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Music. And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner Podcast along with my partners Brian Siegel and
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Jonathan Talley. And tonight our very special
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guest from 2D PBI AM Curtis Wilson.
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And this episode of the Boundary Corner Podcast is brought to you
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by Doctor Jeremy Counts at the Main Street Pharmacy in
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Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood
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Pharmacy, 301 S Main St. Blacksburg, VA and Y'all know
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what's in Blacksburg, VA right now.
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I believe it's that Commonwealth Cup.
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Some fucking winners is what the opposite of what's in
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Charlottesville. There we go, losers.
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Pete, we appreciate you joining us tonight, man.
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How are you doing and how? Is the game Saturday?
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I'm still feeling good, man. You know, I watched at home for
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the first half. My my wife had to watch me act
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like a fool for for a good 60 to 90 minutes.
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And then we went to the bar for a little while and I was I was
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more calm because the game was in hand.
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It's nice having a game in hand in the first half.
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Like, complete second-half. No sweat.
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Just like, let's see how much we can put up on these fuckers.
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Well, Brian likes that too, because the last time Thursday
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night Syracuse game, we're playing poker in the basement
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and we get up like 20. What was it like 20?
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Or something like that it was. 24 We got this one on 24 I'm
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going. To play now.
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Next thing you know, he walked out with like 65 bucks that
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night. Like whoa.
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Like he was. Playing loose, I was, I was
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feeling myself. I was like, let's, let's go,
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man. Oh my gosh, by the way, Yep, Mr.
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Drones joining us tonight. Let's go.
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If y'all haven't seen Mr. Drones.
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Also got his Boundary Corner water bottle today and is out
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there on Twitter. But.
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Y'all. We have a ton to unload.
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Pete is here for a lot of reasons.
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A We love. Pete, can I can I say something?
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Go ahead. Can I say something?
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Because Pete's here Pete Pete is here because that is that's
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prophet Pete. Prophet Pete from the preview
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panel, a lot of PS but that's Prophet Pete because when he
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came on the when he came on the on the panel he told us some
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things. He talked about some things.
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And I watched it come to fruition and I said, damn that
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motherfucker, smart. I've tweeted that video out a
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couple times from. I was going to do it too, but I
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say, you know what, I'm going to let him do that.
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Oh, I'm going to wait until he comes on and we might tweet it
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out after that. But seriously, if you go back
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shameless plug, look at the preview panel and listen at what
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Pete said about this team this year.
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We had a lot of people doubting. We had a lot of people that
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didn't know swaying one way or the other.
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And a lot of the things that Pete said in there came came
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true and I was, I definitely was happy to see it.
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I mean I was on, I was on board the whole time kind of what
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where we are. But like I said, the stuff that
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Pete talked about in that show was was pretty cool to see it
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come to, I don't know just about the 2019 team and how this team
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compared. And and while I was talking
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about that, I said if things aren't going so well, we might
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see Karen drones and we might get a spark in the team and have
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a very similar run like we had in 2019.
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I hoped that it didn't go like that because I was hoping Grant
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Wells would come in, hit the ground running we we'd be fine.
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But that's not how it went. And it it did turn out a little
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bit like 2019 and there was some comparisons in there.
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But I appreciate you bringing that up Tally, because I have
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thought about that a couple times since.
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Definitely, man. You know what else I started to
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to tweet out too? Mike McDaniel and David Y'all
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came on this show and you told me.
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You didn't see us making it. You was doubters, man.
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I love y'all. But guess what?
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You were fucking wrong. You said five.
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I told you to go to six with me. You wouldn't move.
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You wouldn't move. So kind of move.
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We love y'all. He tried to sell them into
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coming up to six with him because Tally had a good feeling
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about to see. Tally was also very happy to see
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that win because Tally was sitting here last week after we
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got off. He's like, y'all we got to win
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this fucking game Because if we don't win this game.
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My whole or of we're going to have.
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It this season's going to come from my boy.
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I know they had me. I know they had me.
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Bookmarked. Yeah, people had you bookmarked.
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I know they had me bookmarked, man.
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But you know what boys? Everything went to fruition.
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Like Pete said, we're going bowling for the first time since
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2021. Back in that double up on wins
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this year. Look who's in the house.
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There. He is.
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And we got to do what we normally do, Pete, every
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Tuesday, whether it's us three or Shelton's able to join us.
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You're joining us this week. We tell the truth Tuesday.
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And it's a concept that comes from one of our friends who's in
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the coaching ranks to concept Pete Carroll sit.
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You sit down every for them. It's Monday and you say what
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went well. What went bad?
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What can we do better and what we didn't expect?
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So y'all, let's just start it right out there and about what
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went well. And I'm going to say this, it's
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the edge that this team played on both sides of the ball.
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They played mean, they played nasty.
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They wanted to go out and hit people.
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They found contact. And and that's a that's a that's
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a thing you got to love to see when it comes to the the sport
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of football as a team that wants to do that because it's the it's
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basically putting their will on someone.
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That team reminded me a little bit of some of those 2000s team
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that would literally break break teams will with their
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physicality, and that output on Saturday reminded me some of
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that getting getting back to that type, that brand of
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football. That's definitely been missing.
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I thought the O line definitely played physical and I thought
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the play calling was pretty outstanding, especially while we
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were still working the formula or so to speak.
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In terms of setting up the pass with the with the RPO game and
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having Chiron run a lot early and then that led to the passes
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late. I thought Tyler Bowen called a
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great game. Yeah, man.
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I mean, it comes down to the the brightest stars are going to
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shine the brightest. You know what I'm saying?
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Like the the biggest stars shine the brightest.
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When you get in the in the position to shine, that's what
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you do. You know what I mean?
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So we went in there, we had our mindset on what we needed to do.
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And I feel like every star on our team went out there with a
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purpose and they did what they were supposed to do.
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You had, you had drones, you had two, you had lane.
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Even though in the stat sheet it shows he didn't catch a pass, he
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called a touchdown. There was no holding on that
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plan. I don't know.
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D Tackle falling down is not holding.
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Yeah, and then he let it go and then the the offensive lineman
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let go. But anyway, I digress.
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You know Felton and the the Tucker Holloway and he, the
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coaches from the top to the bottom.
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We went out there and we beat their ass like we was better
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than them. We went and showed it.
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They tried to have some fabricated hatred or something
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through the week with that quarterback and a couple of
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their players had some stuff going on.
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Well, I hope that you stopped coughing up blood by now.
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OK. How about that pressure on
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Calandria? Tell me.
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Hey, Brian, real quick before we because we're going to hit the
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defense first, you'll hold those thoughts in.
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Brian, you put something on here about the win itself and I want
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you to explain why you wrote that, because you wrote that in
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there. I didn't.
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Which one? The culture win.
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Yeah, I mean, like I was saying, you know, thinking back back to
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those 2000, like this looked like a team that was playing
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with an edge with a type of intensity that I have not seen
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in a while. Like whether it's APR going out
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there and honestly getting a couple late hits on the
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quarterback that rattled his cage, that shook him up.
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And that was the, I mean, they had two first downs in the first
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half. They were both off of those.
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But that quarterback was not the same.
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And that's how we used to set the tone.
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And I got. To give a little, I got to give
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a little bit of credit to the quarter, to UVA's quarterback
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because he kept getting up. You know, people like he he's a
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warrior, man. I got to give him his props.
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He kept getting up, but he kept getting hit, man.
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He got to understand like you you.
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I'm from Alabama and I'm a Virginia Tech fan.
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So when I first. Started like, I've been a
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Virginia Tech fan for a long time, but when I first started,
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you know, getting involved with Virginia Tech, Twitter or going
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to the games and things like that, it's certain stuff that
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you got to know and you got to adapt into.
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One of the things that I did when I went to one of my first
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games, somebody asked me about Frank Beam and I was like, yeah,
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it's time for him to go. That was not the right thing to
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say. I'm going to tell you right
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quick, like it was some people that was on my ass.
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Hey man, you can't say that you? We don't talk about Frank like
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that. I was like, y'all ask me a
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question. You know, he's a, he's a kid
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from Florida that came to Virginia.
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I guess they did a great job recruiting.
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And he starts talking about this rivalry not really knowing the
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roots of it, I don't think. Because if you start looking at
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the kids that had, you know, ties to being pissed off at him,
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you had pain. You had APR, you know Fuga's in
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there. You know, and then you had
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Narelle Pollock, who is from Florida, but he's been at
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Virginia Tech for 19 years. So I mean, these are people that
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know what this rivalry is and. Got some shots in at him too.
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I mean, the statements that he made was just.
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You just don't do that. It's not.
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It's not good business for him. Because what do you all think?
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Where do you all think all those things went?
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Where do you think that? As soon as that, as soon as he
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said that, it, I mean tweeted it out on Saturday.
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It was on every screen, it was on every locker.
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It, it was posted everywhere. And it should be because you
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think about who we have on our side in our coaching staff, the
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Pearson Preludes, the Adidas, JC Price.
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I mean it's endless. And all of those guys have a
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deep understanding of this rivalry and it's something that
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I'm sure there's some some UVA guys on that staff over there.
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It's just not the same. Our head coach was in our
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building as an as an assistant back in the day.
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He has an understanding. He went to high school in
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Virginia. It's and we brought in Frank
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Beamer. I don't know if you guys saw the
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video. That he put out a couple hours
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ago, but Frank talked to the team and I can.
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I can only imagine how much this was emphasized, especially after
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that NC State game didn't go so well.
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These guys were mentally ready. They were more mentally prepared
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for this game. They played like it and our
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coaches coach like it. 100% and it started up front and you say
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it started on defense. Y'all are mentioned that the QB
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pressures. 6 sacks, 7 players, seven players with at least a
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half a sack or better. Cole Nelson and his motor going
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crazy, finding Calandri multiple times, slamming him down.
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But it was just the whole game, right?
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That whole game that D line attacked and Y'all mentioned
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Fuga, Y'all mentioned APR. It was.
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They literally just said we're pinning our ears back every play
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and we're going to attack like. Well, we saw early on they were
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not going to be effective rushing the football.
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So bend your ears back, go after his ass.
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The only way they're winning is if they get the ball down field.
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If he drops back, hit his ass and it showed up on the stat
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sheet too, because we had the six sacks in total.
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There were five on Calandria, but there were eight hurries.
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We had only had a maximum of four hurries.
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In any other game we had double that and then we had six sacks
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on top of that. That's an immense amount of
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pressure. Crazy amount of pressure.
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And then if you think about it too, and this is my feeling on
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it, y'all, don't see what you want to say.
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I almost think JC Price told them on that first drive.
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I don't give a shit. Hit him.
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I don't give a fuck. If the ball is released, hit
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him. And and to your pallet.
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To your point, just a few minutes ago he kept getting up
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but he knew it was coming. It was White Day.
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I know it's him. He was thinking about even the
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touchdown pass. He threw the deep one.
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Like he got rocked and. He was slogan.
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He got rocked. And then it was crazy to me when
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they reviewed the, when they reviewed the, the hit from one
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of the hits from pain where he hit him in the shoulder.
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And the commentator's like, that's not a targeting.
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That's not they. They better not call that a
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targeting because his his face mask is up and he doesn't even
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hit his helmet. You know what I'm saying?
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It's like it. Was hers like who?
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Always seems to shit. It's like it also said I hate
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him. But it was like it was
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controlled aggression, man, you know what I'm saying.
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Besides, besides APR getting too late hits, but it was like we
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ain't getting kicked out of the game.
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We're not going to target when he starts to slide.
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We'll whatever, we're going to hit him every play.
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Though that first one wasn't going to be that bad, but Fuga
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got a piece of calandry at the end and he just fell right into
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where APR was coming through and and just teed off on it, man.
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The second one, yeah. A little little, little, little,
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little late. But you know.
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They should have never threw one on Burgos, though.
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Burgos was just legitimately there as he was finishing his
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throw and they were just like, all right, y'all got to stop it.
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Y'all got to stop hurting it. You're being mean.
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But then y'all saw it, and we saw it while watching the game.
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Like when that happened so quick early.
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You could see he was. He was thrown off his back foot.
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He short armed a few. He created the errant throws and
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the lane should have had a pick 6.
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Oh yeah. Dodge That ball was right there.
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I. Don't like those hands?
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Yeah, right. But we eventually get one.
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But as as we were talking about last week and probably Pete, you
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talking about as well, it's like we do this, it's he's gonna
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force it. He's already he's kind of a
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turnover machine, which, yeah. You know, do you remember the
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Maryland game? I know it was a little while
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ago. He threw 3 picks on three
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straight throws. And they were winning that game
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when all that was happening, right?
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They had a chance. I mean, the kid, he's shown an
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ability to make plays and be dynamic in the past game and
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whatnot, and we really made him, for that first half look God
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awful. Yeah, yeah, the kid has moxie.
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Whatever you want to call it, but like.
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He's still, he's still a true freshman quarterback and he
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looks the part a lot of times. And we made him look every bit
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of true freshman quarterback for that first half.
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Yeah. Now, now something, Brian, you
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mentioned a few minutes ago and we all saw it and it's always
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it. It's the worry part.
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It was our rush defense because we've seen we've sprung leaks at
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times this year. We come off the game versus NC
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State where Armstrong has some really good runs and we don't
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control that and Calandry does have a little wiggle to him,
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but. You know, at the end of the day,
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43 yards net, 29 rushes, like they couldn't run the ball and
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and that's that made me alleviate because when I saw
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them like early, like they can't find holes because you know, I
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hate to say this, we're five and six each year and every game we
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lost. We always had a big run, strong.
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I mean, that lost the Marshall game, that helped swing the
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Rutgers game. The Purdue game as well and it's
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like you're sitting here and and it's just the type of fans I
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know we all are. It's just like, oh God, they're
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just like they're going to get like a 45 yard run.
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Well, you know what? Early in the game, what?
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You know, when I was texting, y'all, I'm like, we're going to
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win. There ain't nothing to worry
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about. You know how Shelton is.
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He's looking at our analytics all week.
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No, they don't. They're not good here.
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We're good here. So he's doing that.
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But I'm just like, I'm looking at this and they're not going to
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win. Like we're going to beat them
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and we're going, we're going. I mean, when did you guys, when
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did you guys feel that? Though that's what I was going
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to tell you so during the game. When Pollock tackled, I think
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his pace from their team and he kind of twisted his ankle up and
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he had to had to go in the locker room for a minute.
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Just the way that he made the tackle.
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I didn't want anybody to get hurt but we have been so bad at
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not wrapping up or not game tackling or not making sure
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tackles. When he tackled him in the
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backfield and it was like just a.
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A good back, good tackle for loss.
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I was like OK, they're ready to play.
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So from then on I was like they're not going to run the
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ball we're we're and that was early in the game that may have
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been first quarter, was that the one where Hollins got his leg
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rolled up like was it? Hollins that got rolled up.
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That's it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Hollins.
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And I think it might have been hollered that that took him
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down. But yes, I I remembered that and
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I was like, OK, that was that was the game.
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We did look like he got twisted. Yeah, because you got so many of
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of games that we go back to. That guy doesn't make that
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tackle and that run goes for 20 yards.
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So that run goes for 15 yards or goes for a first down and
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extend. When he made that tackle in the
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backfield and just how he made that tackle, I was like, yeah,
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it's going to be a rough day for them.
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Yeah, I I hate to see a kid get hurt.
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I didn't want him to get rolled up on.
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I think I was, you know, I think he came back in the game, so
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that's good. But when we made that tackle I'm
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like, yeah, it's it's over. Y'all, might as well just go
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ahead and get your Pinatas out. You were.
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You were earlier than me because I needed the Gosnell touchdown.
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As soon as we got that does that 10 point margin and that
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beautiful call that gave us a ton of momentum.
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I was like I think we're good. I I really, it felt like at that
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moment with the with the way the crowd reacted and everything, I
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was like, I feel pretty good right now, being up 10, nothing.
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Ziegler, if I recall. Have we?
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Did we get up 10 nothing this entire season and not ultimately
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blow out or win the game? We got up and it would blow.
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Out or about 10.10 point advantage.
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I don't, I don't think we had a got to a 10 point advantage the
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whole season and didn't ultimately win the game.
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So I mean that that was one option.
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The the one that kind of stood out to me from a defensive side
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was when they first threw that that first like tunnel screen
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out to Malik Washington and we had like 8 hats to the ball that
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that was, I was like, OK, we're playing like we need to.
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I don't think they're going to be able to do a whole lot
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offensively, and I thought we were going to have have enough
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juice. I didn't know we were going to
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score 55 points, but I thought we were going to have enough
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juice to to to put that one away at that point.
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Yeah, that was reminiscent of the Wake Forest game and the
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Syracuse game, that gang tackling that swarming.
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We saw that in those two games. We we didn't really need it as
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much in the BC game because BC just like really played awful
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and called a terrible game. But, but in the weight game and
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the Syracuse game, you saw that gang tackling and having hats
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near the football and it was there on on Saturday.
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I'm with Pete. Pete, it was the guys now
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touchdown A because of where we were in the ballsy call and if
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you saw that play develop. We were getting the first down
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regardless if he had handed it to two and we were getting the
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first. If Kyron decides to run as he's
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rolling out, we're getting the first.
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But instead they suck everybody in and he just got just ran
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right under and it was just gone.
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But, but you see him going to that play and it's like the
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nerves are on that play. Like if we don't get this, I
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feel OK because they have done nothing offensively.
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They got the ball to Washington to try to get a first down and
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they could not get it. But I'm with you Pete.
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That touchdown was it like? It was just like.
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They're not going to be able to score more than two times in a
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row to get back in this game. Speaking of Washington, if you
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look at his game stats, Oh my God, he killed us.
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If you would have told me, just look at the game stats, I would
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have been like they won this game 14 for 1:15.
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Oh my God. But then you actually look at
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the real stats first half. Y'all do y'all know what he did
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in the first half? It wasn't that.
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It wasn't 100. 50 right under 35 or 26 is all he had in the first
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half. So he Pats at it like crazy.
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We'll get to, you know why, where he should have been.
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But if you told me he went for 1:15, if I was sitting here and
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y'all were a little bit drunk, y'all didn't know what was
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happening in the game, Washington's going to have 115
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yards. Y'all be like.
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Yeah, that's not good. Probably not good for us.
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Probably not a good day especially when you you know
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think well if he's got 100 and you know 15 yards that means
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Fields probably has at least 80 or 90 and you know, but I mean
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that that's why when you look at look at the game it's it's a
21:24
different story though. I mean they really didn't do
21:28
anything offensively until like late the third quarter.
21:31
I mean, I. Mean he caught some.
21:32
Even then, at that point, it's like the game was out of.
21:34
Reach he caught some passes on somebody #27 I think he.
21:40
I don't know. I think he was in the stands at
21:42
the beginning of the game, No disrespect.
21:43
I think his last name is Childers or something like that.
21:47
He's a white DB. How many white DBS?
21:49
You know, that's good. Like he caught some passes on
21:52
him. So I don't know how many yards
21:54
he caught on him. I'll go back and look.
21:56
But by the time they start trying to pass that, I mean we
22:00
had some stat pad, we had some third stringers and I mean it
22:06
was four boys in. You know that it was 38 to
22:09
three. You're gonna you're gonna ease
22:11
your foot off the gas a little bit on defense.
22:14
I kind of wish we hadn't I kind of wish we had won 55 to 3:00.
22:18
But it's it's OK. I also, I mean, after they
22:21
kicked that field goal, there was there was a party
22:24
apparently. About the light.
22:25
Show. Yeah, man, the light show came
22:27
on, man. Light show and fireworks and
22:29
fireworks. That's just absolutely
22:31
ridiculous. Yeah, that's that's one you
22:33
gotta somebody, somebody in the booths got to check out of that.
22:38
That's what he called audible. You can't.
22:39
You can't be doing that, man. And I'm going to call an audible
22:41
because it's a set up right to what we talked about.
22:43
We're talking about all three phases of the game.
22:45
Let's talk about the special teams, because after that
22:48
happens, they do the fireworks, they celebrate their field goal,
22:52
which you don't look for a field goal down 31 to nothing.
22:56
You can go for the touchdown, tune, runs that ball back.
22:59
And again, it was Brian you. It kept it.
23:03
It was. This did feel like an old school
23:05
Virginia Tech game because we were hitting hard.
23:08
And then all of a sudden, he found that crease and found the
23:10
sideline and just turned. That patience, man.
23:14
God. He waited for everything to set
23:16
up, hit the hole, broke a tackle up the sideline.
23:21
Yeah, that kind of felt like, I'm sorry.
23:23
Brian, no, you go ahead. Go ahead.
23:24
No, it just felt like a a perfect way for Tootin's regular
23:30
season to culminate. Because he has had such a
23:33
fantastic season and to see all of the phases of his game, his
23:39
burst, his patience and just like the way he is such a
23:42
playmaker all in one play for a touchdown to basically put the
23:46
game out of reach, although it was already out of reach, that
23:50
was amazing. Don't forget, he went up in the
23:53
He went up in the stands and had the beer.
23:55
Yeah, he did he. Found it too.
23:57
So definitely was a great time. Well, but it just showed you
24:01
like that. Like that was joy right there.
24:03
Like you know, most of those guys when they get near the end
24:05
of an end zone, they don't think about it.
24:08
It's find your teammates, celebrate.
24:10
He saw the plethora and it was a plethora of Virginia Tech fans
24:15
there and he went to them and you can see the look on his face
24:17
when he come off. Like I shouldn't have did that.
24:20
But it felt so good to to do that.
24:24
Couple other things on special teams.
24:26
John Love two for 2 from 40 plus by the.
24:31
Way dude. He's been.
24:32
He's been money this year. He has been.
24:34
Money. He's been money this year, man.
24:35
And if you look at him kick those balls, those balls went
24:38
through midway up that that's 50 yard plus.
24:41
Shut up John Love on that. And then how about Donta Lovett
24:44
being Johnny on the spot when they fumble that ball?
24:47
Like right there and I know. How about Lovett?
24:50
His mom would love to hit. Somebody on the sideline and
24:53
murdering them. You think that kid ain't ready
24:57
to get in there and play? Yes.
24:59
Golly. Yeah, he's ready, man.
25:01
He's ready. And I mean special teams overall
25:04
be just solid solid across the board.
25:06
I mean I think late late the game we had that that one muff
25:12
that kind of is what it is but no harm no foul there.
25:15
But overall we were just a really good game from special
25:18
teams especially love seeing him you know knocking those those
25:23
deep ones back. I'm like wow.
25:24
OK, so we we we've got some range here.
25:27
We've got a guy that if we can get it, you know, around the 30
25:30
yard line, we got a guy that can make those kick kicks pretty
25:34
consistently. That's a big time asset to have.
25:37
Well, that's a win. That's that that they play deep
25:39
defense is play different. If you have a guy that's that
25:41
consistent because it's like, OK, listen, we've got to attack
25:44
because they're going to get three points.
25:47
When you're ahead of the game, it's even more like, you know,
25:50
we were ahead, you know, big on this one.
25:53
But you get into a tight game and it's like you go up 20 to 17
25:56
and it's like, OK, you know what?
25:58
There's a 25. If we don't attack and get a 10
26:00
yard loss here, he's going to pipe this one right down the
26:03
middle. It's not going to be a problem.
26:04
And now we're going to have to go score a touchdown to be tied
26:07
in this game. All right, I'm going to flip it
26:09
now. I'm going to go to the offensive
26:11
side of the ball. Yeah, when you're just Willy
26:13
nilly. Exactly.
26:15
Shout out Andrew there, but let's talk about the offensive
26:18
inside of the ball. And I can't remember who
26:20
mentioned it, but Tyler Bone was in his bag on Saturday.
26:25
Yeah, I I had said that. And you know, I've given and I
26:29
think everyone gave Tyler a lot of crap last year.
26:32
I thought this year it was going to be tough to bring him back
26:35
unless you brought in a Co OC. We didn't do that.
26:38
We actually promoted him to quarterback coach and the
26:41
offense looked pretty much the same and pretty much just as
26:44
anemic through the first three to four games.
26:47
But lo and behold, they switch up the offense.
26:50
And we saw some more creative playmaking and I wasn't sure
26:53
earlier in the year who to give credit to because there's been a
26:57
lot of talk about Brent Davis and his contributions to the RPO
27:01
game and more of the option looks that we do because he was
27:04
from Army. But I think we know that the
27:07
play caller for the games is Tyler Bone.
27:09
We know that we've been able to schedule some nice play calls at
27:12
the beginning of games. Well, this one was a master
27:15
class because the way everything's set up.
27:18
Like if we don't have that penalty on 3rd and one if you
27:20
want to talk about things we could have done better.
27:22
Again, we had a penalty on a third and one that backed us up.
27:25
We might have scored a touchdown on that first drive.
27:27
You know things things kind of changed after that.
27:29
But he was, he was absolutely in his bag, he absolutely was.
27:35
And that the Gosnell one was really beautiful.
27:38
But there were so many things that he did in that first and
27:41
second quarter that set things up for later.
27:43
Yeah. And what I liked is that, yeah,
27:45
we had the big plays, but we also had a lot of.
27:47
Just really good drives that culminated in scores that
27:52
culminated in points. And so, I mean, it was really
27:55
there wasn't anything that they were throwing at us that that he
27:58
wasn't ready to have something to counter or in most cases
28:03
being on the attack and taking the game to the defense and
28:07
making them have to adjust. He really kept them off balance
28:11
the whole game. And and the nice thing was like
28:15
this, we knew this wasn't a ferocious front seven.
28:18
I mean there's there's a linebacker or two that are all
28:20
right, but they're D line, despite bringing a bunch of guys
28:23
back, has been a sore spot for them all year.
28:26
And it was when I was looking at it, and I see that they're 117th
28:30
in yards per rush allowed going into this thing, I was like, I
28:33
think we know what we can do in this game.
28:36
And we did it well, and we did. And we were able to hit them
28:39
with some different things. You know, the thing that I like
28:42
the most you were talking about, you know the the front seven
28:46
there, we, we attacked them early and often.
28:48
They really had to keep Sanker in the box most of the game to
28:53
stop that. And I think that's what opened
28:55
up some of the deep stuff that that kept him in a spot where he
28:58
was having to kind of play in, in a conflict situation whether
29:01
I'm going to support the run, support the pass.
29:04
So it really kept them off balance and didn't let let
29:06
Sanker kind of. Yeah, he he was still out there.
29:10
He was a tackling machine but he was in a spot where he was in
29:12
conflict the whole game. He got dragged into the end
29:16
zone. He did get dragged into, he did
29:19
get dragged into the end zone. Felton did that to him and that
29:22
was that 84 yarder and and again I think it's Shelton is a big
29:26
explosive play guy. P If if you don't know Shelton,
29:29
I know. I follow your guys stuff.
29:31
I God, he he follows it so close.
29:34
But on Saturday, I mean, we think about it, that's 35 points
29:38
or it's 28 points between the Gosdale 44 yarder.
29:42
Then you got the Holloway on that little fake trick.
29:44
By the way, they studied that XTB play last week so hard that
29:48
when they act like they were running to him, the whole
29:50
defense went to him and Tucker just had a lane.
29:52
It was just like Kyron got to stand in and try to act like he
29:56
was blocking. He.
29:58
Just skipping. He was skipping.
30:00
He was a little shuffle, little shuffle, just getting loose.
30:03
I'm so happy for Tucker, for that, that touchdown, man.
30:06
Wearing the 25 and everything like that was that was very
30:09
cool. And you're right, man.
30:10
They they thought they read it. But they read it wrong.
30:14
They read it completely wrong. But it's it's having those guys
30:18
like that and that is what what has been missing for years at
30:23
Virginia Tech is having the multiple explosive guys.
30:27
And and we saw how well that this staff recruited in the
30:32
portal last year with Tootin, with Felton, with Jalen Lang,
30:36
where all those guys that at any point in time they can pop a big
30:40
one on you. And that changes the dynamic of
30:42
a team. You don't have to plot every
30:44
time. There is not enough teams in
30:46
this country good enough to take it and go 10 plays, 75 yards
30:51
every single time. With eight yard, 12 yard plays,
30:55
you have to hit home runs. And and not every You can't.
30:59
You can't be late to late, late 2000s Wisconsin.
31:02
Every. Damn.
31:03
Time, especially not us. No, no, we ain't got the.
31:07
We ain't got the Joe's to do that.
31:09
All right, Well, y'all. What did y'all think about
31:10
Kyron's performance? I mean, my guy, he's my guy,
31:15
man. I mean he, he does what he's
31:17
supposed to do. I think you mentioned it
31:19
earlier. You know, I got between a couple
31:21
of different chats and you know, groups and things like that.
31:27
Somebody said on one of his runs where he had opportunity to go
31:30
out of bounce. And somebody said, man, he needs
31:34
to get out. You know, he doesn't need to.
31:36
He didn't need to try to run people over.
31:38
He doesn't need. That's how he plays.
31:40
He's been playing like this. You know what I'm saying?
31:43
Like as a football player, you can't think this is the play.
31:46
I'm going to get hurt. You know what I'm saying?
31:48
I just don't think that's in his DNA.
31:50
You know what? I'm I'm not in his head, but I'm
31:52
watching him play. He knows when he needs to get
31:55
down. He knows when he needs to get
31:56
out of bounds. But like sometimes, man, that
31:59
mentality that he brings to the offense, it's just.
32:01
You can't really put it on paper.
32:03
You know what I mean? You can't really say this is a
32:05
stat, but it'll be a run because you know in every game you can
32:09
go to a run where he just wants to punish the defense.
32:13
And I'm sure he walks back to the to the huddle and say, did
32:16
you see what I did to these motherfuckers?
32:17
Like, they ain't. They don't want to smoke for
32:20
real. They ain't you when you got your
32:22
quarterback that has that kind of confidence.
32:25
It exudes through your whole offense, even when you a fucking
32:27
sucky offensive lineman, when you got a quarterback behind you
32:31
that's talking like that and then he has that kind of
32:33
confidence. It does give you a little bit of
32:35
Nope. It lost you there, Tally.
32:40
Yeah. Well, Brian, you got something
32:42
on this. Yeah, I was just going to say
32:44
like, he's smart with it too. The way he attacks, when he,
32:48
when he decides whether he's going to run through a guy or
32:50
not, man, Because you see it and.
32:54
When he does that, he's he knows that he has the leverage.
32:57
So he he's the guy that's bringing the impact.
33:00
He's not meeting a guy that's coming at him full speed.
33:03
He's meeting the guy that's standing there broke down and
33:06
he's going to run through him and I think so.
33:08
So it's very selective with how he does that, but it definitely
33:11
is a a way to have that mental edge against the defense when
33:17
you do it like that. And there's if there's ever a
33:19
game to send a message and not go out of bounds.
33:23
It's the last game of the year against your rival.
33:25
Let it. Let it all hang out, man.
33:26
Like, unless you're going to knock yourself out of the game,
33:30
Logan Thomas style. Getting getting a concussion
33:32
against UCLA. Like, yeah, send a message
33:34
because it's the last game of the year.
33:36
Run yourself into the ground because you ain't playing for
33:38
three weeks. You might not play again if you
33:40
don't win the game. So I loved it.
33:42
I thought Carmen played a great game.
33:44
I don't care that his percentage was what, under 59?
33:48
Yeah, because. 30% of his completions went for touchdowns
33:52
and he made the throws he absolutely needed to make and
33:55
they were perfect. The the throw to Lane that
33:58
didn't count was perfect. The throw.
34:01
The throw to Felton that did count was perfect.
34:03
The Gosnell throw was perfect. Like 244 yards on 10 completions
34:10
like that is absolutely ridiculous.
34:12
I know the 84 yarder helps, but he had 50 yards rushing too, so
34:15
we're talking about. Around 300 yards from that guy
34:20
on basically 7 plays that that did something, that's that's
34:25
incredible production. He's a gamer, man.
34:26
He's a gamer. He is a gamer and it's.
34:29
And by the way, I don't know if y'all mention this.
34:31
Sorry I had to step offline there for a moment.
34:33
No UV as quarterback did not outplay him.
34:35
No. If you want, let's just look at
34:38
QBR really quick. Oh yeah, well he threw for just
34:41
as many yards and almost as many touchdowns.
34:43
QBR was 73.2 for Kyron and 21.7 for Anthony Colundry.
34:50
Yeah, he didn't. Watchers telling us who played
34:52
better in this game or something like, did you watch the game?
34:54
No, they didn't. They didn't.
34:55
They just wanted to try to talk their boy up.
34:57
Yeah, it's it's always fun when people look at stats and then
35:00
like, Oh well, the stats actually say that he had a
35:02
better game too. Like, what do you did you watch
35:05
the game? Did You're not even looking,
35:07
You're not even looking at stats correctly?
35:10
Yeah, exactly. All right.
35:12
Another couple quick things to play.
35:15
Run game was awesome Tooting 7 + a carry on top of that 94 touch
35:20
94 kickoff return touchdown and then and you know the run game
35:28
just again why I feel like I'm reminiscing.
35:30
Again we had a run game all year like all year 252 Saturday.
35:38
So if we even just let's just throw out the 117 and the the 50
35:43
from Kyron. We had other guys getting close
35:46
to 100 yards in numerous and various ways and again, it just
35:50
when you go almost 7 to KF feels awesome.
35:53
Yeah, yeah, that's a team. It was like 6.8, correct?
35:57
I mean, 6.8, we were able to just push them around.
36:00
And you're right, Curtis, I think about the Purdue game and
36:05
the Marshall game in particular all year because they were so
36:09
winnable. And if we had had this offense
36:11
from the beginning with Kyron, what could have been?
36:14
At the same time, we're not going to a New Year 6 either way
36:18
and we would have been in a bowl either way.
36:20
So it's kind of all right, but I'm glad that we got to this
36:23
point. I wish I had started a little
36:24
earlier, but it was a thing of beauty for the wins that we had.
36:28
The run game was working perfectly that in the
36:30
second-half of the year like for the offensive line that's in
36:34
front of these guys and and God, God bless these these kids that
36:37
play a line, but it's not the best unit and we know that.
36:42
We made the most of it in in these ACC wins, 1000% and and
36:49
for the offensive line you mentioned earlier, Pete, you
36:52
know I'm trying to get Brown on here but he had a step off like
36:54
I did. But that was, in my opinion,
36:58
that was the best game they played all year in every aspect.
37:01
Run game, pass blocking. They gave up no sack and it just
37:05
like you said, Pete, we were physical up front.
37:08
It like got mentally into their heads.
37:10
Go get these guys, grab them and push them out of the way.
37:16
Yeah, it was. It was good to see you this kind
37:18
of what Internet was going in and out there for a minute.
37:21
But I think I would have heard Pete talking about was when you
37:24
look back at something like the even the ODU game, I think we
37:29
had 100 yards rushing as a team. You know, you look at the Purdue
37:33
game, we had like 30 yards rushing at 18.
37:37
No, we had, we had like we had like 12 railroad.
37:39
It was like 11 or 12, Yeah, 1111 I.
37:43
Mean and you think about those teams now at the end of the
37:45
year, it's like Purdue is not a great.
37:48
They're not a good team. They finished last and you look
37:51
at the. Worst.
37:52
Division and you. Yeah.
37:53
And you. And then you look at it too.
37:55
And then you look at what he brings to the to the field and
37:57
you're like, what were we thinking?
37:59
What were we doing? You know, and it's just what I
38:02
don't want to put so much on on on Kyron's shoulders, but it's
38:05
just little things that he does like his footwork.
38:09
I never seen us run the play where he where he, like Cupid,
38:13
shuffles to the sideline and tosses it and we get in two and
38:16
gets on the edge. Every time we run that play he's
38:19
get like 10 yards, you know, every now and then instead of
38:22
Kyron tossing it, he'll just hold it and then he goes for
38:25
1012 yards. It's, it's.
38:28
More than his. Physical ability.
38:31
It's more than the way he plays, it's more than the way he runs.
38:33
It's the belief that he can get us a win.
38:36
I I honestly believe that when we started hooker in that 2019
38:39
year and we will make the comparison one last time, the
38:43
team didn't all the sudden get way better.
38:45
Like the the entire team started playing better because they
38:48
believed they had a guy who could win.
38:51
And that is really what happened to this team post Marshall.
38:55
Is they're like, you know what, I think this this guy might have
38:58
it and they all play harder because they think they had a
39:01
chance. Like, there's been so many
39:03
examples of this in sports, but I'll give you 1 real quick.
39:06
Steve Carlton back in the day for the Phillies awful year, he
39:09
won 20 games because every time he pitched the team thought they
39:13
could win. They might have won 60 games the
39:15
entire season, but twenty of them were one Carlton pitch.
39:18
That's what Kyron gives us. That's.
39:21
Crazy Ryan. We were talking about the
39:23
offensive line here and from our perspective and again, it's my
39:27
unknowing eye. Tally's kind of knowing eye
39:30
because he played in tight end. He knew things that have to be
39:32
best offensive line performance. All year, Yeah, definitely the
39:36
best all year. I mean, especially when you look
39:40
at relatively competition, it's kind of hard to, you know, make
39:42
that judgement, you know, across the board there.
39:44
But in terms of just raw output, yeah, that was that was the best
39:48
they played all year. There really wasn't any.
39:52
Presence of that team in the backfield.
39:55
We were consistently moving guys off the ball.
39:57
The run game was working, whether it was going to Tuden,
40:01
you know a few carries there for for Thomas.
40:03
We had you know obviously drones got involved in the running game
40:06
there as well. So we were really kind of doing
40:09
whatever we wanted to for for most of the game.
40:13
You know, I don't think they really had a tackle for loss
40:15
until like the late third quarter or something like that.
40:18
So it was it was a really impressive performance.
40:22
Like I said, when you look at the overall picture that that
40:27
wasn't a very good front seven. If if if Sanker wasn't in the
40:31
box, we could have really gutted that team, he.
40:35
Was all they had. Man, that guy.
40:38
And the key is good. Robinson, him and Sanker and
40:41
Robinson are not going to be there all four years.
40:44
They're not. And Sanker.
40:46
'S a very good player. Let's see if we can get the Cam
40:48
Robinson to come. Yeah, up 64, a little bit down
40:51
81. Where he should have been to
40:55
begin with. All right, real quick.
40:56
I'm going to start with Pete. Pete, in your eyes, both sides
41:00
of the ball, what went bad in your eyes?
41:02
I did mention the false start in the third and one first first
41:05
drive, and that happened against BC happened in this game both
41:08
games. We ended up romping later on
41:10
because we showed an ability to move the ball Despite that
41:12
penalty. Again, I'd say third down.
41:16
It wasn't as big of a deal in this game because we were able
41:19
to just get on top of them and whatever.
41:21
Third down has been a problem all year.
41:22
It wasn't a great percentage in this game either.
41:24
I think we were 6 or 15 or maybe whatever it was below 50% I
41:29
believe, so that could be better.
41:32
I'm not going to rag on the red zone because we scored so many
41:34
touchdowns from far away and I don't want to take any anyone
41:38
else's. What do you guys got in terms of
41:40
the what we could do better. You know, I I think we probably
41:45
got a little out of hand with the roughing the passer there,
41:48
especially on you know one or two drives in a row.
41:50
But I I think like I said, it was a good tone setter like
41:55
because I feel like from then on out like they they really knew
41:58
that. All right it's not our day.
42:00
It's not our day but you know at some point you don't want to
42:03
hurt yourself. Really got them into field goal
42:06
range. Thankfully a bad play by them
42:09
and a very good play by our defense got them back out of
42:11
field goal range, so. Yep.
42:13
What about you, Tally? I mean, the only thing you
42:16
really can point to is penalties.
42:17
You know, I think we had over 100 yards in penalty.
42:20
So between jumping offsides or hitting the, hitting the
42:24
quarterback late or celebrating with the fans, all that stuff's
42:29
great because you're winning 55 to 17.
42:31
But as a whole, you know what I mean?
42:33
Like if you just want to say what went bad like.
42:37
We don't need 100 yards in penalties.
42:38
We know a lot of times when we play, teams especially like
42:41
going into a bowl game, not knowing who we play.
42:43
We don't need to get that many penalties.
42:45
Did any of you guys mention the fumble?
42:47
I was getting ready to say it. Yeah, that's sorry.
42:50
Goal line again, it's something we have not seen Kyron do a lot
42:54
this year other than like the first game with Rutgers.
42:57
But I mean we we look at him like this could have been 60 and
43:01
if we didn't take our foot off the gas pedal it might have been
43:03
70 and like. And and again but and sometimes
43:08
you in a game like this, you hope stuff like that happens
43:11
because I think someone like Iron Drones watch the next time
43:14
he runs down at the goal line. I guarantee you that thing will
43:17
be extra secure because all year we've seen him, if you've made
43:20
mistakes, the next time you're like, you know what he's cleaned
43:24
that up a little bit like, it's like he sees it.
43:27
I'm not going to do that again. That hurts my team and I love
43:30
seeing that. All righty.
43:31
So I'm going to let Pete. This is our this is the fun one.
43:36
Pete, did anything happen you were completely not prepared
43:39
for? You know, I wasn't I wasn't
43:44
prepared for A50 Burger. I honestly wasn't like I I did
43:49
not think we haven't blown out UVA since 2016.
43:54
Before that it was basically since 2011.
43:57
So I was, I was just not prepared for for the I was
44:01
expecting and I said it on our podcast.
44:04
A three and a half hour stomach ache.
44:06
I was expecting to be stressed out the whole time and so that's
44:10
what I wasn't prepared. Prepared for.
44:11
Just like UVA not showing up and us absolutely being ready for
44:16
the moment. Siegel, I think you've got
44:19
something similar, right? Yeah.
44:21
I mean, I was not expecting to shellac their ass for four
44:24
quarters. I was expecting.
44:26
I picked us to win. Was it 30 to 20?
44:29
I think it's what I said. So, I mean, I was expecting us
44:32
to have it in hand, but it was going to be something where I
44:36
was kind of sweating the whole way.
44:39
I did not expect us to go out there and beat them 5517.
44:43
I didn't expect the type of tone setting on both sides of the
44:47
ball that we saw. I didn't expect them to
44:49
completely shit in their shoes like they did.
44:53
So you know, not not even shit the pants.
44:56
If you're shitting in your shoes, that's a fucking.
44:58
Thing. Talent.
44:58
What about you? Because that was a good one.
45:03
Pretty good. Yeah, I I wasn't expecting.
45:06
I mean, why don't you not tell him?
45:08
I knew he had some speed and I knew he had some talent, but I
45:11
didn't expect. I watched UVA play a couple of
45:14
times this year and they looked competent against some teams.
45:17
Even in some losses, they've lost a lot of close games,
45:20
mainly because they're a young team.
45:21
I didn't. I didn't expect us to look like.
45:24
So overpowering and so fast. Like when you have a, when you
45:29
have a your running back that runs a a kickoff back and he
45:33
starts celebrating and throttles down at the 30 yard line like
45:37
you are faster than that team. You know 84 yard, 84 yard
45:42
touchdown with with Felton who is 65.
45:46
I don't even know how much he weighs.
45:48
Like he's he he catches the ball kind of in traffic and just
45:52
pulls away. You know it it is crazy to me to
45:56
see how much faster we were than them.
45:58
And I think, I don't think like on paper with that much faster
46:01
than them. I just think that they didn't.
46:03
They didn't have a will to win like it was gone.
46:07
I I totally agree, man. You think about those 3 plays
46:10
that you mentioned in every single one and you actually you
46:13
didn't mention the lane. Call you back.
46:16
I mean, he had two or three guys in front of him.
46:19
And split right through Felton, same thing.
46:21
And Tootin had some blockers but still like we looked so much
46:27
more athletic and faster than them and that without, you're
46:30
right I wasn't totally prepared for that because since they're
46:33
bye week UVA has played very, very well and knocked off UNC.
46:37
They almost knocked off Louisville.
46:39
They they played a really tough game to overtime with Miami.
46:42
So they beat Duke exactly as Robert has pointed out, like.
46:47
I there was a lot of things in that regard and it's similar to
46:50
what me and Brian said that we just didn't expect.
46:53
I'm going to tell you what I what I didn't expect, y'all is
46:56
and it's on the off defensive line what they did.
46:59
I can see that happening. I didn't expect the offensive
47:01
line to play the way they did the off.
47:04
But Brian you've been Brian's been saying the last couple
47:06
weeks and some games like that things are clicking they they
47:09
don't look as slow. Yeah, false starts.
47:12
But Brian, you've kind of been saying like?
47:14
Something's happening. Something's happening with the
47:17
younger guys. It's it's just slowly, it's a
47:20
slow ground. You get a coach in March, that's
47:22
the way it's going to happen. But I didn't expect us to
47:25
dominate the trenches. If you say, hey, we had a good
47:28
game, we rushed for 200 yards. We, you know, we we, we gave up
47:31
a couple sacks. We played good.
47:34
No, we dominated. We dominated.
47:37
And that's, you know, that's when it goes, that's when it
47:42
goes to. Mentality and I'm going to we
47:45
got a question here from Derek. Yeah.
47:48
I'm on this question, man. I'm.
47:51
Going to put this up and I'm going to Pete because you're our
47:54
guest. I'm going to let you go last so
47:55
you can think about it, Brian, what's better, Ryan Williams
47:58
versus State, Felton against FUVA.
48:00
You know what? I got to go, Felton, just
48:02
because it was against UVA, man. Tally.
48:07
I mean, it's hard to compare those two because Ryan Williams
48:11
ran somebody over. You know what I'm saying?
48:13
Like in the middle of the field he he runs somebody over and
48:16
then you got and then you got Felton drag somebody into the
48:20
end zone and then hops up and starts dumping on the other
48:23
player. Like you know what I'm saying?
48:25
And then and then walks up to him and starts talking junk and
48:28
the guy doesn't even turn around.
48:29
So I it's hard, man. It's hard to pick.
48:32
But I I'd have to go Felton. I I you know, I'm going to say a
48:36
little sweetness, Ryan Williams because.
48:39
The way he had Earl Wolfe sliding on his butt like that
48:42
was so embarrassing. That was the guy, right?
48:45
Earl Wolfe and he. Took him right into the end
48:48
zone. He was incredible.
48:50
To Tally's point, he ran him over and then he grabbed the
48:52
jersey. You usually see that at the
48:54
like. It was like it wasn't like the
48:55
three or four. It was like at the 8.
48:58
And he grabbed him and pulled him and Williams just.
49:01
I'm I was born and raised in the country it looked like a tractor
49:04
pull because Williams body went up and it was just like no I'm
49:07
going to just keep dragging you until I get the touchdown.
49:09
So we're split on that but great question there.
49:12
I we usually do this because we have things to look forward to.
49:16
But I mean I'm, I'm going to kind of put a retrospective on
49:21
this if if you told me, if you told us after Marshall that we
49:26
would be making a bowl that the only teams that we lost to.
49:30
Were a combined and I got to do the record in my head real
49:33
quick. What, 23 or 32 and six?
49:39
That's the only teams we lost to Y'all.
49:41
They're combined 32 and five. I do the math right?
49:46
No, hold on, you got you got a game in there somewhere.
49:49
Yeah, odd number, so that that's definitely not right.
49:52
We. Lost two We lost zero.
49:55
Louisville's lost 2. That's two.
49:57
State lost 331 and five. That's the only three teams.
50:01
We've lost two after Marshall. Yeah, and you can say, well, you
50:04
played the bottom of the conference, But you know what?
50:07
Sheldon sent me this and y'all seen it out there.
50:09
They're only like 7 teams that beat 5 conference opponents by
50:12
17 plus points. We're.
50:14
Wanting I was arguing with some SEC fans early on Facebook and
50:19
they was telling me how bad the the ACC sucks and things like
50:22
that. They was telling me that Florida
50:24
State wasn't getting in. Over blah, blah, blah.
50:26
And I was like, you do understand if they go undefeated
50:29
they're going to get in. But this they have.
50:31
I say Florida State has as much money as these people that y'all
50:35
are naming. And on top of that go check the
50:39
go check the stuff from this year.
50:41
The SEC against the ACC is ACC is 6.
50:46
The SEC is 4. I think it's like, so you're
50:50
telling me how bad the ACC substitute that beating the
50:53
mighty SEC. No disrespect, LSU.
50:57
Do they be week 13? I argue.
51:00
With them, I argue with them every, like every time I go to
51:03
the barbershop, we have the same talk and maybe Florida without
51:06
their starting quarterback man. And let.
51:09
Let's also talk about, since we're talking about going
51:11
bowling, let's talk about the ACC with the most bowl teams
51:14
this. Year.
51:15
I think we got 12 teams, right? Of the P5, that is correct.
51:18
We are 11 bowl teams. Only the Sunbelt has more
51:22
because. JMU got in on on the on, on.
51:26
The type of card, not. Enough.
51:28
Not enough teams eligible, but the entire Eastern Division,
51:31
including our first opponent ODU, is bowl eligible.
51:35
And is the only what is the only teams not bowl eligible that we
51:38
played this year. There's a couple.
51:41
Three, Yeah. The only team we lost to that's
51:43
not bowl eligible is Perdue. Yes.
51:45
Yes, it's craziness. Well, let's keep going and talk
51:47
about a few other things because I think we're going late this
51:50
night, boys. Let's talk about the All ACC.
51:53
First of all, there are no Hokies on the first team.
51:57
I'm sure y'all all saw that and who got OK Where's the bigger
52:03
robbery? And I'll start with Pete.
52:05
Here is the bigger robbery. Actually there's three.
52:07
So APR being a second teamer, defensive line basial to be a
52:15
second teamer all-purpose, even though he's 27th in the country,
52:19
third in the conference, and he's the only one with all the
52:21
all-purpose yards. Or is it Dorian Strong Thirteen?
52:25
We saw Treadmill Horse put some data out there.
52:28
Other people put the PFF data out there.
52:31
Where's the bigger robbery? I think APR is the biggest
52:34
robbery and and the reason why is because you can make the
52:37
argument that people didn't throw on us enough or at Dorian
52:43
enough to warrant him getting on first team.
52:46
I might be able to buy this. I think he should be first team,
52:49
to be clear. But I think APR, just by putting
52:51
up 9 1/2 sacks and being at the top of the conference on AD line
52:55
that was at the top of the conference, he should have got
52:58
recognized as first team. I think that is BS especially.
53:01
I know there's some, there's some very good pass rushers in
53:04
the ACC, NC State and FSU and whatnot.
53:08
But you put up those kind of numbers, you have some of the
53:10
games that he had and all the pressure that he brought.
53:13
I feel like APR is the biggest snub, but I'll let you guys make
53:17
a case for anybody else. Callie Who you got?
53:20
Who's the biggest snub? It's hard to pick, man.
53:23
But you know, I I would have to say APR as well.
53:26
You know, the two thing kind of kind of bothers me because you
53:29
know, they got Keon Coleman on that, which is the offseason.
53:32
Great player, but they got him on there like 3 different
53:34
things. You know what I'm saying?
53:36
It's just like, oh, just 'cause he's on Florida State, we're
53:38
going, we're going to suck his Dick and put him on, put him on
53:41
this, this and this. Like 3 different spots.
53:44
Really. You know what I'm saying?
53:46
And like, I think he was on there as a return and he had no
53:48
touchdowns. How do you get on this return?
53:51
I don't think he had any touchdowns.
53:52
Tooting tied for the national lead with two return touchdowns.
53:57
I mean, I know, look, I know it's the difference between 1:00
54:00
and 2:00 or zero. It's not very much.
54:02
It is very much. Those are very hard to score.
54:06
That's very hard to score. You know what I'm saying?
54:08
They've changed things so you can't score.
54:10
They want people to Kick It Out of the back of the end zone.
54:12
So when you get an opportunity and you go score, you know, like
54:16
that, That's a big accomplishment.
54:17
So. He got, he got choked up, he got
54:25
choked up, I got messed up. Kind of like Robbie said with
54:29
APR stats alone or just, you know, So I think they should
54:32
have got in first team. Yep.
54:33
He's AI mean. He's a top ten.
54:35
He's a top ten in the country, sax top ten in the country.
54:38
That's great. Is that working on favor though,
54:40
Curtis with him not getting that first?
54:43
Oh my. God, yes.
54:45
Yes. I think it works in our favor.
54:47
I think it works motivationally, wise in our favor.
54:49
I do not want to be the quarterback, whoever we play in
54:51
that bowl game. Siegler, yours.
54:56
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with Dorian Strong here.
54:59
When you think about shut down corners and and and Pete brought
55:02
this up, you know him not getting that many targets.
55:06
Part of being a very good corner is not letting guys get open
55:09
where you're going to throw the ball their direction.
55:13
So if you are locking up guys like that and it's not just the
55:18
target, so the targets are low, sure, but the targets are are
55:21
not significantly lower than the two guys on first team.
55:24
Look at the percentage, the the, the, the catch percentage.
55:28
It's crazy. It's like 28%.
55:31
It's insane. And that was lower, lower, 4/4
55:36
and 1/2 percentage points lower than the one of the other first
55:39
teamers. And he had three interceptions,
55:45
3 interceptions. The other one of the others on
55:47
first team had five. I think the other one had I
55:50
think one or two. So interception wise, completion
55:56
percentage wise, yardage he he's leading in all of those
56:00
categories. Like I said the interception is
56:02
the only one where he doesn't have as much as any of the other
56:05
two first teamers. He he's in second in that case
56:07
definitely should have been one of the the the two two players
56:10
on first team. I I.
56:13
You know what? You know what it might be?
56:16
It might be the the 40. The 44 might be doing it.
56:19
Man get get that man a single digit.
56:22
Give him a single digit. Yeah, Tally's hated that 44 all,
56:25
all, and now it's costing him time.
56:27
I'm going to go last year and by the way, that is our coach Buddy
56:31
Robbie Compton out there. So always, always following.
56:35
He's got great Internet. Now he's going to chime in so
56:38
much when he's not coaching there.
56:39
I loved when you guys had him on.
56:41
What was that over the summer? Maybe that was.
56:43
That was a great episode. Robbie's great, man.
56:46
Robbie, I mean, I mean, all I can say is Robbie's got a guy
56:50
playing in the NFL now. So, I mean, you don't, you don't
56:54
get to do that. All right, I'm going to go mine.
56:56
And I kind of tipped it off a little bit.
56:58
What I said to Pete, there is spatial tune.
57:00
It's the AP is the all-purpose player.
57:04
Facial Tune is 27th in the country, the throat clear.
57:07
You know what's getting to. This basial tune is 27th in the
57:11
country with 14136 all-purpose yards.
57:16
There are only two ACC players who are ahead of him.
57:19
Talk to him, Kurt. One is Malachi Washington.
57:23
Malachi Washington. Did not even break 300 yards on
57:26
kickoff returns this year. He had very minimal rushing
57:30
yards. That's not all-purpose.
57:32
You're a great receiver. Yes.
57:34
The other one is O'marion Hampton from North Carolina.
57:39
Over 1400 yards rushing, only about 200 yards catching the
57:44
ball. Basial Tootin Keon Coleman.
57:46
Let's not even get into that 700 passing yards.
57:49
Like 150 rushing in. Like 300 punt return yards.
57:53
Not even close. He's not even on the first page
57:56
of the data board. Here's our boys 727 rushing
58:01
yards, 220 receiving yards, 489 kickoff return yards.
58:08
He did not even have 200 plays to get 1400 yards this year.
58:13
Crazy. And you know what, Curtis?
58:15
It's not even does O line not factor in.
58:20
That would be my contention is that you look at those numbers
58:24
and then take into account the old lines the other guys are
58:27
playing behind and what Tootin's playing behind.
58:29
It has to play a factor and our just our roster strength in
58:33
general. I believe it got significantly
58:35
better than last year, but to put up all that all-purpose
58:38
yardage. With a with a roster and
58:40
swapping quarterbacks a few games into the year, it is
58:43
absolutely impressive and he should be on that.
58:45
First, let's let's talk about He pretty much started the season
58:49
with a hand behind his back in those first two to three
58:52
outings. Yeah.
58:54
He was breaking 10 tackles for one yard.
58:58
He looked like Pacheco out there, man.
59:01
I would love to get that data of how many he broke this year,
59:05
because he broke a ton and I'd love to do it as.
59:07
This oh, you got to check out the the Doug Bowman article on
59:10
247. Just put one out and it was like
59:13
we broke a ridiculous amount of tackles and and yards after
59:17
catch and everything. That that article was really
59:19
good. Just show you who put it out.
59:21
Player Doug. It was Doug.
59:23
Yeah, he said, he said. I think in that article it said
59:26
two broke like 61 tackles and and last year.
59:31
I think we were led by Keyshawn King, who broke like 19.
59:36
You know, it was, it was a crazy different number for what what
59:39
they did. This is a great point here,
59:41
probably brought up. Think about that.
59:44
He put those sort of numbers up with drones getting up.
59:47
There were games where drones were doing a lot of carrying
59:49
too, so that's even more impressive.
59:51
Again, they screwed up. They got some right, don't get
59:54
me wrong, they got some right. But they definitely screwed.
59:56
I think at least two of our guys out of first team, and I think
59:58
Dorian at least should have been.
59:59
What about John Love? Shouldn't he be first team?
1:00:01
He's like 9th in the country in field goal percentage.
1:00:04
Is love even only hold on? I think I don't know mentioned
1:00:06
mention got. I don't mentioned he's like, I
1:00:09
think he's second in the ACC. Yeah, he should have been at
1:00:11
least second team. So it's a lot of things.
1:00:14
All right. I got to turn to a little bit of
1:00:15
sad news here and this is going to become a segment from here on
1:00:19
out and it is going to be discussion of the portal.
1:00:22
We're going to have to give it and to take it away.
1:00:24
And unfortunately Brian, sorry, right there I'm.
1:00:28
I'm I'm going to survive, man, because this is Brian's boy day.
1:00:32
Quality and the poor went out earlier.
1:00:33
Well, yeah. Is that where you went a little
1:00:35
bit earlier? Did you go ahead?
1:00:36
Because you knew we were going to talk about it?
1:00:37
Had it. Given my cat was throwing up on
1:00:39
the carpet, oh wow. We had also had issues tonight.
1:00:43
My boss, she's now passed out over here on her bed, so she's
1:00:46
good. I don't know what was going on,
1:00:48
but Daquan right enters the portal third this year in both
1:00:52
receptions and receiving yards for Tech.
1:00:56
There are some things, and I'm not going to mention what I've
1:00:58
heard, but the apparently there's some things going on in
1:01:03
other parts of his life that potentially could be affecting
1:01:06
this. It seems like this may be an
1:01:07
amicable split. I hope it is, but it hurts
1:01:11
because I mean that guy he, he's growing.
1:01:15
I mean he got better as a blocker.
1:01:17
Brian, you mentioned several times this year he's he's
1:01:19
showing better. It stinks and.
1:01:24
Well, you know, there's there's the rule that you can only have
1:01:26
one Daquan on a team and we already had Felton and like we
1:01:29
already broke that rule for one season.
1:01:31
So he's got to go, unfortunately.
1:01:33
But I, I he was such a good playmaker for us in a spot of
1:01:38
need because we lost Gallo before the year and we needed
1:01:42
some guys at tight end to step up and him and Benji.
1:01:44
Kind of traded off on that role and while at times their
1:01:48
blocking was a little subpar, they were very good playmakers
1:01:52
and and Daquan Wright will be missed.
1:01:54
Definitely. Yeah, I mean, he's that kind of
1:01:58
guy that gives you a lot of matchup nightmares.
1:02:00
I know we didn't use them in the red zone a lot, but in the
1:02:03
middle of the field, when you can match him up against a
1:02:07
linebacker, match him up against the safety, I mean, he was
1:02:10
really, he could really eat. On those crossers, those deep
1:02:13
crossers, he was doing a lot of good things in, in those areas,
1:02:17
just really giving drones a target in the middle of the
1:02:20
field. So that's going to be missed big
1:02:22
time. I'm really little little torn up
1:02:26
about it, but I like what we have in in in in Benji Gosnell.
1:02:31
I feel like he's going to be a guy that can step into that
1:02:33
role. I just think that when you talk
1:02:36
about the the, the things that show up on a stat sheet.
1:02:41
I feel like right ceiling was significantly higher than what
1:02:44
we probably will get out of Benji.
1:02:45
But in terms of overall what a tight end has to do, probably
1:02:49
Benji would be the better player in that just because I think his
1:02:52
blocking overall is better and you can use him in line a lot
1:02:57
more than you can use Daquan, right, 100%, right.
1:03:01
We've been going an hour here and we're still not to the break
1:03:04
because we've got to talk about next year.
1:03:06
We've got to talk about there's already some guys we know are
1:03:09
not coming back, some medical situations, we got some COVID
1:03:13
year stuff. This is a huge shout out.
1:03:16
David Cunningham from tech sideline, Brian got in touch
1:03:19
with him and he was able to provide us with this and there
1:03:24
are five guys that they're done. There's no way they can come
1:03:28
back. It's Mario Kendricks, Norell
1:03:31
Pollard, Darius Payne. That's a lot of defensive
1:03:33
tackles right there. Tisdale and Nasir Peoples.
1:03:39
What y'all's feels? I mean, I feel like Tally, you
1:03:42
joked earlier, it does feel like Pollard's been here like 19
1:03:45
years, Kendricks, but I mean, I think we we I say that right
1:03:51
there. Y'all got to say it.
1:03:53
We we've got to go get some guys in the portal for defensive
1:03:55
tackle without a doubt. Yeah.
1:03:58
I mean the go ahead, Pete, I'll let you run.
1:04:01
Go first. I'm sorry Brian I keep I keep
1:04:04
talking over my host here the Fuga like do we have to just
1:04:08
like make sure he comes back is that someone we're like because
1:04:11
at this point it's such a spot of need.
1:04:14
I feel like we want to keep as many that are eligible to come
1:04:16
back in the house because it is. It's going to be rough with it's
1:04:22
it's Payne, Pollard and Kendrick's.
1:04:24
Right. Pollard.
1:04:25
And all three. All three, which is, Which
1:04:30
leaves just Fuga and Panay as guys who play significant
1:04:33
repetitions this year. That's it.
1:04:35
A lot of young guys who have, you know, you got like Gunnard
1:04:41
Givens, you got Lamar Law. I'm missing one here.
1:04:44
Malachi Madison. But they didn't get the reps and
1:04:48
you. Yeah.
1:04:48
I was going to say you were so pretty deep in that in that
1:04:51
defensive tackle spot, you didn't get a lot of young guys
1:04:54
reps that were significant, so. I mean, just got to pray that
1:04:58
the portal giveth. We got to go get some people out
1:05:01
of the portal to fill some of those spots, some older guys
1:05:04
that's ready to play. Got to have at least two
1:05:08
defensive tackles in the portal that are ready to play and
1:05:11
that's if you know Fuga decides to come back.
1:05:14
And I feel like at this point, as Pete alluded to, you got to
1:05:18
do as much as you can to get him back because even if he's not
1:05:20
your your frontline player. Depending on what you get from
1:05:24
the portal, he's certainly somebody that you're going to
1:05:26
want to lean on from a leadership standpoint and from a
1:05:28
depth standpoint next year. Just from knowing the defense,
1:05:31
knowing how to how to handle those situations and also again
1:05:34
from a leadership perspective kind of knowing what it means to
1:05:37
carry the lunch pail and things of that nature.
1:05:39
So having him back I think would be would be clutch.
1:05:45
But yeah, definitely got to hit hit the the portal hard on the D
1:05:49
tackles. Feel like you also probably need
1:05:52
to to grab a Mike linebacker in there with with Tisdale moving
1:05:55
on. You know some of the other guys
1:05:58
having some up and down points of the season where we really
1:06:03
couldn't really find a lot of consistency until kind of the
1:06:05
the back half of the year at that position.
1:06:07
So I'm I'm definitely think that's probably going to be one
1:06:11
that we are targeting as well and.
1:06:14
I guess safety is kind of wait and see.
1:06:16
Obviously we had periods of the season where people's wasn't in
1:06:19
most of the start of the year also coincided with some of the
1:06:22
areas where we were, you know, a little bit more leaky than you
1:06:25
like to be on the back end, especially in the run game.
1:06:28
So do we see some more guys step up that are younger that got
1:06:34
some playing time this year, whether that's a a Jalen Jones
1:06:38
or a? Most Phillips you know do they
1:06:42
take a step in the offseason where you feel comfortable about
1:06:44
that position or you know do you go out there and get another
1:06:47
safety as well to kind of fill in there.
1:06:49
So we really got some decisions to make just in those got that
1:06:53
you know the the guys here that are done, done.
1:06:55
You know all three of those are positions probably of need that
1:06:57
you maybe you at least want to consider if not attacked pretty
1:07:00
hard in the Portal this offseason.
1:07:02
Yeah, 100% on that. With both those groups.
1:07:07
Let's talk about the medical situation.
1:07:08
Nick, you've got Nick Gallo out there who lost this season, you
1:07:12
know, basically never played a down.
1:07:14
And then you get Ollie Jennings. I think the Ollie Jennings
1:07:18
situation, I believe he's coming back.
1:07:21
Full throttle. Hope so.
1:07:23
The, the, the, the tweet that went out, I don't know if it was
1:07:26
last night or today alluded to that being the case, but we
1:07:32
don't have anything that is official, official but.
1:07:35
Based on that, I would say it's a very good chance that we are
1:07:38
getting Ollie Jennings back for a a medical red shirt, a final
1:07:42
season there. And then you know after we
1:07:45
talked about that we got you Nick Gallo as Curtis mentioned
1:07:49
and with with right going. Is that something that we try to
1:07:52
press to get Gallo back for another year?
1:07:54
Is that something that he wants to to kind of move forward with?
1:07:58
And if he doesn't, is that another area where we need to at
1:08:02
least get a guy? That can be a rotational piece
1:08:06
to go alongside Benji Gosnell heading into next year.
1:08:11
Tally, I'll let you go on. This, I mean when you think
1:08:14
about tight ends, if we're talking tight ends.
1:08:18
We're talking tight ends, Tally. Yeah, Nick, Nick Gallo deserves
1:08:23
to to be able to play if he wants to play.
1:08:25
But to come off of an injury and then think about, you know, the
1:08:30
injury that he's had a significant knee injury in the
1:08:32
bend. Taking all these hits these
1:08:34
years, I don't know that he brings this offense, what it
1:08:38
really needs, You know what I'm saying?
1:08:40
I think Benji can bring what Nick Gallo can bring them
1:08:43
together. It's just going to be the same
1:08:44
player. You know what I'm saying?
1:08:45
And what we need is what Wright is.
1:08:48
So I don't know how you go out and find that, You know what I'm
1:08:51
saying? UVA did it a couple of years
1:08:52
ago, which what was his name? Jelani Woods, maybe That fucking
1:08:58
beast that they had at tight end like.
1:09:02
You got to go find somebody like that that's going to be kind of
1:09:04
a a yin and Yang with with with Benji there but what I really
1:09:09
need to see a little off topic pry can you go get your
1:09:13
linebackers use the linebackers guy go get just like a white boy
1:09:17
that's got blood between his eyes like he can look just like
1:09:21
Dax. I just want him to be faster and
1:09:22
a little bit taller, like just go get that person because that
1:09:28
I don't know, man like. UVA always has like 1 crazy
1:09:32
white dude that's like at middle linebacker.
1:09:34
That's just all over the field. And I want to say, you know like
1:09:37
Peyton, Peyton Wilson. I know there's not many of him
1:09:41
in the world, but if there is one, can we go find him?
1:09:45
Like, I just need to see that would that that would drive
1:09:47
Virginia Tech fans crazy. Like they love that they look
1:09:50
Dax what Dax Hollyfield will be a He probably never pays for
1:09:55
anything in Blacksburg just because of what he looks like.
1:09:57
Like he was just. The typical linebacker, you know
1:10:00
what I'm saying? And he did have a very good
1:10:02
senior year and leading up to that you could argue maybe he
1:10:06
didn't live up to his recruiting ranking or as as maybe as we put
1:10:10
it on him like we expected a lot from Dax when he got to got to
1:10:14
Tech. But his senior year was great
1:10:16
and I'm with you Tally like and NC States had a couple like they
1:10:19
had Drake Thomas, and then they went to Payton Hills and they
1:10:21
had them both at the same time. If you could get just one of
1:10:24
those guys, I can think of one that's playing in the state
1:10:27
right now. And no, I'm not talking about
1:10:28
Stone Snyder from last year, which didn't work out so well.
1:10:32
The kid Jason Henderson at ODU I was talking to.
1:10:36
Some of the guys on the. Sun Saturday through Could you
1:10:38
imagine if we got that guy like you know a Scooby right type to
1:10:44
come in here and just make tackles like we?
1:10:47
It would change our defense so dramatically and we desperately.
1:10:51
Need a Mike linebacker? Like a real like.
1:10:54
I'm not sure I see a guy on the roster that is a true Mike right
1:11:00
now and so like that. That's an absolute need.
1:11:03
But just to double back to Gallo real quick, he is walking that
1:11:08
fine line between a thank you for your service card.
1:11:12
And please come back because I can't.
1:11:14
I can't quite decide. I love the Gallo brothers.
1:11:17
They are, they're true bangers for real from Pennsylvania.
1:11:20
Like they I I watched a lot of games with Eric and Philly.
1:11:24
I saw him at the Rutgers game when I was up there.
1:11:26
Absolutely great guy. Eric Gallo, awesome hokey.
1:11:30
And Nick would help us next year.
1:11:32
He would help us. But Harrison St.
1:11:35
Germain, There was some good talk on him back in, you know,
1:11:38
preseason camp or maybe even last year.
1:11:40
And then? Obviously we got, you know,
1:11:43
Benji is is is going to be a stud at some point.
1:11:46
So what do you want to do with the roster spot?
1:11:49
I don't know. But I don't think pride is going
1:11:51
to. He's never going to tell Nick to
1:11:53
walk away. You know he would.
1:11:54
He would take me back in a heartbeat.
1:11:57
I don't know much. I don't know much about the kid.
1:11:59
I've seen him play his high school stuff, which was crazy to
1:12:01
me, kind of how he slid to us. What is it?
1:12:05
Zeke Wimbush. Yeah.
1:12:07
So he's going to like he. His body size and the things he
1:12:11
can do reminds me of what Wright can do.
1:12:13
I just haven't seen him do it on the collegiate level, of course.
1:12:16
But Wright came right in as a freshman and and was able to be
1:12:20
kind of what he is. Zeke has the opportunity to be
1:12:24
in the weight room for a year, so who knows what we get out of
1:12:27
him? I don't know.
1:12:28
I haven't heard a lot of talks about him.
1:12:30
I seen a couple of videos on him before the season and I seen him
1:12:34
play in high school and Lauren Johnson talked about him.
1:12:38
When they played him. When when Highland Springs
1:12:40
played him, and he was, if not the best player on the field, he
1:12:43
was one of the best players on the field against Highland
1:12:45
Springs, which was the best team in the state.
1:12:49
Correct me if I'm wrong, Brian or Curtis, but wasn't Zeke a?
1:12:53
Was he originally supposed to be a Gray shirt that they
1:12:55
ultimately gave a scholarship to for this season?
1:12:57
I think, I think he was more of a lot of upside, but a little
1:13:01
bit of a developmental project. And hey, maybe it got started
1:13:04
early because he got here earlier.
1:13:06
Yeah, he was supposed he wasn't going to be a Gray shirt.
1:13:08
He was going to be a preferred walk on.
1:13:10
And then he he did good enough where they they gave him the
1:13:13
scholarship early and y'all been talking about here.
1:13:16
I'm like over here at, you know, on three looking at the transfer
1:13:20
portal tight ends and being like, who can we get from here?
1:13:23
Who actually makes sense. But we've got some other guys
1:13:26
too. And you know what?
1:13:27
I'm going to do this a little different.
1:13:29
We're not going to talk because we're an hour and 15 in and we
1:13:31
got a lot more to cover with Pete and I I have work tomorrow.
1:13:35
Everybody has to work tomorrow. I don't feel like being here
1:13:37
till midnight. This ain't stay of the program
1:13:39
on a Friday night, which, Pete, we might be sending you a link
1:13:41
to come. All right.
1:13:44
I'd be honored. Yes or no answers.
1:13:46
All. I want to give you the names
1:13:48
these guys are eligible for COVID years.
1:13:49
Y'all ready Grant Wells, Brian. No, no.
1:13:56
OK. We're all a no, I'm a no.
1:13:59
Steven Gosnell, Pete. Yes, White, Iverson Tally.
1:14:06
They froze. The man froze.
1:14:10
Siglo. I'm a yes.
1:14:12
I'm a yes. Tally really likes White Iverson
1:14:15
A lot. Yes.
1:14:15
And notice Steven Gosnell, White Iverson.
1:14:18
Yes. All right.
1:14:20
Jay Lane Tally. Yes.
1:14:25
Yes, thumbs up. Big thumbs up.
1:14:27
Yeah, big thumbs up. Believe it or not, Clayton
1:14:30
Frady, the transfer who came from Gardner Webb, is eligible.
1:14:35
He only played in one game this year, came really late.
1:14:38
Brian, you're the man. You're the offensive lineman.
1:14:44
Whether so, I'm going to say tentative yes, but a lot of this
1:14:48
is going to depend on how many scholarships we are giving to
1:14:52
guys in the transfer portal because if I've already seen us
1:14:55
throw like 3 or 4 offers out there to offensive lineman, so
1:14:58
if that keeps up, I'm a no. Especially if if those transfer
1:15:05
portal players are of a more seasoned caliber than Freddy is.
1:15:10
At this point, the fact that Freddy didn't really come in
1:15:12
here and at least crack that that rotational spot in in a
1:15:17
weak offensive line room doesn't really inspire confidence.
1:15:20
I know he came in late, but, you know, sometimes you just got to,
1:15:24
you got to cut your losses and say, all right, well, we tried.
1:15:27
We're getting into the portal earlier this cycle on the
1:15:30
offensive line train. We are not waiting for the
1:15:33
second window to really get aggressive about going after
1:15:36
offensive lineman like we did last cycle.
1:15:38
So I'm I'm like I said tentative, Yes.
1:15:41
But if we start getting some guys committing to Virginia Tech
1:15:45
in the portal, I say he's one you got to let walk.
1:15:48
Yeah, you put it best when you said cut your losses because
1:15:51
this this was a roulette spin. You just see, hey, could we hit,
1:15:55
you know, red or black on Clayton Frady and we bet black
1:15:58
and hit red like that. That's essentially what happened
1:16:00
here. And like if you this, it's all
1:16:02
it's up to Crook if Crook thinks he can work with them and get
1:16:05
something out of him next year. But this is not a young player
1:16:08
and so if he came in here and couldn't get in on this old
1:16:11
line, I I think we have our answer.
1:16:14
Yep. Clayton Frady Tally the.
1:16:20
Office. No, he said.
1:16:23
He done nothing. So no, I'm I'm a no, I think
1:16:26
that there are some young guys between what we saw from Garrett
1:16:29
what we saw from Brody Meadows. Unless he absolutely turns it on
1:16:34
a we get nothing out of the portal.
1:16:35
Which I don't think. I think we're going to get some
1:16:37
stuff out of the portal. All right, Fuga Tally go.
1:16:43
I got to say yes, we got we don't.
1:16:46
Yes, yes, you said don't go into it.
1:16:48
Yes, we'll just say yes. We don't have the luxury to say
1:16:51
no. It's a yes.
1:16:52
There you go. It's a.
1:16:54
It's a yes. It is a yes and tally.
1:16:56
I know what you're going to say and I'm going to sum it up.
1:16:59
We losing 3 bodies. We only got 5 that played this
1:17:02
year. You can't go into a defensive
1:17:04
tackle room with two, so he has to stay.
1:17:08
I'll go to the next one. Here is Kiante Jenkins.
1:17:10
We've had Kiante on before and I'm yes, it's.
1:17:12
And it's not the Caleb Woodson isn't ready.
1:17:15
There's nobody ready behind Caleb Woodson and at that
1:17:18
position you've got to have somebody, so bring it back
1:17:20
Keonta. I'm a yes. 100%.
1:17:26
Yes, I'm a I'm a yes as well. Yeah, absolutely.
1:17:29
I'm going to do 2. The kicker Hoeven.
1:17:33
Long snapper Pollock. Sorry.
1:17:37
Guys, No, they got. No, I'm good on both of them.
1:17:43
Sorry. It it's it's John loves proven
1:17:46
what he can. It's like we've got a proven
1:17:48
younger long snapper. We got proven kicker, we got a
1:17:50
kickoff specialist. Sorry, this is the interesting
1:17:54
one because I did not know this Derek Canteen can add an
1:17:59
additional year via medical Red Shirt.
1:18:02
Yes. Absolutely, please.
1:18:05
Absolutely A 100% and I'm going to go back to something, Brian
1:18:08
said. Canteen, play some safety this
1:18:11
year. We know we're going to be
1:18:12
probably less in that room that lessens that blow potentially
1:18:16
there big time. Well, we also have got word in
1:18:20
the last, you know 24 to 48 hours that our cornerback room
1:18:24
is a high priority for other teams throughout the throughout
1:18:30
the country. So tampering.
1:18:32
Yeah, it is tampering. So I I would definitely say, you
1:18:38
know, you want to keep as many guys in the building as you can,
1:18:43
so that's a big yes for canteen. All righty.
1:18:46
I'm going to hit these real quick because again, we're
1:18:49
running, we're running super with a lot of times here.
1:18:54
I think over the last week, I think men's hoops has looked
1:18:58
better. Women's has scared me the last.
1:19:02
Week because men's hoop got drilled.
1:19:04
What? Yeah, but decent team.
1:19:08
I mean, FAU was a very good team, but I mean.
1:19:13
So what we saw against Boise and Iowa State is what I hope we
1:19:17
would see for most of the year. What we saw against FAU is not
1:19:22
what I want to ever see again this year because aside aside,
1:19:27
like I knew they were going to score some points.
1:19:30
I was very disappointed in our offensive output and I know we
1:19:36
live and die by the three, but at some point you got to shoot
1:19:40
better than that. Yeah.
1:19:43
Have you ever? Seen us get whipped like that.
1:19:45
It's like when coached by Mike Young.
1:19:47
I don't think we've ever been whipped, no.
1:19:49
It was crazy to, I mean. Alabama Internet's getting
1:19:59
actress tonight. Yeah, it was a Final Four team
1:20:01
from last year. We all understand that and in
1:20:03
fact one of the other Final four, Miami was just playing
1:20:06
against Kentucky a little bit earlier.
1:20:07
I didn't see how that one ended because that the SECACC
1:20:11
challenge, whatever is, is going on right now.
1:20:13
I'm not even used to that. But yeah man they they kicked
1:20:17
our tail. And I I'm, I'm kind of just,
1:20:20
it's one of those things where it's like let's just forget it
1:20:22
and move on and see how the rest of the season goes, because that
1:20:25
was just a you never see a Mike Young team play like that.
1:20:29
It's true. All righty.
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Now back to the episode. All righty.
1:22:02
So now we get to the second-half of our episode.
1:22:05
We don't have no The Enemy this week.
1:22:07
I hope next year at this time we are talking about that, but we
1:22:10
brought Pete on for a reason. Pete has been basically watching
1:22:13
college games all year, as we all do.
1:22:16
But if y'all haven't watched Pete's show comes on, you stream
1:22:19
it live. I've seen it, I've occasionally
1:22:21
watched it at work, it's occasionally taking me off.
1:22:23
Some things I'm doing. You've been following just the
1:22:27
season in general and that's why we wanted to bring you on for
1:22:30
this because obviously we've got all of the games this week with
1:22:33
the Championship games. But one other piece I wanted to
1:22:36
discuss with you, Pete, was a lot of the coaching vacancies,
1:22:40
hirings and firings. And as of today, I'm going to
1:22:42
read them all of what's still open.
1:22:45
I might be missing a few since the updates.
1:22:47
San Diego State, New Mexico, UTEP, UL, Monroe, Indiana,
1:22:51
Houston, Boise and Duke are still open.
1:22:54
I don't think anybody else has gotten fired.
1:22:55
If I've missed one, Pete, let me know.
1:22:58
But Pete? Obviously we're going to focus
1:23:02
on the Duke one, because the other ones, yeah, maybe they
1:23:05
compoke somebody that you know was a good coordinator or a good
1:23:09
position coach from the ACC, but Duke someone we're going to have
1:23:12
to play. What are we hearing on the Duke
1:23:16
front of what's going to happen? Because in most in our lifetime,
1:23:22
Duke doesn't get back-to-back good head coaches.
1:23:26
They had Spurrier in the late 80s.
1:23:28
And then it legitimately took to cut Cliff in the mid 2000s
1:23:32
before they had another decent coach.
1:23:35
Yeah, and you know, Cutcliffe worked himself into a position
1:23:38
where he did the Frank Beamer. He became a victim of his own
1:23:42
expectations and obviously he got a little longer in the
1:23:44
tooth, but he deserved a chance to walk away.
1:23:47
When he wanted to, he more or less did.
1:23:50
And they go out and they hire Mike Elko, someone a lot of us
1:23:53
hokey fans have talked a lot about over the past two years
1:23:56
due to the performance of Duke and how well they've played.
1:24:00
Mainly because they've had a fantastic quarterback.
1:24:03
Once they lost Riley Leonard. This year that Duke team became
1:24:07
very beatable. And so you can see that the
1:24:09
power of a starting quarterback. But Elko did a fantastic job
1:24:13
there. And it's not just Elko.
1:24:15
Duke, over the past two to three years, has made a real
1:24:19
investment in football. They had a ton of staffers right
1:24:24
up there with us, right up there with Pitt, with all the teams
1:24:27
that are starting to staff up in the ACC.
1:24:30
Clemson has obviously been doing it for a long time.
1:24:33
They were one of them. And that's why you've seen some
1:24:36
of the results you've seen from Duke over the past 2345 and back
1:24:40
into 2013 when they really burst on the scene by beating us.
1:24:44
But if you go to their coaching candidates and who it could be,
1:24:48
it really depends on where they want to go right now, because
1:24:51
they just did the OK, we'll hire a guy who might look for greener
1:24:55
pastures in a year or two. So now do you do the thing where
1:24:59
you go after a Willie Fritz or an older coach where, OK, you
1:25:04
get them and you want this to be their retirement spot where like
1:25:07
they can win you 6 to 8 to 9 games a year, whatever it might
1:25:11
be you, you buck up and you might win 10 once in a while.
1:25:15
But like, you know, the guy's not going anywhere.
1:25:18
That's kind of what we did with Mike Young, right?
1:25:20
We we, he, he was been at Wofford forever.
1:25:23
He's from our region. He's probably not going
1:25:25
anywhere, even if he does really, really well.
1:25:27
Will they go for something like that or will they go after a
1:25:30
Tommy Reese, a young hotshot coordinator type.
1:25:34
I think Sean Lewis might have just got hired.
1:25:37
Who? San Diego State, like literally
1:25:39
just hired someone if you. Want.
1:25:41
Oh, OK, Well, I saw Sean Lewis's name.
1:25:43
I'll look that up while you keep.
1:25:44
Yeah, but that that was a guy who I think he coached at Kent
1:25:47
State. He ends up with Dion, Dion,
1:25:50
demotes him and whatever. But do they go the young
1:25:53
coordinator route or do they go the more, you know, Dave Clawson
1:25:57
ish route? Not that they're going to go
1:25:58
after Clawson himself, but you know what I'm saying?
1:26:01
I don't know, but I know the investment with Duke football is
1:26:04
there and we're never going to know the salary because of FOIA.
1:26:08
They don't have to deal with that.
1:26:09
So I'm not sure, but those are just a couple of names that come
1:26:14
to mind as Fritz and Reese and and maybe a Sean Lewis type,
1:26:17
even if it's not going to be him.
1:26:20
All righty, Y'all, got any questions or anything I want to
1:26:22
say about? And by the way, you are 100%
1:26:25
right, It broke with the local San Diego station 22 minutes
1:26:29
ago. Sean Lewis is going to be the
1:26:31
next head coach of the San Diego State Aztecs.
1:26:34
A pretty, pretty solid. That's a good pull for them.
1:26:37
And yeah, it is. And that's a good program like
1:26:39
they they've been, you know? They've been good for years.
1:26:42
Rocky, long. It's like bringing in bracks.
1:26:43
Blurmeister. That's a good yeah.
1:26:45
Rocky Long, man. I love Rocky Long, Yeah.
1:26:47
All right boys, y'all got any questions on about some of
1:26:50
these? Opening ones for Pete right now
1:26:52
are y'all pretty good. I've been hearing some, some
1:26:55
smoke about Kingsbury going to Houston, going back.
1:26:59
I've heard anything about that. Yeah.
1:27:02
Yeah, Houston is one of those jobs that, like in the new Big
1:27:05
12, when you get into next year and you're thinking about who
1:27:09
could win that conference. Well, with Texas and Oklahoma
1:27:12
gone and some of those PAC 12 schools coming in, anyone could
1:27:16
win that conference. It depends on.
1:27:20
I don't know how well Dana Holgerson has built that program
1:27:24
out. Despite his name, I don't think
1:27:27
Holgo is the best coach. I don't think he's been
1:27:29
recruiting at a super high level.
1:27:31
So Houston, it might take a bit for Houston to get back up, but
1:27:36
like once, if they get the right coach, Houston could be in
1:27:40
competition to win that conference every year because
1:27:42
there is no, there's no blue blood there.
1:27:45
Like, TCU is probably the closest thing you have to like a
1:27:50
powerhouse in that conference. Yeah, I'm yeah, OK, you're
1:27:53
right. And sometimes I forget about the
1:27:55
teams that are even coming in. But yes, Utah could run that
1:27:58
thing. They could run that thing in
1:28:00
over the next 10 years. So.
1:28:01
But Houston's got as good a chance as any in that in that
1:28:05
conference to compete. I don't think Cliff is the guy
1:28:09
to help you compete. I I mean, he, he wasn't good at
1:28:12
Texas Tech. He wasn't good in the NFL.
1:28:14
So now he's going to be good. Like I I don't think so.
1:28:17
Ron, you got any you want to discuss?
1:28:20
You know that that's really the most interesting one in my
1:28:22
opinion outside of Duke, which obviously directs us, affects us
1:28:26
directly. It's going to be interesting to
1:28:30
see what they do at that at that spot because like Pete alluded
1:28:35
to like they could really kind of make that that that home for
1:28:39
them if they if they do well, they could kind of turn that
1:28:42
into a powerhouse in that conference.
1:28:45
They've got money they they're in Texas like they there's
1:28:48
there's advantages there and I mean of course you know
1:28:52
Arizona's had a good year. Arizona State it always seems
1:28:55
like a sleeping giant. Like they might be able to to
1:28:58
pop up and be good, but like Texas, it's all about football
1:29:02
in Texas and and Houston's right there.
1:29:05
Arizona State always seems to get like, get good players, but
1:29:08
they. Struggle to put it together for
1:29:10
any sustained period of time, but they'll always have that
1:29:13
like one year here or there where they'll pop and get like
1:29:15
nine or ten wins. They had Jaden Daniels.
1:29:20
They did. Hey, here's the question I've
1:29:22
got with these openings because obviously there's going to be a
1:29:25
significant amount of money attached to the job because
1:29:27
they're in the Big 10. Who is going?
1:29:29
Who is willing to put their neck out to take Indiana over?
1:29:33
Yeah, that Indiana is another one of those really tough spots
1:29:38
to win. I would liken it to a Syracuse
1:29:40
where there's not a lot of historical success, but you've
1:29:45
got a Big 10 paycheck. And if your university decides
1:29:49
to make the focus, like they put a lot of money behind Tom Allen
1:29:53
that that buyout, it's like one of the highest ever in college
1:29:57
football to buy Tom Allen out. And he, he benefited from that
1:30:01
COVID season, which was super weird and they had a they had a
1:30:04
good year. But Indiana, it's it's a getting
1:30:09
rid of the divisions is good for them because they're no longer
1:30:12
in the East having to play all three of those powerhouses every
1:30:15
year. But you're also adding Oregon
1:30:17
and UCLA. So, like, no, Indiana has an
1:30:20
uphill battle to be good. Oh, and and UW and Oregon.
1:30:24
Sorry, yes, y'all. Are going to talk, Y'all are
1:30:26
going to talk about Colorado. They're they're into the Big 12
1:30:30
and you're right. So we should have mentioned
1:30:32
that. We should have been mentioned
1:30:33
that when we talked about the Big 12 because just like
1:30:35
Houston, Colorado's, if Dion can do what some people think Dion's
1:30:39
going to do, they could, they could be competing for titles in
1:30:43
that conference too. But as far as the Big 10 goes,
1:30:46
Indiana, you'll you'll get paid and you will have opportunity.
1:30:51
I mean, Notre Dame, it's Notre Dame.
1:30:53
They've got the historical success.
1:30:54
It's the same state. You can't recruit like Notre
1:30:57
Dame. You got to find someone who can
1:31:00
build. So do you turn to a Tommy Reese
1:31:03
there? Because that's another name at
1:31:05
another position where like maybe you go to him.
1:31:07
He knows the state, he knows he knows offense.
1:31:11
Maybe you want to score some points in Indiana, do things a
1:31:13
little bit differently. You're probably going to have to
1:31:15
do things a little bit differently.
1:31:16
Yeah, I mean really in terms of pecking order, they're like
1:31:20
they're at least third of the pecking order in their own
1:31:22
state. Because I mean Purdue has a
1:31:25
whole lot more history of football and success and
1:31:28
recruiting successes than than Indiana has ever had.
1:31:31
So they they are at least third on the pecking order from a
1:31:34
recruiting. It's an uphill battle, man.
1:31:36
It's a super uphill battle for for Indiana.
1:31:39
What'd you have, Tally? You about to say something.
1:31:42
Say Indiana had appendix, right? They did.
1:31:45
They did. That was, that was how Tom got
1:31:48
Tom Allen got that extension. Oh, man.
1:31:52
All right, let's go to the guys who have already been hired and
1:31:54
obviously now we've got Sean Lewis.
1:31:56
And you kind of made your point that you'd like that hire out of
1:31:58
San Diego State. But the other four guys between
1:32:02
Elko going to A&M, Jeff Levy, the Oklahoma OC heading down to
1:32:05
Mississippi State, By the way, I've told a lot of people.
1:32:09
They're hiring an offensive guy in Mississippi State.
1:32:11
It's just what they do. They've done it ever since they
1:32:13
fired Sylvester crew in 15 years ago.
1:32:16
Jonathan Smith going to Michigan State, sort of the the one that
1:32:19
kind of hurt your soul a little bit.
1:32:21
And today Fran Brown, the defensive back coats for
1:32:25
Georgia. OK, I was going to say Foo going
1:32:31
to Utah or New Mexico. But of those four, which one do
1:32:36
you like the best, Pete? I love the Elko higher for Texas
1:32:41
A and MI kind of ragged on Texas A and MA couple weeks back and
1:32:44
just that like they have no historical success like a little
1:32:50
bit here and there. Johnny Football though is what
1:32:52
created this whole new momentum. Them going to the SEC combined
1:32:56
with that gave them a whole new breath of life and investors and
1:33:00
all this kind of stuff. But you go back, look at look at
1:33:04
a team like Oregon and a team like Indiana or a team like
1:33:07
Texas A&M. Sorry, got Indiana the brain.
1:33:10
Oregon's had like 9 top ten finishes since 2000.
1:33:14
You'd have to go back to the 50s to get that for A&M.
1:33:16
They just have not had the success on the field.
1:33:20
They might have more money and nil power than just about anyone
1:33:24
else right now. And so with Elko going there, a
1:33:27
guy who recruited some of those kids that are still in that
1:33:31
building and some of those really good recruiting classes
1:33:33
for A and MI think there's a little bit of continuity there.
1:33:37
They know what they're getting with Elko.
1:33:40
What's weird about the only thing that I find a little bit
1:33:42
weird is that Elko is their second choice, right?
1:33:46
Like they wanted Stoops. They got Elko and they're
1:33:50
probably paying him for like a slight, slight discount of
1:33:53
Stoops, but I still think it's a really good hire, so I'm a fan
1:33:56
of that. I think Jonathan Smith actually
1:33:58
going to Michigan State is perfect for Michigan State.
1:34:02
Michigan State is the A&M of the Big 10.
1:34:06
They got to compete with multiple big boys for recruits
1:34:09
and in the standings, and this is a guy who can build.
1:34:14
He did it at literally one of the four hardest places to win
1:34:17
in P5 football. He won at Oregon State.
1:34:21
I think he's going to go, he's going to build something special
1:34:23
at Michigan State. So I think that's a really good
1:34:25
one. The the Georgia one up at
1:34:27
Syracuse. It could work out.
1:34:31
You know how coaching hires go. We thought Foo was a home run
1:34:34
when we hired him. That one's a a little strange
1:34:37
because, like, he's known as a recruiter, but, like, are you
1:34:41
out recruiting anyone at Syracuse?
1:34:43
Like, like you have to be able to develop and have a system and
1:34:49
we don't know what his system would because he's been an
1:34:51
assistant. So like it that that one's a
1:34:54
that one's a head scratcher for me because I thought like
1:34:56
someone like Dan Mullen could have done well up there or
1:34:58
something like that. But hey, what do I know?
1:35:01
Yeah, Fran, Fran Brown's a big time dice roll for them.
1:35:04
That could really, you know, if he puts the pieces together
1:35:07
fast. That could go well for them, but
1:35:10
I don't I still, I still don't think there's like you're still
1:35:13
capping out at like a eight or nine win season at Syracuse,
1:35:16
even if you do all the right things and make all the right
1:35:19
moves. So you know, I don't know what
1:35:22
that looks like and if it's worth that type of dice roll for
1:35:26
still such a relatively low ceiling.
1:35:30
I like the Elko higher. I think that's that's just a
1:35:33
really good fit overall, you know you talked about.
1:35:37
You know Jonathan Smith, I think that's that's a sneaky good one
1:35:40
because as you said, they're kind of dealing with a very
1:35:43
similar type makeup of being surrounded by two powers and and
1:35:49
being able to recruit around that and develop better than
1:35:55
those programs in order to have that type of success.
1:35:58
So you got to do the Mark Dantonio like you.
1:36:01
That's what Dantonio did. He hired good coordinators.
1:36:03
It it was a very frank beamer, like good coordinators recruit
1:36:07
the the footprint and find the the diamonds in the rough.
1:36:10
That's what Dantonio did, and that's what Jonathan Smith's
1:36:13
going to have to do. I'm going to say this, I I'm,
1:36:17
I'm with you all that I think the Elko is the best hire.
1:36:19
Because Elko also goes back to the roots of what A&M is.
1:36:22
If you look at the best coaches they ever had, there's three of
1:36:25
them. There's Bear, Brown, obviously
1:36:27
in the 50s. There's Jackie.
1:36:30
Cheryl, Go look up. Jackie.
1:36:31
Cheryl. Jackie.
1:36:32
Cheryl was a hell of a coach, hell of a defensive coordinator.
1:36:35
At Pitt and then a head coach at Pitt and then RC Slocum in the
1:36:38
90s with the wrecking crew defense.
1:36:40
RC Slocum was a 70, was a 700 win percentage got when he was
1:36:45
there and it was based on defense.
1:36:47
Elko and here's what I think Elko is going into being there
1:36:51
as that defensive coordinator for several years.
1:36:53
He knows how fucking crazy they are.
1:36:56
He knows it already. I don't think Jimbo knew it.
1:36:58
I think Jimbo oh, they're a lot like Florida State.
1:37:00
They they they've got some high crazy fans though.
1:37:02
He went in there and was like. What the fuck is this like?
1:37:06
These people are stupid and I think being there is going to
1:37:09
give him that base. But I think also being he is a
1:37:12
football coach and sometimes places like that just need a
1:37:16
football coach. I'm not trying to come out here
1:37:18
and be the greatest on the PA. We're going to go fucking win
1:37:21
football games. That's all I care about.
1:37:24
And I'm also glad he's not a Duke anymore.
1:37:27
Honestly, because because you know what, he ain't going to be
1:37:31
looking for the same portal guys we're looking at this year like
1:37:33
he did the last few years. So there that is.
1:37:36
Tally, anybody got anything else on any of these coaching,
1:37:39
anything Pete you want to add additional to some of the stuff?
1:37:43
One comment on that the Duke thing since they're in our
1:37:46
conference you said what are the odds they hire two good coaches
1:37:49
in a row? They had Cutcliff, They had
1:37:51
Elko. What are the odds they hire a
1:37:53
third good coach in a row? Minuscule.
1:37:55
Let's. Hope it's 0.
1:37:57
Let's hope it's low. Let's hope it's very low.
1:37:59
And and maybe this move, you know, gives us the very I know
1:38:03
we already had the inside track, but a inside track for a certain
1:38:07
offensive lineman from Christiansburg, so.
1:38:10
That's all I'll say with that. All right, all righty.
1:38:13
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I mean, that's right. Yeah.
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Well, does does it surprise you that that Michigan doesn't jump
1:39:30
to 1? A little bit, actually.
1:39:35
Yeah. I thought they, I thought for
1:39:36
sure they would be 1. Well, so they were three last
1:39:40
week though, right? They were.
1:39:43
But they beat the number 2. And they did and they were
1:39:46
undefeated. So I just, I just I I thought
1:39:48
since the Ohio State win with all of them over.
1:39:50
But then you look at the, if you look at the rankings, you know
1:39:53
you've got Ole Miss at #11 and you've got who's the other one
1:39:59
for? For Georgia, Mizzou at #9, like
1:40:02
they've got two top eleven wins and so.
1:40:05
I guess that's what. And if you go a little bit
1:40:06
further too, like they beat Tennessee, was that number 21,
1:40:09
which I'm actually surprised, Tennessee?
1:40:10
'S in the range. All right, you you ready for it?
1:40:12
Tally's going to tell you why they got this tally.
1:40:15
You know the reason why? Look, who's the number 8?
1:40:17
What if #8? Yeah, they won't.
1:40:20
I mean, they're anticipating them playing Alabama.
1:40:23
That gets what it is. So that's why Georgia's at #1,
1:40:26
because they're going to play Alabama this weekend.
1:40:28
So. And if they lose to Alabama,
1:40:31
well, Alabama just beat the number one team in the country.
1:40:33
We have to put them in the playoff.
1:40:35
Oh yeah, you know what? That.
1:40:37
But this is this is great. But how do you put Alabama in
1:40:39
over Texas in Texas, beat Alabama.
1:40:41
There you. Go well.
1:40:43
Like, that's the thing about this.
1:40:45
This Oregon and Texas thing is fascinating because they they
1:40:49
are showing you what they're thinking right now because they
1:40:52
put Ohio State between Oregon and Texas for a reason.
1:40:57
If Oregon wins, they are in. There is no debate.
1:41:00
They've been ahead of Texas and every playoff ranking that's
1:41:04
come out this year. Oregon wins, they're in,
1:41:07
Washington wins, They're in. That is, that is it.
1:41:10
The team that loses is out. And the fact that Florida State
1:41:13
is still at #4, I think I know they're undefeated, but that
1:41:17
means we know that they win and they're in.
1:41:19
Like, I I don't. I don't want to hear any
1:41:21
otherwise that's that's just not how it's going to go.
1:41:24
The trickiest thing, and I'm sorry, I'm running with this
1:41:27
real quick. The trickiest thing that could
1:41:30
happen is Bama beating Georgia, because that would set
1:41:34
everything into absolute chaos, because you can't put Georgia in
1:41:38
if they're not the conference champion in my eye, because
1:41:40
you're going to have an undefeated Michigan.
1:41:42
Michigan's going undefeated. They're not losing Iowa.
1:41:44
No, they're not Florida State loses that.
1:41:47
You know they're going to be out there not getting in.
1:41:50
And then you'll have the debate. The way you can get two SEC
1:41:53
teams in potentially. Is Florida State losing and
1:41:56
Alabama winning. But just by Georgia losing alone
1:42:00
and Michigan winning and Washington or Oregon winning, it
1:42:04
creates a debate of like, do you put Texas in, do you put, you
1:42:08
know, undefeated Florida State in?
1:42:10
Do you put Oregon in? You have to decide between those
1:42:13
three teams. And I would be so fascinated as
1:42:16
to how the committee would go because I think they would put
1:42:18
Oregon in over Texas, even if, which which means guys, there
1:42:23
would be no SEC team in there. I know I kind of went in a
1:42:25
circle, but think about that. If Bama beats Georgia, it
1:42:30
threatens the chances of the SEC getting into the playoff.
1:42:33
It does. It does.
1:42:35
But and and the the big thing there is that you got that like
1:42:39
Texas firewall, 'cause if if Texas wins that that really
1:42:43
puts. It's hard to make a case to put
1:42:46
Bama in over Texas if Texas. Can't do it.
1:42:49
You can't. And yes, Billy Ray, you're out
1:42:51
there tonight. You cannot put Alabama in
1:42:53
because if head to head if a head to head game in the winter
1:42:56
has the exact same record as the other team.
1:43:00
You then Then why do we play the games?
1:43:03
Yes, we don't need to play the games anymore.
1:43:05
We can just. Well, that team's better because
1:43:06
they're better on paper and they've had better wins and
1:43:09
they've looked different. I don't care that they got on
1:43:12
the field. There there's there's too few
1:43:14
data points to kenpong this shit.
1:43:17
Like at some point the games on the on the field have to matter.
1:43:22
Yes, you're right, you in. In basketball, you ignore head
1:43:25
to head when going to tournament one because there's so many
1:43:27
spots, but two, because there's so many games here, you can't
1:43:30
ignore it. And for those that say, OK, Bama
1:43:33
beats Georgia, Bama will get in, Texas will get in and you'll
1:43:38
have. Michigan.
1:43:40
Yeah, you'll have Michigan. The The problem is Oregon has
1:43:45
been in front of Texas. They're going to, if they beat
1:43:48
an undefeated team or if that undefeated team wins in
1:43:50
Washington, either one of those teams is getting in.
1:43:53
They're not going to jump. Texas is not going to jump.
1:43:56
Oregon by beating Oklahoma State?
1:43:58
It's not going to happen. Their only their only chance was
1:44:01
if Oklahoma got in and then they could legitimately say we beat
1:44:05
every team on our schedule. And unfortunately, with
1:44:09
Oklahoma, Okie State pulling that miracle against BYU because
1:44:12
they shouldn't have won that game that first half, I was
1:44:15
keeping an eye on it, that they shouldn't have won that game.
1:44:17
All right, well, let's get to it.
1:44:18
Let's get to all these games. Let's start Friday night.
1:44:22
Let's start Conference USA, New Mexico State versus Liberty.
1:44:26
Pete, give us a quick background on this one and then we'll go
1:44:29
through the picks. We'll start.
1:44:31
Brian's going to start the picks on this one and we'll go left to
1:44:33
right. But Pete, quick background on
1:44:34
this game and just some Well, we we got a team that's claiming to
1:44:38
be the first undefeated regular season team in Virginia and
1:44:41
Liberty, you know, which was a bunch of BS and I couldn't
1:44:44
believe that that came across my timeline today.
1:44:46
But Liberty is 12 and O. They are 10 point favorites
1:44:49
against New Mexicans, New Mexico State who is coached by Jerry
1:44:52
Kill. A guy we had in our building, a
1:44:55
guy we we love and Jamie Chadwell's on the other side,
1:44:59
Another fantastic coach. These teams played Liberty's
1:45:03
best win, if you go to the Kali matrix on the year is New Mexico
1:45:07
State earlier this year, 33 to 17.
1:45:10
And you know why? Because Liberty played literally
1:45:12
the easiest schedule in the country #133.
1:45:17
So with a 10 point spread, I'm taking the fighting.
1:45:20
Jerry Kills. I'm taking New Mexico State
1:45:22
because they have played very, very well.
1:45:25
Do you know who they just beat last weekend, boys?
1:45:29
That's great about. 3 touchdowns it.
1:45:32
Would it was unbelievable. I'm taking New Mexico State plus
1:45:35
10. You know what's crazy?
1:45:37
I'm going to say this right quick.
1:45:38
I know we got to get through this but.
1:45:40
Me being here in Alabama and I see the the rivalry games when
1:45:45
we talk about the Commonwealth Cup, Commonwealth Cup and Iron
1:45:48
Ball and things like that. It is crazy that Auburn brought
1:45:52
New Mexico State to their home and got beat by three thirds and
1:45:56
then and then played Alabama the next week and should have beat
1:46:00
Alabama because that rivalry means that much to them.
1:46:04
It doesn't matter if their records are one in 10 or what.
1:46:09
That is a true rivalry. What we do with UVA is is a Big
1:46:13
Brother, little brother. That's what I almost said.
1:46:16
Let's go back to. That's what it is.
1:46:17
Now get Dwight in here and have him talking.
1:46:19
All right, Brian, let's roll through.
1:46:20
We got Pete's pick already. We'll see it at the end.
1:46:23
Brian, who you got on this one? Give me the fight and Jerry
1:46:26
kills, man. I'm with you.
1:46:28
Give me the points. I think New Mexico State ends
1:46:32
their season. I think they win.
1:46:34
I think, I think investigate wins and I think because Jerry
1:46:37
kills a good enough coach and. You said 3317.
1:46:41
That's a that's a two touchdown games are always a little bit
1:46:44
funky because you know. It's early in the season, too.
1:46:47
Early in the season, tally who you got.
1:46:49
I'm. Going to take liberty.
1:46:50
I know it's hard for a team to beat, know it's hard for a team
1:46:53
to beat A-Team twice, but I think they're going to do it.
1:46:55
All right, who'd Shelton roll on this one?
1:46:57
Shelton's going to Mexico State here and obviously we got, he's
1:47:01
got New Mexico State as well. All righty.
1:47:03
Let's go Friday night. PAC 12 in Las Vegas, by the way.
1:47:07
Would y'all be opposed if we pulled the ACC championship to
1:47:10
Las Vegas once Stanford and everybody joined?
1:47:12
Not for one year. I would love it all.
1:47:15
Right, just making sure. All right, Pete, what we got on
1:47:17
this one? We got Washington, Oregon,
1:47:19
Oregon. A 9 1/2 point favorite against
1:47:21
an undefeated Washington. Yeah, the line is wild and and
1:47:25
part of that has to be because of the close games Washington
1:47:27
has been playing ever since they beat Oregon.
1:47:30
They almost lost to Arizona or Arizona State the very next week
1:47:35
and they went to overtime with Arizona I believe.
1:47:37
So Pennix doesn't look quite right.
1:47:40
They they played a good end of that game against Washington
1:47:43
State to survive. But a few weeks back I said
1:47:46
Oregon was my best team in the country.
1:47:49
Power rankings, my own personal eye test and stat.
1:47:51
Looking up I went with Oregon as my best team in the country.
1:47:54
I'm not wavering from that. However, that game was super
1:47:59
close last time and Washington won on their own turf.
1:48:02
I think Washington is good enough to keep it within the 9
1:48:05
1/2. I like Oregon to win.
1:48:07
Washington cover. Oregon win.
1:48:09
Washington cover. All righty, Sheldon was back.
1:48:14
Sheldon was right there with you.
1:48:16
Same mindset. I think looking at at what he
1:48:21
was saying earlier he you know, it's it's just the that that 9
1:48:25
1/2 is a little too much even on a neutral field.
1:48:29
OK, so. Tell it who you got.
1:48:32
I'm going to Oregon, man. I think that the refs in the
1:48:36
country wants Bo Dick, Bo, Bo Nicks.
1:48:41
Bo who? Bo.
1:48:43
Bo Dicks. Yeah, they definitely.
1:48:47
They want him to be the Heisman. I mean, they have been raving
1:48:51
about Bo Nicks. So if it's an opportunity for
1:48:54
Oregon to win and Oregon to win big, this is going to be his
1:48:57
Heisman moment and the line stinks and Tally's diving into
1:49:01
the stink. Fatally, Fatally.
1:49:06
You see he and I'm not saying that to be mean because Tally
1:49:09
said it a bunch of times during the.
1:49:10
Course. Oh yeah, No, no, no.
1:49:11
You do not put money on what I'm telling you.
1:49:15
It does not work out, is it? All righty here.
1:49:18
This is not gambling advice. I think 9 1/2 is just too big
1:49:23
because like you said Pete, that first game literally was a down
1:49:27
to the end. I'll I've watched the end of it
1:49:29
here probably. Were you over for that game?
1:49:33
Why did I feel like you came over for that game?
1:49:35
Maybe. Regardless, maybe you did.
1:49:37
But I will say this, Curtis, I know you're going to make your
1:49:39
pick, but I will say this. Y'all need to think.
1:49:43
They they lost that game because of coaching.
1:49:45
They didn't know it's true. There were some court down calls
1:49:49
in that game that were. Screwed up, Yeah, there.
1:49:51
Was a lot of calls in that game. So anyway, go ahead.
1:49:55
Kurt Well, I don't think Washington wins.
1:49:56
I think this is where we start to see a little of the the CFP
1:50:00
playoff chaos. I think Washington's good
1:50:03
enough, like with UPI think they're good enough to keep it
1:50:06
within 9 1/2. It's probably a touchdown win
1:50:09
for Oregon, so I'm going Washington.
1:50:13
When Spread Oregon Takes it money line Ziegler.
1:50:18
I'm right there with everybody here on the panel except for
1:50:20
Tally. Wow, pretty.
1:50:25
Good. You know what he's doing.
1:50:27
What he's supposed to? Do you know when when I look at
1:50:32
it, the line is just a little, little, little funky for me,
1:50:36
that's a little too much to lay. You know, I think it like Curtis
1:50:39
said, it's going to be about a 76 point.
1:50:43
Oregon victory. But that 9 1/2 is just too much
1:50:45
for my blood. So much.
1:50:47
And this is de facto playoff game because winner is going to
1:50:50
the playoff. Yeah, yeah, there's really,
1:50:54
there's no drama here in in terms of the playoff.
1:50:56
It doesn't really shake anything up, except maybe the seating.
1:51:00
The winner of this is is is a playoff team.
1:51:02
All righty. Here's what we got next.
1:51:05
We've got the Mack matching. I wish they would do.
1:51:08
I wish they would do this game on a Wednesday night.
1:51:10
Honest to God I wish they would. But we've got Miami of Ohio and
1:51:15
Toledo Y'all these are actually two good teams.
1:51:17
Miami of Ohio 10 and two. Toledo 11 and one.
1:51:21
I didn't realize that as y'all see we got a line of 7 1/2
1:51:26
Toledo favorite Pete. What are we seeing on this game?
1:51:29
And is Jason Candle a candidate anywhere from for for head
1:51:33
coaching Guy? You know I feel like Jason
1:51:35
Candle has been a candidate for about seven years and and Toledo
1:51:41
in the Mack is at resources and facilities advantage.
1:51:45
They always seem to be one of the best three teams in the Mack
1:51:50
and it's for good reason they they put the investment into
1:51:52
football. Toledo 11 straight wins.
1:51:56
Their only loss was the first game of the season to Illinois.
1:52:01
They both played absolutely terrible schedules.
1:52:03
So like Toledo, we talked about Liberty schedule.
1:52:06
I think Toledo has like the second easiest schedule in the
1:52:09
country. But they did beat San Jose
1:52:11
State, who some people think should be in the Mountain West.
1:52:14
We'll get there, but that was a good quality win.
1:52:19
They're coming in Hot 7 1/2. I'm going to take Daquan Finn,
1:52:24
Pat's brother, and I think they're going to get, they're
1:52:27
going to get the win and cover Toledo.
1:52:30
I'm taking he. Takes Toledo.
1:52:32
Brian, what about you? Yeah, I, I, I'm riding the
1:52:37
Toledo Rockets here, baby. Let's go.
1:52:40
All righty. I I'm going to.
1:52:41
Ride the Toledo Rocket. It's better to ride in the Red
1:52:43
Rocket. I won't take Toledo as well.
1:52:46
First game was a four point game.
1:52:48
I think Toledo is the better team overall and I think they, I
1:52:52
think they win the game going away.
1:52:53
I think it's going to be not going to be as close, but you
1:52:58
know, what do I know, Tally? I'm going to take Toledo on this
1:53:02
and you know I want to get on Y'all's team.
1:53:04
Y'all seem to pick a little bit better than me.
1:53:06
Toledo has a good running back. I think that running back's got
1:53:08
about 1400 yards. He's averaging like 8 yards a
1:53:11
carry, maybe like 15 touchdowns. So I'm going to go, I'm going to
1:53:15
go with Toledo on this, just because I've watched him play
1:53:17
and he looks good. Toledo's across the board, which
1:53:20
means Miami's going to win out, right?
1:53:23
Did did Shelton go with us? Oh yeah, everybody's riding
1:53:26
Toledo. Toledo We were riding the rock.
1:53:28
To the moon, baby. To the moon.
1:53:30
High noon. All right, let's flip it.
1:53:32
Next, let's go to the Big 12. We already hit on this a little
1:53:34
bit. Beat Texas laying 14 1/2 in Okie
1:53:37
State. And then again, in my opinion,
1:53:39
Okie State shouldn't beat BYU. Last week I watched that game.
1:53:42
They really shouldn't have. But what are we looking at here
1:53:45
Pete? You got a nine and three, OK?
1:53:47
State team that is only lost in the last eight games was that
1:53:51
beat down at the hands of UCF in the let down spot after the
1:53:55
Oklahoma game. So I'll forgive them a bit for
1:53:58
going to Florida after Oklahoma and getting beat in the rain.
1:54:01
But as you saw last week against BYU, that team does not give up
1:54:06
easily. They Ollie Gordon has been a
1:54:08
revelation for them ever since that 19 yard game against South
1:54:12
Alabama. I I don't know what got into OK
1:54:15
State. Gundy found a way and I'm going
1:54:18
to take them to cover that 12 points.
1:54:21
All right. He's got them covering.
1:54:24
What's Shelton? Got Shelton is riding with OSU
1:54:28
as well. Tally, what you got?
1:54:32
I called Pete before the show and I called Shelton before the
1:54:35
show and they are very smart, so I just picked what they picked.
1:54:40
All righty. So I must be the idiot over
1:54:41
here, then, because I think Texas knows it has to make a
1:54:45
statement. Pete, you you've said it three
1:54:46
or four times. Really.
1:54:48
I said that. I thought you did.
1:54:53
Did you? Where I got it wrong?
1:54:54
Did. I get it wrong.
1:54:55
I don't know. Shit.
1:54:57
I don't know. What do you like about Texas
1:55:02
though, Brian Curtis? Finish your thought.
1:55:04
Because no one here and just saying it's more of the spot
1:55:07
they're in, I think Texas knows they have to put an ungodly beat
1:55:11
down on Okie State because you keep saying they can't jump
1:55:14
Oregon. I have a question.
1:55:15
They go out there and beat Okie State by 5 touchdowns 40. 4914
1:55:22
and then you look at their resume.
1:55:23
Well, the only team they lost to was A10 win Oklahoma team.
1:55:26
They went to Tuscaloosa. They handled Alabama with these.
1:55:29
Why shouldn't we put this team in the playoff?
1:55:32
Yeah, And. And that's that's a good
1:55:34
argument. And you know what?
1:55:36
They tried to make that statement last week against
1:55:38
Texas Tech. When?
1:55:39
They oh, they did make sense. But you know what?
1:55:42
It didn't work because they're still six, behind Ohio State and
1:55:47
and Oregon. Let me tell you how they're
1:55:48
going to get in. If Alabama beats Georgia,
1:55:51
they're going to throw Texas in because they need the big name
1:55:55
That and that's that's correct. That is Texas's avenue to get
1:55:59
into the playoff is they need Bama to win that.
1:56:02
They could beat Oklahoma State by 60 points.
1:56:05
They're not getting in unless Bama beats Georgia.
1:56:07
There you go. Good point, Brian.
1:56:12
I did. Confirm that you sent OS.
1:56:14
UI did send OSU, but I don't know that I was trying to do
1:56:17
this quickly today. So.
1:56:20
You know what? That's all right.
1:56:22
I like Texas to win this, but 14 1/2 is a little funky for me, so
1:56:26
I'm going to OSU here. All righty, We're going to go
1:56:29
out to the Mountain West next again, we're going in
1:56:32
subsequential order. So the the, the way you see
1:56:34
these games, the way they're coming out, I believe this is on
1:56:37
CBS Sports Network and it's going to be like a three, three
1:56:40
or 4:00 kick. Pete, you got a little
1:56:42
interesting behind this one about maybe one of these teams
1:56:46
shouldn't be here. Well, the Mountain West decides
1:56:51
when there's a tie in the standings.
1:56:52
They decide who goes to the championship game by computer
1:56:55
rankings using one of the computer rankings.
1:56:57
I like the best in the Collie matrix and they decided that
1:57:01
Boise State and UNLV should should go at it and UNLV just
1:57:05
lost to San Jose State. And yet they are.
1:57:09
They are the ones that are in because they have a better
1:57:12
overall record at 9:00 and 3:00, Boise State at 7:00 and 5:00.
1:57:15
A-Team that fired their coach is also in.
1:57:19
Think about that. If I hired their coach mid
1:57:21
season and they are in the championship game and guess what
1:57:24
I like them to win outright. Like, yeah, I'll take them
1:57:27
against. I'll.
1:57:28
Well, actually they're favored. They're, they're two point
1:57:30
favorites, right. So I'll take Boise to lay the
1:57:33
points with Boise. But what a season for.
1:57:35
I do want to mention Barry Odom and UNLV because that program
1:57:39
has been in the dumps for a long time and Perry Onum as a
1:57:42
straight up good coach there was.
1:57:44
There's that one point where we thought we might get him as our
1:57:46
defensive coordinator. I think it didn't quite happen
1:57:50
that way, but UNLV had not won nine games since 1984 and so
1:57:57
good, good for UNLV. It's going to be a fun game.
1:58:01
I think Boise State gets the win though.
1:58:05
All righty, Pete's got Boise State on this one, Brian, who do
1:58:08
you got? I'm going to preface this with I
1:58:12
think that we should be seeing another team in here as Pete
1:58:17
alluded to, but shout out to DJ Harvey out there in San Jose
1:58:22
State. Yeah, so, but since that's not
1:58:27
what we got, I'm going to UNLV here.
1:58:29
I think. I think Barry Odom is going to
1:58:30
get them up for this game. I think they aren't the best
1:58:34
team on paper, but I think that they're going to.
1:58:37
Play play above their skis a little bit and and and pull off
1:58:41
a victory here against Boise. I'm with you.
1:58:44
Give me the Give me that little two.
1:58:45
I'll take UNLV as well. And all the old food crew out
1:58:49
there, and you know Odom and Vance Vice and who else is out
1:58:53
there. There's there's a few other ones
1:58:55
out there right from the Shotbusters out there.
1:58:58
Is he really? Shotbusters.
1:59:00
A special teams coordinator out there.
1:59:01
So yeah, some of the old, some of the old Tech coaches who you
1:59:06
got Tally? Because they got old tech
1:59:09
coaches out there. I did not pick them.
1:59:13
Boise State Boise State Later 2 Shelton.
1:59:17
Says Shelton, Says Boise. Shelton says Boise.
1:59:23
And we got Pete saying Boise. All right, next one.
1:59:26
Let's go to Atlanta 430 kick Georgia, Alabama, Georgia.
1:59:31
The -6 favorite here. My one of my old bosses saw her
1:59:37
today at work. She's a huge Georgia fan.
1:59:39
She's heading down to Atlanta to watch the game this weekend.
1:59:43
So what do we got here on this one, Pete, That if you know
1:59:49
there, there's a couple key things about this.
1:59:50
So these teams have obviously been the two best teams in the
1:59:53
SEC over the past decade, yet they have not matched up a ton
1:59:59
of times in the championship game and in Georgia's recent
2:00:02
success. They have yet to beat Alabama in
2:00:04
this game. In fact, they've never beaten
2:00:06
Alabama in this game. Since the SE CS inception in
2:00:09
1992, Georgia has four titles. It's Arkansas, it's LSU.
2:00:13
It's Auburn, and it's LSU again. Can Georgia beat Bama for the
2:00:18
SEC title? I think they should and they
2:00:24
will win. But I like the six points.
2:00:27
I I think Will Millroe can do enough.
2:00:29
I think he's developed enough for them to be competitive and
2:00:33
that Bama defense is for real. They're they're going to show
2:00:36
Carson Beck some things he hasn't seen this year.
2:00:39
Carson Beck has been great down the stretch, really, really good
2:00:43
development out of the quarterback from Georgia
2:00:45
throughout the year. But I think Bama is going to
2:00:47
slow them down a little bit and I think Bama is going to be able
2:00:49
to cover. But I think Georgia is going to
2:00:52
get the win to finish another season undefeated.
2:00:56
All righty, who's Shelton laying on this one?
2:00:59
Riding with Georgia. Riding with Georgia Tally, This
2:01:02
is a tough one for you. Hey, can y'all hear me Good.
2:01:05
I've got my microphone up so everybody can hear this.
2:01:08
Georgia is going to win this game because if they do not win,
2:01:13
you may not see ASCC team in the playoffs.
2:01:18
They are not going to let that happen.
2:01:21
They will not. There will be refs putting on
2:01:24
uniforms and playing. Georgia's going to win this
2:01:28
game. I'm taking Georgia just because
2:01:31
I had to see Georgia's logo up here.
2:01:33
But if I if I'm betting, I'm definitely putting money on
2:01:38
Georgia money line because Georgia's winning this game
2:01:41
because again it gets too funky. If Alabama wins, if Alabama
2:01:45
beats Georgia in this game and then you have to go into.
2:01:49
Thinking about a playoff without ASCC team in?
2:01:53
They'll burn it down. They don't know what are we
2:01:55
going to do. We may not be we there's if if
2:01:58
that happens, there's not going to be an NCAA Football game
2:02:01
coming out. So all of you gamers, you might
2:02:04
as well throw it away. There's going to be people
2:02:07
that's going to be petitioning outside of the college playoffs
2:02:10
that says Michael Vick was fighting dogs.
2:02:12
It's going to be chaos. If that happens, I'm telling you
2:02:16
right now, Georgia's going to win because they want to get
2:02:19
ASCC team in there. And if Alabama wins, it's going
2:02:22
to be too tricky for them to put like if if Alabama wins, they
2:02:26
have to put two teams in there and they can't put two teams in
2:02:29
there unless everybody loses. That's just my opinion.
2:02:33
I'd say it's a good way to point.
2:02:35
I'm I'm with Tally on this one that Georgia has to win this
2:02:40
game and I think. Six is the line, right?
2:02:45
Funky, funky plays can happen at end of games.
2:02:47
We saw that last weekend with the Alabama game, right?
2:02:51
Georgia wins by 10 because it ain't gonna be no funky play at
2:02:55
the end of the game for Alabama this time.
2:02:59
I like a pick based on a conspiracy theory, though.
2:03:01
Tally, I appreciate that. Yes.
2:03:04
There we go. I'm, I'm riding with.
2:03:08
I'm round with Georgia too. Pete you are the the the lone
2:03:13
hey look, I mean I think these teams.
2:03:17
I think Georgia's got a little too much love.
2:03:18
Both of these teams struggled last week.
2:03:20
You wouldn't. I know Georgia SAT they didn't
2:03:23
have a couple of their better players but like Georgia Tech by
2:03:27
8. What what are you doing messing
2:03:28
around with Georgia Tech by 8. I know Bama almost lost, but
2:03:32
that's at least a rivalry like Georgia.
2:03:34
Georgia Tech. Like I know is good old
2:03:37
fashioned. Hate.
2:03:37
Georgia Tech. Sucks.
2:03:39
Come on. There you go.
2:03:41
Yeah. I mean, at this point, I mean,
2:03:43
Georgia, Georgia Tech is very much Virginia Tech, UVA, right?
2:03:47
Yeah. It's been it's been dead for 20
2:03:49
plus years. Yeah, they'll they'll, they'll,
2:03:51
they'll scrape one here or there.
2:03:53
That's competitive. But it's so I'm willing to
2:03:55
forgive Bama's performance more than I am Georgia's.
2:03:59
And Georgia has had close calls against Auburn earlier in the
2:04:02
year there. They Mizzou.
2:04:04
Mizzou was the tight one. South Carolina was a lot tighter
2:04:08
than it should have. Been like.
2:04:09
I was going to say Georgia's been playing with the food all.
2:04:12
All year. So is Bama though.
2:04:14
I mean they got, I mean you say what you want, they got smacked
2:04:17
by Texas. They got smacked at home And
2:04:19
then the USF game, we were sitting up, that was during the
2:04:23
Rutgers weekend. One that Brian, when I came up
2:04:24
to your house and we were like. What are they doing?
2:04:27
Like this is USA. Well, they they had a shadow,
2:04:30
they had a shadow ban on Milro that game.
2:04:32
They didn't play them and there there was, there was some kind
2:04:34
of suspension going on there and I thought that Milro has
2:04:38
developed better since since that that game you mentioned.
2:04:44
No, the problem that they had that game is that the boosters
2:04:47
and the fans. Were telling Nick Saban how to
2:04:49
coach. So he said, well, let me show
2:04:50
you that I know more than you guys do.
2:04:53
And he put those other quarterbacks in and they suck.
2:04:56
They were horrible. And they also were playing in
2:04:59
like a hurricane. So it was a lot going on down.
2:05:01
Now since then we've seen what they've done.
2:05:05
They're still going to lose Saturday all.
2:05:06
Right, we got the AAC packs. SM Future ACC member SMU versus
2:05:11
Tulane, Tulane Lane 5 1/2 points Another good game.
2:05:15
Tulane 11 and one SMU 10 and two.
2:05:19
Any back on this one Pete? Yeah, well SMU is 4th nationally
2:05:24
in points per game. They have been throwing up
2:05:27
points at 69 points a couple weeks ago.
2:05:30
Nice. But the thing, the thing about
2:05:33
SMU is their two losses are too TCU and Oklahoma 2P, five teams.
2:05:40
TCU is not very good. And so my kind of thing with SMU
2:05:44
is that they're like AG5 version of Virginia Tech.
2:05:48
Yeah, they will beat the crap out of some bad teams, but when
2:05:51
they go up against anybody decent, they lose.
2:05:55
And so I think Tulane's going to win the win the ball game.
2:05:58
And Tulane, despite struggling against ECU and a couple other
2:06:02
guys, I just think Tulane finds a way and I think they're going
2:06:06
to be able to win the game by 6 points.
2:06:08
So I'm going to take Tulane. All right, Pete's got Tulane.
2:06:13
Brian, who do you got in this one?
2:06:15
I'm riding with Tulane as well. I think they're going to put it,
2:06:18
put it together in this one. As Pete said, SMU has struggled
2:06:22
against quality competition. I would consider Tulane a
2:06:25
quality opponent, so I'm going to go with Tulane here.
2:06:31
All righty. I'm going to go different than
2:06:34
y'all. I think.
2:06:35
I think Tulane's going to win the game, but I think 5 1/2, as
2:06:38
good as the SMU offense is, they'll get some points.
2:06:41
They're going to give up some points and I think it's it's
2:06:44
what every time I see a line like this, I think it's like
2:06:47
it's a 10 point lead. The great offense scores with
2:06:51
six seconds left and they get the back door cover and like,
2:06:56
oh, this is a really good game. And like, Nah, they scored with
2:06:59
six seconds left. They had no chance to actually
2:07:00
win this game tally. I was cutting out.
2:07:06
I missed half of what you said S.
2:07:09
MUSMU because they got offense and they going to be able to at
2:07:12
least score some points. I'm going to take two lane on
2:07:15
this man. I'm going to take two lane
2:07:16
because I'm pretty sure that SM US quarterback that threw for
2:07:20
like 3200 yards is hurt. So he's out.
2:07:24
That's a big bulk of their offense.
2:07:27
He threw for like, I don't know, 26 touchdowns and not very many
2:07:31
picks, so. I'm going to take Tulane because
2:07:34
they're SMU signal callers down. All righty, we got Sheldon Peaks
2:07:40
rolling up there. I would.
2:07:42
I just want to .1 thing out before we move on to the
2:07:44
Sunbelt. It's just that Tulane is having
2:07:47
their starting quarterback play against Ole Miss away from being
2:07:51
undefeated. Like Pratt did not play against
2:07:53
Ole Miss, and if he plays in that game, there's a good shot.
2:07:57
Tulane is undefeated going into this.
2:07:59
By the way, it's a good thing. This is, This is why we needed
2:08:02
12, because a team like Tulane deserves to be in the playoff.
2:08:07
I mean they've done the last two years and and like this and I
2:08:10
was saying something and we're going to go off topic and y'all
2:08:12
know I got to pull myself back. But is this not the year it
2:08:16
should have been 12 teams. There's no one dominant power.
2:08:19
We pulled it up there and you look and say there's
2:08:22
legitimately. 11 or 12 teams that if they got hot and they
2:08:26
played their game, they could beat every other team that's in
2:08:29
front of them. Let's hope that happens next
2:08:32
year. All right, Sunbelt Fun Belt.
2:08:34
Pete App versus App State versus Troy, even because JMU can't
2:08:39
play Troy. 6 1/2 point favorites.
2:08:41
What you got All right so JMU cannot play in the game and they
2:08:45
should be in it. However, who went into
2:08:48
Harrisonburg and won the game? App state.
2:08:51
Did App State They deserve to be in this game just as much as JMU
2:08:55
does In my opinion. Troy has been awesome.
2:08:58
Their running back is a stud over 1300 yards this year 9
2:09:02
touchdowns. Their QB Watson and their wide
2:09:04
receivers are are probably better than Apps.
2:09:07
Although Aguilar from from App State has the third most passing
2:09:11
touchdowns in the country. This game could be wild.
2:09:14
Do you guys remember last year the Troy App State game on the
2:09:19
Hail Mary? This was the week after AB had
2:09:22
beaten Texas A&M. These teams play crazy games.
2:09:25
I cannot wait to see it. I'm taking App State and the
2:09:29
points. They have been hot.
2:09:30
I like Joey Aguilar, quarterback.
2:09:32
I'm going Mountaineers. All right, he goes Mountaineers.
2:09:38
Who's Shelton got? Shelton has App state as well.
2:09:42
Tally, what you got? Man, I'm picking with my heart,
2:09:45
man. I'm picking the hometown
2:09:47
Trojans. Funny story, man.
2:09:50
Jacksonville State, which is where I went, Used to be big
2:09:53
rivals with with Troy before they made the jump to go to the
2:09:56
big boys. And it was the Trojans versus
2:10:00
the Cox that was always a very cool rivalry, man.
2:10:05
You know, one of the chance was. They can't beat our cocks while
2:10:10
holding. While holding Trojans Trojan
2:10:12
columns in your hands. Yeah, that's funny as little
2:10:16
man. See that and get the video of
2:10:17
that. Oh my God, that's awesome.
2:10:20
And so your alma mater's going to a bowl too, there, Tal.
2:10:23
Yeah, man, Jacksonville State's looking good.
2:10:25
They got some guys that I went to college with that are
2:10:27
coaching down there, so I I keep up with them pretty good.
2:10:30
They got some good players, man. Rich Rod's down there doing this
2:10:34
thing. Yes, that's right.
2:10:35
That's right. All right.
2:10:37
I'm next on this one. I'm going, I'm going to ride
2:10:39
Tally's coattails and I'm going to go Troy as well.
2:10:42
Troy has two losses this year, one's to a good Kansas State
2:10:45
team and one was to JMU. The JMU loss was by two points,
2:10:50
so that is a good Troy team. I think what we saw with App
2:10:54
State when they beat JMU, it's like it happens every year.
2:10:57
Somebody gets built up and built up.
2:10:59
They don't understand how to play.
2:11:01
App State had been there. How many times as Dave has been
2:11:05
there has pulled the upsets? Easy.
2:11:07
See. Look who you got.
2:11:10
I'm rolling with that state for the opposite reason that you
2:11:12
just said. I think they are riding some
2:11:14
momentum now. They show that they could beat a
2:11:17
team that is earlier in the year taking care of Troy.
2:11:20
So I feel like they are feeling themselves a little bit.
2:11:23
I think they're going to take care of business.
2:11:24
Yeah. Five straight for AP9, straight
2:11:27
for Troy. This is 2 hot teams coming in.
2:11:30
I can't wait to see what happens.
2:11:31
All righty All right, we got two more left.
2:11:33
We're going to start with the Big 10 championship game where
2:11:36
it's the Iowa Hawkeyes and I'm pretty sure still the dead last
2:11:40
offense in the country at 131 against the Michigan Wolverines.
2:11:45
Michigan, a 23 point favorite. This is in Brian's home stadium,
2:11:49
the Lucas Oil Stadium of his Colts.
2:11:53
Pete, what are we seeing on this one?
2:11:55
Yeah, I mean, you nailed it, Curtis, Like 133rd in yards per
2:11:59
play. How in your I saw pen, Spencer
2:12:02
Petrus jumped in the portal today.
2:12:04
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. How could any offensive player
2:12:08
on Iowa not be jumping in the portal?
2:12:10
They have been absolutely putrid on offense for years.
2:12:13
I don't know how they won 10 games.
2:12:14
I really don't. They scraped by Nebraska by the
2:12:17
skin of their teeth to get that tenth win.
2:12:20
Their best win of the season was probably against Iowa State who
2:12:23
is mid at best. So their strength of schedule is
2:12:28
worse than Virginia Tech's. If you look at the Colleen
2:12:30
matrix, Michigan will win. Let's not, let's not make any
2:12:34
bones about this, It's going to be could.
2:12:37
Could Iowa cover? Sure.
2:12:39
But is Iowa going to score a point?
2:12:41
Like is Iowa going to score a point?
2:12:44
And if they don't score a point, Michigan's getting 24.
2:12:46
I'm taking Michigan there. You go.
2:12:49
He's taking Michigan, Brian, who are you taking?
2:12:52
I just feel like Iowa's defense is going to keep it just close
2:12:55
and I think they do get one touchdown against Michigan and
2:12:59
that is. Enough.
2:13:01
This is true, by the way. They're giving the O underline
2:13:05
That was last week because it was 24 last week.
2:13:08
Oh my God. And they did the under, hit it,
2:13:13
hit it, hit. We we we our our music guy,
2:13:16
Jason. Get dabbles a little bit.
2:13:19
We're like, you just got to take the under and watch that game
2:13:21
because it's taking an under and watching a game is just an
2:13:23
experience. I'm going to take Michigan here,
2:13:28
I think Michigan, Pete, I'm with you.
2:13:31
Iowa's not going to score a point.
2:13:33
They're not. They're not scoring one point,
2:13:35
Let's say block a field goal or take one back to the house.
2:13:39
And I think Michigan is going to get to about 28 or 31.
2:13:44
So also the 35 1/2 over under take the under, take the under.
2:13:48
That is the easiest money anybody will make this week. 35
2:13:53
1/2 under on this game, yeah. Man, I got to go with Iowa on
2:13:58
this, man. I just think that they're like,
2:14:00
Brian said. I don't think they're going to
2:14:02
win the game, but. Any any means.
2:14:04
But I mean, that's a lot of points, man.
2:14:07
You know what I'm saying? It's just a lot of points in a
2:14:09
championship game for us to see crazy stuff happen.
2:14:13
So I just think that we're going to get, you know, I don't know
2:14:18
not a 24 point win by Michigan and and one thing that you guys
2:14:21
got going in your favor is the fact that Michigan did lose
2:14:25
their center last game. Like that would that would
2:14:28
that's a big loss and I think they are already lost a guard at
2:14:31
one point. So there is something that could
2:14:33
potentially hold the Michigan offense back here and not having
2:14:36
their dudes up front. Nevertheless, I'm going to stick
2:14:39
with my Michigan, all right? Shelton.
2:14:42
Shelton Rd. With Iowa and obviously Pete's.
2:14:45
Pete's with Michigan here all. Right, last game ACC title game
2:14:50
Louisville, FSU, Louisville or FSU at 2 1/2 point.
2:14:54
Favorite Pete. What were your impressions to
2:14:57
take Rodmaker last week in the Swamp against a solid Florida
2:15:00
defense? They weren't good to start off,
2:15:03
I'll say that the the guy didn't complete 50% of his passes. 134
2:15:10
yards, got his clock cleaned trying to slide.
2:15:14
No, I wasn't impressed. I also wasn't impressed that
2:15:17
Florida State gave up 244 yards rushing to the Florida offense.
2:15:23
That's something that if Louisville can run the football,
2:15:28
that's going to be a huge problem for Florida State in
2:15:30
this game. Brahm kind of just got his pants
2:15:32
pulled down by Mark Stoops last week.
2:15:35
You know, he's going to scheme something up for this
2:15:38
championship game. Brahm's a very good coach.
2:15:40
I think Norvell is a good coach. And the line is tight, right?
2:15:44
The the 15 yards per run. Like if you look at, yeah, yards
2:15:50
per run allowed, Louisville is 15.
2:15:53
I know they, they, they didn't have the best game against
2:15:56
Kentucky. They've only gave up like 84
2:15:58
rushing yards. If they can slow Benson down,
2:16:01
Louisville is going to have a tremendous chance to win this
2:16:05
game. And so I went back and forth on
2:16:08
this because I think Louisville has a real shot.
2:16:10
I I really do. I'm going to take floor state.
2:16:13
It's under a field goal as we're picking it.
2:16:15
I'm going to take floor state with a gun in my head, but I do
2:16:18
not like it. What's Sheldon got on this one?
2:16:23
Sheldon's riding with FSU as well.
2:16:26
Tally. I got to go FSU, man.
2:16:29
I got to go FSUI don't have any rhyme or reason behind it.
2:16:32
I just think they're going to. Win and I I I'm, I'm, I'm riding
2:16:37
FSU as well. I think they're going to win
2:16:38
this game and get in the playoff.
2:16:40
I think they've they've got a well balanced enough team that
2:16:43
they can do it. And again I think you talked
2:16:47
about I think being in the swamp might have been the best thing
2:16:50
for Tate. Rodemaker hostile environment.
2:16:52
Loud. Playing a solid defense.
2:16:54
Because now, even though Louisville is a good defense,
2:16:59
it's the environment. You're going to the Charlotte,
2:17:01
you're going to Bank of America Stadium.
2:17:03
You're not going to have people going crazy in your ear.
2:17:05
And and I think they make the playoff.
2:17:07
I don't know if they do anything in the playoff, but they make
2:17:09
it. Curtis, you're absolutely right
2:17:12
on that because the The Swamp is such a tough place to play and
2:17:16
so that you couldn't have asked for a better because he came out
2:17:20
on the winning side and so now they do have the better overall
2:17:23
roster. So I'm with you.
2:17:26
Yeah, I think this is a bounce. It's a bounce back week for the
2:17:30
FSU defense. I think they take care of
2:17:33
business. I think they do just enough
2:17:34
offensively to outlast the Cardinals there.
2:17:38
So give me FSU as well. All righty.
2:17:41
So they're all our wonderful lines.
2:17:43
That was a lot of fun to pick these games.
2:17:45
We got to Pete. Regardless, you're coming back
2:17:47
and doing this next year. Even if Shelton's on, we're
2:17:50
still doing this. All righty.
2:17:51
We got one more thing. I'll let Brian take that down.
2:17:55
And we won't know likely until Sunday afternoon as we're
2:17:59
probably watching NFL, seeing if we can make our fantasy
2:18:01
playoffs. But I'm going to start with that
2:18:04
guest here. Pete, Bowl projections for
2:18:06
Virginia Tech. Where do you think we're going
2:18:08
to go? Who are we going to play?
2:18:11
Overwhelming projections say Military Bowl, that that's where
2:18:16
most of the people are projecting us to.
2:18:18
Do we have a chance at the Duke's Mayo or the Sun Bowl?
2:18:21
Yes, but in the Military Bowl, Memphis I think has been
2:18:25
mentioned the most as a potential matchup.
2:18:28
I've seen Rice in there, SMU in there, UTSA, Navy, if I would
2:18:36
say it's the Military Bowl against Memphis.
2:18:39
But it's probably my first choice too because we, we can
2:18:43
get so many Hokies there. It's easy to get to.
2:18:45
Do I want to play in El Paso? No, not really.
2:18:50
I don't want to go to the Tony the Tiger bowl, but that that's
2:18:54
a that's one of the higher possibilities.
2:18:56
A lot of the other ones are are probably more remote.
2:19:00
All righty. So he's going military.
2:19:02
Memphis Tally, What do you think?
2:19:05
I keep saying military SMU, so I'm going to go with that
2:19:10
Military SMU. Matter of fact, I'm putting up a
2:19:15
GoFundMe on my Twitter page. I need y'all to start sending
2:19:21
some stuff so I can go to this game wherever it's at.
2:19:24
I think they need me there to win, so y'all start.
2:19:27
Start donating. I start donating single.
2:19:32
Who you got, man? I'm I'm kind of leaning towards
2:19:36
I I want it to be Duke's Mayo. But I'm the more I think about
2:19:40
it, it's looking like the military is going to be the
2:19:43
pick. You know what, as much as I I I
2:19:48
like Memphis. I think that would be a better
2:19:49
match up for us. I'm kind of intrigued by the
2:19:52
future ACC member SSMU match up, so let let me get that one.
2:19:58
Yeah, you see a lot on here because you got, you got the
2:20:01
Fenway, you got the pinstripe. We're not going to the pinstripe
2:20:03
Bowl. Just write that one off.
2:20:05
They're not going to send us out West.
2:20:07
I saw the projection today. Clemson's going out West.
2:20:09
Play USC. That would be fun.
2:20:12
That's a guarantee right there. They're going to the Holiday
2:20:14
Bowl. But I think, Brian, you just
2:20:16
said it. I think it's going to be the
2:20:18
Military Bowl because they know Hokies in Northern Virginia,
2:20:22
Richmond, even peep where you are.
2:20:24
It's not that far of a drive for you down to Annapolis, Easy
2:20:28
drive. They fill up the stadium and
2:20:30
then ESPN gets a narrative when they put SMU in there.
2:20:34
This game is going to happen in the future.
2:20:36
The SMU versus Virginia Tech. And I think for us it would be a
2:20:41
challenge. I do that.
2:20:43
It sure as hell would. Now here's what we hope though.
2:20:47
We hope it's a good old Annapolis weather.
2:20:49
It's about 36° and it's a little drizzle.
2:20:51
With that high-powered offense, they got to make some decisions.
2:20:56
I mean, one of my least favorite projections is the Kentucky
2:20:59
Duke's Mayo Bowl. Like, you know, if we had to
2:21:01
play that, we do not want any part of Lynn Bowden two point O,
2:21:07
We don't. We don't want because Ray Davis,
2:21:10
that rushing offense, they would destroy what we got going on in
2:21:15
the linebacking core and whatnot like that.
2:21:17
That just would not be good. I don't.
2:21:19
I do not want either Robbie. Shane didn't make it.
2:21:22
Shane didn't make. It.
2:21:26
Not this year. Not this year, no Mayo, for
2:21:29
shame. This year that's not going to
2:21:31
happen. I did think when I saw the Sun
2:21:32
Bowl projection for Virginia Tech against USC, like I did
2:21:36
kind of perk up like that just sounds wild.
2:21:39
And the fact that, like, we have some corners, could we defend I?
2:21:43
Who knows? Well, Caleb Williams wouldn't be
2:21:44
playing. He wouldn't.
2:21:45
Even play. So I can say half of them
2:21:46
wouldn't. Yeah, that's true.
2:21:48
That's true. So we might get A, we might get
2:21:50
the B team. And still get worked.
2:21:53
I don't know. Yeah, I just hope our guys
2:21:55
playing the bowl game, that's all I want.
2:21:56
Yeah, right, exactly. We already got people declaring
2:21:59
for the portal, so we. Got people already not playing.
2:22:01
So but again, it's just fun to be back in a bowl.
2:22:05
I mean it. It's a little we missed one
2:22:06
season. And it's just it's fun to have
2:22:08
conversations like this because. It is 1000% fun.
2:22:12
It was depressing last year. It was very depressing.
2:22:15
Depressing. Yes, it was all right.
2:22:17
It is after midnight here on the East Coast, over 2 hours, 23
2:22:22
minutes. It has been a blast.
2:22:23
Pete, we really appreciate you joining us.
2:22:25
Has anything broken in the last two hours?
2:22:28
I mean, obviously a coach got hired.
2:22:29
So has anything else broken? Has anybody else entered the
2:22:31
portal or anything like? Pete, that Pete may be entering
2:22:35
the portal and coming to Boundary corner.
2:22:37
I'm just letting y'all know you're talking behind this
2:22:39
thing. You got you got too many people
2:22:43
on this podcast already. You.
2:22:45
Can never have. You can never have too many good
2:22:47
people. I never had too many good.
2:22:49
I love hanging out with you guys.
2:22:50
I, you know, and you gave me some props earlier for for what
2:22:55
I said on your panel. Well go back to the spring when
2:22:58
we did the the spring preview spring game preview down in at
2:23:01
Sharky's and I asked, I asked Brian like who does he like at
2:23:06
wide receiver and he was like Gimme Felton and like we had
2:23:09
heard nothing to that point about Daquan Felton and Brian
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just pulled it right out. I was like, OK, we'll see what
2:23:15
happens and look at felt in the last three games. 321 yards, 4
2:23:18
touchdowns, Good call. Buddy Baller.
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Putting in the work. Putting in the work, man.
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Boys, it's been a great season. Six and six.
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Some people say, well, that's nothing.
2:24:10
Where we were last year at this time with three wins, it did not
2:24:13
look good. But we're getting back.
2:24:15
We saw the development and one last time during the regular
2:24:20
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Okey. Okey, thank you Lord for
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covering drones. The.