they're on the left or the right, and this
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: one they're they're from all sides, right. McConnell's one of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: these unique figures that has has haters on the left,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: haters on the right, and so there's a there's a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: lot of people invested in his future, frankly, clearly for
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: negative reasons, which is just a little bit unseemly. Look,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: he's not well, he's not going to be here in
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: four months. Just let the man be right. The point
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: is is that if the simplest explanation can can be
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: that Mitch McConnell doesn't want to tell people what's going on.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't like to share news on
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: their hut. Now you would say a public official, hey,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you get when you decided to run for office, you
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: gave up a level of your privacy. I agree with that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I do think they oweys the next planation, but I
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: guess I'm like, I'm just say, look, there are weird
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: things I find the Elaine Choo not being with her
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: husband but being in China with the vice president. You know,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that's weird. Like it they could be handling this better.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: That would shut down some of these conspiracy theories. They've
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: not been very forthcoming. All those things are true. But
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the problem I have with all these conspiracies is like, Okay,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'll accept the premise they're trying. They're trying to cover
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: this up. What is there to gain? And I can't
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: find anything anything politically there is the gain. Look, he
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: hasn't been a reliable vote for Trump's policies as it is.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I look, one less vote is one less vote. But
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: if he's in the hospital, he can't vote. And there's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: enough questions about whether Bashir has the legal authority to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: appoint somebody that it will by the time the court
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: sorted out, we're going to have the November election. So
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that's why I struggle to buy into the conspiracy theories,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: because when you start to, you know, you know that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: To me, the best way to debunk a conspiracy theory
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: is accept the premise and then ask yourself, Okay, let's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: say this is true. What's there to gain, right, what's
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the benefit? What's this right? And in this case, I'm
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: struggling to see what that is? All right. I was
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: about to move on to one more thing on the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Smithsonian report that the administration put out about the American
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: History Museum, which I want to I want to get
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: to because I think it hasn't it actually deserves a
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: little bit of coverage. But my producer, Lauren asked me
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: to address one more theory as to why there might
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: be this obsession of keeping of keeping the illusion to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: McConnell keeping this going. And it's the Supreme Court seat.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: The issue is whether so let's let's if he if
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: he can't vote, you're down to a fifty to forty seven, right,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: because but she's not going to be able to to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to get a replacement in there through all these court
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: battles I mean, and that's why I wanted to go
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: through the Kentucky law, because, look, do I think butser
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: has the stronger legal argument because of what's in the Constitution.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I do, and you know it, and so but by
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the time you sort all that out, it's kind of
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: it's kind of moved. But look, there's there's a lot
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: of rumors that we could have a Supreme Court vacancy, right,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: you know, there's you know, the the Alito rumors right
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that that that the Trump White House might force Alito
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: into retirement because they think this might be their last
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: chance for the Republican Senate to get one more justice
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: on the court. All right, So if you you know McConnell's,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: if he's if he's brain dead, like Laura loo marclaims,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: well not wheeling, how you're going to wheel him in
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: to vote? Right, So let's go down. You're down to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: fifty two to forty seven. With Colin's running for reelection.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: We know she's going to vote with the Democrats, so
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: and we know Murkowski. Well, so now you're at fifty
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: forty nine without McConnell's. If McConnell's not there to vote,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it certainly makes the margin thin. But the margin was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: thin already. And even if let's say, let's say but
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: sheer magically was able to, you know, put a an
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: independent or den placeholder in there, then you're at fifty
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: to fifty in vance could break the time as it is.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So again, I this is why it's like, whatever path
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you go down to sort of what would be the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: reason to do a cover up as is being alleged
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on McConnell's health, I just don't. I can't find I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: can't find the payoff here. I can't find the logical
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the logical man. Before we get to the envy with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Cad Devon, I want to address one other issue, and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that is this quick the Smithsonian. Basically I read the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Smithsonian report, the one hundred and sixty two page report,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: so you didn't have to, and it was specifically about
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the Smithsonian Museum of American History. But what it's worth,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that's my favorite one, right because it is the it is.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I got to one time going to the bowels of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the Smithsonian American History Museum because what they don't have
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: on display is even is amazing, right they had. I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: was doing a story about the political conventions in twenty four.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. You can check it out about the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: history of political conventions and all the different artifacts that
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the Smithsonian has. They put a few things out for
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: public display, but there's all this cool stuff that they
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: had that there was just you know, their America's basement,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: right or America's attic attic if you will, right, They
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: have all this cool stuff that the stuff that if
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you find, if it were your grandfathers or your grandmother's,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, well, I can't throw that away. That's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: too cool of a historical artifact. Well, the Smithsonian has
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: all answer. So American history easily my favorite. So that's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: why I dug into this thuff one hundred and six
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: two pages. There were five hundred and twenty two footnotes
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: on this. But let me tell you what this thing
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: is and what they had a couple of critiques that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I think you can actually classify as fair critiques, but
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of this isn't right. Let me tell you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: what this report was. It wasn't an oversight report. It
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: was basically more like a prosecutorial brief. It was almost
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: like they were trying to indict the museum of being
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: biased and woke and all of this stuff. The problem
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: is the evidence is thin. Okay, he signed this executive order.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: This is all a part this executive order they signed, right,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: the Restoring Truth and Sanity. I think he called it
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  Speaker 1: stecking my notes here to American history. And and the
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  Speaker 1: whole point of the order was to have you would
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  Speaker 1: have advanced the Vice president and in quoting the order
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  Speaker 1: in the own b would be directed to strip quote
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  Speaker 1: improper ideology and defund whatever doesn't comply inside the Smithsonians.
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  Speaker 1: And so the document exists in order to justify this
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  Speaker 1: action that they already were planning to do. So it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of like they wanted to do this, so they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to come up with a report that gave you,
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  Speaker 1: that gave them this quote unquote ammunition. But look, parts
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  Speaker 1: of it do land fairly right. And this is like
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  Speaker 1: typical of most Trump critiques. There's always there's always a
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  Speaker 1: thread of truth to what he's alleging. And it's because
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  Speaker 1: of the museum's own leadership, right, they handed him ammunition.
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  Speaker 1: The director of the museum, her name's Anthea Haartig, is
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  Speaker 1: on video, and this report gives you the time stamps.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they get very thorough on this video. And
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  Speaker 1: in the video she says quote that history is quote
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  Speaker 1: a prime tool of social justice. She says her job
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  Speaker 1: includes connecting scholarship to activism and advocacy. She said, the
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  Speaker 1: museum profession needs to figure out how to quote problematize.
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  Speaker 1: And it was her word the two hundred and fiftieth
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  Speaker 1: anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and under her leadership,
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  Speaker 1: the museum did rewrite its mission statement and literally remove
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  Speaker 1: the phrase American history from the mission. So this isn't
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  Speaker 1: made up by the Trump administration in this report. And
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: here's one fact pattern that should bother folks. And again
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: where the critique, Well, the one place the critique was fair,
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  Speaker 1: it is the two unred and fiftieth anniversary. We're in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of it right now, right And according to
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  Speaker 1: this report, America's flagship History Museum had no new exhibits
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  Speaker 1: on the founding at all. There was no exhibit on Washington,
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  Speaker 1: not on Jefferson, the Continental Congress, the Revolution. Its big
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth offering was to put stickers on
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  Speaker 1: saying two to fifty existing on existing display cases, and
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  Speaker 1: they called that an exhibition. There was no special programming.
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  Speaker 1: So and they used to do a flag folding ceremony,
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  Speaker 1: and they got rid of that in twenty twenty. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's something that you know, you can see that that
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  Speaker 1: that bothers folks like, wait a minute, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: we're what what what? I think many of Trump' supporters
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: were frustrated. It's like, wait a minute, that's just one
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  Speaker 1: one perspective. So that's Look, that's the concession I want
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  Speaker 1: to give this report. Now, the report takes what is
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  Speaker 1: that defensible criticism of the leadership of the museum, that
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  Speaker 1: there was activist leadership and they kind of blew the anniversary,
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  Speaker 1: and then they stretch it into claims that they that
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  Speaker 1: this that the report itself doesn't support one it treats
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  Speaker 1: asking questions as subversive here right. In fact, there's a
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  Speaker 1: panel in the Democracy exhibit that simply asked, how should
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  Speaker 1: Americans remember their revolution? Now, the report, the White House report,
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  Speaker 1: claims that's evidence that the museum somehow refuses to affirm
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  Speaker 1: the idea of America. No, that's what history museums should
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  Speaker 1: do everywhere. You know, how should Americans remember the Civil War?
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  Speaker 1: How Sugar Americans remember War One? How should Americans remember
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  Speaker 1: the revel How should the how should Americans handle the
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  Speaker 1: fact that our founders were slaveholders? These are fair questions
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  Speaker 1: to ask. Now, what we're fighting over is how to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: answer those questions. But just simply asking the question is
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  Speaker 1: not proof of anything other than this is a museum
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: being responsible and trying to help people think critically. Okay,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: presenting a debate is not some sort of sabotage. The
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  Speaker 1: second part that is really bizarre here is, on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: the document is demanding that the Smithsonian d you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of dewokeify or or don't have any ideology on
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  Speaker 1: how you interpret American history. But what is their prescription?
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  Speaker 1: Their prescription is to have an ideological bent to how
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  Speaker 1: everything that's presented at the museum. So yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: this has been the problem with the entire fairness and
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  Speaker 1: bias argument that has taken place between left and right
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  Speaker 1: for frankly decades. Right, you know, I've always said most
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  Speaker 1: people that accuse me of bias are don't want me
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  Speaker 1: to be unbiased. They want me to be biased in
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  Speaker 1: their direction. Right, I'm biased towards the truth and reality,
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  Speaker 1: and when people accuse me of bias, what they really
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  Speaker 1: want is me to be biased on their point of
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  Speaker 1: view which isn't necessarily a mainstream point of view, or
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  Speaker 1: is it necessarily the truth of reality? And that's essentially
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  Speaker 1: what this report is asking. We don't like this left
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  Speaker 1: wing bias. We think there's been a left wing bias,
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  Speaker 1: and here's our proof that the Okay, you've made the
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  Speaker 1: case that the director of the museum absolutely is a
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  Speaker 1: bit has got a bias towards social justice. Okay, But
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the solution is to be biased towards an interpretation of
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  Speaker 1: history that many in the center and left wings whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: That is diluting, that is watering down anyway. And then
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: there's the sourcing. The other part is the sourcing in
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  Speaker 1: this report. Outside of the one hard piece of evidence
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  Speaker 1: they have about the ideology of the director of the Smithsonian,
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  Speaker 1: all the other sourcing is just garbage. Right, they have
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  Speaker 1: one concrete piece of thy look, and this is sort
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  Speaker 1: of typical of when Trump takes takes something and sort
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  Speaker 1: of too far with it, right they have You know,
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  Speaker 1: if they just focused on her and the lack of
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  Speaker 1: two fifty exhibits, my guess is even Lonnie Bunch would
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: have said, yeah, you got a point. So the White
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: House is complaining that the SMITHSONI isn't doing a good
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  Speaker 1: job of telling America's story. But the White House basically
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: they want to tell their version of the story. They
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: don't want an honest version in anything that isn't the
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: version that they want. So anyway, I hope this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: lead to, you know, destroying the institution that is a Smithsonian.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, like I said, American history is my favorite.
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  Speaker 1: So really it hurts that this is the one that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: they're picking on the most here. But like I said,
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  Speaker 1: they had one thing that was fair in their critique,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a lot more sort of over the top,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: over exaggerated bs and their basic prescription is instead of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: a bias to the left, we want a bias to
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  Speaker 1: the right. Well, how about we present all of it. Okay,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the fact is, all of it's subjective, all of it's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: open to interpretation. Let's present the facts and let's let
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: hey guess what. Some people look at it this way,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: some people look at it this way. What do you think?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: You know what that's called teaching. That's what the Smithsonian
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  Speaker 1: does pretty well, it's not what this White House report
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: is advocating. And I do with the Smithsonian ought to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: do a better job of presenting various interpretations, and most
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: of the time they do. All right, let's take a
• 1:12:04
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  Speaker 1: going back to just the Senate, Right, what are the
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  Speaker 1: five most And this is a my top five list
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  Speaker 1: if Maine is off the board. All right, this is
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  Speaker 1: to be and they blow this opportunity. So what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean, Well, this is how it would change my
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  Speaker 1: top five lists. So number one is still North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing has changed there. You know. The only good news
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Michael Watley has gotten in the last month is the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling that now means there could be campaign
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  Speaker 1: financial coordination. So in theory he should at least have
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  Speaker 1: a few more resources. But Roy Cooper is just raising
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: an enormous amount of money and that lead has been sticking,
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  Speaker 1: and I think they're going to have a hard time
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: sort of of pushing back against him. But number two
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  Speaker 1: on my most likely to flip list is a Democratic
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: health seat now and it's Michigan. The primary is going
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to be very divisive. Whoever wins Hailey, Stevens or Abduel Siad.
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  Speaker 1: I think that eventual nominee it's going to have repair
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: work to do inside the party no matter what, and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: that does take time. So already I think this is
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  Speaker 1: going to put whoever the nominee is in a tougher
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: spot against somebody who's not Maga. All right, he's trying
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: tried to get just mega enough to get Trump to
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  Speaker 1: endorse him, Mike Rogers, but he's not He's not Maga,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, look, he's he's I think he's been
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  Speaker 1: a bit elusive and he's potentially vulnerable on you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: who's he to you know who who's he trying to
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  Speaker 1: be here? Is he coosing up to trump Ism or
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: is he trying to be a more you know, mainstream Republican.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in theory, it should be a problem for
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: him to deal with. But let's see, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: happens there. I will want to make one note of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the debate between Abdul say And and Hailey Stevens their
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: first one on one debate. Look, I do all I say,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: it's a very talented political athlete, and he was very shrewd.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: He came out for a the idea of sort of
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  Speaker 1: freezing property tax rates for seniors, which I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how he as any say whatsoever on that as a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: US senator, he doesn't property Texas are a state issue,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: in some cases a local issue. But it told me
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that he, you know, he is he does not want
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  Speaker 1: to get pigeonholed as a you know, tax has been
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  Speaker 1: socialist or the SA adjacent. You know, he may be
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: for Medicare for all and some of these other things,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: but he's he definitely doesn't want to he wants to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: at least it reminds me of of how Trump. No,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not touch a solid security right he was. He
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: was almost trying to buy off the senior vote who
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: were a little bit concerned about who he was. And
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  Speaker 1: this feels like I do I say, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: desperately trying to reassure seniors because frankly, you know, older
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  Speaker 1: voters are the most likely to vote. So I just
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  Speaker 1: found that to be an interesting look, it's a bad
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  Speaker 1: policy idea. We can go through that, but it does
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: tell me he is not going to be a defiant
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: progressive nominee here, right. He does strike me as somebody
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: that's going to try to pivot enough to try to win.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll see, right if he can, if if somebody
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  Speaker 1: that far to the left and win state wide in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not underestimating. I just know the race gets
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  Speaker 1: harder on that front. And I do think that the
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  Speaker 1: fact that this is going to be a very naw
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I do think this is going to get
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  Speaker 1: negative pretty soon. Already has gotten negative sort of in
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: social media circles and stuff like that, but you're going
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: to start seeing the paid advertising. Steven's got really aggressive,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: and I'll do AlSi ed was, frankly was a I
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  Speaker 1: thought his initial statement on Platinum was weak. You know,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: it sort of said, well, you know it sort of
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  Speaker 1: it came across like he was equivocating a bit on
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  Speaker 1: the seriousness of the sexual assault chargers. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he was, but the statement was poorly worded. In
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  Speaker 1: Hailey Stevens I think rightfully called him ount on that.
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  Speaker 1: But that's now number two without Maine, and I would
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  Speaker 1: you know, number three and most likely to flip this Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously we've seen polling there that I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: just a fifty to fifty race, and if Maine is
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: off the table, it's only you know, only makes Ohio
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: that much more important to Democrats in Shared Brown. Number
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  Speaker 1: four on the list is Alaska. I think we've seen
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  Speaker 1: that it does seem as if Patello is is consistently
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: able to hit you know, forty six forty seven percent
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: in a ranked choice environment. That's probably a winning number
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: if you're running against the incumbent, right, because any vote
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: that isn't for the incumbent usually goes to the challenger
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: in this case, So you know, I think she's You
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  Speaker 1: could make an argument that maybe Patello has is in
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: a slightly stronger position than Shared Brown at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: For now, I'm not I'm going to keep Ohio more
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  Speaker 1: likely to flip in Alaska, but let me just it's
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  Speaker 1: it's barely there. And then finally number five in the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: lesbian Iowa. And then I want to draw a bright
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  Speaker 1: line here, right, So of the my five most likely flips, right,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: four d's one are. So let's assume I'm right and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: all five flip right. Well, the Democrats are net three
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and they'd be a seat short. So where do they
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: find their fourth that mains off the table? Well, there's
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: my one theory that Lisa Murkowski decides to just caucus
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: with the Democrats, don't switch parties, but she just sort
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: of switches caucuses because she's an independent. I think, especially
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: if Petello wins, I think that's a that's a more
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that's more in play than I think people realize, especially
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: with how aggressively negative Trump consistently gets and beating up Murkowski.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's she is. I don't think she has
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: any sort of uh fear or wanting. You know, she's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: more likely to basically give them the double shooters and
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: organize with the Democrats than she is too acquius to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: please from John Thunn. And then there's sort of what
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I call the next five races that Democrats want to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: put in play. But there's a little bit of skepticism
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: right the most you know Nebraska, Dan Osborne, Mississippi. I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: thought Scott Callum, who's the Democratic nominee there, thought it
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: was interesting he and Annie Andrews who's the Democratic nominee
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: in South Carolina? They sort of put out tweets during
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the whole Platinir controversy. Hey, I'm normal, I don't have
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: any sexual assault charges against me. Give to my candidacy. Essentially,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: it's almost like it was really sort of going, Hey,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee d SEC, please come help me in
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: my race. We're more competitive than you think, right. And
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: then of course there's Texas and yes, can pack ext
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: is a walking disaster I think for the Republicans. But
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: the amount of money Texas costs and the likelihood they
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: still come up short, I really think is gonna It
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: just makes Tallery got a very, very tough bet. He's
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: more likely going to be more having to finish this
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: on his own. And then one name to keep an
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: eye on that I think is probably the perfect compromise
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: choice for Democrats up there in Vain is Emily Kane.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: She ran a couple of times before and narrowly lost
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: that second congressional district before Jared Golden came along and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: won it. You know, she's she's essentially somewhere in between
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: you know, where you might put Janet Mills and where
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: you might put Platner and most importantly, I think that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: the Democrats have to nominate a woman in this case,
• 1:22:55
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  Speaker 1: what's one widely believed political myth that isn't actually true? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you one that Lee Arvi. This is it
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  Speaker 1: that Leharvy Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. I firmly believe that
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  Speaker 1: How is it that a guy was able to renounce
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  Speaker 1: but what seems to be there's just there, There's been
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  Speaker 1: And there is just a preponderance of evidence that it
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  Speaker 1: About all things Lee Harvey, Right. That is to me
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  Speaker 1: I think they. I think that they did have him
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  Speaker 1: They were trying desperately to sort of like you know, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think they feared that nobody would believe that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that he was up to it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those. It was an impossible It's like proving
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  Speaker 1: widely held myth that an undecided voters are a moderate right,
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  Speaker 1: and the other one being that it registered independents are
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  Speaker 1: all centrists. Right. That's probably if I were to truly
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  Speaker 1: answer your question about what's what's a widely held political myth,
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  Speaker 1: it is that independence are centrists. Independence are independents because
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  Speaker 1: speaks for them. Some of them are independent because they're
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  Speaker 1: so there were two there for you, right, I did
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  Speaker 1: Balie Harvey. You know, my favorite thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Costner in a Field of Dreams and then there's
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and JFK. Right, Kevin Costner and JFK is
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  Speaker 1: playing the biggest conspiracy theorist in the world about Lee Arva.
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  Speaker 1: There's this line in the Field of Dreams going where
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  Speaker 1: a you know, an average guy who you know, believes
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Anyway, But I digress, Randy, and Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: I was just in Buffalo. I just had a canceled
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  Speaker 1: we watch it on an episode. You argue that Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump had the single biggest negative impact on in East
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  Speaker 1: Coast City. But as a proud Buffalonian, I've always reserved
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  Speaker 1: that title for Robert Moses. Right, I was talking about
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  Speaker 1: Trump for Atlantic City versus Rotten. I know where you're
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  Speaker 1: going here with Moses. How would you compare Trump's impact
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  Speaker 1: on Atlantic City with Moses' legacy of reshaping and in
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  Speaker 1: many cases, tearing apart cities for highways and development. Appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your independent voice, enjoy the lighter July schedule, and go Bills. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: I heard it was My biggest applause line at the
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  Speaker 1: Chautago Institute was I'm a Packer fan, but let's go Bills,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the same. The only difference is Packers win
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  Speaker 1: their Super Bowls. To you, I'm not teasing. It happens
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  Speaker 1: to be true. But anyway, don't hate me, Randy. Don't
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  Speaker 1: stop you knowing. It's a fair point on Moses. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could argue that everything he tried to
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  Speaker 1: do it didn't work, right. I mean, he has Look,
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  Speaker 1: it sucks to get out to JFK Airport. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of terrible ways that the suburb. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's certainly plenty of ways that he screwed up
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  Speaker 1: the essentially navigating the city, right, But what he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to do didn't didn't have the long term impact. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic City still hasn't recovered versus New York has sort
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  Speaker 1: of overcome what Moses did. So that would be my
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  Speaker 1: slight pushback, But frankly, it's a fair point. And given
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  Speaker 1: the amount of people impacted by what Moses did versus
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  Speaker 1: the amount of people impacted by Trump's destruction of Atlantic City,
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  Speaker 1: it's a fair argument that in some cases Moses was
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  Speaker 1: more impactful. But that's an interesting debate. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to bring up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to know. Maybe for your second question, Randy,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell me how you would have handled Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump being the owner of the Buffalo Bills. All right,
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  Speaker 1: No final question for this episode. Scott C. Turner from
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  Speaker 1: Oregon's sixth Congressional District rights Hey chucked. Which percentage? What
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  Speaker 1: percentage of Republican leaders do you think are so shortsighted
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  Speaker 1: that they can't see how they continued expansion of presidential
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  Speaker 1: power could be used by a future Democratic president. Are
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  Speaker 1: they simply unaware of the precedent they're setting, or are
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  Speaker 1: they confident Republicans will control the White House for decades? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: be my hurricanes of being in the playoffs. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, i'm I'm I appreciate it. You didn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't do the Mario Crystobal organ minding
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  Speaker 1: beef on that one. It's not shortsightedness. I actually think
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  Speaker 1: it's more of a The real lesson that I think
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  Speaker 1: many politicians have learned over the last thirty years is
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  Speaker 1: do what you can in the moment because you don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're going to get another chance. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what explains this, and I think there's another faction
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  Speaker 1: that says, you go maximalists because they can't undo everything,
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  Speaker 1: so you do as much as you can. And this
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  Speaker 1: is why some on the left are so critical of
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  Speaker 1: Obama is that he wasn't as maximalist about trying to
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  Speaker 1: get as much done and maybe push the envelope a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Now. He was thinking long term. He was
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  Speaker 1: trying to and perhaps in hindsight, Obama's never said this
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  Speaker 1: because he's I don't think he wants I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he believes it. But you could argue in hindsight that
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  Speaker 1: there were things he could have pushed harder, and and yes,
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  Speaker 1: Republicans could have done a lot of it, but you
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  Speaker 1: can undo all of it, right, It's hard to undo
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  Speaker 1: all of it. And I think that's more of the
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  Speaker 1: philosophy that they're all taking, which is go for this
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  Speaker 1: maximalist Yeah, it may be that Democrats undo some of it,
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  Speaker 1: all of it, but you know the other part of
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  Speaker 1: it is one of the reasons why Republicans in Congress
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  Speaker 1: go along with this is that they believe Democrats and
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  Speaker 1: Obama already did this. The facts show that they didn't,
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  Speaker 1: but the rhetoric that came from conservative media indicated that
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  Speaker 1: they did so in their own head that they're just
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  Speaker 1: responding to what Obama already did. You know, it's I know,
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  Speaker 1: it's there's no logic to it. But as I said,
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  Speaker 1: in at least a decade. So with that, I got
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  Speaker 1: I gave not all of it, but I gave a
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