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Ep. 64 : Topps Update Release · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode sixty four of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I am Mike Coolard of Rasball, joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer from Rasball,
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  Speaker 1: and you want to start your apology to her now
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  Speaker 1: to all of the Tigers and Padres fans out there,
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  Speaker 1: because the Jinx the curse is back, because you laid
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  Speaker 1: it on them thick last week.
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  Speaker 2: It was bad. It was very bad. I espouse my
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  Speaker 2: desires of a Padres Tiger's world series in well, that
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  Speaker 2: ain't happening. It's definitely it's not possible whatsoever at this point.
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  Speaker 2: It is far from from possible because those two are
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  Speaker 2: out out as can be. So I will have to
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  Speaker 2: restate my world serious predictions because I couldn't even I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even get to the next round of my teams.
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  Speaker 2: So I apologize to all of our wonderful listeners who
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  Speaker 2: craved the Padre Ciger series like I did, and I
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  Speaker 2: just I dropped the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize, Yeah, I mean they tried to push it
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  Speaker 1: for you. They both pushed their DS's to five game series.
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  Speaker 1: And we are speaking on the evening of October sixteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Our main segment that we're going to get into later
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  Speaker 1: is the release of twenty twenty four Tops Update series,
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  Speaker 1: which is a mega release this year, so we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into all the details there. But yeah, let's chat playoffs
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit, because we did have both the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Detroit and San Diego LA series go to five games,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty thrilling. And it's been just
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  Speaker 1: a really fantastic playoff series postseason overall so far that
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  Speaker 1: like those game five certainly were no exception, and those
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  Speaker 1: series in fact themselves that like you know, Detroit I
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  Speaker 1: think ran out of gas a little bit, but San
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  Speaker 1: Diego was hanging with Los Angeles until they ran into
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  Speaker 1: the behemoth that is the Dodgers pitching staff. Apparently with
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  Speaker 1: those thirty three straight shutout innings that they had, as
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  Speaker 1: they really have looked much better from the pitching perspective
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  Speaker 1: than I would have ever thought. But what really stood
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  Speaker 1: out for you in those division series, either from San
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  Speaker 1: Diego LA or Detroit Cleveland or was another one that
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  Speaker 1: really stood out? Since we last stocked last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you actually hit the piece
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  Speaker 2: that I was most intrigued. It was the Dodgers pitching.
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  Speaker 2: I think when we talked just last week. We were
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  Speaker 2: sitting here, like, well, the Dodgers, like they've got a
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  Speaker 2: little pitching but just seems to be so spotty you
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  Speaker 2: can't really rely on it. And then they just rattled
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  Speaker 2: off an unbelievable stretch. And like the Padres, they're a
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  Speaker 2: good offensive team, and that just fell off the cliff.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think it was the Potters forgot how
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  Speaker 2: to hit. I think the Dodgers were just unbelievable on
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  Speaker 2: the mound and they've kind of carried that through. So
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  Speaker 2: that makes them a very very interesting team, very dangerous
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  Speaker 2: team as we start to come through. So it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see if they can keep that up. But
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  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of I think the hope is that
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  Speaker 2: they were able to maintain that. Now. They didn't quite
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  Speaker 2: get there in Game two against the Mets, and they
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  Speaker 2: they gave up a seven spot there and that was
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  Speaker 2: a little unfortunate for the bullpen game that they tried
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  Speaker 2: to try to run out there. But you know, just
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  Speaker 2: running running tonight looks like, you know, they're gonna try
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  Speaker 2: to give it a go with Walker Bueller and see
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  Speaker 2: if he can keep the magic happening. But that's really
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  Speaker 2: big thing for me is the Dodgers look to be
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  Speaker 2: more of a complete team than I was expecting. I'm
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  Speaker 2: still gonna say I'm not quite sure that I believe
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna hold true the rest of the series. I
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  Speaker 2: don't a seven game series. I think it's gonna be tough.
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  Speaker 2: I looked at a little bit more of a hot streak
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  Speaker 2: than a you know, renaissance in the middle of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: So how about you what what sticks out to you
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  Speaker 2: as those division series wrapped up?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even getting into today, I mean, it does
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  Speaker 1: look like the Yankees are rolling to this thing that
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  Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be too much competition in their way.
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  Speaker 1: In the al As, I mean, the Royals put up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a fight, but at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, that offense couldn't sustain them through that series.
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  Speaker 1: And then they're just man handling the Guardians right now
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  Speaker 1: that you want to talk about how quickly fortunes can
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  Speaker 1: change in terms of pitching staffs, on the flip side
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  Speaker 1: of the Dodgers turning into gold, we have the Guardians
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  Speaker 1: just totally falling apart. That like the starting pitching is
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  Speaker 1: even in worse shape than the Dodgers. That bullpen has
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  Speaker 1: been just ground into dust by Stephen vote Between having
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  Speaker 1: to go five games with the Tigers, I think was
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  Speaker 1: the worst case scenario for the Guardians. That the only
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  Speaker 1: reason the way that they could have taken out the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees is if they had you know, swept or even
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  Speaker 1: maybe even four games, if they had beat Detroit in
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  Speaker 1: four games, they would have stood shot to rest that
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  Speaker 1: bullpen a little bit. But it just they're running on
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  Speaker 1: fumes and that offense needed to rely on a great
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  Speaker 1: bullpen to sustain them to any sort of substantial run.
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  Speaker 1: So it does look like it's kind of the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: year between, especially the Judge Soto of it all. They've
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  Speaker 1: got the best frontline pitching, our boy Luke Weaver, who
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  Speaker 1: I mean a little behind the scenes every time we
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  Speaker 1: get onto chat like we're just astounded by our Luke
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  Speaker 1: Weaver pieces taking off on prices. We're moving them piece
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  Speaker 1: by piece on eBay because I've got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals rookie cards that have just sat in boxes of his.
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  Speaker 1: The Yankees, I just it does look like they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be tough to stop because I think they're gonna roll
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  Speaker 1: through Cleveland here pretty quickly, and I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: this Dodgers Mets series is going to be wrapped up
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  Speaker 1: anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right at your point, Luke Weaver
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  Speaker 2: love it from my card collection is very much shrinking
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  Speaker 2: card cruxes at this point. Thank you you were paying
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  Speaker 2: for tops update. But it is definitely a looking like
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  Speaker 2: a Memarian rivera Luke Weaver on the back of that
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  Speaker 2: bullpen which they've struggled to kind of all year to
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  Speaker 2: agree with Clay Holmes and trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 2: they're going to do there. And if this gets them
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  Speaker 2: to rest, and then that means you can just throw
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  Speaker 2: Garrett Cole three times potentially in the world series like
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  Speaker 2: uh oh yeah, exactly that. That's that's enough like that
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  Speaker 2: that that works pretty gosh started well, And they've probably
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  Speaker 2: got a pretty dangerous teams otherwise they don't. They don't.
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  Speaker 2: They can live on the hitting or the pitching, and
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  Speaker 2: when they get the best of both worlds, they are
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  Speaker 2: really going to be dangerous. So I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to believe it the Evil Empire striking
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  Speaker 2: back here, but it does look like they're going to
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  Speaker 2: make it a pretty quick work of the Guardians and
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  Speaker 2: come through. We may have just jinxed them because that's
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  Speaker 2: just how we roll on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, lots of people want that out there that
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  Speaker 1: you know, give a little hope to the Guardians and
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  Speaker 1: to Although I'm tired of seeing those games in Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: with all the Chief Wahoos, it's a it's a little
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  Speaker 1: over time for that trend to be done. That. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you are out there still sporting Chief Wahoo gear
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  Speaker 1: and you're listening to this pod, I don't that cross
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  Speaker 1: section that ven diagram is not very large, I don't think,
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  Speaker 1: but if it is, please consider moving on. It's a
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  Speaker 1: it's been a little while since that has been out
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  Speaker 1: of vogue. But so I think we book got the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees rolling into the World Series. What do you how
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  Speaker 1: do you analyze this NLCS between the Mets and the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a star studded series in terms of everybody
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  Speaker 1: in New York and everybody in LA And before the
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  Speaker 1: game tonight, in the pregame, they had like Jerry Seinfeld
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  Speaker 1: doing the intro and it's a nervy and fun It's
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  Speaker 1: like a heavyweight boxing match that like, I think this
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  Speaker 1: is exactly the type of series that Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 1: has needed for a long time, just to kind of
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  Speaker 1: the game has become so much better since the pitchclock,
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  Speaker 1: And what better way to like kind of thrust that
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  Speaker 1: forward into just the greater American side geist than two
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  Speaker 1: major teams like the Match and the Dodgers. But where
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  Speaker 1: do you how do you see this playing out over
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  Speaker 1: the next few days to you know, a week or so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a is a tough one because like
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  Speaker 2: I go back and I look and like, I just
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  Speaker 2: this will sound counter twit to like I'm still don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I believe in the Dodgers pitching, Like I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know if I believe in it. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that them from an offensive standpoint, I think the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers are a little stronger, but not significantly stronger, And
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  Speaker 2: so I keep going to like, I feel like the
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  Speaker 2: Mets are the team to beat in this series, and
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  Speaker 2: it's not by a large large margin. I just think
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  Speaker 2: that they are. And I feel like they're also gelling
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  Speaker 2: as a team, which like the intangibles in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: like sometimes that's all it takes. I think Lindor has
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  Speaker 2: just been gonna be fantastic and continue to caere that through.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think we're seeing Alonso like making his
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  Speaker 2: last plea to to bring the World series here to
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  Speaker 2: to New York. So I'd love to see uh that happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's very very likely we might be
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  Speaker 2: looking at the Subway series here for go back to
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  Speaker 2: good old times. So I'm about you. I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: calling the Mets am I am? I am? I off
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  Speaker 2: my rocker.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think it is a coin flip.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can make a case for either team.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that this series is going to
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  Speaker 1: go seven. It's just going to be back and forth
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  Speaker 1: and very nervy. I think I give the Dodgers a
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  Speaker 1: slight advantage at this point, partly because like the Mets,
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  Speaker 1: bullpen has looked that is their weak spot. That if
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  Speaker 1: you can get into that bullpen, and especially if you're
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  Speaker 1: not having to deal too much with David Peterson, you
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  Speaker 1: can put Edwin Diaz into just like some higher stress
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  Speaker 1: situations once you get through some of their starters. As
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  Speaker 1: you know, Luis of Areno has looked pretty decent tonight,
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  Speaker 1: and we had you know, Sean and I kind of
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  Speaker 1: continue his almost cy young like form, once you can
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  Speaker 1: get through that and get into that bullpen, that is
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  Speaker 1: the soft underbelly I think of the Mets, and so
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  Speaker 1: that is where the Dodgers I think can hold up.
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  Speaker 1: And in terms of offense, I think I give the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers a little bit of an edge there, but it
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  Speaker 1: is closer than you would have thought, partly because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor has been playing out of his mind. Freddie
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  Speaker 1: Freeman has obviously still been hobbled with that ankle injury.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's somebody that's really stood out for me
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  Speaker 1: on the Mets, it's been Mark Viento's just he's had
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  Speaker 1: a great second half and has really like vaunted himself
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  Speaker 1: into I think significant like upper echelons of like corner
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  Speaker 1: bats for fantasy, but like it's also going to be
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  Speaker 1: really an ace in the pocket for the Mets as
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  Speaker 1: they go to negotiate with Pete Alonzo in the offseason
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  Speaker 1: that Mark Vantos doesn't belong at third base and it
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  Speaker 1: could be pretty easy to slot him in at first
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  Speaker 1: base going into twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's he's you know, I think you and I
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  Speaker 2: both have talked about it when he first came out
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  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of hope and dreams kind of there,
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  Speaker 2: and it just didn't seem to be coming together. And
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  Speaker 2: now it's coming together on the big stage, which there's
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  Speaker 2: no better place for it to happen. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: do think the Mets are gonna do basically everything they
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  Speaker 2: can to keep Alonso around. I think that fan base
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  Speaker 2: will potentially revolt if that's not accomplished. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: a World Series can definitely, you know, lessen any wounds
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  Speaker 2: in that area for sure. So like I said, I
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  Speaker 2: got my money on the on the Mets. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: if it comes through, and you know, maybe I'll just
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  Speaker 2: change my tune later and I for see the results
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  Speaker 2: in Game three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as we chat through Game three tonight, it is
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  Speaker 1: currently two nothing in the second inning, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: little rinky dink runs that looks like Luis Severino because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where Walker Beeler goes to. Like that's I think gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a big portion of how the Dodgers play out
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  Speaker 1: because we saw how that bullpen game went and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't great. Part of it too, is like you got
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  Speaker 1: to think if there's another bullpen game, the front office
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  Speaker 1: is already in Dave Roberts's ear just jawn at him
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  Speaker 1: for his handling of that game because they only ended
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  Speaker 1: up losing by three, and like, there were many moments
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  Speaker 1: where they could have come back, and you know, if
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  Speaker 1: he had kept it tighter, made some switches, not ridden
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  Speaker 1: Land and Nac as long, I think, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: could have seen a pathway to the Dodgers even winning
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  Speaker 1: Game two and also maybe ending up in a situation
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  Speaker 1: where you know, they could be meeting the Yankees much
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  Speaker 1: earlier than anticipated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is gonna be fun. And if I
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  Speaker 2: had to say I'm cheering for the Subways series, it's
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  Speaker 2: weird to say that at this point in time, but
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  Speaker 2: like I think just the spectacle of it is is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be just insane for everybody to enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, like it it is good fun. I
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  Speaker 1: think either way, it's gonna be a fun world series.
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  Speaker 1: I mean even Dodgers Inkyes, I know it's getting a
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  Speaker 1: lot of kind of gruff on social media that I think,
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  Speaker 1: especially you know, you have these two behemoths of the
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  Speaker 1: sport meeting each other. But like I mean, Judge and
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  Speaker 1: Otani and you got Cole and Yamamoto and just all
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  Speaker 1: the stars and all involved. It is going to be
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  Speaker 1: like a super marquee event. I think the nice thing
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  Speaker 1: is either way, either the Subway series or Dodgers Inkeys.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we'll be talking in a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: after the Guardians rattle off this world series and open
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  Speaker 1: up the hell hole that the Cubs also did back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: I want to correct you, but that's just the way
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  Speaker 2: we this podcast happens. So let's I'm not counting my
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  Speaker 2: chickens Moore the hatch here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Okay, Well, let's get into a few
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  Speaker 1: bits of news and notes that we have before we
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  Speaker 1: dive into tops update. And so we only really have
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  Speaker 1: like two pieces of news. It's been a really quiet
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  Speaker 1: news week since we talked last week. And the first
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  Speaker 1: one is we've been talking about him a lot throughout
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  Speaker 1: the summer, even though he didn't have any significant impact
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  Speaker 1: on the game this year or our fantasy game. And
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  Speaker 1: as Clayton kersh off from the Dodgers, he has announced
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  Speaker 1: that he's coming back in twenty twenty five. So he
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  Speaker 1: missed a significant portion of the season as he was
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  Speaker 1: recovering from his first surgery. I think so the shoulder
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  Speaker 1: surgery was the first time he had gone under the knife,
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  Speaker 1: and he, you know, has he's getting up there in age.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's exactly three hundred and sixty seven days younger
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  Speaker 1: than me, so he's uh thirty six, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he'll be going into his thirty seven aged thirty seven
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  Speaker 1: season next year. But he was shut down at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year with a bones bur in his toe,
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  Speaker 1: which he hasn't actually had surgery on yet. He got
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  Speaker 1: to think that he's going to be having it soon,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe he's waiting until the end of the playoff run,
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  Speaker 1: so he can you know, hang out during thingsgiving with
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  Speaker 1: a boot on. And what do you think that this
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  Speaker 1: kind of four tends for Kershaw coming back? I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if I'm gonna ask you, like I guess
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  Speaker 1: i am, because I'm rhetorically already about to put it
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  Speaker 1: out there whether or not. Like the past few off seasons,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a question of whether Kershaw goes to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: The Rangers are retires. I think at this point it's
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  Speaker 1: only Dodgers as long as in town that like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the Dodgers anywhere else. Yeah, So he's so coming
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  Speaker 1: back to the Dodgers, what do you think he can do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, it's it's Clayton Kershaw.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's one of those we talk about players that
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  Speaker 2: when they play, they're good and they're great. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's still who Clayton Kershaw is. It's the question of
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  Speaker 2: how much of that do you get? And I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: probably take it onto a little bit of the Max
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  Speaker 2: Scherzer track of stepping back a little bit, but like
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  Speaker 2: stepping back from amazing too great, maybe great, to really
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  Speaker 2: really really good. And I still see Kershaw as that
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  Speaker 2: guy that can go sub three e r A, get
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  Speaker 2: a strikeout per inning, have an incredibly low whip, and
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  Speaker 2: get wins. Like that's that's who he is. He's on
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  Speaker 2: the right team for that. There's no question in my
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  Speaker 2: mind that he has that capability. He said his arm
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  Speaker 2: feels fantastic. What else are you gonna say? I get it.
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  Speaker 2: But like, Kershaw has never been one to like speak
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  Speaker 2: in the media and like really go out in a
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  Speaker 2: limb and say, oh, I'm the best shape in my
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  Speaker 2: life or anything like that. Like he just does his work.
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  Speaker 2: And so for him actually speaking this way, like the
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  Speaker 2: hunger's there. He's still fully in. He's pitching for the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers next year. He's probably gonna have a full off
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  Speaker 2: season to kind of work himself back. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: matter of how many starts does he get. I think
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  Speaker 2: you pencil them in for fifteen, and anything more than
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  Speaker 2: that you're happy with. And those fifteen are gonna be really,
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  Speaker 2: really good, And I think people are gonna undervalue that.
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  Speaker 2: It just because at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to find a picture that gets twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: starts anymore. And so if he gets fifteen and you
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  Speaker 2: get lucky, you'll be absolutely thrilled. So I'm still still
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  Speaker 2: buying the Clayton Kershaw as long as the price is reasonable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how about you, are you buying next year
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: or you're on the sidelines.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I am, just partly because, like in essence,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: he rehabbed that shoulder this year and so that gives
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: him a lot, you know, another off season here to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: work on it. It does depend a little bit, I think,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on how this kind of bone spur situation goes, But
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: like you said, we might not hear much of it
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: until spring. And he's also been a guy who just
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: guts through stuff. That like, considering everything that's gone on
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: with his back and his shoulder and just how many
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: innings he's put in for the Dodgers in his career,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like a bone spur is going
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to hold him back that much. And I do think that, like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: as he got to sit and watch a lot of
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: this show Heyo Tani fifty to fifty season, got to see, like,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you know, even like the Dodgers this year still rattled
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: off ninety eight wins with Mookie Betts almost being out
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: two months, Freddie Freeman just having a really tumultuous year
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: between his son having a medical issue and having the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: broken fingers and having the twisted ankle. The Dodgers never
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: found a shortstop, and so like there's a lot of
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: like flaws on this ninety eight win Dodgers team that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it's really hard. I think it's gonna be hard for
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Kershaw to walk away from that as he sees everything
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that he's been working for in la is certainly coming together,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: partly on the shoulders of show Heyo Tani. But like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't see how this team isn't a can tender,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like automatic CS team even maybe even automatic World Series team,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: although they should have been that for a few years.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: For the next five.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you have a rotation next year
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: of Yamamoto, you know, fully integrated in the MLB glass
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: now healthy, ish Otani back pitching, Kershaw pitching like it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I'm missing somebody, I'm sure, but like it's it's gonna
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: be really really tough. And if some of those hitters
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: who've had bad years they just haven't been like their
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: their selves come to fruition. Yeah, it's gonna be pretty
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: pretty hard to to look away from the Dodgers, even
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: if they don't make upgrades, Like if they just get healthy,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be dangerous, let alone if they make
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: some some additions.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean you there's a lot of talent
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: on that back end, Like Gonsolin will be back for sure.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: We will probably eventually get dustin to me, but not
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: for a while. River Ryan will not be back, and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Devin Stone isn't in the playoffs right now, so he
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: was pretty solid for them in the regular season. He
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: should be back. I have a feeling they might bring
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: back Flaherty, like why not, Like it does seem like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: he's been pitching. Well there he's from so Cow And
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: then you got like, you know, guys like Jackson Ferris
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: coming through.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Bobby pretty good, well he was.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows he does need an off
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: season like that is the classic guy who needs an
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: off season. But I'm sure they'll find some way to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: fill in the back end of that. Maybe they even like,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you know, convert Brent Honeywell or Anthony Bandon into just
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: some sort of devastating, vibining guy. But it'll be interesting
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to see where Kershi ends up in his rehabs. And yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we'll get into more, I think once we get into
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: draft season and start getting some ADP data. All right,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: next bit of news that we have is it just
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: dropped a little bit before we got into this pod tonight,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that there are news reports that Jerry Reinsdorf is open
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to selling the White Sox and it does look like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: one of the league contenders that would be coming in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is a Dave Stewart led ownership group that has been
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in talks a lot to try to bring a team
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to Nashville. I will say that I am extremely skeptical
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of this that Jerry is kind of the classic like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: on me. And then like I'm not going to be
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: fooled by any news that kind of goes through this
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: process that it does seem a little bit more of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like I mean, Ardy Marino has been doing this every
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: off season for what like three or four years. Like
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if like Jerry's just trying to like
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: find some good will and sell a few tickets or
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: if he actually is serious about this. But what do
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you read into this situation? Do you think that Jerry
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is serious about moving on from the White Sox and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: do you think it's possible that they could be on
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: their way to Nashville with the new ownership group.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been to divide this one between what I
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: think is gonna happen, what should happen. Okay, what what
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: should happen is yes you should sell, and yes they
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: should move to Nashville. I think that's a pretty pretty
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: clear one for me, and not just because I'd like
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to go watch a team in Nashville. I think that
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: would actually be pretty pretty fun. I think with city
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that can actually a support a major league team, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: know that I get to hear about you complain about
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: it for the next year on the podcast as well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and that'd just be fantastic for all of us. I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: apologize to many of our listeners, but but it's Jerry
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and he's just wasn't in the news the last few
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: weeks and he just felt like talking about it. Because
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the Twins are talking about it, like other teams are
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: looking at it, we might as well be in the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: conversation too, because what's better than selling a team that
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: won two games this year like it's just it's just
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: not it's just not logical, doesn't make any sense, Nothing's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: gonna happen here. I'd like to say that's a bold statement.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. This. This is totally just
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: off season fodder for the White Sox. So you're the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: residant White Sox expert. Tell me where I'm wrong. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: feel like this is just too too clear.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I just I don't see any way
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: how he doesn't just hand it down to his sons
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and like, yeah, on top of it too, like the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Dave Stewart group, Like I don't know why this would
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: be your doorway or like your entry way into getting
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a team in Nashville, Like, the market in Chicago is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: just so significant, and if you actually marketed your team
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: correctly and ran it correctly unlike j Jerry Reinstorf, it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: could be a very significant team that, like, I just
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: don't see how you make that type of investment and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: move that team out of the market that is Chicago
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to the brand new market down in Nashville. That like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it does work theoretically, and I've seen some people like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: mentioned on social media that you know, the the entry
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: fee for starting an expansion team is probably going to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: be right around like two billion dollars, possibly like from MLB,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and so, like, it is possible you could certainly buy
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the White Sox for cheaper than that and then go
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: through the process of moving them to Nashville as opponent
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to starting the brand new franch But I just don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: see how in the long run that pays off better
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: than keeping the White Socks in Chicago.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just I just want to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: see something happen with the White Sox, to be honest,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: because like there's a note there's nothing happening, But you're right,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: like it just doesn't make sense for it to happen.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, like I said, I feel like Jerry
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: just needs to be in the news every once in
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a while and this is his way of doing it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And we'll be talking about it, speculating throughout the winter.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing's going to happen, and then we'll move on. So
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: any good business guy or poor a business guy is
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: going to kick the tires if the opportunity cames up.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And that's all this is.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Okay, Well, we got some
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: card news in terms of releases coming out on the calendar,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: so we are speaking on October sixteenth. That is the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: really state for TOPS update. So get out there and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: buy it at hobby shops near you or I think
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it's still available on dot com. Let me check. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: haven't checked in.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think so unless it was gone mid mid afternoon,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: unless they reposted, which they may have.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Value boxes are still online.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: But value boxes okay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the hobby and jumbo boxes are gone, so
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you'll have to go either via hobby shop or eBay
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: or somewhere else to find hobby products you can't get
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: directly from TOPS right now. Value boxes are obviously there,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but the value boxes will also be out in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: wild at retail, at Targets and Walmart's and all over. So,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like I said, after we come back from this upcoming break,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: we will get into that big checklist. So stick around
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: if you want more Tops update details. Still have Allen
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Ginter in the thirtieth. On November sixth, we have Stadium Club.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: On the thirteenth, we have Tops chrumb Update, which is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit earlier than I think it traditionally has been.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Usually it's not quite like back to back to back
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like that, because obviously they're trying to capitalize on some
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of the stuff we're gonna talk about with update from
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the Top side and the juicy one. I'm excited for this.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: We had Stadium Club being added to the schedule last week.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: This week Holiday is on the schedule, so I'm I'm
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: jazzed for that. I I love a good TOPS Holiday release,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and I know you do too. So are you feeling
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: festive this week as you see that on your calendar
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and I can see you're You're like you're ready to go.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling festive like Tops Holiday, Like when I first
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: started ripping TOPS Holiday, I'm like, this is just such
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a gimmicky product, and it's what I love is just
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: it's such an accessible product and you can get it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It's like I think every box is guaranteed a relic,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like there's all these little little just you know, easter
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: eggs of weird uh, you know, short prints. Like it's
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: just a fun, fun product and the price point is
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: so reasonable, and oddly it holds its value for pretty
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: pretty well. And and then that's just because the value
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: starts pretty low. But I think it's just a fun
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: product and every year I grab a few boxes just
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: because why not. And it's like you said, I think
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you can probably buy like five boxes for the cost
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: of like a hobby box of updates, so there's no
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: reason not to play playing that into the pool.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. And it also like, even though
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's quite different from the actual like design and everything,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of like the Collector's Choice
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: upper deck Collector's Choice back in the day, where like
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it is just like you know that it's a cheaper rip,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but it's just fun, great pictures, great designs that I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be and it's gonna look ridiculous with
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: this year's twenty twenty four design that I'm looking forward
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to TOPS Holiday.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's true, it's good. I don't know what they're gonna
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: do with this year's it's gonna gonna be fun.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Futuristic neon slash holiday themed. It's gonna it could get
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a little crazy pretty fast, especially and all the Paul
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: schemes like parallels and stuff. It's gonna be a blast
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of a product. Okay, well, we're gonna take a quick
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: break and we will be back on the other side
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to do an overview of TOPS twenty twenty four update.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Stick around, all right, Welcome back everybody. We are discussing
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the release of twenty twenty four TOPS Update, and so
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: this is released on October sixteenth as we are speaking,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and you can find it everywhere hobby shops, retail stores
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: all across the country. We're looking at a three hundred
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and fifty card set. And so if you're not familiar
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: with what Update is compared to, you know, Flagship Series
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one and Series two, this is what I would almost
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: consider like Series three and so usually Update in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: past has been a little bit more short printed, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: if you especially I think about to the nineteen eighty
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: nine set when you had the Griffy that was buried
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: in the update and other updates that have kind of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: come out throughout the years, I would say that's changed
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: within maybe I think probably around twenty eighteen. Honestly, like
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the otani Akunya Sodo Rookies were probably about the last
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ones where the Update series was significantly like less printed
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: than the series one, Series two. I mean, certainly, I'm
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: sure our boy TOPS Production BB has the actual numbers,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with gut feeling just based on
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: how much like you see of Update in the wild
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: between that delineation and obviously with that Rookie class, I
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot more demand for Update As you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: baseball cars have also become more mainstream again, and you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: know Tops has been printing more of them on top
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of like, it's just kind of easier to distribute these
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: than it used to be back in the day where
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the retailers only had a few sets and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of spot and didn't want to churn
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in as much, and releasing Update series is through hobby
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Stories was just a lot more difficult. So we have,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like I said, a three hundred and fifty card set
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: which includes lots and lots of hot rookies this time.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And so Brew, I know you opened your first hobby
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: box of this. What can you tell the people out
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: there in terms of your experience opening that hobby box
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and any of the highlights maybe from that opening before
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: we get into the nitty gritty details here.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know the two key boxes you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: go out after, the Hobby or the Jumbo, And I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: think on tops it was the Hobby was ninety and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the Jumbo was two hundred. Then you got taxis fees,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and so you end up
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: being like one hundred for the Hobby and two twenty
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: ish for the for the Jumbo. And I think it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: really just a kind of tale of like what do
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you want for the Gramma guarantee perspective and if you
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: want if you're collecting the whole set, if you're looking
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: for the whole run, you want to make sure you
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: get a Paul Skin's rookie. Want to make sure you
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: get a little of everything. It's the jumbos the way
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to go, guaranteed. I think we talked about a little
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: bit as far as what these always are guaranteed in
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: auto and two relics in the hobby boxer're guaranteed at
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: least one auto or relic, so for myself, I we
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: actually were talking before the show, my hobby was actually
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: kind of loaded from from some aspect here. I managed
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to get a relic uh and an auto just in
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the base packs and then pull an auto in the
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: silver pack as well. So I managed to get two
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: autos and one relic out of the the hobby box,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: which is probably not the expectation, but then the get
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to get to your point on the printing, I had
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: one colored cart colored numbered card which was a gold
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: thank you Kevin pillar, and then you know, it was
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: just kind of a mismatch of the of the rookies
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and a few inserts.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: There are some new inserts this year, some fun stuff.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I know we'll get it into. So it is still
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a really really fun product to rip. And I have
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to say with we as we talk about the number
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of rookies in this one, it does it kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: takes me a little bit back to I'm gonna say,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: like twenty twenty Series one when you're ripping looking for
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like you're done and Gavin Lux like you just felt
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: like every pack you were opening had a big rookie
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in it. Now, I think the hobby was kind of
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: going a little crazy design is a big rookie was
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: in the eye of beholder, but like it definitely as
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I was opening this, like first pack, I opened him
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like there's a Scheme's debut. There's Wyatt Langford, there's Jackson Merrill,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Like I was hitting like all these big names, Like, man,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: this is this is fun, Like it's it's going through
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and seeing the bass cards of some of those big
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: name and rookies, and you know they chalked it full
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: because they double up the rookies with the rookies and
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the rookie debut cards, so you're you're hitting some big
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: name in almost every pack and something that you can
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: absolutely absolutely dream on. So it was it's a fun
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: ripped to me. And again, having a hobby box right
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: around one hundred dollars mark is really reasonable. I'm still
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a big proponent of ripping on the release day or
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: very closely thereafter if you want to kind of recapture
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: some of your value back on the secondary market. But
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I think I do think this is going to be
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: a pretty pretty fun product long term for folks to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: hold on to. I'm guessing that the print runs are
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: up there quite a way, so great product. Really excited
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to be the first, one of the first products I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to rip in sometimes. And it took me a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: while to find find the box in the in the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: local market today. Because I wanted it today, I had
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to pay up a little bit extra than I normally
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: would have for it, But I'm glad I got it,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Glad I ripped it. It lasted a whole fifteen minutes. That's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: mainly because my ten year old found his way and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: helped me rip through it as well. So nothing like
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: opening open some.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Packs with your child, yes exactly. And speaking to those
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: print runs, you can find this in the show notes
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: well as well as the checklist and anything else that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. You can go to rasball dot com.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: We're we will actually have pictures of some of the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: cards and designs that we're about to talk about, because yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this is an audio format and we're talking about things
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that are much more striking visually so in terms of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: production rate though, we use the tops BB tops production
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: BB on Twitter, and you can see it right off
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the bat twenty twenty two total base. So this is
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like each one of those three hundred and fifty cards
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I was talking about, there were one point one five
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: million of them printed, twenty twenty three three million, so
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it really went to the roof in twenty twenty three
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four came back at three point one
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: four million. So obviously with a bunch of those big rookies,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: we'll get into it. But tops Update also known for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the other side, which is teams you know, signing veteran
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: free agents that for the back end of rosters that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you know, fill out this this set. So like you
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just mentioned Kevin Palar, players like that of that ILK
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: kind of rounded out, which is why the pricing of
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: this product is right on par with Series one, Series two.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But honestly it is better quality because, like you said,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it's got a guaranteed auto or relic. As opposed to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Series one Series two. On that hobby box, you weren't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: guaranteed a quote unquote relic, a real relic. You might
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: have hit a manufactured relic, which isn't the case here
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: with Update series. You are getting real relics, whether or
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: not they're actually like game used in player worn and whatever.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: That's probably not I mean, that's a little bit more
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of an industry wide thing, but that's probably not happening.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But at least it is like an actual hunk of
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a jersey or something like that. So let's get into
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: some of those rookies because, like I said, it's a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: big one in terms of the checklist. It's why those
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: numbers are way up and why the excitement for this
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: project is out there. We've got the bass rookie cards
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of Paul Skeens, Jackson, Holiday Jackson, Sario Jackson, Merrill Hope, Keith,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Wyatt Langford, among others. So there's a lot in there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And with that, we've also got this rookie debut cards
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and if you want to explain to the audience out there,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with the rookie debut cards are a little bit as
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: well as some other rookie debuts you might find in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the set.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so rookie rookie debut cards. A big hallmark of
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: TOPS Update for many years is the card that produced
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: commemorating the actual debut date and game of that player. Example,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: here Paul Skeen's rookie debut May eleventh and twenty twenty four,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and then on the back of the card, it actually
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: instead of having the stats or anything like that, it
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: talks about the debut, how he failed, what he you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: what he pulled off in the experiences, what his batting
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: line or pitching line was, and so it's a card
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: really dedicated to the debut game itself typically holds a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: maybe a i'd say a fifty value of the standard
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: rookie card, but it is another rookie logo card and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: so definitely a fun little kicker for tops. Update also
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: another way for them to really get those big names
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: into the product, because there are plentiful So what the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: guys you just listed off, You're absolutely gonna see a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: handful of their cards throughout the set, give you more
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: opportunities to get colored variations of their their rookie cards
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: quote unquote. So rookie cards are definitely all the rage
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and pops. Update that said, long term do don't really
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: seem to pull the same collector value as an update
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: true rookie, and those debut cards are usually you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: even of the best of the best stars or five
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: dollars or less, and kind of that secondary market long
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: long term, so it'll be interesting to see how they
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: play this time around. You know what's the Paul Skeens
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: hype isn't enough to drive even the rookie debut cards crazy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: We'll see, yeah, and it has been a while since
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: we've actually kind of seen anybody of too much. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: would say significance overall that has a debut card, especially
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: going back to the twenty eighteen set with Otani, Acunya, Soto,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: those ones have held some value out there in the market,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: especially the Otani one obviously, and I would say the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Acunya one second, he's okay, yeah, exactly, but they they're
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: never trading. I mean, during like the pandemic, some of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: those cards were trading for about the same price as
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the base at points. But that was a fever dream
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and that's over so thankfully. And the nice thing that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I like to do with update though, is like, not
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: only do we have those great rookies that you can
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: try to flip now to get some of that hobby
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: box value back, or you you know, you want to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: tuck away your sharpest Paul Schemes or Jackson Merril card,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you know, just for your personal collection. There's also lots
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and lots of rookies. Just in update series, we're all
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: between you know, guys who barely play at all in
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the majors, you know, relievers, everyday players, and just these
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: stars too. So what I like to do, though, is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: like take a lot of those rookies that come through
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: an update and just tuck them away because you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the current value of them actually in the market's pretty
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: much nil. You know, they're like a common card in
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: terms of like that kind of classic I think of,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: especially like the Beckett magazine is like the classic like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: five to ten cent card. Maybe you can get you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: fifty twenty five cents for them, but they're not significant
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: cards now. But because of where they are in their
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: careers obviously, you know, and especially given the way that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: trajectories of baseball players can take lots of different paths,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, players can pop up out of nowhere
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and really do well. Like I like to tuck these away,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and especially players that I think about from previous sets
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that are like this. You know, we had like Cole
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Reagan's last year who wasn't trading for much and now
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: you know, has a little bit of value. Royce Lewis
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two George Kirby in twenty twenty two.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I've got lots of George Kirby's tucked away because like
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: it does seem like George Kirby is going to turn
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: into a pretty significant picture down the stretch of his career.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: You got like Logan Gilbert in twenty one, Nester Cortez
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: is buried in twenty twenty, Luisa Rise actually is a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: pretty big one in twenty nineteen, where that's certainly in
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of like those dime boxes even still probably,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: but that is a pretty decently valued rookie card. Now,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So what types of players are you looking for here
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four update where the pricing on them,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the trading of them might not be too hot right now,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but you could see them really rounding into form in
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and having some value in a couple of years.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I'm I'm doing this the analog way here,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and I just I'm I'm going through when I when
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I rip a box of cards, And I'm sure everybody
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: has their own methodology, Like I sort into different stacks.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I sort into an interesting rookie stack and a not
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: interesting rookie stack. I sort the base, I sort my
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Cardinals out, I've got my inserts that I've got my
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: hits like that. It's kind of a hot, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: hodgepodge of strategy. So I was going through my interesting
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: rookie stack, and you know, compared to the guys we
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: call out the Schemes, the holiday Cheerios, Merrills, the Keiths,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the Langfords, those types of guys. And then I pulled
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: out the ones that were in my interesting stack, but
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: not those names unless be you know, full fully transparent
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: here ripped a hobby. So I'm missing plenty of names
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: because I got probably half the half the set in
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: here as far as guys that were really in there,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: but the ones that jumped out to me in my
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: three names one and I struggle go here from a
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: pitching perspective. But in Pittsburgh we got Jared Jones. Jared
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Jones is definitely an intriguing one. Seems like he could
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: be a workhorse, definitely wore down during this season, had
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: had some struggles at some point, but definitely an interesting
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: guy that next year. Another guy that I think, you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: he still has growth to go and could be really
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: interesting and didn't have the greatest uh, you know, rookie showing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Lizzie came out last year as Kyle Menzardo, I think
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: from the Guardians, definitely a lot of intrigued there. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: probably the one if I'm gonna put my hat on
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: him as a guy that could really make a play
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: at some point would be Tyler Black for for the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee Brewers. I think a guy that could you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: conceivably go twenty twenty really, could you know, in that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: kind of market, be the name of the of the team, Like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: is that like the most likely outcome? Not necessarily, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: are the tools and the things there to really take
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that team that city by storm? Yeah? He absolutely could.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: So those are the kind of the guys that I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: got in my list, And, like I said, if you're
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: making me pick one of those guys out, as much
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: as we talked about Joey Lo Perfido earlier this year,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't go there. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Tyler Black as my call out there. So how about you?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Who did I miss? Who's the guy that you're kind
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: of gonna jump on here?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think that's a great choice. The
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: couple of other guys that I am looking at first,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of the yeah, maybe a little wish casting
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is as in Barger, I can't quit this guy that like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: he does a great bat for the Blue Jays. He's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: only twenty four. He should have a pretty good shot
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: at a larger role going to next year. And especially
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: like when I'm looking at these types of cards and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for guys who can kind of fall into
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: this category, it's especially players who I could see, like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you know, going to an All Star Game or two.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And then that gets into a little bit like the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: strategy we've talked about during the summer, where you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you kind of like scirrel away some of these rookie cards,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and then when they do something significant in their career,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: either you know, make an All Star game, throw a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: no hitter, do something that just kind of puts them
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on the map in baseball, the rookie card rises ever
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: so slightly and you kind of look to capitalize on
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that quickly. But if there's one guy who I think
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at more seriously than Barger, it's actually Andy
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: pa Haes from the Los Angeles Dodgers that I think
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: he is kind of hidden within this series and I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: think also just hidden within baseball overall. You know, he's
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: still super young. He's only twenty three. He really has
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: still a decent amount of development left in him because
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he has been banged up over the past couple of years.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And I think as he gets a bigger and bigger
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: opportunity in Los Angeles, you could see pa Haes really
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: kind of turning a corner into somebody who could be
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you know, cut time All star, significant piece of a
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Dodgers team that wins a few World Series and you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: can see a little bit of value there. So that's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the guy who I think I'm looking at and trying
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to tuck away.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a really interesting call because that's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: you got the big stage there, and you definitely have
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: some tools. It's kind of like what you Hopevin Lux
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was gonna be. It'll see, you know, if if yes
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: can can make that happen. So I think that's a
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: great call. Yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well let's get into some of those insert sets
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that I talked about. So we've got a lot of
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the tried and trews in terms of the you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: thirty fifth anniversary cards. So those are your nineteen eighty
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: nine like insert parallels and so it's got the nineteen
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: eighty nine design on it. In terms of the scripts
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: team and the white border, it's classic. And I think these,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: especially given the color match with the script like, they're
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: going to be popular. I think that the Paul Schemes
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: one is going to be a very kind of popular
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: card for a long time, especially the parallels. You know,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: if you could get that in like the black color match, woah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: just like perfect as well as all the other rookies
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: like it's a great design. A lot of them have
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: had other cards in the series one and two that
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: are in the nineteen eighty nine design, So just make
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: sure that you're getting the one that you want. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: think the ones that came earlier will probably have a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: little value more value, but I don't think you're gonna
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: go wrong just because the design pretty well. Also got
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the tops black gold that we have gotten used to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: gotten used to the All Star checklist as well during updates,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: so that also pairs up well with surprisingly some nice
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: relics that like the All Star relics. I hated these
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: jerseys when I was watching it on TV. I still
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: hate them and like when I see them outside these cards,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: but in the cards with the design on the cards
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and the colors of the jerseys. I kind of like them.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Am I crazy?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I don't, You're crazy? And I did pull one of
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: those in my box and like, and I pulled a
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: gold version which actually makes it look k look even
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: better because it actually kind of it's a kind of
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a burnt gold which actually matches the jersey which is
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: like ugly tan, but it's actually kind of works in
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: this design. And the thing is with these is you
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: talked about, you know, player worn. These are events worn relics.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: These are actually relics from the player wore the jersey
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: during the All Star festivities. Like again, it's still kind
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: of player worn because they weren't during the festivities. Was
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: like they took their pick pootoo, they took the jersey
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: uput I want, like right, but it's it is a
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: little bit a unique twist on the Hey game used
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what game it was, but Hey, I
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: know that this this patch was used and on you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: the player's back at the All Star Game festivities. That's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like a unique little wrinkle to those cards. And I
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: think that's a great, great play by by tops.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that I think they look really sharp,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and especially last year's were awful from the like the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Seattle All Star Game, they look terrible, but something about
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the motif of them. This year it does look pretty sharp.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So we've also got our repeats of what we've had
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in Series one and two between heavy lumber, home field advantage,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: legendary home field advantage, and of course we've also got
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: stars of MLB still around along with those chrome versions,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: so certainly keep an eye out for those. We do
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: have a pretty significant short print included here in tops
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: update where they have brought back the first Pitch series.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So what this is is actually an insert of celebrities
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and non baseball players who are doing first pitches. So
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: popular cars I can think of over the years are
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: There's an Aubrey Plaza one for the Dodgers that has
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: always been popular. Kendrick Lamar for the Dodgers has been popular.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I like the John Goodman one for the Saintless Cardinals.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know the years on these, I wish I did,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: but that's kind of like the example of what we got.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: The checklist actually wasn't released on Beckett, but just looking
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: on eBay, I think it's just four of five of
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: them that I think it's looking Andy Reid, Jaden Daniels,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: metro Booman, Zach Edy, and neymar I think are the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: first five first pitch players or like cards that we
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: have as well as autograph parallels. So those will be
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I think extremely popular in terms of the crossover that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: you're looking at of you know, popular football stars. You
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: got metro Booman and Big Saint Louis Jersey and the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Low Jersey. So what do you think about these first
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: pitch cards? Are they too gimmicky for you? Or are
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: they kind of like threatening that needle just right?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's it's a little gimmicky, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: justin it works just enough. Like it's you didn't go
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: fully outside the sport and just pull something else completely random,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you still like connected it to the game, and it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: not such a deep list that you've rule fully watered
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it down. So I'm a slight buy on this one.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I do like the concept, but I still it still
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: feels a little bit of a stretch trying to stretch
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the baseball market to maybe other sports and things like that.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm a lukewarm on it. I'll take one if
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I get it, but it's probably not the thing that
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I'd be searching for. So how about you, Is this
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be your holy grail here to collect the whole
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: set of first pitch cards?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's gonna That would be tough because other
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: times it hasn't been a short print, So it hasn't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: been in a set in a little bit, and it
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: hasn't gone the short print route like some Usually it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: been just a kind of more normal insert where you
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: know it's like one every twenty packs or whatever. It
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: is about one in every ninety hobby packs. Is that
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: what it is? Let me check it again, one hundred
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and sixty hobby packs, So it's it's a pretty tough
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: hole hole out of hobbies. One in every eighty fat
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: packs or forty hangers, So that's a you're looking at.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's actually not a bad ratio for hangers
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and fat packs now that I think about it, compared
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to how much you would have to pay for hobby boxes.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: But I like them, but they I prefer them when
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: they're like the celebrities and not. And then you get
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: outside sports a little bit more that usually those sports.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: The sports crossover is like, especially you look at like
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is in a Nationals jersey, but like, I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: don't think Jaden Daniels is a Nationals fan that, like
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I enjoy the enthusiasm of the celebrities actually usually are
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: rooting for those teams that they're pitch during the first
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: pitch for. And so this is also why I'm kind
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of holding out hope that Ludacris with that kind of
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like foam arms that he did for the Atlanta Braves
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this year makes it into first pitch for next year.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: That bill feel like they're mis missing out on some
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: of the greatest first pitches of all time. Maybe like
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you just need to go it was the Mayor Cincinnati
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: or fifty cent or guys like that, Like I think,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is there a fifty cent one? I've missed that one.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Let me find it. I thought there was. But maybe
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it's also like a knockoff card or something like. But yes,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: they've it's been like I said, it's been a hot
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: minute since these have been around. But uh, yeah, they
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: did have a fifty cent one fifteen okay, fair, Oh
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: yeah I recall this one now, Okay, yeah, you also
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: had like Jack Black in that, but it back in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. That was just a normal set. It was
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: just a normal insert set. Wasn't all that hard to hit,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and certainly much larger. So yeah, we'll keep our eyes
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: on that, especially. You know, if you've got Namar autos
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: in this product.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those are those?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Be nice? You also might be singing a different tune
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: on these if you had pulled the name our auto.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Right, I love it, I love it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's get into some of those other insert sets,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: because we've got some new ones that have come through,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and I have some mean things to say about them.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So the two new ones that really stand out to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: me are we've got first, the He's Cooking set or
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: let Him Cook? Sorry I misspoke, they let Him Cook checklist,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: which is a twenty five card checklist one in every
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: thirty two Hobby packs. So a decently rare insert, but
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: not like the hardest insert to pull. And they're boring
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: is all get out. I don't even know how to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: describe them. They have like light flames in the background,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: like very hinted. But first you should I go into
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the other set or should I get into the rant? Now?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Go for it? I want to, I want to hear it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I'm ready for it, go for it. Well, I'm trying
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: to find a picture of to let him cook while
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: we do that, but do it.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: The rant goes a little bit with the next new set,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: which is Mystical, which is a fifty card set, one
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: in every twelve Hobby packs. So a lot of these
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: cards also not that hard to hit. But what it
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: is is like outlandish. It's like a candy Land card
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: in terms of the players are you know, in a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: cloudy scene usually and it's just kind of like rainbows
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: and there's like unicorns and all sorts of just kind
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of weird stuff on it. Where so here's my thing
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: is you went really crazy on the Mystical set and
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: then you went so bland on the let them Cook set,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Like why one the Mystical set, like it just is
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: not doing anything for me? Is part of it? That
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: like I just don't see the gimmick within it that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily like on a theme, it's kind
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: of like My Little Pony or care Bears, but it's not,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of strange as opposed to let
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: them Cook, Like why didn't you lean into it? And
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: like photoshop these players into like chef suits or just
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: like really get into the restaurant like theme or grilling theme.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: That like there is no standout quality feature to them
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the mystical set. Almost goes like too
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: far the other way. And I haven't seen these in person.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe they have like an extra different foil on them.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: You've got them? Is it god like a foil? It?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why I was gonna disagree with you,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: because when I opened these, I didn't had looked at
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: this before. They do have a very interesting foil refractor
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: on it, and I don't know how to describe it,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: like it's it's almost like he has to say it
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: like glitter, like kind of smear glitter. It's it's very
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: it is very like the weird thing that there's a
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: little like like, yes, it's kind of like a sparkle
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: is kind of what it is. And when you look
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: at it, it really jumps and it's just it it
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: any direction you turn, it has a different refraction to
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it and it's not a consistent refraction, which is what
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I really like about it. Like I said, outside of
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the random panda bear with the gester sat in the corner,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: but I'm actually I'm actually digging the mysticals as I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: like open them up, as I compare them to like
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: some of the other insert sets to here, so like
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: it starts the eighty nine's or like the Autumn Tails
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: and you know, just a few of those, I'm like, yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: those just weren't doing it for me. And I hit
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: the mysticals and I'm like, hey, these are kind of unique.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: This is actually kind of a a shnazzy. It's it's
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: like the Stars of MLB but better, okay type of thing.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm I was surprised. I was surprised because
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: if you look at it online, I see it looks
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: boring because you can't see the finish and the refraction
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: on it. So hold your judgment. I'll send you one
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: of these. We'll we'll have to go through. Come back
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: next week, or maybe get.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: You a little bit of these now. Yeah, some of
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the ones that weren't in like the kind of pr materials.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: It's least a Frank. That's that's also what I was
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: trying to hit on. It's kind Lisa Frank motif from
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: like the nineties, where yeah, if it does have the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: cool sparkle, then I could probably be on board with it.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: But did you Polly to let them cooks? And I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: did not. The most boring insert you've ever seen.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: It is an incredibly boring insert. I just sent you
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: a picture of the mysticals. I can see the finish
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: on it, but it's I didn't pully to let it cook.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think there was used to be
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: another insert back in the day that kind of reminded
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: me of and it was just but those ones do
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you just kind of look like, uh, what are you
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: trying to do here? It's just like you. It's just
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like you went into like word art and just put
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: some you know, little uh triangles or rectangles together, and
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: so what do we do? So that that's interesting. I
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: also I'm looking through mind like I don't see any
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: All Star game inserts, and so I need to go
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: back through my base cards and see if I miss
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: something there. But uh, considering those are like one in
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: three Hobby packs and I opened like twenty Hobby packs,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: so I that's what happens when you get an extra audit.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: They just skip everything else. But but yeah, I think
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: you'll be pleasantly surprised about Mystical let it cook was
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: probably a big, big miss to kind of slam their
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: hand with George Forward on that one. You got it?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, I'm glad that I got that out
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: of my system because I was, and I'm glad to
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: see those mystical cards don't suck quite as bad as
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: they looked at the promotional materials. But let's get into
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: some of the parallels that we have of those base
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty cards, So a lot of those
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: inserts too. They'll have like your classic kind of mini
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Rainbow Run, especially like a blue unnumbered parallel, and then
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: kind of get into some of our normal colors that
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: we expect like green, orange, red, black, so on and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: so forth. But there's so many inserts and stuff we
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: won't quite get into all those parallels. So we'll focus
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: more so here on the base set. So once again,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: they're bringing back the Golden Mirror SSPs. I think those
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: are probably here to stay that like I don't. They've
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: just been so popular and people love getting the super
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: short prints and image variations of each individual player, and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I think that they're great for people chasing a really
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: tough set to put together or looking for a little
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: variation in their overall sets, and especially if you're a
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: team collector, great way to get a team set together.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: So those are back again here, and especially that Paul
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Schemes one is going to be just like one of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the Chase cards, of the Chase cards that is especially
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: unnumbered out of this set. So goldimere SSPs are back.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: And then once again like we've had with series one,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Series two twenty twenty three update, they're rolling it back
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty four update in terms of the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: parallels that align with the season. So we've got fall
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Halloween again. So again we've got the just like twenty
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: twenty three, we've got you know, the jack o' lanterns
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of other cool parallels. So again I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: think that's probably here to stay. It seems popular enough
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and like people enjoy them out there. Honestly, one of
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the coolest ones I've seen has been the series two
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: waves one of one parallel from Otani that was on
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Reddit a couple like weeks ago, and especially given that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: like those waves had like a Japanese I'm trying to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: remember the Japanese artist, but you know what, I'm talking
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: about the classic kind of waves, ye motif it was.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful card. So this year they've got Mummy,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: which I think is going to be pretty sick, to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: go along with Witch's Hat and bats are one of one.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: They did screw this up last year if you remember that,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Like I think the numbering and the parallels that they
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: aligned on twenty twenty three update with like bats was
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: supposed to be I think one of one, but it
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: was of ten and.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: It was yes, But we haven't found that yet for
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: tops update this year. But we're only like twenty hours in.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. It was also funny. I was looking
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: at like our pod from this time last year when
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: we did Bom and Chrome and remember all those super
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: fractor issues. It's been funny that like that that happened.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I kind of missed that we had an update on
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: that every week, but I'm leading up to it. I'm
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: letting you do it this time. It is quite the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: list of parallels, especially because there's a lot of those
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Halloween ones, and I think they'll stand out once you
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: discuss each parallel. But I see you slipping the water,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I see you stretching the jaw I'll let you prep
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: before you get into this full list of all the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: parallels of Base twenty twenty four Tops Update. Let it rip.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be fun, This's gonna be tough. This
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: is a lot of responsibility. We'll see if I can
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: do it all. Right, Let's go through the perils of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: the base for twenty twenty four Tops Update. We have
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: your typical rainbow foils, you have your royal blues. You
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: have your gold rainbow foils only in jumbos. You have
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: your holidays only in your available in value packs, your
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: yellows and hangars only, your aqua and your Fanatics boxes only.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: You got your silver crackle foil board only in the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: super boxes, yellow rainbow foil and hangars, jack O lanterns
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: and ghosts in the value boxes. And now we get
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: into the standards. Maybe we have gold out of twenty
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: twenty four, we have blue hollow foil board, purple hollow
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: foil board, green crackle follow boil board, orange crackle foil board,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: red crackle foil board. None of those are numbered, by
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: the way, they're just harder and harder to find.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: That's also a change because usually orange, red, purple, blue
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: have been numbered.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you want to try to do the math,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: which I'm gonna try to just do at a high
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: level here. So we look at some of the odds
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: of other cards, you're gonna have to say that the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: red Crackle foil boards, probably out of one ninety nine
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: is my I guess, just not listed. The orange is
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: They are numbered the Beckett website. Okay, it doesn't have
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the number your standard, it's your stand Okay, numbered.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Good well, I was gonna have to guess all the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: way through two ninety nine, all the way up, and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I we'll see, we would have seen how bad I did.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I'm staring straight out of five hundred dollars, Paul Schemes,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Red crackled ninety four out of one ninety nine.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well Becket let me down, but we'll
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: continue on because we're not even close to done. Vintage
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: stock out of ninety nine years, Your Independence Day out
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: of seventy six, you guess your blacks out of seventy four,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Your Father's Day blue, your Mother's Day pink, both out
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of fifty You got your mummy variations only found in
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: val value box. Your yellow Crackle foil boards out of fifty,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: only found in hangars. Then you got your good old
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Memorial Day Camo out of twenty five, so it's gonna
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: be found in pretty much every product.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Then you get into the gimmicks. You got your black
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: cats out of ten, your clears out of ten, your
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Witch's hats out of five, and then you get your
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: bats out of one. I feel bad for the clear
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: acetates sit in the middle of that group. Then we
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: do have your the first card again that was a
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: little bit of a controversy with series one. The first
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: card one of one, the first one off the line,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: one of one. You have your platinum one on one,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: and then you have all of your good printing plate
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: one of ones across black, Cyan, magenta, and yellow. So
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: that is the list. There are just a few variations
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: of the cards. Guessing we probably have some more that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: we don't even know about this point, but quite a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: few good ones this time around.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's thirty two parallels, not including the each
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: individual like printing plate. That's a hell of a lot.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: So as we get into this like they seem to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: just be stuffing more and more in because part of it,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: too is it's seven holiday parallels this time around that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I think the Halloween ones were more popular. I don't
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: think it hurts that Jackson holidays in this product and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: is gonna look great in these cards.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Jackson Colton Cowser, Yeah, that's gonna be great.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: But like seven holiday parallels just for Halloween, Like, at
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: this point, just give me TOPS Halloween, man, Like, I'll
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: take TOPS Holiday.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: We had TOPS Holiday and Christmas was give me Tops Halloween.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Tops Halloween would look pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: like that would be a great set. But or yeah,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: even moved like the TOPS holiday stuff into like a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: quarterly release, and that'd be great because it is. That's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: where a lot of these parallels are coming from. Otherwise,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty i would say, standard set of what
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: we've been looking for. Get to enjoy the fun of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: trying to distinguish a yellow rainbow foil and a goat
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: gold rainbow foil on eBay or in the wild. That's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: impossible unless you've pulled them like that. That's confounding that
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: they go down well.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I love when we have like the red and the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: pinks that a basically the same.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where the colors blend together.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: But is this true red or just red?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know that is with all those different variations. Honestly,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: that's just shows you how many of these cards are
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: out in the wild. Considering you pulled one gold of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: twenty four in your entire hobby pack when obviously you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: like you said, like it was a little bit different.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe you like missed a color hit and got replaced
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: with your Harrison Beateer auto. But yeah, that is used
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to pull like multiple golds, multiple colors in your hobby boxes.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: That like, that's part of what happens when you have
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: three point four million base cards out there.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to the point, like as I look through what
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: I ended up pulling out of out of these, I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: got a Royal blue variation, I have two rainbow foil
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: variations and a gold out of twenty twenty four. Those
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: are the variations of like you know, to base cards
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: that I found out of how many packs are in
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: one of these twenty twenty packs, I believe in the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: hobby box, And so that's quite quite slim pickings. There
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: definitely all or nothing kind of strategy in the hobby boxes,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and Jombo's typically have a little bit better odds on
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: those types of things, but still I think it's gonna
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: have to be pretty pretty dicey on those as well.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so I think that that sums up
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: really like everything that we've got in this product. Like
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna start hitting some pretty significant cards
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: here over the past or the next couple of days,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: So I think we'll have more of that to cover
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: next week, especially as like some of these significant Paul
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Schemes cards start hitting. Like I said, do not also
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: do not buy any Paul Skames cards for a couple
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: of weeks. If you're out there in the market, let
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it settle a little bit, unless you're chasing something that's
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: like of twenty five or lower of Paul skins. Let
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: it settle a little bit, because this is going to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: be an extremely hot market, especially as we get into
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: like when baseball stops and like it just becomes the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: only way to engage with baseball is through baseball cards
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that you see another little bit of like a bump
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: in the market. Usually that wait a little bit for
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: it to settle, And that would be my one piece
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of advice if you're out there. Honestly, otherwise, it's not
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a bad product to open if you find value boxes.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: It's a big enough, good enough list of chase rookie
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: cards and thirty two parallels of each that like, you've
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: got a pretty decent shot at hitting something pretty decent
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: if you're ripping the wax. Compared to what we've gone
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: through over I would say the past few flagship releases.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I fully agree that. That's honestly why I was
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: willing to jump in and rip this one. Even with
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: the hobby Box. I couldn't. I couldn't pull the trigger
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: on the Jumbo seeing that my hobby shop had at
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: fifty dollars above what tops dot Com did, not counting
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: shipping and things like that. Right, But yeah, you're absolutely
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: right with them. The deep rookie checklist here, the number
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  Speaker 2: of big names, even though you are only pulling a
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  Speaker 2: few of the numbered colored cards here, there's there's a
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  Speaker 2: ton of variation, a ton of opportunities in there, and
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  Speaker 2: it just takes one big card to make the box
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  Speaker 2: worth it. Like I was looking at the Paul Skiings
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  Speaker 2: Golden Mirror that I was out on eBay listed for
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  Speaker 2: a pretty penny of three thousand dollars so far, so
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  Speaker 2: I would pulled off on that one if you're working
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  Speaker 2: through the full Golden mer set. But even like the
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  Speaker 2: first silver packed Skiing sold for like one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: thirty dollars, that'll come down fast that the next one
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  Speaker 2: sold for forty. So like there's some value in being
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  Speaker 2: the first first one out there because somebody just wants
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  Speaker 2: to have the card and be guaranteed that they got
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  Speaker 2: what they got. But product rip to your point, stay
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  Speaker 2: away from the skiings, stay away from your holidays, give
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  Speaker 2: them a little time to marinate, and then you'll you'll
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  Speaker 2: be hunting some dollar boxes for murky debuts in no time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I see that Skiing's Golden Mirror. It's a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful card. I will make sure to copy it and
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  Speaker 1: put it onto ras ball. Also, don't buy that one
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  Speaker 1: because the corners on the back are white as hell.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, yeah, if you do end up pulling
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  Speaker 1: any significant Paul Skins cards out there, certainly let us know.
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  Speaker 1: a very big fantasy episode for us here, but we
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  Speaker 1: will get further and further into cards as we get
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  Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into the winter. And yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: about you. But it's like prime withdrawal season of not
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: being able to find like set your fantasy lineups. So
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: it still getting out of that process. It's it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be sad once we're out of baseball here in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're coming right to that timeframe, which is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: like the worst two weeks of the year of like
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  Speaker 2: after all your weird offseason fantasy depends on what leagues
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  Speaker 2: you play in or are working through arbitrations and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: or your World series, and it's like two weeks before
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  Speaker 2: you can actually trade and things like that because you
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  Speaker 2: want all the dust to settle, and then everyone's just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: picking options, like that's just the dead zone. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: be talking about cards during that time because we got
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  Speaker 2: to keep ourselves steady. But there'll be some fun times
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  Speaker 2: ahead as we get into the off season here. Sure
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  Speaker 2: we'll be doing some predictions, some fun picks and jumping
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  Speaker 2: ahead looking at what next year is gonna look like
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  Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty five fantasy season.
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  Speaker 1: As well exactly. And we haven't missed anything in the
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  Speaker 1: baseball game. It's still two nothing in the sixth inning,
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  Speaker 1: So let's get to of this hopefully we can see
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  Speaker 1: some runs and I enjoy the rest of this evening
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  Speaker 1: and this NLCS Game three. So thanks everybody for checking
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